Is The TEKKEN TEAM's Apology Enough?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ต.ค. 2024
- Well, this might be a first for Bandai Namco & The Tekken Team but is it enough?
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Apologizing because you got caught means f*ck all in the real world. If everyone happily bought the stage for five bucks, they'd be charging ten for the next one. Keep in mind that as of now, all we have are words yet to be delivered on.
The only proper voice of reason in the tekken community!
I bet I'm not the only who wants your reaction video about what's going on. 😅
True, but I do think at the very least I do think a company or a large personality addressing it means something because plenty don't. That said, I agree with your sentiments. They'll keep pushing and pushing as much as they can. Looking forward to your video if you make one on it, bro 👏🏾
@@RealMikeHollow 2-d stages is still missing,player base is diminishing gradually,bandai namco communication is mediocre,reviews are still mixed,the companies are solely more on mobile which is shambolic.
It seems to me that Harada or someone else is doing what is possible to not just turn Tekken into a cash grab. If that's the case we should recognize that this was made in good faith and accept that it was a good move instead of bitching and feeling we're entitled to free content forever. What incentive will Harada have to keep doing what he can to preserve Tekken's player base if he has to fight people above him in the company AND the people he's "fighting for"? That's the industry standard unfortunately, microtransactions are here to stay.
“Highly recommended NOT watching it” lol
It’s only a fake apology because of the bad word of mouth now being prevalent online and people not buying the stage.
So no it’s not enough.
A real apology they can make and that we can receive is when we don’t have to constantly remind them how bad and predatory their practices are at every update and they start doing the right things on their own. Until then, non apology NOT received.
That apology DON'T MEAN SHI- cuz at the end of the day its just words and they still got your money. if they hadnt said anything that wouldnt stop the next tekken game from from selling just as much. public discourse barely affects their bottom dollar. remember they're not a friend trying rectify a mistake against you, they're a salesman who will say/do whatever to stay in your wallet.
Thanks for the quick Smile 2 review lmao
Tryna save people two hours of tomfoolery 😂
@RealMikeHollow such a shame cuz I thought the first one was surprisingly solid smh
I saw the apology last night.
Frankly, I think it is a good gesture and them trying to reclaim their audience. Harada hasn't really been enjoying his new position as a company head and many of the decisions being made are ones he seemingly just has to roll with regardless of how much he dislikes them. These are just observations, but after Blue Protocol and now Unknown 9 looking like a total flop in waiting (that's what you get for working with a DEI consulting firm), it feels like Bandai has just lost a ton of money recently and the brunt of helping cope with that seems to have fallen on Harada's shoulders.
Make no mistake, the bad business decisions with Tekken are a direct result of their other failures. They just realized the strategy isn't working and is pushing away yet ANOTHER audience.
We don't know how earnest they are being yet; actions speak louder than words. But what we do know is that they at least are aware of how unhappy fans are and are going to be doing SOMETHING to try and curb the backlash.
Personally, I am inclined to believe that things will get better purely because they are doing the right thing and downsizing their studio; forcing oldschool layoff tactics where they put problem employees on the opposite side of the building in a small room until they quit. The corrective measures are already taking place, now only time will tell if they have learned the right lessons.
Easily led
@@yungslack7311 How exactly am I being "easily led" when I'm literally telling people to "Wait and watch"?
I've done nothing but thrash Tekken for the last year or so and have gone on record to disagree with most of what they've done with the game.
@@yungslack7311How can you see this
Then proceed to say "Easily Led"
Yall are sad
Tekken is the only IP Bamco has that is doing any kind of positive business right now (Did they publish or have involvement in Sparking Zero? If so, then that too). If their marketing team/suits/whoever responsible for the monetization of Tekken right now had any kind of sense, they would do what it takes to not mess it up.
If it was up to me, I'd look at how much Tekken 7 made and just keep doing that. Why 'modernize' if there's no reason to? (Rhetorical question, it's because the people high up can't help themselves.)
@Impalingthorn The letting go of employees has nothing to do with their capabilities but rather a dire need to save money. Don't relate that to Tekken and it being a way to make the game better because it is not true at all.
Spoiler alert, no apology for anything in the world is enough on its own. It needs to be followed up by action and until the action is shown, then no of course it’s not enough. Anyone can say anything and then immediately go back to acting adversely against it
True, but an apology is still an acknowledgment of your wrongdoing, and in this case an offer was made to compensate for the damages.
Responding negatively to someone trying to apologize and make it up to you is not a good incentive to ever do it again. I understand still being silently wary, but if the community can't accept this apology and move on, then they shouldn't be surprised when BNE says "well screw you too".
