I still don't understand how this channel doesn't have 1 Million Subs. The technological expertise, editing and content has been next level for many years.
Thanks. we wish we did, then we could build cars and do tech every day! Seems vlogs are more popular than high quality production and legit information and research and development.
@@gav240z I think you summed it up perfectly. not everyone wants or cares about high production quality and information that is from proven and reputable sources. Its very bizzare
@@MotiveVideo lots of kids with their TH-cam channels that just waffle about their builds and and changing wheels, then they drive to Starbucks or something and somehow they have 1m subscribers. I think it's a form of escapism living vicariously through those individuals. It really seems like junk food for the brain. Keep up the quality content and the subscriptions will come. Just takes time.
My entire gtr build list is from parts recommended from off this channel, you guys simply make/promote the best products for the RB’s & GTRs. I had high hopes that since gtrs are legal in the states now we would have some great products made in the USA but I don’t know if we’ll ever pass you guys...
Thanks mate. We enjoy knowing we've helped GT-R fans make more reliable and better cars and hope we help people make better buying and modifying decisions
Im also guilty. Ditched the nearly new spitfires for R35 spark plugs, super thech valve springs, tomei poncam b, PRP RBpro crank trigger, which piston material to choose, oil control and lots more. the sine drive pump. I already had a brand new nitto oilpump, but i bought this one, just because its better. I took their tips as guideline. I also made my self a torque plate, just because Herman recommended it. Since Andrew has been so successful with is RB build, i try to use a much parts of is parts list and listen to his, Hermans, Jims or Scotts advices ( beside single turbo, because im keeping the twins) in hopes that my RB build is as good as it could be. Thx guys love your content
Man between companies like Nitto, Platinum, Dahtone Racing, and Motec you can build the sickest RB for a high hp street weapon and still have complete confidence in it's reliability. Bought a Holden station wagon in King's Cross back in the 90's for $500 and toured NS W and Victoria for 3 months with no issues- Ozzie's know how to build quality!
I rate Jim is the best tuner in the country. He's done a few of my cars and the results have always been spectacular. Great video and description from Jim. It's also easy to listen to a calm and thoughtful person.
Interesting to see a different take. I would have thought a sine wave drive would introduce significantly more hoop stress than a regular toothed spline drive, as the main drive force interface appears to be about 70 degrees from tangential so significantly more force is trying to "expand" the pump gear than is trying to rotate it. Obviously not an issue here or they wouldn't have done it but I imagine there were some constraints for their "one pump fits all" approach that led them down this path. I would be very interested to hear why they took this approach over a conventional spline. My guess is they wanted this to accept far more crank runout than the spline design would allow, without taking a lot of meat out of the gear to accommodate the large spline teeth that would be required.
Alex Burns we have designed clearances that allow for crank run out in a spline drive setup. As this independent video outlines. th-cam.com/video/5o4B6vR0lmU/w-d-xo.html.
NiveusLuxLucis certainly tested to 1200hp on an RB30 also at 11k rpm during our own test on RB26. There is no reason why it cannot go to 1400/1500 hp. Used countless times in drifting and drag in Russia also sold world wide since 2014. We have had zero reported gear failures which is a testimony to the strength of the spline drive. We cover most RB oil pumps. They simply work as intended.
The amount of parts there are available for these rb engines is just unreal,lots of R&D,money and testing time involved especially at such a high performance level.Great stuff,here in belgium the early gen gtr like r32 33 34 are pretty rare, i know of one persone who used to own a 600 hp r32 and i ones saw a 4 door for sale but thats a long time ago.I think the import cost from Japan to Belgium is a bit high😅 and driving a RHD car here in dense traffic and small roads is not ideally,you really don't see much imported RHD cars here like in other countries,i wonder if there are any LHD conversions for these gtr's with parts from other nissans?
I don't have a ton of car knowledge or experience yet but I can change brakes, plugs, exhaust, and an oil change. That's the extent of experience I've had so far. Could someone let me know if you need a sine drive crank collar to go with this? I didn't know if the Nitto 2.8 stroker crank would go right into this nitto oil pump or not. Sorry for the newb question. Thank you in advance to anyone who's able to help.
