Spear main tips. Run smoke granades, being able to drop agro so you can line up shots and reload really useful. The spear will always Miss if you are too close. Runs a supply backpack and give it to a friend. Having a consistent supply of missles makes the game super easy. Having a railgun and a spear and is better than 2 rail guns. They each kill the enemy's the other struggles with. It shines in those moments when you get swarmed my like 4 heavys. Use smoke and use your team as bait to line up easy kills.
fun tip with the smoke grenades! now i know how smoke is supposed to work IRL but in your experience, in the game, how do you best use smoke grenades? Do you drop them on the enemies, in between you and the enemies, or on yourself? Or does it not make a difference either way?
@@plushiesrandomvids I typically throw it in front of me and run through it. Bugs will stop to search the smoke. However that doesn't work against robots, robots will spray wildly into the smoke and you will get hit just as much. It's not as useful against them but I haven't tried throwing smoke at them that could be more effective
@@nimric3348Throw smoke between you and dive out of line of sight. Most their shots will miss and then they calm down a bit as they start looking for you.
@@nimric3348 The way smoke works, as I have heard it, is that it obscures their view. So bots are programmed to shoot at your last known position. If you're up and running your known position is updated for them because they can still detect you (as the detectability stat on the scout passive points out is a thing.) If you dive into the smoke, crawl away and then sneak even further, they'll keep firing to where they last detected you, which is where you dived into the smoke. The problem with bots is that they have a weird goldilocks mix of ranged and melee and detection has a minimum range of if you're so close to an enemy they will notice you regardless of what's going on, save it be you're destroying them, if you're in their range of line of sight. If you're sneaking up behind them, that's outside their line of sight, but if you're lying down in front of them, they'll notice you even in smoke. So those blade guys and berserkers end up ruining everything because you can't crawl faster than they can run. It's worth mixing smoke with something like a turret. If there's a turret firing at them, they'll go for that. Giving you time to smoke and crawl away. Again, take notice of your detectablilty and think of it like any other shooter game. Prone is most stealthy, crouched is sort of stealthy, standing is not stealthy, running while shooting is you're not even trying to stealth anymore.
The reloading time is actually decent. Everybody has been dumbed down by call of duty instant reloads. Helldivers went for realism instead of arcade action.
@@Johnwick-jo8uo exactly! in real life you can pick up ammo just by running over bodies. you can even reload and have your bullets magically teleport into your other magazines!
I recently discovered that if I hold the ads button during the reload animation and keep the circle on my target it will almost instantly lock when you stand back up. I need to test it more, but it's been pretty consistent the last few games
My favorite weapon so far. I brought this into a helldive against bugs and when we were guarding the extraction zone, i killed 3 bile titans one after the other all while my team kept spamming railguns at the chargers. 2 things I hope they change with it 1. allow it to get ammo from drop crates. even if you make it like .5 for every crate 2. fix the targeting/lock on apparatus. It's much too finicky.
I think the finicky trageting might be on purpose. Weapons in Helldiver are realistic in function, and a real guided missile launcher might have trouble with targeting as well.
What ive been noticing with the orbital laser, is that on bile titans, the beam comes in at an angle and centers in on the titan's silhouette on the ground. So it will constantly be shooting in between the legs not hitting anything, unless the titan decides to rotate its rear or head under the beam. Ive even seen the orbital rail cannon prioritize brood commanders and spewers over chargers and bile titans.
Thanks for making the video, OhDough. I love the spear, but it needs some serious tweaking to the lock on, tracking once fired, and you should either be able to pick up ammo from ground ammo packs(not supplies) or gain two rockets from a resupply rather than 1.
@@frankurrutia7782one shot requires a headshot. As seen in this video where he only hits the bile titans head. They take 3 spear rockets if you dont hit its head.
I like how this thing is so inconsistent you and I have the opposite experiences with each faction, I've found it to almost never one shot bile titans and chargers, even to the face but mainly because of teammate aggro, so it's facing away from me, bots however it's a life saver for cannon turrets, tanks and hulks when they're far enough to be targeted, speaking of the targeting, it's the targeting I've had the most trouble with, open space or half obscured, super far or super close, high ground, low ground, flat to target, doesn't matter the lock on will start when it wants to, reverse when it wants to or just flat out not start at all despite the titan being RIGHT THERE, 20 METERS IN FRONT OF ME. they gotta fix this thing soon man
The lock-on is the ONLY reason I’m on the fence about this weapon. If there was some measure of consistency to it, I’d run it religiously because THIS WEAPON ALONE is enough to free up several stratagem slots in my team that would otherwise have to be dedicated to hard AT options.
@@OneBiasedOpinion same here but it's also the fact that bile titans can take 3 and it's still not dead, yes I should be hitting the face but thats not always possible and this thing has damn limited ammo as is, I dont need to be spending 90% of it on a single bile titan when theres 3 more just around the corner, bile titans should take 2 rockets MAX but that would be a very rare case, ignoring the obvious case where a rocket hits the leg
They just need to increase the auto lock on accessibility and give it a half lock mode which could help you go from super tuff enemies to the smallest guy.
Thanks for the video, it is really helpful. Not a bunch of talking about how to use the spear correctly or how it compares to other weapons, just showing how to use it which is easier for me to learn from. Will definitely watch some of your other videos for any helpful examples on how to use support weapons.
Regarding the lock on… you generally need a complete LOS on the target, where it meets the ground and it’s top. Weather, fog, smoke anything can obstruct the lock on. Best success is from fighting up high with shield generator to reload and recall squad if needed.
Thanks for showcasing this. I’ve been desperately trying to get this weapon to work vs Bots, but I have been making the mistake of just waiting for it to “go green” before firing instead of spamming LButton the way you do. I’m gonna try again with this new knowledge.
