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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 มิ.ย. 2024
- First video of 2023 babbbyyyy!
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:51 Background on Poppup
02:45 Susie's Ads
04:16 Ralsei's Ads
11:34 Noelle's Ads
17:47 Kris' Ads
33:36 Outro - เกม
It's been brought to my attention that my Goofy-impression at the end came across as me mocking and insulting people who believe in that particular Chara theory. That was NOT my intent, but I do completely understand why it comes across that way. I intended it to just help you understand how simplistic of a theory I view it to be, and why that results in me not being particularly inclined to believe in it. But I inadvertently ended up disrespecting and insulting a section of this community, and for that I apologize. I sincerely did not intend to hurt anyone's feelings or come across as rude or inconsiderate. It was just a poorly thought-out gag. Once again, I sincerely apologize. Y'all have a fantastic January!
its perfectly fine. the chara theory seems too far fetched for my taste anyways.
Also, while i do like the idea of kris trying to bring their brother back to life, i personally disagree that the demon possesing them is asriel. instead it could be possible that this summoning gone wrong could have been what forged the connection between kris and the player (aka the red soul). we dont know exactly how long the soul has been controlling kris for, but it could explain how player is able to control kris's body, a power that is rather demonic and supernatural in nature.
you dont needa apologise
Yo what yuh apologizing for? You entitled to feel a certain way about whatever you want. It's human. We're not robots. Expressions are meant to be expressed.
@@slimgrim3607 yeah I don't object to the asriel theory, I think if he elaborated it would make more sense(like maybe kris got close to getting asriel back but instead it backfired and asriel went into kris or whatever I thought of 34 seconds ago). but I like my own slightly altered idea of yours where kris got possessed by us instead(which I want to elaborate on but I keep forgetting my theories aaaa)
I think moreso than anything, it's far more likely that WE, the PLAYER, and just HUMANS in general are what are being referred to as demons, since it's only ever human characters that even BEGIN to reference anything along those lines. it's also safe to assume this due to KRIS of all characters, literally an alternate timeline version of Chara, being the one and only character who's ACTUALLY POSESSED by none other than u s. This truly seems to imply that his summoning attempts were genuinely successful, seeing as we literally would not be playing the game otherwise...
I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'. . .
I'm pretty sure I remember Rudy saying at some point that Noelle was scared of Santa Claus, which paints the "hot female Santas in your area" thing in a whole different light. Seems like Noelle just keeps being attracted to the things she finds scary.
She into danger
she just like me fr
Masochist?
She watches KKHTA on a daily basis
Actually… yeah. She’s scared of Susie but also has a HUGE crush on her, and this kinda adds fuel to it. Masochistic maybe…?
Something you didn't mention: aside from buying HTDD, Noelle doesn't "accidentally" click on anything. She _fully intends_ to find hot female santas in her area.
xD
Well huh... now imagine the jojo part 3 opening but with noelle
Damn noelle got that really weird loves
To be honest, who doesn't?
@@SoreWaChigauZo me, i'm more intending to find hot male santas
I feel like Ralsei's thing isn't so much a hidden desire for destruction, but that his attempts to make friends will somehow spur a disaster beyond his control or reckoning.
THIS is what i was thinking about that line!!
That makes sense. He’s never had friends before, so I could see him being anxious about royally screwing it up.
It might also be worth mentioning that the only reason he made the friends he has now is because the world is under threat of being destroyed.
Ralsei: I wanna be a peace maker ^w^
“buying a revolver Peacemaker”
Ralsei: Wait no-!
I think that Lancer filled his search history with things about guns and violence and stuff, as a prank, and Ralsei kept seeing ads about that stuff and was like "why??? why am i getting that stuff???
I have a theory that its hinting in his backstory .. that him creating dark worlds to battle his loneliness brought upon the roaring!
I always figured Ralsei apologizing about deleting the internet was supposed to act as a mirror to how Asriel apologized about Kris tossing Yoshi down the pit. Both are very hyperbolic statements that show each character behaving in a panic after coming to an exaggerated conclusion due to misplaced guilt over not quite understanding what happened and fearing the worst.
Interesting analysis!
feeling guilty about killing Yoshi is not misplaced.
Deltarune fans discussing the deep implications of a single line like it's complete normal human behavior.
@@thegnarledpirate9198 That's the best part. I just interpreted it that way the very first time that I saw the dialogue. The fanbase really is just our own special kind of strange lol
@@thegnarledpirate9198 the curtains are blue lol
Y’know I thought Susie’s reaction to Asriel’s room was that she wanted to beat him up but thinking on it now…she is totally gonna roast Asriel. Just complete linguistic execution, no coming back from it, his lil sib’s bestie knows she’s his type and there is no escape from the utter hell of a razzing coming his way.
XD
LMAOO
Gross. He is a college student
@@liviwaslost they are only a year or so apart.
@@liviwaslost Kris and Susie are going to university next year so they're pretty old as well
i don’t think asriel isn’t returning the dragons book because of having a type.
i think what happened is as follows:
- asriel was always shown to be very imaginative and artsy, especially as seen on his computer where he seems to have doodles and concept art
- as a child, asriel took the book out from the library due to the title of it, being none the wiser.
- as he read it, or as time passed, he realized when the book was actually for, and became much too embarrassed to return it
probably
I've seen a couple interpretations postulating this reading of it, and I can absolutely agree that is a valid, less embarrassing alternative. xD
Asriel was making a game, he might have bought the book for inspiration, for me makes more sense if Kris hid it because he was the one interested.
@@xviithestar2356 makes sense, also its they just saying
@@JaruJaruJ I imagined he took it cause he was a goodie 2 shoes and didn't want others seeing stuff like that.
Semi-notably, Noelle's ads are the only ones that aren't described as "accidental" or "unconscious"
Indeed! How interesting. Perhaps hinting at her being too confused/oblivious to realize she was outing herself? xD
She's always unconscious.
Noelle actively uses the internet to try to find Dess. We know this because she responded to the spam emails that we now know as Spamton that had to do with a "free friend find her"
@JaruJaruJ since kris is the only one present maybe she just trusts Kris alot
The idea of Noelle being downright the thirstiest character in the game is just hilarious to me and this only reinforces this idea
Maybe Ralsei's pop-ups with the good things ending up with horrible things, like clicking an add about guns, makes him seem to try to do good things but they always end up causing bad things to happen instead
Interesting!
Thats what i though of as well, as his character so far has been the type to try and help.
Turning his suddenly evil would seem kinda wierd, but having him do something he thinks is good and than turn out to be bad would aline well with his character
@@niwimsz This already happens at the end of chapter 1. I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens again
@@JaruJaruJ Jaru didn't you forget about Ralsei saying "I repent!"? During one of his popup interactions? That kinda links him directly to Asriel.
@@niwimsz The ominous door really makes it seem like we're gonna have to seal the Grand Fountain at some point, or maybe at least on the Weird Route? It'd make sense for that to create conflict, though. Additionally, the prophecy dictates the world is only saved after the Roaring starts, which might mean he'd, ironically, be kinda up for it under the right circumstances? If for some reason it seems like it'll lead to whatever he thinks "banishing the Angel's Heaven" is, but I feel like at this point, Susie may well be the kinda gal to oppose to that idea, but I dunno, kinda feel like the Roaring's bound to happen so I'm not sure where that'd fit in the story. Why Toby and his acolytes have to put so many conflicting thoughts about funny game in my brain, man 😭
Im think that the common thread between all of ralseis ad interactions is that ralsei is trying to click on something that is innocent and then getting ''tricked'' into encountering something dubious. If anything i think this would be hinting to him having poor judgement and being innocent. Or his digital footprint is actually just mad sus
It did happen once, he trusted the king and healed him.
