Pinned Comment: -Whoops, forgot Lancer also knows the Legend if you refuse to listen to Ralsei. Probably doesn't affect any of my Geoff conclusions, but figured I'd point it out. -Before writing any comments that use Geoff's Twitter take-over as proof of him being "real," keep in mind that Toby has stated that tweets are non-canon. -Geoff ruining the narrative by being "real" is not equivalent to our choices not mattering as a result of the timeloop. The former is bad because it tells us that DELTARUNE's characters don't matter. The latter is fine because it's a tragedy we experience alongside the characters.
I don't think Lancer knows the prophecy at all. He just says that all they gotta know is that he's the bad guy. Likely his dad the Kard King told him this.
haven't finished the video yet and will edit/delete my comment if you address it, but what if the soul is just an avatar that we are connecting to/represents us? Of course, that still conflates fiction with reality, but I feel like that would keep the metanarrative without breaking peoples suspension of belief. Kind of in a similar way that DDLC does it.
can't believe people got mad at calling gaster "mystery man" when the sprite that everybody uses for gaster is LITERALLY CALLED "spr_mysteryman" EDIT: also Geoff is the best name for deltarune gaster hands down
That was precisely the reason people didn't like that. The reasoning was he wanted to avoid calling the voice Gaster, but then proceeded to call him a name that everyone already associates with Gaster anyways. I found that amusing but apparently some others didn't...
I can't believe he just called the voice Geoff, it's like he doesn't even believe in gaster. Also I acnt believe he just called him gaster before, everyone blames gaster for everything
I don't think Geoff is implied to literally summon the player's SOUL, but rather that he summoned or created a SOUL-like method for the player to control in the world. That way, he acknowledges the player, but doesn't transcend beyond the fourth wall anymore than Sans facing the camera while it zooms in Undertale, or Flowey directly talking to us outside of the game.
It’s possible sans facing the camera is him looking at a camera Alphys put down, since he worked together with her, and would know where any camera is.
Exactly, it's not _literally_ our soul, it's just a representation of us in universe that we can control. Kinda like a lesser vessel, supposedly originally meant to be put in the bigger vessel he had us make for him.
As a counterargument to Toby Fox not involving the actual player, I think that’s exactly what happens at the end of Undertale’s genocide route when you make a compromise with Chara to bring the world back and play the soulless route. They reference YOUR human soul and while I think that loses its effect if used too much, I think at the heart of these games that’s exactly the point. We ARE a part of the story as players and even though we didn’t actually commit murder, the emotions we feel are real and our connection to fiction that we allow ourselves to have creates very real impacts on our lives.
that was exactly my thoughts; i have a really hard time going with the train of thought that the fictional world doesn’t impact our world, bc like you said, that is the precedence that undertale set. not to mention that the soul in both games are more of a vessel for the player, regardless of if it belongs to kris/frisk or not
Yeah but the point is that in-universe, the soul that is being sold to Chara is Frisk's. That conversation is between Frisk and Chara. In the soulless pacifist ending it's not my real body that gets possessed by Chara, it is Frisk's. The player is there as a metaphor, Chara is a metaphor for certain players, Flowey is a metaphor for some other kind of players, but the point is that none of them are IN-UNIVERSE you. It's just a softer kind of meta compared to some other games where some character straight up tells you "hey, I know this is a videogame".
@@godoatthegoat2884 you are saying that like its fact when its just an interpretation. especially since its pick and choose when you decide what benefits that view. such as flowey mentioning the one controlling frisk.
Right? Like it isn't saying he's bringing Deltarune to our real world, it's brining US (a player) into the video game world of Deltarune. That part of the theory bothered me so much 😂 And Gaster didn't steal our soul, he just used us (a PLAYER) as the new controller of Kris. Kris is now US but in the world of Deltarune. Our soul and choices are the only connection to our world and the Deltarune world. We can only impact the Deltarune world and Kris. Our choices matter to that world.
The soul isn’t the players actual soul, it’s a representation of the player. It’s what the player has control through, but not part of the player themself.
I personally believe Faint Courage exists to create a larger tonal dissonance between the normal game over and Gaster's "then the world was covered in darkness". The different and more somber feel of Darkness Falls becomes more unsettling when compared to the hopefulness of Faint Courage.
I don't think the soul in the beginning being the "players" soul is too far fetched to say. Sure, "Geoff" didn't literally take his hand through my computer screen and pull me in, but we made CONTACT with him by installing the game and booting it up. In a meta sense we quite literally make contact with Geoff by installing deltarune itself. Atleast, thats what I think
I don't think "Geoff" could take a player or a human to the vessel creation by force because some of his dialogue suggests that he couldn't like asking "ARE WE CONNECTED" and "EXCELLENT" which implies that he has to check if the red soul is connected which wouldn't make much sense when he could force a human soul to connect with him.
Personally, I much rather believe that Geoff didn't summon us in the first place; we simply appeared, and he simply took that opportunity to speak with us and place us in a vessel.
I don't see why him establishing a connection with us to put the player in a soul of some kind would be far-fetched and immersion-breaking, but the implication (from the tweets from the Undertale account) that Geoff is fully aware of, and capable of navigating, a space beyond the confines of the game (he's been 'looking for us', remember) is not.
I feel like it's worth mentioning that KEYGEN is likely a reference to real life key generators. In real life, key generating websites that were used to unlock illegal copies of software and games, often used a song called "Unreal superhero 3". If you listen to both, KEYGEN sounds very similar.
I wish he actually looked up Keygen before making that section. He tries to tie it in not realizing that Keygen is actually just a thing for generating product keys.
I have a feeling that the reason the Game Over screen changed is the same that got the file select menu changed. They are both situations were the interface became less meta and more "gamey", and they could have happened at the same time.
I love how Toby has set such a precedent for everything in his work being deliberate that something as simple as a UI change sends massive ripples throughout potential theories
to play devil’s advocate, calling the voice ‘mystery man’ is basically the same as calling him gaster since the sprite everyone assumes to be gaster was named mystery man in the files
i love how your theories always, without fail, make me go "jesus christ Jaru what the hell are you talking abou- oh, that actually kinda makes sense. nevermind"
Regarding AUDIO_INTRONOISE: I think it's noteworthy that this is one of the very few voicelines in Undertale and Deltarune. The most prevalent characters who speak audible words are Flowey, Jevil and Spamton, all of which have gained some kind of forbidden knowledge about their worlds. This could further hint at Gaster/Geoff having meta knowledge about the world of Deltarune. (But then, there is also Mettaton who is able to audibly speak so idk. You could argue that since Mettaton is a machine with an injected soul, he did get knowledge outside the confines of being a machine. He is aware of physically being only a machine, in the same way that Flowey/Jevil/Spamton might be somewhat aware of being only characters in a video game. But I understand that this is a bit of a stretch.)
actually, Mettaton isn't a machine with an injected soul! he is simply a ghost possessing a robotic puppet. this is backed up by the diaries in "Nabstablook's cousin's house" which describe a person abandoning their family to ascend to stardom (at the help of Alphys), as well as Bratty's and Catty's dialogue discussing how after Mettaton was supposedly just made, MTT and Alphys were already acting like old friends. If you keep all this in mind and watch the events at the tail end of Mettaton's own bossfight, the first caller was obviously Nabstablook, Mettaton sure seemed to recognize them, and called out "Bl-" (presumably saying Blooky?) as the caller hung up. as the final nail in the coffin, Mettaton and Mad Mew Mew are described as eating ghost food together in the canon winter alarm clock dialogue. in short, MTT and Alphys go out of their way to make the public think MTT is a robot with a soul, but that's just not true. (if you want to you could use this as fuel for "Alphys lies and is a bad person", otherwise you could use it as fuel for "Alphys respects their friend's wishes and is a good person.) sorry if this came across a a little overbearing or toxic. I know I've been seen that way before, and I genuinely mean this in the best way possible, trying to be as constructive as I can in disproving the spread of misinformation.
@@nathanielkershner5904 You're absolutely right! I somehow forgot about that when making the comment, thanks for pointing that out. I'd argue that claiming a soul was "injected" into a machine is still not completely wrong, as a ghost possessing a machine is just one way to "inject" one's soul into an object (while still being in control of course). But yeah, Mettaton's soul certainly belongs to Nabstablook's cousin and he is the one controlling Mettaton.
I don't think "Geoff" could take a player or a human to the vessel creation by force because some of his dialogue suggests that he couldn't like asking "ARE WE CONNECTED" and "EXCELLENT" which implies that he has to check if the red soul is connected which wouldn't make much sense when he could force a human soul to connect with him.
34:31 the whole "ralsei's putting on a performance" thing has always been something i thought about in the back of my head, but the association with the 8-bit NES RPG-like music just makes it so much stronger, i never fully realized that until now great observation dude
I think the soul in the intro scene might be artificial, synthetic in some way. It sounds like a logical extension of Gaster's research into souls, determination, and time-space.
I'm at the beggining of the video, and while I agree with your points regarding GEOFF not being able to summon your ACTUAL soul, I think the soul is more meant to serve as your metaphorical connection and influence over the game. The reason why a soul is chosen(especially the red, heart), in my theory, is that we, as the "player" are familiar with that imagery from UNDERTALE. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the twitter tweets just before Deltarune's release mention stuff like "you have me waiting" or "I have been looking for you aswell", which would suggest that GEOFF is simply aware of the fact that the majority of people first experiencing this game were most awaiting something linking it to UNDERTALE, hence the way your connection to the world is represented. This is further supported by the fact that Toby Fox himself reccomends playing UNDERTALE before playing DELTARUNE
I'm inclined to view the Twitter stuff as non-canon, as Toby has said such things were non-canon in the past. Plus, there's a big difference between metaphor and plot.
I think people get that gaster quoat wrong He says "You have been searching for me" "I have as well" I believe gaster is saying that he is also searching for himself as he is shattered through time and space
This was amazing. Usually I watch Jaru videos in the background over time due to their length, but I watched this one in a single sitting, giving it my full attention. Thank you Jaru, for all of the work you put into youtube.
What if (and I have literally no evidence for this), the intro scene with the vessel is us "creating" "ralsei" in the master dark fountain, but it just ends up discarded and actually replaced by the ralsei we know in game? The background looks very much like a dark fountain, and with the "you're about to meet someone very interesting," line for Susie, Kris, and Noelle, I think it'd make sense that we're creating ralsei (or a prototype, before being taken over by someone else). Again, no actual evidence, purely speculation, but I think it would make for an interesting plot twist!
It's important to consider that Kris is interested in magic rituals and Asgore is heavily hinted to have occultist practices/secrets in his house and messing with the dark worlds. Like father, like son.
That would also draw in the idea that Ralsei is who Kris wanted to be. The one who Kris never could be, because "Nobody can choose who they are in this world."
it literally just means sound test mus_st_him it's also a final fantasy reference, in composition, and in the circumstances somewhat, because the whole soundtest thing feels dreamy.
