SEE UPDATE BELOW Moto Guzzi V7 850 2021 Mistral exhaust pipes 220521 ROAD TEST and Garage
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ค. 2021
- UPDATE 5th July 22 -- I had a small service and the ECU updated firmware with the nice folks at Brighton Moto. The bike now runs REALLY well. the fuel issue between 2500-3500rpm is now totally gone and the bike feels awesome. Like a different machine.
UPDATE 5th July 21 that is a nasty surprise. Just received an invoice for VAT and Import duty for my pipes which arrived 20ish May.
Moto Guzzi V7 850 2021 Short slip on Mistral exhaust pipes 220521. In no way a mechanic, I managed to fit the short slip ons. Compare the stock exhaust pipes and the Mistrals with and without DB Killers. It chucked down with rain so the testing was cut a little short. Hope you like it.
GARAGE TEST @ 2:11mins
ROAD TEST @ 4:50mins - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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Sitting in neutral and blipping the throttle shows nothing. Most videos don’t show riding by.but yours did and it’s greatly appreciated. The V7 sounds so much better with the Mistrals.
Leave the baffles OUT for the love of God. The sound is glorious!
That’s how I feel too!!
That comment was awesome! It made me laugh because I wholeheartedly agree!!
The issue is, with the DB killers out the bike runs too lean. I do agree it sounds great though.
@@frase32 Just get a powercommander and make it suck some more fuel+air
Here in Australia nobody will let this baffler in. Great sound mate.
Kudos to Mrs David for filming in the pouring rain! It's perfectly simple - standard exhausts (good), Mistral with dB killers (better), Mistral without dB killers (best). Top job!
She had an umbrella but I did have to raise my voice a few times to remind her it IS FOR THE CAMERA! haha. Ride today and have decided with DB in is best. Performance appears to be right where as OUT will need remap.
You're one of the few who bought the V7 Special instead of the Stone. Much better. Well done!!!
I would let the DB killers in. Sounds great and fits better to the relaxed nature of the bike for my taste. Anyway enjoy and have fun
By the way, you said you're not a professional tester, you did a better job than a lot of the "professionals".
Thank you Sir
What a great way to demonstrate and show the difference. I definitely liked the sound with the DB Killers out. ⭐️🇦🇺
Great video David !
Having a V7 850 with Mistral exhaust I am a supporter of dB killers in. The sound is already great (for me 😊) and definitely not to loud for neighbours and people around. I have also to add that Mistrals are giving the Guzzi a more untamed nature with more character and charisma (understand defaults : vibrations and lively idle 😊) and a nicer look (shorter exhaust)
DB killers OUT !
Great review DB
Sounds truly wicked without the killers in. I have a v7 classic that came stock with lafranconi cans and they sound mellow and mean like a muscle car, but doesn’t compare to your exhausts! Thanks for sharing
Great Nice sound with the Mistral silencers 👍🏻😊
Thank you David for your video, quite interesting. Looking forward for new videos !
Many thanks
Thank you for this David, even riding in the rain to do this for us, thanks!!
Thank you and, my pleasure. Sunny days and great rides followed. a bit like life really. 🙂
Magnifique moto , et les échappements Mistral sont de qualité 👍
La vidéo est bien faite , bravo 👏
Thank you. 🙏
Hello David, you can cut 1-2 cm (half inch) of db killer inner pipe to find the perfect sound. Not so closed, not so loud. Just perfect. Greats from Italy :-)
I have a Yamaha 650 dragster. Took the baffles out standard exhaust, adjusted the carbs , performance air filter.
Man does she sound sweet, nothing like an unrestricted V twin .
Mind you I live in Hungary so no noise police.
I would always go straight through pipes on a V twin but then again it all depends on the laws of the country you live in 😊👍
Motorcycles are defined by their stance, and their acoustics, at least for most people.
In your bike, the DB killers out makes the best fit. I find the stock pipes appealing if you ride in a big city since its pleasing to most people. I am sure that is the actual intent of the designers. However, the rumbling resonances is irresistible, a lovely mechanical music
adding an special character to the machine.
