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TENET || Gate Scene || 3D Breakdown with Theory
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ธ.ค. 2020
- 3D visualization of the gate scene in Tenet.
Theory about the collapsed tunnel included.
little boo boo:
Neil doesn't knock the gun out of the thug's hand. TP actually shoots him but runs out of ammo. then Ives gets up and reloads it.
THE BULLET:
The only official statement we have is from the actual script:
Volkov PULLS HIS TRIGGER - but the Dead Tenet Soldier has
‘RISEN’ to be in front of the gun ‘ABSORBING’ the bullet -
then LEAPING to one side, ALIVE -
So he uses the word 'absorbing' here. Which means, from Neil's perspective it would un-absorb, or materialize, moments before being ripped from his head back to Volkov's gun.
![Tenet || Inversion Visualized || Inverted Objects and World Lines #4 [SPOILERS]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/FVdBLjNR5TU/mqdefault.jpg)
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Imagine already witnessing your team win but you still have to go back and take the bullet
True. But this makes it at least less of a waste, in some strange kinda logic.
I feel like that would make it easier if anything, because you get to see the payoff and get to know for sure that your sacrifice will make it work
@@j0hn00 it's bitter sweet
@@j0hn00 yeah ...but ...a human... if there is a small possibility to stay alive
I m telling you right now that I wont go back for sure
theme of duty
The Prestige:I have a plot twist
Inception: My plot is a twist
Interstellar: I have a twisted plot
Tenet: tsiwt tolp ma I
Memento: i'm the father of the plot-twist in the Nolan's movies
@@johnnythundertherevenger945 Memento: I’m the father of plot... wait, what was I trying to say? I can't remember...
🤣🤣🤣
Underrated
tnemmoc detarednu
This shows you need a serious strategy and planning skills when you are on a Nolan based time travel mission.
Even so when you write the script and plan the organisation of the shootings. If you miss something or plan something wrong the film will be incoherent or you have to shoot everything again.
@@JS_2395 It was still incoherent to watch in the moment. This youtube explaining videos are neat but don’t make the movie any better. Nolan has become the “Intellectual Michael Bay.”
@@BlackEagle352 You’re cute. Thankfully or else NO ONE would listen to apologist defense of a mediocre film.
@@BlackEagle352 You’re just wrong. Thanks of caring too much about a movie that doesn’t care if you’re defend it or not on social media, in that regard...your life could be WAY better.
HAHAHAHA Nolan fanboy
Still kinda wild that Neil had to "lock" the door from his perspective, so that it would be "unlocked" for the protagonist.
He doesn't actually unlock it that time, he just closes it and it's just reversed.
@@ryanod9845 so when did he unlock the door?
@@lunkprab that is the paradox. Nolan fucked up.
He didn't lock it in purpose, he stood in front of the protagonist to protect him of the bullet that would kill him and as his corpse fell to the ground the door was closed
@RainFall exactly. Just like the scene where the protagonist has to “drop” the bullet in order to catch it.
In all of Nolan's films, this scene totally confused me the most.
Definetely
For me it was the Talinn red room/blue room scene
highway chase was the most difficult for me
You aint lying! The close ups dont help either. Cant tell who is who sometimes
Yeah, I couldn't figure out the physics of Volkov's bullet until I stopped thinking of it from just the forward direction of time.
From a normal time perspective, there was a skeleton lying in that spot months ago. Then there was an “unrotting” corpse a few days ago.
yeah,.certainly seems that way,..lol. I am guessing maybe this site was abandoned for years before that day.
same goes for every inverted object. if an inverted bullet was shot into a wall, then that would mean the bullet was there since that wall was first built. i guess that's why the scientist said "don't think about it, feel it."
altough my theory if time invertion actually happens, inverted objects would pass trough non inverted objects, so they won't break the flow of time
edit: this is incorrect stop liking my reply. there are other guys down in the replies that has a better theory both for the movie physics and the actual theoretical physics
No after the battle blue team carried a stracher with one guy lied on it..
May be it was niel
Damn, that's crazy
@@Cinephile______468 wow man
How can this video simultaneously explain everything but nothing at the same time
Schrödinger's video
dnatsrednu uoy woN
Now you understand
@@uncivilsum9911 - Right?! 🥴 LMAO
I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS F'N MOVIE!
Paradox
Ok for those of us that still didn’t get it after a 3D BREAKDOWN... Let’s not try to understand it anymore, just feel it.
😂😂😂
Instinct 😂
when you feel it..you understand it.
then you question yourself is it true or not.. then you think it..after that you dont get it.
but dont think.feel it.
circle continues.
Yes 😔
Yeah right bro
bro i have spent more times watching tenet explained videos than I spent actually watching tenet and I still don't get what the fuck is going on
🤣🤣🤣
Neither do I bro
Bingo
Don't Try To Understand It . Feel It.
@@derang2704 Thats right
I think Nolan has a second separate brain to think this kinds of stuffs.
Bet his second brain is inverted.
@@Vilest7Creeper future and present Nolan working together
@@malasc12 Nolan writes his script using temporal pincer movement :O
@@Vilest7Creeper
Nolans Brain:
left side = normal,
Right side= inverted
This separate brain called "Jonathan"
my opinion:
at 0:30 when the bomb goes off, the shockwave clears the entrance off the rocks. now when you reverse that, neil is simply sucked into the open entrance by the reversed shockwave. just like the protagonist was sucked into the freeport back at the plane crash site.
that is actually pretty clever.
I dunno about getting 'sucked in', but having the blast clear the rocks is a great idea.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill i think that's the answer, it's the reverse explosion, no need blue team to clear rubbles they clear themselves
Makes sense, could very well be
Ok so here's my theory on Neil's body:
I believe that it hasn't been sitting there since the beginning of time, rather the body spontaneously appeared at some point. Here's why:
Neil describes being inverted in a non-inverted world as "swimming upstream". Imagine inverted matter has a sort of momentum, where it's entropy starts highly negative once it goes through a turnstile, but over time it loses the negative entropy and evens out to equilibrium with it's surroundings (like an ice cube melting or a hot poker slowly cooling). Therefore the inverse entropy will slowly reduce, hit zero, then start accumulating regular non-inverse entropic radiation.
