It is by far the best part. If it ever changes I am gonna cry. There is nothing better than being hit with that rich SpongeBob Soph notification knowing you are in for a banger of a deltarune theory
0:45 zero photons would be producing no light. Negative photons would imply it's emitting darkness. You could imagine that, if it was a lamp, turning it on would make the room darker.
It's a lot like what happens when Kris and Susie open the doors to the storage closet in chapter 1 and the computer lab in chapter 2. You can see the darkness spilling out into the room like negative light.
@@olivius8891 I would say that it’s more of emitting darkness, anti-photon, rather than absorbing light as there are many instances of defined LIGHT in the darkworld, without it going away like it being sealed Those instances being: Castle Town and the Great Board (these two seem to be connected with its puzzle sign “When you step into the light you’ll return to where you were before”) And then potentially there’s the “power” from the save points and the “power” that is shined during the King and Queen fights So for both to exist at once it would probably be that it’s a mix of photon and anti-photon where the anti-photons are stronger Rather than any light disappearing
@olivius8891 most likely emit some kind of opposite particle that the devices read as negative photons. If it absorbed all light it would still have only a zero photon reading. It would be black. Actual black, but it wouldn't emit some kind of anti light.
If it were negative photons, yes. But it says photon *readings* negative, which implies instead that there are no positive photons, meaning either no or negative photons.
The dark truth behind UNDERTALE. In the 1970's a team of scientists led by Walter Davis Gaster, assisted by Pepe Russ and Samuel Ans, were researching the possibility of creating an artificial black hole as a means of transport. The project was called "DER LAUTEN", German for "The Loud One", due to extremely loud noises that could be heard during the experiments. It was conducted in an underground facility as to be kept secret. However, one day an experiment went wrong that resulted in a catastrophic explosion. The bodies of P. Russ and S. Ans were found entirely skeletonized, however no remains of W.D. Gaster were ever found. Leading to theories that ultimately, the experiment was a success.
Chara's number is 9, because there isn't a higher number. (as they told Asriel in the newsletter) 9 makes it so that nothing can hurt you anymore. Gaster's number is 6. They are the same symbol, just upside-down. Chara's message was to delete this game and move onto the next one. Play through it once and be done with it. Treat it as nothing more than a game. With this in mind, I think, Gaster will encourage the opposite extreme. Play it over and over. Find all the secrets, 100% completion, dig into the code. You must find everything, see everything. Find a way to change fate. Find another ending in a 1? ending having game. Fall deeper and deeper into the fantasy and fiction.
Except the Genocide route isn’t about playing the game once, it’s about killing everyone just to see what would happen. It’s still motivated by completionism, it’s just a more destructive form of completionism from the characters’ perspective. But both ways of doing everything in the game involves repeatedly resetting their reality, and in the case of datamining, literally dissecting the fabric of reality.
Very fun video. One tangent I want to mention: The entity who discards your creation is heavily implied to not be Gaster. The text an speech changes in comparison to what comes before. In the Japanese version of Deltarune the manner of writing is extremely similar to Chara. Personally I think it's "Chara", but not the child from undertale, but rather what Chara describes themselves as at the end of the genocide route. They describe themselves as the player's desire to grow stronger, do everything in the game and then move on to the next one. I believe this entity could represent the same compulsion to see the game as nothing more on the game. Especially the "move on to the next [world]" fits well with this. I also want to point out how much emphasis is put on Deltarune being intended for people who have finished undertale. As such I think the connection between the two games will run deeper than things being similiar to each other and Gaster being hinted at (especially since one can finish undertale without seeing a single hint at Gaster or anything like him). Last but not least, I think Gaster being friends with kids being improbable is an argument I disagree with. In undertale the protagonist, a child, befriends all of the underground in th emost popular ending, and most of them are adults if not ancient.
@@ryanergo754 Kris if the equivalent of Frisk. Frisk is the name of the Protagonist in Undertale. Who we name is "chara" (Toby recommended to use your own name). Kris is the protagonist of deltarune. Who we name is 1. The discarded vessel 2. Ourselves (if we follow Toby's advice, the vessel's creator and "chara" share the same name).
2:01 - "And why is the Bunker's room ID 17?" It's an entry. An entrance. In trance? Did Gaster become entranced by Dark Worlds? (Joking. But yeah, that's some more of Toby Fox's trademark wordplay... at play. Heh...)
Making a comment just to say I love the phrase "Outside Reason." It references another video game series in its translation but that's for to you to find out. But it so simply makes sense by itself.
You say it'd be weird for gaster to be close friends with children. but isn't the whole premece of undertales pacifist route a child befriending a bunch of freaking adults.
Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room! A rubber room with rats,and rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room! A rubber room with rats,and rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once.
the cell phone works fine the reason it makes that sound in the dark world is because we are trying to call someone who is in the light world, that means whoever was talking to spamton went to the light world and stopped calling spamton, if my theory is correct then we could be able to call toriel in chapter 3 since she will be in the dark world
So could Gaster find a way to somehow escape the Dark World without sealing it? Ralsei can do that cause he and his fountain are weird, the party and Lancer can moce between Dark Worlds too (granted, they have to be close to each other and connected by a door.) So his shattering allows him to be in every world at once? Is this why he suddenly left the cyber world and how he must've moved from the Card Kingdom Dark World to the cyber one? After that he hid in the bunker and that's the last we've heard of him.
I know the continuity with Dark Worlds is weird... It's said they're created the same day the fountain is made but they have a deeper history reaching further than the time of their creation...). They're likely operating on Last thursadyism and the Dark Worlds exist without fountains but they're different when without a fountain? The fact that Queen was able to record the fountains creation... Did she just turned on camera mode as soon as she was able to, before the Knight was done? The fact the Dark Worlds are dark yet we can see everything completely fine as if there was light, what if it's just how the fountain allows lightners to percieve it?
7:45 You clearly state here that Gaster is the one speaking at the end of the gonermaker sequence. Was this a mistake? The all-caps and slow scientific speech aren't present, and the typer value isn't 666.
Typer value isn't always consistent with characters, they'll sometimes use slower ones for emphasis. I do agree that it is up in the air as to who talks during that last bit, but typer value is not good evidence to cite.
It’s really out of place for it to be gaster anyway, but it technically isn’t factual that it isn’t him so honestly it doesn’t matter I doubt we can figure out who was the speaker at the end yet anyway
Theory I like is that entry 17 isn't written butva video recording. This comes from us being told to bewear the man who *speaks* in hands, not writes in hands. But if it's a video recording why is it only a black screen with text, I hear you. I mean of course it's black because we are in complete darkness.
Excellent video as always. Content creators like yourself are the reason why I cannot wait for the next chapters. Because after I have devoured every single line of text Toby has given us for hours on end, I plan on binging all the reactions and theories and discussions you guys come up with. Its going to be such a GOOD TIME. As for this vid, when it comes to what exactly Gaster was doing in the entry, I always like a theory I read a while ago that while not really all that reasonable, makes sense and would be pretty cool. In that, Gaster didn't create and/or fall into a dark WORLD per se, but the fountain. Because the thing about the fountain is, its clearly a thing in the dark world itself that is erupting darkness and that eruption is coming from the hole or tear or whatever was opened to cause it. That is something you could go in. We currently have NO idea what would happen if you did that. But it sure seems like a question you would want to answer. What is on the other side of the source of darkness? The theory about it I read said that what is on the other side is the depths that is mentioned in some files names etc, and that opening a dark world is letting the depths leak out. And the roaring would be letting enough out that it can just take over. So there may be a non zero chance we do go into a fountain directly. And also, there is a legit chance the experiment in Entry 17 was Gaster going in there, and that is currently where he is trapped (and also probably maybe Dess?). Then the expansion of this theory I came up with that would be insane but also very, very interesting. Is that the depths could be a middle ground between a dark fountain in undertale. Meaning, they are indirectly connected by this, and Gaster was from Undertale and by going into said fountain, was able to switch worlds. Again, ridiculous, but sure would be fun to consider. Ultimately though I still think the main story is about Dess disappearing in a dark world, Kris knowing this, and Kris trying to find out how to get her back. Which involves needing to show others that Dark Worlds exist in order to help find her, and more importantly prove how she disappeared. Because her disappearance likely had something to do with Asgore, and thus maybe his divorce, which Kris isn't a fan of. Which is why you not once, but twice get the option to tell Undyne specifically about dark worlds, since we got that hint drop that Asgore used to be with the police and likely the event of Dess' disappearance was blamed on him. It all lines up nicely. I mean hell, I was just thinking based on the fact that text after goner maker Gaster is thought by most people to be someone other than Gaster. What if it was Kris that literally puts the player soul into them JUST as a desperate attempt to help find Dess? I can imagine that line of "Your Name Is..." being said by them right before thrusting the soul into them and the player taking over the "game" Yeah I am full of fun theories lol. Also finally, I think the reason Gaster was included in Undertale if anything, was simply an advertisement / intentional lead up to Deltarune. Toby fully planned to make Deltarune even before Undertale was done. I think the last stretch goal of the kickstarter was that he would make another game that he literally described as "darker". People who used to datamine Undertale after its release pretty much pieced together the timeline of when Gaster and all the related hidden stuff involving him started showing up in game files, and it was the development that likely happened after the kickstarter. It all lined up pretty nicely. It explains the website too. So all that stuff was put there as a teaser and leadup to Deltarune. Just like the clamgirl hinting at Susie would show up later.