Companies think 3 steps ahead, they anticipated criticism and had this as a "sorry" gift in advance. Don't get soft now guys, this is business, never forget that. They just wanted to try us just to see if we would let it ride. That's business and how to make money.
The only thing this does is shift blame to consumers to start infighting between those who forgive and those who know business. These monetization policies are in design from day 1.
@MacTonight-i9v they absolutely were just testing the waters, they probably had that "apology" planned before the game even dropped, they have a whole team who study this stuff, there is no way they "just thought it was ok and wouldn't be a big deal but now see the error in our thinking" lol
Tekken is a bad spot right now (in my opinion). Sf6 just dominating Japan market and over shadow tekken 8.
With how greedy namco is. It's not good for tekken , and hope is not end like soul calibur .
The gameplay is also not great
I believe the apology is acceptable (in my opinion), at least just "Now" they mentioned that stage is included into the Ultimate edition then later will be separate price with character pass. That is 100% fair, but now We are back to the point with the game still having resource leakage issue (sometime causing Fatal issue crash, which We often see in Tekken 7. I don't know why but other game that is also using Unreal Engine just doing fine though so they need to do something with it as fast as they could cuz imagine they apply the ranked point reduction from disconnection and still there is crash issue), also balancing and netcode issue (I just hope at least... the very least Season 2 will be actual legit "server based", the netcode probably is good but due to it is Peer to Peer like, no matter what they do that will never solve anything if we stay with Peer to Peer system and online will always feel terrible + people always be able to abuse it)
I prefer wait for their actions not their words.
It's good enough but I'm not touching the game till season 2 changes.
The apology is less than nothing. If you tell me I'm going to get a handout of your stinky virtual currency if I log in at a certain time, I definitely won't be logging in at that time. I don't want any.
Just another attempt to push the store, dressed in the clothing of an apology.
It seems fitting, in a way - I bought every piece of content for Tekken 7 just because I loved the game and wanted to support it. This is precisely the reward I should have expected.
@@NovusNiveus preach!
it’s free coins bro it doesn’t push the shop. they are literally giving you the chance to get a skin you might’ve wanted (but didn’t want to support this business decision) for free
I think it’s a good apology as long as they offer a year map pass in some form, surprising people with something they have to buy to practice on if they want to have no disadvantage is bad practice in a genre known for its competitiveness. I’m very happy to pay if they are open about it
I see this parroted alot, but Gemaji is the same exact layout as the Arena stage. You can have issues with monetization, but don't use this point
@@Boy-zy4gz thats a fair point but if they released a stage later on in the year with a different layout it would be an issue, the main issue is disappointing people through sneaky wording
I guess it's better than nothing on what they did, so give them some credit. Hopefully, piece by piece will be a better movie seeing that with my bros.
Now Mike, I don't like to spend money just as much as the next one, but this apology, shouldn't be there at all. I've got the Collector's Edition, just like you, that comes with the Ultimate Edition of the game, and in the back it reads: "Year 1 Pass of Playable Characters - 4 Additional Playable Characters", plus all the other additional stuff. It's very specific in the wording. There's nothing about extra stages, costumes, story DLC's, nada... I was actually surprised when the "Beachside Resort" was given for free. I mean, they're basically saying "We apologise because you guys can't read". And the people complaining are obviously the type of people that complain about shitty work conditions after signing a contract that specifies those said conditions. You can criticise the pricing, that's one thing, but criticising the "lack of information" is disingenuous. And for the people complaining about "not being able to lab the stage without buying it", well, learn your game, 'cause the Genmaji Stage has the exact same measurements and shape of the Arena Stage. I get it, and I also don't want to spend any additional money, but I also don't want to go back to the days of T6 and TTT2, when there was no support, simply 'cause there was no monetization.
The problem i have is them putting out a season pass then putting out content during the season that is not covered by the pass. This is what makes it feel so much like nickel and dime-ing. I dont hold this against Harada. I agree he just seems to want to put out the best game he can. I feel like this is completely on the suits at Bamco.
Harada is no saint, he recently lied about the article that exposed Bamco and the Tekken team for working with a Western consultant company, the kind that tells devs what is ok and what must be censored or changed for the modern audience.