Chargers being able to tank a headshot from a Spear actually makes sense.... Game hunters know, the cranium is one of the worst places to target. It's the thickest strongest bone in an animal, especially in charging animals like rhinos, bulls, and elephants. Bile titan makes a bit more sense for weak skull, the acid spew probably killed anything that got in front of it, so it never needed the same head armor that a Charger would.
I've one shot chargers many times with the spear, if it hits the head. The thing is its trickier to land a headshot on a charger than a titan because the spear tends to arc into their back or right above the head. But direct headshot = instakill.
Chargers are not able to tank a headshot from the spear. The jank angle means it's just unlikely. Sprint past a charger as it runs at you, keep running for a bit, then lock on to the charger as it slowly turns for another charge. Firing at basically any point before it starts running will be a nigh-guaranteed instakill headshot. If you're extremely unlucky it will pivot to someone else and rear back, blocking it's head with it's leg. But even then that shreds the leg armor and you can just shotgun it a couple times.
In from post patch. Spear is a must have and it slays. I will say I wish I saw this 8 days ago because I learned the hard way about just holding down the left click fire so that the weapon goes off when it flashes green for .00001 seconds on some targets. I thought it was unplayable before figuring that out
The spear does oneshot chargers with headshots, its just trickier to land because the missile arc and low profile of the charger means the spear will mostly hit their back or right above their head and not get full impact damage on the head, especially if the charger is moving.
You know, I just watched a video where the guy says the most effective way to take down a titan is with a railgun, just a mere 10 shots out of its 20 shot cap 😂
One shot head shots with the spear on titans and chargers is unreal. I’ve just be come a dedicated spear user against bugs (it’s feel less effective against robots but still helpful). We play around that power of spear and we get a lot of mileage from it.
I think it's just too cumbersome to lock on in a real situation, especially versus bugs. I use it for stealthily taking out automaton bases and sniping bile titans in the bile titan assassination mission, and recently i took it as effectively a backup recoilless rifle for dealing with heavy bugs. If the lock on was more generous and functional, if you could get rockets from ammo pickups, if you're on a map with wide open sight lines, maybe it'd be a decent pick, but I'd acution anyone from thinking it's STRONG.
Not at all, I run it on every helldiver difficult but mission and clean up chargers and titans, it’s incredibly consistent and easy to do with the one shot head shots.
The spear is still good against the automatons however you are aiming for a differnt point! Terminids you aim for headon headshots like you have shown with the bile titans. If you catch a charge around 40m or further away you can 100% reliably oneshot them when they are facing you. For the Automatons you are aiming for the back! You want to hit the heat vents on hulks and the tanks. The only way I can think of to oneshot the hulks from the front is by hitting the small visor part which is where a railgun or autocannon would be a better choice for sake of ease.
When I play with friends, I bring Orbital Rail Cannon, Orbital Laser, Spear, and EMS Mortar. I play objective destroyer, and they play the rest Lmao. its really fun walking into a scenario and knowing that my team has my back before during and after a major target strike
With the Hulk. The second shot to me looked like it was shot out of the air and detonated early. I've one shot them plenty of times on challenging. The explosion afterward is so satisfying. 🔥 😂 Beautiful Democracy 😍
I've had the Spear consistently one shot enemies if it hits a weak point. ex. Bile and Charger heads, and heavy automaton heat vents. Main issue is secondary stuff such as rocket path, locking issues, and minimum range. A fun and solid weapon that can really clutch up when needed, or frustratingly let you down.
My own using the spear has taught me that you need to be able to see the fabricator from foundation to roof on one face. So if it's wedged into a rock or cliff and you can see the corner of the bottom and the top of it, it's not going to lock. You need to be able to see the majority of a face of the fabricator and from the bottom to the top of it. But that's really the only use I use it for. Battles are way too fast paced for me to try to lock on to a hulk while dodging everything, run away to reload, and then get the lock again. Being able to deconstruct from a distance and not be there when they call for a drop and having them search for nothing is great as a solo player. It's even better if you mix in the mortar sentry because then they'll focus that thing that has indirect fire capability on them and keep getting smoked until it's destroyed or runs out of ammo.
I understand it having a hard time getting a target lock on super close enemies or when LOS is questionable, but when all there is between me and a charger that's 100m out is just a shrub or an icy flat, I should be able to get a lock in just a couple seconds. I fight the target lock multiple times just to get 1/3 locks I realistically should. Also, should be able to guarantee one shot bot drop ships. It's literally its original and primary function.
I wish there were guns in this game that exclusively required 2 people to use that whould actually have damage scaled to how risky it takes to set up and get ready to actually fire. Seems like a fun concept to me at the very least.
I tried using this thing but I refuse to because it's just a Railgun 0.5 as it stands. They need to do either of 2 things because fixing the abysmal lock on: 1. It needs a big damage increase to it consistently one shots everything 2. It need to be able to regain ammo from small ammo boxes around the map not just supply packs One of those absolutely has to happen because as it stands, Railgun can just do better and it doesnt need a backpack.
@@RustedBuddy5192Getting ammo from pickups is all this would need to be good IMO. That and make supply drops give 2 rockets. That would vastly change how many shots per game you could take.
The spear should have a prompt for cycling through targets once you have it locked and loaded. ADS, then be able to switch between targets without having to re-aim each time you want a different target. Dont know what button, but the developers can figure that shit out...
off topic question but are u going to do a video on the new corrupt weapons in remnant 2? or are u not interested (honestly just want to see u do a build with each of them or atleast try to)
Spear vs Bots is very useful IMO. Can kill some of the most annoying buildings, it's like having another reload stratagem. Jammer = win, these are the biggest pain in the balls thing to play against. Flyers = no aim needed, easy locks usually Buildings Usually one hits tanks as the turret is soft compared to the hull Can one hit hulks in front of rear, multiple hits vs the sides Also, now when you grab ammo off the ground, it refills x2 Spear Rounds.
