Coppen after the match: _"Oh, him? Yeah, I know him... It's going to take a while. It happened years ago. Did you know... there are three kind of aces? Those who seek silver lions, those who live for research points, and those who can win even when uptiered. Those are the three. And him... he was a true ace."_
He missed the one that lives for KD, like loads of people. Defyn is the mule of the team: ready to carry anything without any complaint, and he's gonna save your ass anytime, instead of using you as bait
Honestly this is just more evidence that we need more decompression, but it hasn’t been that bad with MiG-19 players turnfighting or ripping, so due to statistics it’s probably gonna stay at 9.7 for a bit.
In the state mig19s were at 10.0 putting them at 9.7 for some time is good, tough imho they could have left the MiG19pt at 10.0 if they gave back to him the R-13m missiles (not with the performance they had in 1.87 but with the performance they have now that are on the 21bis). They could force faster enemy planes to turn so you can engage them in a quick dogfight
I remember watching a Dogfights episode and the guy said "The easiest time to shoot an enemy plane down is when someone is about to shoot you down, so when you're ready to shoot someone down, be sure to check your tail" Good video, keep up the good work.
Regarding the R-3S missiles or w/e they are called. The "too high load factor" is just positive Gs not negative. I always "lead" the lock-circle infront of the enemy and pull the circle down over them so your plane is pitching down over them. So it locks while you got negative Gs going. Always launches.
R-3S are pretty bad, which is why i prefer playing chinese variants the PL-2 missiles are beyond better haven’t had issues with load factors except when rolling they also track substantially better and are extremely hard to dodge when close
@@GewelReal i don't think they didn't buff the missiles, they just nerfed r60 reliability, thats why russian jet players get better results when using r3s as they should than when using r60s as they should.
@@WoofyMcDoodle i dont have problems whit the f4C they are fat as fuck and at low alt they cant do alot you just need to make then get greedy and kill them bc the f40 sabre is really hard to kill so you can just dodge them and some times make them rip they wings of
@@benfennell6842 no, the mig19 is just not enough maneuverable. Now that there's stuff like the f8u and the j35A looping over and over doesn't solve anything because these have roughly the same thrust weight ratio than you and turn a lot better.
@@kingghidorah8106 lmao you dont see the obvious mistake in your logic. i can drain a j35 of its energy any day every day. same with any other plane thats not a fucking mig 19 or a viggen. how ? make them turn after you then start looping horizontally until the j35 falls back then cut into your own loop to let him catch to keep the illusion hes got your 6. go round once maybe twice hes done. you still have 1000kmh to work with. you can do it with any plane you fight maybe not with a f8e. to deal with that include vertical axis if necessary and youre done with him as well. seems like your inability to fly the plane is more of a issue here ^^ what you were talking about is their ability to sustain huge aoa to give you the illusion youre turning fast when in reality youre using your speed to turn and are basically drifting through the air. the mig just doesnt do that thats why it wins ANY dogfight aggainst planes that arent called j37.....
id like to see you fly a mig 19s in a full uptier and say its the same thing. no radar/missiles is a massive disadvantage, its an unbalancable plane. it either slaps or gets slapped, no in between.
Beautiful flying. Excellent presentation. I personally love using the Mig-19 in low to mid energy engagements. It’s high thrust to weight ratio combined with clever rudder and aileron inputs can produce excellent results. Glad I stumbled onto your work. Top notch!
Gaijin logic: Plane with no AAMs, and no avionics: 10.0 Advantage? 5% less weight, one more cannon The same plane with AAMs and avionics, one less gun, 5% more weight: 9.7 Well fucking done. They deserve the same BR.
I can’t say I’ve ever really had a bad time with the MiG-19S, but there’s been no shortage of times when I can’t kill multiple enemies because they severely out-run/out energy me. There’s also the issue with the roll rate at high speeds compared to NATO aircraft. You really feel the lack of missiles in an uptier, but it has its moments since the guns are so good.
I wish this video was of the Mig-19s with no missiles, and vs F4-E's like every match seems to be for me lately. That would be much more useful really. Still great to watch though.
Bruh the mig19 is way too good for 9.0. Even 9.7 is too low. It should be 10.0. Mig19 is better than top tier planes performance wise it just lacks flares and missiles which puts it at a disadvantage
@@rileyxbell I think the S should be 10.0 because of its performance, but the other 19s could probably stay at 9.7 for a little bit to see how their presence affects the 9.7 br. There are aircraft that do better than it in some areas and can counter it if they play their cards right, but the same can be said for the 19. The F100D is one which doesn’t have a whole lot over the 19, but can still win a fair 1v1 and can use its better missiles to kill the 19 when boom and zooming. A7 has death missiles and guns while also having a better turn rate at most speeds even with the gun pods, the F104 has much better performance outside of turn and its got good guns too, and the Harriers and Jaguars have great guns and great missiles and the Jaguars in particular can turn with the 19PT and J6. The real problem is for the 8.7s and 9.0s that have to fight the 19, but it was the exact same for the 19 when it was 10.0 having to fight full teams of F4s because quantitative matchmaking didn’t apply in 10.0-10.7 matches if no 9.7s were present.
I sit here in amazement at how you handle multiple opponents. When I face off 1 vs many I am like oh ****, but you take it like a walk in the park. You seem to have detailed knowledge of all your opponents capabilities, is this just through many hours of gameplay experience?