Thanks for posting this fine video.
Thank you Sam. the DB killers in is a good sound but performance still needs to be sorted out.
Sounded fantastic with db killers out great looking bike
Great video - thx for all those comparisons!
You are most welcome
Loved the reaction. Great video!!!
Thanks bud.
DB killers in as your throttle response may suffer with them out......happens on some bikes. I have the Agostini pipes ( DB killer in) on my 2020 V7III special.....spectacular bike and love the color and style on yours.....they nailed it! Enjoy
Leave them out! Fantastic soundtrack!! Ride safe.
I appreciate the effort involved to demonstrate all three options . Made a great, informative video.
I have and 1100 that I turned into an old man's cafe bike
Hey Terry. My pleasure. Old men and Bikes are always a winning combination.
Nice 'thrap' with the Db's out on the road, shame the weather has been pants. You got the Mistrals a lot quicker than I thought you would :D
It was one of those things that I spent too much time thinking about. Lol
Great video and review! I like the sound with the DB killers out because it's less raspy... I like the deep mellow sound. I have a 2018 V7III Special with long Mistrals. The motorcycle has just under 18,000 miles now, and I've had the Mistrals on, DB killers out, for 16,000 miles. It's never too loud, and it hasn't impacted performance, positively or negatively, except the Mistrals feel much lighter than the stock mufflers. It's a great modification and well worth the money. I love the craftsmanship of the Mistrals, and they still look new two years later.
Thanks buddy. 👍
Aaron. We have the same bike and I want to put Agostinis or Mistrals on. But the word is that it is almost mandatory to flash the ECU to be safe (for the engine) and for max performance. What is your experience?
Sounds just perfect with the db killers left out.. love the Vid!
Thank you. It is now running with the db killers in as it is just a bit too antisocial with horses and through small villages early in the mornings. Still sounds awesome 😎
Well done sir!
Thanks much…..from BC, Canada
Out out out...sounds great 👍
Dave, great job demoing these. Just taken delivery of a Stone so, of course, am thinking about it. The stock sound above tickover is a bit turbine like so the Mistrals are a definite improvement and the stock exhausts are the only element of the bike I’m not so sure about looks wise, so a no brainier really...except for that price tag! PS. Does everyone get a t-shirt? PPS. I like your side bag and am wondering how it is attached?
Thank you Derek. Interested to hear your thoughts on your new bike. Good huh? I agree that the whine is a bit of a drag and the Mistrals do do away with that for sure. Not sure about the t shirt but for the price one would like to think so! The side bag is actually an old Think Tank mirrorless mover 30i which has a belt loop all the way along the back. I undid the front grab bar and slipped it on there. It's not waterproof but works well for bits and bobs
Hi David, Happy for your new Mistral hexsaust. Based on your video my impression about the sound Is that the best Is with the db killer in. Probably It Is the most equilibrated about different choices.
I'm seriously thinking to put a new V7 in my garage. Hope soon. Have a long and safe Road. Bye
Hey. Thanks bud. It’s a nice bike for sure and agree (probably) about the DB killers.
Terrific video, love the V7 Special, I’m buying the white and grey one in May, thanks to your video il definitely be getting the Mistral pipes….have to hear it for myself whether baffles stay in or out. Keep on with the videos. Hi David just put the Mistral pipes on the new V7, they look and sound amazing it’s Baffles in for me. P.S I bought mine over here at Gutsibits in West Yorkshire they import from Mistral.
Thank you for your kind words. Exciting you are getting a bike and nice colour scheme too. Id suggest that the pipes are the best thing I changed on the bike (as well as the horn!)
great review, i will get mine installed this week, getting my Mistrals tomorrow, and will install them on wednesday or thursday and do some tests, and comparisons. i will post the results on my channel probably next saturday. it would be interesting to see if mine act similarly with the throttle response. Keep us updated David, and thanks for the great video.
Nice one. They were super easy fit. I will be really interested to hear your report. 👍
Oh. Did you see my comment on your Redit? About service intervals and the like?