It stresses me whenever new stuff gets made like this because it makes me feel like I need it lol. I want my rb26 to be reliable even though I only plan on making around 600hp. Was plannin on just using billet gears in a stock pump but then i see stuff like this haha Now i dont know what to do.
More great aussie tech. However I can't imagine building a +700kW turbo engine for motorsports use that doesn't use a dry sump. With the cost of everthing else in such an enngine, another $5-6k on a drysump is cheap insurance.
Dry sump uses a lot more space and adds weight though, even though you can move the engine lower to lower the centre of gravity. But I agree that something that makes about a 1000hp which isn't a LS should have a dry sump if possible.
Hear what you're saying but 8.4 and 1300+hp on a wet sump with WARGTR should be enough proof, let alone the copious amounts of 1000+hp GT-Rs built by Maatouks, B2R, MSM, CRD etc in Australia. All wet sump and Nitto pump, mostly the two flats style.
@@MotiveVideo Thanks for the response. And I understand why it’s done (cost and complexity.) But at these power levels (if it were my engine) its not the pump that worries me (speaking as a circuit racer.) Consider: In an 8.5second pass, even the highest flowing oil pump (say 50L/min) is only going to be able to pump a little over 7L. So, with a large enough sump, you can’t run dry and are unlikely to have froth issues in such a short time. Nor is oil temp going to play a significant factor. There are also no lateral loads, so the sump baffles can be designed for acceleration only. All that’s needed is a pump that wont fail (and we’ve got that covered.) Conversely, in circuit racing (time attack is just a fancy name for qualifying) where g-loads are high, you’re at it lap after lap (sometimes for hours,) oil temps need to be managed, …. This is where you need more than just a strong pump, you need a lubrication system that can cope with all those rigours, which is why dry sumps are popular here (obviously.) There are also the performance advantages of pulling a vacuum in the crank case, as a result of less windage. (This is where my comment was more focused.) Fortunately, here in Australia we’re blessed with amazing companies (Ross Performance for example) who make some of the best kits in the business. Also please tell Heman to develop a 1-piece SR20 main cap girdle and drysump pan 😁. the current main cap girdle is awesome, but that would be next level and very tempting for my circuit car. Regards Jordan
@@manitoublack Trust me, I'd love to get a dry sump in my GT-R (if I had one). But one of the biggest problems of trying to get a dry sump in a street application is finding space in the engine bay where to mount the tank which is what I would prefer. But from all the pictures I've seen of the engine bay, I don't think any off-the-shelf dry sump tank is going to fit, even the really small-diameter, super-tall tanks look like they won't fit.
@@MotiveVideo No matter how long Nitto was making pumps. The discussion is about spline drive. The sine design is just to avoid copyrights. It is clear to everyone.
@@АндрейЛеусенко-д4е If you're jealous of Nitto and the fact they're in the world's quickest and most powerful GTRs, thats understandable. But the slander and bullshit needs to stop. It's unprofessional and child like.
You typically see “knock” on limiters that only cut fuel because spark still happens and there’s usually residual fuel and oil in the cylinders. Limiters are a security not to over rev an engine, not somewhere you want to live.
@@griplimit Yeah but when it goes babadababa bang bang bapatabap bap brap baaaaap it makes me smile. :D I understand its bad being a limiter but vroom vroom go bing bang
I still don't understand how this channel doesn't have 1 Million Subs.
The technological expertise, editing and content has been next level for many years.
Thanks. we wish we did, then we could build cars and do tech every day! Seems vlogs are more popular than high quality production and legit information and research and development.
@@MotiveVideo welcome to the internet where the junk food of content is what everyone consumes. 🤣
@@MotiveVideo vlogs = american flogs
@@gav240z I think you summed it up perfectly. not everyone wants or cares about high production quality and information that is from proven and reputable sources. Its very bizzare
@@MotiveVideo lots of kids with their TH-cam channels that just waffle about their builds and and changing wheels, then they drive to Starbucks or something and somehow they have 1m subscribers. I think it's a form of escapism living vicariously through those individuals. It really seems like junk food for the brain.