I think the spear should be a one shot on hulks and tanks from any direction, because if it's not capable of doin that, it makes it less useful than impact nades
i really love the spear but god do i wish they would fix the targeting or at least give some sort of tips on how it targets because ill do the same thing every time and it just fails to target and it feels so bad to use, but eh still my favorite support stratagem.
Spear is genuinely the most impressive weapon I have seen across both Helldivers 1 and 2. I have never seen such a genuine waste of space in my life. This thing is perfect for level 4 missions or full stealth runs. Better yet, it is the best weapon ever if you don't play the game at all really.
It is literally the single best support weapon in the game at the moment. 1 guy with a spear shuts down every single bile titan and a good few chargers.
Honestly I think the weapon would be great if they boost the damage a little bit so it's a guaranteed kill on everything, and fix the lock on of course.
HEY you can one shot chragers in the head with it, just make sure it's facing you and you have a clear shot and you can do it far away too!! . . Also if you shot the chrager in the rear or butt it will one shot with the spear
why tf does his spear insta lock but mine decides to lock, unlock, lock unlock and take a hot minute just to fully lock xD if my spear locked like his i'd love the thing but it decides to try to lock and finally locks once a charger is point blank, hell it won't even lock a bile point blank lmfao
Its 90% where the rocket hits. It one shot the bile titans because it hit the head. Hulks visor is more central so the odds a spear hits there are low so something like a anti material rifle is more preferable against them. The spear killed the charger because it hit the head.
My biggest Spear gripe can't lock on to the Armored Bile Spewers (who shoot mortar from their ass) from Extreme and higher difficulty. The Spear is really a Bot destroyer for me
People kick over this weapon but they have no idea how good it actually is once you learn how to use it properly (having high ground, clear line of sight and so on)
the spear seems so cool but that lockon being so finicky makes it kinda mid and if you're too close it can fly right over anything moving even somewhat fast
Targeting the Speer is in my experience pretty inconsistent Sometimes it’s barely not getting a lock on stationarie targets a.i robot fabricators to add to that the bots with the rocketpods aren’t considered worthy targets to lock on. Overall it’s seems niche
Been trying to get used to the EAT that everyone is using. But trying to aim it perfectly and having to go back and grab the second one is so inconvenient and not to mention dangerous in some situations. After switching to the spear its like a night and day difference. I usually one hit and no aiming required. On the scientist rescue missions and defense this is so much better than eat and the orbital railgun. Last rescue game, everyone was using Eats and failing so miserably. Eats were literally litering the floor next to their bodies. Me and my spear mopped up every single bio titan. It locked in on them right when they spawned and put them down before they even had a chance to fully emerge. Had like 8 titan kills that game. Gota make sure you dont get over run with the smaller stuff if you are by yourself though since you cant use a rover.
spears can one shot bot fabricators. ive blown fabricators up from over 200m away with it. i struggle getting a one shot vs a hulk, usually i have a buddy running quasar cannon though and the spear + the quasar cannon is literally a god tier combo. the spear is good vs tanks and bile titans too, and it can one shot the gunships (not the dropships, but the ones that spawn from the gunship fabricators)
In my opinion (especially coming from first game) all of you are sleeping on the single use rockets, very very fast cool down has similar damage to other rockets ( one shots tanks in the grill) one shots atuomaton mortars and destroys the outposts as well, Imo if you're not using a railgun and you don't wanna depend on stratagems for armoured enemies it's a no-brainer. Just simple math in 480sec it takes for normal cooldown you could call down the single use almost 7 times (6.8 to be exact) and have 14 shots of anti tank.
Right but I'd rather have 3 rocket eagles when I'm running from a horde of tanks and hulks instead of having to keep kiting them around where my EAT's dropped
I love the EAT, but sometimes it’s better for me to carry something with more utility. Still, until the Spear gets its locking system updated, I may have to fall back on the EAT for a while because this thing is still too jank for my tastes.
fix targeting and increase damage, that would make this weapon actually good and balanced. you should be able to kill drop ships with this like you can with the quasar and recoilles.
The SPear should one shot the Hulk, for sure. You have to lock on and thats not often possible when they're up in your grill... which is all the time in defensive missions.
My feel it takes long time to lock the target and sometime spear can’t lock. When I move around still can’t lock (turret) IDK why I just feel like it hard to use normal rocket more easy and I still have ammor 5 at my back Autobot who carry missile can’t shoot by spear and difficult to shoot by Gun No.1 or we can use grenade for sure we have to stay close I think spear should buff to fast lock target and DMG to Hulk should be 1 short. Tank and turret it ok for 2
the Spear can destroy strategem jammers if you can lock the attached building! honestly I prefer EAT-17s vs bugs bc you could strip charger legs in one shot and with the new patch just outright one shot them. Spear is excellent vs automatons if youre in a group, you just have one guy wreck cannons and bases from afar.
Spear can one-shot chargers to the head, and always has been able to. This can be very consistently set up by evading a charge and locking on as they slowly turn in place to start a second charge. It's usually not the best use of ammo, but with bile titans being less common now, I'm finding that I can shut down 80% of heavies on my own on a helldive.
Um...no...i'm not bringing orbital laser for titans...i bring it to clear vast swats of smaller enemies AND because it's versatile enough to be also useful against the big enemies. Also you failed to mention something that is a VERY important part of why (at least for me) the Spear is a bad pick - you can ONLY reload it by picking supplies from the stratagem, normal ammo does not reload it AND 1 pick of supplies, which is ofc 1 player share, gives you one single missile. So unless you are getting more than your share (thus depriving others of ammo) good luck reloading it. Also last time i played with it (which was about a week ago so it might be fixed) i noticed that there is a bug with the Spear - even while everything but your Spear is at max ammo you CAN pick up ammo from the points of interest but since that doesn't restore Spear ammo it's basically a waster and you can continue picking them up until all are used up for no reason. Again - haven't tried it in a while - could be fixed already.