If you take this theory to it's logical conclusion, what happens when an object with negative entropy reaches loses that entropy and starts accumulating regular entropy?
Well, we actually have seen multiple examples of that happening. Every time someone goes into a turnstile, their entropy is flipped. What you see depends on your perspective. You either see two people spontaneously appear out of thin air (like what Neil and TP first see at the airport), or you watch two people disappear into thin air (like Sator after the car chase). Something that abruptly stops traveling forwards in time would seem to disappear, and something that spontaneously stops moving backwards in time and begins traveling forwards would appear out of nowhere at that point.
So depending on your perspective, if you wait around long enough you will either see Neil's body disappear (if you are inverted) or you will see his body spontaneously appear out of nowhere (if you are not inverted).
I like this explanation. But I wonder about the gold that gets sent back. That implies the it takes a loong time before it reverts back. Priya says it was generations from now that the came up with the Algorithm. So the bad guys from the future must have inverted the gold then, to stream back. Unless they can somehow boost the radiation or something.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill That's a good point, I'm guessing they could surround the package with some material that inhibits the entropic radiation, like a lead-lined box.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill I thought the same thing when watching the movie. If an inverted bullet stuck in a normal (non-inverted) wall spontaneously appears at some point before being 'sucked' out by an inverted gun (like the bullet hole in the opera scene), that means from their inverted perspective, they must fade out of existence at some point (the same thing but in reverse). But we are also told that items from far in the future travel back to the present without fading away. This is definitely a contradiction in the movie.
@@SandalwoodBros Why do we assume it would disappear though? I always understood that normal entropy would take over eventually, not that the item would dematerialize
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill:
Perhaps it would have to do with the quality of gold itself; it's already known for being extremely resistant to corrosion, perhaps it's also resistant to change in entropy (which can be overcome with turnstiles, but not as easy to naturally reverse on its own, just like gold won't corrode on its own in a long time, but can easily be broken down with aqua regia).
The other day i was wondering, wouldn’t a tenet sequel actually be a prequel to the first movie?
Well it hasn't happened yet so...there ya go.😃
Dn it would be fucking amazing. Nolan's first "original" sequel.
I think the fact that he did the batman trilogy would give him credence and a free shot to the notion of doing a sequel to one of his original movies. We can only hope and dream...
i would love the TENET pre-sequel to reveal that * *every* * SWAT team member in the opera siege except the CIA team was actually a TENET agent. No friends at dusk indeed.
It would indeed. It would be the protagonist after chapter 1 starting Tenet, recruiting Neil, training him, "getting up to some stuff" in Neil's words, then sending him back where he carries out his mission in the first film.
It would be great. Tenet is protagonist being inexperienced with Neil knowing everything. Tenet "sequel" would be Protagonist knowing everything and Neil knowing little until trained. And the Protagonist would meet Neil knowing he'd have to be sent back to die, as he's already witnessed it. Sad.
Well Tenet is the Sequel to the First Movie
I’m still so confused, but entertained
My patience is waning,is this entertaining?
when the "breakdown" doesn't make sense to you either....
Yeah my mind is still frazzled too
⏩ Fast forward and rewind ⏪
I’ve been trying to tell everyone if you really breakdown the scenes it doesn’t make sense. Go back and try to figure out how the gun started in the airport vault.
The movie doesn't make sense, so don't be too hard on yourself.
Just like the lady says in the movie; "don't try to understand it."
@@KIager it does actually, this video just give more clarity in this scene for example. If u still cant comprehend it, this channel already gave other video that explain another scene from the movie that is easier to understand.
The fact that “what’s happened happened” is what actually locks everything into place. Regardless of everything, this was always going to happen.
something crazy I didn't notice at first is that when Red team sees Blue team first arriving at the battle in reverse at about 2:01:07 (the end of the battle for Blue team), they see someone being carried on a stretcher. I was really confused about the gate scene because if Neil died in reverse and his dead body is just traveling backwards, then that begs the question when does his body appear there from the forward perspective? it seems like it would have to materialize out of thin air or reverse decompose or something. but what makes the most sense is that Blue team already knows Neil died and therefore goes back to retrieve his body at the end of their mission (and the beginning of red's). So from the forward perspective, the first thing you would see is blue team reverse carrying a stretcher to the gated area, dumping it, then leaving. shortly after that Volkov arrives, followed by TP and Ives
Honestly that’s a good question
This is the most correct answer in my opinion. But thinking about this is hilarious, imagine seeing Blue team just dump the body there and you're like, "wtf?"
Blue Team: "It's a secret tool for later"
the blue team person on the stretcher could be the one that gets blown into the building at 2 : 05 : 39 (movie time)
@@jamesmnguyen it would seem that way by the red team, right? the blue team is inverted so from their perspective, they arrived at the scene after neil's been shot but before protagonist, ives and volkov arrived?
@@jamesmnguyen Before dumping the body there, they should obtain the body somewhere. Where did they take the body? Dug up in a cemetery?
An entire channel dedicated to explaining Tenet. We need more of this and more Christopher Nolan movies like this
you know a movie is good when you have people making 3d explanations of the scenes lol
Yup
No... not really...A movie that is hard to understand doesn‘t equal to being good...
@@alchemist9883 all movies are not same, just like all audiance are not same. Some enjoy movies which challenges their IQ. Some enjoy comedy or idiotic illogical film that will put even apes to shame.
Memento, Interstellar, Inception, Prestige or even Dunkirk are very unique, ingenious type of films in these superhero sequel era where nothing us original.
Plus, Nolan has massive cult following for a reason. If you can't enjoy his film which truly needs high IQ, then you shouldn't be watching it in the first place
Peace.
Not sure how that makes a movie "good".
@@random_name3977 some people enjoy movies that challenges your cerebral. And some enjoy lazy spoon feeding. Cinema is vast experience. You can't generalise what movies are good/bad. If you don't like it, good. That doesn't mean your PoV is representation of all moviegoers.
