[956] Exciting Disc Detainer Pick Update!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- Here are links to all videos in the build series:
Part 1 - The pick body (LPL) [ • [823] Disc Detainer Pi... ]
Part 2 - The control knob (BB) [ • (1434) Disc Detainer P... ]
Part 3 - The tensioning “nose” (LPL) [ • [825] Disc Detainer Pi... ]
Part 4 - The tensioning handles (BB) [ • (1436) Disc Detainer P... ]
Part 5 - The pick tip (LPL) [ • [827] Disc Detainer Pi... ]
Part 6 - Final assembly and presentation (BB) [ • (1438) Disc Detainer P... ]
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I'm glad sparrows took advantage of your absurdly generous offer to help them design that pick
They'd be stupid Not to
@@EmberTheShark There's no guarantee it'll make a profit.
@@bryanw4582 Why not listen to the f***ing video?
@@bryanw4582
As LPL says 20 seconds into the video, "we (BosnianBill and LPL) allowed Sparrows to use the design without any royalty or fee".
Sounds like someones misstake got called out and now he just sticks to it instead of having an admission of fault. Gotta love the internet for that more pride then brains.
LPL:
To lock manufacturers: this is how to fix your locks
To pick manufacturers: this is how to build a better pick
Jason W To everyone else: just weld your bike to the bike rack.
Corporate double agent
@@nathanwotwot you'll still be missing wheels and your seat post! you will need to weld everything!
He's playing both sides so he always comes out on top
And that's what community is all about - helping each other to produce a better result for everybody.
Sparrows should name it "The Disk Detainer Pick That Bosnian Bill And I Made".
Lole
i don't know if i can buy it if they don't. that's the only name i know for it.
there's a name for that: The *TDDPTBBAIM*
"The Bosnian Lawyer" or "Lawyer Bill"
it should be the 2T2B-AIM
The Tool BosnianBill And I Made
A part of me is sad you two aren't getting royalties for the design.
Yeah even if he just got like a penny every hundreds sold or some other small piece(i d
A gift is a gift; no strings attached. If you expect a reward, it’s not really a gift.
Right. I think that every time someone steals a bike they should have to send LPL and Bosnian Bill a dollar.
Listen for the first 30 seconds they let sparrows make it w/o royalties and fees
Still, if I worked at Sparrows, I would have the LPL and LL logos printed on the faces instead of that keyhole.... As a nod to the inventors.
We need more people like you in the world; brief and to the point, very educated and clear, helpful and altruistic. You're got a passion and you want to share that, and that's rad.
To the point, how refreshing.
I do hope the final product has a better surface finish... the original wins there hands down.
I actually like the looks of the Sparrows finish. You can tell the one in the video has seen some use but I still think it looks great. Perhaps they can give a few options for finish.
@@John-lx8iu The original has better contrast and the lines are easier to see.
I really like the steel look.
@@DouglasEKnappMSAOM I accept your opinion but I still prefer the gunmetal black look. Perhaps Sparrows can offer some options when it comes to finish...
@@John-lx8iu It is sort of odd that they have a red old lock hole on it. You would think it would have a cylinder lock picture. I think it looks a lot like 80s cheap black ninja stars.
LPL: Disc detainer locks are usually more secure because they are a bit harder to pick and the tools to pick them aren't readily available.
Also LPL: I'm about to ruin this whole lock's career.
Disk detainer locks also take alot more skill to get into.
@@urkryptoknight6793 while that's true, the "line" that they create on the pick makes it significantly easier to learn.
oh well, my abloy protec 2's are really just there to force destructive attacks so I could, legally speaking, force the insurance company to pay me for being robbed, insurance is the true lock
Suiseisexy Kinda sad how true this is.
*end this lock’s whole career
The home made version looks a lot more professional then the prototype.
Yup, and it extends far beyond the surface finish and colorscheme. The knurling, the handle design, the nose design.