I think it may say what'll happen with Ralsei
Maybe he always have good intentions to do something, but they end up creating more chaos
Maybe he's the one to open most of the dark world, we know that when a fountain is opened, it creates a world, with people, and expecially, friends. Maybe that's why he insist on Kris and Susie to befriend everyone and get them to castle town
Maybe he wants to feel less lonely, have friends ect, and so tries to make friends, but ends up doing horrible things (aka possibly DOOM THE WORLD) just to achieve that goal
@@ikjjoli607 He has more knowledge about dark worlds than any other character we've interacted with so far, so I think at least a little suspicion is warranted just based on that.
12:53 maybe after searching December Holiday didn't give relevant results, she searched "December Holiday girl" to try and clarify, only resulting in further misunderstanding
That's a great interpretation!
I feel as though, the "peaceful intentions, violent outcome" theme with ralsei's ads is indicative of the player's (sometimes) desire for violence despite ralsei's pleas
Interesting! Hadn't heard that spin on it yet.
how so?
@@gonzalomeadearanda5751 the whole weird route, and other numerous ways we can displease ralsei by choosing something that he doesn't like? maybe, alternative dialogue for not sparing anyone in chapter one? or, perchance, attacking the ralsei dummy instead of listening to ralsei in the battle tutorial, and then tossing the manual?
@@gonzalomeadearanda5751 I feel like in later chapters Ralsei's kindness would either be exploited, or he'll slip up and accidentally cause more harm than good.
the "deleted the entire internet" thing could be a reference to how when the dark fountain was created, the internet was down. this could mean ralsei has knowledge of computers, but not much of the internet.
Hmm! Interesting!
That may mean Ralsei has no idea of what a meme is and that's really funny to me for some reason
@@Ashelybee "Kris, I swear, I don't smoke weed!"
god imagine trying to use the internet to search for your sister “December Holiday” you would never be able to find anything
Why does everyone want to be with Susie? Noelle, Berdly, and apprently Kris.
Good question. xD
She is the only Tank in the group so
'cause she's the coolest
Guess everyone think she is cool
@@craz2580 What does that have to do with anything?
If Kris actually _did_ succeed in summoning a demon, I think they summoned the Red SOUL.
I was gonna comment that
Hear me out, Kris is the Chara-style text that interrupts Gaster's opening sequence. Kris inadvertently interfered with something far more calculated, and now is caught in the crossfire. They have what they wanted... sort of, but now they're getting roped into whatever is happening behind the scenes as Gaster (presumably) is course-correcting in order to solve their error.
@@MrSignman65 I don't believe it, but that's a cool-as-hell theory and it would be sick if it were true.
Hmmm interesting
More specifically, the player (at least I hope so)
I don't know if someone else has already commented this but doesn't Bratty tell Kris that Asriel kissed her during a game of truth and dare? While she isn't purple last I checked she is definitely some sort of lizard. So Asriel is a scalie confirmed.
Great catch, lmao.
He also dated Catti, a purple cat from what I remember.
Asriel getting all the girls.
She _made_ him give her the kiss, though, didn't she?
@@slickwilli409
Well, true, but I just interpreted this as her choosing him for the kiss and not her literally forcing him to do it.
Toby Fox just confirming he’s a certified Tomboy enjoyer by making everybody love Susie cracks me up
Who is "he"?
@@aer0aToby
My answer to the Kris Occult/Demonic connection is way more mundane. I think it’s Tobys setup for Kris and Catti to have a friendship (something that seems to be implied already through Cattis dialogue) and a setup for Catti to join us in a dark world adventure. Basically this part of Kris character is in a similar vein to Kris and Berdlys Gamer rivalry connecting those 2 together. I can definitely see Catti and Jockington in a future dark world as a repeat of chapter 2s formula
I certainly think that's part of the reason for that dialogue's inclusion, to be sure!
I thought it was explaining how Kris accidentally summoned the SOUL
i hope i get to kill jockington too
@@BirdRaiserE same
catti and jockington also have face sprites during dialogue.
the only other characters with face sprites are returning undertale characters and the main characters.
This demon subject is so unexplored that the lack of lore towards It doesn't even make up for the lack of lore It has
LMAO
When I got to 27:22 I just.
@@mchsprod just?
@@grayanddevpdx Whenever I engage with Deltarune theories I always get feelings I am unable to describe so I just.
@@mchsprod so true
3:02
*Susie taps on a picture of a steak.*
"It definetely adds some depth and tragedy to her character"
Listen, it adds depth and tragedy IN THE CONTEXT of the rest of her story. xD
@@JaruJaruJ Hah I get what you mean, but still.
Also, about one of ralsei's ads, with the castle and the bazooka. If you look reeeeeally deep into it, you could make some argument about the futility of his actions, or something? About how Ralsei wants to have friends, and wants to build up the hometown, but it's futile. Wether it's an accident, or a product of his won actions (like clicking on the wrong ad), the heroes will always lose in the timeloop?
Just a quick thing to mention, if I'm right, the Demon A, B, C and D stuff was only added in a later update to Undertale, and replaced a message originally asking the reader to not post what they find in the code on the internet.
So with that in mind, it specifically brings to mind the idea that the "demon", or perhaps just Toby, have accepted that this will be a series where people do whatever it takes for lore and information, and has adjusted the presentation of such things accordingly.
Wasn't the request not to post stuff part of a sprite sheet? Also it specifically said to wait a year, due to spoilers. Then said that it'd be cool to post to Spriter's Resource.
@@AltName7 Nah, I looked it up, I meant the one about "don't post "unused stuff" online, it's probably in the game" which I presume meant stuff like the FUN value rooms and such. The last original message called people out on being "impatient for answers".
You’re talking about 123_abc (or whatever), right? The file that has text to speech telling you not to spoil the game?
@@empiar5481 Not even, but they have to have been made at similar times because of how close they are in purpose. Demon X, Y and Z where the lines originally detailing what I put, (I think) and all but X was replaced with A, B, C and D, while X was changed to what was featured in this video.
@@AltName7 there were 3 different files in the game that warned against spoiling, all of which were replaced when people ignored them. one was an image file, one was a sound file, and one was a text file. the text file was replaced by the demon text
When Ralsei thinks he accidentally deleted the internet, he says "I... I didn't mean to do it... I... I'm sorry!!! I repent!!!"
I find this interesting because:
(1) Alvin mentions that sin and confession aren't part of the monster religion and he seems to be the only one who still acknowledges the idea, and
(2) When Spamton is asked about the Knight one of the things he interjects with after mentioning communion is to say "No, I'm sorry! I'm sorry! I didn't mean to --", which sounds kinda similar to what Ralsei said.
Hmm. Interesting.
This is out of nowhere, but maybe they have dueterocanon or heretical works where repentance is a thing?
This makes me think that maybe at some point Ralsei (while still learning about Save Files) could’ve accidentally deleted the one he was in (assuming something else would happen) and has since been trying to get things back to the way they were in this save file. Which could explain how he knew our names when he first met us.
Not surprising for Ralsei to reflect Asriel like this; Asriel's the one Father Alvin is talking about when saying there is no sin in monster religion. And I believe that doctrine will become a big deal in the story, too. It fits very well with the story to add an element of "you can't repent, there is no forgiveness", everyone from Susie to Noelle to Asgore to Kris may have reasons to feel that way.