Nolan enjoyed including as many paradoxes as he could in this one. Coming into contact with yourself causing "annihilation" (suggested but not shown), the grandfather paradox (mentioned) and even the bootstrap paradox (Definitely happening) While it may be accepted as the "Protagonist's plan", he only knew to do it from experience with the past, not technically coming up with the idea itself. Who is the original 'true' Protagonist? Who composed Beethoven's 5th? Perhaps it was Nolan.
We need this for the car chase too, how did sator get the last algorithm part?
Working on that one now. Its alot more complex. But it will show how.
The algorithm is in the grey car..the car that inverted protagonist drove
just think about it from the cars perspective in forward moving time. 1. It's flipped over on highway, 2. it fixes itself and receives the algorithm from forward moving protagonist, 3. inverted protagonist drives the car back to the turnstile (from his perspective he's moving forward), 4. inverted protagonist leaves the car backward and heads to the turnstile, 5. the car is left there with the algorithm and at some point after the whole Estonia action scene sator or his men retrieve it (they have to use a turnstile again since last we saw them they were inverted
@@Mr47steam actually we can go back even further since ives and his man safe the protagonist after sator blows up the crashed car, heres what happens in normal time: 1. ives and his men place the crashed saab on the highway 2. they put protagonist in the car 3. car blows up backwards 4. car uncrashes 5. etc
Its in the car before Protagonist gets in, he checks the back seat when he gets in, remember. So in forward time it was taken when the car was parked outside before P gets in.
OMG best explanation of this! I was SO confused on this part even after reading so many explanations.
the bullet he made is wrong way
@@trileobayu2023 Something is wrong with Volkov's shot in Niel.
@@NoobMasterGamer2759 see my long explanation in my comment in this video.. could be somewhere
@@trileobayu2023 lol “Find my longer comment out of 2100 comments in this video”
There are only two possible explanations for the fate of the bullet in Neil's head:
either it was a pass-through shot (closing the wound as passing through the inverted head, so Neil can happily back-hopping away to the entrance while the others keep fighting),
OR Neil's head acted as turnstile for the bullet (presumingly the effect on a little regular mass in a big chunk of inverted one): following the regular flow of time, in the past of the cave, the undisturbed Neil's corpse spontaneously assemble from the environment with the bullet in its wound; the bullet being inverted as all the rest; then, at the right moment, Neil rises back to life and straight in front of the door to receive the incoming regular bullet; the two bullets (regular and inverted) rejoin and disappear into the past (mirrored pair from the past, merge and disappear; mirrored pair from the future, appear and split).
I find the 2nd hypothesis more consistent with the narrative of the movie because otherwise the whole universe-large sequence could have been possible ONLY if the bullet was a pass-through. The physical pattern (call it cause-effect, past-fututre, or here now - there then) of the entire universe should be bound to a small local pattern, which is not what we see elsewhere.
The turnstile effect must be part of the narrative and indeed there are some references in the movie to that effect: a couple of times it's explained (Neil, Wheeler, ...) that reversed object travel against the pushing flow of the regular enviroment:
"But because the environment essentially flows in our direction we dominate. They're always swimming upstream. It's what saved your life. Inverted explosion was pushing against the environment. Pissing in the wind."
This, logically, must be true the other way around: if submerged in an inverted environment, a regular object travels "upstream"... until, if it's small enough, it is reversed to follow the flow.
I'd add: Neil didn't know he was going to die in the cave at the time he "decided" to go reversed to open the door and The Protagonist was unsure whether to tell him. Niel might have guessed he was going to die by not seeing himself hopping back out from the cave moments before extracting his friends from the hole and the explosion, but the main entrance was out of sight, so...
Neil never saw himself coming out of either entry, he knew he'd die most likely
I’m not even sure if I’ve even seen the movie yet...
Then don't
Trust me you'd know...
What's happened, happened
I dont think this spoiled anything I'm confused as heck
“We saw this movie?”
“It hasn’t happened yet.”
Nolan thinks in 5D Holy shit, how do you even come with a script like this.
He was sitting on the idea for 5+ years, I think it's pretty clear that he overthunk a few parts. Regardless of whether the time travel minutia holds up to scrutiny, the fact remains that it's virtually impossible for a layman to understand what the fuck is happening on a first viewing. If your audience needs to go out of their way to find a third party to break it down for them just so they can START to grasp the situation means that there was a massive failure to communicate information on the part of the creator
@@Legacy0901 Well, 20 years. He first visualised it while doing the reverse bullet scene for memento.
[spoiler warning]
i remember inverted protagonis can feel his pain and his arm bleeding before go into Rotas freeport turnslide, so.... im imagining inverted neil already has hole in his head when he goes down to the tunnel to open the door.
Jesus Christ
nasty.. poor niel
holy shit
In protagonist's situation -
Forward protagonist: The bullet hits is arm , severe bleeding (great pain) -> He recovers & bleeding reduces each day (reducing pain) -> one day he is completely recovered (pain stops).
For inverted protagonist: One day out of sudden his arm will pain (pain starts) -> Each day bleeding increases (growing pain) -> The day at the airport pain is its most intense then, severe bleeding and then in a moment, his arm is complete back to normal, all healed.
In Neil's situation -
Forward Neil: He is completely fine -> A single hit to head -> Drop dead
For inverted Neil: He cannot be dead at the start so no hole at all ! Severe pain directly starts a moment before bullet comes out of his head then in a moment after the bullet is out of his head, he is completely normal again.
Wrong theory.
I think there's way more time between Neils goodbye scene and his death scene considering he also shows up at the opera in the beginning of the film. And he also leaves the battlefield in a helicopter.
It's possible, though he has been a part of Tenet for years at this point so it is likely the other stuff he did was just unrelated. Personally I think the film should have been from Neil's perspective starting with the foundation of Tenet and the protagonist mentoring him - maybe split into two films if necessary.
@@maxjones503 I agree! Watching this film from Neils perspective would be very interesting.
