My Dad passed in 2019. We use to work on cars alot together. I feel less confident working on projects than I use to. These videos help with a lot of questions an got me back into the garage. I have a tv in the garage for troubleshooting projects an usually have project farms playing on it while I'm working on stuff. Thanks for your time an amazing quality videos much appreciated.
Great video. I've run 50:1 synthetic mix in all of my powered equipment for more than a decade with zero issues. One fuel container in the garage for both 2 and 4-stroke engines, no chance to put straight gas in one of the 2-strokes.
I put two stoke in to make more gas when I was a kid to finish mowing it ran rough I put a poo load in the tank and I pulled the plug out curiosity and the piston looked shiny new lol. Not sure if it is still that good with EPA for cleaning buy whatever was in it did it well
I've used the same mix with top shelf oils from my moto x bikes in many engines as well. Just nothing with a cat. The new high end oils don't even foul the plugs.
I have never hesitated to use premix in my lawn mower when I run out of straight gas. Never a problem. Good way to use up premix at the end of the season.
It's been awhile since this has been commented on. But, I would like to see a well! I've ran a cap full in my 450 dirt bike and didnt see any differences other then smell
two stroke oil is designed to be burnt in the cylinder so it won't hurt a 4 stroke now put 2 stroke oil in the crank case of the 4 stroke and see what happens
When I was a kid and mowed grass for people, this one guy INSISTED that 2 stroke oil was what needed to be used in the crankcase of his mower (it was a 4 stroke Briggs quantum). I changed the oil to the correct oil twice and when he found out he yelled at me! Of course because I was 13 years old I "didn't know anything." ...Surprisingly over the 5 years I mowed their grass their mower actually never had any problems, but it was definitely louder with the 2 stroke oil vs the 10w30 I tried to put in it .
LOL, my spouse bought 40:1 mix TruFuel instead of 4-stroke and I googled to find out if I could use it in a 4-stroke. Of course you were the one to cover it. Neat seeing the evolution of your editing and presentation style. The tighter editing and delivery and higher energy style you use now is really good.
If u can, find a small 2 stroke motor and try running the recomended oil gas mix for that motor but use marvel mystery oil as the oil in the mix Like if u agree
MMO is much lighter than the proper 2 stroke oil and probably won't provide as much protection. You could try increasing the amount of MMO in the gas/oil mix to compensate, though.
I have a story for this, for what it's worth. When I was younger and less knowledgeable in automotive things, I did an oil change on our family lawn tractor when it hit 50 hours. I didn't know the difference between motor oils, so I just put in what I found from the store -- Valvoline 2-cycle TC-W3 engine oil. The engine ran fine, even through the winter with a snow blower attachment, until about 90 hours when, all of a sudden while I was mowing, the engine started grinding and I turned it off. The oil, which was blue when it was new, was black and everywhere on the mower deck and the frame. The engine block had a big crack in it. Here's some pictures: imgur.com/a/ejBqq It was weird because the engine didn't bog down or anything, nor was it under any heavy load, it just happened. Called a Cub Cadet authorized service center, they picked it up and took a look. They said they never saw something like this and it was very weird. They got Cub Cadet to foot the bill and they put a new short block in and pay for the labor. Only thing we paid for was the pickup and delivery service from the repair shop. Now I'm more informed, and I know the difference between motor oils. We got a new John Deere lawn tractor and I did the break-in oil change with synthetic 10W-30. Now the Cub Cadet is a dedicated snow blower winter machine. I'd love for you to test 2-cycle oil in a 4-cycle engine. Not sure what the immediate results would be, though, since it took around 40 hours for it to finally do something to my lawn tractor's engine. I'm sure it'd still be interesting though. Hey -- great content as always. Always love watching your videos and love how you interact with everyone in the comments. Have a great day and keep up the good work!
In a "lawnmower" or "snow blower" type of 4 cycle engine- the most you're going to do is smoke up the exhaust (like a chainsaw or edge trimmer). When you use 2 cycle oil mixed gasoline in a 4 cycle VEHICLE engine that has O2 sensor(s) and catalytic converter(s) that's what will plug up and cause failure. An old pre EFI carbureted engine would just have a smoky exhaust, no real damage done.
Well the carb won't like it too, if you wait long enough the gas evaporates and oil clogs the jets in the carb. Running 2 stroke is not soo smart. Just do oil changes regular and it should be ok...running oil is bad for the environment
My oldest poured mixed gas in my side by side this weekend, and this is the first channel/search I thought of. He poured about a gallon of 50:1 in a 8-10 gallon tank, so I topped it off with non-ethanol and some seafoam and it is not smoking and no loss of power. Thanks for the channel!
Can you convert a mower engine to propane? I know I've run across conversions done to generators but it'd be cool to see if a mower could be converted.
I run my lawn tractor on propane just took out the needle and float and ran the hose right in where the gas goes. Also have a ball valve to regulate it a bit because the ratio has to be right. It has less power than gasoline but runs good. Im just curious how much it cleans up a dirty cylender. Iv been tempted to pull mine apart just to look.
Might want to be careful with that as i have seen automotive airboxes blow to pieces from LPG/Propane systems in the shop. The timing and flow needs to be right however im sure it will run, the question is how long. You gotta change the valves and seals for LPG conversions, if you want the engine to last.
deweys There are some citys who buy mowers, often zero turn mowers, that have efi propane engines from the factory because they want to look "green". There are also conversion kits avalible for many carbureted small engines for mowers. Propane is pretty hard on engines, espcally air cooled engines, because it burns so damn hot. We have problems with them sometimes burning out exhaust gaskets and leaking.
805ROADKING runs most of his engine builds on propane. But most of his engines are for show and run at a fixed speed with basically no governer so it might not be very practical without some expensive modifications. I'm sure Project Farm is up to the task though :) :)
I have done this twice. I ran 2 cycle gas/mix in my lawn mower one day because I ran out of straight gasoline and was too lazy to run up to the gas station and I had the mix already in the garage. It ran exactly the same. The 2nd time, I mixed up 5 whole gallons for my snowblower and we barely got any snow at all that winter. I only used like 1/2 gallon. At the end of the season I poured the 4.5 gallons into my Dodge Ram. I expected a smoke show, but nothing. It ran 100% fine. I'm thinking it might be a good thing to run 2 stroke mix in a 4 stroke every now and then to help keep the valves and stuff lubed?