@@davidberman5121 no, didn't see it. Let me see if I can find it
I'll be watching! 👍
Mistral contacted me to say that with DB OUT, you will need a remap. I rode today with them in and they were spot on. 👏
HI David - I have watched many a video doing various bike gear/add on comparisons and I have to say yours was (like the lager) probably the best I have seen. It was honest and to the point and with no soppy extra superlatives thrown in or pointless plugs. An excellent and honest appraisal. I am just about to place my order an 850 special. If you don't mind me asking what was the cost of the upgrade and how much of an ouch was the import duty? I'm UK based too. Also is it easy to remap the ECU yourself? or should I ask the dealer to do it all before I take delivery?
P.s I also have an Enfield 500 Single - Bullet Classic with an after market pipe on and boy does that really fart !
Hey Mel. That is very kind of you to say. Thank you. I believe I was the first in the U.K. to get the Mistrals so they came from the factory and cost about €500 off the top of my head. The import duty and rip off charges were about £100-£130 I think. Can’t remember exactly. You can get them from the U.K. now and your dealership should be able to supply and fit I guess. I think there might be a fuelling issue with the bike generally as I have seen some posts on Facebook groups (V7 U.K. being well worth a join) that have reported the issue even with stock. It’s a euro5 thing I think. It’s nothing deal breaking as the bike is phenomenal in my opinion but I certainly have a flat spot at about 3500rpm. Some say it is a ‘breather pipe’ modification that sorts it out. I’ve not tried that yet. There isn’t a remap available yet as far as I am aware but there will be one soon. David.
Great video thank you so much - special thanks to the stalwart camera operator!
Thank you.
Thank you for sharing this , lovely ~
Thank you Jerry. 👍
Stock, as usual, sounds very anemic. Mistral sounds lovely without being obnoxious. I'll be ordering a set when I order the bike.
Stock isn’t too bad to be honest. I would say they just needed a touch more bass and rumble and they would have been great.
I need this bike in my life
I think you did an awesome job, and I'm with you about the baffles out 👍
How did you managed to take them out?
Congrats
Thank you. 🙏 there is a small screw in the back. It’s a star, security one and a bit of a pain but that’s all. Take out the retaining clip too.
Excellent review thank you for posting to me the bike sounds good with and without them however I would keep them in only for fatigue purposes otherwise these will be going on my V7 in the near future thanks again!!
thanks bud. The db killers are in for good now. sounds awesome but needs a remap still. Not sure if that is the bike generally or due to the pipes.
The Mistrals sound great with the dB killers out. I remember reading or watching a video that said you should have your Moto Guzzi retuned when adding a higher flow exhaust to get the benefits of the extra power without burning a valve. Nice bike! I hope to have one someday.
July 22 update. just had the ECU updated and she runs perfectly with the DB killers in.
@@davidberman5121 I wonder did you do it yourself or give it to a service?
Thank you for the video. And thank you for sharing three different sounds form the V7, The V7 sounded good with the Mistral pipes and sounded like a cammed up drag car witht the DB kiilers removed. But I'm OLD (almost 70) so I would probably keep the stock exhaust. My friend just bought a new V7 Special just like yours. They are great bikes.
Thank you. It certainly is more fitting for me with db killers in but is, in my opinion a ‘must fit’ accessory to help the bike sound just right. Sadly, with the stock pipes and euro regulation, it does sound a little too tame for my opinion.
Personally I preferred the sound with out the DB killer in, however would probably keep it in for long journeys.
In the video and, On the side of the road, they sounded ok but I think for the civilians it might be too much.
You are a likeable guy with excellent tast in motorcycles!
Kind regards 😊
Thank you. 🙏
Great video, thanks for posting. Very informative. Realise I’m a bit late to the party!
Looking at getting a V7 Special in the new year.
You are welcome. My pleasure, I’m glad you found it useful. I have very much been enjoying my bike but admit, I’ve not been out as often as I should have. 😮
A oui, mistral impec.le son est super et super look en plus .bonne route .
