Thermites are Insane Sometimes in Helldivers 2
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- Thermites are Insane Sometimes in Helldivers 2
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You are quickly becoming the only dude I watch for Helldiver stuff. No BS, actual testing footage, not up your own ass.... thank you.
thanks for watching
he's definitely the best imo as well!
Yep. Dude clearly actually plays the game and has taken the time to test/try basically everything. Refreshing. He’s my go-to as well.
Him and takibo might be the only people I watch for helldivers content.
Lol I watched ermz until...
Well yeah
Yall dont appreciate how many goddamn hours this man must of played the game to get perfect sample situations to show how this grenade works.
Hell i appreciate your work man
at least 1 hour for sure
Real-talk: Thermite is used to destroy ASSETS for the military. It burns at 2000 C. It's heat-dispersion is immense and drops by roughly 50% every foot. That said, it should NOT take 4 thermites for a tank if one can melt a 6 in hole through steel. Bugs should boil and pop under the pressure of their internal fluid rapidly expanding into gas. Bots (like the hulk) should be reduced to slag within four seconds.
Game talk: How does the IN UNIVERSE TOOL TIP say that THIS THERMITE burns 2000 C, but then perform like you are throwing boiling water onto someone? I get for game balance but going black (all expended) on grenades to kill something, or going red (at or below half) and using a supplemental weapon SHOULD NOT BE THE CASE. If a single stun grenade can effectively shut down a bot drop or patrol, a thermite should shut down a high-value target with ease. Hulks get stunned and lit up via autocannon, sniper, EAT, quasar. But then you switch to thermites and get less consistent results than an impact explosion. Really makes you wonder
well the way Thermite is used in game is pretty inefficient, primary penetrating/melting power of the termite grenade goes from top to bottom due to direct contact with the mixture, heat transfer to the side is vastly inferior unless in confined space.
effect of the grenade itself is also pretty localized.
Still it should do a lot of harm if you land it on the top of the target, dealing far less on the flat side and next to nothing at the bottom (in fairness grenade should just fell off, as thing holding grenade to the target would just melt off)
Entire design of the grenade is just strange, as actual anti tank sticky grenades either use sticky squash head or are attached directly HEAT warheads.
especially given the in game Thermite grenade somehow explodes after burning up completely, with would imply the was core somehow survived baking in the highest temperature
As a Combat Engineer myself, when I heard we were getting Thermite i was salivating at the fact I can role-play even more effectively as one. Man, was i disappointed. I still like to use them for special bot structures and enemies. With the engineering kit, you can get quite an impressive sparkler display, with the same amount of destructive force as our real-life sparklers. I wasn't even expecting them to kill enemies outright, but given the description, I was expecting that it would burn holes through heavy armor. I still have my Carl Gustaf to fulfill my engineer needs for now.
Probably just another tool of theirs that has inefficient engineering behind it. But at least it's not as inefficient as the sentries, as the upgrades that improve ammo capacity, durability, and turning speed are literally just attributed to "hey, we just applied super glue, packing peanuts instead of springs, and some extra lubricant". So they're basically going from being cheap at construction to....being slightly less cheap, really.
It's either that, or they make a bold claim without it actually being the case, much like how they say democracy can guide your aim 'n other stuff.
Exactly how I feel. Thermite should melt straight through a Hulk. It might take a while, but it should do it.
Yes, in theory, but not know what is metal that use and how work fluids of terminidi (can survive in other planets with 0 problems)
However i want only that more little damage explosion and i know happy.
Man I hope they fix that DOT bug next patch
I was super confused when bugs walk through my gas strike like nothing while it was massacring bug breaches just last game. Realized the bug was still not fixed.
Very unlikely. Devs have said it's a really deeply rooted issue and will take a metric shit ton of work to fix.
devs delayed the patch and even said that they're still cooking so its possible
I really love the gas strike. It's so strong when it works. I love damage over time stuff.
Dot bug breaks the game for half the items. It's a sad over look that didn't get fixed before release
Idea: When a thermite grenade is stuck on an armored enemy, it burns so hot that it melts the armor there into a softened state, allowing all other weapons to piece and deal full damage.