Something tells me you're somewhat correct in thinking this
It was also coincidental that the Stalsk-12 Battle and the Kyiv Opera Siege, along with Kat's time loop in Vietnam(she had mentioned seeing a woman dive off the yacht, when that was really HER having inverted from the future.), all happened on the same day, the 14th.
Still love thinking about this movie. People were discussing the part where forward Neil would have the bullet in his head until he inverted and then was unshot, but I think it makes more sense if you have the bullet penetrate his helmet/head (maybe even at a different angle due to impact w the helmet going in). That way, when he gets unshot, it's just like when Sator shot Kat with the inverted round: the bullet flies out of the wall in the cave, pierces through Neil's head, killing him, and back into Volkov's gun.
that would be the most simplest way to avoid the whole thing. even if it was stuck inside his helmet on the other side of his head.
I have plenty of other Tenet videos on the channel, but in the script, it does say exactly what happens. The bullet goes into his head and is "Absorbed".
So, from Neil's perspective, everything is fine. And then suddenly, a bullet "un-Absorbs" in his head and is ripped out back to Volkov's gun.
Why does it do this? Not sure, unfortunately.
Making 3D models explaining complicated movie scenes is pretty cool.
it's really just me trying to figure it all out too. And timing it all out in 3D helped me wrap my head around what is going on, and also pointing questionable things.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill please do one for the journey to airport scene
@@lockedin6699 I am working on the Airport fight now, actually. sometime next week.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill You're doing the work of God. And by God I mean Nolan.
Thank you for making this video, now i just have to repeat it over and over and over again just to understand what actually happened
It’s funny how even after you marked locked/unlocked state of the lock and showed events from both time directions, people still can’t COMPREHEND how reversed one can unlock conventional door AFTER he went through it.
Ives definitely wouldn't let them get into chopper with that linear thinking 🙃
You're the hero we don't deserve, but the hero we needed.
If you think about it Ives said “What time, that’s up for every man to decide” meaning it’s possible Neil waited till he got old to perform that save. Then again I was confused up until now so I may be trippin’
It is technically possible for him to wait. The only reason I think he didn't was because he is wearing the same outfit when we see him inverted and die.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill wait what?
how could he invert for years at a time. he would need a constant supply of oxygen and constant access to the revolving door inverters in order to refresh his supplies. the whole movie hinges on Neil going back in time to affect every event one last time but they explained you need oxygen while inverted.
@@joeking5679 I think it could be done. Tenet has the resources. It just seems like too much of a hassle. To sit on that ship for years or some room with inverted air , I'd go insane. lol.
10 years from now, I hope the movie gets its appreciation.
I want to bury it in the desert with all the E.T. video game cartridges.
It's amazing how this awesome soundtrack played backwards is still as good as played forwards
I’ve given up trying to understand this part
There's 3 Neils (in this particular location, anyway.) He starts the mission with the blue team, going backwards through time, until he sees the trip mine being set halfway through. Then he switches to moving forward in time to try to warn Ives and the Protagonist (at the same time he's doing this, he's still with the blue team, moving backwards through time, just like the Protagonist fought himself earlier in the movie.) When he fails to warn them in time, he lowers the rope for Ives and the Protagonist to grab on to and pull them out. After he pulls them out and they have their final conversation, he realizes that the random guy who opened the gate could ONLY have been himself, so he inverts himself AGAIN, to go backwards in time, opens the gate for Ives and the Protagonist, and takes the bullet to save them, finally dying. That's the best understanding of it I have, and as best I can explain it anyway.
@@DariusOfPersia you're my hero
@@kervinruizfigueroa4348 That's the same version of himself coming out of the turnstile on the other side. Remember that you have to make sure you see yourself coming out the other side for the inversion to work
amazing work man! its a lot easier to understand now, this was the missing puzzle piece! Would also like to see that with the car chase. I think the algorithm got stolen out of the grey car after the inverted protagonist entered it the first time (from regular time´s perspektive)
Thanks. I am literally working on the car scene now. Its much more complex. You are right, the algorithm ends up in the Grey SAAB car, which Sator's goons retrieve after the Protagonist goes into the turnstile. I am alittle puzzled if the car that Sator climbs into/out of from the SUV is inverted or not. It doesn't seem to be.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Just trying to help. In the car chase, Sator uses two cars, one inverted and the other not inverted (SUV is inverted, grey car is not inverted). In fact, I think that during some frames of the car exchange we can see that the driver of the grey car isn't using oxygen mask. And I read somewhere or seen some video that stated that probably Sator, seeing the algorithm trade between Inverted Protag and Forward Protag, asked his driver to follow the Saab going backwards and steal the piece. Hope this helps!
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill did Neil die?
@@mazart612 did you not see the movie? I shouldn't tell you either way and spoil anything,..lol.
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill I own it and have seen it over 10 times. I'm asking your personal opinion
Wow, finally find a vid that talks about the tunnel exit's rock, well done
Finally watched the movie ( IDK why but I'm bad at watching Nolan movies in a timely manner) and this breakdown helped me understand the scene a ton. It was really the only one that truly baffled me. Thanks a ton!
Wow thank you for this! I think the most mind bending part of this movie is (well 2, first being that Nolan thought and wrote it and) that the characters would have to comprehend and made decisions so incredibly fast in order for the plot to make sense
Thanks so much, I can't stop thinking about this movie and this scene.
I'm gonna show this to my Physics professor
Great visualization! This is the most complex scene ever watched on screen, thanks to Nolan. @Welby CoffeeSpill presented in such a way normal person like me also understand. @Welby CoffeeSpill is great. Thanks 🙏 @Welby CoffeeSpill!
Thank you!! This was my first Tenet video! Still have more to make!
I don’t think I’ll ever fully understand this movie, but that’s what makes it so watchable.
I love your video! Makes things very clear and your theory about how he enters the blasted tunnel is creative and smart as well! But I am not sure whether it really works out concerning the time he has to get into the tunnel.