There's more to it. Nothing in existence has negative photons, not something that we know of. Black holes are so heavy that photons (particles of light) are essentially "sucked in" if they're too close to the hole, but since they cannot escape the gravity, no light is being reflected back form the hole and into our eyes. We cannot comprehend the visuals of a black hole because no light reaches our eyes. However, that still makes a black hole, essentially, at "0 photons". Not negative. Everything that we can see, even darkness, has some photons in it, we just can't perceive it. Pure darkness is simply an absence of light, but it never goes into the negative. Since light and colour are both a form of radiation, this advanced Darkness would have to literally emit...darkness in a chaotic form of radiation or have no radiation at all, which would put it at 0 Kelvin? I don't know, it wouldn't work in the real world.
Uh. It's completely normal in most cultures for elderly, middle aged, young adult and adolescent people to be friends. You can be an adult and be friends with kids or elderly people. I personally like the idea of this very statement being said to Kris and Susie sometime in some next chapter, but whether that will make any sense timeline-wise or context-wise later is something only Toby and his team know.
^darkness in a chaotic form of radiation It would have to emit a kind of anti-photon, no? One that is the exact opposite of a photon and thus they get pulled together(opposites attract), neutralizing into nothingness, thus showing to our eyes as lack of light. A negative photon reading could instead, not be reading that there is a vaccum of photons, but instead the presence of these anti-photons. Though, how it would still have particle-wave duality is beyond me. Waves can also act like this, but only under very specific circumstances.
My theory is that the underground in undertale is a dark fountain and when he found out about dark fountains he was already inside one so when he made a dark fountain inside a dark fountain he got sucked into the abyss/the code and was fragmented across time and space
It should be noted that it is actually plausible that the bunker being room 17 is a coincidence. IIRC room id's are just order of creation, and would be very annoying to intentionally manipulate in GameMaker, and the bunker being room 17 is pretty logical looking at the previous 16. (For example, room 16 is the room north of the bunker.) Also it's no longer true as of Chapter 2. (All the room IDs got changed.)
While I totally see Toby as having intentionally created the map in order to have the bunker door be labelled 17th, the fact it changed definitely suggests that's either a coincidence, or there's enough 'gaster-y' things about it that such a minor reference was easily scrapped.
Don't know how to word this, but I'll try: The knight is called the 'Roaring Knight' and they fit with the chess/board game theming from the classroom's dark world. My initial thought was, what if it's meant to symbolize a horseman heralding/ushering an apocalypse? ‐------- I'm worried that the cost of producing the dark worlds and leaving them open/in too close proximity to each other would lead to a freak nuclear fallout as a result. Gaster seems ill concerned to the havoc left in wake of would-be attempts at playing creator. And if not directly by his hand then spreading influence to vulnerable, naive, or unhappy people. Curious then, that the current friend roster in Deltarune (including Kris) is rife with troubled people, so no doubt there will be devil's advocate popping in to say hello again. ---------- Ralsei growing to appreciate Susie's aggressive nature, his almost cloying affection at times, and him flipping out after Queen's battle tracks a little more if he had seen the destruction of the roaring first-hand. He's a nagging safety that wants to help, but also not be too pushy to where he'd be disregarded as a nuisance. ------- 🙇 if ya made it this far, thanks! Tried to be as concise as possible.
I still think the "you two" are Sans and Papyrus. They always could've moved to HomeTown from the bunker, or even the next town over after they realized their old boss was incapacitated or about to be. Heck, we still haven't met Papyrus yet (I don't think) so he could still be working on the experiment while Sans holds down the fort with his sales job(s). Plus, they have the same backstory of Suddenly Appearing One Day in Undertale, so that might tie in somehow.
@@hougen8695 We don't really know that though. It's still the most likely scenario based on a lot of the more obvious hints. Like everything about Sans in his room, comments during his Geno fight, the fact they just "showed up" in BOTH towns they are in. All 3 just jumped into a dark fountain and two of them managed to make it all the way to Deltarune's world :D
I think it could be possible that Gaster used to communicate with Spamton when he was still properly alive, and when he got split, he ceased communications, leaving only the noise from his fragmented existence interfering with communication devices. As for the importance of the bunker, it could be gaster's entry point into this world, or where that fragment of him is.
What if gaster is in deltarune too, but he is like a deltarune-universe version of himself. So not him, but still him. Like how toriel is in both games for example
I like the idea that when the Gaster followers say he fell into his creation, they actually are talking about a dark world, but not a single layer of darkness. When you enter a dark world, it IS done by falling. But what about a dark world created in another dark world? On their own, they already fragment reality, granting sentience, memories, and free will to inanimate objects. Ralsei already explained that the creation of many dark fountains at once (the repeated fragmenting of reality) causes the Roaring and awakens the titans. But Berdly was about to open a dark fountain INSIDE a dark world, fragmenting reality within an already broken space. Bringing forth darkness within darkness. I think Gaster fell so deep within this darkness that HE ended being shattered as well, resulting in the enigmatic former royal scientist we know and love today.
I really really love listening to you. Your videos just make me want to hear more. If you would start this channel couple of years earlier, im 100% sure your viewer count would be soo high. Im looking forward for more of your theories
Additionally to Kris' phone noise, in chapter 2, the flavor text after calling has been altered, to instead say "it's nothing but garbage noise". *Just like how the blue addison described what they heard on Spamton's phone.*
I like to think Gaster has always tried to contact us from Undertale to carry out this experiment, it seems more accurate to his character as someone who wanted to establish a connection from before and it's something that was predestined to happen even way before than Undertale seeing that Toby wanted to make Deltarune before. Edit: *I JUST WATCHED THE WHOLE VIDEO AGAIN AND I DIDN'T REALIZE BECAUSE MY MIND WAS ON THE [[Clouds]] LOOKING INTO [[ H E A V E N ]] THINKING ABOUT GASTER TALKING TO IMAGE FRIEND AND THE KNIGHT AND THEN YOU CAME UP WITH THE SAME THING LMFAO*
You sound a bit like Sophia Falcone from The Penguin tv series. I like the idea that a terrifying, emotionally unstable crime boss makes Undertale theory videos in her spare time.
Important note pointed out by recent theories this year, but the implication that entry 17 is a recording whereas the other entries are written can be extrapolated to meaning that some of the other entires are ALSO from gaster
mus_smile is actually a slowed down version of the muffet laugh sound effect iirc, I doubt that that’s actually important, but if it is somehow that would be interesting. Also I think (unless I’ve misunderstood other videos) that you’re the first person I’ve seen make a theory where UT’s and DR’s Gasters are two different characters and not somehow the same one, so it’s nice seeing something different from a Gaster theory
You are like a less obnoxious MatPat! Don’t get me wrong, he is not obnoxious and he is a great man, but you are more focused on things I am interested in. you are casual and chill and that made this video fun to watch. I actually am genuinely exited to see more of your content!