I got the german mig19 a few days ago and my impression of it is that, in the right situation, it's ridiculously good if you stay fast. also rates like hell at ~600, not as good as a mig21 or f5 but still pretty good against boats like the f4c
Im taking a time out of war thunder since the end of the event, but i came back last week to try de Mig19 at 9.7, i get a match where we got a F104 as our 10+ and the enemy team was (im not joking) 90% F4E/C etc... we all die, well fine. So today i try again after watching this video, and again, a F4E kills me, my plane is still stock, and i cant find a reason to try learn this plane. Witch makes me sad since it is a beatiful plane.
@@g1v3n41 its mostly not about dodging missiles but beeing in a position to do so. if youre rushing in like hes most likely doing you wont be having a great time as i only takes one person a km or less behond you to send you to the hangar. you need to be careful at the start of thw game those airspawn mofos rain hell on you if you dont especially in a plane that has no cm. yes you can dodge most missiles if youre in the right position but if a missile is shot at you from close range wich means less than 2km and it tracks and isnt one of the lowtier ones you die simple as that. you wont be outpulling the missile and it wont burn out before it hits you. if youre side aspect its really fucking simple but those harriers slotting on your 6 from above can kill you easily if youre not aware so i would say no its not him beeing to stupid to dodge but rather him having no awareness
@@g1v3n41 when the famously awful spotter system decides to not tag anything on your six and all you see when looking behind is a clusterfuck of black dots mixing AI attackers with untagged players you just don't see the death stick coming.
@@DEFYN please dude lol along with the Harriers and A7s, this the only plane they have on Warsaw that has flares and RWR . Lol i brought it back out again after the BR changes and its still difficult to fly but it feels so much better not having to deal with AIM9 Js all the time . Give it a try again !
That dogfight from 6:11 to 7:20 was nice. It was all over when you picked up altitude and he was not paying attention to the aggressive energy grabs you were doing. An ace would’ve cut your loop
The trick with these is not to stay on him and shoot. You want to start with lead slightly bigger than you think you need and decreas until you hit. Alternatively, stall out people and then engage
Yeah they are very confusing to use, when you shoot them they look as if they have enough velocity to pull some shots they can't pull off. You need to lead more than what you think you should
flying su7 and enjoying the hrll outta them. hit like a truck, even with stock belt. i suggest using armored targets, for some reason HE shells are RNG
You mentioned that the flaps don't make the plane feel like it turns better, and I think the reason why that's the case for many jets is because the flaps are behind the centre of mass, so any lift they generate actually creates a bit of torque rotating you downwards, making it harder to pull up. They certainly increase lift and that's really useful in low speed dogfights but at high speed in jets I'll never use them, like in the swift where you can deploy them just below your wing rip speed, because they just make it harder to pull out of dives and get your guns on target.
Defyn do you take requests? I recently made the switch to RB and Ive been enjoying the 190 a4 (its a beautiful, punishing bird)but havent found a video of you flying it.
I don't do direct requests I just kinda fly what i feel like flying. but you can always ask and suggest planes that i might not think about otherwise. Il fly it somewhere in the near future
This is one of the few Soviet high tier jets I really enjoy flying. I don’t enjoy the MiG-15/17 much because of the incredibly awkward and often unreliable guns (so many sparks for me). MiG-19 though is just absolute hilarity. It goes zooms for days and is agile enough to make it easy getting those guns on target. The same can’t be said for the Su-7, despite the same armament it’s just a bus and playing it stock is utter cancer. Can’t even do S-24 memes :(.
A Mig 19 is potent enough to take on a Tomcat toe to toe in a guns fight for a very short period of time and win due to fuel load. The moment you introduce missiles The Mig 19 Has a hard time getting close enough to fire it's heaters as log as it can sneak up out of the Tomcats Radar Cone. I bring this up because the Mig 19 sits in such a weird performance category. Its turn rate and climb and acceleration power make it an POWER HOUSE in it's generation even a little above the moment long range FOX1, or FOX 3 missiles show its not that great.
i spaded the MiG19S two days ago and the whole grind has been a blast, really quick and full of dopamine. Then I went back to MiG19PT and I felt like an absolute burden, missed most of my shots and died. The MiG19S is noticeably better than the PT and J6A, even on duels it will juggle with the F-16 above 700kmh as long as it keeps the one circle. The PT on the other hand struggles with the F8E and F5E unless it goes up and plays passively.
@DEFYN yeah sarcastic headline but I didn't saw any fight against F-4 Phantoms. Yes it gets also full up tiers and because russia has no 10.3 atm you get one SMT or Bis. While enemy team has Draken, Mirage and 2x F-4 Phantom. I always wondered how do you control planes when you play and after I saw that you can type into chat, changing direction of flight and looking around at the same time I become even more curious. Could you consider making video about it?
That's easy. For the chat, you just put your mouse crosshair into the desired direction, then adjust the plane's roll so it only need to pull to go into that direction when opening chat. Also chat doesn't dissapear if you canceled the typing so keep that in mind. There is one quirky thing about looking around and mouse crosshair tho. When you hold C and then do keyboard maneuvers the plane will always go back to the mouse's direction. But if you hold C, look to a direction where you can't see the mouse crosshair and then do a keyboard maneuver, the mouse crosshair now follows your plane's nose and you have full control of your plane without mouse interruption as long as you keep holding C. That's basically what he's doing, but with faster juggling, more precision and good timing because of experience.