Let’s see, this video has a mini review on “Smile 2”☹️, an apology I didn’t even kno existed and small reason to come back to play Tekken, and the normal Greetings that ur known for.👏👏 W video
I hard disagree with everyone saying the apology means nothing. It means something, not much but something. An apology is an acknowledgement of wrongdoing and a promise to be better and not to repeat the offense going forward. What they do in the future will determine if they earn(ed) their good will back. I do mean earn back good will by the way, just because I recognize they apologized doesn't mean they are back in my good graces but it's a good start. It takes years to build a good reputation but only a few moments for it to burn it up. Framewhisperer is right if everyone happily bought the stage for $5 they'd continue pushing how much further they can get away with but one major caveat I think Framewhisperer and I hard disagree on is I think it's a two way street between the companies and us the consumers. BN could only do that if we happily bought it as FW says himself, it's partially our fault as consumers buying cruddy or overpriced products. We obviously didn't here but we need stay smart as consumers and keep demanding better from BN, complacency is all evil and predatory business actions need to win at the end of the day.
Steam "fixing" the reviews on T8 I have mixed feelings on honestly. I can see where they are coming from but on the same token these "review bombs" are legitimate criticism that have to do with the game. I think the primary reason why removed criticisms regarding the Genmaji stage is Steam has the stage listed as DLC store page so you should be review bombing the Genmaji store page specifically and not the whole game which I think is actually some what of a fair point in this case.
I think this is a very good compromise.
The ideal thing would be to make the Stage free and refund the people that bought it .. . That being said, I understand that organising that over 3 platforms would be alot of faff and probably open to abuse from hackers.
So giving the equivilant in Tekken Coins to everyone is the next best thing imo.
The only thing that I would add...... would be to put the Stage in the Tekken Shop so the free coins can be used to buy it rather than still having to use real money.
Let's face it there is no competative reason to buy the stage as it is the same footprint as Area (I think)
And these gifted coins can be used to buy the shite battle pass premium track that will give the coins back for the next one..... so they are effectively giving the Premium track to everyone for free.
I like the response. Much like with NRS, the huge backlash adjusted their price gouging to be more fair. The holiday fatalities became a pack instead of 10 bucks individually. They also gave out a bunch of free skins and dropped the price of the premium skins from 10 to 5 bucks. In my opinion, it should always have been content included with the Kombat pack, but it's still a small win when they adjusted the price. I feel the same way about TEKKEN 8. The fact that they apologized and are offering a bunch of free content means they are concerned about what the community thinks about the game. I still think the fight pass is fucking stupid, fix that crap already.
HARADA IS GOD
I see everyone in the tekken community fucking around talking about any topic but the balance of the game.
The truth is people could put up with the tekken team bullshit if the game was actually enjoyable
Yeah, that's basically what I eluded to at the end of the video.
This 💯!
Its bandai almost unhinged like Nintendo.
Ya never go full Nintendo.
I'm interested to see what they will do next
This is a step in the right direction and like you were saying they have to do something with the next DLC that takes peoples minds off of all the controversy
People are babies. This is a perfectly good start to an apology. If the coins they give away 4 to 5 dollars worth, plus they are giving us a free stage, you multiply that by millions of people bought into the game, that’s a huge amount of potentially lost money because they changed their business strategy according to consumer sentiment. We still have to wait to see how they behave in the future, but this is an excellent start. They made a huge mistake, but this shows that they are attempting to restore good faith, and the rest will show us in time. Some people just never be happy with anything anyways.
Well said.
I truly don't care. Then giving us tekken coins when the stage requires real money not tekken coins is pretty annoying. These full price games have the worst live service models smh
How would you rather they do it? Would you like to give them access to your bank account or credit card so they can process a refund over the next few years?
I’m not really invested in the Tekken drama like that because I don’t play the game enough, but honestly, I don’t see how anybody except this apology because it took them like two weeks to do it. The only way I see acceptable if they’re more transparent in the future, their apology means nothing if they continue to go about the way they have been. Now with that said sparkling zero should be fighting game of the year. I can’t even argue. It should be game of the year, but due to hating on anime games particularly arena fighters they’ll hate all sparking zero at the game awards.
I was reading this this morning.
The thing I couldn't work out is if you get the Tekken coins can you use them for the stage?
I imagine so. I think it works out so you can just purchase the stage using them.
As of now, you can't purchase characters or stages with tekken coins.
@@Youthfullegendwell it's a bit of a back hander then IMO.
So get five dollars worth of costumes you don't want just to rip five dollars for the stage.
with most peoples opinion in mind, i believe the main things they could do to revive the game:
- Remove heat, can keep rage
- Buff and promote defence, nerf aggression
- Put the prices of Tekken shop lower, or add them into the pass (current items are subpar
- Punish pluggers atleast, Demote after a plug
- remove the win or loss bonus shtick
- All characters should be unlockable (like every other Tekken before 7)
- All stages should be free or unlockable (why not use the in game currency?) (not fair for people who dont have it to play on it in ranked especially)
- Implement In game currency more (all the customization in the shop or for other items like characters or stages)
- Best of three games should be mandatory, if you leave then your points are gone)
Not enough.
