Fascinating first ride review....without the usual 'popular' bias that we see so often. But as a 65 year old VStrom 650 owner, I'll just stay over here in the corner in my rocking chair and try not to bother anyone. 😉
@@KevinPartington-c2s 60 here also DL650..I'm interested in the 800DE, like the upgraded suspension and wheel size but the tubed rims are a NO GO.. WTF Suzuki...?
Love your reviews mate. Only channel that I watch every single video when it comes out. Good quality commentary, great insight, great footage and covers everything you would want to know. All this with a trails focus and without the excessive editing fluff of other channels. Cheers 👍.
Imho you're an exceptional bike reviewer. No drama, simple, knows what he's talking about and always to the point. In just a couple of minutes you mention some very important aspects that get completely overlooked by the others. Really enjoy watching your vids🤘
Your style of review is so good at summarising a bikes character. I fancied a Himalayan and your summary matched my requirements, so I bought one. Strange thing is, I don`t fancy one of these, but still watched anyway. You talk nothing but sense, and that is appealing.
A fresh opinion. Your reviews are always worth watching simply because they are your reviews you don't drag a lot of baggage and second hand views with you. Good job. Thank you. 👍
I keep posting on videos praising my 2014 VStrom 1000. I bought it in 2016 as a 2-year old leftover. Suzuki had a huge rebate ($4000 in the US I think). I paid about $8500 for it. I was getting older, and I told my wife it would probably be my last new bike. 8 years and 40,000 miles later, and I have not bought another new bike. I’ve bought a few inexpensive used ones 😊. My bike has a wet weight of 504 pounds according to Suzuki. The new 800 weighs a few pounds more. The 1000 has fully-adjustable suspension and really good brakes. In all the years I’ve owned it, I haven’t found another bike with the same level of suspension, brakes and engine for anywhere near the price. Last week the clutch slave cylinder gasket needed replaced. That’s the first non-wear item it’s needed, and it was only found while flushing the clutch fluid. I didn’t even know it was bad. The bike routinely gets over 50 mpg US, and has plenty of power. I don’t ride it off-road, it’s too big and unwieldy at low speeds. I bought it as a street bike. I’ve owned over 65 bikes in my 40 years of riding, and 3 have been Vstroms. To the observer they may appear dull and uninspired, but to me, Suzuki should be proud of their machines. I might be tempted by the new 800, but they’ll need a pretty big rebate to make me turn loose of my 1000.
I looked at one at Dameralls down here in Cornwall do fancy one. However just rode from Cornwall in horrible weather to North Wales on my Himalayan and handled it so well to be honest. Nice one Nathan
Incredibally Nathan, this video is incredibly incredible and alluring, with oodles of entry-price characteristics.🤗 I had to settle for the tubed wheels of my T7 and rely on the FACT that, after 100s of 1000s of miles riding, (edit: over the years), I can count the number of punctures on one hand. I'd rather have tubeless, like yourself, but I'd rather have the T7 than not. Safe riding fella; will bump into you in the Valley of Rocks, Sept!😉
Big screen for touring is available direct from your Suzuki dealer...I bought one new with my bike and I think it was only about 70 quid and makes it absolutely fine for 80mph cruising. My average fuel consumption has been 55mpg over just under 2k miles to date, and also has a massive range. I don't hang about either. Anyone that owns an 800 simply knew you'd like it 😉. They are for me what bikes are all about. Pure enjoyment.😊
How this guy doesn't have more followers is beyond me! His straight forward, honest reviews and humble opinions are so refreshing in the world of moto content here on youtube!! love your shit!
before I bought the 800de I tested: T7, adventure 890S, AfricaT., DesertX and... really vstrom offroad capabilities convinced me to buy the Suzuki. When I wrote about it on various forums, people answered me directly that it is impossible for the Vstrom to ride better than the KTM, that it is heavy, etc. Well, that's how I felt, and I also have a WR450 and really, if there is no big mud, what the 800de can do can make it hard enduro will be ashamed. Unfortunately, few people believed me. I'm glad your opinion confirms this. (the biggest loser for me is the 890S, whose suspension works much worse than the 800de and has 2cm less travel)
i have the same opinion as you, i had the 790S with modified suspension and the 800DE is just better... and the 790S was better than the T7 and the Transalp at least on feeling... so we can say that the 800DE is just better than those...
@@MotorDanko but I must admit that the 890S drove very well on the road, above 160 km/h it accelerates better than the Suzuki. The 800de is agile and easy to turn, but up to 80 km/h. above 100 it starts to go straight very stably and you need more force to turn it. Even at 160km/h, the 890s turned like crazy (shorter wheel base), so the 890S is ok if you want to ride on the road(and you like a pinch of madness)
@@marceliszp4803 i can agree with that, my 790S was like a naked bike on the road, and i loved that, if my 790S was reliable, i'd still have it... right now i own a F800GS, but i have one day with it... i will mod it searching for the suspension feeling of the 800DE... right now, the 800DE and almost every other mid-size adv bike are out of my reach.
Really interested to watch this, thanks! I think the problem Suzuki has got is that people often buy bikes with their heart and not their head. The reality is that the Transalp, especially in white, just looks so much better. Sure, it doesn't look anything like KTM good, but it does look smart. The Suzuki styling is, frankly, a mess. As you say this is a great shame because by walking away from the V twin Suzuki have lost the Vstrom's USP and previously loyal buyers are no doubt looking around at other options but they need to get people on it, as you say. I've spent some time test riding a Transalp and while I liked the looks, the suspension, particularly the rear, was woefully soft. Not a major issue alone I guess but the Hornet motor remains in the same state of tune as the donor bike and while gutsy enough you always feel that the power is tucked away at the top end, fun on the Hornet but bordering on the frustrating in the Transalp. Sadly i think folk will go for the Transalp based mainly on looks and miss out on what i hear is the better real world motor in the Suzuki but that's the trouble when the heart overrides the head. Oh and i agree with your comments on the wheels too, I think in this segment spoked wheels look more 'authentic' but tubeless spoked rims are more expensive so this is what we get...