I'd like to add some time stamps so to say to some crucial moments. Let's not make it too complicated and just pretend there is just one clock starting at 0:00 with the red team starting their mission (blue team being exfiltrated) and lasting 10 minutes until 10:00 when the explosion goes off and the blue team starts their mission (red team being exfiltrated). So halfway through the battle at around 5:00 both teams are at the entrance to the cave which will be blasted a few seconds later when the Protagonist and Ives enter. So they both leave the cave through the hole in the roof seconds before the explosion goes off. When Ives finally enters Neil runs out of the cave. This should be at around 9:00.
Now you aren't specific about whether the blue team that opens the tunnel is the regular blue team or another blue splinter unit just like Ives and the Protagonist are for the red team. Let's discuss both possibilities. But first of all let's clear that in order for this whole operation to work neither the enemy must notice that there is someone else entering the tunnel because they could adapt their own temporal pincer movement to this. They have think they won. They have to think no one took the algorithm. Also this splinter unit of Neil's must not be seen by the other Tenet agents including himself (his younger self) and the Protagonist and Ives in order for his younger self to run off to invert himself to get the car to pull out his mates out of the cave in the first place.
Now let's assume it's the regular blue team reopening the tunnel: From Neil's perspective the latest moment he has to enter is at 9:00 or if we follow what I wrote first maybe even at 9:30 because he is moving backwards through time. From his perspective the explosion goes off and moments later he enters the tunnel. This is impossible for the blue team to make because they need 4 to 5 minutes to get to the entrance at about 6:00 or 5:00 from the perspective of the blue team. At around 9:00 the regular blue team is still running down the hill (red team running up). So it can't be the regular blue team helping him there. It's either him alone or maybe he is supported by 2-3 other agents who are part of another splinter unit. All of them would have to be inverted of course. To conclude it doesn't make sense that the regular blue team reopens the cave because they are simply too slow to do so. Also Neil and the rest of the team would have been briefed before the operation that they had to do something against it. That's obviously not the case as he improvises when he sees that the entrance is trapped. Neither the red or blue team are aware that the entrance will blow up in the first place.
This brings us to the 2nd possibilty that Neil alone or Neil with 2-3 other agents might be another splinter unit no one knows about which is there minutes before the regular blue team arrives. Your theory could still work if we assume that Neil and his team run off for the turnstile in Stalsk. Then they could go there at 14:00 (4 minutes after the operation ended) and they had 5 minutes to get to the tunnel and open it. But I find this hard to believe because from what we know Stalsk was under control of Sator BEFORE and AFTER this whole operation. Keep in mind that it's Sators home in a way and most of the events of the movie take place after this event. It happens at the same time as the opera scene. So a younger Sator (who didn't die yet) knows that there will be an explosion as Michael Cain's character does too. He just has to defend the place for ten minutes because there are no Tenet agents before and after. So at 14:00 it's under his control and his mercenaries are preparing for Tenet to engage. I don't think that Neil and up to 3 agents would have been able to use the turnstile at this moment as it is his most important way to fight his enemies. It's a completely other thing when Neil inverts himself there DURING the fight because the incoming red and blue team distract the enemy so he can do it.
MY THEORY:
Like that I come to the conlcusion that Neil has to invert himself on that Tenet ship again and actually start off before the blue team does because he needs more time. Maybe he gets there pretty close with another car or just sneak in from the side while the incoming red and blue team distract the enemy. So he waits and when the moment is right he starts his operation. We know that he is good in sneaking from the opera scene and as well his first move in Stalsk getting into the Turnstile and getting the car.
My idea is that he actually used a NON inverted explosive to get in while he is inverted. In general an explosive is effective and fast as he doesn't have time to completely clear the entrance by hand. Let me explain: In the beginning of the movie we see the Protagonist use an inverted gun whitch catches the bullet. When an inverted person uses a normal weapon it works the same way from his perspective. It's just the other way around. It doesn't matter what kind of explosive it is but maybe let's just pick a rocket launcher to compare it to a gun.
So from his perspective Neil is running to the entrance (at 9:00 or something like that) with an EMPTY (!) rocket launcher and there is already a (tiny) hole in the entrance to get in. So he enters, turns around and then points the launcher into the direction of the entrance, he pulls the trigger of the launcher and he catches the rocket from the debris that was there before (at around 8:30). Like that he will reclose the entrance again like nothing happened. At 8:00 he will be in the cave itself.
Let me make this clearer from the perspective of someone who is NOT inverted and is watching from the outside. This will help a lot understanding this. This observer would see (if he gets close enough) from minute 5:00 to 7:59 that there is just a closed entrance. But suddenly at 8:00 there would be an explosion from the inside reopening the entrance. Then there would a person (Neil) getting out of the entrance inverted (!) running backwards with an empy rocket launcher (which he just used) and run away.
Neither the enemies nor the red and blue team will notice any of this. For the red team this will happen when they are already 3 minutes further to the exfiltration point up the hill. So this will happen way later for them. 2 minutes later at 10:00 the huge explosion in the cave will take place covering up Neil's hide and seek operation and there will be no chance to notice any of this has happened. For team blue there would be a visible hole from 10:00 to 8:00 in reverse but they only get there at 6 or something like that. Because at 8 any evidence will vanish just like for Neil himself: In the moment he pulls the trigger the entrance will just be like before.
That's quite an epic post. Lol. Yes, I was concerned with him not having real time to clear it to get in. I love the idea of inverted Neil using a non inverted Rocket launcher. I wish Nolan showed us more about how he got into the tunnel. Thanks!
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill Thank you for appreciating! Yeah, hard to make things about Tenet short :D It really is kind of a "plot hole" there. Not necessarily in a negative way because one has to think for himself but this one is really hard. It's just too much that is unclear. To be honest I don't think my theory is what Nolan had in mind because then he would have at least teased it. It would have been some kind of beautiful movie composition because in the very beginning a non inverted Neil saved the Protagonist with an inverted gun and with this it would be the other way around kind of closing the loop.
I would love to get a Tenet 2 with Denzel Washington playing the older version of the Protagonist who founded Tenet in the first place. Would be great to see Denzel guiding Neil and Neil meeting the young Protagonist for the first time when he is recruited. Great moment would be if Denzel and John David met somewhere in the middle for some final exchange.