This would actually be pretty cool.
That's what I interpreted when I read the description. However i guess that wasn't part of their plan
That would require a great deal of armour overhauling. Not many enemies actually have divisions in their armour that can be broken separately.
@@45calGunslinger Might just be easier to apply it like as a thermite debuff, if debuff true, armor stage -1
@@45calGunslinger not really tbh just make it too where after 1 too 2 thermites the armor is jus gone completely no matter the health of the armor
Seeing how they MASSIVELY buffed flame weapons, makes me wonder why the railgun can't be good at something still.
es ist verboten
Railgun was wrongly convicted
Agreed ^^^
Because the Railgun is "braindead gameplay" according to one Arrowhead dev🤓🤡🤡🤡
Lol Yeah, there was a lot going on at the time. Especially with the people that didn't know what the railgun was all about and simply saw the PS5 bug. OhDough explains it great in his "The Worst Support Weapon" video. It could definitely use some love again. I love rail anything Lol
2 Thermite grenades in the same spot should be able to blow up a charger armor so you can finish them with your main weapon, that would make the grenade way more satisfying to use
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they're insane at driving me insane 😭
trueee, only good on tanks since it's hard to miss. on anything else there's a 50/50 they bounce off
My two favourite helldivers youtubers lol.
0:23 I stopped breathing for a moment 😅
IMO still not worth taking.
If it killed a charger consistently then it could be good.
But right now using EAT and taking stun grenades is still better.
Yeah that's the issue I'd rather use stuns to deal with anything that isn't a bile titan, tanks, factory striders or towers and the most common stratagems are literally perfect to deal with those four anyway, so I'd rather have utility (stun) or good quick damage (impact and post buff fire grenades against bugs)
@2:20 I saw a video recently where the entire comment section was basically "The devs need to stop shadow buffing the enemies (Bile Titans). Them doing this and their lack of communication is killing this game" and it threw me into fits. The echo chamber of misinformation in this community is one of the wildest ones I've ever seen.
They nerfed Bile Titans and Chargers but there's a conspiracy that they've done the opposite. Fantastic 😂
Can you really blame people though? The damage is so inconsistent sometimes its bo wonder so many are so confused.
Well, they silently changing pretty important aspects of the game every patch, so people have every reason to believe this
Hold up... It did only take 2 well placed at shots to kill a Titan. I only play with friends and on px with cross play off. What am I missing?
lmao its because they did dumbass. You can no longer 2 shot biles head with the quasar.
Guy is literally doing best tests from all youtubers! You are the best!
Agreed
Am I missing something or doesn't this effectively make it a worse impact grenade? Good impact nades will instantly kill Devastators in a single hit, tanks in two, and wipes packs of Berserkers. It seemingly can't manage Hulks and I've not tried tank turrets, but I'm not sure if the tradeoff is worth turning a the "instant kill, work on something else" button into "15 second kill, pray you don't get killed during that". Maybe if one burned a hole in Hulk armor that allowed medium pen weapons to work it'd rock, but this just feels like a downgrade to my understanding.
Oh I did miss something - the Striders changes things 😁
Impact grenade explosive damage can't penetrate medium-heavy armor while thermite can. You can throw 20 impacts into hulk face and it will be fine. However just 2 impacts will be enough to blow up tank if you aim at the went. With thermite seems like both DOT and explosive can go through any armor the damage numbers aren't even remotely good however. it's pretty much "Yo i hear you looking for the worst possible way to deal with heavies? Gotcha pal"
impacts don't kill tanks from the front unless it's the gattling tank. thermites taking 1 nade and being a side shot is a big deal. thermites killing tank towers in 1 use is also a big deal. they're niche but useful based on build and real close to being a solid pick with slight changes
@@Steir12 I was under the impression that thermite nades shred armor, making the point of the video (combine thermite and primary/support for fast kills on armored targets)
@@stev3258 Nope, no such effect currently exists, the closet you get is the structure damage on Chargers, Bile Titans, and Factory Striders. Rather the point of the video was to show that the DoT Bug heavily impacts the power of Thermites.