@11:36-. Allegedly, from what I hear, object numbers in game maker are assigned automatically, with no manual option. As a consequence: it is actually just impossible for this to be intentional, unless we assume that Toby Fox did the most annoying series of trial and error possible in order to guarantee the bunker is number 17. This is not the strongest piece of evidence, it is easily the weakest, since it only makes sense to assume Toby Fox did this intentionally if we have other reasons to assume this bunker is connected to Gaster. And even then, we would also need evidence that he's willing to put an equivalent amount of effort for other similarly hidden things, and an explanation as to why he chose 17 over 06.
A few things. After having mentioned that the typer values are very important and how every character has their own unique one, I feel I'd be remiss to not mention that at 7:42 you state that Gaster is the one who "destroys" the vessel, when the speaker very definitely seems to change. The typer value is different in that final line, and it's also important to note that the person speaking is not necessarily saying that the vessel is being "destroyed", only that it's being "discarded". Similar to how the data for the Thrash Machine from chapter one was saved in the files to be used in chapter 2, the data for the vessel is also saved for currently unknown reasons, so it's safe to say that it may come back in the future. We also don't know whether it was Gaster or this other speaker that directed us to possess Kris, or why they did it. There's just way too much we don't know yet in the story to be able to say for sure. Also, it is theorized that the other speaker could be Chara, as in the Japanese version, their speech patterns are very similar. Do with that what you will.
7:46 it’s unlikely that it’s Gaster speaking when our creation is “discarded” as it is no longer in all caps, as well as Gaster speaking in short lines while the person at the end speaks in full sentences. Some have theorized that it’s Chara or Kris speaking, or someone else we don’t know about.
Heya, just an idea but "photon readings negative" could also mean that something is EMITTING darkness. Since negative photons could be seen as darkness, and i dont think any scientist would actually say "damn its dark" in such a goofy way.
How many times am i going to hear the "bunker darkroom" theory? If there were two dark worlds, and another one in the bunker, that would cause the roaring.
I think you might be right, a lot of things can make us think entry 17 takes place in Deltarune. I'm just not sure for the two people Gaster is talking to, because, as you said, entry 17 may be a tease for Deltarune, and I'm not sure it was relevant to refer to characters like "friend" and the knight. I really enjoy your video, it's always interesting to discuss about Gaster 😁
8:00 i personally believe text that tells you your character will be discarded, isn't actually Gaster at al, rather an outside entity that hijacked the creator sequence
something i want to mention at 18:34 i dont think we should be using the fact that they moved in recently to be a valid reason for the "2 people" to be not them, because gaster clearly has huge relations with them in undertale due to many reasons, the name after font etc etc. but i think it should be kept in mind that sans' room in undertale is literally a dark world, at least it is very reminiscent of one from the colorful flame things coming under the door and the complete dark void fakeout when we first enter, so theres clearly some relation to the entry 17 experiment, and the possibility of dark worlds existing in undertale. Not to mention, in both of the games, both for sans and papyrus it is stated that they moved in recently, quote on quote "showed up suddenly" and i kind of find it bizarre that they have the same exact house from undertale, as if they were just copy pasted in there. And we for sure know sans is aware of the existence of these dark worlds and alternate universes like deltarune from his genocide fight dialouges, as well as having worked in the true lab with alphys and the broken machine right behind their house, im almost certain sans has to be AT LEAST one of the 2 guys experimenting within the timeline jumping, dark worlds and stuff with gaster and that they manage to jump between alternate universes together, in my headcanon anyway, from how much the sans from ut and dr are similar i really support the idea that the 2 skeletons and him together jumped into this experiment to go to deltarune, or some stuff like that this is kinda far streched lol but i get lost in the thoughts sometimes. Regardless i really see the possibility that sans papyrus and gaster were all in this dark world stuff all together, only time will tell anyway. Great video!
0:46 i don't read this as "negative" as in the opposite of "affirmative", i.e. no light; i read this as instead "this thing is emitting negative amounts of light (somehow)" (this would agree with the visual depiction of dark worlds as you mentioned; the negative light it's emitting results in an unnatural dark glow)
If the Dark World interferes with electronics, why isn't the near entirety of Cyber World not a complete cacophony of Mus_Smile? Why just Kris's cell and Spamton's phone *after* the Addison begins listening in? Why would it be slowing down outside of the Shelter in that case?
If we are using the patterns such as the allcaps and windings to identify Gaster, seems kinda illogical to assume the nihilistic voice is him when is breaking the initial pattern. Like not saying his entire character isn't obviously ethically questionable (nor that he isn't in DR) specially when we take the secret bosses into consideration, but sticking the nihilistic tone to him when the dialogue breaks all the patterns we've been using until now doesn't adds up: The fair assumption there would be, imo, that such voice is another unknown person (And our accident with Kris is that, an accident caused by such unknown person). Also, while I do Understand the initial assumption of Gaster not falling into a DW because DWs doesn't seems to shatter you, is reasonable to point out DWs are "in the sorroundings" of their respective fountains: We don't know what could happen if you fall into the Fountain in itself, ergo is possible what happened to Gaster specfically was an accident and he fell into the fountain specifically shattering himself in the process. Is also worth mentiotning that the capacity to create fountains is tied to Determination, something in DR is a common thing between all the lightners but in UT is tied specifically to Humans: So another, more risky way to open one is possible. (In the same way is possible for monsters to have determination, at the cost of the stability of their physical form) With those points being questionable, I think is more reasonable to assume the general consensus: UT!Gaster finds out about the DWs. Somehow, such finding goes wrong, and he falls into his creation, which is reasonable to assume is a fountain. Shattered across "time and space" (this is extremely important and difficult), he finds DR's world. For some reason, he decides to build a connection for us. Such process gets interrupted by someone else, don't know how, don't know why, but the result is us ending in Kris body. Things gets complicated when you try to add Sans and Papyrus into the equation, because the order of events stops making sense if you want to assume our Gaster is "UT!Gaster" specifically, but I would just stick with the "shatter across >time< and space" and manage the possibility of time being messed up too in his case, justifying a seemingly illogical order of the events.
Knowing gaster is being friendly to the 2 entry 17 people I can't help put imagine him talking to friend and knight and being all Like "YOOO GUYS CHACK THIS OUT BUDS THIS SHIT IS **DOPE** "
So castle town is in the bunker and that's why its "a place you can go to no matter what's happening outside" Which kinda sounds like a bunker (Since by this theory's hypothesis, a dark world is in the bunker, and there is only 1 dark world after a chapter's ending. The only dark world that could be there is castle town. Probably that's why spooky cliffs are there)
Not all the files pertaining to Gaster or Gaster-adjacent things in Deltarune have the all-caps/'PROGRAM' naming scheme. For example, Mus_Smile (though, 'snd_smile' in this case, as it's just the first 6 seconds) still has the typical naming scheme that the vast majority of files do, just like in Undertale. The difference is that the PROGRAM name scheme is used for files pertaining to assets in the menus, Goner Maker (not just the Goner Maker) and things like that. This is important because, currently, FRIEND is the only exception to this rule, being that it does not originate from any sort of out-universe sequence as of Ch1+2. That's why it's so unsettling.
I have a theory that the true lab is actually the bunker from deltarune, and the reason the logs are there is because it’s a leftover world from when deltarunes timeline was erased ,during erasure of the timeline. The bunker is where, sans, papyrus , and gaster were left while the events of post deltarune (reset of the game or timeline as a whole) take place
Also weird little plot point I’d like to build off of is You know how “undertale” is “deltarune” rearranged or jumbled , the idea of anagrams and recreation is very very prevalent in undertale and deltarunes identity. Like I feel like this is a big key to the mystery right under our noses The game drops a word search, papyruses main trap is based on the idea of jumbling tiles A little bit of a reach but, does anyone know what… trousle means, it means to make untidy, disassembled, disheveled , As if it’s being torn and recreated Gasters entire identity is based around being shattered and dispersed and basically jumbled across the timeline, Im not sure where I was going with this, but food for thought a bit
Slight correction: "Photon readings negative" doesn't mean produces no light. it's more like darkness gains the properties of light which explains the moment when Susie and Kris first enter the dark world the darkness of the room starts to "illuminate" the hallway.