I put some lawnmower Stihl Ultra oil in my cars fuel tank every now and again based on that logic, as a fanatic who drives by feel rather than regulations, I tend to notice every minute change in my vehicles performance, I know by my steering wheel turn to either side the difference in pressure of my front tires and by the way the back feels in the same turn the state of back wheels... I also noticed the first time that I put the Stihl in the tank(and flushed it down with a cup of petrol, also I bent under the car, removed the undercover and shook the tank by hand to mix it up for a minute), after a bit of warmup when the engine started receiving the oily petrol the engine made a bit less mechanical noise, which points toward lubrication... After about 25 seconds when the engine warmed up with gradual increase in throttle up to 3000 from 900 rpm at its base running temp which occurs after 11 seconds since start, so 14 seconds of slow raise in rpm... The engine ran much nicer than it did practically since I bought it from Mercedes a few years ago, so it was brand new the last time it ran this quiet, albeit its not mechanically loud, it runs like a healthy engine should but this did reduce the metal to metal clanking sound a bit, as oil should if it leaves any decent film... Also it did increase the acceleration rate a bit, 0-100kmh(~60mph) was reduced by 0.47 seconds average after 10 measurings... Which you can feel, also in neutral the pure engine revs quicker also and more smoothly, aswell... From then I add a 200 ml bottle gradually over a 3 month period, a bit each time I know I will refuel that day... Smooth like butter... No blown valves or any stupid shit like that... Also, buy some synth silicone lube in spray and lube your clutch,gas,brake pedals, every part that moves-lube it, it makes driving nicer, also lube the door hinges and fuel flap hinges, takes away that little extra unnecessary effort and wear on parts...
@@MiltosAuto the wee bit this dude is taking abt using I would say he would never have Ny issue with catalytic converter !!! I've been adding 32oz of diesel to 10 gals of my cars gas for 15 years Never had Ny issue!! My car's got 350000.0miles on the factory fuel pump diesel keeps pump lubed and injectors clean my converter not stopped up still got the 4 that came on it!!
I use 2 stroke gas in my 4cycl snowblower alot .last year i let is sit all summer and it started rite up no problem. I think it keeps the ethanol gas from corroding the carburetor also
Depend of the oil, you should take 2 stroke oil with gas stabilizer or it can be really worse with oil in gas (I work in small motors and the old premix gas smells worst and put stain on everything)
@@shellcracker18 I'm contemplating using some 2cycle premix in my 4stroke 50cc engine, but I'm concerned with the carbon deposits. are these deposits of any gravity?
@ Project Farm You are a TH-cam scientist! I really appreciate you doing all the stuff I can't afford to do and answering all those burning questions rattling around my head. Keep up the good work!
As a rental equipment tech, I see this a lot, which is why we always provide free fuel with small engine rentals. I have had a repeated problem with intake valves sticking, when 2 cycle is put through Honda GX engines. Especially with the 5-6hp versions, which have pretty light valve springs. The 2 cycle oil will build up on the hot intake valve and get pulled into the guide as a semi solid sludge. Eventually the valve will hang up and the engine stalls.....but nothing a bit of carb cleaner and some tapping on the valve stem cant fix. Never had one permanently damaged, but it has happened many times over the years. The same scenario will occur when very old, stale gas is run through a GX. The varnish and gum will build up and jam the valve given enough run time.
I was a rental tech also for quit a few years. Ive seen the same prob with 5/6 horse hondas. Thats bout the only prob ive found though. Great engines if the dumbass customers have some sense. My favorite was always chainsaw gastanks full of bar oil. Such a mess!
I wonder if engine build up would be reduced in the cylinder head if you give everything a polish, almost mirror finish. Maybe polish half the head and piston and a valve and try it out.
Project Farm as a way to test the carbon build up, use a ton of oil in the gas like you did in this video. It really likes to carbonize. Use engine oil not 2 stroke though, 2 stroke is made to not deposit in the cylinders. Run it for quite a while and it should cause some deposits.
A comparison between different 2 stroke oil would be interesting. Modern synthetic ones actually can be used to clean off old carbon deposits. The old style non-synthetic always left this black gunk in the exhaust. this could be an interesting test.
I did tip some old rc plane fuel (80% methanol + 20% castor oil?) into a 2 stroke mower tank one time - full throttle was terrifyingly fast but the exhaust smelled nice 😆
I am amazed it didn’t smoke with the heavier mixture. I am also impressed with how little build up there was in the combustion chamber. I really enjoy your videos. I think they should add them to every High school’s industrial arts program.
When winterizing my marine 4 cycle inboard engines I pour a 1:1 mixture of synthetic 2 stroke oil and gasoline down the carburetor while the engine is running. It surprises me how much can be poured down the engine with little smoke. This makes for a great cheap fogging storage oil.Great work. Great vids ! ! !
I always felt it would be ok to use 2stroke oil in a pinch in a 4strke engine. Thanks Todd for this video!😁. Bet it would not be nice for the Cat. though?
Another great video! Now when I go to mow and I find my tank empty and all I have is mix for my weedeater.. Now I won't have to stop and go to the gas station! Thanks again!
We use to mix regular engine oil with gas when we were out of 2 stroke oil for the 2 stroke equipment we used . It smoked a lot more but it did it’s job lubricating them . Never had any problems or issues doing this
I would be interested in seeing a video dedicated to the lubricity test of gasoline and mixing oils including both conventional and synthetic 2 stroke oil, 4 stroke oil, straight gas and all the appropriate mixtures. Would be neat to see what ones will perform best with less damage to a 2 stroke engine
Interesting. Thanks for doing this experiment. I would find it very interesting to see results on a machine made for high performance such as a four stroke motocross bike like the Honda CRF 450 or a sport bike like Kawasaki Ninja.