@@piscessoedroen ok so it was what I thought. However just by using w,a,s,d,q,e I was unable to reproduce the smooth plane guidance as with a mouse and Defyns videos it's so smooth that I would say he uses two mice, one for looking around and one for changing plane direction :-D
@@RossTheLoss The 21bis is an amazing aircraft when used correctly. Shouldn’t commit to turn fights unless you can secure yourself into a 1v1, and if you aren’t too heavy from the missiles then you can outturn a F4 for a while or reverse him once he does get on your six by pulling a vertical and then ruddering over to pull out of the stall.
Idk what it is, I can’t play top tier, the jets are too fast, plus dogfighting is just missles, which I get, but 8.7 and under is probably the best imo.
Thanks for info about this bucket, in a proces of spading it/them. Only question I have is, whay ground belt do you use? And again thanks for video 👍❤️
nice video. For mig19 I found it always overroll for some reason and it seems it doesn't want to put nose down at the top of a loop ( ias400-500kph). I don't know Why. Also, i tried turn+climb to f100 and f11 a few times but i lost to them everytime...i thought it will out turn them.
Maybe it's because you are still full afterburning at the top of the loop ? Try to cut your throttle a little bit when you are at the top and that you are trying to go back down.
WHAT? IT GOT MISSILES.... what the hell. Didn't know that. Well... then it is inferior to the MIG-19s and shouldn't be on the same BR. Another good example for decompression regarding top-tier.
And when i cry about the BR of Hunters Fga9 premium, he must be to 9.0 and not 9.7, majority of players say no it is good at 9.7 because he have 2 Aim 9B ... I'm so happy about the last patch with BR changements that i stop playing from this day as an only Allies countries user (USA, Brits, Fr)
Should be 9.3. Current matchmaking has it exclusively fighting jets with countermeasures, better missiles, and higher speeds. In 100 games, I've gotten 5 matches being anything other than the bottom BR in a match.
Your comment came true. Very nice. Still though I think the only solution is decompression, the MiG-19 is a perfect example since 9.3 is way too low because of flight performance but 9.7 is too high with all that powercreep
I think the only things that can out-vertical the MiG 19 is the MiG 21Bis and F-104's Also, how you get soo many 10.0-8.7 matches?, i've done like 40 battles the last 2 days and like 30 of them where in 10.7-10.3
@@DeeKeyLP nah if a mig 21 does a high aoa pull and looses speed it will probably be caught by the mig 19 unless it can go supersonic since the mig 19 hates the sound barrier
I’ve fought him before. I didn’t know he was a streamer, and he did pretty well, but my team had still won the match. I just thought he was another random player.
People crying about harrier at 9.7 ... but suggesting mig19s at 9.7. Wut lol this thing can get on a phantoms 6 and give it a hard time and can’t be beat in the vertical. Just as deluded as gaijan tbh
Exactly people dont realize how good the mig19s actually is. I cant believe they bumped it down to 9.7 its absolutely shitting on everything now. Can you imagine fighting a mig19s in an 8.7 plane
@@rileyxbell yup 👍 I think mig19s complimented mig21 well in battle. I’d often die to one when trying to fight a bis/smt/smt. The only reason it’s going down is because it’s hard to play (I’m shit in them) but any half decent mig pilot could compete still. I can’t imagine trying to take one down in a hunter, g91 etc etc. Madness lol
@@rileyxbell Can you imagine BF109 G10 fighting F8F-2 Bearcat ? Can you imagine ME262 C fighting F86F-2 ? Can you imagine MiG15 BiS fighting F80C-10 ? Can you imagine F9F-8 Cougar fighting HO229 ? i can either ... because those matchups were in the game for YEARS ... os i dont have to imagine the absolute roflstomping the lower tier vehicle gets subjected to in those matchups ...
@@piscessoedroen again how is that different from any other BR bracket... secondly 8.7s are protected by quantitative matchmaking rule which means only 3 Mig19s on the enemy team maximum (with high probability of one+ of the slots being taken by MiG21 F-13/ PFM or SU7 or Yak38 ...) that will be put up against things like A7D, F100D, Harriers etc ... and in my opinion T-2, Jaguar A and F104s with AiM9 B/E and no Sparrows should all go down to 9.7 to round out the NATO teams ... its happening anyway because most matches 9.7 get are currently 9.0-10.0 or 9.7 - 10.7 in about 50/50 split with ComBlock side 10.0s being filled in by German F104G
Pure he looks like a good choice but they tend to spark because they explode on contact. Aphe looks like it'll overpen but in reality its fuse is so sensitive it will explode inside the plane. Armored belt
@@matiasdelafuente3106 I did a little experimenting, and it’s actually a trade-off. HE does immediate damage so it’s good for snapping wings, but the APHE is better at almost anything else, but will give you hits if you can’t hit center mass. Default gives you the best of both-worlds.
Would you be able to take out the F-40 and show us how to use it in 9.3 currently? I feel like half the time I lose in my F-40 not necessarily because of my own gameplay... but because of American teams consisting of a bunch of people all flying their jets like ground attackers and bombers... and it’s really hampering the fighters
The 19S is probably my least favorite plane in the whole German tech tree, to me it just feels like a boat. At times it even feels like I'm lagging while playing it because of how it maneuvers, could just be me I guess.
Mig-19s Syndrome: too fast to be down tiered, but lackluster armament for higher tier.
Same with F-104A/C
so.. its where it should be?
@@ram3n_no0dle kinda but then there's things with better speed and armament lower or .3 higher (not a small difference like 9E vs R60s at 9.7)
I said this on the forum so many times but the VTE elitists lolkekwd at me.