Recoilless Rifle Ammo > Spear Ammo. RR is just more consistent, carries more ammo, and has a stepped reload so that you can interrupt parts of your reload while not having to start over from the beginning. Spear, once interrupted in its reload animation, has to start over from the beginning.
Thing is recoilless does better in certain situations than this one. The dropships for the automatons is a 1 shot to the engine, 1 shot to blow off charger leg srmor.
The railgun one shots bile titans… I love the spear. Just what is that lock on? Why do I have to open channel five news to check if it’s raining over in Finlan. In order to be sure I’ll lock on.
God if this shit would reliably lock on if like AT ALL during my missions I’d have it all the time but it comes down to whether or not the damn thing wants to cooperate today… straight dumpster 🚮
they aren't, I can 1 shot level 9 bile titans with spear and I can 1 shot lvl 5 bile titans with spear. misinformation in this game is at an all time high.
Neither is better. A spear and a railgun is better than 2 railguns. They excel at killing enemy's the other weapon struggles with. Spear 1-hits bile titans, turrets, chargers and tanks. Railgun 1-hits dreadnoughts, mediums, and is more efficient and bringing down small numbers of chargers. They both kill the same enemies but together they both become super efficient at murder.
railgun is better because you can still use a backpack. spear you have to use its backpack otherwise you only have one shot. and having someone use the backup just takes backpack space from that person@@nimric3348
@@nimric3348 railgun can 1-3 hit bile titan if you shoot the weak spot and railgun has 20 bullets. I play spear because it's look cool but railgun is better if you shoot the right spot. railgun and breaker should be nerf because It's much better than anything else.
@@frostdemolution419 rail gun still struggles into tanks and turrets. The spear is reliably kills any heavy in 1-2 shots a give a budy a supply pack stratagem and you got enough rockets to almost never run out. Rail gun is more efficient at most points in the game but in those situations where 3+ heavys spawn the ability to set up and nova them all to death is extremely useful. The spear gets you out of the toughest situations the fastest and that has alot of value.
It's clear that the devs do not have a "numbers guy" for the design part and no numbers pass was done on any of the weapons before release, as is typical these days since all we get is beta games for full price. The Spear should clearly one shot chargers and hulks and probably two shot titans and tanks, considering how expensive the ammo is and the fact that it's a top tier support weapon.
it does 1 shot titans, tanks have to be hit from the back apparently. Helldivers is $40 which is $20-30 cheaper than the standard full price of a game.
By cut content you mean 3 uniforms, 4 guns, 1 booster and 1 grenade type that you can get by playing the game? That cut content? Doesnt seem cut to me if its in the game and accessible to everyone by playing.
Oh my bad also 1 submachine gun that blows through ammo and a unique armor that has the same passives as armor already in the warbond so its purely cosmetic
Spear main tips.
Run smoke granades, being able to drop agro so you can line up shots and reload really useful. The spear will always Miss if you are too close.
Runs a supply backpack and give it to a friend. Having a consistent supply of missles makes the game super easy.
Having a railgun and a spear and is better than 2 rail guns. They each kill the enemy's the other struggles with.
It shines in those moments when you get swarmed my like 4 heavys. Use smoke and use your team as bait to line up easy kills.
fun tip with the smoke grenades! now i know how smoke is supposed to work IRL but in your experience, in the game, how do you best use smoke grenades? Do you drop them on the enemies, in between you and the enemies, or on yourself? Or does it not make a difference either way?
@@plushiesrandomvids I typically throw it in front of me and run through it. Bugs will stop to search the smoke.
However that doesn't work against robots, robots will spray wildly into the smoke and you will get hit just as much.
It's not as useful against them but I haven't tried throwing smoke at them that could be more effective
@@nimric3348
"Use smoke and use your team as bait to line up easy kills."
This is the way
@@nimric3348Throw smoke between you and dive out of line of sight.
Most their shots will miss and then they calm down a bit as they start looking for you.
@@nimric3348 The way smoke works, as I have heard it, is that it obscures their view. So bots are programmed to shoot at your last known position. If you're up and running your known position is updated for them because they can still detect you (as the detectability stat on the scout passive points out is a thing.) If you dive into the smoke, crawl away and then sneak even further, they'll keep firing to where they last detected you, which is where you dived into the smoke.
The problem with bots is that they have a weird goldilocks mix of ranged and melee and detection has a minimum range of if you're so close to an enemy they will notice you regardless of what's going on, save it be you're destroying them, if you're in their range of line of sight. If you're sneaking up behind them, that's outside their line of sight, but if you're lying down in front of them, they'll notice you even in smoke. So those blade guys and berserkers end up ruining everything because you can't crawl faster than they can run. It's worth mixing smoke with something like a turret. If there's a turret firing at them, they'll go for that. Giving you time to smoke and crawl away. Again, take notice of your detectablilty and think of it like any other shooter game. Prone is most stealthy, crouched is sort of stealthy, standing is not stealthy, running while shooting is you're not even trying to stealth anymore.
That Hulk didn’t survive 2 shots. The second hit the tree
So I'm fighting automatons and tree's. Gg
@@OhDough The trees are speaking binary, they are also the enemy
Trees are Speaking Binary on the Creek
MrBeast was too successful.
@@km077nah don’t speak about the trees😂
The reloading time is actually decent. Everybody has been dumbed down by call of duty instant reloads. Helldivers went for realism instead of arcade action.
You haven't played a call of duty ever since they are based on real life
@@Johnwick-jo8uoI'd rather drag my balls through hot broken. Glass then play call of duty
@@Johnwick-jo8uo exactly! in real life you can pick up ammo just by running over bodies. you can even reload and have your bullets magically teleport into your other magazines!
@@Cloudighast bro neither of those have too do with the spear lmao
Yes, the slower reload creates the tension... And causes you to be tactical in when u decide to reload.