Well, Ralsei is just a representation of what Kris wants, so maybe having someone else who believes in sins and forgiving them is what he wants?
"Noelle clicked on a link for creepy game glitch compilations!"
"At the time of Chapter 2, this line didn't make much sense to us, as we didn't have the context to understand such things."
...I thought we did already? Noelle likes scary things, like horror movies. She talks about it with Susie, who she also thinks of as a fun kind of scary.
It's not out of the question that she would already have that kinda interest.
The Sweepstakes just reinforced that.
...Side note, I never thought a popup ad would confirm the existence of other humans in Deltarune.
Especially not a "hot woman 4 U" bait one.
Fair enough!
“Popup confirmed other humans in Deltarune” ...I thought we knew already? There’s a book in the library with pictures of other humans.
Gotcha.
@@personexisting123 And there's a human profile picture in one of Queen's attacks.
...There is, @@Soonray09?
I'm referring to the fact that other humans aren't dead and/or banished to some Underground analog, @@personexisting123. It proved that.
That book could've contained pictures of _ancient_ humans for all we know. Either the human-monster war never happened, or it turned out differently.
The poppups confirmed that other humans _are around_ in Deltarune, to whatever extent.
There's a key thing you missed about the first Noelle add about hot female Santa's.
In one of Rudy's dialogues, he mentions how Noelle is afraid of Santa Claus, and also this is the only ad interaction in the game where it doesn't say that this was an accident.
So why would she purposely click on something she's afraid of? Well, they're *female* Santas, which means she's interested in females she's afraid of, and you know how scary Susie is, yet she still has a crush on her. This really makes you think if this is a mish mash of two things she's interested like you think, because it was efficient at getting her to click on it.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is proof that Noelle's a masochist.
Get this to the top of the comments section
lesbian masochist representation let's gooooooo
Ice Farnese
No wonder There’s no refusal to equip the Thorn Ring
I think the idea of Kris successfully summoning a demon, and that demon being us, the player/red soul, is much more interesting than it just being Chara
Agreed
What if Kris summoned Chara, who then interrupts Gaster's experiment with the Player soul and the Vessel. Then they discard the Vessel and force the soul into Kris.
And what if Chara takes the Vessel for themself?
I saw a really cool fancomic of Kris and Catti summoning Gaster, who gave Kris the red SOUL. Not sure if I believe this entirely, but it was a really cool comic!
@@kristinevanyperen5445 It seems unlikely that Gaster put the soul in Kris on purpose. The "will now be discarded" is in font and lack of capitalization that is uncharacteristic of Gaster.
@@jediarcherbc709 I know, that's why I said I didn't think that was what happened. Cool fancomic though, a solid fancomic.
Your analysis of Noelle's and Asriel's searches just proves that Deltarune is a Susie harem game. Angels, vessels, Roaring? Bah!
PURPLE DRAGON LADIES, YEAH!!
Don't forget Kris!
@Spamton G Spamton™ I'm pretty sure [[Hochi Mama]] is just how Spamton's censorship makes him say Noelle's name. We know that from lines all across Snowgrave and in the Sweepstakes when he answers the question about Noelle not being his mother.
i love how susie is completely oblivious to all of it lmao
And maybe even Ralsei (to an extent)
Oh yeah another funny thing about the Female Santa ad is I think Rudy says Noelle is scared of Santa. Tying in to her being interested/attracted to scary things.
Indeed!
23:49 I don’t think this is sinister at all. I just think this guy is one of Kris’s favorite TH-camrs
lol right? kris is just a teen with weird hobbies. i watch that guy too he's funny
Ah Hell nah, Kris likes Mainstream TH-cam??😬
@@aturchomicz821 the knife man didnt use to be mainstream. ive been watching him for years
Yeah, also he could just have an interest in knives without wanting to use them for anything, like some people might have an interest in diseases but that doesn't mean they're gonna make biological weapons.
The funny thing is that it says you not kris
To add to Asriel's reptilian interests, he seems to have an interest in Yoshi. Toriel says in chapter 1 that he liked the "green, egg laying lizard" from "Super Smashing Fighters". He may even have had a Yoshi-centred birthday... and of course, Father Alvin mentioned Asriel confessing to the "sin" of dropping Yoshi into a pit inside the game. Bratty, a green crocodile, also claims to have kissed Asriel in a game of truth-or-dare once. So, coupled with the suggestive image of a dragon on Asriel's library book, there are definitely a lot of lizards in Asriel's past...
Asriel is based.
Just so happen to be animating a dolphin character while I listen to this in the background, so thanks for putting me in an aquatic mood Jaru
Eyy, my pleasure! xD
MOOD
the winterer real
The Winterer when an unsummerer walks in:
@@pucciraskolnikov7266 The maybeautumner
I'm sure others have mentioned this, but the lines from demon a-d are lines that have replaced Toby's initial warning to players about posting spoilers/secrets about Undertale. So those lines are technically directed towards us, the player, which is interesting as it makes you wonder what Toby might've been planning on the very rare case that the secrets in Undertale stayed secret and there was no need to use those texts.
Wait, if the Demon lines replace Toby's lines... then could the Demon be Toby? Not just Toby as well, but us, the observers/players who are looking at these characters and watch as well as manipulate them without them knowing? And if that IS the case, then could the demon summoning be the act of giving your soul to the player and be essentially possessed?
This would mean that Chara was also a "player", perhaps Toby himself in some weird, meta way. I mean, he MADE Undertale, he has probably erased many things, created stuff, changed them over and over again, no different than an Undertale player killing an enemy one run and sparing them the other, doing everything to see every option.
out of all the characters, chara is the one most likely meant to represent us the player, which is why theyre the one we name at the beginning. toby fox has a deleted tweet he made where he hinted that the fallen child should be named after ourselves, and most people are likely to do that anyway.
people got spoiled on chara being the true name so when people did a genocide run, thats the name they used. so most people kind of missed the implication that chara is supposed to be representive of us. the line "that feeling? thats me, [your name here]" hits a lot harder when you dont use the true name. plus flowey using the player name when he asks us not to reset loses its meta element if you didnt name the character after yourself
anyway my point here is that when chara calls themself a demon its kind of a double edged sword since we, as chara's reflection, are implied to also be a demon by association. which is fair since they say this post genocide after we kill everyone. chara explicitly tells us theyre the feeling the player gets when our stats rise. in a way, chara is who a player becomes when theyre playing a video game. when they say "move on to the next world" they mean move on to the next game. as long as the player continues to play games "chara" will still be with them
Everyone knows the Genocide route dialouge as (paraphrased) "Greetings, my name is Chara... I am the demon that comes when people call its name." But Chara's name is supposed to be the one we self-identify with. Chara is both a seperate entity, and a further manifestation of the player.
Wait, if WE are the demon, and we are possessing Kris, then maybe that explains why they are so interested in Church? Especially confessing "sins", if they aren't completely in control of their actions.
@@Grxblrg5757 kris isnt interested in church they just like the fruit juice lol
@@ab-qf1iv Chara being both an in-game character and some sort of meta demon thing was prolly Undertale's weakest thing to me.
Since we don't know what a demon is in the Deltarune universe could it be assumed that the player is maybe the demon or that someone like Gaster made a deal with Kris during the demon summoning and had the player take over the body of Kris? Maybe Gaster convinced Kris that accepting a "Demon" into his soul would allow him to eventually solve Kris's problem.
I was thinking of this too.