@@auterm f104a? It only got 2 pairs on aim9bs doesn't it have other missiles?
Coppen after the match:
_"Oh, him? Yeah, I know him... It's going to take a while. It happened years ago. Did you know... there are three kind of aces? Those who seek silver lions, those who live for research points, and those who can win even when uptiered. Those are the three. And him... he was a true ace."_
Feel a bit like a reverse since you know red wingtip .
@@hopelessgaming2732 yeah that makes sense although pixy had the right wingtip painted in red, while Defyn has the left wing tip painted in red
YO BUDDY
@@theycallmeJacko Instead of buddy he says mate.
He missed the one that lives for KD, like loads of people. Defyn is the mule of the team: ready to carry anything without any complaint, and he's gonna save your ass anytime, instead of using you as bait
Honestly this is just more evidence that we need more decompression, but it hasn’t been that bad with MiG-19 players turnfighting or ripping, so due to statistics it’s probably gonna stay at 9.7 for a bit.
it will probably go down again since no one plays 8.7 anymore and it always gets uptiered
That’s the problem, their stats do not account for the subjective nature of over compression, at this point I would call it hyper compression.
Not bad with turn fighting. Bad with 20g and 30g missiles coming from Phantoms though. Especially since Defyns video was mainly downtiered or same br.
In the state mig19s were at 10.0 putting them at 9.7 for some time is good, tough imho they could have left the MiG19pt at 10.0 if they gave back to him the R-13m missiles (not with the performance they had in 1.87 but with the performance they have now that are on the 21bis). They could force faster enemy planes to turn so you can engage them in a quick dogfight
it's going to 9.3 now
I remember watching a Dogfights episode and the guy said "The easiest time to shoot an enemy plane down is when someone is about to shoot you down, so when you're ready to shoot someone down, be sure to check your tail"
Good video, keep up the good work.
DEFYN turned the map into Airspace B7R.
The demon of the round table
Aka the round table
This comment section is the proof that detailed statcard is needed
kd matters 😳😳😳😳
The chad Defyn vs the virgin Harriers.
Edit: You people like this comment way to much. XD
Virgin mig19*
The chad br lock at 9.7 where Defyn definitely doesn't face f4 phantoms in his video due to getting screwed
@@einar8019 ew
giga virgins
I dont!
Regarding the R-3S missiles or w/e they are called.
The "too high load factor" is just positive Gs not negative.
I always "lead" the lock-circle infront of the enemy and pull the circle down over them so your plane is pitching down over them. So it locks while you got negative Gs going.
Always launches.
R-3S are pretty bad, which is why i prefer playing chinese variants the PL-2 missiles are beyond better haven’t had issues with load factors except when rolling they also track substantially better and are extremely hard to dodge when close
The PL-2s are the exact same
Unlucky
and now they buffed them :)
@@GewelReal i don't think they didn't buff the missiles, they just nerfed r60 reliability, thats why russian jet players get better results when using r3s as they should than when using r60s as they should.
The mig 19 is one of those jets where you can just keep turning and climbing and still keep going
that's not worth a shit if your flyboy hamster keeps falling asleep
F-86F-40 totally deserves to fight these 90% of the time, thansk gaijin.
GIANT DAD THE LEGEND
Gaijin: BuT mIsSiles comrade.
Not anymore. Now it just gets uptiered to fight phantoms and gets completely destroyed.
@@WoofyMcDoodle i dont have problems whit the f4C they are fat as fuck and at low alt they cant do alot you just need to make then get greedy and kill them bc the f40 sabre is really hard to kill so you can just dodge them and some times make them rip they wings of
@@WoofyMcDoodle btw the f4c is just overated i can easily kill them whit my mig19
*Gets up-BR'd and destroyed by harriers, Phantoms and MiG-21s, solving nothing*
bruh how are harriers a threat to the mig 19 lmao
@@benfennell6842 sraams have no mercy on planes without flares, phantoms face fuck it, mig21s face fuck it
@@Winter_rifle True but tbh if you've been outmanouvered by a subsonic in your mig-21MF somethings gone horribly wrong.
@@benfennell6842 no, the mig19 is just not enough maneuverable. Now that there's stuff like the f8u and the j35A looping over and over doesn't solve anything because these have roughly the same thrust weight ratio than you and turn a lot better.
@@kingghidorah8106 lmao you dont see the obvious mistake in your logic. i can drain a j35 of its energy any day every day. same with any other plane thats not a fucking mig 19 or a viggen. how ? make them turn after you then start looping horizontally until the j35 falls back then cut into your own loop to let him catch to keep the illusion hes got your 6. go round once maybe twice hes done. you still have 1000kmh to work with. you can do it with any plane you fight maybe not with a f8e. to deal with that include vertical axis if necessary and youre done with him as well. seems like your inability to fly the plane is more of a issue here ^^
what you were talking about is their ability to sustain huge aoa to give you the illusion youre turning fast when in reality youre using your speed to turn and are basically drifting through the air. the mig just doesnt do that thats why it wins ANY dogfight aggainst planes that arent called j37.....
id like to see you fly a mig 19s in a full uptier and say its the same thing. no radar/missiles is a massive disadvantage, its an unbalancable plane. it either slaps or gets slapped, no in between.
its got a radar, its just that it isnt too good.
@@gregorydewar531 yep, lack of missles is pain
@@gregorydewar531 so you are saying a prop could kill you? Because the A10 isn’t very fast.