I recently discovered that if I hold the ads button during the reload animation and keep the circle on my target it will almost instantly lock when you stand back up. I need to test it more, but it's been pretty consistent the last few games
My favorite weapon so far. I brought this into a helldive against bugs and when we were guarding the extraction zone, i killed 3 bile titans one after the other all while my team kept spamming railguns at the chargers.
2 things I hope they change with it
1. allow it to get ammo from drop crates. even if you make it like .5 for every crate
2. fix the targeting/lock on apparatus. It's much too finicky.
They got 1 down
I think the finicky trageting might be on purpose. Weapons in Helldiver are realistic in function, and a real guided missile launcher might have trouble with targeting as well.
“Praying…..opening the Bible……reading it vigorously…” yea I’m stealing that and subbed 👌🏻
What ive been noticing with the orbital laser, is that on bile titans, the beam comes in at an angle and centers in on the titan's silhouette on the ground. So it will constantly be shooting in between the legs not hitting anything, unless the titan decides to rotate its rear or head under the beam.
Ive even seen the orbital rail cannon prioritize brood commanders and spewers over chargers and bile titans.
Thanks for making the video, OhDough. I love the spear, but it needs some serious tweaking to the lock on, tracking once fired, and you should either be able to pick up ammo from ground ammo packs(not supplies) or gain two rockets from a resupply rather than 1.
Also consistent damage. I one shot a titan once and another time two shots wasn't enough
@@frankurrutia7782one shot requires a headshot. As seen in this video where he only hits the bile titans head. They take 3 spear rockets if you dont hit its head.
@@Very_UnwiseWhich considering the ammo efficiency issues with it is kind of crazy
Update: they allow you to pick up ammo now
They have at least made it reload from ground ammo now. The lock-on still feels horribly jank though.
I like how this thing is so inconsistent you and I have the opposite experiences with each faction, I've found it to almost never one shot bile titans and chargers, even to the face but mainly because of teammate aggro, so it's facing away from me, bots however it's a life saver for cannon turrets, tanks and hulks when they're far enough to be targeted, speaking of the targeting, it's the targeting I've had the most trouble with, open space or half obscured, super far or super close, high ground, low ground, flat to target, doesn't matter the lock on will start when it wants to, reverse when it wants to or just flat out not start at all despite the titan being RIGHT THERE, 20 METERS IN FRONT OF ME. they gotta fix this thing soon man
The lock-on is the ONLY reason I’m on the fence about this weapon. If there was some measure of consistency to it, I’d run it religiously because THIS WEAPON ALONE is enough to free up several stratagem slots in my team that would otherwise have to be dedicated to hard AT options.
@@OneBiasedOpinion same here but it's also the fact that bile titans can take 3 and it's still not dead, yes I should be hitting the face but thats not always possible and this thing has damn limited ammo as is, I dont need to be spending 90% of it on a single bile titan when theres 3 more just around the corner, bile titans should take 2 rockets MAX but that would be a very rare case, ignoring the obvious case where a rocket hits the leg
They just need to increase the auto lock on accessibility and give it a half lock mode which could help you go from super tuff enemies to the smallest guy.
Thanks for the video, it is really helpful. Not a bunch of talking about how to use the spear correctly or how it compares to other weapons, just showing how to use it which is easier for me to learn from. Will definitely watch some of your other videos for any helpful examples on how to use support weapons.
Regarding the lock on… you generally need a complete LOS on the target, where it meets the ground and it’s top. Weather, fog, smoke anything can obstruct the lock on. Best success is from fighting up high with shield generator to reload and recall squad if needed.
that second shot at 1:23 clearly hit the tree fwiw
Thanks for showcasing this. I’ve been desperately trying to get this weapon to work vs Bots, but I have been making the mistake of just waiting for it to “go green” before firing instead of spamming LButton the way you do. I’m gonna try again with this new knowledge.
Chargers being able to tank a headshot from a Spear actually makes sense.... Game hunters know, the cranium is one of the worst places to target. It's the thickest strongest bone in an animal, especially in charging animals like rhinos, bulls, and elephants.
Bile titan makes a bit more sense for weak skull, the acid spew probably killed anything that got in front of it, so it never needed the same head armor that a Charger would.
I've one shot chargers many times with the spear, if it hits the head. The thing is its trickier to land a headshot on a charger than a titan because the spear tends to arc into their back or right above the head. But direct headshot = instakill.
Chargers are not able to tank a headshot from the spear. The jank angle means it's just unlikely. Sprint past a charger as it runs at you, keep running for a bit, then lock on to the charger as it slowly turns for another charge. Firing at basically any point before it starts running will be a nigh-guaranteed instakill headshot. If you're extremely unlucky it will pivot to someone else and rear back, blocking it's head with it's leg. But even then that shreds the leg armor and you can just shotgun it a couple times.
They still made the regular Chargers capable of being one-tapped in the head with the larger AT weapons now. Might be the Spear can do the same.
Once you lock on with the spear, you should have a prompt to cycle your targets.
In from post patch. Spear is a must have and it slays. I will say I wish I saw this 8 days ago because I learned the hard way about just holding down the left click fire so that the weapon goes off when it flashes green for .00001 seconds on some targets. I thought it was unplayable before figuring that out
The spear does oneshot chargers with headshots, its just trickier to land because the missile arc and low profile of the charger means the spear will mostly hit their back or right above their head and not get full impact damage on the head, especially if the charger is moving.
You know, I just watched a video where the guy says the most effective way to take down a titan is with a railgun, just a mere 10 shots out of its 20 shot cap 😂
Railgun 100% has the propaganda campaign running to maintain best weapon status
One shot head shots with the spear on titans and chargers is unreal. I’ve just be come a dedicated spear user against bugs (it’s feel less effective against robots but still helpful). We play around that power of spear and we get a lot of mileage from it.
I think it's just too cumbersome to lock on in a real situation, especially versus bugs.