Excellent review - glad that Suzuki loaned it out to you. I had a 1st gen SV650 as my second bike and really enjoyed that engine. Wasn't quite sure how to feel when Suzuki started to pivot away from the V-twin but it sounds like this is a pretty decent engine. I definitely don't see the new one as a dirt bike but moreso just a general travel bike for country roads, paved or unpaved. Thanks.
i have a quiet heavily modified v Strom 650 as a travel machine. It took me more then 40 000 Kilometers through Europe and Africa (paved and unpaved roads) . I tested the 800 last summer and was thinking of purchasing the 800. But one reason why I have chosen the 650 were the tubeless tires and I totally agree in that point with you. It is also slightly heaver as the 650 which is very difficult to pick by it is own. Maybe the weight of the 800 is better distributed. I don't know. I liked the power of the 800, but you can ride the 650 with less rpm and you don't get that amount of heat like from the 800. Maybe the first Revision of the 800 with tubeless tires, cruise control and better weather protection will be mine ;) thank you very much fort that little review!
i'm the perfect audience for the 800DE... the T7 is far too unconfortable for 2 up riding or long distance, even after replacing the very narrow seat... i had a 790 and i sold it because of issues, not big, but enough to make you feel not in trust with the motorcycle... i tested the F850 i hated it... then the tuareg 660 i loved it, but the forums are flooded with stupid issues from using the bike normally... the Transalp i really liked it, a little bit tall geared but confortable and powerful.... But the Vstrom has EVERYTHING, confort, great suspension, great engine, great electronics, sensible price for the category... i would buy one eyes closed.
@MotorDanko I have also tried the Suzuki, and I agree with what you wrote about it . But one of the options was the F850GS, I haven't tried this, what was bad about it compared to the Suzuki?
@Staafe100 the f850 is horrible if you ask me, terrible suspension, cheap plastics, the engine is good... and I think they updated it on the latest versions but be prepared to spend on suspensions right away... also... very very heavy feeling
Transalp & DE are very very close to each other. Ones heavy & great suspension the other is light & compact. One has more torque & the other revs. Give & take pick your poison lol 😂
@ChrisSauer-oe5ve I didn't feel them close at all, the 800DE is grunty and the weight is much lower in the centre of gravity, also the seat in the knee area is much more like an enduro, the Transalp in other hand has a slight wider tank, and it felt less nimble to move side to side... also is geared very tall, 1st gear is all about dragging the clutch
Glowing review. Stick a Givi Airflow screen on it and I’m sure it’ll munch motorways! It’s def on my list for next bike! BTW the Transalpine doesn’t have remote preload and is smaller which is why I won’t consider one for my next bike.
Super underrated platform. I like mine. Sure, shes a big girl, but honestly theres not much difference in a 450pound bike and a 500pound bike, especially while riding. Personally my DE is easier to pick up than the T7 was or my buddy's AT is. Its more about where/how the bike carries its weight.
This bike seems to do what the F700 did well, which was road and distance stuff with good comfort. Its certainly tempting especially with the extra power
Well, V Strom man! A great, down to earth review without any pretension! Thank you! Although in Spain, here it is 11799 euros!!! Approx 125 euros a month over 3 years with a 3500 deposit. PCP Final payment is 5427 euros. Not that much of a bargain in my opinion.
I got a spin on one recently, its not a bike that i previously would have thought of buying, but now i cant stop thinking about it, and suzuki offering great warranty, not really sold on the looks, but its such a great bike to ride.
I test rode this against my 22 plate 650. I think the suspension is its gold star. The power difference wasn’t incredibly noticeable. Have one tomorrow but for the cost to change. Don’t ride off road but rough welsh roads and I bloody love it. Best bike I’ve had to keep both wheels on the road at same time such is the suspension. Sports bikes buck me on same roads.
nice one nathan i was very very close to buying one ..took one out three times but your spot on its too heavy for uk trails and it sucks at weather protection and that was my delemma ended up trying the 1050de and that was a hoot on the moors bouncathon recuring theme outstanding suspension . add in centre stand cruise control .brilliant autoblipper ..i ended up with one in me garage ...its me third strom over the years and i have to say the latest one is a pretty big step up from the older models i owned ....me t7 was too heavy so keep the crf for the trails and the 1050 is a pretty formidable road bike still roosts the odd farm track if needed mind .. proper good fun .... braaaaaap
Perfect 10th attempt. Like anybody here I saw a million bike reviews - some good, some better - but yours are topnotch. Keep up the great work and I hope those Suzuki guys print out a foto of 9:50 min for their "Employee of the month" wall.
I absolutely love mine. The headlight stinks but that can be fixed. It's a much better bike off-road than my '13 Triumph Tiger 800XC, it feels 200lbs lighter than my '22 KLR 650 and is much more fun to ride than my '16 Versys 1000LT. Yes, it is more fun that a Kawi liter bike. It has tremendous character. Plus it will go wherever I point it. I wish a few more people would contact Alpina wheels so they could get started making tubeless wheels for these bikes.
Really good initial thoughts on the 800 DE. Picking up the VStrom 800 DE would be very similar to my 890 Adventure S, difficult for one person, especially in the mud. I’ve been there, it’s a struggle. I watch Tenere 700 riders struggle as well. The only answer to that is in the smaller bikes or stick to a single cylinder bikes, like a 690/701. I have a Husky 501, it’s brilliant in the off-road whether mud tracks like you showed of baby head boulders. Light, it feels like a mountain bike compared to an Adventure bike I’ve ridden or owned. But isn’t a joy to ride on a freeway for any length of time. I think this new 800 DE is a winner (minus the tube type wheels and any corrosion issues with those wheels) in the “mid weight” ADV segment for its capabilities and reliability, the windshield is always an easy fix in the aftermarket.
Insightful little film. Looking forward to your thoughts on the new Himalayan which promises to come with tubeless for a few quid extra though I notice the one going round the dealers is the tube tyre version. All these toys !
Hi Nathan.. Was a little puzzled on your first introduction vid on the DE 800 wondering who would buy one..I bought one and love it.. Was a toss up between the 700 Tenere or the DE.. The DE can handle the fast trails plus is a lot more accommodating for road touring..Great suspension for the price..Still riding the crap out of my old Himi though…Love the channel …Take care …Dickie 👍
Thanks dickie. Yeah I wasn't saying no ones buying one but I was just curious about who would buy one and why when it seems to lack a bit of clear cut Identity. You definitely have to ride one to appreciate one
I've also ridden Dickie's 800DE and found it very smooth and lovely fueling when compare to my Vstrom 1000 which I shall nickname "Lurch" :) Also for some strange reason the Himalayan comes out far more often than the bigger bike! But the 800DE was lovely@@nathanthepostman
Great detailed review there , took one for a test ride myself a few ago , really enjoyed it, in fact I ordered the RE version, hope to have it next week 🫰 so that makes me vstrom man 🫡🫡👍
I wonder if one of reasons for low sales is lack of bikes for test ride bikes ? , I know here in Nottingham Vertu Honda & CMC Yamaha In Clay cross both have a range of bikes for Test rides but The Two wheel Centre in Mansfield (a great shop I'm sure you know) often only have a couple of bikes, Powerslide Suzuki in derby only have a couple & the now Closed HBC Suzuki in Notts Didn't have any test bikes . When I was interested In the Katana a few years ago test rides just weren't available & when I bought my Vstrom 1050 from HBC I had to get a test ride at the two wheel centre. I don't know how it is around the rest of the country? Glad you like the 800 I'd be definitely be looking at one if I didn't already have the 1050. Great Video as usual
Just on the wind protection - when I rode one of these I found the wind noise situation much more tolerable than past V-Stroms - you get less protection but as such there's less buffeting! It feels like there's a really good bike if you combine the best bits of both this and the 800RE - give me the good suspension and small windscreen but also the cast, tubeless wheels.
