What SPR Gear I used for the Ridgeline Course
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- Got a lot of questions about gear breakdown from the Ridgeline Course so here's a quick look at what I ran and why.
0:00 Intro
0:20 Rifle
2:45 Optic
3:29 Optic Mount
7:42 Bipods
9:22 Rear bag
10:22 Sling
11:13 Muzzle device
11:20 Trigger
11:26 Ammo
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12.5 with floppy brace for SPR class
Jim: Legally, it’s questionable. Morally,it’s disgusting. Personally, I like it.
This might be one of my favorite comments ever
@@jimmybrodriguez Really great call taking the 12.5 - this made the video doubly interesting.
Lol. AFT is gonna be very upset.
Lmao
@@jimmybrodriguez this is seriously ONE OF THE GREATEST COMMENTS I HAVE E EVER SEEN ON YOUR CHANNEL
One hundred concepts is an awesome group of guys. So glad to see their name getting all over social media
Yup solid dudes, hoping to link up with them in the future
Former USMC PMI here…the ACOG is money but even with the perfect barrel length and ammo, the BDC is something you need to fine tune.
When I really got into shooting handguns and got into shooting competition and long range it forced me to get into handloading because I couldn't get what I wanted out of factory ammo unless I spent a fortune. Now I have 3 Dillion progressive presses, a turret press, and a couple single stage presses all setup along with the everything I need to walk into my reloading room and can start cranking out whatever ammo I want. It's not as cheap to get into it today as it was when I started and even then I went into it with the buy once cry once mentality and just started adding to it over the year but it's still a really good option if you want the best ammo you get because you can fine tune a load for your guns and that's something you can't do with factory ammo. Really cool rifle setup and great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
Thanks for the info about BDC's. You saved me some money and headaches. Looking forward to the SPR build vid(s).
Great content...love these videos. Thank You!
Great video Jim. Ammo is important. I am building a 16in "spr" style right now with the idea of running 72-77g ammo. Just finding the ammo in stock is proving to be hard. Keep up the good work.
Freedom Munitions 77gr OTM match. They have 5.56 and .223 variants. I have used the match stuff (sub $1/round), but also used their reman 77 gr OTM as practice, really didn't need to have another hold, they were pretty consistent.
YES! I've been saying the same about BDCs for years and why I've always stayed away from them.
One of your best vids.
Appreciate it🤘🏼
Bravo sur. Another great video. Looking forward to the SPR build video!
🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Great vid! Thanks.
All about that “goon life green”
The Thunder Beast Arms is what you should checkout. Deploys like Harris, doesn't pan, can position legs at 45 degrees, can easily add leg extensions or other feet. Built like a tank.
The ammo info will save me hours in research.
I too just built an spr, I am interested in what you landed on.
I don’t use any one hundred concept stuff, I discovered them 5ish months ago and they honestly did a breakdown between a sealed vortex defender cap and their caps on lights. Even tho it’s their competition, they were still honest in the pro con. They earned my full respect that day. I recommend there stuff from time to time when it’s right.
Anything Noveske is a tack driver so you’re 12.5” Noveske makes sense. I want that Noveske windbreaker!
Wondering when your gonna take the ridgeline class. I am gonna be taking another and would love to see you up there
I’ll be at a couple
Nice Video! Texas Proud 🤘🏼
12.5 for life
Informative. Also the intro song is great, what's it from?
What Harris adapter are you using to attach it to the picatinny? Can’t wait to see your proper SPR build. I’m using an 18” LaRue Stealth on mine with great results.
Not sure who makes the adapter but I snagged it off eurooptic
Atlas makes the CAL version that doesnt have the pan feature
Any links to videos where y’all discuss velocity differences in depth? I run a 13.7” and am interested in differences between that and 12.5” or 14.5”
Which Harris bipod did he recommend? With which mount? Thanks! Love the content lately. Always interesting, but lately very informative.