Wasn't there a comic with Kris making a deal with gaster which lead to us possessing them? Sounds perfect for this
@@Breached18 yup, It was with Catti tho...i think Catti would Say if they tried once
Debatable, i mean, we haver nothing to say that you're right and we nothing to say you're wrong. We don't even know what role we're playing, so...
Could be, could be!
Ok, a few things about ralseis ads that could be foreshadowed here. Because whilst both of them are very different, they both have the same recurring theme.
Ralsei wants friends, ends up doing something bad.
First, the gun one, I believe this could be a foreshadowing of his entire arc in the game, possibly.
We all know ralsei constantly encourages us not to fight, and to make as many friends as possible. So, what if, once a ton of darkness are gathered in castle town after out adventures, and something bad happens to them as a result.
And the "deleting the internet" thing strikes me as extremely interesting, as ralsei, whatever it may be, has some sort of connection to asriel.
So perhaps this could be a reference to asriel erasing a timeline? Or maybe something he might inadvertently cause later on that had good intentions?
I know I perhaps have my tinfoil on a little to tight. But personally, this little bit of information pushed me away from the ralsei is bad gang, I totally believe he's scheming something, but thinks it will ultimately be a good thing, but gets people hurt.
Very interesting! I like this train of thought!
yeah thats how ive been viewing ralsei too. whatever ralsei is up to he definitely believes is for best for everyone, but the result will likely hurt someone. my theory is that ralsei is hiding the fact that he's aware of the player controlling kris because the soul that we control is necessary for closing the fountains and fulfilling the prophecy, which is essentially ralsei's reason for existing. he's ignoring the pain that kris is enduring because accomplishing his goal will ultimately save the world. i think ralsei's conversation with kris during the boat ride hints that he might be having second thoughts about this though. especially if you respond with "..." when prompted. he seems really relieved when kris responds with a "kris-like" answer
@@gristen It sounded more like to me that Ralsei was scrambling to get back on track as if nothing was wrong, like he can't acknowledge Kris ever acting strange so he goes really over the top on _just how very normal_ that was, like, he looked rather panicked in that exchange. Then again, Kris _does_ generally quiet even without any possessing business out of the equation, so maybe it was genuine, but it's still so odd how he talks about it.
@@petruciosxd1374 yea i can see where youre coming from, but considering how he was seriously reflecting on what being friends with someone actually means a few sentences before im more inclined to believe he was being genuine here. like i said ralsei probably thinks whatever hes doing is for the good of everyone and actually really cares about them, but he's never had a friend before and is only just realizing that he doesnt really know how to be one. as the game goes on he'll probably have to learn that the ends DONT justify the means and that no matter how noble your intentions, nothing is worth hurting someone you care about
Toby Fox has a talent for packing huge amounts of lore in small places
IMO i dont think kris has romantic feelings for susie rather she's the only one they actually trust and dont have bad memories with, and even if they did see the others positively susie is still their best friend of the group. Noelle is an old childhood friend who we can assume has some bad memories attached to her presence (the shelter/mysterious doors, December's disappearance, memories of asriel which could be difficult depending on what is actually happening with them, potentially knowing about noelle's powers or having trauma related to snowgrave) and they've drifted apart and aren't as close even if kris still cares for her as a person, and ralsei clearly knows more than they let on and has at least 2 conversations with kris that the player isnt allowed to see which could have impacted their relationship, and their resemblance to asriel could again cause weird feelings. susie doesnt have any trauma or anything attached to them for kris and is just genuinely their best and closest friend. this explains why they enjoy their tea the most and are less uncomfortable saying they would go with them to the festival. tbh i also would just kind of hate it from a story perspective lol it would kind of ruin their vibe and true genuine friendship and could make things awkward and less like..wholesome i guess? and i much prefer noelle x susie lol. plus kris is the only human in town, clearly doesnt have an affinity for humans, and probably just wants love and romance like anyone else and could potentially be insecure about their ability to get it possibly because its stigmatized or less common to be in a monster x human relationship, meaning they have to specifically seek it out rather than go about normal dating routes (like dating apps/sites specifically for people of a certain religion or age group), or they feel like they dont fit in or belong in the town as much or fit like monster beauty standards lmfao and are looking up reassurance that it is possible for them to find love, which especially makes sense for their age when its common to be insecure about that stuff.
Fun fact about FinFin, the character that Poppup was based on. FinFin was a character created by Osamu Tezuka's son, Macoto Tezuka.
If you don't know who Osamu Tezuka is, it's difficult to summarize his immense cultural impact in Japan but I will try.
Osamu Tezuka is the man responsible for popularizing big expressive eyes in anime and is behind one the the first anime to air weekly and to be dubbed in English, Astro Boy. His works also helped eliminate the stigma that manga and anime were only for children, since adults liked reading his manga too.
So ... weird 3D pet simulator game made by the son of one of the most important people to Japanese culture. Cool.
This is a random thing but it kind of annoys me when people say that Noelle didn’t care about Kris and was only concerned with simping for Susie. She said earlier in the blog post that she felt “genuinely sick” seeing what was happening to Kris, wanting to help them but just being too scared. Even at the end with the line about the apple shampoo, she still was actually trying to help Kris even if there’s some simping mixed in. Still, she definitely does have some kind of rose-tinted glasses she’s seeing Susie that she’ll probably have to take off in a future chapter. Great analysis btw.
Take of the Dealmaker Noelle, Ralsei needs that!
Have you thought about the fact that the demon Kris summoned is The Player? Lets think about it this way, Chara is saying "You, the Player, the demon that comes when people call its name." All of Chara's lines are about what action The Player chose to take. The Demonx file is all about what name you call yourself when you play.
Also, what better way to describe the introduction of Deltarune, than you being summoned to play it? We don't have a vessel of our own, so we possess Kris. Kris IS being possessed, but that stops happening when they take us out.
What if it's both? The Player's soul was being used in Gaster's experiment with the Vessel as we see on the Twitter and in the game's intro. But then another voice that seems to be Chara comes in, discards the vessel and forces the Player soul into Kris. So what if Kris summoned Chara, who then interrupted Gaster's experiment and put our soul in Kris?
Still on the boat that Kris is only possessed by the player, and all of Kris' meddlings is either a cause or an effect of the player's control of Kris. There's a lot of emphasis on the fact that Kris led an entire life before we showed up, and the player is interfering with this life. There's also a lot of dichotomy between heaven and hell, which correlates a lot to the concepts of reality and fiction. Or more specifically our reality as the player, and the obscurities fiction and non existence of which the likes of Gaster and Dess reside.
definitely agree with this. especially about the link between heaven and reality. the end goal of the game is to "banish the angel's heaven" and theres been some heavy association between noelle and angels. thanks to snowgrave, id say its pretty likely that we are the "heaven" since we're able to command the "angel". the game will probably end when kris can figure out how to get us out of their body
Also if Kris was looking up possession, the search history (and thus the ads) may of chalked it up to demons!
@@ivyproductions7097 true lol
The player isn't a thing in the canon, while we are controlling Kris it's another entity in-universe that's possessing them.
@@Quinhala11 I kind of agree. I think the player just influences a third party who controls Kris, similar to the player influencing Chara & Frisk while neither Frisk nor Chara was actually the player.
Otherwise, it makes no sense that the voice influencing Kris displays such specific motives & behavior that are so unlikely to line up with the player's motives & behavior or that the voice does things without being told to by the player, like calling for Noelle's help during the Snowgrave Spamton Neo fight.
Every time it's mentioned that Kris "stares at Susie and makes her flustered" I just imagine them doing the fucking... Zoolander lightskin stare, and I've been continuously laughing about it for five minutes.