Thanks for doing this video. I have a couple of gallons of left over 2 cycle gas from last winter I need to get rid of and I often wondered if this could be done. (two thumbs up) !!!!
Nothing will happen because that is exactly what the 2-cycle oil is for in the first place. Older 2-stroke engines ran on a mixture of regular 30 weight oil like you would use in a 4-stroke crankcase, and gasoline before all of these fancy 2-stroke oils came out.
I've been running 2 stroke fuel in my lawn equipment for years. I have a 2 stroke snow blower so once I mix it I just use it in all my stuff. Nothing wrong with a little extra lubrication in my opinion. Lol
Been using 10w20 or 30 synthetic/blend motor oil,whichever I have handy , for 10+ yrs in snow blower and weed eater. Weed eater had problems stalling but never has with the engine oil. Never tore one apart like PF has so try at own risk. Keep up the great vids
When I'm out of regular gas the lazy in me grabs the weed eater mixed gas. It does fine but I've noticed over the two years of occasional use the blue puff of smoke when I start it. I've never changed the spark plug could be a contributing factor. And the ethonal in the gas....
There's a video on here where a guy put vegetable oil in his car and he ran it for a long time with no problems. Actually i don't think it ever had a problem, i think he just scrapped the car because it was a piece of shit lol
yeah I kind of wonder the same thing how two cycle oil would lubricate in the crankcase... it should work fine as it is the only thing lubricating the bearings in a 2 cycle engine
2:08 Hey, it's blue! Totally worth it in my book. I'm surprised that the compression actually went up with that first test. Maybe you should revisit this experiment to test performance and mileage vs. normal gasoline. I'd also suggest testing for engine knock. I heard that E85 ethanol has a cleaning effect on engines, so if you mixed two-stroke oil with E85 or with premium gasoline, would it reduce the carbon build-up?
The reason the compression went up on the first test is because the 2 cycle oil coated the cylinder wall and helped the piston rings seal better. The rings will seal much better when the cylinder is oily than when it's dry. I was expecting the compression to go up even more on his 2nd test when he used a lot more oil, but I suppose he ran into diminishing returns there. I guess once the cylinder walls are coated in a little oil more doesn't help anymore.
@@mmppzzz1092 Yes, a hot engine will typically produce more compression than a cold engine due to the improved ring seal from thermal expansion. However, since the introduction of oil into the combustion chamber was the only variable in this test, I suspect that is the cause of the increase. Adding oil to the cylinder will always improve ring seal and therefore compression and is actually a common practice during a compression test. If adding oil greatly increases compression that indicates a problem with ring seal.
If you use E85 the engine will be a lot cleaner and a bit less wear, the engine will run a bit cooler and due to the high octane rating of about 104, the engine will sound a bit less strained
As a night shift officer, on slow nights I search for intriguing videos like this to expand my mind. I am subscribed to this channel now. Awesome videos! Thank you
was using two stroke in my 4 cycle lawn mower, and it lifted the valve seat. Had to pin the seat back down with center punch, and now I just use straight gas. lesson learned.
98 octane packs a punch used in my McCulloch 18hp Lawn tractor. Cuts dense grass at idle no problem. 98 and diesel is even better. improves compression on bigger engines, just not the Alpina lawntractors, it kills them for good.
Hockey Masked Person the higher the octane the slower it ignites. That’s why higher compression requires higher octane. To prevent pre-ignition or detonation. Higher octane doesn’t = more power Higher octane requires higher compression
Crazy i used a 1p to 150p mixture with 98super petrol in my Car with no Cat and the car seems running really good with it. Dyno runs proof that at 23psi of boost there are 0 engine knocks detected in the ecu and the car has more compression with it. I still do this for over a year now car runs PERFECT!!
Been done from the dawn ages without any issues and technically so it shouldn't. The pro is top-end cylinder wall lubrication the cons are emissions, slight loss of performance and the additional cost of premix.
Yeah good to run some though the tank for salvaging engines on the verge of seized. However thinking about it i had never ran it through an EFI setup and id say there is a high chance it will dirty up the injectors.
Everything I'm curious about I got em in your channel. You are doing such a great job @project farm. I actually added 2stroke pre mix in my car gas tank. I used 1oz per 10 gallons of gasoline and as an upper cycle lube 2sktoke pre mix works better than some other expensive gasoline additives. But I've seen some people talk crap about doing so. Thank you for providing the point Sir 😊
So satisfying watching you clean these motors. Kinda dissapointing when you don't. Just my opinion. I have done this when i ran out of gas half way through mowing the lawn.
So when you look in a random fuel can in your shed, you know if it's plain petrol or premix, i.e "as a convenience for the customer" Other brands use other colours, red or green are both quite common.
Great vidio, I have a half a tank (20 gal)of 2 stroke gas to get rid of because I'm going from 2 stroke outboard motor to a 4 stroke. Now I can run it in my riding lawnmower, thanks for solving a big problem
When I mix my chainsaw gas all that I don’t use I put in my truck so I always have fresh fuel for chainsaw. I’ve never noticed any problems, granted the fuel used in truck is very diluted by what’s in the tank. Thanks for the video!
My Dad passed in 2019. We use to work on cars alot together. I feel less confident working on projects than I use to. These videos help with a lot of questions an got me back into the garage. I have a tv in the garage for troubleshooting projects an usually have project farms playing on it while I'm working on stuff. Thanks for your time an amazing quality videos much appreciated.
You are welcome! Thanks for sharing!
The neighbors: "God this guy likes mowing"
LOL! Yes, they would like for me to mow their lawn.
With a lawn that size I don't blame him
Shortest lawn in town probably!
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Loebane so true
Great video. I've run 50:1 synthetic mix in all of my powered equipment for more than a decade with zero issues. One fuel container in the garage for both 2 and 4-stroke engines, no chance to put straight gas in one of the 2-strokes.
Thank you. Thanks for sharing.