I've taken 2 Ridgeline classes. Alex likes the Badger Ordnance modified Harris bipod. This is from Midway USA's listing of it for Mlok attachment --- "The Badger Ordnance Low Profile Bipod Kit comes with a specially modified Harris BRM-S 6"-9" bipod along with a LPHM MLOK mount. The leg extension buttons have been moved to the inside where they can't be accidentally hit when using the bipod as a barricade block."
What was already said here. They are a bit hard to find so you may have to piece one together
Heads up bro, I ran some 77gr AAC (PSA's ammo company) it was fire. Only got to test about 100 rounds but super consistent. Very close to mk262. Try it out! I think I had like 87 CPR after tax and shipping in it
looks like their 77gr is 75 cents/rd and their 75gr is 60 cents/rd right now
Excellent, got some for black friday deal!
Check out the Hornady Frontier match offerings in 5.56, hot with low sd and much lower priced than the 77 gr smk’s offerings, the 68 or 75’s work well in my 18”.
Everyone says they are hit or miss but my builds dig the 75gr
I tried the frontier, didn’t like it all. Didn’t group well in any of the guns I ran it through and velocity was inconsistent
I've had success with the 62gr spire points in a 14.5 FN barrel out to 400 yards. The 75's have not been very impressive.
@@atox4957 mine have averaged 2750 fps average with an sd of 12-15 the few times I have chrono’d them.
From my experience, the harris works great for when you are down in position, I hate how it has springs and pins and pegs sticking out everywhere and it constantly hangs up on packs and gear. If i do invest in another bipod, it will be an atlad or something of a similar, streamlined design.
Showing up to a Precision class with crap ammo would blow my mind.
What Model of the Harris bipod are you going to use?
Can you do a Video on "What is SPR?" Your 4 videos on this discipline is the first time I have ever herd of this acronym. Also how does it differ from DMR?
Good video. Why didn’t you use the Eotech Vudu 1-8x
I prefer the reticle, glass and illumination of the atacr
Are you running the 12.5 in stainless or chf? I really really hope noveske offers chf 12.5 Leonidas in mid
12.5 gang hell yeah
We need a link to the riser
Is there any ballistic advantage swapping to mid-length GS from carbine? Or simply softer recoil impulse? Have adm uic mod 2 12.5 and have considered doing the same.
Far as I know the length of your gas system only affects things like reliability and recoil, plus it's a factor with running suppressors.
What sort of muzzle velocity with what ammo are you getting out of that 12.5 Noveske?
Didn't know you could run a riser on a brace!
Amen on BDC being more annoying than good and Amen on IMI 77. Yes can shoot about 1moa but I know past 350yards I can make hits. For the price is great just hope this video doesn’t make everyone run to midway USA and take my stock pile lol
Ok well I didn’t mention midway so now they’re all gonna know lol
Atlas Cal model doesn't have the pan feature, just the tilt and of course height.
Yeah but it’s a little wide for this style of gun
Can you give a breakdown of what gear Alex ran?
Would have been dope if you actually listed/linked the gear that you were speaking about in this video in the description for this video. Just my two cents
Yeah I got turned off from Harris bipods after I had one on a bolt gun, just fucking around one day and pulled one of the legs down and the only weld on the entire bipod broke. I will say their customer service is great though, talked to them and shipped the broken one and they sent me a brand new one right away.
12.5” 13.9” with mid gas are the perfect length for a 223/5.56 although my spr is a 16” but it’s not a 5.56 either though lol it’s a 16” 6.5 Grendel
This series has been really helpful because I'm putting together an spr build. I'm stuck picking out an optic and barrel. I'm leaning towards a v7 match barrel or a noveske lightweight barrel. For an optic, I'm looking at a leupold mark 5 3-18. If anyone has any insight I would appreciate your thoughts
A Criterion core would be pretty high on my short list of barrels.
@DirrtyB If they had them in stock it would be a no Brainer. I reached out to criterion and they said it was a 6 month back order on 18 inch core barrels
@@jeff1485 ya... took about 4 months for mine, that being said it was worth the wait.