You're right thinking about it. I did quite a few miles on the 2014 duck billed bike with what was a decent sized screen and I remember that being pretty poor for turbulence. The brief stints up to higher speed on the 800 didn't show any buffeting, just air flow. Which is definitely the better of the two!
Tubes are better off-road. If you had tubeless and slightly dented the rim, you'd be fuct, start walking. That is why off-road bikes have tubed tyres. They are also safer as they don't deflate as quickly as tubeless. Give me tubed all day long. I have had 2 punctures in 53 years riding 365 to work. Good review and stonking bike. I found it wanted to go faster and instilled confidence even on narrow country roads. Engine, Gears, Quickshifter, Dash 10/10. To me the yellow with blue plastic looks awful, grey is best. In some other countries they have a white version which, for me is better looking and suits the lines of the bike. Unfortunately Suzuki have no intention of introducing the White to the UK at present.
Thanks blackskunk. I get the argument for tubes but I think from a commercial point of view a great deal more people would prefer tubeless. Even ktm put them on 890 adventure r now. Couldn't a tube tyre fan just stick a tube in if they did get a dented rim? Or preempt it by sticking in a tube to begin with? Shame about that white tho. Does sound a better colour than what we've got at the minute. The visuals definitely let the bike down
It sounds to me as though Suzuki have produced a really good real World bike that does so many of the things that motorcyclists actually do. You’ve moved down to smaller motorcycles and so have I. I now realise that I don’t need a heavy 1300cc motorcycle to enjoy touring and now have a 500 that does everything I need. Despite my dreams and ambitions 95% of my mileage is on road, mainly B roads and smaller, I use A roads when there is no choice and motorways never. My 500 can and does go off road within reason but it is always going to be compromised as, especially in touring mode it’s relatively heavy and the ground clearance could be better but it’s great for long stretches on gravel roads and slightly more challenging terrain. I’ve always thought of it as a real World bike because it does what I want to do really well. For the more challenging off road riding I do I have had a DR125 and it’s great. I’ve recently added a Voge 300 Rally to my collection and it is a great addition, it’s really at home on tracks, trails and loose surfaces but is comfortable enough to take further to perhaps do the ACT in the Pyrenees or even sections of the TET that is accessible close to my home. If I needed to do more A road riding I might look at the 750-800 class bikes, a lot of them look pretty useful but for me and my needs I simply don’t need that extra power, that extra weight and the associated extra costs, in my World smaller is good enough. I don’t care how great the new GS1300 is I have no need for most of what it offers so it would simply be a waste of money, that Suzuki although a nice sounding bike is still a step that I don’t need to take.
Having oscillated up to the 1200+, then down to the mids (again), I had almost discounted the Vstrom as too heavy, and then couldn't get a test-ride. So I bought the Tuareg 660, which I do love. Loads of character. Now I don't want to test the Vstrom, in case I like it!
Excellent review, especially for a first impressions point of view! I haven’t ridden a vstrom, but know the street versions were very well thought of. Good to hear the suspension is very good on this! How adjustable is it? The heavy lift is good to acknowledge.. Probably higher on reliability than a ktm? But getting mentioned in the same breath is quite something. Appreciate your fun factor rating and ability to carry speed. And after mentioning the spoke tubed rim niggle, you put the value of the bike back in the spotlight! Cracking review 🍻
Japanese KTM is a good shout! I think this is the only one in the class that I'd consider outside the middle weight KTM that I went for...was only put off by the price / availability.
2010 wee owner here. If it had tubeless and cruise I’d buy 1, same goes for the transalp. Honda or Suzuki missed a trick cos if they had included either, it would’ve outsold the rival by miles! Guess they wanna save the handiest features for the bigger bikes, pff. I’m a road rider who likes ADV ergos so I’d probs choose the Honda, and eventually upgrade the suspension for my weight. Great time to be a biker, so much choice!
Great review, not what I was expecting you to say about it. I wish it had better looking plastics and colour schemes though. Seems like a well engineered machine, but doesn't look as pretty as most of its direct competitors sadly. Even the latest Chinese trail bikes are starting to look pretty cool.
Funny you should say that about the rims being tubed. The new 1050 VStrom - DE version has a tubed front and tubeless rear . Another manufacturer does the same thing- cannot remember who ? , but in saying that KTM 790,790, 1190,s Yamaha T7 DO have the issue with bending FRONT rims ( I have seen this myself in Australia we’re I live and quite a lot of BIG ADV riders are going to tubed fronts only . Also easier to change than a rear . BUT I get what you say MOST riders ( even in Australia will not take their 800 DE on HARD off road riding . It should be an optional.
A japanese ktm. Now im interested. Had a v strom 1000 and liked it but it was ugly and very poor finish. Im getting a ktm 950 sm for fun but ill keep an eye on these when price drops in a few years.
Great perspective mate. I saw one in a shop the other day and thought it looked alot better in the flesh than in photos. Cool even. Put an old school dakar/dr sticker kit on it and I think it would look awesome. Shame about the mpg unless it was because you were hammering it. Would love to hear your thoughts on the Kove 450 if you can ever get your hands on one. There aren't that many reviews in Europe or the UK yet . Cheers Paul
Having rode it agree totally with your comments but ....yeah theres always a buuuut I will keep my gen one vstrom 650...for the time being now let me find that corner 😂😂😂atb nathan keep this good honest reviewing up...
Me too. Test rode and the price to change was a non starter. I so love my 650 having owned 44 bikes. I dont ride off road and getting on and it does everything on the road and the most comfy bike ever had. Suspension is absolutley first class.
Hi Nathan, I was wondering what you’d think and it’s really good to get your perspective. I loved it the first time I rode it and it does feel an upgrade on my 650 strom. I see there’s an RE touring version now. Minus that suspension though, but plus cast wheels and a bigger screen. Either way I am too vstrom man! Cheers
Great review again Nathan. I reckon there will be a good after market screen that will improve high speed buffeting. How would you compare the Suzuki to a KTM 890 Adventure apart from the obvious pricing difference! Cheers👍
I think the Suzuki V Strom 800 RE is the road version that most previous owners will feel at home on, so this new DE version is trying to grab the people who want a bit more grunt and off road ability i.e. someone who wanted an Africa Twin but perhaps felt it was just too big?