If you interpret "negative" as meaning "absent," "photon readings negative" would mean that there are no photons being detected. If you interpret "negative" as meaning negative in the numerical sense, then you could interpret it as detecting particles that emit darkness as you've said.
Actually. Gaster doest say that the vessel will be discarded. Gaster speaks in all caps, and that text is not. Also if you look into the japanese translation you can find even more diffrences beetween the text that gaster speaks and the text. Halfbreadchaos made a great video about it. (Sorry for bad englsh)
8:45 just wondering where it says that (probably)gaster gave spamton "flattery advice and predictions" because i think that that is what flowey was doing to papyrus in undertale
12:45 if this is true it explains a lot why he "speaks in hands" but doesn't write in hands. What if wingdigs as a font is used merely to represent the static in the message in a visual form while the song mus_smile is the actual audio.
I hadn't thought of the specifics of the electronics that much, but.. Kris's phone stays a phone in the Dark World - other possessions get replaced by Dark World versions. (Dark Phone?) Also Kris is calling Toriel, and like you said it should just be silent or say "failed to connect to network" or something. If the phone is still normal, then it *is* connecting to the network and Toriel to start a call but the call audio signal is scrambled. Of course, the Dark World or Gaster could just be controlling how calls connect. Tl;dr I'm interested to see what happens if Kris and Toriel call each other in Chapter 3...
Where does Gaster go after he disappears when you find him in Undertale? Could he be teleporting to the Deltarune world? If Sans is aware of the different timelines in Undertale, couldn’t Gaster be aware of (and even control) its different spaces? Is it possible Gaster’s Deltarune counterpart is the original Gaster? To the point of Gaster potentially being a villain in Deltarune, if Sans’s weapon is called the “Gaster Blaster”, does that imply it was created to blast Gaster? Is there a connection between the Hotland theme Another Medium and Another Him? Could “medium” reference space, or worlds?
What about the gaster followers? maybe gaster was talking to two od them while making his experiment, thats why they remember him and knew what happened, maybe they were afected by the experiment as well thats why they have a dark pallete and vanish just like gaster did
14:44 then i think that gaster is the knight of chapter one (as a multiple-knights theorist & a believer that he will be the big 'villain' of deltarune)
No matter how important he ends up being, Gaster's reveal will be extremely difficult to pull off. Imagine someone who's never read or heard a single video about the game just seeing this randim guy pop up, jo idea who he is, and the game has to somehow catch them up to at least some modicum of our thousands of hours of analysis over years LMAO. And then ALSO has to meet up to the expectations and hype of people like us? Toby must be under a lot of pressure. I know he's got this though
Entry 17 could take place during a future delta rune chapter and thus he could be talking to Kris and susie or Kris and Noelle based on if your on snowgrave or not, but hey that’s just a theory
Please let me know if my comments are too harsh. I just have high standards for understanding and teaching about the game, so I have a tendency to get more worked up about it than I really should.
5:34 i mean sure , but what if entry 17 was made before the creation of the core , and later on he fell in it? Think about it , ignoring the true lab amalgam plot , why would there be a Determination extraction machine?wmy theory goes : in the end of the human/monster war , since determination is a strong power when it comes to humans , what if gaster had extracted tons of it from the human cadavers left from the war , used it to infinitely fuel the core. And since determination has anomalous propreties , what doesnt say that as Gaster fell into a titanic dose of determination , that it simply tore him entirely from existence? We do know injecting dt into monsters makes them MELT , but what if a monster is plunged into a high concentrated dose of it in high amounts??
14:48 this is entirely irrelevant to the actual point of the video but i do wanna point out something about that-alphys in undertale is very obviously meant to be a weeb character, but in deltarune she’s more of a western cartoon fan, since instead of primarily talking about mmkc she talks about The Symptons, which is clearly meant to be a riff on the simpsons as opposed to tokyo mew mew. and it can probably be inferred that DR alphys doesn’t like anime in general much, at least not the same kind that UT alphys does, due to the complete opposite review of mmkc 2 in the teen zone-in fact, that being the only mention of anything mmkc related in deltarune as far as i know. so that might be interesting to think about re parallels also, something to add about the stuff about gaster in deltarune being planned since before undertale-the fun event and gaster stuff was largely a very late addition to the game, to the point where some of it was bugged on initial release, and i kinda wonder if it was added once toby fox was like “yes. i have proven to myself that i can make a game. now that i can show what i’m made of, i am going to leave hints for what i’m going to do for the next thing i do.” or something like that
Great video, 2 points: -This is legit the first time someone talks about the creepy smile that appears in the Queen's basement. I didn't even knew their sprite name was IMAGE_FRIEND -While I do think it was Gaster speaking to us in the vessel creation sequence, I don't think it was hom who discarded the vessel. That other person doesn't speak in all caps and it's much more formal, without Gaster's iconic repetition of words and slow pacing. They sound similar to how Chara talks, but we don't know if it's them either.
I don t think gaster is villainous, at the character selection another type of wrighting is used to say "welp cannot use your vessel no more" he suddenly dissapear or maybe SOMEOME make him disapear, i think that what happend with jevil and spams, it said he SUDDENLY dissapear theire to maybe, he doesnt belong in this world and a higher entity try to prevent him interact with people and driving mad everyone who have knowledge him
You know Undertale/deltarune fans are losing it when they start thinking that a game from years before the next game is talking about the next game before anything about the next game is though or said.
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It is by far the best part. If it ever changes I am gonna cry. There is nothing better than being hit with that rich SpongeBob Soph notification knowing you are in for a banger of a deltarune theory
Sadly yours gives the opposite vibe
I know right? I weep every night due to its shire beauty
It makes me wanna draw gangsta ralsei giving the camera a thumbs up
@@leontriestoartA gangsta Ralsei trace of that art is out there. A Spamton one too, divorce shoes and all.
0:45 zero photons would be producing no light. Negative photons would imply it's emitting darkness. You could imagine that, if it was a lamp, turning it on would make the room darker.
It's a lot like what happens when Kris and Susie open the doors to the storage closet in chapter 1 and the computer lab in chapter 2. You can see the darkness spilling out into the room like negative light.
@@kingofflames738 So does it attract and absorb light to it or does it emit some kind of anti-photon particle?
@@olivius8891 I would say that it’s more of emitting darkness, anti-photon, rather than absorbing light as there are many instances of defined LIGHT in the darkworld, without it going away like it being sealed
Those instances being: Castle Town and the Great Board (these two seem to be connected with its puzzle sign “When you step into the light you’ll return to where you were before”)
And then potentially there’s the “power” from the save points and the “power” that is shined during the King and Queen fights
So for both to exist at once it would probably be that it’s a mix of photon and anti-photon where the anti-photons are stronger
Rather than any light disappearing
@olivius8891 most likely emit some kind of opposite particle that the devices read as negative photons. If it absorbed all light it would still have only a zero photon reading. It would be black. Actual black, but it wouldn't emit some kind of anti light.
If it were negative photons, yes. But it says photon *readings* negative, which implies instead that there are no positive photons, meaning either no or negative photons.
The dark truth behind UNDERTALE.
In the 1970's a team of scientists led by Walter Davis Gaster, assisted by Pepe Russ and Samuel Ans, were researching the possibility of creating an artificial black hole as a means of transport. The project was called "DER LAUTEN", German for "The Loud One", due to extremely loud noises that could be heard during the experiments. It was conducted in an underground facility as to be kept secret. However, one day an experiment went wrong that resulted in a catastrophic explosion. The bodies of P. Russ and S. Ans were found entirely skeletonized, however no remains of W.D. Gaster were ever found. Leading to theories that ultimately, the experiment was a success.
Wtf lmao
That actually goes hard lmao, good job!
this is beautiful
Peak
Guy casually drops the sequel to Event Horizon and thinks no one would notice
Chara's number is 9, because there isn't a higher number. (as they told Asriel in the newsletter) 9 makes it so that nothing can hurt you anymore. Gaster's number is 6. They are the same symbol, just upside-down. Chara's message was to delete this game and move onto the next one. Play through it once and be done with it. Treat it as nothing more than a game. With this in mind, I think, Gaster will encourage the opposite extreme. Play it over and over. Find all the secrets, 100% completion, dig into the code. You must find everything, see everything. Find a way to change fate. Find another ending in a 1? ending having game. Fall deeper and deeper into the fantasy and fiction.