I actually storyboarded this to explain it to the crew but inverted me kept changing it.
What an explanation. thanks ❤ this movie gets better after every rewatch
This actually helped a lot. I watched it last month. I still pops in my head how things are done in this movie😂
This is great, my only problem is how inverted objects, people or items interact with non inverted people and objects. It's a pretty simple concept to follow until interacting time flows intersect.
look at the bullet scene again.
Dont think the 3D rendering showed the bullet right but i figured it out for this scene.
when time is going forward, bullet is actually being caught by Volkov.
When time is going backwards, bullet is actually be shot into Neil.
Took a me while to understand that.
Direction of photons is another problem
@@thegod2291 Hey lowercase god. Please explain. This has caught my eye.
@@TheBreezus wdym?
Well done.
It's good you added the names over the characters. Save time from ppl asking who's who.
Edit:
The theory on 2nd Blue Team cleared the rubbles for Neil makes sense in a way.
Expanding on that theory, the 2nd Blue Team would've been the Red Team after the Battle of Stalsk-12, since Neil mention he'll get them on the next pass (inversion).
Thank for putting this together. It took me like 4 times watching this scene to make sense out of it.
I figured as much when watching the movie, but love this breakdown. Fantastic work!
I dig it . Great work man 👍🏻
Love to see more of these for the talinn car chase and oslo freeport.
Oslo freeport!!!!
thank god their was nothing like this in BATMAN
WHERE IS HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I posted this comment on another video already, but I've been thinking about it and I think it makes sense?
My thinking:
From Neil's perspective it's
1) Bullet on the other side of him
2) It's coming towards him and *creates* a hole in the back of his head
3) It's through him and *creates* the hole in the front of his head
4) It goes into the gun
From normal time perspective, everything is backwards:
1) The gun is shot
2) The hole in the front of his head is *"healed"*
3) The hold in the back of the head is *"healed"*
4) The bullet is through him now
In essence, shooting the gun through his head "heals" him from the normal time perspective, and he would not need to have a hole or a bullet in his head for his entire lifetime up until that point. Which is what we see, in forward time the gun is shot, inverted Neil stands up, and reverse runs out.
I guess the only question that is debatable (and genuinely so) is if a bullet could actually pass through a head like that. But I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and call it science fiction. But theoretically, if the bullet passes cleanly through him, the logic works.
The part missing from this diagram and only glanced over in the movie is that, from Neil’s prospective, he runs in and sees the protagonist, Ives, and Sator’s man locked in the room. Neil picks the lock to get in. Then he waits for TP and Ives to get out of the room, at which point Neil closes and locks the door behind him. Lastly, he is shot in the head. He never knows about Ives get knocked out. His mission is to pick the lock to get himself in, and lock the door so that in forward time he is unlocking the door.
Christopher Nolan: “yes, exactly”
No. If reversed Neil from the hypocenter forwarded and saved the protagonist from final blast means? What about the forwarded version of inverted Neil from war zone saw the bomb setup ?
Neil: so I'm gonna close and lock this door I just opened.
He can't change anything, he had to do everything correctly without changing things even for a bit, because otherwise he would create a paradox in *his* timeline, then they could lose, and Sator could win thus meaning the operation could fail and the world could be lost. The risk it's too big...
Since he knew from Ives and TP that the door under the cave was close until somebody "opened" it (from the audience and TP's POV) so, inverted Neil has to close the door (From his POV) in order from the protagonist's POV will appear that the Inverted Tenet Agent opened the door..
*Sorry for my bad english*
@@cprw10 dead on
@@cprw10 Implying that he even could change anything. What happened happened. TP himself questions free will.
For anyone confused, watch this on 0.25x speed. Inverted Neal (relatively forward) runs in, and supposedly lockpicks the gate, holds it open for TP and Ives to get sucked out, manifests an inverted bullet wound in the head. Closes the gate, and then gets the bullet sucked out of his head (because its a forward bullet, and hes inverted) and then dies
Thank you so much for this. I've watched the movie 3 times now and I still never understood this part. It makes sense tho
but he made the bullet direct in wrong way. from TP view, neil actually got shot by inverted bullet
@@trileobayu2023 yeah this was something I was also a little confused on. Because the bullet is in Neil when they come up to him... unless he was bloodied from being shot but the bullet hadn’t connected yet because the bullet actually is normal. If that makes sense? Like his body had the effect of being shot by a normal bullet even though it hadn’t hit him yet
@@bjcooper4365 yes it is, just like ~TP got stabbed by normal TP
hurt > his wound open > bleeding > got stab > no wound at all
if ~Neil shot by normal bullet, Neil should be bleed first
Only 3 times? Amateur!!!
@@ashishkumarmishra2951 This was from 5 months ago lol I don’t even think it was on blu-ray yet. I’ve seen it 8 now. Maybe 10… I’ve lost count. But yeah, my favorite movie of all time.
0:16 I think the bullet actually was reversed. I don't know why that would be the case, but it makes more sense: dead Neil suddenly 'gets up' and the bullet gets out of his head and into the gun.
Yep there is something wrong in here and i'm trying to find it. how is he die?
I'm a bit late for this Reply but i just can't understand where that bullet came from,
was it inside Neil's head all this time?
the bullet actually travel back from neil’s head in the original timeline.
the bullet is still on his head on normal timeline
@@louiejohncastillo9822 how the fuck is that possible
An inverted bullet
thanks for this great video, best way to try to understand what happened but I still just cannot wrap my head around it, ARRRGH!
Trying to fully understand how the inverted-normal matter interact is futile, you cannot make sense of what is, essentially, a paradox.
For example, the conversation across the turnstile window, it's not just that the other person is talking backwards, they are answering your questions before you make them.
Or, if you send something through the turnstile and it goes past (I mean, before) the moment the turnstile was created (as it is the case for the instructions to build the first turnstile), in which moment does it "appear" from a forward time observer? Does it go all the way to the Big Bang?
Also, besides not being able to breath "non inverted" air, light is going backwards too! you're essentially blind after going through the turnstile.