I got tekken base price edition so I knew what to expect since miguel isnt in tekken 8 (probably coming as a dlc) because when I got the ultimate edition for tekken 7 I got characters I don't care about except 1 and I got alot of cool maps.. I decided to go cheap and see what the character dlc looks like before I make a big purchase like that again and boy im so glad i avoided the higher tier edition 😂 but I felt bad for Pass owners because they legitimately bought the high tier edition expecting to get all the goodies we got with on previous tekken but what ended up happening is they have to pay for stages and other crazy monetization practice while already just purchasing the ultimate edition .. im just glad i didnt pay for high tier edition because the dlc has been a** and the dlc character season 1 pass is characters we already had in previous tekken games like what ?lol, like bruh give me back miguel and i will happliy give you cash for my previous main i don't care about eddy Lidia or heihachi bruh but at the same time it does feel like tekken with his return tho ❤
I feel like every apology is fake if this is the metric we use to judge them. Idk
Possibly. I certainly think it's souless coming from the company itself, but I imagine the Tekken Team probably cares on some level. At least some of them anyway.
It's quite great they have apologized. Going out of their way especially Harada to communicate with the audience. Like I've said before, The faults are on the Publisher rather than developers. I'd say your approach to playing once a week is good for keeping your mind at ease. Not to mention. We got SPARKING ZERO right now so sweet. The whole GENMANJI TEMPLE thing never really bothered me. Especially with the Tourni Ban controversy being Much worse. Overall this is a nice W for Tekken.
I found the best way to deal with situations like this is to delete the game, and play a better game. I figured Smile 2 would be garbonzo beans
For me it’s a decent apology. And, at least they’re telling us now that the next dlc that’s coming, season pass owners will get the next stage for free. I mean wasn’t a season pass owner so I had to buy the stage separately anyway. But I agreed that those who did purchase the season pass should’ve gotten it free of charge, or it should’ve been a free update like the previous stage. But, I consider this fine because at least they’re acknowledging they screwed this up. I just hope this isn’t one step forward, two steps back.
Anyone remember that South Park episode about BP? "Sorry. We're sorry. Sorry".
speaking of movies, Transformers One is the best movie i’ve seen this year and i’ve been going to the cinema very often recently.
When it comes to the store, I'm of the opinion that any game with a store that allows you to buy items ONLY with their own in-game currency should be illegal because 9/10 times it is a blatant scam. An example being a skin could cost 600 coins but you are only allowed to by 500 coins or 1000 coins, so something that should be $6 is actually $10.
Great video Mike! Hope ur doing well too long time no see!!
I think this Tekken situation is really… something. I still love Tekken but I’ve been so uninterested in this game and every time I hear about it, it just gets worse and worse. Dare I even say.. worse than MK1?
I’m glad they actually acknowledged & apologised to us. That’s good. But I’m just a little confused why they didn’t just give the stage? It’s no big deal, I mean this is the same company that charged for frame data in Tekken 7 😭 idrc for the stage at all but giving us 500 coins (which is more than the stage) feels weird & I also never remember seeing that the stage(s) would be a separate purchase.. but again not surprised given bamcos track record.
I think Tekken 8s future will be very interesting, I don’t think the games over.. definitely not but the next character & next season needs to be a hit with no issues like this because this isn’t even the first time they’ve had this issue with Tekken 8 & ridiculous monetisation issues etc. We’re not even a year into Tekken 8 either.. but I’m not giving up despite how rocky it is, I just hope we get some good characters soon like Eliza, Anna, Armour King, Kuni & Mokujin, if we get any of these & I won’t be complaining personally.
But yeh.. this is a very interesting dilemma that Tekken is in. I do hope they can resolve it quick but I also need them to address the game issues too.. I don’t gel w/ this game too much either.
Anyways great video Mike!! Hope u have a wonderful day!! 🙏
what do you think needs to change in tekken to make S2 better? The balancing? changes to the heat system?
Balancing. I’m pretty sure you can’t patch an entire mechanic like heat in a post-production already made game. They need to tone down Jin, Asuka, and Reina(basically the main characters, obviously why they’re OP) because all they do is steal your turns.
I don’t give a shit about bitching and whining about a $5 dollar stage lol people waste 10 times that amount on doordash, Junk food, one night dinners, alcohol, but nooooo not $5 🤬. All jokes aside, i’d be upset too if i paid $100+ for a game and still had to pay for extra content, that’s why i buy the BASE GAME.
I do love the music theme of the Tekken Shop. Sounds like Pharrell n the Neptunes helped produce it.