That's such a great fucking concept holy shit
🔥✍️
Except the Genocide route isn’t about playing the game once, it’s about killing everyone just to see what would happen. It’s still motivated by completionism, it’s just a more destructive form of completionism from the characters’ perspective.
But both ways of doing everything in the game involves repeatedly resetting their reality, and in the case of datamining, literally dissecting the fabric of reality.
Chara is absolutely a completionist.
If anything Gaster seems to relate to trascending the game/breaking it, with glitches and such.
You'er cooking here
"Hello, im Wing Gaster, the royal scientist!"
Wing gangster 😨
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who up winging their ding rn?
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Very fun video. One tangent I want to mention:
The entity who discards your creation is heavily implied to not be Gaster. The text an speech changes in comparison to what comes before.
In the Japanese version of Deltarune the manner of writing is extremely similar to Chara.
Personally I think it's "Chara", but not the child from undertale, but rather what Chara describes themselves as at the end of the genocide route. They describe themselves as the player's desire to grow stronger, do everything in the game and then move on to the next one. I believe this entity could represent the same compulsion to see the game as nothing more on the game. Especially the "move on to the next [world]" fits well with this.
I also want to point out how much emphasis is put on Deltarune being intended for people who have finished undertale. As such I think the connection between the two games will run deeper than things being similiar to each other and Gaster being hinted at (especially since one can finish undertale without seeing a single hint at Gaster or anything like him).
Last but not least, I think Gaster being friends with kids being improbable is an argument I disagree with. In undertale the protagonist, a child, befriends all of the underground in th emost popular ending, and most of them are adults if not ancient.
Don't we already have Kris?
@@ryanergo754 Kris if the equivalent of Frisk.
Frisk is the name of the Protagonist in Undertale. Who we name is "chara" (Toby recommended to use your own name).
Kris is the protagonist of deltarune. Who we name is 1. The discarded vessel 2. Ourselves (if we follow Toby's advice, the vessel's creator and "chara" share the same name).
2:01 - "And why is the Bunker's room ID 17?"
It's an entry.
An entrance.
In trance?
Did Gaster become entranced by Dark Worlds? (Joking. But yeah, that's some more of Toby Fox's trademark wordplay... at play. Heh...)
Gaster uses what is tech-no-logical (tech that is outside reason.)
I love wordplay by the way.
Making a comment just to say I love the phrase "Outside Reason." It references another video game series in its translation but that's for to you to find out. But it so simply makes sense by itself.
The edit was on purpose. Hehehehehe...
@@Adomythicnoice wordplay, i love it too, if i had to say, i love wordplays a ton, a skele-ton.
*Badum-tsss*
You say it'd be weird for gaster to be close friends with children. but isn't the whole premece of undertales pacifist route a child befriending a bunch of freaking adults.
Haha, true.
But, like, is frisk actually a child? If so, why so many flirt options? I think chances are, frisk is in puberty, maybe they are 12-14.
I dunno, DOES IT?
We don't know yet...It could just be a fanon theory in the future
thats a nice pfp you got there
@@the-kc4gpi used to be like you two once... The trollfaced guy.
i don't know much but i know one thing that gaster dude be crazy..
GREY LENO
No way THE greyLeno loved your show
@@redwiltshire1816 Thankyou..🏎️
@GreyLeno But of course, you're right, you can't grasp that which is gaseous.
Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room! A rubber room with rats,and rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once. They locked me in a room. A rubber room! A rubber room with rats,and rats make me crazy. Crazy? I was crazy once.
The G_ster is basically manipulating events in a similar way to the player, if you think about it.
Or, in a similar way to a game developer/ROM hack maker. 🤔
Everyone hold the PHONE, SOPH UPLOADED
REAL?!?
I'm holding it but there's only garbage noise on the other end
the cell phone works fine the reason it makes that sound in the dark world is because we are trying to call someone who is in the light world, that means whoever was talking to spamton went to the light world and stopped calling spamton, if my theory is correct then we could be able to call toriel in chapter 3 since she will be in the dark world
Not a bad theory! But what about Jevil tho?
So could Gaster find a way to somehow escape the Dark World without sealing it?
Ralsei can do that cause he and his fountain are weird, the party and Lancer can moce between Dark Worlds too (granted, they have to be close to each other and connected by a door.)
So his shattering allows him to be in every world at once? Is this why he suddenly left the cyber world and how he must've moved from the Card Kingdom Dark World to the cyber one?
After that he hid in the bunker and that's the last we've heard of him.
I know the continuity with Dark Worlds is weird...
It's said they're created the same day the fountain is made but they have a deeper history reaching further than the time of their creation...). They're likely operating on Last thursadyism and the Dark Worlds exist without fountains but they're different when without a fountain?
The fact that Queen was able to record the fountains creation... Did she just turned on camera mode as soon as she was able to, before the Knight was done?
The fact the Dark Worlds are dark yet we can see everything completely fine as if there was light, what if it's just how the fountain allows lightners to percieve it?
@@Wailbouzidi242 What if the dark world in question doesn't have cell infrastructure?
I am very intelligent 🤓
"irrelevant side character" is a _wild_ statement at this point
7:45 You clearly state here that Gaster is the one speaking at the end of the gonermaker sequence. Was this a mistake? The all-caps and slow scientific speech aren't present, and the typer value isn't 666.
I noticed that too, however I don’t think that mistake affects the theory that much so it’s fine
Typer value isn't always consistent with characters, they'll sometimes use slower ones for emphasis. I do agree that it is up in the air as to who talks during that last bit, but typer value is not good evidence to cite.
It could be the same person as the first speaker. However I do think it's more likely to be another character.
Came to say this
It’s really out of place for it to be gaster anyway, but it technically isn’t factual that it isn’t him so honestly it doesn’t matter I doubt we can figure out who was the speaker at the end yet anyway
Theory I like is that entry 17 isn't written butva video recording. This comes from us being told to bewear the man who *speaks* in hands, not writes in hands.
But if it's a video recording why is it only a black screen with text, I hear you. I mean of course it's black because we are in complete darkness.
Excellent video as always. Content creators like yourself are the reason why I cannot wait for the next chapters. Because after I have devoured every single line of text Toby has given us for hours on end, I plan on binging all the reactions and theories and discussions you guys come up with. Its going to be such a GOOD TIME.
As for this vid, when it comes to what exactly Gaster was doing in the entry, I always like a theory I read a while ago that while not really all that reasonable, makes sense and would be pretty cool. In that, Gaster didn't create and/or fall into a dark WORLD per se, but the fountain. Because the thing about the fountain is, its clearly a thing in the dark world itself that is erupting darkness and that eruption is coming from the hole or tear or whatever was opened to cause it. That is something you could go in. We currently have NO idea what would happen if you did that. But it sure seems like a question you would want to answer. What is on the other side of the source of darkness?
The theory about it I read said that what is on the other side is the depths that is mentioned in some files names etc, and that opening a dark world is letting the depths leak out. And the roaring would be letting enough out that it can just take over. So there may be a non zero chance we do go into a fountain directly. And also, there is a legit chance the experiment in Entry 17 was Gaster going in there, and that is currently where he is trapped (and also probably maybe Dess?).
Then the expansion of this theory I came up with that would be insane but also very, very interesting. Is that the depths could be a middle ground between a dark fountain in undertale. Meaning, they are indirectly connected by this, and Gaster was from Undertale and by going into said fountain, was able to switch worlds. Again, ridiculous, but sure would be fun to consider.