I can fathon why they called it v strom when it is no longer a v twin. Similarly, the 650/1000 XT wheels were leaps ahead (Speaking as a CRF1000 owner who went tubeless)
I fancy the road version, it really is ugly but v nice to ride. Forums advise the lights are dangerously bad, go and give it a quick run in the dark if you get a chance and let me know, cheers Graeme.
Do any other bikes on the fleet do better than 44mg when being wrung out? Agree with the tubed spoke wheel issue, makes no sense to 95% of riders, and i dont see why a tubeless rim would be anymore difficult to produce or even more expensive. Is it a 270crank job?
For what it's worth just spent a few days on a Transalp in northern Thailand. Fun bike when above 5000rpm but very little performance below that. Much preferred the engine characteristics of the 800DE motor. Better low and midrange torque more suited to off-road riding and touring but still a LOT of fun in the twisties!
Drop a tooth on front sprocket and you might find it has plenty of low end 🤔 But I’ve thought same thing, Honda is a rom machine & Suzuki is a torque monster. But weight is much greater on Suzuki 😢
Yes...on paper the Suzi is significantly heavier but for some reason it doesn't seem to feel much heavier at all. Perhaps i'd notice the extra weight on a really technical offroad trail but I tend to avoid those since turning 70!@@ChrisSauer-oe5ve
I was considering the v-strom, but someone convinced me they have no character, so I got a Himalayan instead. Since then, one of my friends has bought a Himalayan and V-strom & he adores the V-strom. He pretty much said what you said.
I tested the 890S and in my opinion it drives worse off-road than the 800de. it also has less travel. and the 790 doesn't even have full regulation (which the 890S 2023 has), so it will be even worse. Additionally, I was discouraged by the worse opinion about the failure-free performance of KTMs, especially the lack of information about the one made in China.
I sold my Africa twin and bought the 800 RE. Lower, better handling, tubeless, no rusty spokes to clean and the same great engine and practicality. It'll still do dry, dirt roads but much easier all round. Running in I'm getting 66mpg
I think the spoke corrosion will happen whatever you do with the bike. Makes them hard work to keep looking clean which some people like to value. Stainless would be nice for everyone I think
@@nathanthepostman Yeah, but it costs extra money and it's all about the profit. What is your opinion about cast wheels then? They have proven a long time ago that they can take terrain well enough. As long as one doesn't jump too high. By the way: I suggested Usernamekate to have a look at your CCM video. Don't know if she did though! 😅
I don't mind cast rims. I've got them on a few bikes and never cracked on. They just don't seem to do them as a 21 inch. And spokes do look cooler. I get the aspect of cost, but my £7k Moro Morini has tubeless spoked rims with stainless rims. It's not completely impossible at a good price point then. Personally I'd pay a bit more for the bike and not have the hassle. But I know the bean counters have their reasoning!
l also hate tube tyres , even though l have them on my himmy , l carry spare tubes and levers , never used them yet , but just as well as I've never done one yet 🤣
When will the likes of Honda listen to the vast majority of buyers abd fit them with stainless steel spoked tubeless rims or at the very least as an option same with cruise control. Many more would be sold im sure
@@mjonno64 Yes, and the fueling and lack of low end torque is an off road nightmare. Shockingly, the TAlp is no easier to pick up than the 800DE. My opinion is also based on reviews of Adventure motorcycles, who have riden them both. No doubt Honda will sell 5 times as many because most ADV buyers are gullible. If you want an ADV bike the 800DE IS better. If you want a street bike that looks like an ADV bike ,well the TAlp is your ticket. But you enjoy that non adjustable budget suspension. And be vary careful if you weigh over 150lbs.
I'm a life long Suzuki fan, and have had 40 plus of their machines over the years, even bought a few new ones. But this for me is just a ugly looking bike. Great review mind you.
Funny you should say that about the rims being tubed. The new 1050 VStrom - DE version has a tubed front and tubeless rear . Another manufacturer does the same thing- cannot remember who ? , but in saying that KTM 790,890 1190,s Yamaha T7 DO have the issue with bending FRONT rims ( I have seen this myself in Australia we’re I live and quite a lot of BIG ADV riders are going to tubed fronts only . Also easier to change than a rear . BUT I get what you say MOST riders ( even in Australia will not take their 800 DE on HARD off road riding . It should be an optional.
Fascinating first ride review....without the usual 'popular' bias that we see so often. But as a 65 year old VStrom 650 owner, I'll just stay over here in the corner in my rocking chair and try not to bother anyone. 😉
I am with you on that at 64 and 9 months
@@KevinPartington-c2s 60 here also DL650..I'm interested in the 800DE, like the upgraded suspension and wheel size but the tubed rims are a NO GO.. WTF Suzuki...?
Mate your a fantastic salesman.
I'm off to Suzuki tomorrow to test ride one.
I own an 800DE. It's a fantastic bike. How did you like the test ride?
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Conservatively speaking- I bet 75% of my TH-cam time is spent watching motorcycle related content.
This is one of the best reviews I have ever seen.
Love your reviews mate. Only channel that I watch every single video when it comes out. Good quality commentary, great insight, great footage and covers everything you would want to know. All this with a trails focus and without the excessive editing fluff of other channels. Cheers 👍.
Imho you're an exceptional bike reviewer. No drama, simple, knows what he's talking about and always to the point. In just a couple of minutes you mention some very important aspects that get completely overlooked by the others. Really enjoy watching your vids🤘
Your style of review is so good at summarising a bikes character. I fancied a Himalayan and your summary matched my requirements, so I bought one. Strange thing is, I don`t fancy one of these, but still watched anyway. You talk nothing but sense, and that is appealing.
A fresh opinion. Your reviews are always worth watching simply because they are your reviews you don't drag a lot of baggage and second hand views with you. Good job. Thank you. 👍
I keep posting on videos praising my 2014 VStrom 1000. I bought it in 2016 as a 2-year old leftover. Suzuki had a huge rebate ($4000 in the US I think). I paid about $8500 for it. I was getting older, and I told my wife it would probably be my last new bike. 8 years and 40,000 miles later, and I have not bought another new bike. I’ve bought a few inexpensive used ones 😊. My bike has a wet weight of 504 pounds according to Suzuki. The new 800 weighs a few pounds more. The 1000 has fully-adjustable suspension and really good brakes. In all the years I’ve owned it, I haven’t found another bike with the same level of suspension, brakes and engine for anywhere near the price. Last week the clutch slave cylinder gasket needed replaced. That’s the first non-wear item it’s needed, and it was only found while flushing the clutch fluid. I didn’t even know it was bad. The bike routinely gets over 50 mpg US, and has plenty of power. I don’t ride it off-road, it’s too big and unwieldy at low speeds. I bought it as a street bike. I’ve owned over 65 bikes in my 40 years of riding, and 3 have been Vstroms. To the observer they may appear dull and uninspired, but to me, Suzuki should be proud of their machines. I might be tempted by the new 800, but they’ll need a pretty big rebate to make me turn loose of my 1000.