The “FRIEND” being related to Geoff parallels him and Flowey even more since they both spy on you and disappear very quickly if you walk to see them doing so. The fact that they share such a specific detail like that is convincing to me.
I honestly think FRIEND is flowey, Flowey is known to shapeshift his face into everything (not just humans and monsters) plus the basement is the only part of chapter 2 where you see foliage (probably vines) and the fact that Photochop Flowey is severely connected to machinery and wiring (probably more foreshadowing on AUDIO_DRONE theory) which could be related to his enviroment in chapter 2 wheres its set in a computer room in the library. and lastly for the fact that hes notorious for syping on the player in UNDERTALE
It occurred to me, that Kris probably doesn't like who they are, so maybe this intro sequence is about Kris dreaming about who they want to be. Only to be cut off with brutal real life "No one chooses who they are in this world"
I think there is definitely a way for the soul to be ours without completely breaking immersion. Geoff could’ve created an artificial soul, and have us control it. It’s all done in-universe and accomplishes the same result of it being “our” soul.
Maybe he was using the "questionaire" at the beginning to approximate what our soul was gonna be like in order to create an artificial clone from our soul in the real world in-game as you said 🤔
@@schalomforever It would make sense. For example, he asks us to choose a gift to sus out what we value most, asks us how we feel about the vessel to see how compassionate we are, and "do you acknowledge the possibility of pain and seizure" is pretty self-explanatory.
I think the theory of the soul belonging to the player can be taken as metaphorical. Geoff isn't literally taking your soul, you are putting your soul into the game by chosing to take part in it. This would also line up with the soul being a symbol of the player's influence, and the player being in control of ONLY the soul and not Kris. There is the issue that souls in Undertale are seemingly literal, and that separating one's physical soul from their body has happened in Undertale, but this may not be how things work in Deltarune as there are clearly differences in how these worlds work as monsters can now bleed
Noelle not having anything to say to Kris after a Game Over could hints towards the future in the game. If Ralsei and Susie are with Kris in the future, but not Noelle, then it could make sense how she gets no special Game Over Dialogue.
Regarding the soul in the intro being the player’s “soul”: In Toby Fox’s world, it is possible that “souls” are substantially different from souls in our world. Souls are physical objects in the fictional world, for one, and the act of us, the players, manifesting a soul when we open the game may be more “we are now committing to be emotionally invested in this story and that manifests as a “soul” in this world” and less “Toby Fox is claiming ownership of your irl soul”. Especially in Deltarune, with its themes of narrative and layers of fiction, a being from a world lighter than the Light World itself may have the ability to manifest a soul-like object from something less than their literal, actual soul. Not saying you have to believe that’s the “player’s “soul”” (read as: a heart-shaped object manifested from an irl player when they allow themselves to be emotionally invested in a story, also has strong ties to the themes of narrative, fiction, and control) originates from the player; it could very well be an in-game character’s physical soul. Just saying that if it does NOT come from an in-game character, that doesn’t mean Toby expects you to believe that your LITERAL SOUL is up for grabs.
It'll be hilarious if we get a final battle with the Knight, and he declares himself to be called by several things, which he lists, including Gaster; then he concludes with: But you may call me GEOFF.
20:09 the idea of something fictional or created coming to life in a way is present throughout Deltarune. The darkeners for example. When you name your vessel after yourself, Geoff seems to think it makes sense to do so, implying the player truly is meant for embody said vessel rather than overwriting Kris. There’s also the fact that something you designed (Trash Machine), ended up returning later on means there’s a chance for your designed vessel to return.
I always interpreted "GALLERY" to mean Rouge's Gallery. A collection of foes/criminals. This song only plays when the two main chapter antagonists are, **arguably** at their most villanous. It just reminds me of that thing Toby said. About how he imagined Kris and the others running up the stairs past previous chapters bosses up to the knight. Running past their rouge's gallery, you might say
There certainly could be a possibility that the Image_friend dude could possess spamton. When spamton in his shop said something like "can anyone hear me, help.." his eyes weren't colored in a similar way to the "friend's" eyes.
""Geoff"" is my favorite Deltarune character (Seriously tho calling intro guy goeff so no one complains is genius and now I'm going to call him goeff has well)
Great video as always! When it comes to my personal interpretation as to why Toby created Faint Courage I think I fall into the “there will be a new game over screen each chapter” category especially given that the chip tune instrumentation and pixel art “Game Over” kinda fit with the whole “cyber” theme of chapter two. He could just be doing it to spice things up, or perhaps it’s meant to symbolize how dying here would result in the Cyber World fountain specifically contributing to the Roaring, which could also apply to future versions of the theme. On another note, I’d like to offer a sort of middle ground option on the subject of what the soul summoned in the intro to the game is. My idea is this: the soul is not literally the players’ but is instead a conduit of sorts that allows us to connect to the world. As to who this soul belongs to, perhaps it simply belongs to the vessel that we create, as they do appear to be human. Of course I’m not entirely sure how this works given that we do seem make the vessel, and, according to Undertale at least, soul power cannot be created artificially. But, perhaps what’s actually happening in the intro is not us creating the vessel, but simply customizing their look and personality. After all the only physical features of theirs that we can change are their hair style, which can be easily changed, and whether their left leg or right leg appear to be bigger which could be contributed to the size of their pant leg instead. This idea suggests that the player is involved, but that the person in the intro does not do anything to us that we know is not actually happening.
I agree with your interpretation on that middle ground a lot. It's clear from both the twitter interactions and the ingame interactions that we are being interfaced with by Gaster, not forcibly pushed into the role. We don't have control over other characters or how certain events will happen, but we do have autonomy over ourselves continuing to play the game. That's where I differ from both hypotheticals. I don't think some non-meta ingame entity is controlling Kris because that would be boring and bash against some worldbuilding that's been established up to this point, nor do I think that the player's soul is directly in the game metaphorically because that's simply ludicrous. We are connecting to Gaster, Kris's soul, and the world of Deltarune of our own accord, and our actions are highlighted as such ingame. We can shut it off at any point, it's not a virus or unstoppable game that takes over our controls. If anything we're doing that to the game. But Gaster wants us to interface, which brings up a lot of unanswerable questions.
Ok wait I just had an idea. The connection between Flowey and Geoff has been made. What if Geoff has been following us like Flowey did in specific Undertale spots? The eggs, the one smile thing in the Queen’s basement, manipulation characters like Spamton. Totally could just not happen, but an idea. Also, I haven’t watched the entire video, if Jaru did say that, I’m not the at far yet.
What this? A new jaru jaru video? On my birthday?! What are the odds! And it's a big hour long one about Gaster too. This is the best birthday gift i could have gotten! Thank you!
12:30 honestly this section just convinced me that whoever the person who deletes your goner character is the actual antagonist and judging the change in text and etc, it isnt "Geoff"
Amazing video Jaru! You hit the nail right on the head when it comes to break the immersion. Like you said, Toby’s games don’t OUTRIGHT break the fourth wall, rather they take place in universes that function with rules that allows for meta commentary. With this in mind, Here’s my mini proposition of what Gaster “summoning” the player is meant to be. If Flowey is meant to parallel the player, maybe Geoff is meant to parallel the game developer himself, Toby. Instead of bringing the players soul, he instead essentially PROGRAMS a player controller and slaps that bad boy onto Kris’s soul. It’s similar to object oriented programming in game dev. Instead of re-programming movement for every NPC , you instead make a separate component and slap that code onto anything you want to have movement in game. Assuming Gaster didn’t make the ENTERITY of deltarune. (Which I personally don’t agree with) it kinda makes him more like a rom hacker or modder rather than a game dev. Which is a really cool idea when you consider how toby got into game development and his previous attitude towards dataminers when UNDERTALE first came out. Sorry for the info dump, This whole video got me brainstorming, Have a good night ❤
"Before the story" was actually used in the "UNDERTALE - RUINS dynamic theme" for the playstation 4. It's only a background for your menu on PS4, but it could still be relevant to deltarune. Wait... "Before the story." Unused track in undertale.. Before deltarune. Before it's story. Was undertale.
You bringing up Kris's connection to "Courage" got me thinking. What if, like many believe, that red soul doesn't belong to Kris, and the reason they resist it so much is because it isn't even the right color? In Undertale, thanks to the golf mini game, the color orange (often associated with the orange soul) is associated with "Bravery". What if Kris's original soul was orange before it was replaced with this red one? Just a thought.
Oh also funfact The only unskippable dialogue IN THE ENTIRE GAME is another him intro sequence dialogue, death screen and that's all. Only Ga- Uh Geoff cannot be skipped. That shows he has power beyond the game, like us.
My interpretation of the opening was that Gast- I mean 'Geoff', created an artificial soul for the player to control, and then he planted the artificial soul controlled by the player into Kris.
The "chara" thing blew my mind... It's literally just a joke playing on the files' names. It has nothing to do with the actual fallen child lol. IT'S SHORT FOR "CHARACTER" FFS I CANT BELIEVE I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS THE ACTUAL NAME
Didn't Chara already break the fourth wall in UNDERTALE by attacking the Player themselves, since the window shakes when they attack as if it was the target of their attack and the window seems to function as a conduit between the game and the player?
What if Deltarune (the program on your desktop) is a program to control a soul that is no one's? Or just Kris' soul? Then all Geoff did was upload that program for people in the real world to control the soul in Deltarune's world. The soul doesn't need to be literally the player's actual soul for the soul to technically be "theirs"
I'd agree with you on the whole "Geoff cannot drag real-world players' souls into the game" if it was Geoff actually *doing* the dragging. Geoff does nothing to force us to participate except contacting and persuading us. Geoff reached out. We, the players, are the ones who make the effort of connecting to the world of Deltarune by running the Survey Program. You are an individual, willing conspirator in Geoff's game. By installing Deltarune, you've consented to Geoff's terms. By participating in the fiction of Deltarune, you are, in a way, offering up your SOUL -- fitting for a game that's all ABOUT people's relationships with fiction/dark worlds. Remember what the game says in its installer. "YOU WILL ACCEPT EVERYTHING FROM NOW ON." There isn't a single character that can diegetically read that text, except a being outside the story. In other words, it's meant for the player to see. Not Kris. Not Susie. Not Ralsei. But us.
it stands out to me how upon chapter 2 various menu elements (+ game over song) gets more "gamey", perhaps it has somehting to do with sealing the fountains, as the normal file select screen happens only after chapter 1's fountain is sealed?
What if the Vessel was never actually discarded, but was actually the vessel for this "Geoff" entity? And the Dark crystals we collect are shards of this character?