@@billybobjoe198 The tensioner's nose is just worn out, Sparrows probably used a softer material than LPL & BB in their initial versions.
After all, these two Sparrows picks are prototypes to confirm the concept. If that gets approved by LPL, BB and the community, they get out the real stuff (which they, actually, have not at hand, according to the video's).
It does, but remember that mass production is very different to hand-making.
...and prototyping is a lot different from either.
And the price would be significantly higher too... LOL
The handmade pick looks so much nicer. The black and the weird knurling pattern on the prototype makes it look like a toy.
Well, thats the difference from machining something by hand so it would be very expensive for customers, and mass producing something so you can get the consumer price down.
@@Sakuxxx1x I don't think there's actually production reasons for it. It's a style choice. Just like there are picks that are painted black. It's not necessary but the vendor obviously thinks that they sell better that way.
@@saschaschneider6355 Not using stainless steel (which is expensive) probably makes a surface treatment necessary.
@@Paremo_ i was about to say this.
Painting it black actually has a practical purpose. It makes it more discreet. But it also protects the metal.
LPL picked my $90 Kryptonite in 30 seconds, while giving a tutorial! Just amazing.
Now to find your location ;)
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My suggestion is to keep the original silver finish and make just the center part black with the Sparrows logo in red. The silver finish makes the markings easier to read.
2:06 "Over 200 opens", damn, that would have took you at least ... 3 whole hours !
3 hours.....really? Was he taking 5 minute breaks between each pick? :)
@@josephking6515 ok, he's good but negative pick times would really confuse even master locks "security".
The Sparrow prototype is harder to see the marks on camera, not as much contrast compared to your hand-made version.
Yeah I definitely like the original prototype color scheme by LPL/BB. Sparrows color scheme is a major step down. Maybe better IRL? Idk, but on camera the difference is huge.
@@redeux at the same time, all the cheap Chinesium DD picks aren't painted, so Sparrows is probably trying to differentiate themselves from the Chinese picks.
Wholly agree.
I found the opposite to be true. I didn't even know that the hand-made one had a grid until the Sparrow unit came into view, and even when I found out it there were marks other than the ones showing he depth, I still can't make them out. They look to me like the normal reflections you would get whenever any light hits any sort of reflective cylinder. If you can see black-on-black better than red-on-black then your eyes are *a lot* different from mine!
Will let them know.
to me i feel the black colour looks tacky.
even though its the same quality tool the black paint looks easily scuffed and makes it look cheap.
aside from that once those small issues you mention are resolved i cant wait to order one :)
Maybe it's just me but I really quite like it. I even like when the paint wears a little. What I don't particularly like is the greebling. I much prefer the knurling on LPL/BosnianBill's pick
The only paint I care about is the red in the alignment grooves and I might even do something with like different colors or alternating colors (maybe red and black) to make it easier to know what disc you are on for those of us who don't have the sixth sense of knowing what pin/disc their pick is on while it is inside a lock like LPL does. But I would be fine with and actually would prefer a silver pick with red and/or black lines. I think they should at least not put paint on the tip, a painted metal surface that is constantly being scratched and rubbing other metal surfaces will get scratched immediately, unless that paint is specially designed to provide better grip on the discs some how I don't need it and don't want it.
@@evilcanofdrpepper True the tip probably should not be painted however for the body stainless steel is very expensive not only to buy but to machine and process. I would guess that the paint is necessary to stop rusting and staining on a cheaper material and bring the cost down. Maybe you'll get lucky and they'll do a stainless version alongside this one
@MontalbanJR That'd be the operator with the pick, not the tool itself ;)
@@anne_frank_ Some people have problems to grab fine knurlings. If such knobs get wet (e.g. from sweat) they become slippery.
I like you lockpick design more. Clean accurate look of steel, rather than worn paint on new pick.
The paint is worn from use. He said he got 200 opens on that one. Obviously a new one would have no wear.