I looked at one at Dameralls down here in Cornwall do fancy one. However just rode from Cornwall in horrible weather to North Wales on my Himalayan and handled it so well to be honest. Nice one Nathan
Incredibally Nathan, this video is incredibly incredible and alluring, with oodles of entry-price characteristics.🤗
I had to settle for the tubed wheels of my T7 and rely on the FACT that, after 100s of 1000s of miles riding, (edit: over the years), I can count the number of punctures on one hand. I'd rather have tubeless, like yourself, but I'd rather have the T7 than not. Safe riding fella; will bump into you in the Valley of Rocks, Sept!😉
Big screen for touring is available direct from your Suzuki dealer...I bought one new with my bike and I think it was only about 70 quid and makes it absolutely fine for 80mph cruising.
My average fuel consumption has been 55mpg over just under 2k miles to date, and also has a massive range. I don't hang about either.
Anyone that owns an 800 simply knew you'd like it 😉. They are for me what bikes are all about. Pure enjoyment.😊
How this guy doesn't have more followers is beyond me! His straight forward, honest reviews and humble opinions are so refreshing in the world of moto content here on youtube!! love your shit!
before I bought the 800de I tested: T7, adventure 890S, AfricaT., DesertX and... really vstrom offroad capabilities convinced me to buy the Suzuki. When I wrote about it on various forums, people answered me directly that it is impossible for the Vstrom to ride better than the KTM, that it is heavy, etc. Well, that's how I felt, and I also have a WR450 and really, if there is no big mud, what the 800de can do can make it hard enduro will be ashamed. Unfortunately, few people believed me. I'm glad your opinion confirms this.
(the biggest loser for me is the 890S, whose suspension works much worse than the 800de and has 2cm less travel)
i have the same opinion as you, i had the 790S with modified suspension and the 800DE is just better... and the 790S was better than the T7 and the Transalp at least on feeling... so we can say that the 800DE is just better than those...
@@MotorDanko but I must admit that the 890S drove very well on the road, above 160 km/h it accelerates better than the Suzuki. The 800de is agile and easy to turn, but up to 80 km/h. above 100 it starts to go straight very stably and you need more force to turn it. Even at 160km/h, the 890s turned like crazy (shorter wheel base), so the 890S is ok if you want to ride on the road(and you like a pinch of madness)
@@marceliszp4803 i can agree with that, my 790S was like a naked bike on the road, and i loved that, if my 790S was reliable, i'd still have it... right now i own a F800GS, but i have one day with it... i will mod it searching for the suspension feeling of the 800DE... right now, the 800DE and almost every other mid-size adv bike are out of my reach.
I have now 20 000 kmhzre in south of France on my 800DE...this is truly the Best bike i have ever had.......viva suzuki
Couldn't agree more. I'm a Japanese bike fan all the way but ride a 790 adventure which I bought almost exclusively for the tubeless rims.
Really interested to watch this, thanks! I think the problem Suzuki has got is that people often buy bikes with their heart and not their head. The reality is that the Transalp, especially in white, just looks so much better. Sure, it doesn't look anything like KTM good, but it does look smart. The Suzuki styling is, frankly, a mess. As you say this is a great shame because by walking away from the V twin Suzuki have lost the Vstrom's USP and previously loyal buyers are no doubt looking around at other options but they need to get people on it, as you say. I've spent some time test riding a Transalp and while I liked the looks, the suspension, particularly the rear, was woefully soft. Not a major issue alone I guess but the Hornet motor remains in the same state of tune as the donor bike and while gutsy enough you always feel that the power is tucked away at the top end, fun on the Hornet but bordering on the frustrating in the Transalp. Sadly i think folk will go for the Transalp based mainly on looks and miss out on what i hear is the better real world motor in the Suzuki but that's the trouble when the heart overrides the head. Oh and i agree with your comments on the wheels too, I think in this segment spoked wheels look more 'authentic' but tubeless spoked rims are more expensive so this is what we get...
Excellent review - glad that Suzuki loaned it out to you. I had a 1st gen SV650 as my second bike and really enjoyed that engine. Wasn't quite sure how to feel when Suzuki started to pivot away from the V-twin but it sounds like this is a pretty decent engine. I definitely don't see the new one as a dirt bike but moreso just a general travel bike for country roads, paved or unpaved. Thanks.
i have a quiet heavily modified v Strom 650 as a travel machine. It took me more then 40 000 Kilometers through Europe and Africa (paved and unpaved roads) . I tested the 800 last summer and was thinking of purchasing the 800. But one reason why I have chosen the 650 were the tubeless tires and I totally agree in that point with you. It is also slightly heaver as the 650 which is very difficult to pick by it is own. Maybe the weight of the 800 is better distributed. I don't know. I liked the power of the 800, but you can ride the 650 with less rpm and you don't get that amount of heat like from the 800.
Maybe the first Revision of the 800 with tubeless tires, cruise control and better weather protection will be mine ;)
thank you very much fort that little review!
i'm the perfect audience for the 800DE... the T7 is far too unconfortable for 2 up riding or long distance, even after replacing the very narrow seat... i had a 790 and i sold it because of issues, not big, but enough to make you feel not in trust with the motorcycle... i tested the F850 i hated it... then the tuareg 660 i loved it, but the forums are flooded with stupid issues from using the bike normally... the Transalp i really liked it, a little bit tall geared but confortable and powerful....
But the Vstrom has EVERYTHING, confort, great suspension, great engine, great electronics, sensible price for the category... i would buy one eyes closed.
@MotorDanko I have also tried the Suzuki, and I agree with what you wrote about it . But one of the options was the F850GS, I haven't tried this, what was bad about it compared to the Suzuki?
@Staafe100 the f850 is horrible if you ask me, terrible suspension, cheap plastics, the engine is good... and I think they updated it on the latest versions but be prepared to spend on suspensions right away... also... very very heavy feeling
Transalp & DE are very very close to each other.
Ones heavy & great suspension the other is light & compact.
One has more torque & the other revs.