What if… What if Kris witnessed December dying, and couldn’t bring themselves to tell Noelle about it, and instead tried to resurrect her with rituals? But then they accidentally let her get possessed by a demon, and now that demon is running around as the knight, using her body, trying to cause the roaring? And now Kris definitely couldn’t tell Noelle about this, and she still only thinks that her sister is “missing.”?
I don't think Dess died, but I do think she got stuck in some sort of between space as represented by the lines in the unused code and in Spamton's Fear dialogue. I do think that she's also the Knight too, and that the space between also contains Gaster, Chara and the Goner Vessel.
I personally disagree with the space between conataing Chara, the Goner Vessel, and Gaster, or at least the Deltarune version of Gaster. The undertale Gaster? Yeah, probably in the space between. The Deltarune Gaster is almost certainly in the bunker, imo, and I believe Kris and Dess went to explore the bunker, only for both Kris and Dess to get Gaster'd, with only Kris escaping. I also feel the three most likely Knight candidates are Kris, Dess, and the big G himself.
In fact, I believe there are two knights: a white knight and a black knight. I believe Kris is the white knight, opening dark fountains in an attempt to save Dess, whereas the black knight, or the Roaring Knight, is evil and trying to cause the roaring
I honestly like to think that Ralsei's "gun AD" is a way of representing his desire to make friends with everyone around him, being too naive to know that there are people who are pure evil and don't want to be friends with him.
something similar to the battle with the King of Spades, in which Ralsei proposes to be his friend but the King doesn't care about his friendship and only wants to follow the Knight's plans, almost killing him and the others in the process.
OK I WAS ROLLING MY EYES AT FIRST BUT THE ASRIEL CONNECTION IN NOELLE'S SECTION GOES EVEN DEEPER.
BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT SPECIFICALLY BRATTY WAS HIS FIRST KISS.
AND HE WAS LOOKING FOR CHICKS TO PICK UP WITH PIZZAPANTS.
IMAGINE THIS IS THE REASON HE'S IN COLLEGE OR SOMETHING ALL OF THIS IS JUST BECAUSE DUDE WANTED TO GET BITCHES I-
HIS MAIN IN SMASH WAS YOSHI
@@GamingPlush64 crying at this follow up
"Deleting the internet" what if Ralsei is just an amalgam of Kris memory for Toriel and Asriel?Also the violent pop outs could mean Asriel was a troublemaker like Kris when he was younger and accidentally got in to some sketchy sites
Remember that these characters are not actually directly responsible for the ads they are shown, but their search histories might lead us in that direction. (sorry for long comment lol)
Susie: Her ads can seem more straightforward. Obviously she's wanting to eat food, and wield a chainsaw, so she'd be shown those ads. The word processor thing is just her inability to use technology.
Ralsei: The 'lightners 4 darkners' line, in my opinion, is just indicative of the fact that the Internet tends to ruin everything. Ralsei probably searched for something like "how to make friends with lightners" and this was shown to him. I'm doubtful that he actually feels that way about Kris and Susie. The chainsaw thing is interesting, though. It might show that he did search for something violent in the past (the innocent answer is research). Same with the demolition; it could be just research, or it could have a darker meaning.
Noelle: Is a lesbian who likes Christmas. That's the meaning of the first one. The second one is a result of her interest in Dragon Blazers and theories/glitches. The third is probably her interest in Susie again.
Kris: We really haven't seen any other humans in Hometown or anywhere else, meaning that Kris is surrounded by monsters, and would likely be attracted to them. Or we can go with the innocent reason of the Internet twisting a 'how to make friends with monsters' search. Susie is the monster Kris has been spending the most time with, so it might make sense for them to have a slight (albeit hidden) crush on her. Second ad: We know Kris has a knife. And it seems like they are interested in dark tones, if the Snowgrave route is anything to go off of. Toriel is pretty protective of Kris and probably didn't let them have a knife for a while, so Kris turned to...other options. The third one goes even deeper into Kris' darker interests, and we know they own a pair of devil horns. It's possible Kris was looking up horn options to look like his family and the Internet twisted it, but looking like his family could just be Kris' justification to his mother for wanting those horns.
“This weird thing we see at the end of the Genocide Route” most accurate description of Chara, honestly…
Yeah, everything else is either rose-tinted or cherry-picking.
@@kristinevanyperen5445 well, I was more so going off of the fact that that’s the only thing we actually know for certain about Chara, but sure your interpretation works too
@@nocaps2763 I mean we also know that they were Asriel's sibling, but I get your point.
@@kristinevanyperen5445 but were they the older or younger sibling? Did they actually love Asriel, or did they just manipulate him for their schemes? Why did they even fall down Mt. Ebott to begin with?
Mate, we don’t even know Chara’s preferred pronouns
The asriel dragon theory is, certainly something
And i cannot say you're wrong
I never would have considered it if I hadn't seen it brought up elsewhere. xD
if ralsei clicking on gun means anything lore wise it means he tries to make friends but ends up hurtful things instead
Hey Jaru, I just wanted to thank you for this. Yesterday was probably one of the worst days of my life, and I'm really not doing great today, but this helped take my mind off of things for a bit. It even got me to smile a bit. Thanks.
No problem Oliver! I'm glad I could provide some relief. I hope things start going better for you.
Things will get better, I promise! Just smile and be thankful for what you have, embracing every moment with everyone! Everything will be okay :)
Hey, I don't know if you will see this but I really wanted to say I wish you all the best. On the hardest days, please try to give yourself more patience and just allow yourself to get through however you can. I know it's not easy, and I know that these times can feel overwhelmingly hopeless, but there are always tiny good things that make life a little easier to exist in. You are absolutely not alone, however isolated or afraid you may ever feel at a given time. Your existence is meaningful, as all life is, and time brings changes we cannot even imagine. I. hope more kind, supportive, gentle people and moments find their way to you. Good luck out there!
If Kris DID summon a demon...
It's ralsei.
They failed to create a harem and now kris is just the side character in Susie's harem anime, with her being the protag.
xD poor kris!
The second Ralsei ad is definitely something a younger Asriel would do.
I imagine this happened in Undertale and Chara, being the chaotic older sibling they are, kept up the ruse by purposefully shutting off the wifi whenever Asriel tried to use the home computer.
Asriel's purple dragon dubious search history is now canon to me.
I apologize for spreading the corruption. xD
Asriel has a book for drawing dragons he won't give back...
*Dragons.*
Beings with wings, long tails, and sometimes horns.
*GOD OF HYPERDEATH.*
The Ralsei ads could also be foreshadowing him accidentally doing something terrible while trying to help in the future.
Or Asriel didn't want to return the book out of emberassment after getting older, or he didn't want to return it because he thought it was too naughty for the library. And his room could have easily just been full of nerdy stuff. Additionally if there's a popup for lightners for darkners when there's no lightners in the dark world for who knows how long, I really doubt 'humans 4 monsters' necessarily implies it wasn't made up on the spot for Kris. I doubt hot female santa advertisements are too common after all. . .
We’re missing the bigger picture here: *they have targeted advertisements in deltarune.*
Wait until chapter 3 of Deltarune and we see Ralsei has a gun collection in his room.
Susie: Huh didn't expect you of all people to collect guns
Ralsei: Well why not?
Susie: Because you have only used a scarf in combat this whole time.
Ralsei: Well naturally, I don't want to hurt anyone too badly.
Susie:So, wait why do you even have this many guns.