Thank you
Mistral dB out is fantastic! Congrats for your V7 ( i love it this bike). Ciao ( from Italy)
Hi Emanuele. Thank you. She is lovely. Maybe see you in Mandelo in September. 👍
You did a great job and you should leave the DB Killers out.The sound is amazing (symphony).
DB Killers out. Sounds like a BSA from the 60's. Glorious.
DB killers out, sounds a little bit more base. Good video do another one when the weather is better!.(Torrevieja Spain).
Thanks buddy. I’ve ridden some more and decided DB in as it doesn’t need a remap. We have some sun no and the road is calling. 👍
What a sacrifice you make for us David! Getting your bike mucky and both of you soaking wet - I do hope we appreciate it.
Regarding using them with baffles out - definitely the best noise. The fuelling would worry me a little though - they might be a little too free-flowing. My girlfriends Dad had a similar issue with the Triumph Peashooters on his 865 T100. They sounded great (including some nice pops and crackles on deceleration) but the pick-up suffered quite badly and we worried about the long term affects of an over-lean mixture. The bike got hotter too and being air cooled (like the V7) there was concern over heat dissipation. The answer might be a power commander - but you've already spent a lot of money ;-)
Hey thanks bud. all this and no adverts popping up! haha. I was totally soaked and Mrs David had an umbrella and a car to drive home in!
I shoot videos for a living so it is really nice to be able to do some for fun and try to help out some folks.
Since the review I have been in contact with Mistral and the great MG dealer near me in Brighton UK as i experienced some less than perfect ride dynamics on a 100 shakedown last weekend with the baffles in. They both suggested a battery disconnect for 15 mins to reset the ECU. I did that and had a shorter ride yesterday morning. It all felt quite a bit better. Baffles out and you will certainly need a remap and that is what Mistral confirmed but, I have reached a conclusion that the baffles in is a much better sound for my environment, lots of small villages and horses that I don't want to piss off. The bike sounds superb with them in and the smaller pops on a trailing throttle with a very slight input are just about right. its a bit more throaty without being obnoxious and overstated.
@@davidberman5121 Thanks David for your prompt reply to my comment. We've booked a test ride today on the V7 at our local dealer who are Midland Scooter Centre. We're (myself and Kels) both looking forward to it very much. They haven't confirmed the booking yet but hope they do this morning. We were initially considering the V9 Bobber but the reviews say that fat front tyre really spoils the handling. Tried a Triumph Streetmaster but the seat is both over-firm and too narrow for comfort. I did like the torque and sound of the latest incarnation of the 900 WC engine though. Sadly, dealers have no stock till October and I don't want to buy a bike right at the end of the biking season. Plus, the Guzzi is a little less mainstream which I like. In terms of character - I've had both the 1150 and 1200 BMW RT's so I'm expecting something very similar with the V7.?
@@PhilipBallGarry I had a 2010 BMW RT for years. The longest I have ever owned a vehicle and absolutely loved it. I find the Guzzi has so much character and that superb engine feel of the torque twist and shimmy. I also considered the triumph scrambler and some other variants but the chain and other things changed my mind. I had a mk1 V7 a few years back and the size, charm and ease of the ride was something that i kept in my head. I kept the RT as I thought I would be commuting more and crossing continents with my buddies but things change and I started to find the RT just a bit too big and unwieldy for my use. I don't think I could have found a better bike for high days and holidays. It's no rocket ship, but that's fine. Up to legal speeds it is more than adequate. For overtakes it is fine for looks? I don't think it can be beaten. I have had 150 mile rides without arse ache and find the seat comfy and leg position spot on for my 5'10 29inch inside leg. There is also a really friendly, active facebook group 'Moto Guzzi V7 UK' Good luck with your test. Interested to hear your thoughts when you get back.
@@PhilipBallGarry Oh, I forgot to add. Once you throw you leg over you become more attractive and 20 years younger. That said, I havent had women throwing themselves at me. Yet! haha
@@davidberman5121
Our test ride on the Moto Guzzi V9 Stone (black).