Regardless of what kind of stuff Bamco is doing behind the scenes. This news in the apology is a step in the right direction. It probably wouldn’t have happened if the community wasn’t this vocal.
As someone who started watching rooflemonger when DBFZ released, its sad to see that he became a bottom tier ragebaiter for the sake of engagement. Really not my cup of tea when someone starts focusing on things he dislikes instead of focusing on what he and other people likes. Not talking about valid criticism, because what he does with everything nowadays is not even criticism.
Yeah, he's a weirdo dude. Honestly I think having a large subscriber base went to his head.
So the same as this account?
@@Invader.Xim. yes.
no, plus all the stages where planned to be sold separetely now we know it for sure since it's mentioned as the big deal for this apology, so at this point why was the lidia free for everyone?(probably same mechanism as drug dealers, the first is free so then you'll engage with the rest of the microtransaction) and also the "refund" of 500 coins is just laughable, they are giving you some fake money to spend on pixels(again just so you can start engaging with the mtx bullshit and get in the cycle if you didn't before) when you already spent real world dollary doos to buy the heihachi stage, this is the game industry nowadays
In my view the problem here is not the genmaji stage. That is only a symptom of the larger issue of the audience not feeling like they are being heard. Instead of this apology that kind of misses the point, I think the audience would rather see the issues with the game fixed and for the bait and switch monetization to stop.
All this hooplah over a $5 stage is crazy. You guys a dragggggggiiing it now
The Tekken dev team seem to be in a constant dance with the player base, being pushed and pulled by Bamco and the players. Constantly stepping forwards and backwards and stepping on the players toes!
I too have dropped my playtime and I mostly play only a handful of games a week to keep up with the (awful) battle pass.
I'm a tekken noob but I appreciate all the info you post to bring me up to speed 👊
Happy to help, sir ☝🏾
I would say this was a fake apology because they got caught and they're still gonna penny pinch
but honestly I didn't think they'd come out with anything, let alone actually making changes
it would be cool if the stage was free from the start but people have paid for it already, probably not that many but some have, so I think this is probably the most reasonable thing they could have done, which is some form of refund in a way that isn't going to require a bunch of long support email chains
and they mentioned the future stage is going to come with the pass, that's honestly all I can reasonably ask for
if they do pull this in season 2, I'm hoping they put the stages inside the same pass, if not a slightly different pass, just because I don't like the idea of buying everything separately
so yeah this was enough for me to buy the stage, what does make me happy is that the community actually voted with their wallets for once, because this probably wouldn't have happened if the stage sold well, even if there was backlash
Couple of thoughts on this: The apology is better than nothing & I accept it, I'm starting to lose respect for Rooflemonger now, imo SF hasn't had the consistent level of quality that Tekken's had, the only thing I'd say is there shouldn't be an offer period for the Tekken coins & I think the gift should just be given whenever you log in. In general though, my problem with Tekken 8 is just the overall direction with its gameplay so I'm deffo looking for more changes to the game to help me come back to it, I'm deffo keeping my eye on the last Season 1 character & Season 2 to see if anything changes & they can bring me back! Side note: I'm so happy I didn't watch Joker 2 & saved my money, as a fan of the original 2019 Joker film, the sequel just doesn't exist to me! :)
I'd say be very careful putting your heroes on a pedestal. Otherwise, you may find yourself feeling crushed if/when you find out Harada could give two craps on his way to the bank because he knows the people complaining are going to keep giving him money anyway.
Didn't think I would get a Smile 2 review, appreciate the bluntness 🤣.
It is a start but it seems the focus is still more on monetization/greed than gameplay. While it somewhat addresses the Genmaji controversy it seems that they are going to charge separately for stages going forward? It is sad that a season pass doesn't mean exactly that anymore. At the end of the day though I think it doesn't address the more important issues that would gain player retention:
Frankly the online sucks. If Bamco do not do something substantive to deal with the toilet that is ranked mode they are going to lose players. Due to their inaction of dealing with cheaters it practically promotes it. Why is anyone coming out behind in points if they lose the first game and come back and win the 2 remaining for the set?
Bamco claims to care about competitive integrity but you wouldn't know it with their focus on greed over gameplay. The balance is iffy at best considering what the top 3 characters get away with compared to the rest of the cast. Claim to want it to be good for spectators but how many Dragunov mirror matches did we have to sit through in finals 😅. Also why isn't the Tekken World Tour an actual World Tour, let everyone play!!!
Where are other single player modes like team battle, time attack, survival, tournament and treasure mode?