I think that your interpretation is interesting, although I still think everyone is making some of these concepts too complicated. I think that Geoff summoned us (literally through the original link he posted on Twitter leading to the deltarune chapter 1 site) with the intention of creating a vessel for us to go into deltarune and stop the timeloop, but someone else stopped him and decided that it would be better to do this through Kris. It's possible in previous runs of the timeloop that Kris and Susie never enter a dark world or never become friends, and the roaring happens some other way, this person that might be working with Geoff could see an opportunity for the player to get more out of playing as Kris, as the vessel doesn't look fully human and it may be difficult for it to make friends with a monster and ralsei in order to fulfill the prophecy. I think the reason that Kris looks like they are struggling so much after removing the players soul is because the procedure of putting us inside of Kris was never tested, never supposed to happen even, and thus has changed Kris and their body, making it harder to function. It's possible that the vessel didn't already have a soul to begin with, and the player was meant to act as the only soul inhabiting it, but with Kris there was already an existing soul, think about how if you stretch a plastic bag to hold more than it can handle, when you remove half the stuff from the bag it's still stretched out.
Great video as always, I was never super into deltarune lore until I found your content Also an out of context quote I wanted to call attention to: "If you die alone, no encouragement is given"
Alright first of all I just want to say, this video is absolutely incredible. I love all of the theories and I learned quite a few things that I wasn't aware of. BUT HOLY CRAP EVERYTHING JARU SAID ABOUT AUDIO_APPEARANCE (9:33) JUST GAVE ME THE BIGGEST DR BRAINBLAST OF ALL TIME! So I consider myself a self-proclaimed Chara fanatic, (I actually made a vid called "Chara - Undertale's Usurper" if you want to check that out) and so when Chara gets brought up I tend to naturally start overanalyzing things. The reason I'm bringing this up is I've never really thought too much about some of the possible parallels between Chara and... Geoff... Anyways, one thing I just want to get out of the way is Chara's name. I agree that I don't think Toby wants to force the name "Chara" onto every player. My interpretation of Chara is that they are meant to mirror the player in a way, which is why we are able to name them. I think the main reason Toby put in a "true name" at all was actually just to make discussion easier. The Fallen Human can get a bit annoying to say after awhile, so I think he decided on the name Chara, short for Character, so we had a name we could all use even though Chara can have a different name in everyone's playthroughs. Even if that interpretation is wrong, there needs to be SOME reason why Toby even put in a "true name" in the first place, so I'll just continue to call The Fallen Child, "Chara." Now onto my Big Brain Blast. So something Jaru started talking about that caught my attention was the relationship between the red soul and... Geoff. Overall I agree with Jaru, I don't think the red soul is literally meant to represent the players soul, but I think Geoff may be aware of the player. Let me explain my case. So something else Jaru mentions is that Flowey and Chara may be aware of the player to some degree. I actually don't think that's the case for Flowey however. Throughout the game there is a lot of evidence of Chara being present within Frisk. Ignoring the obvious stuff in the genocide route, there's also the flashback to Asriel in waterfall, the game over screens, Chara's name being in the save menu, the dream of Asgore you can see when you go back to bed after fighting Toriel, and the full flashback to Asriel and Chara meeting at the end of True Pacifist. When Flowey talks to you and asks you not to reset, he calls you "Chara." (Or whatever you named Chara) He isn't aware of the player, but he seems aware of Chara, and he also seems to believe Chara is the one with the ability to Reset. I think when we "SAVE" him, he experienced that flashback and eventually realized that Chara was somehow the one actually behind it, and he also realizes that it must have been Chara's DETERMINATION that overrode his own ability to save. This is why I think Chara represents the player. If Frisk is the main_chara being controlled, then the true_chara is the player actually pulling the strings. That's how it looks to Flowey at least. So basically, I don't think Flowey is actually aware of the player. Where I do agree with Jaru though is Chara being aware of the player, at least in the genocide ending. Throughout the genocide run it is constantly implied that Chara has full control over Frisk, but in the genocide ending Chara contradictly (guess I can't figure out how to spell this) says that you were the one who guided them. This has led me to believe that in-universe, Chara is not talking to Frisk as a stand in for the player, but is instead talking to the player directly. It's hard to give an exact logical reason why Chara is able to become aware of us, the best I can come up with is that because they are directly connected to us and they have grown so powerful, they just kinda become aware. I can understand why some may find that hard to believe, but Frisk looking into the mirror while saying "It's me, Chara" and then Chara telling Frisk that they are the one responsible after Flowey ranted about Chara's "stolen soul" just doesn't make sense to me. So, I think Chara is aware of the player, so how does that connect back to Geoff? Selling Souls. At the end of the genocide route, Chara asks for our soul. As Jaru said though, since Chara is a fictional character they can't literally take our soul through the screen. There is another soul however, that technically belongs to us. Frisks soul. We are able to sell the soul of another entity that is under our control, to another superior entity. And this is where things started to click for me. Chara refers to themself as a demon in the second genocide ending. Demons are known for making contracts, that tend to involve selling the soul. The Devil is also associated with sixes, just like... Geoff. When SURVEY_PROGRAM first came out it quite literally made it feel like you were making some kind of deal with the devil in order to install it. "YOU WILL ACCEPT EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS FROM NOW ON." This time however, I don't think we were the ones who sold a soul. I think Geoff... sold Kris's soul... to us. And the most horrifying part of all of this, is the implication that Gaster may have had some control over Kris before we came into the picture. I mean Geoff crap. But before you freak out I'm not saying that I think this means that the third entity theory is confirmed or anything like that. When we sell Frisk's soul to Chara, Chara seems to gain control over us since they can fully take over if you try to do True Pacifist. If Geoff gave up Kris's soul to us, then I think we should ultimately have the most control. What I think is really the takeaway of this theory, is that it could explain why Toriel says that Kris has spent large amounts of time alone for some reason, implying that they have been removing their soul for awhile. If Kris was being controlled by Geoff, they may have started removing their soul then to free themself from his control. The other takeaway from this theory, is that somehow we are a crucial part of Geoff's plan. Geoff had control over a human soul and a hero of legend. Somehow though, giving us access to the world of Deltarune through Kris, was more important to him. That's all the relatively safe stuff I could come up with on my own, but I thought I could make this a bit more fun by tying it in with one of Jaru's theories. I spent a bit of time thinking about what could possibly be of more use to Geoff than Kris? What could we do that he can't? Why gamble something as valuable as Kris's soul on the player? Perhaps, it's the ability to take control of other party members. Maybe, he wants us to manipulate Noelle, so he can get to Dess. If we can make Noelle stronger, then perhaps she'll gain a newfound Determination to search for her sister on her own. As Noelle continues venturing into dark worlds, Geoff could potentially get into direct contact with Noelle. Geoff could help lead Noelle to Dess, in exchange for Noelle's soul. With Noelle's soul as a hostage, Geoff could convince Dess to give up her own soul. If Jaru's theory is right and Dess was the original "hero of legend" then with her soul, Geoff would gain an abundance of DETERMINATION. With that power... he could do anything. Annnnndddd, that's all I had to say! I'm gonna go work on a horrifyingly complex Sans focused video now, yippee.
But what if : undertale and deltarune were just similar enough. What if we wanted even more *POWER* What if we get tired of Kris What if we were to break Noelle What if we fuse our SOUL with hers. Aha-hahahahahaha!!!
@@Azrael_66666 I mean....everything just clicked for me. -Kris can remove the SOUL but he always puts it somewhere where we can't escape. -Doing a Weird Route makes Noelle afraid of the scary entity (us) possessing Kris so maybe she's gonna try to exorcise Kris or something. -According to Undertale a monster with a human SOUL is a "horrible beast with unfathomable power". You see where i am coming from yet? Aha-hahahahaha!
I'm totally behind the soul in the intro being from Kris and the whole "selling your soul to a demon" thing, but I think you're forgetting to consider the vessels in the rest of your analysis. After all, its seems like Geoff's original plan was to have the soul inhabit one of those vessels and not Kris, so we can't really assume his goal had anything to do with Kris or the people of hometown. Now the person who interrupted Geoff on the other hand...
10:57 Unless you, as the player are allowing yourself to be absorbed into the story In this interpretation of events the soul is a symbol of how people in the real world use fiction to escape from the real world
I gotta say: only a quarter into this video and its amazing how well put together and edited this video is, that in tandem with the topic of discussion makes this an absolute treat. I also had NO idea Flowey used twitter, and I've been on the deltarune theory train since chapter 1, which wasn't that long ago, but is still years
12:16 there exists a theory that the voice who tells you can’t choose is a different person altogether (different way of speaking in the JP version and different font/capitalization). So that could throw a wrench into your theory there
11:23 "That didn’t happen, and there is nothing Toby Fox can do to make me believe otherwise." **Toby Fox heading to Jaru's house to rip out his heart like Scorpion:** "Disprove this, you f______ casual."
I think that the wallpaper of Kris, Susie and Ralsei near the fountain depicts the "Three heroes apear at worlds' edge and banish the angel's heaven" moment, the ending of DELTARUNE.
Jaru, the theory is that the soul is what you use to control Kris. Nobody thought that it is their literal soul. When in the cage, you control the soul.
I think the soul belongs to the player, not in the sense that Geoff reached into the real world and grabbed the player's soul, but in the sense that Geoff took an in-universe soul and gave it to the player to use. So the soul belongs to the player, even though they aren't using it to stay alive and feel emotions. It's their in-universe vessel basically, what they control fundamentally, before Kris or their companions.
Gaster could absolutely "summon" the player to Deltarune. He already did, way back in 2018 when he used our curiosity about what was happening with Toby Fox's Twitter, eager for any hint of Undertale 2. I always interpreted those events as Gaster "luring" the Undertale fanbase into whatever scheme he had planned. Put another way, he didn't literally summon the Player, he tempted them by giving them SURVEY PROGRAM. Once the Player runs the Program, they enter the world of Deltarune of their own volition. There's a sense in which you could call this "summoning", but not in the magical sense of being involuntarily pulled into the story.
Regarding the Fallen Child's name: Toby Fox's doodles from development posted on his twitter (dated December 4, 2020 if anyone wants to double check) also refer to them by the name Chara. So it's not entirely fanon thought to be canon. Though yes, the name definitely comes from the term 'character'.