Keep up the quality content and the subscriptions will come. Just takes time.
Man this channel has some killer content, just facts and straight to the point, no bs
It's great to see continued innovation on the RB engine. Really nice design
My entire gtr build list is from parts recommended from off this channel, you guys simply make/promote the best products for the RB’s & GTRs.
I had high hopes that since gtrs are legal in the states now we would have some great products made in the USA but I don’t know if we’ll ever pass you guys...
Thanks mate. We enjoy knowing we've helped GT-R fans make more reliable and better cars and hope we help people make better buying and modifying decisions
Im also guilty. Ditched the nearly new spitfires for R35 spark plugs, super thech valve springs, tomei poncam b, PRP RBpro crank trigger, which piston material to choose, oil control and lots more.
the sine drive pump. I already had a brand new nitto oilpump, but i bought this one, just because its better. I took their tips as guideline. I also made my self a torque plate, just because Herman recommended it.
Since Andrew has been so successful with is RB build, i try to use a much parts of is parts list and listen to his, Hermans, Jims or Scotts advices ( beside single turbo, because im keeping the twins) in hopes that my RB build is as good as it could be.
Thx guys love your content
Hopefully everyone is still making parts by the time I can afford a GTR....
They are making more now than ever and more still being developed. it wont stop
It’ll be like buying ford flathead parts
@A-a Ron 👍for Key and Peele, A-a Ron! 😆
Lol, by the time you can afford a GTR, you cant?!! the prices just keep going up.
Go dubai or japan bro...alot of gtr abandon to rot and for parts...bring it to yr place and restore bit by bit...
I can listen to him for hours, he's so knowledgeable, this is gonna be in my next build.
Man between companies like Nitto, Platinum, Dahtone Racing, and Motec you can build the sickest RB for a high hp street weapon and still have complete confidence in it's reliability. Bought a Holden station wagon in King's Cross back in the 90's for $500 and toured NS W and Victoria for 3 months with no issues- Ozzie's know how to build quality!
Incredible amount of thought, smart guys wow. Well done.
Jim cracks me up... so knowledgeable and detailed but its like he's holding back on video :)
Jim knows he can’t say what he really thinks and everything he’s seen as it will offend some people. Have to be diplomatic and mature about things.
I rate Jim is the best tuner in the country. He's done a few of my cars and the results have always been spectacular.
Great video and description from Jim. It's also easy to listen to a calm and thoughtful person.
And there I was almost about to 2jz my 33. Thanks guys for the added confidence
Motive always putting out 🔥 RB info and content.
Can we get a dry sump vs wet sump pros cons
Interesting to see a different take. I would have thought a sine wave drive would introduce significantly more hoop stress than a regular toothed spline drive, as the main drive force interface appears to be about 70 degrees from tangential so significantly more force is trying to "expand" the pump gear than is trying to rotate it. Obviously not an issue here or they wouldn't have done it but I imagine there were some constraints for their "one pump fits all" approach that led them down this path. I would be very interested to hear why they took this approach over a conventional spline. My guess is they wanted this to accept far more crank runout than the spline design would allow, without taking a lot of meat out of the gear to accommodate the large spline teeth that would be required.
Watch the video. They explain why they didn’t do spline
Alex Burns we have designed clearances that allow for crank run out in a spline drive setup. As this independent video outlines. th-cam.com/video/5o4B6vR0lmU/w-d-xo.html.
@@SupertecRacing How much power can that setup handle?
NiveusLuxLucis certainly tested to 1200hp on an RB30 also at 11k rpm during our own test on RB26. There is no reason why it cannot go to 1400/1500 hp. Used countless times in drifting and drag in Russia also sold world wide since 2014. We have had zero reported gear failures which is a testimony to the strength of the spline drive. We cover most RB oil pumps. They simply work as intended.
Awesome video, keep them coming!!
Brilliant video , great product 👍👍
All of a sudden a wild Supertec Racing comment appears lol. Very interesting to see a slightly different version on the same theme.
Its actually quote different.