I put two stoke in to make more gas when I was a kid to finish mowing it ran rough I put a poo load in the tank and I pulled the plug out curiosity and the piston looked shiny new lol. Not sure if it is still that good with EPA for cleaning buy whatever was in it did it well
I've used the same mix with top shelf oils from my moto x bikes in many engines as well. Just nothing with a cat. The new high end oils don't even foul the plugs.
Revisiting your old videos really shows how far you've come along as a presentator
Thank you very much!
Very true, this guy has stepped his game up every video for years. Much love and props to you sir. KEEP IT UP!
Truth!
And he's still improving, and somehow continues buying an endless supply of equipment.
Legend has it his grass has never been tall
LOL! Yes, I keep it mowed.
He thought about letting it grow once. But then he shot another video.
@Teddy Machette Running it till it's empty will not plug the fuel line or the carb!
This man is the mortal enemy of spark plugs everywhere.
LOL! Thanks for commenting!
Also of people who work nights lol.
He's been through a few of the predator engines :D
Hahaha it's so interesting watching his stuff tho
ElementalMaker naw he is the bane of all grass everywhere
I have never hesitated to use premix in my lawn mower when I run out of straight gas. Never a problem. Good way to use up premix at the end of the season.
Thanks for sharing.
Can you make the engine run on politician's lies? That would be a colossal and continuous source of fuel.
I think you just instantly solved both democrats and republicans problems with that one
Very well said
@@dudebro5169 mostly democrats
Like Chernobyl.. How do you get a nuclear reactor to explode.. Lies.. Watch the Chernobyl series great show..
Yeah, at least for the NEXT 4 years, there would be MORE fuel than we could ever use, LOL!
why not try a gas & diesel mix in a 2-stroke engine
Thank you for this recommendation!
what about some of the even more "oily" stuff, such as No. 4 Fuel Oil?
2stroke engines run on diesel when they are warm
It’ll seize up, but that’d still be fun to watch.
gas and diesel separate but if kept mixed it will run but not very.
I bet yer neighbors thought your mower was sick cause it had an iv bag
LOL! Thanks for commenting.
Do this ond
Maynard 59 loved your comment made my day I subbed have a great day it mad my laugh
On a drip lol
funny...lol.....I bag.....
The best thing about you is: You Do What You Love - Definition of a Successful Man.
Thank you!
Channels like this are why I love TH-cam. Just a dude chilling out doing crazy stuff to lawnmowers.
LOL! Thank you!
I got one for you... run nitro RC fuel in a diesel engine, 2 stroke engine, and a 4 stroke motor to see what happens.
Thank you for this recommendation!
It's been awhile since this has been commented on. But, I would like to see a well! I've ran a cap full in my 450 dirt bike and didnt see any differences other then smell
two stroke oil is designed to be burnt in the cylinder so it won't hurt a 4 stroke now put 2 stroke oil in the crank case of the 4 stroke and see what happens
Thank you for this recommendation!
2 stroke is approx a 30w oil, it should hold up pretty well in moderate temperatures as engine lube
When I was a kid and mowed grass for people, this one guy INSISTED that 2 stroke oil was what needed to be used in the crankcase of his mower (it was a 4 stroke Briggs quantum). I changed the oil to the correct oil twice and when he found out he yelled at me! Of course because I was 13 years old I "didn't know anything." ...Surprisingly over the 5 years I mowed their grass their mower actually never had any problems, but it was definitely louder with the 2 stroke oil vs the 10w30 I tried to put in it .
2 stroke oil is designed to lube the crank bearings in a 2 stroke engine, so I shouldn't run any different
65bug519 drop the oil from the motor and run on the 2 stroke mix
It would be interesting to see how different spark plugs affect the operating temperature. For example NGK BR9ES vs BR8ES
Thank you for this recommendation!
Project Farm that would be awesome!
LOL, my spouse bought 40:1 mix TruFuel instead of 4-stroke and I googled to find out if I could use it in a 4-stroke. Of course you were the one to cover it.
Neat seeing the evolution of your editing and presentation style. The tighter editing and delivery and higher energy style you use now is really good.
Thanks!
If u can, find a small 2 stroke motor and try running the recomended oil gas mix for that motor but use marvel mystery oil as the oil in the mix
Like if u agree
Thank you for this recommendation!
MMO is much lighter than the proper 2 stroke oil and probably won't provide as much protection. You could try increasing the amount of MMO in the gas/oil mix to compensate, though.
I love mmo
you should use 2 cycle as engine oil
Thank you for this recommendation!
I like that idea
This is a great idea
I have a story for this, for what it's worth.
When I was younger and less knowledgeable in automotive things, I did an oil change on our family lawn tractor when it hit 50 hours. I didn't know the difference between motor oils, so I just put in what I found from the store -- Valvoline 2-cycle TC-W3 engine oil. The engine ran fine, even through the winter with a snow blower attachment, until about 90 hours when, all of a sudden while I was mowing, the engine started grinding and I turned it off. The oil, which was blue when it was new, was black and everywhere on the mower deck and the frame. The engine block had a big crack in it. Here's some pictures: imgur.com/a/ejBqq It was weird because the engine didn't bog down or anything, nor was it under any heavy load, it just happened.
Called a Cub Cadet authorized service center, they picked it up and took a look. They said they never saw something like this and it was very weird. They got Cub Cadet to foot the bill and they put a new short block in and pay for the labor. Only thing we paid for was the pickup and delivery service from the repair shop.
Now I'm more informed, and I know the difference between motor oils. We got a new John Deere lawn tractor and I did the break-in oil change with synthetic 10W-30. Now the Cub Cadet is a dedicated snow blower winter machine.
I'd love for you to test 2-cycle oil in a 4-cycle engine. Not sure what the immediate results would be, though, since it took around 40 hours for it to finally do something to my lawn tractor's engine. I'm sure it'd still be interesting though.
Hey -- great content as always. Always love watching your videos and love how you interact with everyone in the comments. Have a great day and keep up the good work!
Thats what i thought he was gunna do i was more interested in that test actually
Have you ever done anything to try and show the effects of using different octane ratings of fuel?