Ralsei: Because they're cool
Susie: Huh, can't argue with that
jaru, it is 11:33 in the night rn. i have a sleeping problem so here i am scrolling on yt, and then i get this video explaining how crucial poppups are to the lore of deltarune.
see you in the morning!
Goodnight!!
It's amazing how sexualy charged Deltarune is when you look hard enough.
Listen, I didn't read it this way, but it was pointed out to me and I couldn't unsee it. xD
Ah, teenage hormones
puberty,amirite?
It isn't hard to see at all tbh lol
That part with Ralsei being sad about "deleting the entire internet" does seem a bit out of character....
HOWEVER, it very strongly reminds me of Asriel's "confessions" with father Alvin. This could be another hint at a link between the two and the nature of dark worlds.
Indeed, indeed.
I honestly this the reason kris prefers being around Susie is because out of all the characters in the game she’s the only one who has the most freedom out of any of them. Their are tons of moments in chapter 1 and 2 that show her making her own choices going against any others. In chapter 1 she denies giving kris a choice say “your choices don’t matter”, she immediately leaves the group when she asked about the exit, joins lancer when things aren’t going her way and even does everything herself when she leaves her jail. In chapter 2, when fighting Sweet Cap’n Cakes she learns her own act and even forces Ralsei to learn it, denies kris a choice again when going into the cyber world and choosing between her and Ralsei, and none of our choices doing anything in the scene with her and Noelle. When compared to Kris and other members, they always seem to listen to whatever we do no matter what. Kris has almost not free will when we control him, Rasiel always listen to what we do and even encourages us to use Act with them and Susie, and Noelle completely listen to us during the normal and snowgrave routes. I feel like Susie is gonna be a key character in Kris’s story since so much of it revolves around freedom, and Susie has the most out of any character.
(Laughs in Jevil)
Maybe the "destroying buildings with bazookas" ties to the fact that, despite being a good guy, Ralsei helping Kris seal the Dark Fountain ends up making the other Dark Worlds disappear. Like when Lancer says the Card Castle is "Allllll gone !"
"Demons have less lore in these games than Gaster"
unless you're like me and think Gaster is somehow symbolically the Devil, therefore a demon
Gaster is Giygas.
gaster is just some guy that got warped out of the space time continuum because he science'd too hard. hes just a freaky lil science dude that haunts us from inside the game's code because he has nothing better to do ever since he stopped existing
@@gristen Well, yeah, but what if all of this demon talk & darkness & the Angel all have to do with earthbound somehow…I mean, Toby got his grubby little paws on Nintendo…he could ask them for permission for this plot point & also a tie in to the original dragon from Pokémon b/w & b2/w2.
Or at least have characters that resemble them in some way that Gaster is tied to/is one of.
Who knows really.
@@Barakon bro Toby wouldn’t reuse plot lines, that would be boring.
On the points with kris and noelle wanting susie, these two characters seem to have alot in common.
Kris and noelle are outcasts, they have little to no friends, and both are likely not afraid of certain scary stuff (i.e. kris laughs at susie when susie threatened them, and noelle just wants to be closer to susie)
I think interesting thing to draw about demons is they can be interpreted as an antithesis of angel. This could go into a number of places, so I won't linger on this connection, however I've got a question: where in the code do you find these lines? Cause placement can be very implicative of something. For example if it's near the end of genocide checks, the lines can be interpreted pretty much only one way.
Interesting. The Demon text is in its own section that, early in UNDERTALE's life, was used to warn code-miners not to spoil the game. However, later on, the content of this section was replaced with the demon text. Or at least, I THINK that's how it played out. Don't quote me on that. xD
@@JaruJaruJ youre correct. the demon text is one of the first lines of dialog you see in the text files because the spoiler warning that was originally there was meant to be read by data miners first. it was replaced with the demon text after people obviously ignored the warning to not spoil people. toby using chara's voice here seems to be him likening the act of spoiling, to what we did in genocide-an act that requires chara to berate us for our actions. you can read the original spoiler warning in the unused text section on thecuttingroomfloor
Wake up babe, new JaruJaru upload
Edit: there probably is more to it, but I think the demon summoning ad is a reference to the Megami Tensei series, which heavily inspired Toby Fox and in particular the Talk/Act function. The game series began as an adaptation of the Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei novels by Aya Nishitani and one of the things the series has maintained is the Demon Summoning Program. Although I find your theory fascinating, I just wanted to throw something in as a Megatennist.
I do think its strange that Kris' "Monsters 4 Humans" "in ur area" ad is separated by 2 different quotes. It makes me feel that it might be a case of the algorithm pulling from 2 separate interests.
In terms of Kris trying to accomplish something involving demons... we already have a character and don't need to literally kill Asriel.
Dess. She is an abnormality, she vanished, Asgore takes blame but her father knows he isn't at fault. The implication seems to be Dess was lost in the Dark World, completely vanished without a trace after being with Asgore. After all we know Toriel only acts like she does when she considers someone a murderer.
thank you. it drives me crazy how theorists go out of their way to not include dess. shes one of the biggest mysteries in the game right now and everyone just keeps talking about gaster and chara and other random nonsense.
i think kris was the one most likely to be with dess at the time of her disappearance tho. asgore used to be the police chief but he probably got fired when he failed to find the mayor's missing daughter, which ultimately led to their divorce
I agree with this up until your conclusion about Toriel. The entire reason Toriel left Asgore in UNDERTALE was because he DIDN'T want to kill - take the fallen human's soul to cross the barrier like Asriel did and gather enough human souls outside to break it - instead opting to wait a very, very long time to gather the required souls from humans who eventually got into the underground on accident. Toriel was disgusted with Asgore's indecisiveness in light of Asriel's death and how he prolonged his people's suffering. Her many years of solitude in the Ruins warped her view on him even further while her own attitude mellowed down. Now, we don't know why the two split in deltarune so far... but I can imagine poor handling of Dess's disappearance might be what made Toriel equally disgusted with him.
@@Wondercrow no no toriel was disgusted at him for killing. she only pointed that out because he was a hypocrite on top of being a murderer, which made him twice as pathetic in her eyes. she wouldve rathered him kill no one, otherwise she wouldve been the one killing them when they fell into the ruins
That's certainly a valid way to interpret this information!
Considering how many connections Burger Pants has to hell, it seems to me that Kris summoned Ice-E through a demonic ritual, which perhaps was what dragged Dess into the dark world. Asgore took all the blame to protect Kris.
I am a big subscriber to HBC's Ice-E theory.....
4:49 _madness alert but hear me out:_
What if Ralsei really wants to have friends but he feels like his usual self can't do that so the cute bunny is the facade he relies on and the machine gun is the real personality?
Susie speaks about how they're targeting their weaknesses and Ralsei's biggest flaw is that he doesn't even know how does one act "ralsei like".
Hell, what if his name _isn't Ralsei_ and he just researched about Asriel and acts like him to please Kris? *WHAT IF HIS NAME IS DANIEL????*
My main theory is that Ralsei will get more savage each chapter. Chapter one he was fluffy perfect boy, chapter two he's conflicted about who he is, so it's a fine line of progression.
DANIEL. xD
That Sounds like a Noyno from RIBBIT
Ralsei's poppus are extremely interesting and I very much believe it could be foreshadowing. Even if it's very figurative.
Seems like all of them revolve around Ralsei trying to make friends, only to end up causing problems or accidentally seeing stuff he didn't want.
That could be foreshadowing Ralsei potentially making some wrong choices in an attempt to keep in touch with Kris and Susie.