This is just a prototype, not so much about appearance as functionality. So the paint probably isn't the most durable one, the production version will probably have some type of enamel paint for durability
"200 picks with this tip"
When you stay in a hotel, do they even bother giving you a room key?
No... they don’t even know I’m there. 😋
@@lockpickinglawyer LOL. Free hotel room. I hope you make the bed before you leave. :-)
they just give him a privacy tag as that is enough to open the door.
He can only open bike locks nothing else !
@@CUNDUNDO clearly you have never seen more than two or three LPL videos, and that may be pushing it
You made that by hand?! Dang.. I’ve seen you use it but never really considered where you got it from
You can see the process build with Bosnianbill in their channels.
I'm not sure how you could have missed the part about it being self made, since he says "I'm going to use the pick Bosnianbill and I made" literally every time he uses it.
BB has a 6 part series on the production of that DD pick and various prototypes, very interesting to watch. Check it out👍
They were all made in BBs lock lab btw.
At the top LPL has posted the links to all six parts, check them out because they are great to watch how this new tool came together, hope this helps ;-)
Just seen an amazing 3D printed version ,
The tip was hand made ,but it would for sure give the sparrows version a run for its money
This is how you hype and market a new product.
Company: brings out new lock
LockPickingLawyer: *I guess you wonder where i've been*
Grandpa Dusty
China start your Three D printers,..ill sell the tips,,
Bobby Caldwell jokes should be a thing more often
@@geraint1081 You're right, they should
Am I the only one seeing Sith and Jedi weapons side by side here?
He is the one to bring balance to the Force!
no, you are not alone.
The force is strong with this one 😁
😂😂😂
DP checks out ✓
Congratulations LPL and Bill. It's fantastic to see your design already in the prototype stage by the ever industrious, Sparrows. 👏
I agree with the majority of the comments about the colour/contrast of the handle/markers. My idea would be to have thin silicone O-rings in the marker grooves. In my opinion, it would have a few advantages. 1) give visible and tactile indication of moving along the disk stack. 2) Act to cushion and centre the handle, making it less wobbly and remain in position if you let go of it. 3) The O-rings would decay and break over time, but I can't see replacements being a problem. 4) Finally, the rings could come in different colours, glow-in-the-dark, etc., allowing everyone to customise the markers as they please. 👍
This same comment added to Bill's video.
I like the handle design on the sparrows one better but the knurling on the handmade one more. Depending on the price I might pick one up just as a collectible. Never really see too many of the disc locks.
LPL: I want to get these lock picks into everyone’s hands.
People trying to lock their bike: Excuse me, WHAT THE FUCK?!?
I can’t wait to get one of these! Looks like 10 people work for disc detainer lock manufacturers 😁.
Thank you LPL and BB for all the hard work you’ve put into this. It’s been a pleasure to watch the whole design to end product process. You guys rock!
finally bought my own LPL/BB pick, took me 5 days but finally picked my first disc detainer lock. brilliant stuff keep up the good work
Wow, I've seen you use those, but I had no idea you and Bill designed them. Just started following a couple months ago and I already can't wait to buy some pick kits and get into lock-sporting. I've watched a majority of your videos since the almighty TH-cam algorithm graced you upon my suggested video feed, but there's still a lot of catching up for me to do. Love everything about your videos BTW. How concise, yet extremely informative they are. You don't waste my time with filler or unnecessary jargon and I come away from it feeling like I could totally start in this field based on your videos alone.
Sparrows prototype is unsigntly, its incredible that two guys were able to make a better looking pick than a professional company did with a cnc machine, either way though, its great that they've decided to go ahead with it and mass produce it for consumers, you and BB did a great job creating the original design and then giving it to them royalty free was just honorable, though you really do deserve some monetary compensation imo.