At the end of the day they are at least acknowledging us. I still think it is far from enough and if online and monetization stays the same or gets worse it will be bad. I hope that I am wrong and going forward they do better.
Hope you are correct in the direction of T8 🙏
I moved on from the fact that the stage was paid the moment I knew it wasn't free. But yet I wasn't really expecting any compensation. So I will gladly take those sweet 500 coins
I could care less about DLC pricing and all that jazz, it won't affect my opinion of the game. I think its a nice gesture to include the winter stage as part of the pass and give the Genmaji stage value in coins as it would be too complicated to refund players that bought it across all the platforms.
I only care about the TWT still being ineligible for participation for residents of Russia, Venezeula, Iran, Balkan regions, and several other countries for no justified reasoning. The only change in the rules is that China got added as a 16th eligible region for the LCQ and global finals. There is no reason a person should ever be barred from competition if they are able to travel to any TWT event, and as such they should lose the right to call themselves a "World" tour. It is only because of this reasoning that I currently view Tekken 8 under a negative light.
I really do wonder though. What pushed the idea of battle passes and other “unneeded” additions into the game that has a likelihood of being either ignored or frowned upon, in a Tekken game no less. They say wanted casuals, newcomers, the new generation to come and play the game, and what they did to do that is questionable at best. Those who play the game would likely have a list of reasons to what and why.
Frankly, that can happen in just about naturally without doing much and let the algorithm do its thing. I’m pretty damn certain they know it and yet they do this. This type of stuff, the battle passes and skins specifically, are quite common in gachas and mobas, and that is not like the main appeal to the casuals or outsiders and a reason why most games implemented it in the first place.
Do they really think this sort of stuff is a magnet for casuals and normies alike? I really don’t think so. This is a side-grade, an optional reward that can be obtained if you want to or not. It is limited but it is up to the player whether they want it or not.
In a game like Tekken or a game that doesn’t do this on record is practically unheard of. Why do this now? It would’ve been fine if the stuff ain’t bad, but, nonetheless it is what it is I suppose. To be honest, this is like the first time to me to see a battle pass mentioned this much. In gacha and mobas, people wouldn’t a make fuss too much on it ‘cause it is quite common and the rewards in those passes are typically good.
Honestly I appreciate the apology considering the fact that not a lot of developers are apologizing and making it up to the fans I'll cut them some slack compared to the rest of the community.
Didn’t sparking zero get an ultimate edition but it’s ultimate content was like a shenron summon or something like that and maybe cosmetics? I don’t think “ultimate” means much for Bamco anymore
Yeah, it was those things and the season pass and I think some merch things like a figurine of Broly and Goku.
They also make you pay for 2 terrible anime music pack no matter what edition of the game you buy
@@Crimsongz oh yeah. And in all the Bamco Gundam and DBZ games I’ve played, music packs disable console recording my functionality so that you can’t record these anime tv sized versions of songs… when you can just as easily find any version online
I think that dbz sparking zero is partially to thank for this. Thanks to that game being a huge success, we might actually see things finally take a turn for the best.
I dunno, man. They just cancelled a bunch of anime games. Not entirely sure why but I wouldn't get my hopes up
I’m not using a single tekken coin they give me. Not paying for a single character. Not going into custom, not going into shop or battle pass. If I could return the base game I would. Stand your ground.
Nah, they're just setting up "stages not included" for season 2.
Bamco are in a lot of financial trouble as it is.
I watched the first Smile movie. Pretty solid horror thriller until they cranked out a silly CGI monster. I might be a minority but I would have preferred they left it interpretive. Like that woman at the beginning? The possibilities swirled in my head at what she may have been looking at that made her have a meltdown. Like Joker, it sounds like Smile caught the bug going around. The one spread by movies that had zero need for a sequel.
I actually didn't mind it being a supernatural being and I like how things escalated in the first one all the way up to the conclusion, but the second one took that and dashed it on the floor 😂
Imene I don't know what these guys expected. I think this is a perfect compensation amount. They already made the mistake of making people pay for the stage. They can't just make the stage free when people already payed for it
You could deduce how Smile 2 was gonna end when you saw that she's an international pop star in the trailer.
Pornos are less predictable.
As for the Tekken debacle, bring on Virtua Fighter!
I swear that everything we're seeing is due to their being no rival 3D fighter.
Monopolies are bad for the FGC.
Developers start taking liberties when there's no competitor.
A new Virtua Fighter would be very welcomed right about now. Hopefully no weird anime looking mechanics and just straight hands.
I think this was the doing of harada. I KNOW that he is passionate about this game and its community and is probably heartbroken when things aren't going right. Screw namco, I look at this apology as something from Harada, not namco.