Something I want to mention (that I have no idea if you’ve ever mentioned before I’m only just recently getting into and binging your channel) but the strange kaleidoscope thing that shows up during the vessel creation is very reminiscent of the kaleidoscope fog thing that is in area exiting Snowdin where you fight papyrus in undertale. I’ve never heard this mentioned before by anyone but I thought it may be evidence for a connection between papyrus and gaster
The geoff thing actually worked! There were so many moments where if you replaced the word geoff with gaster, i would've eyerolled reflexively, where with Geoff they flow naturally. I think the UT/DR community has instilled in me gasterphobia
Since you put so much effort into these huge videos I'm gonna just collect all of my ranodm thoughts into a huge comment to match. :p Geoff is my favourite Deltarune character. As a random note, the connection between Spamton and Gaster is more concretely established, I feel, after Andrew Cunningham pointing out that Gaster's Theme literally IS the "freedom motif" that is in Jevil and Spamton's battle themes. Makes you think. I also agree wholeheartedly that the soul cannot be the player's. I'm 120% on board with the "the player is diagetical to Undertale/Deltarune" thing, but that connection only goes one way, with us being able to influence the game via our keyboards/controllers. The game's influence on US is purely emotional/communicative (in an illusory way of course). It wouldn't make any sense or be consistent at all with Undertale's strategy for how it uses metafiction to engross players. Undertale takes a lot of pains to weave this semi-contradictory web of literalism and metaphoricalism when it comes to how the characters in the game break the fourth wall, and that helps to keep up the illusion that the characters can directly communicate with us without destroying our immersion. When Flowey says he FEELS AS THOUGH he's in a video game in Genocide Route, but he LITERALLY speaks to us at the end of True Pacifist, this creates a feeling of contradictory confusion in us which makes the process "blurry" and easier to accept. The soul being the player's soul would be a hard 180 turn on this sort of writing strategy and it would be a lot less effective, because it would be completely literal without any metaphor. It wouldn't be acceptable for the reasons you talk about. Also I love how you call them the Fallen Child instead of Chara lmfao, god bless. It's something I'd love to do, it's just so dang cumbersome when talking about the character so often. I've NEVER seen anybody propose that the intro sequence takes place after the Roaring and is a flash-forward, and would love to hear any further thoughts on what specifically you think that would be used for. :o Another fascinating thing I suddenly realize is that in EARTHBOUND, which heavily inspired Undertale and Deltarune, the characters take their souls and put them inside robot bodies in order to time travel into the far past to kill Giygas in his infancy. You talking about the Mystery Future Human(TM) putting their soul in a vessel for a mission has some VERY INTERESTING PARALLELS to this idea from Earthbound that really seriously excites me. 8) "JARU ANALYSIS!!!" in evil red font had me laughing out loud lmfao, love it. That's what we're here for! My initial thoughts on the Chapter 2 game over theme are pretty much just that for Chapter 1, the track represents Geoff specifically, whereas in Chapter 2, the lighter more video-game-y style represents Geoff's /influence/ on Kris and party-a way of reminding us that he exists and that Kris and party are involved in his machinations, but not steeping us in his presence, as it were. I expect the Chapter 2 Game Over theme will be the game over theme for most of the chapters in the game, and the Chapter 1 one will come back later for any parts of the game that connect more strongly to Geoff. HOWEVER, your analysis of the track's 8-bit chiptune style and how it relates to other Ralsei-related tracks is absolute GENIUS and now we arrive at why I watch your videos, they're so cool. I am 120% on board with the time loop theory so I continue to be super engrossed in all the evidence that exists in favour of it. ...ah, you actually reference Mother 3/Earthbound 2! I'm surprised you went to Porky Minch instead of the aforementioned soul robots I mention above, but it's nice to see you're plugged into the references. :p God all it takes for me to be reminded of how Toby owns my soul is hearing that Undertale remix and being reduced to a thin mush. I love how eloquently you describe the feeling of Undertale and the memories that song evokes. You understand the emotional stakes of these games better than most. The way you connect it to the time loop nourishes my soul. "How can he has access to the highest tier of hacking programs if he doesn't even have a bed?" killed me, hysterical and makes perfect sense. Well, what a banger video as usual! You've given a lot to think about especially surrounding the mysterious soul in the intro. Looking forward to your next one!
Thank you VERY MUCH for this brilliant comment! The detail of pointing out how Earthbound tackled time travel is VERY interesting to me! Thank you for bringing it up! And thanks for all the kind words! :D
It's probably worth mentioning that The World Revolving, A Cyber's World, Welcome to the City, Hey Every !, Now's Your Chance To Be A-, Big Shot, Keygen, and Another Him are all also fully capitalized in the OST. Some of these are interesting choices if the capitalization is indeed a sign suggesting Gaster's involvement.
16:06 i always has the assumption that Deltarune is a virtual machine inside what ls basically your computer With the unused person stuck in the code being on the outside of the "game" on a higher level of abstraction closer to the player. :: shrug ::
what if the thing that made spmton and jevil indane is htat geoff showe d a video of sans twerking. like showing all the details and in slow mo and jevil and spamton were straight so they were like aaaaaa and died
So quick observation about your party members talking to you in the chapter 2 game over screen. Remember you can restore their HP during battle even if they're knocked to below 0, so they're not dead. With that being said it makes total sense if they talk to you
They may not be dead, but they're definitely unconscious, as evidence by the interactions between Noelle and Berdly during the Snowgrave Route, and the in interaction between Susie and Ralsei during the SCC battle. And knocked out people don't talk.
It's interesting how Toby uses his songs to tell a story or to wrap a meaning on it. It's pretty cool! Also the theories are pretty interesting, really. I liked the idea that the intro is actually the future instead of the past. Makes you think what Toby is cooking up...
I don't think it's TAKING YOUR SOUL, I think it's CREATING your soul. That's what creating the vessel is about. You're making a body for your soul, because if it was *taking* your soul, wouldn't it take your body as well? No. It created a soul for you in that very sence. The soul isn't grabbed by some handreaching to the screen and pulled back to show it, no, it appears in a beam of light, before the entity says "Excellent. Truly, excellent." as if a machine worked out perfectly after being finished. It's not something you'd say when taking away someone's soul through a screen, but more when you have made something and it works out just like you expected it to. The soul is being created for the player to use to interact with this world, to control a character that's suppose to be them on puppets strings, or so we tought would happen, until our vessel gets thrown away and we are forced onto Kris. But our save files bare our names, not krises. They did in the first dark world when we first fell into the closets fountain. But we over saved. It bared our name, not our vessels, but the creators. For example, I recently replayed chapter 1, named the vessel Tobias but the creator Him and when I did my first save in the dark world, it didn't say Tobias, it said Him. It's clearly ment to mean that it's YOU, the person who made the vessel that's controlling kris. The entity MADE us a soul to play this 'game' and Kris was forced into all this. "But how would gas- I mean the entity be able to make us take over Kris?!" well, in the overworld, when we go to that bunker like area where we find snowy and monster kid saying how kris was a pussy for getting scared of whatever was in there, implying that Kris knows what's down there, saw it, and it terrified them. Now, how could I possibly tie this to the entity? Because, when you try calling using your cellphone, what plays? '* It's just garbage noise.' the same thing that plays in gasters entry. It seems, whatever scared kris in the bunker was the entity, and it seems this meeting between the two is why we control Kris.
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-Whoops, forgot Lancer also knows the Legend if you refuse to listen to Ralsei. Probably doesn't affect any of my Geoff conclusions, but figured I'd point it out.
-Before writing any comments that use Geoff's Twitter take-over as proof of him being "real," keep in mind that Toby has stated that tweets are non-canon.
-Geoff ruining the narrative by being "real" is not equivalent to our choices not mattering as a result of the timeloop. The former is bad because it tells us that DELTARUNE's characters don't matter. The latter is fine because it's a tragedy we experience alongside the characters.
Geoff was trying to convince not human monsters like Dess
I don't think Lancer knows the prophecy at all. He just says that all they gotta know is that he's the bad guy. Likely his dad the Kard King told him this.
Hear me out: Geoff is the Mystery Man from Undertale and also Gaster.
@@Brorcawho’s that at the end there? I only know about Geoff
haven't finished the video yet and will edit/delete my comment if you address it, but what if the soul is just an avatar that we are connecting to/represents us? Of course, that still conflates fiction with reality, but I feel like that would keep the metanarrative without breaking peoples suspension of belief. Kind of in a similar way that DDLC does it.
Theory: Gaster befriended Susie's mom just like Sans befriended Kris's mom
you meant Geoff?
His name is Geoff get it right
Bruh
@@thedude31752who knows? Maybe Gaster's full name is Geoff W.D. Gaster. The possibilities are endless
@@kimchi9698actually yeah that could still be possible
Never in my life did I think I would hear the words “Geoff transcending fiction to steal my soul”
Only in Deltarune.
It wouldn't be the first time a fictional character tried to do that
give it like 5 years and i guarantee some dude on the SCP wiki is going to write an article where this happens
Only in a jaru vid
can't believe people got mad at calling gaster "mystery man" when the sprite that everybody uses for gaster is LITERALLY CALLED "spr_mysteryman"
EDIT: also Geoff is the best name for deltarune gaster hands down
That was precisely the reason people didn't like that.
The reasoning was he wanted to avoid calling the voice Gaster, but then proceeded to call him a name that everyone already associates with Gaster anyways. I found that amusing but apparently some others didn't...
I can't believe he just called the voice Geoff, it's like he doesn't even believe in gaster. Also I acnt believe he just called him gaster before, everyone blames gaster for everything
"Please W.D. Gaster was my father, call me W.D. Geoff"
I guess they maybe me angry due to redacted but i dont really think so
why is it spelt like geoff and not jef or something
HELL YEAH! FINALLY A GEOFF THEORY FROM JARU!!!
My favorite part of Deltarune was when Cha- ...Cheff interrupted Geoff in the intro sequence. The community was in remiss.
@@cheatseychespin2792 they had never seen a syscall interrupt used like this!
HELL YEAH NEW GEOFF THEORY DROPPED
I don't think Geoff is implied to literally summon the player's SOUL, but rather that he summoned or created a SOUL-like method for the player to control in the world. That way, he acknowledges the player, but doesn't transcend beyond the fourth wall anymore than Sans facing the camera while it zooms in Undertale, or Flowey directly talking to us outside of the game.
It’s possible sans facing the camera is him looking at a camera Alphys put down, since he worked together with her, and would know where any camera is.
Its the Geoff brand soul substitute
Exactly, it's not _literally_ our soul, it's just a representation of us in universe that we can control. Kinda like a lesser vessel, supposedly originally meant to be put in the bigger vessel he had us make for him.
Wait, when is Sans facing the camera in Undertale? I don't remember that moment...
@@pysioglut literally his first scene
As a counterargument to Toby Fox not involving the actual player, I think that’s exactly what happens at the end of Undertale’s genocide route when you make a compromise with Chara to bring the world back and play the soulless route. They reference YOUR human soul and while I think that loses its effect if used too much, I think at the heart of these games that’s exactly the point. We ARE a part of the story as players and even though we didn’t actually commit murder, the emotions we feel are real and our connection to fiction that we allow ourselves to have creates very real impacts on our lives.
that was exactly my thoughts; i have a really hard time going with the train of thought that the fictional world doesn’t impact our world, bc like you said, that is the precedence that undertale set. not to mention that the soul in both games are more of a vessel for the player, regardless of if it belongs to kris/frisk or not
Haha… *heart* of the game… and you’re a heart-shaped soul. I’ll see myself out
Yeah but the point is that in-universe, the soul that is being sold to Chara is Frisk's.