I use it for stealthily taking out automaton bases and sniping bile titans in the bile titan assassination mission, and recently i took it as effectively a backup recoilless rifle for dealing with heavy bugs.
If the lock on was more generous and functional, if you could get rockets from ammo pickups, if you're on a map with wide open sight lines, maybe it'd be a decent pick, but I'd acution anyone from thinking it's STRONG.
Not at all, I run it on every helldiver difficult but mission and clean up chargers and titans, it’s incredibly consistent and easy to do with the one shot head shots.
You do get rockets from normal ammo pickups now! You get 1 per pickup. Athe biggest issue plaguing it now os kusy the lock on
@@s2wuolf508And its ammo, needs to take 2 ammo boxes to fill up instead of 4, make it take 2 rockets
The ammo problem has been addressed. Now they just need to improve the aiming/lock system.
@OneBiasedOpinion The lock on works just fine, you just need to know how it works.
The spear is still good against the automatons however you are aiming for a differnt point! Terminids you aim for headon headshots like you have shown with the bile titans. If you catch a charge around 40m or further away you can 100% reliably oneshot them when they are facing you. For the Automatons you are aiming for the back! You want to hit the heat vents on hulks and the tanks. The only way I can think of to oneshot the hulks from the front is by hitting the small visor part which is where a railgun or autocannon would be a better choice for sake of ease.
When I play with friends, I bring Orbital Rail Cannon, Orbital Laser, Spear, and EMS Mortar. I play objective destroyer, and they play the rest Lmao. its really fun walking into a scenario and knowing that my team has my back before during and after a major target strike
EMS Mortar is goated.
I feel like it would be really cool if the Spear had a bunch of settings that you could change: like the missile launch angle, enemy priority, etc.
Being able to switch between free fire and lock on would be great
With the Hulk. The second shot to me looked like it was shot out of the air and detonated early.
I've one shot them plenty of times on challenging.
The explosion afterward is so satisfying. 🔥 😂 Beautiful Democracy 😍
The spear aka Javelin is so much fun! You can snipe factorys with aswell
I've had the Spear consistently one shot enemies if it hits a weak point. ex. Bile and Charger heads, and heavy automaton heat vents. Main issue is secondary stuff such as rocket path, locking issues, and minimum range. A fun and solid weapon that can really clutch up when needed, or frustratingly let you down.
I never tried it out,so i will today.thx 4 the video👍🏼
My own using the spear has taught me that you need to be able to see the fabricator from foundation to roof on one face. So if it's wedged into a rock or cliff and you can see the corner of the bottom and the top of it, it's not going to lock. You need to be able to see the majority of a face of the fabricator and from the bottom to the top of it. But that's really the only use I use it for. Battles are way too fast paced for me to try to lock on to a hulk while dodging everything, run away to reload, and then get the lock again. Being able to deconstruct from a distance and not be there when they call for a drop and having them search for nothing is great as a solo player. It's even better if you mix in the mortar sentry because then they'll focus that thing that has indirect fire capability on them and keep getting smoked until it's destroyed or runs out of ammo.
I understand it having a hard time getting a target lock on super close enemies or when LOS is questionable, but when all there is between me and a charger that's 100m out is just a shrub or an icy flat, I should be able to get a lock in just a couple seconds. I fight the target lock multiple times just to get 1/3 locks I realistically should. Also, should be able to guarantee one shot bot drop ships. It's literally its original and primary function.
I wish there were guns in this game that exclusively required 2 people to use that whould actually have damage scaled to how risky it takes to set up and get ready to actually fire. Seems like a fun concept to me at the very least.
I tried using this thing but I refuse to because it's just a Railgun 0.5 as it stands. They need to do either of 2 things because fixing the abysmal lock on:
1. It needs a big damage increase to it consistently one shots everything
2. It need to be able to regain ammo from small ammo boxes around the map not just supply packs
One of those absolutely has to happen because as it stands, Railgun can just do better and it doesnt need a backpack.
Shit. Even the RR gets ammo from those packs.
@@RustedBuddy5192Getting ammo from pickups is all this would need to be good IMO. That and make supply drops give 2 rockets.
That would vastly change how many shots per game you could take.
I second the damage to one shot most things. But the lock-on HAVE to be consistent either way, like top priority.
They added number 2. It can now regain ammo from small ammo boxes!
Small ammo now recharges it with 1 round per box. I still think the lock-on needs help though.
The spear should have a prompt for cycling through targets once you have it locked and loaded. ADS, then be able to switch between targets without having to re-aim each time you want a different target. Dont know what button, but the developers can figure that shit out...
The lock on mechanism needs work. I'm surprised it didn't do the yellow pulse.
Is the lock on issues a feature or a bug?
off topic question but are u going to do a video on the new corrupt weapons in remnant 2? or are u not interested (honestly just want to see u do a build with each of them or atleast try to)
depends on how content goes with helldivers tbh. I'm mostly waiting for remnant 2 dlc 2
Spear vs Bots is very useful IMO.
Can kill some of the most annoying buildings, it's like having another reload stratagem.
Jammer = win, these are the biggest pain in the balls thing to play against.
Flyers = no aim needed, easy locks usually
Buildings
Usually one hits tanks as the turret is soft compared to the hull
Can one hit hulks in front of rear, multiple hits vs the sides
Also, now when you grab ammo off the ground, it refills x2 Spear Rounds.
I think the spear should be a one shot on hulks and tanks from any direction, because if it's not capable of doin that, it makes it less useful than impact nades
i really love the spear
but god do i wish they would fix the targeting or at least give some sort of tips on how it targets because ill do the same thing every time and it just fails to target and it feels so bad to use, but eh still my favorite support stratagem.
If your close enough your rockets 180 and hit the hulk back weak point or if he's facing away from you and you have decent distance.