Enjoy the movie for what it is, an amazing soft-sci-fi action-thriller, and don't think too much about the details because it will f*ck your mind even more.
It's kind of scary to see this in the middle of the night
True...I think it’s the elevation of the music with the God eye perspective
As I see it, Neil actually didn’t die. If you think about it, with him being in the reverse timeline the bullet would have already had to be in his head in order to be able to jump back into the gun. Just like with the stab wound which suddenly appeared and healed in reverse only that for him with a bullet penetration in his head it would be fatal. So he would be dead already when he holds the door open and that’s obviously not possible. Instead, I think that the bullet gets somehow stopped by his helmet and never actually enters his head and kills him, that’s the only way this could work out of his pov. An indication for that is that he unlocks the door after he appears to get shot, or in his pov, he locks the door after the bullet jumps back into the gun, which means that he has to be alive in order to do so. If you’re asking yourself why he has to and does lock the door in his timeline / pov in order to unlock it in the protagonists pov, that’s a whole different story to explain which would make this comment for to long. But in conclusion, I would say Neil is not actually dead because this scene otherwise would not work and Nolan actually left a clue which supports this thesis, by making Neil act (unlock the door) (protagonists pov) when he actually should be nothing but a lifeless corps.
Neil is most likely dead. A face mask full of blood can be seen.
You are correct that you cannot be Dead before you are Alive. That is a Grandfather Paradox and the universe just doesn't allow it.
Protagonist's wound slowly forms as it approaches the moment it is unstabbed and healed.
Neil's head wound cannot do so slowly( you can't be dead before you are alive). So it instead forms instantly at the moment the bullet is fired and kills him in the direction of his own entropy, forward for him, but observed inverted for us.
I tried to explore it in this video.
th-cam.com/video/Qv-bJIcZebc/w-d-xo.html
Excellent! And thanks for leading me to this vid, Welby!
From Neil's perspective when he came he pushed the door.
door gets automatically unlocks due to inverse entropy of Neil (same as bullet moves before touching it; now neil is reverse so from his perspective lock and door is inversed).
After opening door he comes inside allowes both to go behind door locks door, takes inverse bullet and dies. (He lockes door; here it means he follows procedure of unlocking in reverse way as he had the same practice many times before e.g. at Freeport of Oslo)
So no any Paradox or something.
Palindrom:
SATOR
AREPO
TENET
OPERA
ROTAS
awesome...
Wait, but what happened in the opera was, a man with a red tricket on his bag saved the protagonist.
Is it possible that after levitating the progonist and Ive from the explosion in the hole, Neil first go to the opera via the helicopter that we saw in the scene? Then Neil goes back to opera to save the protagonist. And probably also changing the pills from CIA agent. Then only he goes back to the battle field in Stalsk 12 (via the turnstile) to shield the protagonist from the bullet?
Honestly? that is all VERY possible and only makes Neil look THAT much more amazing as a character, truly an awesome person, what a role
If you analyze Laura’s bureau in the movie, there are vintage things all over the place
Old phone, old computer, old screen , wires on the ground in the middle of the place , vintage horloge...you name it
I can guess that maybe they use that old stuff so that nothing is 'saved' or sent to the internet where the future can dig it up and get info. Good catch.
That was the most confusing part for me, thanks for your illustrations now it is very clear for me 👍
From Volkov's perspective: The bullet came through the first layer of the helmet, went through Neil's skull, and stop inside Neil's helmet.
From Neil's perspective: he felt a reversing bullet forming inside his helmet, went back through his skull, backing through the first layer of his helmet, and went back to Volkov gun.
That's why PT didn't die when standing aligning with Neil.
And why Neil never felt a scar or headache several years before the event (because if the bullet stayed inside his head, which made him dead, the past of him will felt some headache cuz scar and the wound would have started to form in his head -> so the bullet went through -> so he didn't die! . This just like the event of reversing PT got stapped at the airport, he first got some blood dropped, felt the stapping, and immediately no scratch when that stapping undone!)
At the end of the film which the time flows inversing in Neil's perspective: He felt unconscious cuz the impact of the reversing bullet.
If we go forward on his timeline, you then see him waking up for like a couple of hours later - the before of everything happened - leaving the place, thus no one ever sees a corpse, or a skeleton or a dead body there to become cautiously and thus alerting the upcoming raid!
Neil: I got a bullet in my head since I was born.
No matter how many times I watch this movie, it still hurts my head trying to figure everything out linear. Nolan made an awesome movie
Look, don't get on the chopper if you can't stop thinking in linear terms.
This really made me want to watch the movie now. Even more so, that I now know, that this scene would've confused me if I were to watch it before.
The question I have with injuries and death in tenet is, if a forward bullet shoots an inverted person and the bullet's stuck in Neil's head, as seen in this video, from Neil's perspective, was the bullet there the entire time?
Very good point. When inverted protagonist emerged from the Oslo turnstile (in his perspective, he was entering it), he was stabbed by the forward protagonist. He had a bleeding stab wound and a hole in his shirt while in the shipping container.
So in that sense,, yes, inverted Neil should have been carrying some kind of wound when he held the gate open and left up the tunnel.
Oh. So in fact Ives is just knocked down. To me he was dead by Volkov's shot and I didn't understand why he was magically resurrected after the opening of the door. Makes more sense now.
I did not realize this was even going on wtf thanks for this
it is so damn cool that you made this!! thank you!
I think the problem with the movie is that the turnstile wasn’t explained enough for the audience. I assume they wanted a big whiz and bang teleportation. It’s just so simple it’s almost confusing but the ambiguity is purposeful like the technology used for entering dreams in Inception.
that's called shitty writing
@@MysteryScienceGaming Do you think Star Wars has shitty writing because it doesn't explain the technology of a lightsaber?
@@aolson1111 no because one is a lightsaber and the other is time travel. Also, Star wars takes place at a time where advanced technology is everywhere. Tenet does not. In fact, the whole movie is based on a very specific piece of technology just like Inception was and we get no real explanation behind it. That aside the movie was good. Lead actor was a horrible choice and not a good actor which really bugged me.