That conversation is between Frisk and Chara.
In the soulless pacifist ending it's not my real body that gets possessed by Chara, it is Frisk's.
The player is there as a metaphor, Chara is a metaphor for certain players, Flowey is a metaphor for some other kind of players, but the point is that none of them are IN-UNIVERSE you.
It's just a softer kind of meta compared to some other games where some character straight up tells you "hey, I know this is a videogame".
@@godoatthegoat2884 you are saying that like its fact when its just an interpretation. especially since its pick and choose when you decide what benefits that view. such as flowey mentioning the one controlling frisk.
Right? Like it isn't saying he's bringing Deltarune to our real world, it's brining US (a player) into the video game world of Deltarune. That part of the theory bothered me so much 😂 And Gaster didn't steal our soul, he just used us (a PLAYER) as the new controller of Kris. Kris is now US but in the world of Deltarune. Our soul and choices are the only connection to our world and the Deltarune world. We can only impact the Deltarune world and Kris. Our choices matter to that world.
The soul isn’t the players actual soul, it’s a representation of the player. It’s what the player has control through, but not part of the player themself.
It could be the player's soul from Undertale
no geoff transcended the realm of my computer screen and extracted my soul to put it in the game
What if copy and paste
I personally believe Faint Courage exists to create a larger tonal dissonance between the normal game over and Gaster's "then the world was covered in darkness". The different and more somber feel of Darkness Falls becomes more unsettling when compared to the hopefulness of Faint Courage.
that's not Gaster it's Geoff
I don't think the soul in the beginning being the "players" soul is too far fetched to say. Sure, "Geoff" didn't literally take his hand through my computer screen and pull me in, but we made CONTACT with him by installing the game and booting it up. In a meta sense we quite literally make contact with Geoff by installing deltarune itself. Atleast, thats what I think
And the soul being summoned, is supposed to be an in game representation of that
Metaphor and simile and non-canon shenanigans. I don't really consider any of that to be functional for a story. But that's just me.
I don't think "Geoff" could take a player or a human to the vessel creation by force because some of his dialogue suggests that he couldn't like asking "ARE WE CONNECTED" and "EXCELLENT" which implies that he has to check if the red soul is connected which wouldn't make much sense when he could force a human soul to connect with him.
Personally, I much rather believe that Geoff didn't summon us in the first place; we simply appeared, and he simply took that opportunity to speak with us and place us in a vessel.
I don't see why him establishing a connection with us to put the player in a soul of some kind would be far-fetched and immersion-breaking, but the implication (from the tweets from the Undertale account) that Geoff is fully aware of, and capable of navigating, a space beyond the confines of the game (he's been 'looking for us', remember) is not.
I feel like it's worth mentioning that KEYGEN is likely a reference to real life key generators. In real life, key generating websites that were used to unlock illegal copies of software and games, often used a song called "Unreal superhero 3". If you listen to both, KEYGEN sounds very similar.
I wish he actually looked up Keygen before making that section. He tries to tie it in not realizing that Keygen is actually just a thing for generating product keys.
@@naotohex It doesn't have to be one or the other, it could be both
It was also just an old ass meme Toby Fox was referencing. I don't think it has any serious implications.
It was also a bit in a youtube poop
8:36 this is also confirmed to be written by Gaster because the in-game filename for it is "Room_Gaster" so it's definitely not just speculation
I have a feeling that the reason the Game Over screen changed is the same that got the file select menu changed.
They are both situations were the interface became less meta and more "gamey", and they could have happened at the same time.
I love how Toby has set such a precedent for everything in his work being deliberate that something as simple as a UI change sends massive ripples throughout potential theories
We've waited so long for this very moment... the Geoff has finally been addressed
WingDin Geoff Aster is in my walls.
Send help.
to play devil’s advocate, calling the voice ‘mystery man’ is basically the same as calling him gaster since the sprite everyone assumes to be gaster was named mystery man in the files
Just call him mystery guy then.
Geoff is better though so I will accept it.
@@Deertective geoff is the only correct choice here
ah Geoff what a smart acronym as it obviously stands for:
Gaster
Entity
Or
Friendly
Fellow
you've done it again jaru!
You’re right
i love how your theories always, without fail, make me go "jesus christ Jaru what the hell are you talking abou- oh, that actually kinda makes sense. nevermind"
I try. xD
Regarding AUDIO_INTRONOISE: I think it's noteworthy that this is one of the very few voicelines in Undertale and Deltarune. The most prevalent characters who speak audible words are Flowey, Jevil and Spamton, all of which have gained some kind of forbidden knowledge about their worlds. This could further hint at Gaster/Geoff having meta knowledge about the world of Deltarune.
(But then, there is also Mettaton who is able to audibly speak so idk. You could argue that since Mettaton is a machine with an injected soul, he did get knowledge outside the confines of being a machine. He is aware of physically being only a machine, in the same way that Flowey/Jevil/Spamton might be somewhat aware of being only characters in a video game. But I understand that this is a bit of a stretch.)
Indeed!
actually, Mettaton isn't a machine with an injected soul! he is simply a ghost possessing a robotic puppet. this is backed up by the diaries in "Nabstablook's cousin's house" which describe a person abandoning their family to ascend to stardom (at the help of Alphys), as well as Bratty's and Catty's dialogue discussing how after Mettaton was supposedly just made, MTT and Alphys were already acting like old friends. If you keep all this in mind and watch the events at the tail end of Mettaton's own bossfight, the first caller was obviously Nabstablook, Mettaton sure seemed to recognize them, and called out "Bl-" (presumably saying Blooky?) as the caller hung up. as the final nail in the coffin, Mettaton and Mad Mew Mew are described as eating ghost food together in the canon winter alarm clock dialogue.
in short, MTT and Alphys go out of their way to make the public think MTT is a robot with a soul, but that's just not true.
(if you want to you could use this as fuel for "Alphys lies and is a bad person", otherwise you could use it as fuel for "Alphys respects their friend's wishes and is a good person.)
sorry if this came across a a little overbearing or toxic. I know I've been seen that way before, and I genuinely mean this in the best way possible, trying to be as constructive as I can in disproving the spread of misinformation.
@@nathanielkershner5904 You're absolutely right! I somehow forgot about that when making the comment, thanks for pointing that out. I'd argue that claiming a soul was "injected" into a machine is still not completely wrong, as a ghost possessing a machine is just one way to "inject" one's soul into an object (while still being in control of course). But yeah, Mettaton's soul certainly belongs to Nabstablook's cousin and he is the one controlling Mettaton.
*OHHHHH YES!!*
omg jaru im so glad youre talking about Geoff, such an underrated forgotten deltarune character
I don't think "Geoff" could take a player or a human to the vessel creation by force because some of his dialogue suggests that he couldn't like asking "ARE WE CONNECTED" and "EXCELLENT" which implies that he has to check if the red soul is connected which wouldn't make much sense when he could force a human soul to connect with him.
cant the soul just be a conduit for our control as the player.
34:31 the whole "ralsei's putting on a performance" thing has always been something i thought about in the back of my head, but the association with the 8-bit NES RPG-like music just makes it so much stronger, i never fully realized that until now great observation dude
Thank you!
I think the soul in the intro scene might be artificial, synthetic in some way. It sounds like a logical extension of Gaster's research into souls, determination, and time-space.
I agree
A "device" to interact with the world of Deltarune, one might say.
I'm at the beggining of the video, and while I agree with your points regarding GEOFF not being able to summon your ACTUAL soul, I think the soul is more meant to serve as your metaphorical connection and influence over the game. The reason why a soul is chosen(especially the red, heart), in my theory, is that we, as the "player" are familiar with that imagery from UNDERTALE. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the twitter tweets just before Deltarune's release mention stuff like "you have me waiting" or "I have been looking for you aswell", which would suggest that GEOFF is simply aware of the fact that the majority of people first experiencing this game were most awaiting something linking it to UNDERTALE, hence the way your connection to the world is represented. This is further supported by the fact that Toby Fox himself reccomends playing UNDERTALE before playing DELTARUNE
I'm inclined to view the Twitter stuff as non-canon, as Toby has said such things were non-canon in the past. Plus, there's a big difference between metaphor and plot.
I have to agree with this. The player is an entity in the universe as Chara is able to directly speak to us, not Frisk.
I think people get that gaster quoat wrong
He says
"You have been searching for me"
"I have as well"
I believe gaster is saying that he is also searching for himself as he is shattered through time and space
This was amazing. Usually I watch Jaru videos in the background over time due to their length, but I watched this one in a single sitting, giving it my full attention. Thank you Jaru, for all of the work you put into youtube.
My pleasure! Thank you for watching! :D
❤
Now people will start blaming Geoff for everything
Geoff got Woody’s roundup cancelled and made Woody go insane.
Geoff was the man behind the slaughter.
@@shadowbrine5998 Why hello there, old sport
The new Chara lol
Cheff*
What if (and I have literally no evidence for this), the intro scene with the vessel is us "creating" "ralsei" in the master dark fountain, but it just ends up discarded and actually replaced by the ralsei we know in game? The background looks very much like a dark fountain, and with the "you're about to meet someone very interesting," line for Susie, Kris, and Noelle, I think it'd make sense that we're creating ralsei (or a prototype, before being taken over by someone else). Again, no actual evidence, purely speculation, but I think it would make for an interesting plot twist!
Interesting!
It's important to consider that Kris is interested in magic rituals and Asgore is heavily hinted to have occultist practices/secrets in his house and messing with the dark worlds. Like father, like son.
That would also draw in the idea that Ralsei is who Kris wanted to be. The one who Kris never could be, because "Nobody can choose who they are in this world."
only two minutes in and you're already making me want to replay Deltarune, Jaru
In undertale gaster's theme is called ST_HIM
It can be a dual meaning of either
Soudtrack_him
Or saint him
Another evidence that gaster is the angel
Or soundtest
Or saint hymn if you wanna go an extra mile
I was thinking about that too
it literally just means sound test
mus_st_him
it's also a final fantasy reference, in composition, and in the circumstances somewhat, because the whole soundtest thing feels dreamy.
Erm, Satan
It's possible that Geoff not necessary grabbed player's soul, but manifested/projected it into deltarune world
The “FRIEND” being related to Geoff parallels him and Flowey even more since they both spy on you and disappear very quickly if you walk to see them doing so. The fact that they share such a specific detail like that is convincing to me.
I honestly think FRIEND is flowey, Flowey is known to shapeshift his face into everything (not just humans and monsters) plus the basement is the only part of chapter 2 where you see foliage (probably vines) and the fact that Photochop Flowey is severely connected to machinery and wiring (probably more foreshadowing on AUDIO_DRONE theory) which could be related to his enviroment in chapter 2 wheres its set in a computer room in the library. and lastly for the fact that hes notorious for syping on the player in UNDERTALE
It occurred to me, that Kris probably doesn't like who they are, so maybe this intro sequence is about Kris dreaming about who they want to be. Only to be cut off with brutal real life "No one chooses who they are in this world"
I think there is definitely a way for the soul to be ours without completely breaking immersion. Geoff could’ve created an artificial soul, and have us control it. It’s all done in-universe and accomplishes the same result of it being “our” soul.