Well, it was certainly "interesting".
First the good bits.
Thumbing the starter button (not the mode switch - idiot) the whole bike trembles a little and turns over more than I'm used
to and definitely reminds me very much of my air cooled boxer twins. Then it starts and in my head I'm Doctor Frankenstein shouting
"It's alive!". Then Boris sits quivering and ready for adventure. And now I'm thinking of the Gene Wilder film of the same name as we
climb aboard "Putting on the Ritz". Gentle clunk into 1st I stab the shift lever a few times to make sure (it's not too positive)
and away we go. The Guzzi is exactly as promised, a living, breathing thing so genuine to it's roots. There's plenty of power and 6th gear
is a true "overdrive".
The not-so-good.
This particular demonstrator had a fuelling issue at low revs in 1st gear (to be fair, we were warned about it), surging and threating to
constantly cut out. I rode around this of course with plenty of coasting and clutch slipping but it made it almost unrideable at low speed.
The seat - though comfortable was too short for two-up riding and the suspension set-up was too firm - we were unceremoniously
bucked out of the seat many times over our hour long test ride.
Neutral was difficult to engage and several times lied to me. Letting out the clutch (cautiously) the neutral indicator would wink out
and the bike would move forward - clearly not neutral at all.
The fuel consumption was reporting 199 mpg and the average speed indicated was 130 mph - clearly a gremlin or two.
The black exhaust covers on this almost new bike had already faded to a dark grey which spoiled the look somewhat.
We were really disappointed as from the moment the bike started, we were already smiling with delightful anticipation at a bike which
promised to be true to it's roots, improved a great deal but not ruined by being sterilised, too modern and too perfect. We really wanted
to like this bike (sad emoji).
The dealer promised to give us a call when the bike is sorted so we can have another go.
Good test video. I like it.
I think it sounds best with the DB killers in; A bit too 'Harley' with them removed, I thought.
Thank you bud. I agree. DB in for now.
@@davidberman5121 In actually sounds better and no remap!
sounds nothing like a Harley, why waste money on mufflers if you want it quiet? leave stock pipes on then.
Great video. Really like your way of testing the difference. This makes it so much easier for all the rest of us considering them!
A note on the throttle response without the dB-killers, this is most likely due to increased air flow (less back pressure) which would run the engine leaner in stock ECU-mapping. As Euro5 is already pushing the mixture towards the leaner side for emissions standards, you ought to consider getting the ECU(fueling) remapped by a professional if you do choose to run without the DB-killers. An engine that runs too lean can cause serious problems in the long run.
In fact, you can already feel the lean mapping around 2500-3000rpm in stock configuration - typically felt as a very slight hesitation - , so take that as a "benchmark" for your considerations.
Again, thanks a ton for a great video!
Hey. Thank you so much. I just heard from Mistral and they say exactly the same. Euro 5 is really tight so with baffles out it does need a remap. I think the bike will probably benefit from a remap anyhow for the hesitation you describe.
@@davidberman5121 have you done the remap ?
DB killer in works beautifully. Sounds so old-school and is unlikely to annoy you, or others.
You are right David. Sounds right and isn’t antisocial.
Out...by all means...and have it adjusted accordingly...the sound of the Guzzi, lets you find the rhythm of the bike...its a glorious sound
Beautiful motorcycle, (I have a secret yearning for an MG 850.) I think I might spend my money on a foreign tour in place of messing about with the exhaust system, but hey, it's your bike! 👍
Thanks for the video, David - excellent job! Quick question ... I have just received the Mistral shorties for my V7850 and have begun the installation process. My question - do you reuse the steel mesh spacers that are part of the original setup? If not, it seems there is too much gap between the Mistral inlet pipe and the original header pipe for the clamp to tighten down sufficiently ...
Thanks and enjoy that great bike!
Hi John. Yes you. The piece that is about 1inch wide slots back into or on top of the header
@@davidberman5121 Thanks so much David for your quick reply .... back to the garage for me!