2:22 what is somewhat new is that they made it so bile titans take way less damage to the face during the acid spit, basically their "face" moves behind the forehead armor, making weapons deal regular body damage.
This was introduced to make bile titans less likely to KO themselves with splash damage from acid if they hit a surface close to the head, which inadvertedly nerfed their main counters.
Now you have to wait for titan to stop puking in order to deal full damage.
Thermite grenade is another one of those weapons that are good when they work, but only when they work
which weapons are good when they dont work?
equipment being effective in combination is a good thing, setting up a one shot on big threats is great. I just wish it was more reliable, and maybe when the not-hosting bug is fixed it'll be more generally effective
1 like for the Behemoth Charger Charger Behemoth..
I STILL havent seen one of these things in my games
@@tylersmith9942 i've only ever seen them as static guards (pre-spawned at objectives very occasionally on high difficulties) or in the 'eliminate charger' missions at difficulty 3 (?). I have never seen one spawn from a breach or patrol.
Cookin 'em like Goulash in the crock pot - SLOW AND STEADY!! 😆🤣
im dead. You're a word smith Dough, dont let anyone say different. Also, good vid :)
Reminding people to eat while gaming and giving them your go-to meal..... clever clever!
"you can cook them in your hand, They can cook you, it will be great."
Love the subtle increase to food and nutrition content 😂 20 more vids until we get a livestream cooking episode. Y’all want leaks?? We know the recipe gonna include 2 lb ground beef, diced tomato, and beef broth. Probably gonna wash down with a strawberry protein smoothie.
Fantastic effort on the weapon test. Keep it up. Subbed.
These tips have kept me alive in Helldive difficulty. Godspeed, soldier.
Most important feature of the thermite grenades: with the infinite grenade glitch they turn in to a fireworks show. Also works even better if you can stick them to Shriekers.
Mr. Dough may I request your thoughts or even a video on a comparison of the 500kg vs the Orbital Precision Strike? Showing the pros and cons of each?
What buildings dose the OPS distroy that the 500kg don't?
What hostiles dose the 500kg kill that the OPS don't?
Cool downs? How long from ball toss to explosion?
Other comparable facts?
that would be interesting as i feel like i get more consistent one shots on biletitans, but that could be coincidence
Its actually fascinating to learn that (as a host) Thermites allows Arc Thrower/Flamethrower users to kill Bile Titans in a acceptable time frame 👍i would still bring EAT-17 whenever i pick those just to have a long range objective killing option.
imagine doing cooking video reactions using Helldivers 2 lingo and narrating it like a UFC commentary.
Survivor skillz
Hulk Devastator still seems to be very tricky (even with stun grenades and AMR that can basically headshot them), as they can recover very quickly from stun and then headshot you. I guess I'm now going to throw thermites instead.
On a side note, I wonder when they will fix the bug where your fire DOT does next to nothing if you are not host.
So I guess you can only ever have 1/4 teammates running a full fire build.
happy to see a guide for thermite, I wanted to use it but couldn't figure out how they were best used.
That Pelican O1 though. Now that’s the quality content I subscribe for 😂
Brother i came to comment to tell you are the best HD2 content creator cause you don't bs us and actually test shit.
Very much appreciated it bro.
You are by far the most level headed helldivers content creator I’ve seen. States the facts, straight up says if changes are good or bad, and doesn’t take the game too seriously. Hope you go far brother.
Thermites have been my normal grenade for a bit. Liked how well they deal with certain automaton related stuff
Always good content. Thanks for everything Helldiver. 😎🙏
Geez this testing must have taken some time to complete! Thank you for educating us lol
Thermites feel due for a fix of some kind if only because the anti-armor properties of them feel inconsistent at best and broken at worst. I get to at least be thankful to have an excuse to use them since they suit a slower playstyle pretty well.
Ok now i’m definitely cawing the next time i do dumbbell flies
0:27 LET HIM COOK. LET HIM COOK.
Monumental yaps. I especially liked the crock pot arc. It really brought the narrative together. I cried twice.
can I just say I love how often your uploading
Love you dough your videos are always bangers
So Im hearing that Solo-mode is the only way to have the game working as intended.