Maybe he was using the "questionaire" at the beginning to approximate what our soul was gonna be like in order to create an artificial clone from our soul in the real world in-game as you said 🤔
@@schalomforever It would make sense. For example, he asks us to choose a gift to sus out what we value most, asks us how we feel about the vessel to see how compassionate we are, and "do you acknowledge the possibility of pain and seizure" is pretty self-explanatory.
Yet another intriguing and incredibly entertaining theory video! Can't wait for the next installment of The Geoff Files!
Thank you! :D
I think the theory of the soul belonging to the player can be taken as metaphorical. Geoff isn't literally taking your soul, you are putting your soul into the game by chosing to take part in it. This would also line up with the soul being a symbol of the player's influence, and the player being in control of ONLY the soul and not Kris. There is the issue that souls in Undertale are seemingly literal, and that separating one's physical soul from their body has happened in Undertale, but this may not be how things work in Deltarune as there are clearly differences in how these worlds work as monsters can now bleed
Noelle not having anything to say to Kris after a Game Over could hints towards the future in the game.
If Ralsei and Susie are with Kris in the future, but not Noelle, then it could make sense how she gets no special Game Over Dialogue.
Nah she's definitely important, she's got dialogue for future items and castle town
@righteous2k425 Noelle is consistently referred to as "angel" in snowgrave
Geoff is best Deltarune character
Geoff is best boy.
Regarding the soul in the intro being the player’s “soul”:
In Toby Fox’s world, it is possible that “souls” are substantially different from souls in our world. Souls are physical objects in the fictional world, for one, and the act of us, the players, manifesting a soul when we open the game may be more “we are now committing to be emotionally invested in this story and that manifests as a “soul” in this world” and less “Toby Fox is claiming ownership of your irl soul”. Especially in Deltarune, with its themes of narrative and layers of fiction, a being from a world lighter than the Light World itself may have the ability to manifest a soul-like object from something less than their literal, actual soul.
Not saying you have to believe that’s the “player’s “soul”” (read as: a heart-shaped object manifested from an irl player when they allow themselves to be emotionally invested in a story, also has strong ties to the themes of narrative, fiction, and control) originates from the player; it could very well be an in-game character’s physical soul. Just saying that if it does NOT come from an in-game character, that doesn’t mean Toby expects you to believe that your LITERAL SOUL is up for grabs.
JaruJaru being a fellow before the story enjoyer puts a smile on my face
It'll be hilarious if we get a final battle with the Knight, and he declares himself to be called by several things, which he lists, including Gaster; then he concludes with: But you may call me GEOFF.
20:09 the idea of something fictional or created coming to life in a way is present throughout Deltarune. The darkeners for example. When you name your vessel after yourself, Geoff seems to think it makes sense to do so, implying the player truly is meant for embody said vessel rather than overwriting Kris.
There’s also the fact that something you designed (Trash Machine), ended up returning later on means there’s a chance for your designed vessel to return.
So glad to finally see a video on Geoff
Such an underrated character that deserves more respect
I always interpreted "GALLERY" to mean Rouge's Gallery. A collection of foes/criminals. This song only plays when the two main chapter antagonists are, **arguably** at their most villanous.
It just reminds me of that thing Toby said. About how he imagined Kris and the others running up the stairs past previous chapters bosses up to the knight.
Running past their rouge's gallery, you might say
Wow, that’s uh… My mind has been blown.
There certainly could be a possibility that the Image_friend dude could possess spamton. When spamton in his shop said something like "can anyone hear me, help.." his eyes weren't colored in a similar way to the "friend's" eyes.
Hmm. Interesting.
Spamton looks the way he does in-game because he's wearing a poor disguise of swatch, so I doubt his eye colors hold any significance
""Geoff"" is my favorite Deltarune character
(Seriously tho calling intro guy goeff so no one complains is genius and now I'm going to call him goeff has well)
Great video as always! When it comes to my personal interpretation as to why Toby created Faint Courage I think I fall into the “there will be a new game over screen each chapter” category especially given that the chip tune instrumentation and pixel art “Game Over” kinda fit with the whole “cyber” theme of chapter two. He could just be doing it to spice things up, or perhaps it’s meant to symbolize how dying here would result in the Cyber World fountain specifically contributing to the Roaring, which could also apply to future versions of the theme.
On another note, I’d like to offer a sort of middle ground option on the subject of what the soul summoned in the intro to the game is. My idea is this: the soul is not literally the players’ but is instead a conduit of sorts that allows us to connect to the world. As to who this soul belongs to, perhaps it simply belongs to the vessel that we create, as they do appear to be human. Of course I’m not entirely sure how this works given that we do seem make the vessel, and, according to Undertale at least, soul power cannot be created artificially. But, perhaps what’s actually happening in the intro is not us creating the vessel, but simply customizing their look and personality. After all the only physical features of theirs that we can change are their hair style, which can be easily changed, and whether their left leg or right leg appear to be bigger which could be contributed to the size of their pant leg instead. This idea suggests that the player is involved, but that the person in the intro does not do anything to us that we know is not actually happening.
I agree with your interpretation on that middle ground a lot. It's clear from both the twitter interactions and the ingame interactions that we are being interfaced with by Gaster, not forcibly pushed into the role. We don't have control over other characters or how certain events will happen, but we do have autonomy over ourselves continuing to play the game. That's where I differ from both hypotheticals. I don't think some non-meta ingame entity is controlling Kris because that would be boring and bash against some worldbuilding that's been established up to this point, nor do I think that the player's soul is directly in the game metaphorically because that's simply ludicrous. We are connecting to Gaster, Kris's soul, and the world of Deltarune of our own accord, and our actions are highlighted as such ingame. We can shut it off at any point, it's not a virus or unstoppable game that takes over our controls. If anything we're doing that to the game. But Gaster wants us to interface, which brings up a lot of unanswerable questions.
Ok wait I just had an idea. The connection between Flowey and Geoff has been made. What if Geoff has been following us like Flowey did in specific Undertale spots? The eggs, the one smile thing in the Queen’s basement, manipulation characters like Spamton. Totally could just not happen, but an idea. Also, I haven’t watched the entire video, if Jaru did say that, I’m not the at far yet.
Interesting idea!
What this? A new jaru jaru video? On my birthday?! What are the odds! And it's a big hour long one about Gaster too. This is the best birthday gift i could have gotten! Thank you!
Happy Birthday! :D
@@JaruJaruJ Aw, thank you! :]
@@greengrapeguy70🎉🎈🎁🕯🍰🥳🍺👯♀️
Happy Birthday man. I hope it's a good one! 👍
@@lorrainebrunner2490 aw, thanks!
I don't know why no one else is talking about how the first 28 seconds of AUDIO_STORY is Premonition from the Undertale OST
You're right! What?! That's nuts! Great catch! :O
And premonition plays in a secret room with [REDACTED] sprite, so more connection to Geoff confirmed!
We need to appreciate jaru more.
Him listing the audio files for people that arent looking + Geoff are just amazing
You're too kind. x)
@@JaruJaruJ not as much as you dude!
12:30 honestly this section just convinced me that whoever the person who deletes your goner character is the actual antagonist
and judging the change in text and etc, it isnt "Geoff"
Ooooh yessss im so excited for this new series!! Jaru makes such interesting theory/lore videos so an entire series on Gaster is just.. such a treat.
it's Geoff, stupid
Amazing video Jaru! You hit the nail right on the head when it comes to break the immersion. Like you said, Toby’s games don’t OUTRIGHT break the fourth wall, rather they take place in universes that function with rules that allows for meta commentary. With this in mind, Here’s my mini proposition of what Gaster “summoning” the player is meant to be. If Flowey is meant to parallel the player, maybe Geoff is meant to parallel the game developer himself, Toby. Instead of bringing the players soul, he instead essentially PROGRAMS a player controller and slaps that bad boy onto Kris’s soul. It’s similar to object oriented programming in game dev. Instead of re-programming movement for every NPC , you instead make a separate component and slap that code onto anything you want to have movement in game. Assuming Gaster didn’t make the ENTERITY of deltarune. (Which I personally don’t agree with) it kinda makes him more like a rom hacker or modder rather than a game dev. Which is a really cool idea when you consider how toby got into game development and his previous attitude towards dataminers when UNDERTALE first came out. Sorry for the info dump, This whole video got me brainstorming, Have a good night ❤
Thank you! And that's an interesting proposition!
"Before the story" was actually used in the "UNDERTALE - RUINS dynamic theme" for the playstation 4.
It's only a background for your menu on PS4, but it could still be relevant to deltarune.
Wait... "Before the story."
Unused track in undertale..
Before deltarune. Before it's story.
Was undertale.
15:02 ‘Geoff transcending fiction to steal my soul is absurd’
Ralsei transcended fiction to steal my heart tho???
You bringing up Kris's connection to "Courage" got me thinking. What if, like many believe, that red soul doesn't belong to Kris, and the reason they resist it so much is because it isn't even the right color? In Undertale, thanks to the golf mini game, the color orange (often associated with the orange soul) is associated with "Bravery". What if Kris's original soul was orange before it was replaced with this red one? Just a thought.
You might be onto something. I actually thought of that too lmao
Oh also funfact
The only unskippable dialogue IN THE ENTIRE GAME is another him intro sequence dialogue, death screen and that's all. Only Ga- Uh Geoff cannot be skipped. That shows he has power beyond the game, like us.
My interpretation of the opening was that Gast- I mean 'Geoff', created an artificial soul for the player to control, and then he planted the artificial soul controlled by the player into Kris.
Or Geoff is giving the player control over Kris' soul
The "chara" thing blew my mind... It's literally just a joke playing on the files' names. It has nothing to do with the actual fallen child lol. IT'S SHORT FOR "CHARACTER" FFS I CANT BELIEVE I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS THE ACTUAL NAME
The bit in AUDIO_STORY before the Undertale theme kicks in is the same theme that plays in the hidden room from Undertale with the [RECACTED] sprite.
OH SHIT!! OK I didn't know that, that's actually pretty hype ngl.
Didn't Chara already break the fourth wall in UNDERTALE by attacking the Player themselves, since the window shakes when they attack as if it was the target of their attack and the window seems to function as a conduit between the game and the player?
I don't know about you, but I don't think anyone has been cut in real life by Chara Undertale after playing Genocide. xP
The window is as far as each side can reach.