Well prototypes for companies are different than designers/inventors you have limited resources and effort so you think about as much as possible before you even make a prototype and they had a lot longer to work on it where the company has to make compromises and find the right materials to balance cost of production and materials with durability and function they make a design to mass produce so their are alot of prototypes probably sent one of their better ones to get feedback
“You’ve seen me open dozens of bike locks with it... and we want to get these into your hands as cheap as possible” 😂😂😂
TheSippincoffee Just what I need. A lot of cheap locks.
So let me get this right.
You are , with no bias, showcasing flaws in other people's products, for free. Telling them how to improve products. Telling us what products to avoind, You get no monetary recompense from it. (besides TH-cam)
You are, with no bias, sharing a design you and Bill made, you are consulting on the further design and manufacturing process. You do not ask for royalties, consulting fees etc. (besides TH-cam)
More people like you is what humanity needs my friend. Thank you for all the content and the example you set as a human being.
I am brand new to lock picking. Purchased a sparrows night school kit. I will be purchasing this disc detainer pick just to show support for Bosnian bill and LPL. Keep up the good work. Glad sparrows stepped up to the plate. A easy decision for them.
It's really great that you don't waste time and just get to the point in every video. This new toy will be quite a lot of fun to try out, hoping they do shipping to more exotic locations as wellm
I hope you at least asked them to send you a whole bunch of the finished products for free!! In any case I am beyond glad this is all coming to fruition!
Very cool. It is really nice of you and BosnianBill to offer the design up without royalties. Thanx.
How do you know it was without royalties?
I know almost nothing about picking locks. I've never tried it. Watched the making of the tool out of interest in the machining. And yet I'm feeling very inclined to buy this tool when it is available. Very cool design!
Well, as a lover of tools, and having heard the improvements you suggested, I have to say "Thank you" for taking the time to get a quality tool out there!
This is excellent news, Really appreciate all the time and energy you and BB have put into getting this pick happening for the locksport community. I'm liking the industrial look of the pick from sparrows, makes it look really strong, have a good weekend, cheers
Thank you LPL for helping make this available to us! I have held off on purchasing one of these lock picks in hopes that a cheaper more quality version would be available!
Can't wait to try this. Learning all the lock types I can get my hands on has become my main hobby thanks to LPL.
Commented on Bill’s channel. And I agree that a slight remodel is required to make this perfect.
Well done to you both for taking the time and effort to get this out to the masses 👍
Congratulations to you and Bosnianbill on getting to see your creation come to fruition. It is a very cool design and I think I speak for a lot of people when I tell you that we are grateful for what you have done.
Just got one myself a little while ago. It's a gorgeous tool and worth every penny. Thanks, guys!
"Remember, this is only a prototype." - LPL
Lock engineer at lunch "Yes, give me another triple bourbon."
It's been so long since i heard his voice tone to be this cheery
The practical comments I have are already given in other comments:
- Red/Black contrast issue on the grid,
- Remove the chamfer,
- Longer tip for when the tensioning nose is fully extended,
- Include a zeroing metal scrap piece for convenience.
I just have one optional request for Sparrows: please add LPL and Locklab logos (maybe on the ends of side arms, or on the backside).
I'm just glad it's about to be released! The prototype looks very sparrow, too, which is good for their branding.
You and bill should honestly be getting some reward for inventing this. Its a very historic and genius invention!
They are getting the fame that comes along with this, it seems. Might be advertised as, "Designed by The Lock Picking Lawyer and Banzai Bill" with QR codes or urls to the channels
You're such a generous man, Sir!
More people like you and the world will be better. LOL!
Hope the pick is available soon and Sparrows willing to sell it to Indonesia.
Hopefully...
how, by making a tool to steal bikes?
Great to see Sparrows listening to yourself/Bill and the community.
Great video as usual, still watch whenever I can. 👍👍👍👍👍
As a locksmith I have been waiting and hoping for a better dd pick to tackle the newer hitch pin when the keys are lost. Looking forward to this and thank you LPL and Bill!