Give & take pick your poison lol 😂
@ChrisSauer-oe5ve I didn't feel them close at all, the 800DE is grunty and the weight is much lower in the centre of gravity, also the seat in the knee area is much more like an enduro, the Transalp in other hand has a slight wider tank, and it felt less nimble to move side to side... also is geared very tall, 1st gear is all about dragging the clutch
Glowing review. Stick a Givi Airflow screen on it and I’m sure it’ll munch motorways! It’s def on my list for next bike! BTW the Transalpine doesn’t have remote preload and is smaller which is why I won’t consider one for my next bike.
Sir, you are the voice of reason
Super underrated platform. I like mine. Sure, shes a big girl, but honestly theres not much difference in a 450pound bike and a 500pound bike, especially while riding. Personally my DE is easier to pick up than the T7 was or my buddy's AT is.
Its more about where/how the bike carries its weight.
This bike seems to do what the F700 did well, which was road and distance stuff with good comfort. Its certainly tempting especially with the extra power
Well, V Strom man! A great, down to earth review without any pretension! Thank you! Although in Spain, here it is 11799 euros!!! Approx 125 euros a month over 3 years with a 3500 deposit. PCP Final payment is 5427 euros. Not that much of a bargain in my opinion.
I got a spin on one recently, its not a bike that i previously would have thought of buying, but now i cant stop thinking about it, and suzuki offering great warranty, not really sold on the looks, but its such a great bike to ride.
I think it looks great. Agree with you about the choice of spokes and rims.
Lovely review of a beautiful machine that few people will give a chance
I test rode this against my 22 plate 650. I think the suspension is its gold star. The power difference wasn’t incredibly noticeable. Have one tomorrow but for the cost to change. Don’t ride off road but rough welsh roads and I bloody love it. Best bike I’ve had to keep both wheels on the road at same time such is the suspension. Sports bikes buck me on same roads.
Great honest review. Would love a ride on one. You could tell from your adrenaline rush the bike gave you that you might get one on the fleet !
Good review you’ve nailed the v strom 800 paradox
Very much agree with your impressions, just a note, any "trail" of more than 200kgs costs a lot to lift it alone, not only this one.
nice one nathan i was very very close to buying one ..took one out three times but your spot on its too heavy for uk trails and it sucks at weather protection and that was my delemma ended up trying the 1050de and that was a hoot on the moors bouncathon recuring theme outstanding suspension . add in centre stand cruise control .brilliant autoblipper ..i ended up with one in me garage ...its me third strom over the years and i have to say the latest one is a pretty big step up from the older models i owned ....me t7 was too heavy so keep the crf for the trails and the 1050 is a pretty formidable road bike still roosts the odd farm track if needed mind .. proper good fun .... braaaaaap
Perfect 10th attempt. Like anybody here I saw a million bike reviews - some good, some better - but yours are topnotch. Keep up the great work and I hope those Suzuki guys print out a foto of 9:50 min for their "Employee of the month" wall.
I absolutely love mine. The headlight stinks but that can be fixed. It's a much better bike off-road than my '13 Triumph Tiger 800XC, it feels 200lbs lighter than my '22 KLR 650 and is much more fun to ride than my '16 Versys 1000LT. Yes, it is more fun that a Kawi liter bike. It has tremendous character. Plus it will go wherever I point it. I wish a few more people would contact Alpina wheels so they could get started making tubeless wheels for these bikes.
Nathan ‘ the cane ‘ Millward 😂
You got me intrigued with that bike now, always a dangerous thing…
Really good initial thoughts on the 800 DE.
Picking up the VStrom 800 DE would be very similar to my 890 Adventure S, difficult for one person, especially in the mud. I’ve been there, it’s a struggle. I watch Tenere 700 riders struggle as well. The only answer to that is in the smaller bikes or stick to a single cylinder bikes, like a 690/701. I have a Husky 501, it’s brilliant in the off-road whether mud tracks like you showed of baby head boulders. Light, it feels like a mountain bike compared to an Adventure bike I’ve ridden or owned. But isn’t a joy to ride on a freeway for any length of time.
I think this new 800 DE is a winner (minus the tube type wheels and any corrosion issues with those wheels) in the “mid weight” ADV segment for its capabilities and reliability, the windshield is always an easy fix in the aftermarket.
great review, great job!
Insightful little film. Looking forward to your thoughts on the new Himalayan which promises to come with tubeless for a few quid extra though I notice the one going round the dealers is the tube tyre version. All these toys !
Hi Nathan.. Was a little puzzled on your first introduction vid on the DE 800 wondering who would buy one..I bought one and love it.. Was a toss up between the 700 Tenere or the DE.. The DE can handle the fast trails plus is a lot more accommodating for road touring..Great suspension for the price..Still riding the crap out of my old Himi though…Love the channel …Take care …Dickie 👍
Thanks dickie. Yeah I wasn't saying no ones buying one but I was just curious about who would buy one and why when it seems to lack a bit of clear cut Identity. You definitely have to ride one to appreciate one
Just need to get those tubed rims sorted..😄👍
I've also ridden Dickie's 800DE and found it very smooth and lovely fueling when compare to my Vstrom 1000 which I shall nickname "Lurch" :) Also for some strange reason the Himalayan comes out far more often than the bigger bike! But the 800DE was lovely@@nathanthepostman
Great detailed review there , took one for a test ride myself a few ago , really enjoyed it, in fact I ordered the RE version, hope to have it next week 🫰 so that makes me vstrom man 🫡🫡👍
I wonder if one of reasons for low sales is lack of bikes for test ride bikes ? , I know here in Nottingham Vertu Honda & CMC Yamaha In Clay cross both have a range of bikes for Test rides but The Two wheel Centre in Mansfield (a great shop I'm sure you know) often only have a couple of bikes, Powerslide Suzuki in derby only have a couple & the now Closed HBC Suzuki in Notts Didn't have any test bikes .
When I was interested In the Katana a few years ago test rides just weren't available & when I bought my Vstrom 1050 from HBC I had to get a test ride at the two wheel centre.
I don't know how it is around the rest of the country?
Glad you like the 800 I'd be definitely be looking at one if I didn't already have the 1050.
Great Video as usual
It's an excellent bike with an excellent engine. Suzuki can supply a bigger screen which I fitted and it certainly helps.
Good to know John. Is it the one from the RE?
Yep@@nathanthepostman
Another cracking vid Nathan 👍
Just on the wind protection - when I rode one of these I found the wind noise situation much more tolerable than past V-Stroms - you get less protection but as such there's less buffeting! It feels like there's a really good bike if you combine the best bits of both this and the 800RE - give me the good suspension and small windscreen but also the cast, tubeless wheels.