@@gregorydewar531 19 should energytrap a10's easy no? doesnt matter how good they turn if they cant even nose up to you since theyre so damn slow
@@vereity3912 if u boom and zoom they just point their nose up and send out a middle
Beautiful flying. Excellent presentation. I personally love using the Mig-19 in low to mid energy engagements. It’s high thrust to weight ratio combined with clever rudder and aileron inputs can produce excellent results. Glad I stumbled onto your work. Top notch!
Evidence that top tier actually has quite mannerful aviators.
The Chinese MiG-19 has a lead indicator for some reason
They add should. It has a radar assisted gun sight, but Gaijin doesn’t seem to like coding for them... because reasons.
how can i get it to work
holy moly Mr. Ace-Combat-Protagonist, that was so cool
Instead of letting players unite and fight us, we divide them and make them hate each other, so that we rule them better. ------ Gaijin
Gaijin logic: Plane with no AAMs, and no avionics: 10.0
Advantage? 5% less weight, one more cannon
The same plane with AAMs and avionics, one less gun, 5% more weight: 9.7
Well fucking done. They deserve the same BR.
what you know that the 19s is also 9.7?
@@ClockPerfection shit is it? Last time i checked it was at 10.0
@@ClockPerfection that's way too low for both. Jesus decompress the BRs. 11.0 should be the max BR AT LEAST, why tf are we stuck with 10.7?
@@samuellatta6774 its the same br trust me
@@samuellatta6774 also we are stuck because gaijin like munching crayons
You should revisit the MIG19-S with the A-10 spam at the moment, constant up tiers. It isn't worth flying at all.
I can’t say I’ve ever really had a bad time with the MiG-19S, but there’s been no shortage of times when I can’t kill multiple enemies because they severely out-run/out energy me. There’s also the issue with the roll rate at high speeds compared to NATO aircraft. You really feel the lack of missiles in an uptier, but it has its moments since the guns are so good.
Love having to deal with Harriers with flares and aim9g’s and A-10’s with unlimited flares
I wish this video was of the Mig-19s with no missiles, and vs F4-E's like every match seems to be for me lately. That would be much more useful really. Still great to watch though.
We really need separate br for missile planes that carry anything better than basic rear aspect stuff.
MiG19S should be 9.0 because it has no missiles
you should really be a gaijin dev :)
Instead of that why not add missiles to it. I mean historically it DID HAD 2 R-13 "Atoll" missiles
Gib 9.0 to 19S... I'd actually wanna see it just as a meme. But knowing gaijigles they might actualyl leave it there
Bruh the mig19 is way too good for 9.0. Even 9.7 is too low. It should be 10.0. Mig19 is better than top tier planes performance wise it just lacks flares and missiles which puts it at a disadvantage
@@rileyxbell I think the S should be 10.0 because of its performance, but the other 19s could probably stay at 9.7 for a little bit to see how their presence affects the 9.7 br. There are aircraft that do better than it in some areas and can counter it if they play their cards right, but the same can be said for the 19. The F100D is one which doesn’t have a whole lot over the 19, but can still win a fair 1v1 and can use its better missiles to kill the 19 when boom and zooming. A7 has death missiles and guns while also having a better turn rate at most speeds even with the gun pods, the F104 has much better performance outside of turn and its got good guns too, and the Harriers and Jaguars have great guns and great missiles and the Jaguars in particular can turn with the 19PT and J6. The real problem is for the 8.7s and 9.0s that have to fight the 19, but it was the exact same for the 19 when it was 10.0 having to fight full teams of F4s because quantitative matchmaking didn’t apply in 10.0-10.7 matches if no 9.7s were present.
I sit here in amazement at how you handle multiple opponents. When I face off 1 vs many I am like oh ****, but you take it like a walk in the park. You seem to have detailed knowledge of all your opponents capabilities, is this just through many hours of gameplay experience?
same bro, defyn btw has been playing for years.
I got the german mig19 a few days ago and my impression of it is that, in the right situation, it's ridiculously good if you stay fast. also rates like hell at ~600, not as good as a mig21 or f5 but still pretty good against boats like the f4c
Im taking a time out of war thunder since the end of the event, but i came back last week to try de Mig19 at 9.7, i get a match where we got a F104 as our 10+ and the enemy team was (im not joking) 90% F4E/C etc... we all die, well fine. So today i try again after watching this video, and again, a F4E kills me, my plane is still stock, and i cant find a reason to try learn this plane. Witch makes me sad since it is a beatiful plane.
You know what,when The AV8 shoot me down 100+ times. I finally deleted a folder call ‘War Thunder’.
@@MingkaiGuo I guess you just suck at dodging missles then
(which*) makes sense
@@g1v3n41 its mostly not about dodging missiles but beeing in a position to do so. if youre rushing in like hes most likely doing you wont be having a great time as i only takes one person a km or less behond you to send you to the hangar. you need to be careful at the start of thw game those airspawn mofos rain hell on you if you dont especially in a plane that has no cm. yes you can dodge most missiles if youre in the right position but if a missile is shot at you from close range wich means less than 2km and it tracks and isnt one of the lowtier ones you die simple as that. you wont be outpulling the missile and it wont burn out before it hits you. if youre side aspect its really fucking simple but those harriers slotting on your 6 from above can kill you easily if youre not aware so i would say no its not him beeing to stupid to dodge but rather him having no awareness
@@g1v3n41 when the famously awful spotter system decides to not tag anything on your six and all you see when looking behind is a clusterfuck of black dots mixing AI attackers with untagged players you just don't see the death stick coming.
the mig-19 makes me wonder why the ussr went with the 23s rather than the nr-30s on later jets
more ammo reserves I guess
because the gas from the MiG19's guns could kill its engine, lol
@@_lo8241 stick them to where it dont get in the intake
You should play the Q-5A the one with the flares and rwr
You mean the mig19 without guns?