Not yet. Thank you for this recommendation.
Mr. Daniels, I just uploaded a similar question. I'm curious as well.
Also interested in this for a future video 👍
With every one of your video's I watch, even these older ones, my respect for you goes up and up. Mad respect and please keep up your fantastic work!
Thanks, will do!
In a "lawnmower" or "snow blower" type of 4 cycle engine- the most you're going to do is smoke up the exhaust (like a chainsaw or edge trimmer). When you use 2 cycle oil mixed gasoline in a 4 cycle VEHICLE engine that has O2 sensor(s) and catalytic converter(s) that's what will plug up and cause failure. An old pre EFI carbureted engine would just have a smoky exhaust, no real damage done.
This is a great post regarding the damage that can be caused. Thank you!
Thank you
Well the carb won't like it too, if you wait long enough the gas evaporates and oil clogs the jets in the carb. Running 2 stroke is not soo smart. Just do oil changes regular and it should be ok...running oil is bad for the environment
TC-W3 is ashless, so in low doses it shoudn't affect the o2 sensor nor the cat
So say you have gutted/deleted cats and the o2 sensors tuned out, you could run 2 stroke gas in newer vehicles as well?
EXCELLENT.....BUT WILL A ENGINE HOLD UP IF 2 CYCLE WAS ADDED TO THE CRANKCASE?
Thank you for this recommendation!
pete a "LOOK LIKE"???🤔 OR WOULD THAT BE ..SOUND LIKE???🤔 SMH ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR DAY PETE
TLS79 well I can't hear the words on my screen you dumb fuck
TLS79 : no.
Skrix Fox stfu nerd and toughen the fuck up kid
Nitro rc car fuel in a mower plz
Thank you for this recommendation!
I agree
Had a kid in my highscool engine shop put 110 octane race fuel in his gocart engine. Blew it up from running too hot
BRADY SCHROEDER how..
BRADY SCHROEDER the high octane had nothing to do with that
My oldest poured mixed gas in my side by side this weekend, and this is the first channel/search I thought of. He poured about a gallon of 50:1 in a 8-10 gallon tank, so I topped it off with non-ethanol and some seafoam and it is not smoking and no loss of power. Thanks for the channel!
You should run it 2oz. To 10gal for upper cylinder lube
Can you convert a mower engine to propane? I know I've run across conversions done to generators but it'd be cool to see if a mower could be converted.
This is a great video project idea. Thank you for this recommendation!
I run my lawn tractor on propane just took out the needle and float and ran the hose right in where the gas goes. Also have a ball valve to regulate it a bit because the ratio has to be right. It has less power than gasoline but runs good. Im just curious how much it cleans up a dirty cylender. Iv been tempted to pull mine apart just to look.
Might want to be careful with that as i have seen automotive airboxes blow to pieces from LPG/Propane systems in the shop. The timing and flow needs to be right however im sure it will run, the question is how long. You gotta change the valves and seals for LPG conversions, if you want the engine to last.
deweys There are some citys who buy mowers, often zero turn mowers, that have efi propane engines from the factory because they want to look "green". There are also conversion kits avalible for many carbureted small engines for mowers.
Propane is pretty hard on engines, espcally air cooled engines, because it burns so damn hot.
We have problems with them sometimes burning out exhaust gaskets and leaking.
805ROADKING runs most of his engine builds on propane. But most of his engines are for show and run at a fixed speed with basically no governer so it might not be very practical without some expensive modifications. I'm sure Project Farm is up to the task though :) :)
I have done this twice. I ran 2 cycle gas/mix in my lawn mower one day because I ran out of straight gasoline and was too lazy to run up to the gas station and I had the mix already in the garage. It ran exactly the same. The 2nd time, I mixed up 5 whole gallons for my snowblower and we barely got any snow at all that winter. I only used like 1/2 gallon. At the end of the season I poured the 4.5 gallons into my Dodge Ram. I expected a smoke show, but nothing. It ran 100% fine. I'm thinking it might be a good thing to run 2 stroke mix in a 4 stroke every now and then to help keep the valves and stuff lubed?
Thanks for commenting on this. There are some who believe there's benefit in using 2 cycle oil in the gas occasionally.
top cylinder lube?
I put some lawnmower Stihl Ultra oil in my cars fuel tank every now and again based on that logic, as a fanatic who drives by feel rather than regulations, I tend to notice every minute change in my vehicles performance, I know by my steering wheel turn to either side the difference in pressure of my front tires and by the way the back feels in the same turn the state of back wheels... I also noticed the first time that I put the Stihl in the tank(and flushed it down with a cup of petrol, also I bent under the car, removed the undercover and shook the tank by hand to mix it up for a minute), after a bit of warmup when the engine started receiving the oily petrol the engine made a bit less mechanical noise, which points toward lubrication... After about 25 seconds when the engine warmed up with gradual increase in throttle up to 3000 from 900 rpm at its base running temp which occurs after 11 seconds since start, so 14 seconds of slow raise in rpm... The engine ran much nicer than it did practically since I bought it from Mercedes a few years ago, so it was brand new the last time it ran this quiet, albeit its not mechanically loud, it runs like a healthy engine should but this did reduce the metal to metal clanking sound a bit, as oil should if it leaves any decent film... Also it did increase the acceleration rate a bit, 0-100kmh(~60mph) was reduced by 0.47 seconds average after 10 measurings... Which you can feel, also in neutral the pure engine revs quicker also and more smoothly, aswell... From then I add a 200 ml bottle gradually over a 3 month period, a bit each time I know I will refuel that day... Smooth like butter... No blown valves or any stupid shit like that... Also, buy some synth silicone lube in spray and lube your clutch,gas,brake pedals, every part that moves-lube it, it makes driving nicer, also lube the door hinges and fuel flap hinges, takes away that little extra unnecessary effort and wear on parts...
Except that the catalytic converter''s life is probably reduced by the burned oil.