You're right thinking about it. I did quite a few miles on the 2014 duck billed bike with what was a decent sized screen and I remember that being pretty poor for turbulence. The brief stints up to higher speed on the 800 didn't show any buffeting, just air flow. Which is definitely the better of the two!
Tubes are better off-road. If you had tubeless and slightly dented the rim, you'd be fuct, start walking. That is why off-road bikes have tubed tyres.
They are also safer as they don't deflate as quickly as tubeless. Give me tubed all day long. I have had 2 punctures in 53 years riding 365 to work.
Good review and stonking bike. I found it wanted to go faster and instilled confidence even on narrow country roads. Engine, Gears, Quickshifter, Dash 10/10.
To me the yellow with blue plastic looks awful, grey is best. In some other countries they have a white version which, for me is better looking and suits the lines of the bike.
Unfortunately Suzuki have no intention of introducing the White to the UK at present.
Thanks blackskunk. I get the argument for tubes but I think from a commercial point of view a great deal more people would prefer tubeless. Even ktm put them on 890 adventure r now. Couldn't a tube tyre fan just stick a tube in if they did get a dented rim? Or preempt it by sticking in a tube to begin with? Shame about that white tho. Does sound a better colour than what we've got at the minute. The visuals definitely let the bike down
It sounds to me as though Suzuki have produced a really good real World bike that does so many of the things that motorcyclists actually do. You’ve moved down to smaller motorcycles and so have I. I now realise that I don’t need a heavy 1300cc motorcycle to enjoy touring and now have a 500 that does everything I need. Despite my dreams and ambitions 95% of my mileage is on road, mainly B roads and smaller, I use A roads when there is no choice and motorways never. My 500 can and does go off road within reason but it is always going to be compromised as, especially in touring mode it’s relatively heavy and the ground clearance could be better but it’s great for long stretches on gravel roads and slightly more challenging terrain. I’ve always thought of it as a real World bike because it does what I want to do really well. For the more challenging off road riding I do I have had a DR125 and it’s great. I’ve recently added a Voge 300 Rally to my collection and it is a great addition, it’s really at home on tracks, trails and loose surfaces but is comfortable enough to take further to perhaps do the ACT in the Pyrenees or even sections of the TET that is accessible close to my home. If I needed to do more A road riding I might look at the 750-800 class bikes, a lot of them look pretty useful but for me and my needs I simply don’t need that extra power, that extra weight and the associated extra costs, in my World smaller is good enough. I don’t care how great the new GS1300 is I have no need for most of what it offers so it would simply be a waste of money, that Suzuki although a nice sounding bike is still a step that I don’t need to take.
That looks a good bike Nathan, would be interested to hear your thoughts on the CFMoto 450 MT when it is available to ride.
I like its looks. It needs tubeless tyres, though. Glad you like it so much. Nick
Having oscillated up to the 1200+, then down to the mids (again), I had almost discounted the Vstrom as too heavy, and then couldn't get a test-ride. So I bought the Tuareg 660, which I do love. Loads of character. Now I don't want to test the Vstrom, in case I like it!
haHA
Excellent review, especially for a first impressions point of view!
I haven’t ridden a vstrom, but know the street versions were very well thought of.
Good to hear the suspension is very good on this!
How adjustable is it?
The heavy lift is good to acknowledge..
Probably higher on reliability than a ktm?
But getting mentioned in the same breath is quite something.
Appreciate your fun factor rating and ability to carry speed.
And after mentioning the spoke tubed rim niggle, you put the value of the bike back in the spotlight!
Cracking review 🍻
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Japanese KTM is a good shout! I think this is the only one in the class that I'd consider outside the middle weight KTM that I went for...was only put off by the price / availability.
Nath, I'm interested in one of these. Bring it by the shop one Saturday before you give it back.
Well that take was just fine Nath. I feel the need for a test ride. Although I'm really enjoying my V85tt ATM which also has tubes.....🙄
2010 wee owner here. If it had tubeless and cruise I’d buy 1, same goes for the transalp. Honda or Suzuki missed a trick cos if they had included either, it would’ve outsold the rival by miles! Guess they wanna save the handiest features for the bigger bikes, pff. I’m a road rider who likes ADV ergos so I’d probs choose the Honda, and eventually upgrade the suspension for my weight. Great time to be a biker, so much choice!
Great honest review....
Great review, not what I was expecting you to say about it. I wish it had better looking plastics and colour schemes though. Seems like a well engineered machine, but doesn't look as pretty as most of its direct competitors sadly. Even the latest Chinese trail bikes are starting to look pretty cool.
Must have been exciting riding , returning just 40 mpg 😊
Funny you should say that about the rims being tubed. The new 1050 VStrom - DE version has a tubed front and tubeless rear . Another manufacturer does the same thing- cannot remember who ? , but in saying that KTM 790,790, 1190,s Yamaha T7 DO have the issue with bending FRONT rims ( I have seen this myself in Australia we’re I live and quite a lot of BIG ADV riders are going to tubed fronts only . Also easier to change than a rear . BUT I get what you say MOST riders ( even in Australia will not take their 800 DE on HARD off road riding . It should be an optional.
A japanese ktm. Now im interested. Had a v strom 1000 and liked it but it was ugly and very poor finish. Im getting a ktm 950 sm for fun but ill keep an eye on these when price drops in a few years.
Interesting review. Perhaps it's nicer in the flesh but I do struggle with its looks.
Great perspective mate.
I saw one in a shop the other day and thought it looked alot better in the flesh than in photos. Cool even. Put an old school dakar/dr sticker kit on it and I think it would look awesome.
Shame about the mpg unless it was because you were hammering it.
Would love to hear your thoughts on the Kove 450 if you can ever get your hands on one. There aren't that many reviews in Europe or the UK yet .
Cheers
Paul
Having rode it agree totally with your comments but ....yeah theres always a buuuut I will keep my gen one vstrom 650...for the time being now let me find that corner 😂😂😂atb nathan keep this good honest reviewing up...
Me too. Test rode and the price to change was a non starter. I so love my 650 having owned 44 bikes. I dont ride off road and getting on and it does everything on the road and the most comfy bike ever had. Suspension is absolutley first class.
Hi Nathan, I was wondering what you’d think and it’s really good to get your perspective. I loved it the first time I rode it and it does feel an upgrade on my 650 strom. I see there’s an RE touring version now. Minus that suspension though, but plus cast wheels and a bigger screen. Either way I am too vstrom man! Cheers
Great review again Nathan. I reckon there will be a good after market screen that will improve high speed buffeting.
How would you compare the Suzuki to a KTM 890 Adventure apart from the obvious pricing difference!