@@Foggy9520 yes. Get on with it. I did find that disconnecting the battery for 15mins helps the ECU reset. If you keep the dB killers out you will need a remap. Enjoy the spannering and, bring the noise!
DB killers out. Well done, good test.
Thank you. 👍
Sounds great both ways, I'm in the market for the exact bike!
DB KILLER OUT! Awesome!
Man, the weather just didn't want to cooperate for an hour or two for filming.
On my V9 Bobber I fitted the Agostinis, no DB killers and it sounds awesome. I did tune the ECU and it doesn't run as lean, no surging when hot and little change in mileage. I think that ECU programming is necessary. I'm not a fan of add on modules, I prefer the ECU programming that takes care of other parameters, too.
Much to like. Keenly following V7 850 content. Can the DB killer be modified to split the difference?
I think modification may well be possible. Do you mean like drilling some holes?
I had a look just now and that is a genius idea! It just steel for the DB killers.
Thank you so much for doing this video and the various sound comparisons. Much appreciated. Any advice would be welcomed on how its looked upon by the police, MOT time (not due yet🤗) and your insurers. Biker in the UK. Ps. If you leave dB killers out, you need to run it at high rpm to get the best from the engine. E.G.track use. It's all about back flow pressure. If you want it run with it out and use the bike at normal pace, then remap it. My take on it.
The DB killers in is totally legal. the new ecu update 0722 has sorted the fuel issues and she is perfect now. End cans are not even declaration with carole nash, my current insurance
in the UK
well done video, I really liked it. 👍
Thank you.
@David Berman, hey there! Nice exhaust note, I really love it. Are the mistrals road legal exhausts?
yes they are CE marked. that may be with the DB killers in though
Great vid! I'm considering a V7 so am of course curious about how the stock pipes sound vs. aftermarket slip-ons like the Mistrals. The stockers sound just a bit too muted for my taste, but the Mistrals with the db killers in sounded perfect to me. Throatier without being obnoxious.
Oh, the Mistrals really make a difference in my mind
Cheers for the review David. You've reminded me why I have left the UK for the third time in 30 years! The first shots with the good weather were gorgeous, then it started lagging it down and that just brought back some nasty memories. Onto more serious business though - you also reminded me about playing about with exhausts. I remember fitting a full race Yoshimura set up to my 1987 Suzuki GSXR 750 (yes, the old slabby-sided widdowmaker!) It made a complete mess of the carburation. If you radically alter one side of the intake / exhaust equation, you've got to balance the other side. I'm sure there must be some sort of injection mapping to match the baffle-less option. Perhaps Mistral could oblige? I literally just paid for a brand new Centenario edition V7 - I was umming and ah-ing between this and a brand new V7iii in black with a sizeable discount but between my wife, the salesman, and another customer hanging around the showroom who'd traded in his V7iii for an identical V7 Centenario, they morally battered me into going for the more expensive model. There's no money in the bank now for exotic pipes, but that'll be on my list as soon as I can afford them. Biking is all about the sensations and I remember close to 25 years ago when I stuck some carbon-fibre megaphones on my Ducati 900SS, it really brought it to life! Enjoy your ride mate.
The 850 with stock pipes still sounds wicked so you won’t be disappointed. Even the Mistrals with dB killers feel like there is a problem to me. I need to refit stock and compare.
@@davidberman5121 hi Dave, wondering if you can help me… my dad has bought the 850 but is struggling to find a suitable pannier/luggage setup. He has just bought the guzzi rear rack, but it is not very big so it doesn’t fit a top box too well, so I was thinking about a side pannier instead like how you have it set up. Could you tell me which rack and pannier you have fitted here?
Also what’s the problem with the pipes as he has just ordered a pair off the back of me nagging him to get some after watching your video months ago!!
Cheers
James
@@jameslancaster5196 hi. The small bag I have is a camera bag I had lying about. A think tank mirrorless mover i30 I think. It has a belt loop which slides over the specials stock grab bar. It’s plenty of space for bits and bobs. Since the video I have bought the hepco and Becker side paniers for longer trips and they fit well, look reasonable. A little expensive but I don’t think I’d like to fit a topbox.