@@MiltosAuto the wee bit this dude is taking abt using I would say he would never have Ny issue with catalytic converter !!! I've been adding 32oz of diesel to 10 gals of my cars gas for 15 years Never had Ny issue!! My car's got 350000.0miles on the factory fuel pump diesel keeps pump lubed and injectors clean my converter not stopped up still got the 4 that came on it!!
I use 2 stroke gas in my 4cycl snowblower alot .last year i let is sit all summer and it started rite up no problem. I think it keeps the ethanol gas from corroding the carburetor also
Great point!
Depend of the oil, you should take 2 stroke oil with gas stabilizer or it can be really worse with oil in gas (I work in small motors and the old premix gas smells worst and put stain on everything)
Are we assuming theres no damage in using mixed gas in an engine not make for it? Used some in my power washer and I was curious
E C no damage. It lubes as it burns. Just like a 2 stroke works
@@shellcracker18 I'm contemplating using some 2cycle premix in my 4stroke 50cc engine, but I'm concerned with the carbon deposits. are these deposits of any gravity?
@ Project Farm You are a TH-cam scientist! I really appreciate you doing all the stuff I can't afford to do and answering all those burning questions rattling around my head. Keep up the good work!
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As a rental equipment tech, I see this a lot, which is why we always provide free fuel with small engine rentals.
I have had a repeated problem with intake valves sticking, when 2 cycle is put through Honda GX engines.
Especially with the 5-6hp versions, which have pretty light valve springs. The 2 cycle oil will build up on the hot intake valve and get pulled into the guide as a semi solid sludge. Eventually the valve will hang up and the engine stalls.....but nothing a bit of carb cleaner and some tapping on the valve stem cant fix. Never had one permanently damaged, but it has happened many times over the years. The same scenario will occur when very old, stale gas is run through a GX. The varnish and gum will build up and jam the valve given enough run time.
This is great to know! Thanks for your post.
I was a rental tech also for quit a few years. Ive seen the same prob with 5/6 horse hondas. Thats bout the only prob ive found though. Great engines if the dumbass customers have some sense. My favorite was always chainsaw gastanks full of bar oil. Such a mess!
I wonder if engine build up would be reduced in the cylinder head if you give everything a polish, almost mirror finish. Maybe polish half the head and piston and a valve and try it out.
This is a terrific suggestion--thank you!
I like this idea
Project Farm as a way to test the carbon build up, use a ton of oil in the gas like you did in this video. It really likes to carbonize. Use engine oil not 2 stroke though, 2 stroke is made to not deposit in the cylinders. Run it for quite a while and it should cause some deposits.
You're probably one of my favorite channels on youtube.
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A comparison between different 2 stroke oil would be interesting. Modern synthetic ones actually can be used to clean off old carbon deposits. The old style non-synthetic always left this black gunk in the exhaust. this could be an interesting test.
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Haha looks like you used an IV bag for a Smurf 😂😂😂
LOL! This is funny. Thanks for great humor!
Very funny..made me laugh :-)
Completely true
Should see if the lawn mower will run on nitro rc car gas
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I did tip some old rc plane fuel (80% methanol + 20% castor oil?) into a 2 stroke mower tank one time - full throttle was terrifyingly fast but the exhaust smelled nice 😆
ed allen it will run great on up to 10 % nitro.
I am amazed it didn’t smoke with the heavier mixture. I am also impressed with how little build up there was in the combustion chamber.
I really enjoy your videos. I think they should add them to every High school’s industrial arts program.
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When winterizing my marine 4 cycle inboard engines I pour a 1:1 mixture of synthetic 2 stroke oil and gasoline down the carburetor while the engine is running. It surprises me how much can be poured down the engine with little smoke. This makes for a great cheap fogging storage oil.Great work. Great vids ! ! !
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.
great video as always man, keep up the good work.
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Holy cow, I really enjoyed that!! Once again, another fun, informative video!!! 2 thumbs up, waaaaay up!! Thank you
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My mower ran out a petrol and I only had 2 stroke mix so I used it with out any problems. Great videos keep the coming
Love this video! I’m guilty of dumping the fuel from a 2 stroke into a 4 stroke when I needed just enough gas to finish a job! Great to see it tested!
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I always felt it would be ok to use 2stroke oil in a pinch in a 4strke engine. Thanks Todd for this video!😁. Bet it would not be nice for the Cat. though?
Great point! You are welcome!
What would last longer in place of the oil . WD-40 or JB-80 ? I would love to see something along the lines of that.
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oh wow... before you started using a plastic bottle. Haha crazy seeing this. Keep up the good work!
Another great video! Now when I go to mow and I find my tank empty and all I have is mix for my weedeater.. Now I won't have to stop and go to the gas station! Thanks again!
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Can you Run a motor on gas, while spaying wd-40 in it and see if it cleans/ helps the motor! Please?!?
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I do this in the beginning of the season to clean the carbs
wd-40 in fact works as a safer alternative to starting fluid on diesel engines.
Ive ran a weedeater on NOTHING but STRAIGHT 100% Wd-40, I couldnt believe it myself, ran for a long time with no issues
Good recommendation! Gum up carbs after sitting unused for a while.
what if you used water and dry ice in the engine for cooling? and how long would it last?
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We use to mix regular engine oil with gas when we were out of 2 stroke oil for the 2 stroke equipment we used . It smoked a lot more but it did it’s job lubricating them . Never had any problems or issues doing this
That may actually come in handy one day. Thanks dude 🤙
Probably load-up the exhaust port, might need to be shook up again after sitting also.
I would be interested in seeing a video dedicated to the lubricity test of gasoline and mixing oils including both conventional and synthetic 2 stroke oil, 4 stroke oil, straight gas and all the appropriate mixtures. Would be neat to see what ones will perform best with less damage to a 2 stroke engine
Thanks for the recommendation.
I think a mixture of lacquer thinner and gasoline would be an interesting one!
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Acetone is suposed to extend fuel mileage that might be a good test aswell
And hook up a catalytic converter to it see if it cleans the cat
Project Farm take it a step further, and see if thinner added to old fuel can bring it back
How about thinning paint with gas?!
I love these videos! This is some awesome and informative entertainment.