Cheers👍
I think the Suzuki V Strom 800 RE is the road version that most previous owners will feel at home on, so this new DE version is trying to grab the people who want a bit more grunt and off road ability i.e. someone who wanted an Africa Twin but perhaps felt it was just too big?
I can fathon why they called it v strom when it is no longer a v twin.
Similarly, the 650/1000 XT wheels were leaps ahead (Speaking as a CRF1000 owner who went tubeless)
I fancy the road version, it really is ugly but v nice to ride. Forums advise the lights are dangerously bad, go and give it a quick run in the dark if you get a chance and let me know, cheers Graeme.
Do any other bikes on the fleet do better than 44mg when being wrung out? Agree with the tubed spoke wheel issue, makes no sense to 95% of riders, and i dont see why a tubeless rim would be anymore difficult to produce or even more expensive. Is it a 270crank job?
Yes,270 crank
You really need to ride the transalp now Nathan so you can compare them 😁👍
For what it's worth just spent a few days on a Transalp in northern Thailand. Fun bike when above 5000rpm but very little performance below that. Much preferred the engine characteristics of the 800DE motor. Better low and midrange torque more suited to off-road riding and touring but still a LOT of fun in the twisties!
Drop a tooth on front sprocket and you might find it has plenty of low end 🤔
But I’ve thought same thing, Honda is a rom machine & Suzuki is a torque monster.
But weight is much greater on Suzuki 😢
Yes...on paper the Suzi is significantly heavier but for some reason it doesn't seem to feel much heavier at all. Perhaps i'd notice the extra weight on a really technical offroad trail but I tend to avoid those since turning 70!@@ChrisSauer-oe5ve
If nathan says its good, it is good.
I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the RE road version of the bike
With Nobby tires the mud would be a different situation
Always respect your perspective. I'm thinking that RE version might be a better choice as an A &B road master. What's your opinion professor.
Where is that at 2:40, looks lovely!
That's valley of the rocks just behind lynton on the north Devon coast
lush, thanks @@nathanthepostman
I was considering the v-strom, but someone convinced me they have no character, so I got a Himalayan instead.
Since then, one of my friends has bought a Himalayan and V-strom & he adores the V-strom. He pretty much said what you said.
Hey v-strom man, nice bike test as ever but should I p-ex my KTM 790 adventure as it sounds like all Suzuki have done is copied it?
I tested the 890S and in my opinion it drives worse off-road than the 800de. it also has less travel. and the 790 doesn't even have full regulation (which the 890S 2023 has), so it will be even worse. Additionally, I was discouraged by the worse opinion about the failure-free performance of KTMs, especially the lack of information about the one made in China.
Said it before: It should be a P-Strom. V was for the V twin that it no longer has.
What about the ‘RE’ version with the cast wheels? Would you compromise on having a larger tubed wheel or go for the smaller tubeless one?
That's a great question. I think from a practical point of view yes I'd take the RE. But visually I'd want the DE!
if you really go off-road and use 80-20 tires then de. if mainly on roads and sometimes light gravel, then re
I sold my Africa twin and bought the 800 RE. Lower, better handling, tubeless, no rusty spokes to clean and the same great engine and practicality. It'll still do dry, dirt roads but much easier all round. Running in I'm getting 66mpg
Rightly call me an old geezer but for me the best Suzuki is still the SV 650.
Does putting upside down forks on an off-road bike a good idea?
It seems the norm these days so I'm assuming it's a good thing to do but I suspect like all things there'll be pros and cons
Bikes like these can get away with bad spokes because nobody takes them off road except the truly brave. Fashion statements don’t need good spokes.
I think the spoke corrosion will happen whatever you do with the bike. Makes them hard work to keep looking clean which some people like to value. Stainless would be nice for everyone I think
@@nathanthepostman Yeah, but it costs extra money and it's all about the profit. What is your opinion about cast wheels then? They have proven a long time ago that they can take terrain well enough. As long as one doesn't jump too high. By the way: I suggested Usernamekate to have a look at your CCM video. Don't know if she did though! 😅
I don't mind cast rims. I've got them on a few bikes and never cracked on. They just don't seem to do them as a 21 inch. And spokes do look cooler. I get the aspect of cost, but my £7k Moro Morini has tubeless spoked rims with stainless rims. It's not completely impossible at a good price point then. Personally I'd pay a bit more for the bike and not have the hassle. But I know the bean counters have their reasoning!
@@nathanthepostman Moto Morini! Me like!
a V-strom with character , are you sure !
I know! I was a bit surprised myself
Still looking for the character 👀 😂
l also hate tube tyres , even though l have them on my himmy , l carry spare tubes and levers , never used them yet , but just as well as I've never done one yet 🤣
OLDER RIDERS ARE SIDELINED, let's have fun and ignore them.
When will the likes of Honda listen to the vast majority of buyers abd fit them with stainless steel spoked tubeless rims or at the very least as an option same with cruise control. Many more would be sold im sure
I like the vstrom 800, except the colours. I think they are horrendous colour schemes
the blue and white version from the 2024 painting looks nice
Hate to read MCN review, bet they slag it
Tubed rims indeed. Yet more proof that whoever designes bikes do not ride them.
IMHO the 800DE is a much better bike than the Transalp.
So you keep saying 🥱
@@mjonno64 The truth is the truth.
@@jonwoodworker except not everyone agrees with you do they? It is your opinion only. Have you even ridden the Transalp?
@@mjonno64 Yes, and the fueling and lack of low end torque is an off road nightmare. Shockingly, the TAlp is no easier to pick up than the 800DE. My opinion is also based on reviews of Adventure motorcycles, who have riden them both. No doubt Honda will sell 5 times as many because most ADV buyers are gullible. If you want an ADV bike the 800DE IS better. If you want a street bike that looks like an ADV bike ,well the TAlp is your ticket. But you enjoy that non adjustable budget suspension. And be vary careful if you weigh over 150lbs.
Camera trouble? Luckily you are better at riding bikes. 😁
Or V-strom woman…
I'm a life long Suzuki fan, and have had 40 plus of their machines over the years, even bought a few new ones. But this for me is just a ugly looking bike. Great review mind you.
Funny you should say that about the rims being tubed. The new 1050 VStrom - DE version has a tubed front and tubeless rear . Another manufacturer does the same thing- cannot remember who ? , but in saying that KTM 790,890 1190,s Yamaha T7 DO have the issue with bending FRONT rims ( I have seen this myself in Australia we’re I live and quite a lot of BIG ADV riders are going to tubed fronts only . Also easier to change than a rear . BUT I get what you say MOST riders ( even in Australia will not take their 800 DE on HARD off road riding . It should be an optional.