I'm gonna take a WILD guess and say that mybe that desperate need to make friends turns out to be what eventually causes the Roaring, indirectly through some weird turn of events.
Interesting reading! I could absolutely see something like that unfolding.
As a budding theorist, I think that there is indeed some lore about these popups, at least for Kris. I don't think Asriel is dead though. The game says very clearly that he went to college, and also lacks a gravestone, just like December.
As a person who likes memes, I cannot stop thinking about Ralsei's gun ads. It's so funny.
the demon file saying all the weird stuff about "i am your humble servant" used to be a warning for anyone datamining, and it got changed in an update.
it was also worded as if it was written by chara undertale
remembered this as well, i think this is important to note
26:19
What if the demon they summed was _the player?_ Or maybe Gaster who allows the player to possess Kris?
Yeah… the player makes sense.
Here's another way to think of it. Kris summons Chara, Chara interrupts Gaster's experiment with the Vessel and the Player soul. Then the soul is forced into Kris instead.
Seriously, binge all the Deltarune theories and take a shot every time Jaru says Dubious. You will not survive. It is impossible.
Interestingly if Ralsei IS literally derived from Asriel and inherited his memories and interests, and Asriel is into purple dragon girls, then the how to draw dragons book and Ralsei's shady dating ad moment are pretty seriously implying he is into Susie.
Ralsei, as a Darkner, is derived from a object (most likely Kris's old horns head band). But maybe he's much more stable of a being and not tied to a single Dark World because of Kris's memories of Asriel.
@@jediarcherbc709 Oh, sounds like Ralsei is made from _Kris's personality_ and personifies their struggle to fit in/presenting as a monster? Maybe those desires can be imputed upon objects and then personified via Darkness. Oh man, if this goes in a player == villain direction, we're going to have an opportunity to betray Ralsei where we find out Kris has been concealing it on their person, _hiding it from the inventory screen and revealing the UI as a fallible manifestation of the player's perception_
If you listen this in 1.5 his voice is super energetic xD
Edit: Awesome video
Yap I always turn it to 1.25x
@@Chara-yp6zj that makes it sound at normal speed lol
Weaklings.... I watch at 2x speed!
10:53 i'll read into it way too much again:
Maybe Ralsei took a long time to get his town and now that people actually live near his castle he's afraid just one mistake will take all of it away.
So with Kris being into Susie, that brings the number of characters to crush on her up to 3 (Noelle, Berdly and now Kris), which is officially enough to make it a harem lol
Hey, that ad for Ralsei, the one where he means to click on the castle but instead on the demolishing company. This could be a reference to Ralsei wanting to build up the castle town, but his actions are destroying places in the dark world, and possibly more.
5:44 To me these lines feel like either foreshadowing and a statement about how Ralsei interacts with his friends. He meant to click on an ad about making friends but accidently clicked on a gun. This sounds like Ralsei has the goal of forming friendships but ends up hurting his friends instead. This could be something Ralsei does in an upcoming chapter to hurt kris and or susie. He had already shown that he can be rather unkind in his attempt to quickly get past something that makes him uncomfortable (at least thats how i interpret it) like when he is dismissive towards susie and kris after the spamton neo fight and how he quickly moves on from Queen running out of batteries saying thats its time to seal the fountain with a smile when the others are still shaken.
8:24 At the end of chapter 2, everyone is complaining the internet is down. His popup about deleting the browser shortcut could have done that, but you can avoid having that line of dialogue, and it's just a ludicrous idea in general, to suggest he can do that
The internet is also down long before you get to that point in the game, by at least a day
I like how Susie is the only one without some sort of dating/love ad.
(Which I very gladly use for my headcanon that she's part of the ace spectrum... 0 _0...)
ralsei has an extensive collection of firearms used exclusively for plinking in the disturbingly large target range behind the castle. he can tell you about the history and construction of every gun in significant detail if you ask
I don’t think Kris has romantic feelings for Susie, rather very close plutonic ones. Kris has always been an outcast, and their peers at school think they’re weird, too. But because Susie is genuinely their friend, it’d make sense for Kris to value Susie a lot
False.
Berdly treats them like s bro.
The whole concept of demons and other similar figures in Undertale and Deltarune is very interesting to me. Obviously the angel is a very important part of Toby's story, Gaster has that whole 666 motif, dog (as in the annoying dog, the representation of Toby) is an anagram for God, heaven is talked about in the prophecy and by Spamton, hell is brought up a couple times by different characters (namely Sans, Spamton, and the memory heads), and you talked about demons.
I've had a couple ideas of what demon could mean. If we take hell to mean the dark world (a pretty reasonable guess) demon could be a similar term for darkner, which would line up with Chara being, like darkners, a being brought to life through determination. If we take angel to mean player (because that's just simply confirmed by Asgore in a specific set of neutral runs) then demon could just mean in game character. Another possibility is maybe demon means player character, being the inverse of the angel in a way. Finally since Gaster is the devil, maybe demon could mean Gaster follower or goner.
It’s possible that Ralsei had access to some old technology left in the closet, which allowed him to understand things like corruption and sleep mode, but those devices had no access to the internet, meaning he had no idea how it worked.
Interesting!
Another easy explanation is that the demon... is us, the player.
And another possibility is that Kris isn't trying to resurrect Asriel, but December Holiday. After all, we don't have any proof which of the two actually still exist in a living state in the game, be it in the code itself, or in the world of the game. Yes, there is motivation for him to try to bring back Asriel, but it would be hard to imagine that he is the only one that he'd want to bring back.
For all we know, he's most likely the reason why December "disappeared" in the first place.
honestly i think the demon is more likely to be kris (or maybe even ralsei). we know kris wore red horns as a child because they wanted to be like their family. the fact that the horns were red stands out because the dreemurrs have white horns, so its likely that this distinction is made to conjure the image of the stereotypical red devil horns.
theres a theory that those horns are actually ralsei's light world form, with the red horns fading to pink over time. ralsei's main goal, if you remember, is to "banish the angel's heaven"
noelle is called an angel multiple times in game and the player commands noelle during snowgrave. if noelle is the angel in the legend then we are likely to be "the angel's heaven" and the prophecy will be fulfilled when we stop playing.
those that are against heaven would be called demons.
also i agree that kris wants to bring dess back. not sure why the person in the video implied otherwise but we have proof that asriel is alive. asgore mentions something about going out to eat when asriel comes back and theres a calender in kris's room that says kris searched "college break when" implying thats when asriel will be home.
dess on the other hand is confirmed to be missing because of the /dess page from the spamton sweepstakes that has the title "*find her" and shows a red guitar that plays a rendition of the song "lost girl"
Asriel isn't dead though. He's at college and will be visiting in a week. It makes a lot of sense that Kris would be trying to find Dess because it appears her disappearance is connected to the bunker that Kris has trauma over.
@@jediarcherbc709 I admit that Asriel isn't dead, as you pointed out.
But that doesn't change the fact that Dess is missing, and it's quite likely that Kris is involved in some way
@@meliasnahtony2951 Yeah of course. That's what I'm trying to say. My theory is Kris felt responsible for Dess's disappearance that had something to do with the bunker. Kris felt ashamed of not being able to help comfort Noelle, and my head canon here is this is when they stop wearing their horn head band, which gets thrown away and becomes Ralsei in the dark world. Kris desperately wants to repair their relationship with their childhood friend, so they journey through the dark worlds and eventually open one in order to find her. Little does Kris know, but Dess is now trapped in an in between space represented by the unused text in the code, and she is most likely also responsible for what we know as the Knight.