Daily reminder that it's okay to bully companies and corporate accounts.
The apology I want is fixing the dam game by changing the whole system and characters. Tekken must be balanced and if this keeps going people won't play the game.
Not gonna happen, games arent perfect.
The funny thing though i would say "balancing" often stops people from comitting to fighting games too.
@@CyrusIsnt At least fix the damn rage quitting.
I'll be honest,I have this typical question "Are you sorry because what you did is bad or because you got caught?". Sure,them addressing this is already better than many companies doing nothing or even taunting their fanbase,but let's not forget deleted Harada tweets,so the final say is obviously not up to Tekken team,which makes this apology sound all the more unconvincing.
You can use my gameplay I post all my vods . Free of charge. Just know I’m not a pro lol
That apology ain’t mean a damn thing!! We gotta keep our foots on their necks for even more accountability and BETTER shit 🙄🙄🙄
I'm calling it now, it's going to be a 1 step forward, 2 steps back situation. I mean it already is but it'll be a cycle, not looking to season 2.
Fool me once, fool me twice.
Im just soo damb sick and tiyerd of paying for a session pass and 1 thay just add caricters that has bin in every other tekken game ever made and 2 them not adding all dlc into the session pass like lvls should allways be included in a session pass its just pure greed im soo fed up with being milked dry by these companies
Short answer: No
Long answer: you only care cuz you got shit, they were testing the waters, if there hadnt been an uproar it would have been full steam ahead on the SS Fleece the Playerbase
Bro Phidx and his fans are such shills
Why? What happened?
Brother Mike how are you?
I hope people who sugarcoats this game will wake up soon. The reason they apologized is because Tekken 8 is in a bad spot right now. Remember the time they did a lot of marketing and telling lies before launch, this is also the same thing right now. They are gaslighting themselves to make players comeback to them then do some stupid things again. Never trust Namco on what they're saying, especially Harada with a mental disorder.
>> likes telling lies
>> Argues back to fans
>> very defensive and talks a lot just to get attention
>> Loves to take someones credit (Like saying he achieved or invented something, he's not actually who did it but someone else)
They're trying to do the right thing, let them and move on. We all love Tekken at the end of the day.
Tekken 7 they complained bc there was too many timeouts, I’ve rarely seen a timeout in tekken 8. Def took it way too much to the extreme
Hey Mike, what’s your opinion on Bandai Namco trying to pressure their staff to leave? It’s gotten so bad over there.
Laws in Japan are different so firing/laying off is not that straight forward.
The issue with that we do not have context either. If a team if finished with the release of a game, you honestly do not need the whole team after launch most of the time.
Some of these teams should be for a limited time no need to bleed money.
I gave my opinion half way through the video, broski ☝🏾
@@CyrusIsnt Precisely. I'm glad Mike didn't go into detail about it; it's hardly our place as commoners in the west to criticize Japan's employment practices. A large portion of the people here can't even afford a LAN cable, yet want to have a say on a large company's staffing decisions.
@@Shade84 Dude the stuff is laughable at times. People are just trying to gas outrage. X team was cut down after the release of this game. Because it was finished...
Theses studios been spending too much over these years. You dont need huge teams if nothing is coming out.
Out jobs hire season crew members during a busy period.
@@Shade84 making their employees suffer just to keep their job is fcked up bro.
Idc if i dont live there, if its wrong and i see it, imma say it. Stop tryna gaslight people into thinking they wrong about seeing sumn thats wrong.
Nah see how easy it was to add the stages to the pass, almost like they should have done it from the start but they were 100% content on draining money from the players. This doesnt improve my preception of them. Ill need to see Season 2 first, because its still the same Bandai that crammed in a store with lazy costume ports, on top of separate stage dlc
People complain too much. They make an error people complain, they tried to salvage the situation and people still complain😭
So you're satisfied with that apology? Cause I sure as hell am not.
@@Robotlien I personally don’t care either way but at least they’re doing something instead of leaving the situation as is. It shows that they’re taking what the community says into consideration.
@@Robotlien You're not because you want to see how far you can push to get more out of BNE for free.
People like you are exactly the same as what you're accusing Bandai Namco of being.
Just to comment on Smile because I'm kinda interested in that franchise cause I like the genre and wanted to ask:
Did you like Smile 1, do you think Smile 2 was at least better? Haven't watched yet
Smile 1 was very good. Smile 2 just rehashed it and didn't try anything new and relied heavily on jump scares. The lead actress was good but the script was lacking and the ending was lame as Hell.