@@DEFYN please dude lol along with the Harriers and A7s, this the only plane they have on Warsaw that has flares and RWR . Lol i brought it back out again after the BR changes and its still difficult to fly but it feels so much better not having to deal with AIM9 Js all the time . Give it a try again !
@@DEFYN well it is Made In China
@@terloriaslolx3869 23s make me shudder
@@mrbones_7420 hell yea brother cant wait to phly that boi on malta this year :(
That dogfight from 6:11 to 7:20 was nice. It was all over when you picked up altitude and he was not paying attention to the aggressive energy grabs you were doing. An ace would’ve cut your loop
Why no footage against some F4Es ?
every plane is good when you are a fucking god at this game
Just cant make these 30mms work. I always either overlead or underlead the targets
The trick with these is not to stay on him and shoot. You want to start with lead slightly bigger than you think you need and decreas until you hit. Alternatively, stall out people and then engage
Yeah they are very confusing to use, when you shoot them they look as if they have enough velocity to pull some shots they can't pull off. You need to lead more than what you think you should
flying su7 and enjoying the hrll outta them. hit like a truck, even with stock belt. i suggest using armored targets, for some reason HE shells are RNG
@@DeeKeyLP aphe explodes inside the plane, try and guess what happens next
Always learning something new watch your vids. At just a few hours on the game then that's probably a given. lol
You mentioned that the flaps don't make the plane feel like it turns better, and I think the reason why that's the case for many jets is because the flaps are behind the centre of mass, so any lift they generate actually creates a bit of torque rotating you downwards, making it harder to pull up. They certainly increase lift and that's really useful in low speed dogfights but at high speed in jets I'll never use them, like in the swift where you can deploy them just below your wing rip speed, because they just make it harder to pull out of dives and get your guns on target.
Possibly doesn't really matter anyway as you don't want to go slow
Defyn do you take requests? I recently made the switch to RB and Ive been enjoying the 190 a4 (its a beautiful, punishing bird)but havent found a video of you flying it.
I don't do direct requests I just kinda fly what i feel like flying. but you can always ask and suggest planes that i might not think about otherwise.
Il fly it somewhere in the near future
hey DEFYN, check your outro music. i think it's chopped in one spot. not to be that guy, just tryna help.
This is one of the few Soviet high tier jets I really enjoy flying. I don’t enjoy the MiG-15/17 much because of the incredibly awkward and often unreliable guns (so many sparks for me). MiG-19 though is just absolute hilarity. It goes zooms for days and is agile enough to make it easy getting those guns on target. The same can’t be said for the Su-7, despite the same armament it’s just a bus and playing it stock is utter cancer. Can’t even do S-24 memes :(.
A Mig 19 is potent enough to take on a Tomcat toe to toe in a guns fight for a very short period of time and win due to fuel load. The moment you introduce missiles The Mig 19 Has a hard time getting close enough to fire it's heaters as log as it can sneak up out of the Tomcats Radar Cone. I bring this up because the Mig 19 sits in such a weird performance category. Its turn rate and climb and acceleration power make it an POWER HOUSE in it's generation even a little above the moment long range FOX1, or FOX 3 missiles show its not that great.
i spaded the MiG19S two days ago and the whole grind has been a blast, really quick and full of dopamine. Then I went back to MiG19PT and I felt like an absolute burden, missed most of my shots and died. The MiG19S is noticeably better than the PT and J6A, even on duels it will juggle with the F-16 above 700kmh as long as it keeps the one circle. The PT on the other hand struggles with the F8E and F5E unless it goes up and plays passively.
@DEFYN yeah sarcastic headline but I didn't saw any fight against F-4 Phantoms. Yes it gets also full up tiers and because russia has no 10.3 atm you get one SMT or Bis. While enemy team has Draken, Mirage and 2x F-4 Phantom. I always wondered how do you control planes when you play and after I saw that you can type into chat, changing direction of flight and looking around at the same time I become even more curious. Could you consider making video about it?
That's easy. For the chat, you just put your mouse crosshair into the desired direction, then adjust the plane's roll so it only need to pull to go into that direction when opening chat. Also chat doesn't dissapear if you canceled the typing so keep that in mind.
There is one quirky thing about looking around and mouse crosshair tho. When you hold C and then do keyboard maneuvers the plane will always go back to the mouse's direction. But if you hold C, look to a direction where you can't see the mouse crosshair and then do a keyboard maneuver, the mouse crosshair now follows your plane's nose and you have full control of your plane without mouse interruption as long as you keep holding C.
That's basically what he's doing, but with faster juggling, more precision and good timing because of experience.
@@piscessoedroen gonna have to try it tomorrow and will report back if I understood that correctly or not
@@piscessoedroen ok so it was what I thought. However just by using w,a,s,d,q,e I was unable to reproduce the smooth plane guidance as with a mouse and Defyns videos it's so smooth that I would say he uses two mice, one for looking around and one for changing plane direction :-D
@@districtnull mans uses his feet to control the look around lmao
Mig 19s should be locked in 9.7 or decomp to 9.3 , no missle and flares , comon mans😏
Defyn used 0.0001% of his brain power to do this massacre
Mig 19s are such awesome looking jets
The mig 19 is a super amazing jet once you get used to it’s non existent role rate
I disagree because the f100d is better so they both should be in the same br
Nice try, Koala....
good vid, better channel, greatest youtuber :)
Ah the days before the F-5C spam... now there is no reason to play the Mig-19.