What if Deltarune (the program on your desktop) is a program to control a soul that is no one's? Or just Kris' soul? Then all Geoff did was upload that program for people in the real world to control the soul in Deltarune's world. The soul doesn't need to be literally the player's actual soul for the soul to technically be "theirs"
I'd agree with you on the whole "Geoff cannot drag real-world players' souls into the game" if it was Geoff actually *doing* the dragging. Geoff does nothing to force us to participate except contacting and persuading us.
Geoff reached out. We, the players, are the ones who make the effort of connecting to the world of Deltarune by running the Survey Program. You are an individual, willing conspirator in Geoff's game.
By installing Deltarune, you've consented to Geoff's terms. By participating in the fiction of Deltarune, you are, in a way, offering up your SOUL -- fitting for a game that's all ABOUT people's relationships with fiction/dark worlds.
Remember what the game says in its installer. "YOU WILL ACCEPT EVERYTHING FROM NOW ON." There isn't a single character that can diegetically read that text, except a being outside the story. In other words, it's meant for the player to see.
Not Kris. Not Susie. Not Ralsei.
But us.
it stands out to me how upon chapter 2 various menu elements (+ game over song) gets more "gamey", perhaps it has somehting to do with sealing the fountains, as the normal file select screen happens only after chapter 1's fountain is sealed?
What if the Vessel was never actually discarded, but was actually the vessel for this "Geoff" entity?
And the Dark crystals we collect are shards of this character?
Shadow crystals*
@@koopatroopa6882 Thanks, I forgot the correct term, I only got one from the fight against Spamton. Never beat Jevil, like the noob I am.
Your intros get more and more monotone with each video, I love it!
I think that your interpretation is interesting, although I still think everyone is making some of these concepts too complicated. I think that Geoff summoned us (literally through the original link he posted on Twitter leading to the deltarune chapter 1 site) with the intention of creating a vessel for us to go into deltarune and stop the timeloop, but someone else stopped him and decided that it would be better to do this through Kris. It's possible in previous runs of the timeloop that Kris and Susie never enter a dark world or never become friends, and the roaring happens some other way, this person that might be working with Geoff could see an opportunity for the player to get more out of playing as Kris, as the vessel doesn't look fully human and it may be difficult for it to make friends with a monster and ralsei in order to fulfill the prophecy. I think the reason that Kris looks like they are struggling so much after removing the players soul is because the procedure of putting us inside of Kris was never tested, never supposed to happen even, and thus has changed Kris and their body, making it harder to function. It's possible that the vessel didn't already have a soul to begin with, and the player was meant to act as the only soul inhabiting it, but with Kris there was already an existing soul, think about how if you stretch a plastic bag to hold more than it can handle, when you remove half the stuff from the bag it's still stretched out.
I would like a video just about jaru just saying all the geoff parts in this video
Great video as always, I was never super into deltarune lore until I found your content
Also an out of context quote I wanted to call attention to:
"If you die alone, no encouragement is given"
Thank you! And that is a really amusing quote. xD
Your channel is perfect for satiating my never ending hunger for deltarune. Thankyou Jaru these videos are awesome 🙃
Glad you like them!
Love the content Jaru, keep it up, this stuff was so nice to listen on a long drive, thanks for calling us listeners out and accommodating!
My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it! x)
Alright first of all I just want to say, this video is absolutely incredible. I love all of the theories and I learned quite a few things that I wasn't aware of. BUT HOLY CRAP EVERYTHING JARU SAID ABOUT AUDIO_APPEARANCE (9:33) JUST GAVE ME THE BIGGEST DR BRAINBLAST OF ALL TIME!
So I consider myself a self-proclaimed Chara fanatic, (I actually made a vid called "Chara - Undertale's Usurper" if you want to check that out) and so when Chara gets brought up I tend to naturally start overanalyzing things. The reason I'm bringing this up is I've never really thought too much about some of the possible parallels between Chara and... Geoff... Anyways, one thing I just want to get out of the way is Chara's name. I agree that I don't think Toby wants to force the name "Chara" onto every player. My interpretation of Chara is that they are meant to mirror the player in a way, which is why we are able to name them. I think the main reason Toby put in a "true name" at all was actually just to make discussion easier. The Fallen Human can get a bit annoying to say after awhile, so I think he decided on the name Chara, short for Character, so we had a name we could all use even though Chara can have a different name in everyone's playthroughs. Even if that interpretation is wrong, there needs to be SOME reason why Toby even put in a "true name" in the first place, so I'll just continue to call The Fallen Child, "Chara."
Now onto my Big Brain Blast. So something Jaru started talking about that caught my attention was the relationship between the red soul and... Geoff. Overall I agree with Jaru, I don't think the red soul is literally meant to represent the players soul, but I think Geoff may be aware of the player. Let me explain my case. So something else Jaru mentions is that Flowey and Chara may be aware of the player to some degree. I actually don't think that's the case for Flowey however. Throughout the game there is a lot of evidence of Chara being present within Frisk. Ignoring the obvious stuff in the genocide route, there's also the flashback to Asriel in waterfall, the game over screens, Chara's name being in the save menu, the dream of Asgore you can see when you go back to bed after fighting Toriel, and the full flashback to Asriel and Chara meeting at the end of True Pacifist. When Flowey talks to you and asks you not to reset, he calls you "Chara." (Or whatever you named Chara) He isn't aware of the player, but he seems aware of Chara, and he also seems to believe Chara is the one with the ability to Reset. I think when we "SAVE" him, he experienced that flashback and eventually realized that Chara was somehow the one actually behind it, and he also realizes that it must have been Chara's DETERMINATION that overrode his own ability to save. This is why I think Chara represents the player. If Frisk is the main_chara being controlled, then the true_chara is the player actually pulling the strings. That's how it looks to Flowey at least. So basically, I don't think Flowey is actually aware of the player. Where I do agree with Jaru though is Chara being aware of the player, at least in the genocide ending. Throughout the genocide run it is constantly implied that Chara has full control over Frisk, but in the genocide ending Chara contradictly (guess I can't figure out how to spell this) says that you were the one who guided them. This has led me to believe that in-universe, Chara is not talking to Frisk as a stand in for the player, but is instead talking to the player directly. It's hard to give an exact logical reason why Chara is able to become aware of us, the best I can come up with is that because they are directly connected to us and they have grown so powerful, they just kinda become aware. I can understand why some may find that hard to believe, but Frisk looking into the mirror while saying "It's me, Chara" and then Chara telling Frisk that they are the one responsible after Flowey ranted about Chara's "stolen soul" just doesn't make sense to me.
So, I think Chara is aware of the player, so how does that connect back to Geoff? Selling Souls. At the end of the genocide route, Chara asks for our soul. As Jaru said though, since Chara is a fictional character they can't literally take our soul through the screen. There is another soul however, that technically belongs to us. Frisks soul. We are able to sell the soul of another entity that is under our control, to another superior entity. And this is where things started to click for me. Chara refers to themself as a demon in the second genocide ending. Demons are known for making contracts, that tend to involve selling the soul. The Devil is also associated with sixes, just like... Geoff. When SURVEY_PROGRAM first came out it quite literally made it feel like you were making some kind of deal with the devil in order to install it. "YOU WILL ACCEPT EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS FROM NOW ON." This time however, I don't think we were the ones who sold a soul. I think Geoff... sold Kris's soul... to us.
And the most horrifying part of all of this, is the implication that Gaster may have had some control over Kris before we came into the picture. I mean Geoff crap. But before you freak out I'm not saying that I think this means that the third entity theory is confirmed or anything like that. When we sell Frisk's soul to Chara, Chara seems to gain control over us since they can fully take over if you try to do True Pacifist. If Geoff gave up Kris's soul to us, then I think we should ultimately have the most control. What I think is really the takeaway of this theory, is that it could explain why Toriel says that Kris has spent large amounts of time alone for some reason, implying that they have been removing their soul for awhile. If Kris was being controlled by Geoff, they may have started removing their soul then to free themself from his control. The other takeaway from this theory, is that somehow we are a crucial part of Geoff's plan. Geoff had control over a human soul and a hero of legend. Somehow though, giving us access to the world of Deltarune through Kris, was more important to him.
That's all the relatively safe stuff I could come up with on my own, but I thought I could make this a bit more fun by tying it in with one of Jaru's theories. I spent a bit of time thinking about what could possibly be of more use to Geoff than Kris? What could we do that he can't? Why gamble something as valuable as Kris's soul on the player? Perhaps, it's the ability to take control of other party members. Maybe, he wants us to manipulate Noelle, so he can get to Dess. If we can make Noelle stronger, then perhaps she'll gain a newfound Determination to search for her sister on her own. As Noelle continues venturing into dark worlds, Geoff could potentially get into direct contact with Noelle. Geoff could help lead Noelle to Dess, in exchange for Noelle's soul. With Noelle's soul as a hostage, Geoff could convince Dess to give up her own soul. If Jaru's theory is right and Dess was the original "hero of legend" then with her soul, Geoff would gain an abundance of DETERMINATION. With that power... he could do anything.
Annnnndddd, that's all I had to say! I'm gonna go work on a horrifyingly complex Sans focused video now, yippee.
But what if : undertale and deltarune were just similar enough.
What if we wanted even more *POWER*
What if we get tired of Kris
What if we were to break Noelle
What if we fuse our SOUL with hers.
Aha-hahahahahaha!!!
@@genarorios5055 you sound like the most evil ass antagonist ever and I love it
@@Azrael_66666 I mean....everything just clicked for me.
-Kris can remove the SOUL but he always puts it somewhere where we can't escape.
-Doing a Weird Route makes Noelle afraid of the scary entity (us) possessing Kris so maybe she's gonna try to exorcise Kris or something.
-According to Undertale a monster with a human SOUL is a "horrible beast with unfathomable power".
You see where i am coming from yet?
Aha-hahahahaha!
you know kris is non-binary????
right???
@@genarorios5055
I'm totally behind the soul in the intro being from Kris and the whole "selling your soul to a demon" thing, but I think you're forgetting to consider the vessels in the rest of your analysis.
After all, its seems like Geoff's original plan was to have the soul inhabit one of those vessels and not Kris, so we can't really assume his goal had anything to do with Kris or the people of hometown. Now the person who interrupted Geoff on the other hand...
Gaster is basically if god decided to make random people insane by telling them forbidden secrets about the inner machinations of the universe
You mean *GEOFF*
So, cthulu
10:57
Unless you, as the player are allowing yourself to be absorbed into the story
In this interpretation of events the soul is a symbol of how people in the real world use fiction to escape from the real world
Metaphor/Thematic reading is very different from Plot/Canon readings.
I gotta say: only a quarter into this video and its amazing how well put together and edited this video is, that in tandem with the topic of discussion makes this an absolute treat. I also had NO idea Flowey used twitter, and I've been on the deltarune theory train since chapter 1, which wasn't that long ago, but is still years
Thank you so much! I'm glad you're enjoying the video! :D
No offense, but IMO calling the SURVEY_PROGRAM entity “Geoff” is quite possibly the worst name you could have chosen.