I feel like the recoilless rifle is better than this for automaton 2 shots from recoilless kills hulks while spear doesn't oneshot seems better imo
Spear is better for termineds
Spear is genuinely the most impressive weapon I have seen across both Helldivers 1 and 2.
I have never seen such a genuine waste of space in my life. This thing is perfect for level 4 missions or full stealth runs. Better yet, it is the best weapon ever if you don't play the game at all really.
It is literally the single best support weapon in the game at the moment. 1 guy with a spear shuts down every single bile titan and a good few chargers.
Honestly I think the weapon would be great if they boost the damage a little bit so it's a guaranteed kill on everything, and fix the lock on of course.
HEY you can one shot chragers in the head with it, just make sure it's facing you and you have a clear shot and you can do it far away too!!
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Also if you shot the chrager in the rear or butt it will one shot with the spear
I love the spear but I love the arc thrower and jump pack more, sadly I can’t run both.
Once they fix the lock on this weapon will be seen a lot more of
why tf does his spear insta lock but mine decides to lock, unlock, lock unlock and take a hot minute just to fully lock xD if my spear locked like his i'd love the thing but it decides to try to lock and finally locks once a charger is point blank, hell it won't even lock a bile point blank lmfao
Its 90% where the rocket hits. It one shot the bile titans because it hit the head. Hulks visor is more central so the odds a spear hits there are low so something like a anti material rifle is more preferable against them. The spear killed the charger because it hit the head.
My biggest Spear gripe can't lock on to the Armored Bile Spewers (who shoot mortar from their ass) from Extreme and higher difficulty. The Spear is really a Bot destroyer for me
People kick over this weapon but they have no idea how good it actually is once you learn how to use it properly (having high ground, clear line of sight and so on)
the spear seems so cool but that lockon being so finicky makes it kinda mid and if you're too close it can fly right over anything moving even somewhat fast
Targeting the Speer is in my experience pretty inconsistent
Sometimes it’s barely not getting a lock on stationarie targets a.i robot fabricators to add to that the bots with the rocketpods aren’t considered worthy targets to lock on.
Overall it’s seems niche
Been trying to get used to the EAT that everyone is using. But trying to aim it perfectly and having to go back and grab the second one is so inconvenient and not to mention dangerous in some situations. After switching to the spear its like a night and day difference. I usually one hit and no aiming required. On the scientist rescue missions and defense this is so much better than eat and the orbital railgun. Last rescue game, everyone was using Eats and failing so miserably. Eats were literally litering the floor next to their bodies. Me and my spear mopped up every single bio titan. It locked in on them right when they spawned and put them down before they even had a chance to fully emerge. Had like 8 titan kills that game. Gota make sure you dont get over run with the smaller stuff if you are by yourself though since you cant use a rover.
I'm struggling with the spear because sometimes it just won't try to lock onto anything at all, then it will lock on 95% and give up
The spear can miss chargers if they are to close. The missile literally flies right over them.
It doesn't even lock on when I use spear.
I got a clear sight, and mid to long range but it's still works nothing.
It must buffed when aiming.
spears can one shot bot fabricators. ive blown fabricators up from over 200m away with it. i struggle getting a one shot vs a hulk, usually i have a buddy running quasar cannon though and the spear + the quasar cannon is literally a god tier combo. the spear is good vs tanks and bile titans too, and it can one shot the gunships (not the dropships, but the ones that spawn from the gunship fabricators)
New spear video soon after buff???
In my opinion (especially coming from first game) all of you are sleeping on the single use rockets, very very fast cool down has similar damage to other rockets ( one shots tanks in the grill) one shots atuomaton mortars and destroys the outposts as well, Imo if you're not using a railgun and you don't wanna depend on stratagems for armoured enemies it's a no-brainer. Just simple math in 480sec it takes for normal cooldown you could call down the single use almost 7 times (6.8 to be exact) and have 14 shots of anti tank.
Also allow to pepper thé Map with anti tank when things get hard and you pass throught again
Also you can stick the statagem grenade on chargers and the hell pod delivery will kill your target with pretty good reliability.
Right but I'd rather have 3 rocket eagles when I'm running from a horde of tanks and hulks instead of having to keep kiting them around where my EAT's dropped
I love the EAT, but sometimes it’s better for me to carry something with more utility. Still, until the Spear gets its locking system updated, I may have to fall back on the EAT for a while because this thing is still too jank for my tastes.
fix targeting and increase damage, that would make this weapon actually good and balanced. you should be able to kill drop ships with this like you can with the quasar and recoilles.
At 4:42 your counter for outpost’s destroyed increased so yeah, you did hit the far outpost.
The SPear should one shot the Hulk, for sure. You have to lock on and thats not often possible when they're up in your grill... which is all the time in defensive missions.
Needs a better lock system and damage buff vs armor - An amazing weapon i take it in EVERY drop!
My feel it takes long time to lock the target and sometime spear can’t lock. When I move around still can’t lock (turret) IDK why I just feel like it hard to use normal rocket more easy and I still have ammor 5 at my back
Autobot who carry missile can’t shoot by spear and difficult to shoot by Gun No.1 or we can use grenade for sure we have to stay close
I think spear should buff to fast lock target and DMG to Hulk should be 1 short. Tank and turret it ok for 2
the Spear can destroy strategem jammers if you can lock the attached building! honestly I prefer EAT-17s vs bugs bc you could strip charger legs in one shot and with the new patch just outright one shot them. Spear is excellent vs automatons if youre in a group, you just have one guy wreck cannons and bases from afar.
Spear can one-shot chargers to the head, and always has been able to. This can be very consistently set up by evading a charge and locking on as they slowly turn in place to start a second charge. It's usually not the best use of ammo, but with bile titans being less common now, I'm finding that I can shut down 80% of heavies on my own on a helldive.
It makes me feel professional.