I'm a little bit disappointed that you didn't mention the characters' *dialogue* from these interactions, because there's some serious lore fodder with Ralsei. Anytime Ralsei does one of these interactions, he'll say "I... I didn't mean to do it... I... I'm sorry!!! I repent!!!"
While a simple comically exaggerated demonstration of guilt, I DO find the use of the word *repent* interesting, especially since, in the same chapter, we learn from Father Alvin that Asriel had an unusual fixation on the concept of sin, since the monsters in Deltarune apparently don't have that concept. Since repentance is a form of cosmic atonement specifically tied to the concept of sin, I feel it creates a noticeable parallel, and I'd definitely keep an eye out for any more weirdly christian phrases used by him.
Fair! I hadn't thought to discuss them since I was so focused on the ads themselves, but that's an interesting point!
11:30
I was thinking that it could be just a joke, but ralsei clicking on a castle and instead blowing up buildings with a bazooka could be refering to how they've been sealing the fountains of dark worlds, turning them to stone, and taking the inhabitants to Castle Town.
Hmm. Could be!
the fact queen saw what you’re suggesting asriel searched implies asriel doesn’t know how to use incognito. new theory, asriel has the computer knowledge to make the mostly finished videogame on his computer but is still tech illiterate enough that he needs kris’s help to do the simpler stuff.
14:47 2583... if you add one single day to that day count, it will turn into a Fibonacci number that is the sum of the first 37 primes 😛
Also, it feels peculiar that Asriel would have a fixation for "a purple dragon lady". Perhaps the theories about how Susie is more aware of what is happening in that timeline will take some momentum if more clues are added in the next chapters... WHICH CAN'T GET RELEASED FAST ENOUGH TO SOOTHE MY NERVES AAAAAHHH
PS: Perhaps Kris summoned a demon to try to challenge The Angel, and not because he wanted to borrow their powers to summon Asriel from whence he really went.
I read the timestamp, read the number, and thought "this man, this hu man, are they really analysing the lore significance of two-thousand eight hundred and *scrolls down after clicking on timestamp* eighty-three?"
The implication that Kris may have a crush on, or genuine attraction to, Susie is both somewhat frightening and kinda adorable
On the topic of demons, it should probably be noted that Gaster's connection to the number 666 ties him to this whole business. How? I have no idea.
i forgot about this...
Here's an interesting thought. What if Kris's demon summoning caused whatever interrupted Gaster's experiment at the beginning to discard the vessel and force the Player soul into Kris?
With the demon text, how you said it sounded like a conversation, it reminded me of when you first boot up the game of deltarune
"Are you there?"
(Greetings)
"Are we connected?"
(You have made yourself clear)
"Excellent "
"Truly excellent "
"Now we may began"
(Understood)
(I, your humblest servant, shall follow you to the utmost)
You forgot something important about the "demonx" stuff. They only showed up in updates, I forget the evidence but I've seen people say they were the response to when Toby threatened to stop making secrets if you leaked the files of the game. With this context it could be interpreted as Toby saying "you've made yourself clear, you clearly have 0 care for what I think or want, so I will simply follow along with your shtick and make more hidden file secrets for you to leak"
And even more importantly one day the demonx was updated with new text that just reads "HE IS" and the code was linked to when you name your character gaster, only like a day later undertale was updated again to remove it. It seems like Toby deliberately made a fake cut easter egg where naming your character gaster would almost drop huge lore before the game crashed like it usually would, like how the game cuts of right before asriel says his name.
Also gaster's love for the number six would imply he is demonic somehow.
Indeed, indeed. I wasn't neccesarily focused on going SUPER in-depth with discussing the demon lore in this video. I was just emphasizing how little we knew about it. Interesting nonetheless though!
woah seriously? i knew about the first part but i had no idea about "HE IS"... just when i think i know it all i still learn new things about these games. crazy
@@gristen "HE IS" is my number 1 pick for most obscure and cryptic piece of undertale knowledge, and I've seen a lot of weird undertale shit.
@@TheRealSuperKirby mine used to be clam girl lol. i think clam girl is more well known now but i remember back in the day clam girl would get random updates to her text for seemingly no reason and hardly anybody was talking about it at the time. it wasnt until the big clam girl update came out on the switch version that i really saw anyone else talking about her. i used to lose sleep over clam girl...
@@gristen eh clam girl qas a pretty big topic just no one knew what to make of it. I remember past theories from underlab that frisk went to mount ebot because their human friend Suzy went missing there, and that she is the human that wore the ballet equipment.
Of course all that is now deconfirmed
noelle definitely took "am I gay quiz"
I heard that the demona through demond lines were replacements for Toby Fox's message about not digging through the files and spoiling the game after Undertale became popular. Also if Monsters and Humans can date enough for a popup ad to be made this could be an explanation as to why Susie has blood yet the rabbit child claims that monsters don't have any (after all, Toby did intentionally put their line in _and_ have unused sprites of Susie bleeding in chapter 2's files).
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but throughout Undertale and Deltarune, I can’t recall a single instance in which someone breaks character for a joke. The consistency and quality of his writing is really something you don’t see a lot of
There's a handful of examples of lore becoming squiggly in a joke, although admittedly I can't think of any exampels off the top of my head. In general, Toby is very good at writing his stories though, no doubt.
Well, i don't remember the exact line but there was a monster in undertale, i don't remember which one, that had a joke about toilet paper which they aren't supposed to know it exists. It was the point of the joke, but still XD...
Also in Deltarune, Seam makes a joke about their name the first time we talk to them which breaks the fourth wall, and we could totally argue that it's not surprising for such character, but in the same time, Lancer has wrotten sign about pushing (C) to open the menu if i remember correctly, and i don't think Lancer is the kind of character to be aware of such things, I think it's more like the interaction with the frog in the begining of the ruins telling us to not skip their dialogue by pressing (X).
For those reasons, i disagree with you^^.
@@Simon-rr2kb
Ah, sans selling tickets on toilet paper to Shyren’s concert when you sing with her. Sans is mysterious, and it’s in waterfall, where human junk falls down. I don’t think that’s really an inconsistency in the writing.
Also, the menus are referenced in UT too, specifically when Papyrus mentions pressing C to open the dating menu, sans’ bones hitting you in the battle menu, and asgore destroying the mercy button. I think that’s sufficient evidence to support the menus and text boxes existing in-game, so that’s not inconsistent writing either.
But I totally see where you’re coming from, and I respectfully disagree with you haha
@@jackatk Personally I have no problem with Asgore destroying the the mercy button, as it can totally be interpreted as metaphorical. I would also agree for the text boxes, as the best example to support this is Mettaton litterally transforming words into physical bombs (tho we could also argue that the words were subtitled as it's a tv show and therefore not so intangible).
However ! The buttons of the keyboard existing in-game seems dubious to me, it's not like Kris/Frisk is holding a keyboard during the whole adventure. 😅 And if it is the case, how does it work ? How are some monsters like Papyrus or Lancer aware of it ?
And these are just a few examples, we could solve pretty much all of them by saying "it's Gaster" or some other crazy theory about time and space^^ but i just think it's unlikely in my opinion.
Nevertheless, if you have a theory of your own to explain it, i'm very much interested. 😁
Papyrus flying after his battle was most likely just for a joke
My two comments couldn't be more different tho LOL. Certainly the duality of UT/DT, I really love how this series can be the goofiest and most wholesome things ever at some moments and at others feel like an abyss of differing levels of psychological horror and mystery.
Indeed! xD
@A Random Gamer DeltaTune, a mispelling of Deltarune