Appreciate the thorough testing, and I really want to like Thermite Grenades but I've not seen many good things about it. All but save for a few of these scenarios, I do not mind NOT having them and still be able to deal with the situations while keeping my Impacts for instant effect. It is nice that you can just set it and forget it while it does its thing, but beyond that I honestly cannot see myself using these over other grenades.
So from what I would summarize this, the thermite helps "melt the armor away" so your Anti tank can be more effective c:
2:25 As of the latest patch at least, Bile Titans will take less damage to their face during the spitting animation. That is likely what people are encountering and complaining about (without realizing the exact reason why they are doing less).
I really want to thank you for the actual gameplay footage while explaining stuff.
“I don’t get paid enough…” 😂 - Sub for you, solid information too
Impact nades do work on a bile titan that has it's side destroyed by a railcannon though I don't quite recall the number, maybe 2-3
These host bugs really need to be sorted out. As fun as a lot of these things look, I'm not spinning the wheel with a 75% chance to be useless.
If the thermite grenade gets a twrak and a buff, I think it'll still be situational, but more widely so.
Thanks for the video OhDough, wasn't going to get the thermites based on player talk, till I watched your video. Bought and ran them solo and had so much fun killing big things with them (over in bug world). Not a S tier weapon, but definitely a fun weapon to use.
Makes me want to bring a recoiless. Trying anything hut the autocannon since I have used it too much.
Or eats thermite resup pack
Reddit told me about you Citizen ohdough, you did not disappoint democracy.
Is it possible thermites' do some kind of heat damage like having a laser cannon concentrated on that spot?
I've seen some enemies die before the explosion. Especially with two or more. Heat damage seems like a possibility to me.
Is there some sort of hidden mechanic where receiving damage from 2 or more different sources at the same time multiplies?...
There seems to be a heat related mechanic where after receiving a certain amount of combined heat damage over time bugs catch fire and take some additional damage - not a multiplier exactly but definitely additional damage
Kinda makes me think of Deep Rock Galactic, in how certain enemies had a specific heat threshold you had to reach before it could apply a true DoT 'n set them on fire. Except in this case, it seems to be specifically for tanks.
I’ve been playing on Helldive for the last 2 days and never seen that new charger variant. Is it only on lower levels?
Impact grenades kill turrets in 2 and tanks near the weak spot in 2. Devastators is 1-2
9:00 It takes two impact grenades, videos informative keep up the great work. 👍
Also thermites since they are supposedly deteriorating armour you should do more damage AFTER the grenade has finished it’s effect and explosion theoretically; but usually in a pinch there is no time to wait for that.
Honestly, forget the damage I'd love to see the Thermite grenade made into a different kind of support nade like Stun or Smoke grenades. Just an alternative anti-armor thing. Just lower the AV of the target over time allowing weaker weapons to damage it. Then it'd actually be a really solid pick over stun grenades instead of competing with impacts which also just have way more utility regardless of damage (clearing crowds quickly for example).
even without the bug in effect, it's really hard for me to let go of my impacts for it in bot missions. There's too many times where it's been a great panic button for a group of striders or devastators closing in on me. I could see the utility of them if they were a suitable substitute for an anti-tank support weapon, allowing for more varied choices in support weapons ie stalwart.
Is there an extension or mod tool or something that will let me see damage numbers? I don't know why they don't just let us enable damage numbers... it would make the game so much better.
Thermite should be our antitank grenade the first part of dmg sure make the heavy units immune but when that thermite kicks in ALL tank or high armour units take massive dmg
How much longer do we need to live in a world where only the hosts can do dmg with half of the weapons in the game...
In conclusion, Thermites are almost strictly worse then impact except when you want to kill a cannon tower from the front or excel at throwing them at bile titan foreheads.
but you didn't show what the effect is against weak points on chargers or titans.. hitting a charger in the tail or running beneath a titan and hitting the belly of the beast with a thermite... how much damage does that do? also. can thermites be placed on the ground and the spark be used as a dmg point?