(This is a joke.)
*best name
**(dead serious)
I like Geoff
What's next?
-Chara- Cheff?
12:16 there exists a theory that the voice who tells you can’t choose is a different person altogether (different way of speaking in the JP version and different font/capitalization). So that could throw a wrench into your theory there
11:23 "That didn’t happen, and there is nothing Toby Fox can do to make me believe otherwise."
**Toby Fox heading to Jaru's house to rip out his heart like Scorpion:** "Disprove this, you f______ casual."
I think that the wallpaper of Kris, Susie and Ralsei near the fountain depicts the "Three heroes apear at worlds' edge and banish the angel's heaven" moment, the ending of DELTARUNE.
Jaru, the theory is that the soul is what you use to control Kris. Nobody thought that it is their literal soul. When in the cage, you control the soul.
Pretty sure that's just a rewording of the same theory.
I think the soul belongs to the player, not in the sense that Geoff reached into the real world and grabbed the player's soul, but in the sense that Geoff took an in-universe soul and gave it to the player to use. So the soul belongs to the player, even though they aren't using it to stay alive and feel emotions. It's their in-universe vessel basically, what they control fundamentally, before Kris or their companions.
"the gaster files"!? who's gaster? that guy kinda looks like geoff though doesn't he
Gaster could absolutely "summon" the player to Deltarune. He already did, way back in 2018 when he used our curiosity about what was happening with Toby Fox's Twitter, eager for any hint of Undertale 2. I always interpreted those events as Gaster "luring" the Undertale fanbase into whatever scheme he had planned. Put another way, he didn't literally summon the Player, he tempted them by giving them SURVEY PROGRAM. Once the Player runs the Program, they enter the world of Deltarune of their own volition. There's a sense in which you could call this "summoning", but not in the magical sense of being involuntarily pulled into the story.
Twitter is non-canon.
Regarding the Fallen Child's name: Toby Fox's doodles from development posted on his twitter (dated December 4, 2020 if anyone wants to double check) also refer to them by the name Chara. So it's not entirely fanon thought to be canon. Though yes, the name definitely comes from the term 'character'.
Something I want to mention (that I have no idea if you’ve ever mentioned before I’m only just recently getting into and binging your channel) but the strange kaleidoscope thing that shows up during the vessel creation is very reminiscent of the kaleidoscope fog thing that is in area exiting Snowdin where you fight papyrus in undertale. I’ve never heard this mentioned before by anyone but I thought it may be evidence for a connection between papyrus and gaster
The geoff thing actually worked! There were so many moments where if you replaced the word geoff with gaster, i would've eyerolled reflexively, where with Geoff they flow naturally. I think the UT/DR community has instilled in me gasterphobia
Brilliant! I will continue to refer to him as such then! It's clearly healthy for the community. xD
what are you gonna do when gaster is actually a part of the narrative?
Jaru is talking about Goeff.
It's actually finally happening guys!
Bro wdym he is talking about Geoff, who the heck is "Gaster"?
@@yarikzhigayou are right, you are right!
I will edit and correct my comment!
Thanks for poniting out my mistake.
I sincerely apoligize.
I'm so excited for this ! Thank you so much Jaru!!!
My pleasure!!
Since you put so much effort into these huge videos I'm gonna just collect all of my ranodm thoughts into a huge comment to match. :p
Geoff is my favourite Deltarune character.
As a random note, the connection between Spamton and Gaster is more concretely established, I feel, after Andrew Cunningham pointing out that Gaster's Theme literally IS the "freedom motif" that is in Jevil and Spamton's battle themes. Makes you think.
I also agree wholeheartedly that the soul cannot be the player's. I'm 120% on board with the "the player is diagetical to Undertale/Deltarune" thing, but that connection only goes one way, with us being able to influence the game via our keyboards/controllers. The game's influence on US is purely emotional/communicative (in an illusory way of course). It wouldn't make any sense or be consistent at all with Undertale's strategy for how it uses metafiction to engross players.
Undertale takes a lot of pains to weave this semi-contradictory web of literalism and metaphoricalism when it comes to how the characters in the game break the fourth wall, and that helps to keep up the illusion that the characters can directly communicate with us without destroying our immersion. When Flowey says he FEELS AS THOUGH he's in a video game in Genocide Route, but he LITERALLY speaks to us at the end of True Pacifist, this creates a feeling of contradictory confusion in us which makes the process "blurry" and easier to accept. The soul being the player's soul would be a hard 180 turn on this sort of writing strategy and it would be a lot less effective, because it would be completely literal without any metaphor. It wouldn't be acceptable for the reasons you talk about.
Also I love how you call them the Fallen Child instead of Chara lmfao, god bless. It's something I'd love to do, it's just so dang cumbersome when talking about the character so often.
I've NEVER seen anybody propose that the intro sequence takes place after the Roaring and is a flash-forward, and would love to hear any further thoughts on what specifically you think that would be used for. :o
Another fascinating thing I suddenly realize is that in EARTHBOUND, which heavily inspired Undertale and Deltarune, the characters take their souls and put them inside robot bodies in order to time travel into the far past to kill Giygas in his infancy. You talking about the Mystery Future Human(TM) putting their soul in a vessel for a mission has some VERY INTERESTING PARALLELS to this idea from Earthbound that really seriously excites me. 8)
"JARU ANALYSIS!!!" in evil red font had me laughing out loud lmfao, love it. That's what we're here for! My initial thoughts on the Chapter 2 game over theme are pretty much just that for Chapter 1, the track represents Geoff specifically, whereas in Chapter 2, the lighter more video-game-y style represents Geoff's /influence/ on Kris and party-a way of reminding us that he exists and that Kris and party are involved in his machinations, but not steeping us in his presence, as it were. I expect the Chapter 2 Game Over theme will be the game over theme for most of the chapters in the game, and the Chapter 1 one will come back later for any parts of the game that connect more strongly to Geoff.
HOWEVER, your analysis of the track's 8-bit chiptune style and how it relates to other Ralsei-related tracks is absolute GENIUS and now we arrive at why I watch your videos, they're so cool. I am 120% on board with the time loop theory so I continue to be super engrossed in all the evidence that exists in favour of it.
...ah, you actually reference Mother 3/Earthbound 2! I'm surprised you went to Porky Minch instead of the aforementioned soul robots I mention above, but it's nice to see you're plugged into the references. :p
God all it takes for me to be reminded of how Toby owns my soul is hearing that Undertale remix and being reduced to a thin mush. I love how eloquently you describe the feeling of Undertale and the memories that song evokes. You understand the emotional stakes of these games better than most. The way you connect it to the time loop nourishes my soul.
"How can he has access to the highest tier of hacking programs if he doesn't even have a bed?" killed me, hysterical and makes perfect sense.
Well, what a banger video as usual! You've given a lot to think about especially surrounding the mysterious soul in the intro. Looking forward to your next one!
Thank you VERY MUCH for this brilliant comment! The detail of pointing out how Earthbound tackled time travel is VERY interesting to me! Thank you for bringing it up! And thanks for all the kind words! :D
@@JaruJaruJ My pleasure! Comments like this are much more my style than the truncated nonsense Twitter restricts me to lmfao.
It's probably worth mentioning that The World Revolving, A Cyber's World, Welcome to the City, Hey Every !, Now's Your Chance To Be A-, Big Shot, Keygen, and Another Him are all also fully capitalized in the OST. Some of these are interesting choices if the capitalization is indeed a sign suggesting Gaster's involvement.
I do not think those tracks are Geoff-related. I think the OST capitalization is just meant to distract and confuse us from the true Geoff content.
babe wake up new jaru video just dropped
16:06 i always has the assumption that Deltarune is a virtual machine inside what ls basically your computer
With the unused person stuck in the code being on the outside of the "game" on a higher level of abstraction closer to the player.
:: shrug ::
"AUDIO_DRONE is interesting, because it suggests that Gaster has a Gastdrone"
😂😂😂😂😂😂
All these theories keep me hyped for the next chapters of deltarune, keep up the good work!
Glad you like them!
The gags in this video were amazing, thank you Jaru, keep on keeping on!
Thanks! xD
what if the thing that made spmton and jevil indane is htat geoff showe d a video of sans twerking. like showing all the details and in slow mo and jevil and spamton were straight so they were like aaaaaa and died
Interesting idea!
So quick observation about your party members talking to you in the chapter 2 game over screen. Remember you can restore their HP during battle even if they're knocked to below 0, so they're not dead. With that being said it makes total sense if they talk to you
They may not be dead, but they're definitely unconscious, as evidence by the interactions between Noelle and Berdly during the Snowgrave Route, and the in interaction between Susie and Ralsei during the SCC battle. And knocked out people don't talk.
It's interesting how Toby uses his songs to tell a story or to wrap a meaning on it.
It's pretty cool!
Also the theories are pretty interesting, really. I liked the idea that the intro is actually the future instead of the past.
Makes you think what Toby is cooking up...
every time i watch one of your videos my interest in deltarune and its universe, music and characters just continues to grow
That's awesome! :D
I REALIZED
IF YOU PUT A "T" IN GEOFF(between GE and OFF) YOU OBTAIN "GETOFF"
I don't think it's TAKING YOUR SOUL, I think it's CREATING your soul. That's what creating the vessel is about. You're making a body for your soul, because if it was *taking* your soul, wouldn't it take your body as well? No. It created a soul for you in that very sence.
The soul isn't grabbed by some handreaching to the screen and pulled back to show it, no, it appears in a beam of light, before the entity says "Excellent. Truly, excellent." as if a machine worked out perfectly after being finished. It's not something you'd say when taking away someone's soul through a screen, but more when you have made something and it works out just like you expected it to.
The soul is being created for the player to use to interact with this world, to control a character that's suppose to be them on puppets strings, or so we tought would happen, until our vessel gets thrown away and we are forced onto Kris.
But our save files bare our names, not krises. They did in the first dark world when we first fell into the closets fountain. But we over saved.
It bared our name, not our vessels, but the creators.
For example, I recently replayed chapter 1, named the vessel Tobias but the creator Him and when I did my first save in the dark world, it didn't say Tobias, it said Him.
It's clearly ment to mean that it's YOU, the person who made the vessel that's controlling kris. The entity MADE us a soul to play this 'game' and Kris was forced into all this.
"But how would gas- I mean the entity be able to make us take over Kris?!" well, in the overworld, when we go to that bunker like area where we find snowy and monster kid saying how kris was a pussy for getting scared of whatever was in there, implying that Kris knows what's down there, saw it, and it terrified them.
Now, how could I possibly tie this to the entity? Because, when you try calling using your cellphone, what plays? '* It's just garbage noise.'
the same thing that plays in gasters entry.
It seems, whatever scared kris in the bunker was the entity, and it seems this meeting between the two is why we control Kris.