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Interesting. Thanks for doing this experiment. I would find it very interesting to see results on a machine made for high performance such as a four stroke motocross bike like the Honda CRF 450 or a sport bike like Kawasaki Ninja.
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I use the Walmart synthetic two stroke oil in my 998cc FZ1, 6.4oz bottle per tank.
Thanks for doing this video. I have a couple of gallons of left over 2 cycle gas from last winter I need to get rid of and I often wondered if this could be done. (two thumbs up) !!!!
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You should put the 2 cycle oil in the crank in place of the 4 stroke oil and see what happens.
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I second this
Nothing will happen because that is exactly what the 2-cycle oil is for in the first place. Older 2-stroke engines ran on a mixture of regular 30 weight oil like you would use in a 4-stroke crankcase, and gasoline before all of these fancy 2-stroke oils came out.
yes iv wanted to try this one my self iv been told it a work
That's what I thought he was going to do.
I’m glad to see the Archoil in the background
Yes, I'll be testing it soon. Looking forward to see how it compares to other additives.
Project Farm finally! Thank you ive commented several times on archoil and how it fixed my 04 ford f350 powerstroke engine!
Straight 2cycle oil in engine case. What will it do to the engine
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so , does the 2T actually help lubricate the pistons? or should i continue using my MMO instead?
So ur saying I could run a lil bit of my 50:1 mix in my 4 stroke atv?
Yep and you'll improve compression and keep the valves cleaner.
See what happens when you put pool salt in gasoline
Edit: wow thanks guys I didn’t expect to get this many likes
hmmmmm i like it
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Project Farm no problem
Project Farm great video by the way 👍
JParkes43 thanks
I've been running 2 stroke fuel in my lawn equipment for years. I have a 2 stroke snow blower so once I mix it I just use it in all my stuff. Nothing wrong with a little extra lubrication in my opinion. Lol
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For some reason I missed this in your great collection of videos, as always job well done! Keep up the good work!
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You could try mixing 4 stroke oil with gas and running it in a two stroke engine.
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I would like to see what other types of oil you can use for mix in a 2 stroke, lamp oil, motor oil, veg oil, gear oil, you get the picture.
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My friend's idiot nephew once used peanut oil in his chainsaw and ruined it.
Been using 10w20 or 30 synthetic/blend motor oil,whichever I have handy , for 10+ yrs in snow blower and weed eater. Weed eater had problems stalling but never has with the engine oil. Never tore one apart like PF has so try at own risk. Keep up the great vids
ArkEyez : delute properly motor oil works just fine.
When I'm out of regular gas the lazy in me grabs the weed eater mixed gas. It does fine but I've noticed over the two years of occasional use the blue puff of smoke when I start it. I've never changed the spark plug could be a contributing factor. And the ethonal in the gas....
I've always wanted to know if this works. Im glad the Internet listens to our thoughts because i needed this 😂 keep up the great work.
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You should try, remove the normal engine oil, and add 2 stroke oil to the engine instead of normal 4 stroke oil :-)
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Replace engine oil with cooking oil
There's a video on here where a guy put vegetable oil in his car and he ran it for a long time with no problems. Actually i don't think it ever had a problem, i think he just scrapped the car because it was a piece of shit lol
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I've always heard of people using acetone mixed in with gas to clean out the carbon build up in car engines. Would be a good thing to try next.
Cooking oil would be a lot better than no oil at all, but the viscosity won't hold up well to the heat and in the long run it will sludge up badly.
project farm has already done this, he cooked bacon on the crankcase of the engine
You should put only 2 stroke oil into the crankcase
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It'd run for far too long. Seen an engine go 200 miles on nothing but used vegetable oil
Ricardo it works i sometimes top up the mower with what ever oil! Works fine
yeah I kind of wonder the same thing how two cycle oil would lubricate in the crankcase... it should work fine as it is the only thing lubricating the bearings in a 2 cycle engine
4 to 1 YOURE CRAZY! I'm shocked that worked. Thanks for trying it!
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Now try the same test but use ATF instead of mix-oil.
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Works just fine mixed in proper ratio!!
2:08 Hey, it's blue! Totally worth it in my book.
I'm surprised that the compression actually went up with that first test. Maybe you should revisit this experiment to test performance and mileage vs. normal gasoline. I'd also suggest testing for engine knock.
I heard that E85 ethanol has a cleaning effect on engines, so if you mixed two-stroke oil with E85 or with premium gasoline, would it reduce the carbon build-up?
Thank you for the feedback
The reason the compression went up on the first test is because the 2 cycle oil coated the cylinder wall and helped the piston rings seal better. The rings will seal much better when the cylinder is oily than when it's dry. I was expecting the compression to go up even more on his 2nd test when he used a lot more oil, but I suppose he ran into diminishing returns there. I guess once the cylinder walls are coated in a little oil more doesn't help anymore.
@@averyalexander2303 or maybe the piston and ring expanded (thermal) to the point that it raises 5psi?
@@mmppzzz1092 Yes, a hot engine will typically produce more compression than a cold engine due to the improved ring seal from thermal expansion. However, since the introduction of oil into the combustion chamber was the only variable in this test, I suspect that is the cause of the increase. Adding oil to the cylinder will always improve ring seal and therefore compression and is actually a common practice during a compression test. If adding oil greatly increases compression that indicates a problem with ring seal.
If you use E85 the engine will be a lot cleaner and a bit less wear, the engine will run a bit cooler and due to the high octane rating of about 104, the engine will sound a bit less strained
Love the channel, sure shows what products can do and can't do.
Thanks for the positive comment.
As a night shift officer, on slow nights I search for intriguing videos like this to expand my mind. I am subscribed to this channel now. Awesome videos! Thank you
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was using two stroke in my 4 cycle lawn mower, and it lifted the valve seat. Had to pin the seat back down with center punch, and now I just use straight gas. lesson learned.
Great information. Thank you
Try using bacon grease or lard as engine oil
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Definitely! That’d be neat.
Is it just me or does the combustion chamber on the briggs look like a ballsack? Makes me laugh every time lol.