Ultimately though I still think the main story is about Dess disappearing in a dark world, Kris knowing this, and Kris trying to find out how to get her back. Which involves needing to show others that Dark Worlds exist in order to help find her, and more importantly prove how she disappeared. Because her disappearance likely had something to do with Asgore, and thus maybe his divorce, which Kris isn't a fan of. Which is why you not once, but twice get the option to tell Undyne specifically about dark worlds, since we got that hint drop that Asgore used to be with the police and likely the event of Dess' disappearance was blamed on him. It all lines up nicely. I mean hell, I was just thinking based on the fact that text after goner maker Gaster is thought by most people to be someone other than Gaster. What if it was Kris that literally puts the player soul into them JUST as a desperate attempt to help find Dess? I can imagine that line of "Your Name Is..." being said by them right before thrusting the soul into them and the player taking over the "game"
Yeah I am full of fun theories lol.
Also finally, I think the reason Gaster was included in Undertale if anything, was simply an advertisement / intentional lead up to Deltarune. Toby fully planned to make Deltarune even before Undertale was done. I think the last stretch goal of the kickstarter was that he would make another game that he literally described as "darker". People who used to datamine Undertale after its release pretty much pieced together the timeline of when Gaster and all the related hidden stuff involving him started showing up in game files, and it was the development that likely happened after the kickstarter. It all lined up pretty nicely. It explains the website too. So all that stuff was put there as a teaser and leadup to Deltarune. Just like the clamgirl hinting at Susie would show up later.
There's more to it. Nothing in existence has negative photons, not something that we know of. Black holes are so heavy that photons (particles of light) are essentially "sucked in" if they're too close to the hole, but since they cannot escape the gravity, no light is being reflected back form the hole and into our eyes. We cannot comprehend the visuals of a black hole because no light reaches our eyes. However, that still makes a black hole, essentially, at "0 photons". Not negative. Everything that we can see, even darkness, has some photons in it, we just can't perceive it. Pure darkness is simply an absence of light, but it never goes into the negative. Since light and colour are both a form of radiation, this advanced Darkness would have to literally emit...darkness in a chaotic form of radiation or have no radiation at all, which would put it at 0 Kelvin? I don't know, it wouldn't work in the real world.
Okay, I think Jevil and Spamton's mental health situation is moreso an accidental byproduct and not intentional on Gaster's part.
Uh. It's completely normal in most cultures for elderly, middle aged, young adult and adolescent people to be friends. You can be an adult and be friends with kids or elderly people. I personally like the idea of this very statement being said to Kris and Susie sometime in some next chapter, but whether that will make any sense timeline-wise or context-wise later is something only Toby and his team know.
^darkness in a chaotic form of radiation
It would have to emit a kind of anti-photon, no? One that is the exact opposite of a photon and thus they get pulled together(opposites attract), neutralizing into nothingness, thus showing to our eyes as lack of light. A negative photon reading could instead, not be reading that there is a vaccum of photons, but instead the presence of these anti-photons. Though, how it would still have particle-wave duality is beyond me. Waves can also act like this, but only under very specific circumstances.
Well at least people thought nothing would escape a black hole until few years ago a observatory noted a light escaping black hole.
in the dark world straight up winging it and by it let’s just say my ding
My theory is that the underground in undertale is a dark fountain and when he found out about dark fountains he was already inside one so when he made a dark fountain inside a dark fountain he got sucked into the abyss/the code and was fragmented across time and space
Oh yeah, I kinda have a similar theory!
It should be noted that it is actually plausible that the bunker being room 17 is a coincidence.
IIRC room id's are just order of creation, and would be very annoying to intentionally manipulate in GameMaker, and the bunker being room 17 is pretty logical looking at the previous 16. (For example, room 16 is the room north of the bunker.)
Also it's no longer true as of Chapter 2. (All the room IDs got changed.)
While I totally see Toby as having intentionally created the map in order to have the bunker door be labelled 17th, the fact it changed definitely suggests that's either a coincidence, or there's enough 'gaster-y' things about it that such a minor reference was easily scrapped.
gaster references havea history of getting removed, too. damn...
Don't know how to word this, but I'll try:
The knight is called the 'Roaring Knight' and they fit with the chess/board game theming from the classroom's dark world.
My initial thought was, what if it's meant to symbolize a horseman heralding/ushering an apocalypse?
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I'm worried that the cost of producing the dark worlds and leaving them open/in too close proximity to each other would lead to a freak nuclear fallout as a result.
Gaster seems ill concerned to the havoc left in wake of would-be attempts at playing creator.
And if not directly by his hand then spreading influence to vulnerable, naive, or unhappy people.
Curious then, that the current friend roster in Deltarune (including Kris) is rife with troubled people, so no doubt there will be devil's advocate popping in to say hello again.
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Ralsei growing to appreciate Susie's aggressive nature, his almost cloying affection at times, and him flipping out after Queen's battle tracks a little more if he had seen the destruction of the roaring first-hand.
He's a nagging safety that wants to help, but also not be too pushy to where he'd be disregarded as a nuisance.
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🙇 if ya made it this far, thanks!
Tried to be as concise as possible.
I still think the "you two" are Sans and Papyrus. They always could've moved to HomeTown from the bunker, or even the next town over after they realized their old boss was incapacitated or about to be. Heck, we still haven't met Papyrus yet (I don't think) so he could still be working on the experiment while Sans holds down the fort with his sales job(s). Plus, they have the same backstory of Suddenly Appearing One Day in Undertale, so that might tie in somehow.
I really doupt its papyrus. Papyrus isnt smart enough to be part of an experiment like that
@@hougen8695 We don't really know that though.
It's still the most likely scenario based on a lot of the more obvious hints. Like everything about Sans in his room, comments during his Geno fight, the fact they just "showed up" in BOTH towns they are in.
All 3 just jumped into a dark fountain and two of them managed to make it all the way to Deltarune's world :D
My favorite non character wasd gayster
I think it could be possible that Gaster used to communicate with Spamton when he was still properly alive, and when he got split, he ceased communications, leaving only the noise from his fragmented existence interfering with communication devices. As for the importance of the bunker, it could be gaster's entry point into this world, or where that fragment of him is.
What if gaster is in deltarune too, but he is like a deltarune-universe version of himself. So not him, but still him. Like how toriel is in both games for example
I like the idea that when the Gaster followers say he fell into his creation, they actually are talking about a dark world, but not a single layer of darkness. When you enter a dark world, it IS done by falling. But what about a dark world created in another dark world? On their own, they already fragment reality, granting sentience, memories, and free will to inanimate objects. Ralsei already explained that the creation of many dark fountains at once (the repeated fragmenting of reality) causes the Roaring and awakens the titans. But Berdly was about to open a dark fountain INSIDE a dark world, fragmenting reality within an already broken space. Bringing forth darkness within darkness. I think Gaster fell so deep within this darkness that HE ended being shattered as well, resulting in the enigmatic former royal scientist we know and love today.
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I really really love listening to you. Your videos just make me want to hear more. If you would start this channel couple of years earlier, im 100% sure your viewer count would be soo high. Im looking forward for more of your theories
Additionally to Kris' phone noise, in chapter 2, the flavor text after calling has been altered, to instead say "it's nothing but garbage noise".
*Just like how the blue addison described what they heard on Spamton's phone.*
14:10 to answer your question a printer probably WOULD make printer noises because of the unused printer song thing from the newsletter
Great video as always! Underrated channel.
I like to think Gaster has always tried to contact us from Undertale to carry out this experiment, it seems more accurate to his character as someone who wanted to establish a connection from before and it's something that was predestined to happen even way before than Undertale seeing that Toby wanted to make Deltarune before.
Edit: *I JUST WATCHED THE WHOLE VIDEO AGAIN AND I DIDN'T REALIZE BECAUSE MY MIND WAS ON THE [[Clouds]] LOOKING INTO [[ H E A V E N ]] THINKING ABOUT GASTER TALKING TO IMAGE FRIEND AND THE KNIGHT AND THEN YOU CAME UP WITH THE SAME THING LMFAO*
gaster was just looking through the paperwork and put the documentation of entry 17 in some random place but only found it when undertale' story began
He was talking to walter and jesse, his two lab partners.
The evidence is all throughout both games.
i just love crackpot theories like these
This Pfp/Avatar is perfect
19:13 Very, Very, Interesting
You sound a bit like Sophia Falcone from The Penguin tv series.
I like the idea that a terrifying, emotionally unstable crime boss makes Undertale theory videos in her spare time.