The pipes have affected the fuelling and I am still waiting for a solution. It still rides ok and sounds awesome but there are flat spots.
@@jameslancaster5196 Hi, I picked up the V7 850 Stone just over a month ago and I can tell you, there's a wealth of after market options for the V7 III but I think that with the 2021 model being so new, the only options at the moment are stock Guzzi ones (bloody expensive!) I stuck a screen on and the only option I found was original equipment, €200 for a bit of clear plastic and a minimal mounting bracket. Ouch. One nasty thing is that there is no grab rail on the Stone version, and my poor wife feels like she's falling off the back. I'm wondering about fitting a 850 Special grabrail, but I'll probably wait until Givi brings out a pannier system. I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't have gone for the 85TT now...
Hello, i have the same Guzzi v7 850 special and DB Killer out! This is the sound for one Moto Guzzi! Hi from Belgium
Ahh haa. Nice. How are you liking your bike?
@@davidberman5121 i own a honda VTR Sp1 and wanted a motorcycle with a retro look and i like its engine for cool rides. Good video, thanks
Absolutely best sound with the dbk out
it is just a little too loud with them out.
Loved the vid. DB killers out! 👍
thank you. Actually sounds brilliant with them in and isn't too antisocial. Plus no remap.
Great video! Just one question about the weight difference: is that for both cans together, or for one individual can?
I personally think the stock exhausts sound quite ok, but not as good as the Mistrals. However I would not remove the db-killer on the Mistrals. Without it, they sound a bit too loud to be comfortable on longer runs. I also feel the higher noise level doesn't suit the classic, unpretentious character of the bike
Hi. You are absolutely right. The stock pipes sound pretty good and certainly, I could live with them. The Mistrals, with DB are excellent but I did find them to be a little intrusive on the short ride yesterday afternoon. I wonder how that would be after a days ride?
Weight was both and the hangers on the bathroom scales
Stunning bike
Thanks you. They are superb. ❤
I live in the Land of Harley Davidson and even with the Mistrals wide open the sound is impressive - motorcycles need to put out a few decibels to create that riding charisma ..
Smaller roads and dense population mean that louder can be a bit obnoxious. But it does have a big voice with the killers out for sure!
Great Video. I have recently fitted some Mistrals to my old 2010 Cafè classic but I am getting some popping on the overrun at low rpm.
I thought I heard a bit on yours, but it may have been rain dropping on the mic. Did you have a remap?
Hi bud. Sorry not to have replied sooner. With the DB in, there is a very slight and occasional pop on decel with slight open throttle. Nothing other than quite pleasant. I haven’t run her without db’s for a long time as with them out is rather too antisocial!
Great Videos DB .....Have several bikes including a Breva, have to decide whether to customize the Breva, get a Griso or a V7 850 to replace, what do you think?
Yeah. That's my dilemma. I think I'll trade my 2018 V7 for the new 850 and get better suspension, seat, and power.
Had the same "problem" with my v7 || when I let out the db-killers.Good to know it's going to have the same effect on my v7 special 850 😅
Lovely sound,not to sure on the exhaust lining up at rear, right muffler looked more angled out
Leave the db killers out would be my preference, great looking bike whatever the sound.
Hi David, just came across this vid, thanks for posting. Did you have to add a new ecu map for the Mistral pipes?
Hi. there isn't a map or rolling road profile available yet. Some owners say they dont feel the need for one but my bike isn't right. I am thinking i need to refit the original pipes and see if she runs better or still has this flat spot. i can make another video.
Leave them out, it sounds fabulous ! If you can't be fast , sound great!
it is Pretty fast. No rocket ship but good for A and B road fun at the speed limit.
very very nice thank you!
Sounds flawless with the DB killers in. Without the DB killers is too much imo
Agreed
Very cool 😎
It's out for me 👍
DB killers out! Great video
Cool video! :D
Thank you
wonderful the joy face at the moment of the db killer out
A different throttle response with dB killers out could be due to less back pressure. Less back pressure can result in less volumetric efficiency and therefore less power and torque. A dyno test with dB killers in and out would reveal whether or not this is the case.