LOL! Thanks for commenting.
This comment made me laugh!
It is not just you that looks like a ball sack. The combustion chamber does as well.
Most of the old flathead engines had the same design combustion chambers.
Can't unsee now
I love how simple this guy's videos are an how easy it is to understand what he's talking about thanks for the content keep it up
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A Briggs will run on unicorn farts
Josh Shaw ....yep its true .it will run on fart juice. ..and beyond
What about flex Seal
Haha nice!!
Damn right! Nothing will stop a Briggs.
Briggs sucks ass. Buy a Kohler
This was a good one.
Predictable though
I'd like to see what would happen if you ran 116 octane racing fuel in a low compression lawn mower
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Project Farm no problem
I always enjoy these experiments you do.
You do what we all wonder from time to time! lol
98 octane packs a punch used in my McCulloch 18hp Lawn tractor. Cuts dense grass at idle no problem. 98 and diesel is even better. improves compression on bigger engines, just not the Alpina lawntractors, it kills them for good.
Hockey Masked Person the higher the octane the slower it ignites.
That’s why higher compression requires higher octane. To prevent pre-ignition or detonation.
Higher octane doesn’t = more power
Higher octane requires higher compression
perhaps use a non ashless formula of 2 cycle. Get a non outboard type oil.
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most mdern 2 stroke oil prevents it smoking, not like the old stuff!
I know its a real pain, no point in getting a 2t anymore
The more of these engine videos I watch the more I appreciate the genius of Nicholas Otto and Rudolph Diesel.
Empty the 4stroke oil and run the 2 stroke oil and see if it will lubercate properly
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NOTICE HOW THE CARBON ISNT STICKING TO THE CYLINDER !!!
Alejandro Aguilar no
Yup, it's just an oily residue that raises compression and loosens carbon.
Now run the engine with 2 cycle oil as the crankcase oil
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I was thinking the same thing!!!
That will be awesome
yes please!
2-stroke oil is just a straight 20 or 30 weight low-ash non-detergent mineral oil with no additives. It'll work as a crankcase oil, but isn't optimal.
Crazy i used a 1p to 150p mixture with 98super petrol in my Car with no Cat and the car seems running really good with it. Dyno runs proof that at 23psi of boost there are 0 engine knocks detected in the ecu and the car has more compression with it. I still do this for over a year now car runs PERFECT!!
I've burned old 2cycle mix in my old caravan, ran fine just blew out blue exhaust until next fill up.
Been done from the dawn ages without any issues and technically so it shouldn't. The pro is top-end cylinder wall lubrication the cons are emissions, slight loss of performance and the additional cost of premix.
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Yeah good to run some though the tank for salvaging engines on the verge of seized. However thinking about it i had never ran it through an EFI setup and id say there is a high chance it will dirty up the injectors.
Another way to look at his explanation of two strokes: a 2 stroke does everything a 4 stroke can in 2 strokes while a 4 cycle takes 4
Matt ...but, a four stroke does it much more efficiently, with more power for less fuel (and emissions.)
@@ALittleBitOfGay obviously, i should have mentioned this lol
Wd-40 as engine oil
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Actually doesn't do too bad. We tried a bunch of different things in my highschool engine shop class to figure this kind of stuff out
I guess if you put a ton of WD-40 in it would work okay, but it’s a water based lubricant. Very thin.
the guys at haggard garage did that and some magazine covered them
Everything I'm curious about I got em in your channel. You are doing such a great job @project farm. I actually added 2stroke pre mix in my car gas tank. I used 1oz per 10 gallons of gasoline and as an upper cycle lube 2sktoke pre mix works better than some other expensive gasoline additives. But I've seen some people talk crap about doing so. Thank you for providing the point Sir 😊
You are welcome!
Please make more videos about comparing products.
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I want to see if normal gasoline would clean the junk of the cylinder head after running for a bit . Great video!
Thank you for the video idea!
You are My fav youtuber
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So satisfying watching you clean these motors. Kinda dissapointing when you don't. Just my opinion. I have done this when i ran out of gas half way through mowing the lawn.
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Can u try putting a 2 stoke pipe on a four stroke
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I don't think it'll be any different than with the stock muffler other than maybe a tiny bit more power
Why is 2-cycle oil blue compared to browish/gold?
I believe it's dyed to inform consumers that it's different than 4 cycle oil.
Project Farm interesting thanks for the response!
here in germany i got red oil... maybe to know which manufacturer and to recognise it
Here in poland 2stroke oil is red also
So when you look in a random fuel can in your shed, you know if it's plain petrol or premix, i.e "as a convenience for the customer" Other brands use other colours, red or green are both quite common.
Bio fuel next please .... Wood smoke possible?
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I agree, I saw an engine run off of wood smoke on TV once and can't find any concrete info on it!
Yeah, make a simple wood gas generator and hook it up to a lawn mower.
yes it was used in ww2 in the UK when you couldnt get petrol, its called a wood gassifier
@ed, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_gas_generator
Great vidio, I have a half a tank (20 gal)of 2 stroke gas to get rid of because I'm going from 2 stroke outboard motor to a 4 stroke. Now I can run it in my riding lawnmower, thanks for solving a big problem
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.
I run a very small amount of 2 cycle oil in my 4 cycle gas to increase fuel lubricity.
I guess it's going to preserve your combustion chamber longer than expected.
@@nuclearwinter21 If you run one ounce of tc-w3 Marine 2-stroke oil in 5 gallons of fuel for your automobile it will be beneficial.
I'm sure you have heard this one before... Use WD40 as crankcase oil
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Please retry with the crankcase oil also 2 cycle oil (:
Or with nitro rc as fuel, nitromethane. It has lubricant in the fuel also
I'll definitely test it in the crankcase. Also, thank you for the rc fuel recommendation!
When I mix my chainsaw gas all that I don’t use I put in my truck so I always have fresh fuel for chainsaw. I’ve never noticed any problems, granted the fuel used in truck is very diluted by what’s in the tank. Thanks for the video!
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