I always look at the spline drive but was very concerned about any crank float causing the gears to start binding
Great quality video, thanks
The amount of parts there are available for these rb engines is just unreal,lots of R&D,money and testing time involved especially at such a high performance level.Great stuff,here in belgium the early gen gtr like r32 33 34 are pretty rare, i know of one persone who used to own a 600 hp r32 and i ones saw a 4 door for sale but thats a long time ago.I think the import cost from Japan to Belgium is a bit high😅 and driving a RHD car here in dense traffic and small roads is not ideally,you really don't see much imported RHD cars here like in other countries,i wonder if there are any LHD conversions for these gtr's with parts from other nissans?
Literally sprayed nos all over me pants just with that opening clip
I don't have a ton of car knowledge or experience yet but I can change brakes, plugs, exhaust, and an oil change. That's the extent of experience I've had so far. Could someone let me know if you need a sine drive crank collar to go with this? I didn't know if the Nitto 2.8 stroker crank would go right into this nitto oil pump or not. Sorry for the newb question. Thank you in advance to anyone who's able to help.
ABSOLUTELY BAD ASS PIECE OF HARDWARE!! WELL DONE FELLAS! i cant respect and admire u guys enuff!
"There is never any driver error" - datalog shows 13,000 rpm on a missed downshift.
hey Motive DVD what happened to Jim, is he still around?
Yeah. Runs Nitto, crews JUNII and Zeus
Enjoyed this... very nice
Can we also have Sine drive for 4g63?
How is this new collar attached to the crank? Press fit or welded?
generally heated then dropped on
This pump sounds like insurance for any RB let alone a silly hp engine.
I rate that jim frm crd soo high he is soo good
Sine and spline share four letters, so clearly that means these very different designs are exactly the same, right?
Lol. Nitto has been making pumps for longer than any spline drive has existed.
@@MotiveVideo So what? How does it ralate to the question?
So what the difference between the nitto sine drive and the supertecracing nitto spline drive and what one would be better
Watch the video.
Having sold 1300+ spline drive kits since 7 years we know that the spline drive definitely works, zero failures.
It stresses me whenever new stuff gets made like this because it makes me feel like I need it lol. I want my rb26 to be reliable even though I only plan on making around 600hp. Was plannin on just using billet gears in a stock pump but then i see stuff like this haha Now i dont know what to do.
Anybody knows how tomei stroker kit with tomei oil pump fares with this problem? It doesn't use extra collar, but seems to be much stronger than OE?
Every pump is stronger than OE. Tomei cranks arent billet though. Seen a few break.
can we get a video for the nitto sr oil pump?
Its coming
Love the info
Wink wink EL Zed will be using these for sure :D
None of his rbs will ever make 1300hp...
@@clutchkickpj693 Don't temp him
More great aussie tech. However I can't imagine building a +700kW turbo engine for motorsports use that doesn't use a dry sump. With the cost of everthing else in such an enngine, another $5-6k on a drysump is cheap insurance.
Dry sump uses a lot more space and adds weight though, even though you can move the engine lower to lower the centre of gravity. But I agree that something that makes about a 1000hp which isn't a LS should have a dry sump if possible.
Hear what you're saying but 8.4 and 1300+hp on a wet sump with WARGTR should be enough proof, let alone the copious amounts of 1000+hp GT-Rs built by Maatouks, B2R, MSM, CRD etc in Australia. All wet sump and Nitto pump, mostly the two flats style.
@@MotiveVideo Thanks for the response. And I understand why it’s done (cost and complexity.) But at these power levels (if it were my engine) its not the pump that worries me (speaking as a circuit racer.)
Consider: In an 8.5second pass, even the highest flowing oil pump (say 50L/min) is only going to be able to pump a little over 7L. So, with a large enough sump, you can’t run dry and are unlikely to have froth issues in such a short time. Nor is oil temp going to play a significant factor. There are also no lateral loads, so the sump baffles can be designed for acceleration only. All that’s needed is a pump that wont fail (and we’ve got that covered.)
Conversely, in circuit racing (time attack is just a fancy name for qualifying) where g-loads are high, you’re at it lap after lap (sometimes for hours,) oil temps need to be managed, …. This is where you need more than just a strong pump, you need a lubrication system that can cope with all those rigours, which is why dry sumps are popular here (obviously.) There are also the performance advantages of pulling a vacuum in the crank case, as a result of less windage. (This is where my comment was more focused.)