I feel scientifically thetmites should be the strongest as they get upto 3000 degrees and melt through anything with the chemical reaction. The accurate way in game would be it sinking into the enemies bodies, exploding them from inside.
theoretically yes, practically their damage is very localized and focused in top down path of the melted mixture, if stuck to the side effect would be far smaller (assuming the spikes holding the grenade to the target wouldn't just melt off before target has been breached) and to the bottom it should just fell off
its the reason why they're used as demolition tool and not in actual combat, beside being added for some incendiary bombs due to it ability to ignite more resistant materials
i follow you since dauntless. you remain THE BEST!
Can the flamethrower kill bile titans at all? maybe combined with thermite?
It be cool if we had a detonation button we could press and they just need to be buffed to be a every mission carry choice
The fact that thermites can only ever really work on one target, you'd think they'd at least do a lot of single target damage. But impact grenades can do the same job with instant damage, *and* can take out multiple targets at once. I think of these like impact axes in Deep Rock Galactic: they do a lot of single-target damage (with a tiny AoE, too, for taking out multiple chaff enemies) and you get twice as many impact axes as you do most other grenades (you start with 8 in DRG, whereas you normally have 4 when using other grenades), in order to make up for the fact that you can only really hit one target with each one. You can also throw them really fast to do a boatload of nurst damage.
Meanwhile, what does thermite do uniquely that no other grenade can at least match, while also providing other utility?
if we got 8 and then 12 from wearing the armor that would make them pretty good overall
Impact axes are the best grenades in DRG and it's not even close. Nowhere near balanced
@@mrROAR104 I imagine you're basing that on axe cancelling to kill things like frozen oppressors in less than a second, in which case I still don't think they're the best bar none, simply because it's accomplishing something that other grenades aren't trying to do. I also disagree that they're nowhere near balanced, but this isn't really the venue for that discussion.
The reason common consensus for thermites is they're shit is due almost entirely to the stupid DoT bug. Also because most people are absolutely atrociously bad shots in the game, and thats with bullets traveling hundreds of meters per second- and not slow ass, arcing grenades. Its a very narrow hitbox, you *have* to hit the weakpoint with it or it won't really do very much even if you are the network host.
If the dot bug exists, the weapon isn't worth using. I don't get why the community consensus should be anything else
Can’t wait for the devs to fix the issues
This nade would be my go to
Fire damage and fire DOT are two separate things. I've been discussing the fire DOT changes that will need to be made to the flamethrower after the fix happens with someone on Reddit, and they were confused when I said that napalm SEAF, napalm eagle, incendiary grenades, and incendiary mines needed to retain their fire buffs. They were thinking fire damage was straight fire damage. They kindly went and tested to see if flamethrowers actually did anything when not the host and sure enough they are capable of killing things. So fire damage and fire DOT are different and counted differently. How so, I'm not sure. Arrowhead never releases stats on those things.
I'm also going to swoop in here with the technical term because being a treadhead, it's killing me hearing you say, "Other tank body part thing." It's called a hull. You can blame the British for that. The first tanks to be created was in Britain and was them correlating efforts with their navy to keep it covert for a while. That's why in tanks with a machine gun sticking out of the front of it, that's called a "hull mounted machine gun," and the assistant driver who's firing it is also termed as the "bow gunner." Tanks are weird in that they use a hybrid nautical and land based vernacular. There's the turret mounted on the "hull" with a "bow" and "stern". There isn't port and starboard, but they never call it the body of the tank. The "hull" of the tank sits on a chassis, but the chassis is not the "hull." really weird stuff, but just for next time you need to sound like you know what you're talking about; there's the turret with the gun and then the hull with everything else.
Dough Ramsay... so much talent❤
I'm fine with them taking a few seconds to explode if they're good for killing tanks. We have grenade pistols for when we need things to go boom right now. Just make their damage and the sticks consistent.
Question for tanks. You said two on side then like 2 shots of Q cannon. Could that work with two thermites and eruptor shots? I have build for thermites after watching your build and love it. It's my favorite way to play
2 thermites on the side and 1 anti-tank. it's just a math equation of sorts but it's kinda hard to get precise numbers without testing. afaik eruptor doesn't have high enough pen to damage the side of a tank. it can get the very back of it and the back of the tank turret.