I think I need to get that done. Depending on the weather tomorrow I will see how she rides.
Great video. Did the mistral exhaust with db killer in fulfill the EU5 legislations?
Mistral say yes. 👍
Mistral: best aftermarket quality/price 🇮🇹🦅👍
Congratulations on a beautiful bike. I love the colour. I like the sound of the mistrial pipes but to be honest, I think the stock pipes sound better.
Thank you. She is a beaut. The stock pipes do sound good indeed.
Pipes' SOUND can be broken down in 2 parts: tone and the loudness. My stock Lafranconis have beautiful tone but they are not as loud as I would like them to be. I'm waiting for my short Mistrals like these to arrive and I know while the tone will be a downgrade, loudness, less waight and more free flowing (no CATs) will be an upgrade. Cheers!
Seriously Peter???
I think it sounds great with them out but may be tiresome on a long highway run! I have always ran stock mufflers on all my bikes, BMW and HD Sportster but maybe I will put slipons on the v7 850!
Great info, have the exact same bike, and I'm looking to invest in a pair of silencers, so the vid is extremely valuable to me, cheers!. I notice that you use a bit of wood under the stand, as do I!! have you mentioned to anyone that the stand seems a bit short? is there anything that can be done about it? (My guess is that they forgot to check the stand length after they revised the frame geometry and suspension!)
The Mistrals are superb and I am pleased. Ive not heard the other options but many swear the Agostinis are also wonderful. I havent found the sidestand to be an issue and only have it there in the garage out of habit i guess!
:-) Your bike Is beautiful and elegant Classic bike!!!
Grazie mille
Thank you. Such a nice bike. ❤️
Sounds good in or out
Out if your feeling mean 👌🏻
It sounds great both with the db killers in and out. Wondering if they can be modified, like I did with the Arrow can on my Bonnie?
You might need a fuel tune and change in air intake/filter with them out.
Hi Bud. the DB killers certainly could be drilled out a bit but the sound is awesome. Still not convinced about the fuelling though.
David, are those Mistrals equipped with CATs? I'm a bit surprised by the small weight difference. I took off my stock Lafranconi mufflers ('10 V7 Cafe) and they are even lighter then your stocks - 6.8kg. Considering that Mistrals are smaller and CATs free I'd expect them to be lighter. Cheers!
Hi Mickey. I’m not sure to be honest. I should have looked at them better before I installed them but my excitement got the better of me! Haha. They are euro 5 compliant but does that meen it has a cat?
@@davidberman5121 Very odd that they are euro 5 compliant w/o the cats. I hope mine will come without them. Cheers!
I just got a set and yes they have cats in them.
I think if they don't have cats the lambda sensor will detect higher volumes of unburnt gases and the bike won't run properly without a ECU remap.
Not Fan of the short exhausts, however the sound w/o the db killers is amazing. Cheers
They look better than I thought actually. As yet, long ones not available.
Hi David, I hope you wouldn't mind me asking. How much do these pipes cost including UK VAT and post Brexit Import Duty? I really like the sound and look!
Hi. i dont recall how much they were. maybe £600 but the import duty and charges were an unwelcome surprise. I would recommend sourcing from your local supplier if you have the option
Excellent ! Thank you
You are welcome!
@@davidberman5121 is there any chance you tried the Agostini on this bike?
@@Lovndabeats hey bud. No sorry. I had the Mistrals on a V1 750 and they were great so it was an easy decision to go straight for the Mistrals for the 850.
Hi Great review, I'm speculating buying a 2021 v7 special - have you had any problems with yours, thanks
Just my opinion but It is, Without question. Awesome in every way. For those sweeping country roads at 30-60 mph. For those gentleman’s Sunday rides, for the week alway exploring it is outstanding. Not sure I’d like to spend more than a few hours on a 70+ road though.
Reminds me of the 1994 Strada 1000 I used to own.