Important note pointed out by recent theories this year, but the implication that entry 17 is a recording whereas the other entries are written can be extrapolated to meaning that some of the other entires are ALSO from gaster
mus_smile is actually a slowed down version of the muffet laugh sound effect iirc, I doubt that that’s actually important, but if it is somehow that would be interesting. Also I think (unless I’ve misunderstood other videos) that you’re the first person I’ve seen make a theory where UT’s and DR’s Gasters are two different characters and not somehow the same one, so it’s nice seeing something different from a Gaster theory
help, your so good at making videos and theories
You are like a less obnoxious MatPat!
Don’t get me wrong, he is not obnoxious and he is a great man, but you are more focused on things I am interested in. you are casual and chill and that made this video fun to watch. I actually am genuinely exited to see more of your content!
@11:36-. Allegedly, from what I hear, object numbers in game maker are assigned automatically, with no manual option. As a consequence: it is actually just impossible for this to be intentional, unless we assume that Toby Fox did the most annoying series of trial and error possible in order to guarantee the bunker is number 17. This is not the strongest piece of evidence, it is easily the weakest, since it only makes sense to assume Toby Fox did this intentionally if we have other reasons to assume this bunker is connected to Gaster. And even then, we would also need evidence that he's willing to put an equivalent amount of effort for other similarly hidden things, and an explanation as to why he chose 17 over 06.
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A few things.
After having mentioned that the typer values are very important and how every character has their own unique one, I feel I'd be remiss to not mention that at 7:42 you state that Gaster is the one who "destroys" the vessel, when the speaker very definitely seems to change. The typer value is different in that final line, and it's also important to note that the person speaking is not necessarily saying that the vessel is being "destroyed", only that it's being "discarded".
Similar to how the data for the Thrash Machine from chapter one was saved in the files to be used in chapter 2, the data for the vessel is also saved for currently unknown reasons, so it's safe to say that it may come back in the future.
We also don't know whether it was Gaster or this other speaker that directed us to possess Kris, or why they did it. There's just way too much we don't know yet in the story to be able to say for sure.
Also, it is theorized that the other speaker could be Chara, as in the Japanese version, their speech patterns are very similar. Do with that what you will.
I can totally see playing deltarune. Beating it and with everything learned about the game I would replay undertale comes full circle "angels heaven"
the bell is hit
Great video, loved it as always!
7:46 it’s unlikely that it’s Gaster speaking when our creation is “discarded” as it is no longer in all caps, as well as Gaster speaking in short lines while the person at the end speaks in full sentences. Some have theorized that it’s Chara or Kris speaking, or someone else we don’t know about.
Heya, just an idea but "photon readings negative" could also mean that something is EMITTING darkness. Since negative photons could be seen as darkness, and i dont think any scientist would actually say "damn its dark" in such a goofy way.
How many times am i going to hear the "bunker darkroom" theory? If there were two dark worlds, and another one in the bunker, that would cause the roaring.
I think you might be right, a lot of things can make us think entry 17 takes place in Deltarune. I'm just not sure for the two people Gaster is talking to, because, as you said, entry 17 may be a tease for Deltarune, and I'm not sure it was relevant to refer to characters like "friend" and the knight.
I really enjoy your video, it's always interesting to discuss about Gaster 😁
8:00 i personally believe text that tells you your character will be discarded, isn't actually Gaster at al, rather an outside entity that hijacked the creator sequence
something i want to mention at 18:34
i dont think we should be using the fact that they moved in recently to be a valid reason for the "2 people" to be not them, because gaster clearly has huge relations with them in undertale due to many reasons, the name after font etc etc. but i think it should be kept in mind that sans' room in undertale is literally a dark world, at least it is very reminiscent of one from the colorful flame things coming under the door and the complete dark void fakeout when we first enter, so theres clearly some relation to the entry 17 experiment, and the possibility of dark worlds existing in undertale. Not to mention, in both of the games, both for sans and papyrus it is stated that they moved in recently, quote on quote "showed up suddenly" and i kind of find it bizarre that they have the same exact house from undertale, as if they were just copy pasted in there. And we for sure know sans is aware of the existence of these dark worlds and alternate universes like deltarune from his genocide fight dialouges, as well as having worked in the true lab with alphys and the broken machine right behind their house, im almost certain sans has to be AT LEAST one of the 2 guys experimenting within the timeline jumping, dark worlds and stuff with gaster and that they manage to jump between alternate universes together, in my headcanon anyway, from how much the sans from ut and dr are similar i really support the idea that the 2 skeletons and him together jumped into this experiment to go to deltarune, or some stuff like that this is kinda far streched lol but i get lost in the thoughts sometimes. Regardless i really see the possibility that sans papyrus and gaster were all in this dark world stuff all together, only time will tell anyway. Great video!
0:46 i don't read this as "negative" as in the opposite of "affirmative", i.e. no light; i read this as instead "this thing is emitting negative amounts of light (somehow)"
(this would agree with the visual depiction of dark worlds as you mentioned; the negative light it's emitting results in an unnatural dark glow)
If the Dark World interferes with electronics, why isn't the near entirety of Cyber World not a complete cacophony of Mus_Smile? Why just Kris's cell and Spamton's phone *after* the Addison begins listening in? Why would it be slowing down outside of the Shelter in that case?
and also, if it interferes with electronics nearby (outside of the dark world) then how is the computer lab they begin in even functional?
If we are using the patterns such as the allcaps and windings to identify Gaster, seems kinda illogical to assume the nihilistic voice is him when is breaking the initial pattern.
Like not saying his entire character isn't obviously ethically questionable (nor that he isn't in DR) specially when we take the secret bosses into consideration, but sticking the nihilistic tone to him when the dialogue breaks all the patterns we've been using until now doesn't adds up: The fair assumption there would be, imo, that such voice is another unknown person (And our accident with Kris is that, an accident caused by such unknown person).
Also, while I do Understand the initial assumption of Gaster not falling into a DW because DWs doesn't seems to shatter you, is reasonable to point out DWs are "in the sorroundings" of their respective fountains: We don't know what could happen if you fall into the Fountain in itself, ergo is possible what happened to Gaster specfically was an accident and he fell into the fountain specifically shattering himself in the process.
Is also worth mentiotning that the capacity to create fountains is tied to Determination, something in DR is a common thing between all the lightners but in UT is tied specifically to Humans: So another, more risky way to open one is possible. (In the same way is possible for monsters to have determination, at the cost of the stability of their physical form)
With those points being questionable, I think is more reasonable to assume the general consensus:
UT!Gaster finds out about the DWs.
Somehow, such finding goes wrong, and he falls into his creation, which is reasonable to assume is a fountain.
Shattered across "time and space" (this is extremely important and difficult), he finds DR's world.
For some reason, he decides to build a connection for us.
Such process gets interrupted by someone else, don't know how, don't know why, but the result is us ending in Kris body.
Things gets complicated when you try to add Sans and Papyrus into the equation, because the order of events stops making sense if you want to assume our Gaster is "UT!Gaster" specifically, but I would just stick with the "shatter across >time< and space" and manage the possibility of time being messed up too in his case, justifying a seemingly illogical order of the events.
Knowing gaster is being friendly to the 2 entry 17 people I can't help put imagine him talking to friend and knight and being all Like "YOOO GUYS CHACK THIS OUT BUDS THIS SHIT IS **DOPE** "
So castle town is in the bunker and that's why its "a place you can go to no matter what's happening outside" Which kinda sounds like a bunker
(Since by this theory's hypothesis, a dark world is in the bunker, and there is only 1 dark world after a chapter's ending. The only dark world that could be there is castle town. Probably that's why spooky cliffs are there)
Not all the files pertaining to Gaster or Gaster-adjacent things in Deltarune have the all-caps/'PROGRAM' naming scheme. For example, Mus_Smile (though, 'snd_smile' in this case, as it's just the first 6 seconds) still has the typical naming scheme that the vast majority of files do, just like in Undertale. The difference is that the PROGRAM name scheme is used for files pertaining to assets in the menus, Goner Maker (not just the Goner Maker) and things like that. This is important because, currently, FRIEND is the only exception to this rule, being that it does not originate from any sort of out-universe sequence as of Ch1+2. That's why it's so unsettling.
if there was a dark world in the bunker it would bring the Roaring
I have a theory that the true lab is actually the bunker from deltarune, and the reason the logs are there is because it’s a leftover world from when deltarunes timeline was erased
,during erasure of the timeline.