Wow, You Guys Gave them that !!! NOT MANY MEN LEFT LIKE YOU !!!! THANK YOU GENTLEMAN !!!! TRULY !!
It's very noble of you guys to not take royalties in order to keep cost down. Thank you.
I like the look of it I'm sure both the good lawyer and badass bill will make sure the final product is up to standard
Thank you LPL, BB and Sparrows👍 Can't wait to get my hands of one of these but the tip should be one solid piece imo.
Now time to design a rear tensioning DD pick.
Hi Mr. Lock picking lawyer, I really enjoy watching your videos, I had a quick question. Will more of the disk detainer tool be produced since it’s all sold out? Keep up the great work on the videos 👍
Very excited about this tool!
Glad that it will be happening!
Good idea to provide two tips with the tool and that you will be able to purchase extra tips if needed.
This looks to be a high quality version that has been needed for a long time . Glad Sparrows is going to produce it!!
👏👍👍👏🐈
I can't wait until they are put into production.. Thanks to you and Bosnian Bill for all the hard work.
That is one genious piece o' equipment ... im not a lockpicker, but i still want it on my shelf !
Exciting news! Sparrows has always been a great company in my opinion, from products to customer service, and this just adds to my opinion of them. Thanks again to LPL, BB and Sparrows for making this happen. Can’t wait to get my hands on one!
Thanks so much for this! I missed it in my inbox somehow, but thanks to the video, I've found my new favourite place to buy picks and won't have to worry too much about shipping and conversion rates (I live in Canada). I'm not really in tune with the locksport community, so finding a place that's not Amazon for picks (which is where I got my starting kit, I got lucky with a few hooks that are okay but not great and one tension bar that I really like) is really nice!
The Sparrows one looks well worn compared to your prototype, which looks pristine. I know theirs is a prototype too, so hopefully it'll be all shiny when ready.
je l'ai commandé et testé. Ca fonctionne magnifiquement. Plus petit que je ne l'imaginais. Merciiiiii
When Sparrows finalise the design and start selling them... they better have lots on stock ready or they will end up with lots of calls..
"And when is my pick arriving"?
"Sooo where is my pick"?
"Still waiting"!!!
Apsolutely the best hands down disc retainer lock pick on the market that I have ever seen just a Super bit of kit and the icing on the cake really nothing is safe now everything one bag hard hat and a roll of Plains and you would be amazed tor far you can go no question.Lol
Impressed by your’s and Bill’s contribution to the picking community
That’s amazing dude! Although, I like the stainless handmade version better.
I will DEFINITELY be buying these when they hit the market!! Thanks BB & LPL & Sparrows!
OMG, I WANT IT, I WANT IT, I WANT IT, I WANT IT!!! I don't care what price it is, I want one so bad it is so worth it. I have even looked into hiring a machine shop to build one for me but there are so few around where I live that it would be ridiculously expensive. I am going to have so much fun picking disc locks! The feeling of beating a lock by picking it open is just the most exciting feeling.
evilcanofdrpepper
Wait for the 3D printed version
Thank you, your videos have improved my skills at lock picking and identifying easy targets.
Good to see you and Bill are getting your design to become better and out there.
Sparrows really needs to pay them for their time! These are going to sell like crazy. Seriously, you and Bill really did something special here! I hope I will have a bit of extra money to spend when they come out. If not I'll save up. This is really a great moment in lock picking history, monumental even. But, seriously.... U need to get something. They are going to make a mint of the sweat of ur brow!! And if you really don't need the money, maybe you can send me one of the finished products if you feel I deserve one. No matter what, thank you for making this happen!!
Does anybody else watch these videos and think this guy is absurdly good at picking locks? Like I mean it would take me hours to do what this guy can do in sheer seconds
Wow this was just suggested to me and only yesterday I emailed you about where to get these picks lol. I'll definitely have my name down to get one when they come on sale!!