Fortunately, here in Australia we’re blessed with amazing companies (Ross Performance for example) who make some of the best kits in the business. Also please tell Heman to develop a 1-piece SR20 main cap girdle and drysump pan 😁. the current main cap girdle is awesome, but that would be next level and very tempting for my circuit car.
Regards
Jordan
Circuit is different. Jim says so and we say and agree so as well.
@@manitoublack Trust me, I'd love to get a dry sump in my GT-R (if I had one). But one of the biggest problems of trying to get a dry sump in a street application is finding space in the engine bay where to mount the tank which is what I would prefer. But from all the pictures I've seen of the engine bay, I don't think any off-the-shelf dry sump tank is going to fit, even the really small-diameter, super-tall tanks look like they won't fit.
Do you need crank collar or will it go straight on my rb30det
Watch the video
Please Please Please do a NITTO 2JZ Billet Oil pump, I'll pay for that any day!
Got any recommendation for jz engines?new stuff?new upgrade??new tech??its hard to even find supra stick...🤤
Chuck it in the bin and get an Rb
@@AdmissionGaming I'll chuck my jz in the bin when I see an RB do a 5s 1/4 mile
For the 2jz stuff try titan,bangers,real st,mazworx or the million other 2jz American shops
@@Realtime1501 time to chuck your jz in the bin they just went 5.97
So what address do I send my gtr to so Motive can build it for me? 😅
As many videos as I watch from you guys I no longer trust anyone in the US, hah!
We don’t have enough time to build
Our own! We have consulted and planned out a lot of builds for people though
@@MotiveVideo wanna consult with me and my RB26 S30 project? 🇦🇺🤔
I lost a 600hp rb25 neo_fresh build due to stubbornness of not changing the oil pump.
🤦♂️
Yes yes yes yes
crank need to be shave off to fit the sine drive?
yup
All collars and other spline drives require it. This was done on purpose as their new style
intro music on spotify?
Alls all royalty free production music that we pay for. We dont steal music or use it without a license.
Found anything? :)
if my car makes 30 wheel kilowatts do i need to upgrade to a billet oil pump when i put a pod filter and anti roll bars on it?
Awesome 😎
Now please tell me that you have price for it and that is not only for nitto pump but n1 and oem too and I'll be the happiest men on earth.
What Diff and axles do they use ? Hardly still gtr ?
Matouk done 6.5s and 2000 HP on Nissan OEM diff and axles
Supertec did it first.....👀
Nitto has been doing pumps for long before they did. Their new design is different, so no.
@@MotiveVideo supertec literally just copy and pasted 2jz pump, wouldn't have done half the R&D nitto does.
@@MotiveVideo No matter how long Nitto was making pumps. The discussion is about spline drive. The sine design is just to avoid copyrights. It is clear to everyone.
@@AdmissionGaming Are you a part of Supertec to be so familiar with their R&D? As far as I know their spline drive became available back in 2014.
@@АндрейЛеусенко-д4е If you're jealous of Nitto and the fact they're in the world's quickest and most powerful GTRs, thats understandable. But the slander and bullshit needs to stop. It's unprofessional and child like.
Ah, so one can finally bounce off 9K redline all day?
Nothing you do to an RB will let oyu bounce off limiter all day. limiter is not good for an engine. Any engine. no engine loves it.
You typically see “knock” on limiters that only cut fuel because spark still happens and there’s usually residual fuel and oil in the cylinders. Limiters are a security not to over rev an engine, not somewhere you want to live.
Most RBs in NZ and Au have been killed by people who think like this 🤣😂
@@griplimit Yeah but when it goes babadababa bang bang bapatabap bap brap baaaaap it makes me smile. :D I understand its bad being a limiter but vroom vroom go bing bang
@ChrisHallett83 They also make 150hp
*Cough* Supertec *Cough*
Sounds like a real bad sore throat mate
How many kids needed to be sacrifice to buy one?
AuA +297