The bunker is where, sans, papyrus , and gaster were left while the events of post deltarune (reset of the game or timeline as a whole) take place
Also weird little plot point I’d like to build off of is
You know how “undertale” is “deltarune” rearranged or jumbled , the idea of anagrams and recreation is very very prevalent in undertale and deltarunes identity. Like I feel like this is a big key to the mystery right under our noses
The game drops a word search, papyruses main trap is based on the idea of jumbling tiles
A little bit of a reach but, does anyone know what… trousle means, it means to make untidy, disassembled, disheveled ,
As if it’s being torn and recreated
Gasters entire identity is based around being shattered and dispersed and basically jumbled across the timeline,
Im not sure where I was going with this, but food for thought a bit
Slight correction: "Photon readings negative" doesn't mean produces no light.
it's more like darkness gains the properties of light which explains the moment when Susie and Kris first enter the dark world the darkness of the room starts to "illuminate" the hallway.
If you interpret "negative" as meaning "absent," "photon readings negative" would mean that there are no photons being detected.
If you interpret "negative" as meaning negative in the numerical sense, then you could interpret it as detecting particles that emit darkness as you've said.
@@disappointedcucumber There would be zero readings rather than negative.
@@rafsandomierz5313 If you get a negative result for a cancer test, it means you don't have cancer, not that you have negative cancer.
@@disappointedcucumber Measuring amount of photons and detecting cancer are different from each other.
I'm just blown away by how undertale wasn't even what he wanted to make and it's as good as it is
Actually. Gaster doest say that the vessel will be discarded. Gaster speaks in all caps, and that text is not. Also if you look into the japanese translation you can find even more diffrences beetween the text that gaster speaks and the text. Halfbreadchaos made a great video about it. (Sorry for bad englsh)
"Hello, I'm William Dinginson Gaster!"
*sigh*
time to binge undertale and deltarune speculations i guess. :P
8:45 just wondering where it says that (probably)gaster gave spamton "flattery advice and predictions" because i think that that is what flowey was doing to papyrus in undertale
Great vídeo, so many things i never knew, knowing that game since It Launched, nice GAme theory nerd :))))
I was just looking through subs yesterday and was like “huh. Soph hasn’t posted in a minute.” Now here we are lol
12:45 if this is true it explains a lot why he "speaks in hands" but doesn't write in hands. What if wingdigs as a font is used merely to represent the static in the message in a visual form while the song mus_smile is the actual audio.
"Another Gaster video? Really?"... said NOBODY, we WILL be LISTENING
I hadn't thought of the specifics of the electronics that much, but..
Kris's phone stays a phone in the Dark World - other possessions get replaced by Dark World versions. (Dark Phone?) Also Kris is calling Toriel, and like you said it should just be silent or say "failed to connect to network" or something. If the phone is still normal, then it *is* connecting to the network and Toriel to start a call but the call audio signal is scrambled. Of course, the Dark World or Gaster could just be controlling how calls connect.
Tl;dr I'm interested to see what happens if Kris and Toriel call each other in Chapter 3...
Do you plan to make a video on the new Tsunagari chess school game?
I'm still convinced Undertale IS a Darkworld, one made from the game Asriel is designing in his room.
Where does Gaster go after he disappears when you find him in Undertale? Could he be teleporting to the Deltarune world? If Sans is aware of the different timelines in Undertale, couldn’t Gaster be aware of (and even control) its different spaces? Is it possible Gaster’s Deltarune counterpart is the original Gaster?
To the point of Gaster potentially being a villain in Deltarune, if Sans’s weapon is called the “Gaster Blaster”, does that imply it was created to blast Gaster?
Is there a connection between the Hotland theme Another Medium and Another Him? Could “medium” reference space, or worlds?
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What about the gaster followers? maybe gaster was talking to two od them while making his experiment, thats why they remember him and knew what happened, maybe they were afected by the experiment as well thats why they have a dark pallete and vanish just like gaster did
What's the song you used in the background at 8:00, please? :D
14:44 then i think that gaster is the knight of chapter one (as a multiple-knights theorist & a believer that he will be the big 'villain' of deltarune)
3:45 hundred views huh
7:31 Bro is literally him
IMAGE_FRIEND in thumbnail, awesomesauce...
No matter how important he ends up being, Gaster's reveal will be extremely difficult to pull off. Imagine someone who's never read or heard a single video about the game just seeing this randim guy pop up, jo idea who he is, and the game has to somehow catch them up to at least some modicum of our thousands of hours of analysis over years LMAO. And then ALSO has to meet up to the expectations and hype of people like us? Toby must be under a lot of pressure. I know he's got this though
Entry 17 could take place during a future delta rune chapter and thus he could be talking to Kris and susie or Kris and Noelle based on if your on snowgrave or not, but hey that’s just a theory
DELTARUNE THEORY LETS GOOOO
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@@MegaLinketthreatened by the ratatouille?
What if the machine in sans garage is whats making that noise in the background of the recording
Please let me know if my comments are too harsh. I just have high standards for understanding and teaching about the game, so I have a tendency to get more worked up about it than I really should.
5:34 i mean sure , but what if entry 17 was made before the creation of the core , and later on he fell in it? Think about it , ignoring the true lab amalgam plot , why would there be a Determination extraction machine?wmy theory goes : in the end of the human/monster war , since determination is a strong power when it comes to humans , what if gaster had extracted tons of it from the human cadavers left from the war , used it to infinitely fuel the core. And since determination has anomalous propreties , what doesnt say that as Gaster fell into a titanic dose of determination , that it simply tore him entirely from existence? We do know injecting dt into monsters makes them MELT , but what if a monster is plunged into a high concentrated dose of it in high amounts??
I'm winging my ding until i gaster
that mf gaster tried making a dark world in a dark world and get sent to a normal world where he is god and can create dark worlds
14:48 this is entirely irrelevant to the actual point of the video but i do wanna point out something about that-alphys in undertale is very obviously meant to be a weeb character, but in deltarune she’s more of a western cartoon fan, since instead of primarily talking about mmkc she talks about The Symptons, which is clearly meant to be a riff on the simpsons as opposed to tokyo mew mew. and it can probably be inferred that DR alphys doesn’t like anime in general much, at least not the same kind that UT alphys does, due to the complete opposite review of mmkc 2 in the teen zone-in fact, that being the only mention of anything mmkc related in deltarune as far as i know. so that might be interesting to think about re parallels
also, something to add about the stuff about gaster in deltarune being planned since before undertale-the fun event and gaster stuff was largely a very late addition to the game, to the point where some of it was bugged on initial release, and i kinda wonder if it was added once toby fox was like “yes. i have proven to myself that i can make a game. now that i can show what i’m made of, i am going to leave hints for what i’m going to do for the next thing i do.” or something like that
Peak music choice. (:
what song?
@@5t4rrgirl All of them.
Great video, 2 points:
-This is legit the first time someone talks about the creepy smile that appears in the Queen's basement. I didn't even knew their sprite name was IMAGE_FRIEND
-While I do think it was Gaster speaking to us in the vessel creation sequence, I don't think it was hom who discarded the vessel. That other person doesn't speak in all caps and it's much more formal, without Gaster's iconic repetition of words and slow pacing. They sound similar to how Chara talks, but we don't know if it's them either.
I don t think gaster is villainous, at the character selection another type of wrighting is used to say "welp cannot use your vessel no more" he suddenly dissapear or maybe SOMEOME make him disapear, i think that what happend with jevil and spams, it said he SUDDENLY dissapear theire to maybe, he doesnt belong in this world and a higher entity try to prevent him interact with people and driving mad everyone who have knowledge him
maybe the core is a dark fountain
If Entry 17 was so good, why there was no Entry 17 2? Huh, Toby?!
That was the Alphys version
ever think about how the song megalovania is in all caps in the files
You know Undertale/deltarune fans are losing it when they start thinking that a game from years before the next game is talking about the next game before anything about the next game is though or said.