Yea the a7d should definitely be 9.7 as well
*anyone noticed that only one of the afterburning engines gives of light on the aircraft xD, hope they fix it*
Why do you think you can only see half the afterburner on the thumbnail lmao
@@DEFYN tru
The mig-19 variants with guns only can stay at 9.7, if gaijin aren't going to decompress
what? no. The 19S is the best 19 (only by a little, but better is better) All of them should go back to 10.0. it was perfect there
@@_lo8241 don't lie. They were struggling against the phantoms! They were the most useless jets.
@@CaSama Spitfire LF Mk9 struggles against the Kikka, I think we should move the LF to 5.0
@@CaSama he's right, let these things stay at 10.0, instead of downtiering, consider uptiering the toptier
@@piscessoedroen MiG19's belong at 9.7, they have no business fighting 10.7 jets. Especially the MiG19S with no missiles
Still my favorite mig. Its just soo good in everything.
What about mig 21bis
@@obeyobay9146 top tier isn't really fun
@@obeyobay9146 The plane itself is shit. Only thing good are the missiles.
@@obeyobay9146 even with the best mig21 you will always miss flying this supersonic dogfighter
@@RossTheLoss The 21bis is an amazing aircraft when used correctly. Shouldn’t commit to turn fights unless you can secure yourself into a 1v1, and if you aren’t too heavy from the missiles then you can outturn a F4 for a while or reverse him once he does get on your six by pulling a vertical and then ruddering over to pull out of the stall.
All Mig-19 version now are fine in 9.7, in 10.0 it was pure 10.7
Shut up :)
Idk what it is, I can’t play top tier, the jets are too fast, plus dogfighting is just missles, which I get, but 8.7 and under is probably the best imo.
yes I agree and its just better not to take games serious less you plan better you will do and more fun you will have
How the hell do you even fly this thing? I can't get it spaded because I can't hit shit and die to everything. Tutorial plz?
Speed and alt. Dont dogfight. Its a mig not a phantom
watch the video bro relax
Skill issue
Man I hate getting "hit"s with jets, especially 30mm. I did a long dog fight in my hunter, got a 'hit' and then ended up loosing the figjt
Thanks for info about this bucket, in a proces of spading it/them.
Only question I have is, whay ground belt do you use?
And again thanks for video 👍❤️
I haven't even unlocked jets yet but i'm learning so much lol. 4.0 German and 5.0 American, working on getting spitfire for British.
How's it going, made much progression in 8 months?
Great Video and great game
I knew there was something wrong with this plane. It was 0.3 BR up... Hope they fix this... Its an awesome plane...
AV8A pilots need to use the Aim9G tweak to clap migs it’s easy now
nice video. For mig19 I found it always overroll for some reason and it seems it doesn't want to put nose down at the top of a loop ( ias400-500kph). I don't know Why. Also, i tried turn+climb to f100 and f11 a few times but i lost to them everytime...i thought it will out turn them.
Maybe it's because you are still full afterburning at the top of the loop ? Try to cut your throttle a little bit when you are at the top and that you are trying to go back down.
If they reverted all of the mig19's back to it's original fm I would enjoy it more and it would be more balanced.
tfw it's 9.3 now
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As mig 15 player I keep getting matched with planes like this. I lost 200k sl at least already.
Sitting in my stock Mig 19S and it is fucking horrible. My whole grind was a lie and I will deinstall warthunder
mig 19s isn't terrible though its not a very good plane either.
That voicecrack btw love your vids
WHAT? IT GOT MISSILES.... what the hell. Didn't know that. Well... then it is inferior to the MIG-19s and shouldn't be on the same BR. Another good example for decompression regarding top-tier.
And when i cry about the BR of Hunters Fga9 premium, he must be to 9.0 and not 9.7, majority of players say no it is good at 9.7 because he have 2 Aim 9B ...
I'm so happy about the last patch with BR changements that i stop playing from this day as an only Allies countries user (USA, Brits, Fr)
How often does it get uptier vs same tier. I tried 2 matches in it yesterday and both against F-4Es :(
Because nobody is playing 8.7-9.7 now that nobody wants to get clubbed by it.
most US players play av8 a7d f100 f104 and f4, so you See them everytime
Its never same tier. It's either up or down and you end up getting more downtiers the more you play it.
It suffers in an uptier. Murders everything in a downtier. Although IMO 9.7 needs a hard br lock.
I can agree. Either lock down 9.7 or make 11.0 a thing.
Fun fact: not heading on with a7d's save lifes
Should be 9.3. Current matchmaking has it exclusively fighting jets with countermeasures, better missiles, and higher speeds. In 100 games, I've gotten 5 matches being anything other than the bottom BR in a match.
Your comment came true. Very nice.