Mark 5 3-18 works great. Alex recommended.
@Jeff The heart of the SPR is the barrel. They chose 18” stainless for a reason, so lightweight barrels aren’t really part of the mix (although have other values). I use Douglas from Compass Lake 1/7 with Wylde chamber and love it. Many modern builders use a Geissele SSA trigger but I find them creepy and non crisp, and currently use AR Gold which is excellent. Glass should be the best you can afford, but is expensive as you know. The original glass was in the 3-10 range. I currently use a Leupold but will eventually move up to something better.
What was the teachers setup list? I wanna know more about the rifle he had
SPR Setup with Ridgeline Defense
th-cam.com/video/UsV1L4lGjrs/w-d-xo.html
What’s wrong with Atlas bi-pods? Great kit in my opinion.
Weak.
The only BDCs worth a damn are Trijicon, and PA, but you have to still run the exact ammo it needs.
What round are you using? I like those heavier Frontier rounds with the Hornady bullets all of the sudden....Hitting targets is one thing but terminal ballistics does count. I know its an SPR class but did you ever just think maybe a Bergara B-14 "ridgeline" in 6.5 creed would just be better suited , lol. Kidding , not being a turd, I really like the channel man
The round I’m using is in the video
@@jimmybrodriguez Missed it i guess
I’ve been impressed with the 12.5” however compared to a mk12 with 77” clocking close to 2800ft/sec it’s on a different level but you pay for it in weight and handling when not in prone.
Trade offs, there is no perfect setup otherwise we’d all be running that. However, I‘ve found the added weight of the longer guns also aid in stabilizing the gun in different positions
@@jimmybrodriguez brl length - velocity relationship is straight forward enough but I can't find anything on gas system relationships... Is it as direct as rifle length smoothest, carbine punchiest? Did the 12.5 accuracy indicate barrel whip on longer barrels may be more of a factor than previously thought?
Yes, but it’s a balance because you also have to balance reliability. So gas length and port size are important when deciding which to get. I would personally prioritize reliability and accuracy over “smoothness.” Not every company has put in the time to figure out the proper port sizes.
@@jimmybrodriguez so your response's been bouncing around my head past few days as I figure out what barrel I want to burn my BF savings on... A relationship that started to appear, since I don't see the port size listed, is the relative distance from gas port to end of barrel. Seems like barrels reported as highly reliable have gas blocks near to end of barrel while "smooth shooters" appear further from end. For example, the BA Hanson profile places the gas block basically mid-way on the barrel. Ignoring alloy composition for now, with this heuristic for max reliability on a rifle length gas I'd want to go 18" and just hoping the gas port size is good, see any problems with that thinking?
@@jimmybrodriguez I rewatched several of your videos, especially with bruiser, to avoid asking you to repeat yourself on anything. If it's already been addressed I'd gladly use that reference
If ur worried about 50 fps at 700 yds he should shhot a 20 in m16.everything is relative, depends on the mission. Id rather have the 12.5 and and be able to do cqb and reach out and touch someone.
You said the instructor did not like the Atlas bipod. Is it because it is not quick deploying, can you give more context on that?I love both my Altas and Harris, my only complaint is the Atlas you have to move both arms separately. EDIT: I guess I should watch before commenting :)
What you said
You have to move both separately
I think this is the instructor that showed they tie 550 cord to the legs and pull it in one motion when going prone.
Just curious, I run a 16" for this purpose, I'm usually getting about 2675fps, If I go up to a 20" I pick up about 175FPS at the muzzle with the same ammo (69gr SMK). What kind of velocity are you actually getting from the 12.5"?
Why is velocity so low? Heavy ammo like 77 grain rounds?
th-cam.com/video/ykn916Xnmt4/w-d-xo.html
We have all our data from various barrel lengths in this video, but 12.5 is getting 2450-2550ish depending on the day with about a 50fps spread.