Watched the movie 2 times, still understood like maybe 50% of it. How in the world was Nolan able to actually write this movie?? Insane.
Neurodivergence
the fact that with time the dead body of neil will un-decay and appear out of nowhere in that tunnel and nobody remove it from there because it has happened, is just the most nolan thing.
I like to think that base has been pretty much abandoned due to the lingering radiation from its history. Especially that hypocenter cavern.
And only until Volkov went in there to set the place up has anyone been in there for years. So no one would really be around to see a body un-decay.
I imagine Neil's body would slide off that grate and into the pit too eventually.
But there is no getting around that Volkov did see that body there when he went in this time. He chose to ignore it.
There was a battle going on outside, maybe he figured this was one of them and was killed by a guard and he had more pressing matters to attend to.
Why are people hating on Tenet so much? Coz according to me it's the best time travel movie of our century
I choose to believe the bullet that killed Neil barely got through his head but got stopped in the gas mask he was wearing, so he would see/feel it bounce around the inside of the mask for a few moments before it pulled out through his head back into the gun killing him
That's kind of horrifying lol
Inverted Nil went into tunnel through roof hole, explosed by Volkov trapwirebomb, you can see it in film there is lights beams in the celling when Protoagonist and Ives run through tunnel.
I see the light. Its certainly possible. Though TP says" we're committed now". Implying there is no going back that way. Perhaps he just doesn't realize it's not totally blocked.
Please elaborate
Beautifully done, thank you
Movie is a trip, even the title is forward and backwards
Along with the portrait
Omg !!! I needed this !!! Thanks
You don't understand. If you do please explain
This actually makes sense to me now. Neil is in closed loop. Poor guy - he has to die everytime. Stuck in a paradox
So is like everyone else in the film lol. The whole film is one huge Temper Pincer Movement.
@@davidespejo7255 Temporal
Only Nolan's crazy mind would come up with a movie like that. 😁
This is almost correct. At 0:18, you show that Neil unlocks the door. This would mean, from Neil's perspective, he locks the door. That doesn't make much sense. There is no need for Neil to lock the door after already letting the Protagonist and Ives through the gate. Not to mention, he would not be able to lock it after taking the shot in the head. In truth, Neil locking that door was an accident.
If you watch the actual scene again, the door unlocks by itself (from the Protagonist's perspective). You can hear and see the latch unlock, and no one is touching the latch when it happens. This is because as Neil takes the shot in his time frame, he accidently pushes/falls on the door. This momentum pushes the door shut. As the door closes, it locks itself. The door's latch has to be self-locking. If you have the time, view the scene again and let me know what you think
Great work bro 👍
Sorta...
10 years ago, my mind trying to understand time travel theory.
Now my mind trying to understand Inversion theory.
But it is time travel as well. When you imagine, that you would invert yourself, consequences of your action would be instantinious like if you would "time travelled". For instance take the protagonist scene where he fighted himself even before he got inverted
Couple of inconsistencies in this model. 1. Neil was facing Volkov when he “fired the gun”. 2. The shot should be shown coming out of/through Neil’s head towards the gun.
Guys.Situation is simple.The bullet goes forward.(in the present).The bullet is not inverted.
Neil's POV the bullet "appears" when he is "open" the gate.(because he is going forward in the past and unluckily he is standing between the bullet and Protagonist).
I want to see Volkov's perspective when he reached the tunnel. Was the door opened when? Was there Neil's dead body when he reached?
he probably unlocked it,..went in,..and locked it again. But yeah,...he probably saw the dead body and was like,..umm,...ok. I'll just step over you. lol
@@WelbyCoffeeSpill so inverted neil had that bullet inside his head?
@@bala3508 yes I think. Coz in our perspective Volkov catches the bullet from Neil's head
Which is from Neil's perspective, he got shot
@@naufalkhoiruzaqi954 i think the bullet materialized in the air at the moment Neil change the future by saving protagonist’s life
( that’s how I explain we never see a protagonist deadcorpse during the tunnel fight)
The simple fact the bullet stayed in neil’s head without creating brain damage trough all the movie is not very plausible
And ...the rotas metal detector will notice at the freeport I think
@@TheLio666 dude we need more people to respond to this
This is incredible and I still don't have a fucking clue what's going on
The biggest issue seems to be: the way they presented the bullet vs the way they presented the knife.
When TP gets stabbed with a knife, he has the wound before that gets healed with the stab. (in inverted time)
When Neil gets shot, he shows no indication of having a hole in his head before the stab (in his inverted time)
Basically the movie's logic works one way in one case, and another way in another case.
since it's unreasonable to expect Neil to walk around with a hole in his head, it's the knife scene that should be changed.
in inverted time, ITP gets knifed, then heals over time.
In forward time, the ITP is already injured, and when he gets stabbed, it heals his wound.
If you were stabbed with an inverted knife, you'd just heal over time
From the inverted time POV you'd already be injured and then the stab would heal you.
This way it's consistent in both directions, from either one's PoV.
I really think the knife scene is the one that created this inconsistency, though it might have been done that way to cover for some other paradox I can't think of.
However, essentially travel forward and backward in time and both of them interacting is impossible. Like, mathematically impossible. I tried creating simulations of particles that run both backwards and forwards in time and it just creates an unsolvable equation where you need to know the future, to know what's going to happen now, and it's literally impossible to simulate something like this. So I'm not surprised the movie has some unsolved paradoxes that would only be solved essentially by magic.
In the knife case, TP is inverted and gets 'unknifed' so he heals. In Neil's case, he is inverted but he doesn't get 'unshot'...he gets shot in inverted sense. The gun is maybe inverted or maybe thats how gun works with inverted objects (just how TP and Neil's car's side view mirror develops cracks and get straightened after getting hit with inverted car in car chase scene). That is why there is no question of him feeling any pain. Make sense?
I have been waiting for a "How it should have ended" on Tenet. The reversed Neil had at least two chances to stop Volkov: 1) As he watches Volkov plants the bomb. 2) As he enters this room, why not unshoot Volkov first before locking the door.