@@OhDough when you day back you mean weak point on cannon or just in its back?
I usually use 1 thermite on tank heatsink to kill
Once the host bug is fixed, Flamethrower + thermite squad will be so much fun for bugs
I think the thermite needs to weaken the armor rating of the area it lands on in order to make sense. It's just feels like lost utility compared to the other throwables but one of the coolest concepts.
Here's a thought: Some turrets get one-shot (Fact strider turret has 900hp). I think it's because they're their own entity and so take fire damage, while if you target the head of a bile titan or charger that's not the main body so it doesn't get lit on fire. Not sure what would be considered main body for these. There's so many hit boxes involved. Hulks main body is actually their main body, but flamer hulks are immune to fire. On tanks if you're going for the body, try not to hit the tracks.
TBH all bodyparts ought to take fire damage.
Wonder if it helps laser cannon able to kill titans and chargers. And flamethrower help kill titans
Yeah two impact grenades also shred a tank from behind though (I think it's 2 not 3), it's also immediate
I think thermites should be like a support weapon that melts armor, making it easier/possible to damage an armored fascist in the spot which is being melted with small arms
I'd rather not waste the nade slot for "debuffing" I'd rather have impacts for general purpose since they can also kill some armored enemies or stun as support, they are still useless.
Socialist*
Are we supposed to shoot the place we throw the grenade at? Like... Does the burning nullify its armor rating there? Cuz then it makes sense that they burn for so long
Only lad that understands what the audience actually wants to see. And consistently funny too. I hope they buff the railcannon just for you 👌
I use only thermite grenades. They're amazing. I think more people would use them if they knew how.
4:00 that's what they do with humans
Ah yes the nades that make your enemies look badass.
I can stick these to a grunt trooper and the longest coolest grenade fire and explosive animation will happen and the bot will take zero damage and look like a red eyed demon coming out of the explosion unharmed. 😂
Then it will randomly 1 shot a tank….
It is weird that the bile titan's weakspot is the forehead and not the jaw. Y'know, its called exo-skeleton for a reason.
Consistency is mostly the defining parameter that drags stuff to either S or Trash Tier. Afaic Thermites will unfortunately stay in Trash Tier unless they receive a substantial buff.
Anyway, thank you for your entertaining videos! You're steadily becoming my #1 most watched Helldivers youtuber 😁
Do you have the ship upgrade that increases your fire damage?
This would alter how many thermites you'd need
I do
@@OhDough time to redo this video lmao, fire damage jsut got a global nerf by -15% damage
I swear the jaw used to be the weakpoint on a Titan’s head. That’s where I’ve always aimed since I got used to 2 shotting them there with a railgun
I used the infinite grenade glitch and spammed the hell out of hulks devastators and tanks and even though I was host it seemed like it couldn't kill anything. Had legitblike 10+ on a tank and nothing
Thermites are INSANE!!!!!
sometimes
in Helldivers 2
The variable usefulness of thermites is insane to me. Like they are crazy inconsistent
honestly, the only scenario i see myself considering using thermite is if it simply didn't blow up, just stay there dealing the same dmg until the thing die
how many thermites to kill a gun ship?
Arrowhead says: Hold my beer while I nerf the thermite nade to uselessness.
2 nades on a bile titan sounds amazing, but you have to get into very dangerous range of them, opposed to support weapons, most of which hit reliably from safe distances.
The refill rate from supply packs is also pretty bad, especially with a team.
Going with thermite, instead of e.g. stun or impact means that you don't have a safety option for tight situations, that take out a lot of bugs in a short amount of time.
I feel like the way support weapons, granades and encounters are balanced, most other granades are just more useful.
For thermite grenades, Would it be better if they exploded first as opposed to burning first?
it should focus on one, else you're just wasting space in grenade
the thermite mixture generates and transfers the heat to material most efficiently and it travels in top to bottom path, spreading it around would just make cool-off quicker, which is less than ideal when you're trying to melt through something.
also somehow explosives being able to survive entire burn duration in the hottest part of grenade.
only time when thermite is used in explosives is for incendiary mixes due to its ability to ignite sturdier materials.