@@jimmybrodriguez Yea, sounds about right. I've seen people make hits at 500 with a 10.5, but that's like .22LR energy at the target. Certainly enough to ruin your day. JBM listed final velocity just about the sound barrier.
First, I can't believe all those other shooters brought their nice SPRs and were launching garbage rounds. That just seems like a strange call. You spend all that money on the rifle, the course and travel arrangements to be frustrated all day? Why? Second, you are absolutely correct in saying BDC reticles are garbage. I say that even if you can adjust it for your barrel and ammo. Nice video on the layout. I'm really interested in your SPR build. Will it have a dedicated can? And how did the course view using suppressors on DMR/SPR-type rifles?
Well some of them didn’t get there ammo shipped to the course in time. Others had to use department issued ammo and PDs don’t exactly shell out the good stuff all the time. They like suppressors for reduced recoil impulse and reduced signature.
@@jimmybrodriguez Oh. I thought in training classes, most police officers could bring whatever they want, but I guess they would have to pay for it then? In any case, that's super unfortunate. That class seems like you'd get more out it with proper gear. I could be wrong though.
I’m sure they could but yes paying out of pocket gets expensive quick
Cool video, all gear I can't afford.
On BDC: From 0 to 300 on 10” steel w/ M855 or M193, your BDC is fine regardless of barrel. Don’t get a new optic. Spend that money tightening up the loose nut behind the stock. If you want to shoot beyond 300m you’re probably not the guy with a BDC. And if you are, you’re probably either shooting a dedicated CQB setup, or something that’s a little more budget friendly. In either case, it’s probably time to consider adding a new gun to the family.
You can make these same hits with that ammo with a reddot. Some people zero their red dots at 300 for this reason.
Several Noveskes on the shelf at my LGS. Beautiful rifles, action is so buttery smooth. But man are they expensive - all of them have sat for several months now. Kinda hope they don’t become the new hype where normal dudes decide they need to spend $3k+ on a rifle.
Put up a link for them I’m sure someone will buy them up quick
@@jimmybrodriguez Ally Outdoors Midland Tx no online sales site. Maybe someone could give them a call and have some luck that way.
Good to know. I’ll point some people that way that have been looking
@@jimmybrodriguez last I saw, I think a 16 and 10.5 in 556. Plus a couple 9mm PCCs.
Because they have become a hype company. All it is, is a milspec ar15 with a good barrel. Nothing else about them is awesome, just normal uppers, lowers, and handguards. The only way to get a good value and top notch parts is to build your own with the best of each manufacturer. My spr build I just completed is a fine example. Vltor MUR upper, centurion 16” mk12 barrel, DD ris iii handguard, Geissele super tricon trigger, brt chrome bolt carrier, FN contract overun bolt, springco white hot buffer spring, h1 buffer, LMT buffer tube kit, cmmg lower. Only reason I used a cmmg lower was because that was all I could find locally, but it has way better fit and finish than any aero I’ve used. You’d think upper and lower were a matched set.
What caliber is it?
77gr ammo out of a 12.5" barrel is based. I've stretched my 12.5" out to 700 with ease with that ammo
Great video. I will recomend to keep the rifle in front of the camera the entire time.
How come you don't SBR it and loose the brace?
Because travel restitutions with sbrs but people will say just don’t tell the aft, to which I would say then why not tell them about any of it which brings us back to where we are.
what os SPR ?
Why no Atlas bipod allowed?
Your hat’s upside down
You're using a high mount, had cheek weld problems, so added a cheek riser. Why not simply go back to a normal height mount?
I may be wrong, but I thought modifying a pistol brace (adding a riser) was illegal?
BDC is where the great shooters dwell.
what handstop is that?
Emissary development
Get some.
Everybody knows 11.5 is the true master race
11.5 mid👀
@@jimmybrodriguez 12.5 mid
For a GPR, sure
Relax Karen
11.5 is the shit
wrist check? speedmaster? i cant quite tell.