Petition to redesignate it the FAFO-14
Um...no...i'm not bringing orbital laser for titans...i bring it to clear vast swats of smaller enemies AND because it's versatile enough to be also useful against the big enemies.
Also you failed to mention something that is a VERY important part of why (at least for me) the Spear is a bad pick - you can ONLY reload it by picking supplies from the stratagem, normal ammo does not reload it AND 1 pick of supplies, which is ofc 1 player share, gives you one single missile. So unless you are getting more than your share (thus depriving others of ammo) good luck reloading it.
Also last time i played with it (which was about a week ago so it might be fixed) i noticed that there is a bug with the Spear - even while everything but your Spear is at max ammo you CAN pick up ammo from the points of interest but since that doesn't restore Spear ammo it's basically a waster and you can continue picking them up until all are used up for no reason. Again - haven't tried it in a while - could be fixed already.
Spear ammo > other players primary ammo. Cry about it
Recoilless Rifle Ammo > Spear Ammo. RR is just more consistent, carries more ammo, and has a stepped reload so that you can interrupt parts of your reload while not having to start over from the beginning. Spear, once interrupted in its reload animation, has to start over from the beginning.
Thing is recoilless does better in certain situations than this one.
The dropships for the automatons is a 1 shot to the engine, 1 shot to blow off charger leg srmor.
Eat-17 will also down a drop ship in a single engine hit too.
eat-it 1 shots ships and 1 hit breaks charger legs too tho
Gotta rear shot automatons
It will one shot hulks and tanks if hit their vulnerable point. The missile will very rarely hit the hulk right in the eye from the front
You can one-shot a hulk if you get it on the heat sink on its back.
The hulk bruiser the spear will one shot but the hulk i think berserker the one with flamethrower will take two shots
Fom what what I have seen, the spear is less anti-heavy and more anti-superheavy and anti-building. It certainly has it's niche.
Well duh cuz its a high lvl weapon to unlock.
Its bugged, Wont lock on half the time even if you are in range and above what you're shooting at.
the lock on doesnt work for me, just stays yellow
honestly, give me the spear without the lock on and I think it'd be much better
Recoilless Rifle and Expendable Anti-Tank are essentially the same as a dumbfire Spear.
My spears have a hard time locking on, am I doing something wrong?
nope, lots of people are having the same problem
if u want 1 shot hulk. it face need to your direction. so the projectile will hit it face.
It would be so good if the lock on didn’t require prayer.
the spears targeting needs to be fixed and it needs to one shot chargers. Then its amazing.
no it shouldnt the spear isnt ment to be targeted against mid heavy enemies its made to kill very heavy enemys
each ammo box will give you a missle
that was a charger berzerker they have heavier armor than normal chargers
Nah, they have the same armor it just looks different
@@OhDoughoh they're the same? I thought they were different thanks for the info, keep up the good work, love the videos man!
The railgun one shots bile titans… I love the spear. Just what is that lock on? Why do I have to open channel five news to check if it’s raining over in Finlan. In order to be sure I’ll lock on.
Take any other weapon because it's finicky trash. Take EATs or Recoilless Rifle instead of essentially trolling your team with picking the Spear.
God if this shit would reliably lock on if like AT ALL during my missions I’d have it all the time but it comes down to whether or not the damn thing wants to cooperate today… straight dumpster 🚮
Eliminate Bile Titan missions are different stat wise from regular ones.
they aren't, I can 1 shot level 9 bile titans with spear and I can 1 shot lvl 5 bile titans with spear. misinformation in this game is at an all time high.
Recoilless rifle is way better
I was with you till you said Spear over Laser.
laser got buffed, spear also feels like it got worse with targeting somehow
Don’t use this weapon it is actually so bad you can’t get it to lock on to anything and when it does you’re already dead or it misses. Save ur req
4 shots.
Doesn't lock, doesn’t kill, misses all the time.
Absolute F tier trash.
railgun is better
o m g no way
Neither is better.
A spear and a railgun is better than 2 railguns. They excel at killing enemy's the other weapon struggles with.
Spear 1-hits bile titans, turrets, chargers and tanks.
Railgun 1-hits dreadnoughts, mediums, and is more efficient and bringing down small numbers of chargers.
They both kill the same enemies but together they both become super efficient at murder.
railgun is better because you can still use a backpack. spear you have to use its backpack otherwise you only have one shot. and having someone use the backup just takes backpack space from that person@@nimric3348
@@nimric3348 railgun can 1-3 hit bile titan if you shoot the weak spot and railgun has 20 bullets. I play spear because it's look cool but railgun is better if you shoot the right spot.
railgun and breaker should be nerf because It's much better than anything else.
@@frostdemolution419 rail gun still struggles into tanks and turrets. The spear is reliably kills any heavy in 1-2 shots a give a budy a supply pack stratagem and you got enough rockets to almost never run out.
Rail gun is more efficient at most points in the game but in those situations where 3+ heavys spawn the ability to set up and nova them all to death is extremely useful.
The spear gets you out of the toughest situations the fastest and that has alot of value.
It's clear that the devs do not have a "numbers guy" for the design part and no numbers pass was done on any of the weapons before release, as is typical these days since all we get is beta games for full price. The Spear should clearly one shot chargers and hulks and probably two shot titans and tanks, considering how expensive the ammo is and the fact that it's a top tier support weapon.
it does 1 shot titans, tanks have to be hit from the back apparently. Helldivers is $40 which is $20-30 cheaper than the standard full price of a game.
@@OhDoughHelldivers is 60 bucks with the cut content pressed into a premium battle pass.
By cut content you mean 3 uniforms, 4 guns, 1 booster and 1 grenade type that you can get by playing the game? That cut content? Doesnt seem cut to me if its in the game and accessible to everyone by playing.
Oh my bad also 1 submachine gun that blows through ammo and a unique armor that has the same passives as armor already in the warbond so its purely cosmetic
@@YourMothersMuffBoxYes, that is cut content.