Still though I think the only solution is decompression, the MiG-19 is a perfect example since 9.3 is way too low because of flight performance but 9.7 is too high with all that powercreep
I think the only things that can out-vertical the MiG 19 is the MiG 21Bis and F-104's
Also, how you get soo many 10.0-8.7 matches?, i've done like 40 battles the last 2 days and like 30 of them where in 10.7-10.3
If it is a climbing spiral the mig 19 will win over the mig 21 bis
@@sherlocksinha2435 yeah, unless 21 kills it first with it's AoA
@@DeeKeyLP if that bis misses its first AoA pull and doesn't run away it'll be dead
@@piscessoedroen yeah, but it can and 95% of the time WILL run away :)
@@DeeKeyLP nah if a mig 21 does a high aoa pull and looses speed it will probably be caught by the mig 19 unless it can go supersonic since the mig 19 hates the sound barrier
Dude if I saw Coppen on the enemy team I'd just J out
gitgud
I’ve fought him before. I didn’t know he was a streamer, and he did pretty well, but my team had still won the match. I just thought he was another random player.
People crying about harrier at 9.7 ... but suggesting mig19s at 9.7. Wut lol this thing can get on a phantoms 6 and give it a hard time and can’t be beat in the vertical. Just as deluded as gaijan tbh
Exactly people dont realize how good the mig19s actually is. I cant believe they bumped it down to 9.7 its absolutely shitting on everything now. Can you imagine fighting a mig19s in an 8.7 plane
@@rileyxbell yup 👍 I think mig19s complimented mig21 well in battle. I’d often die to one when trying to fight a bis/smt/smt. The only reason it’s going down is because it’s hard to play (I’m shit in them) but any half decent mig pilot could compete still.
I can’t imagine trying to take one down in a hunter, g91 etc etc. Madness lol
@@rileyxbell Can you imagine BF109 G10 fighting F8F-2 Bearcat ?
Can you imagine ME262 C fighting F86F-2 ?
Can you imagine MiG15 BiS fighting F80C-10 ?
Can you imagine F9F-8 Cougar fighting HO229 ?
i can either ... because those matchups were in the game for YEARS ... os i dont have to imagine the absolute roflstomping the lower tier vehicle gets subjected to in those matchups ...
@@Asghaad so... Does that means mig19 should stomp 8.7?
@@piscessoedroen again how is that different from any other BR bracket...
secondly 8.7s are protected by quantitative matchmaking rule which means only 3 Mig19s on the enemy team maximum (with high probability of one+ of the slots being taken by MiG21 F-13/ PFM or SU7 or Yak38 ...) that will be put up against things like A7D, F100D, Harriers etc ...
and in my opinion T-2, Jaguar A and F104s with AiM9 B/E and no Sparrows should all go down to 9.7 to round out the NATO teams ...
its happening anyway because most matches 9.7 get are currently 9.0-10.0 or 9.7 - 10.7 in about 50/50 split with ComBlock side 10.0s being filled in by German F104G
MiG-19s will beat most opponents as long as they can land one or two shots, armament aside, they're just the best planes in they're BR range.
Does the ussr mig 19 have afterburner? or just the chineese one?
Every mig 19 have afterburner
Any recommendations on how to be deadly in the g91/r4?
Quick question, just got the 19... ¿Any advice on the ammo belts?
Armored targets seem to spark less
armored all the way
Pure he looks like a good choice but they tend to spark because they explode on contact. Aphe looks like it'll overpen but in reality its fuse is so sensitive it will explode inside the plane.
Armored belt
Armored it is then. Thnx guys!
@@matiasdelafuente3106 I did a little experimenting, and it’s actually a trade-off. HE does immediate damage so it’s good for snapping wings, but the APHE is better at almost anything else, but will give you hits if you can’t hit center mass. Default gives you the best of both-worlds.
Gaijin doing something right!!!!!!
Take a wish.
yes
What would you recommend in a stock MiG19S?
Lmao who is here after it went down?
I see a lot of people compiling about this plane ….. Mig-17 has it a lot worse than the 19
Would you be able to take out the F-40 and show us how to use it in 9.3 currently? I feel like half the time I lose in my F-40 not necessarily because of my own gameplay... but because of American teams consisting of a bunch of people all flying their jets like ground attackers and bombers... and it’s really hampering the fighters
Step 1: drop it and play chad mig 17 or F-5
None of this is any useful. F4 and F5 wallet warriors littered the field and i can do nothing.
Two jet videos after eachother. Let me guess,, you have played enough jets for the rest of the entire year?
Reviewing the MiG-21 is more pratical than MiG-19 - It's such an irony that a predecessor plane is superior than an early variant of its successor.
Mig-21 Is not exactly a succesor, did he replace them? Yes
Which mig 21 do you mean though?
@@ramonnoodles7840 F-13, PFM and the Chinese J-7II
dude, i love f13. it can do everything if you're patient and conscious.
currently tho i'm su7 guy lol. love it smh
DEFYN i dont mean that i dont like your content, but more work with RASOR when?!
Mig-19s is not even close to the same as the J6 without AAM's.
The 19S is probably my least favorite plane in the whole German tech tree, to me it just feels like a boat. At times it even feels like I'm lagging while playing it because of how it maneuvers, could just be me I guess.
I have a dream, that I am better then DEFYN.
What? Krogan can´t have dreams?
The A-5C should totally be 10.0
What about J32B and YS? Are they worth now in 9.7?
meh
This video is cool but i keep getting uptiered to F-5C and other wildly better planes.
Hey why did you post this minutes after I got this plane with the A-5?? Kinda sus 🤨
my guy it's almost 3 years old
Damn. Mayb I should go to bed
can u play he219 a7 in arb?
The German one has no missles ;(
The German one is fine at 9.7
@@quartzlandaker5664 No, its really not
@@quartzlandaker5664 lmao, it has better energy retention/climb rate/ ammo count than others, its the best mig19
And it doesn't need any, those missiles will distract you from doing what it do best, dogfighting