Good eye. Yup speedy
Umm you are shooting prone with a 12.5 barrel? Did you use bags or bipod? 😂
Uh yes and yes
I don’t understand y you need a red dot on there when you have a 1-8 on there
Offset Red Dots. Is this the future?
th-cam.com/video/-7_W3paA_A4/w-d-xo.html
@@jimmybrodriguez y tho your 1 power is the same power as that red dot
Over a dollar a round for ammo!? Ouch!
"so basically everyone said i did this class wrong but also my hits were hits so who really did it wrong here"
Hahaha accurate
Your Instagram down?
It really sounds like this class needs to be split up into to 2 classes. 1 class to go over basics of gear, ammo, and fundamentals like getting zeroed and gathering DOPE. Then another class to go over actual DMR stuff. It sounds like people were all over the place in gear, skills, and knowledge. I just went through this with a buddy of mine who wants to shoot a PRS match, but he wants to shoot it with his 16-inch AR, a Vortex 1-6x PST, and 55gr ball ammo. I basically told him it was going to be a rough day where he'd be hitting maybe 20-30% of the target package and struggling all day. Shooting past 300 yards with an AR requires a bit of prerequisite that a lot of guys gloss over. My SPR has an 18” Proof barrel, Primary Arms PLX 1-8x, and I run 77gr hand loads with Shooter’s World Precision powder. I’ve walked it out to 700 yards on 2MOA size targets fairly easily.
Where would you recommend going to learn these basics of long-range? Speaking as someone who is also in the 0-300m wheelhouse.
@@travelingspartan2035 you looking for an in-person class or online?
@@billbee235 both, tbh. Though I'm sure there's plenty of youtube videos on all that.
@@travelingspartan2035 check out modern day sniper. They have a great intro to long range and a nice online network of people that are willing to basically walk you through the process. Some of the online classes you have to pay for but it’s easily worth it. Phil was one of the top shooters in the PRS series for a few years and a Marine sniper instructor
@@travelingspartan2035 the only in person classes I know of are in the Midwest because that’s my neck of the woods
You can back-engineer a BDC but thats over most peoples heads.
Everyone knows 13.7 is the true master race
Getting the job done at distance means using the proper bullet at the proper velocity for expansion. As much as I love my 12.5 any shot at that distance will not result in terminal performance. I still do not want to be shot by a bullet that doesn't expand, but...picking the right tool for the job is key. However, "passing" a class is generally most peoples idea of effective no matter the ballistic truth.
We’ve got more coming in this topic
i love the 12.5 and u are only losing about 150 fps from a 14.5 or 16 in. 12.5 is the perfect all around rifle length
Yes, but 150fps is a significant drop. It’s good tool but not necessarily for dedicated long range work. But I won’t be getting rid of mine anytime soon lol
12.5 Mid
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Runs tall mount, realizes not great for use case of rifle. Adds cheek riser, defeats reason behind tall mount. Builds dedicated rifle for use case, uses tall mount again. 🤣 if you end up not digging the Harris and want to stick with atlas the cal does away with the pan feature.
Still benefits to running riser with riser. I looked at the cal but it’s a bit wide for the gas guns
12.5🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢
Flip up °45 buis, or a pistol dot/closed emitter but that t2 is absolutely ridiculous. It takes credibility from what you're saying
Putting a rifle optic on a rifle is ridiculous? What a time to be alive.
Which Harris bipod did he recommend? With which mount? Thanks! Love the content lately. Always interesting, but lately very informative.
Also wondering what Harris bipod he recommended.
"The Badger Ordnance Low Profile Bipod Kit comes with a specially modified Harris BRM-S 6"-9" bipod along with a LPHM MLOK mount. The leg extension buttons have been moved to the inside where they can't be accidentally hit when using the bipod as a barricade block." You can find details on Badger's website, I also think on Ridgeline's TH-cam page he has a quick SPR set-up vid from a couple years ago that could help you.