@RealMikeHollow Ah okay, thank you Mike
Misunderstanding from the devs? No no it’s the fans who tripped out this time and unnecessarily pressured the devs about content that was never promised to them to begin with lol
In giving us the story and the other map free they have already exceeded expectations with content , to charge 5$ for the map instead of charging us 15-25$ for the story stuff seems like a clever way for the devs to please fans while appeasing Bandai Namco I do think fans just failed to see that and overreacted cuz they can and the internet outcry if enough ppl pile on will cause devs to take notice even if unwarranted smh
I said it myself, it isn't enough.
Free coins for me so I can't be upset. I know some people are still fuming but I can't really fathom being that upset.
I'm glad my PC can't run the game smoothly. Otherwise, I would have bought and regretted it. It's not fun for me to watch matches, either. I'm positive it would have become a big regret.
I only liked the first half of the first smile movie I felt like when the demon revealed itself everything fell off a cliff. I’m going to watch smile 2 anyway I have a AMC A-List stud membership where I can watch 3 movies a week for free($20 a month membership which sees a lot of money if you go to the movies a lot). Terrifier 3 is the horror movie. Everybody should watch. I think it’s horror movie of the year.
You don't have to blame SF6 to make T8 seems bad, its not the same genre, one is 2D, one is 3D, and Tekken doesn't have competition on 3D, SF6 does have a lot on 2D... Capcom doing great because they had to make a good game. So i think Namco are the real culprit here because they are alone and want to force player to accept T8 like it is, which is bad (right now, maybe it will change later)
Hey, I might only have 4 characters to choose from in the demo still but guess what? No tekken shop 😎😎😎
Mike, am curious about your thoughts on tekken team expenses a bit of pocket watching.
Harada_TEKKEN has previously tweeted that a stage costs around $350k to make
Thats likely 4-5x starting salary of their employees for 1 stage 😬 and dont they change character each game a bit? If we consider writing voice acting even before tournament costs.
It just sounds like tekken team spends way more then they probably need to.
I bring this up because they seem to be the only bandai game this aggressive with microtransactions
It's hard to comment on that without seeing proof that it costs that much. $350k for one stage seems absolutely absurd and I struggle to believe it.
@@RealMikeHollow same like if its true and is western currency i am lost. "Who greenlit this??" If he was talking about yen its only 2k-3k which is really good.
I wont buy another tI won't buy another Tekken game, that's for sure. Sparking Zero showed us how a game can have a bunch of features, characters, etc. while being profitable without horrid monetization.
Bro sparking zero ranked is unplayable: in 1v1 they all get fusions, while in DP battle they use trunks and goten that are cheap, and when they are about to die, they fuse them and u punched a sandbag for 5 minutes for nothing, because they health when fused go to the max amount possible as if it was a new character. People exploit on exploit on exploit as much as they can, and what are the other characters? C19 and Dr. Gero because of the bs life/kisteal grab
It's definitely not unplayable. I'm using Super Perfect Cell and Hit or Buuhan and Jiren and I've almost hit A ranks. There are a lot of cheap things going on but the game offers enough to get around most of it. The biggest problem is Yajirobe and his infinite Senzu beans.
@@RealMikeHollow not unplayable but find someone as strong as you are and it will come down to who's playing the dirtiest with cheap tactics
Hey atleast you guys got someone that cares a bit about the community, NRShit didn’t give a fuck about their lack of passion for the game, and still acts like nothing happened, yes mk1 got a tiny bit better but nothing significant
Can i buy the stage with the Tekken coins? Because if you cant this is just a shitty tactic to make you interact with the Tekken shop.
Nope only purchased with real money😊
@Diu1999 They trying to make me interact witht the shop. What a bag of cunts.
Yoo mike you just casually did a review dump on smile2 lol. I had low hopes for that movie since 1 was great and didnt require a sequel.
😂😂 yeah, tried to save everyone some money. It is not worth it at all.
They could give me all the dlcs for free now and i wouldnt come back. the game burned me out in LESS than a year!! no game has ever accomplished that.
When next stream
@@Fofoffoofofofofoo Sunday 3pm UK time.
Thank you
Nice now I can get a free bikini for the waifus🗣️🗣️🔥
All jokes aside, this whole situation is stupid and could’ve been avoided easily. I’m more concerned about the balancing of this game ngl, its in shambles rn😭
Is it going to offer a season pass then you better offer a character a stage and a costume that is what I paid for not just for characters and then I have to buy stages separately...? No no thank you that's why I haven't brought any of their battle passes I refuse or stages nope.
So should a company spend 10s of millions of dollars to make products only to give them away for free ..
I don't think the issue was that it wasn't free. The issue is with the miscommunication and assumptions made with the "Ultimate" bundle.