I’m so getting one of these! I’m a novice at lock picking and have only been practicing on pin locks so I’m looking forward to trying to open some disk detainers I’ve got
This is great, thank you so much lock picking Lawyer for my new free bicycle.
Great work from both you and bill. Looking forward to the final product 👍
"you now know everything that I don't know" 4:55
LPL, thanks for you and BosnianBill for making this lock pick happen. It's exciting to see and I will want to pick one up soon!
Bravo LpL, don't let yourself be distracted. Keep it up, we need enviers
Reminds me of the Depth gauges i used in engineering but made into another neat tool, if i was still in engineering, I would make one from one : )
Your design looks so much better
Excellent 👍 that is really great to see, nice work to you and Bill.
You're a real pro with that disc detainer pick! "Like Crap Thru A Goose" would be an appropriate title for the video but would probably not pass the censorship for that first strike! 😆🤔💨😁
Really love the chrome design...Stunning
Lol, I suggested they'd be shipped with an extra tip on Bills video just before I watched this video. Glad I'm not original. Congrats on getting your pic noticed and into production LPL! 🤘😎
You could find a way to incorporate the tool to rotate the disks before the picking so you have one tool only. Good work!
I also commented this on bosnian bill's video; maybe an adjustable "stopper" ring on the tension shaft could come in handy, so you could set it to exactly the depth for the first disc with the ring right against the lock body. Might improve comfort and stability while picking ;)
It's baffling how many people are dissing this excellent tool. Sparrows DOES NOT fuck around with their tools. Not one thing on their site could be considered low quality, this disc detainer pick is a pro grade tool and it looks very good.
I prefer the look of your original. It seems their suggested design is cheapening your vision
Like most consumer goods, Sparrows have built something with more form than function. Planned obsolescence is built in and more important, a device that's designed to be mass produced.
Low price was a corner stone of this project from the start. After Sparrows comes out with this model, perhaps they can make a "Deluxe Model" or something for those looking for something with more visual appeal...
It doesn't look that bad. The only worry is that the paint will wear over time, as you can already see happening. They just need to make those minor improvements he stated and it will be fine.
@@Belioyt i think your response is the inverse of the op's point. He likes the 'look ' of the original more than the mass produced one. Thats the 'form' and as lpl showed, other than a few tweaks, its functionally comparable to the source product.
So im not sure what you were responding to but it doesnt seem to be the op's original comment.
Yes, custom tools are often made better than mass produced tools and often look better. But as he said sparrows is recieving feedback and tweaking the build so that they produce something that reflects well on them and on the creators of this pick. Im not sure how that is cheapening his vision. His vision was an affordable detainer pick that actually works on a variety of locks that people can actually get their hands on. Seems like this is exactly that.
I would love to try out your pic too I'm the poor picker I've never picked a lock like that because of it I love you videos keep it up
I would like for Sparrows to name this pick the “Lawyer Bill” disk detainer pick.
Sounds like a legal fee...
I certainly hope Sparrows sets up pre orders, it will help avoid crashes due to massive demand.
Brilliant! loved watching the build process.
So excited for this!
Now a reasonably priced Abloy pick would be super!
Just got mine. Extremely well made tool.
You dont understand how excited i was to hear your voice on The Modern Rogues Video😂😂😂
Same. At first I was like "no fucking way" followed by excitement
Already watched Bills Video after not finding the pick on the Sparrows site. Looks great, but I agree with the comments of the Black and Red being hard to see. I really like the Stainless Steel idea.
I'm so glad they are going to make the I'll have several as soon as they release them. Thank you to you and boznianbill
So excited great job guys you guys are lock pick legends.. you got me hooked.. can't wait to get my hands on one
Your hand made one looks and reads so much better than their prototype. Red lines on black are harder to read than on silver. Your knerled handles are more professional looking and won't wear down and have a better grip. I'm hoping their prototype has a lot of revisions planned.
Guess my question is why not just go with your design adding the modifications you suggest.
So many bike thieves would be loving this tool 🤣🤣