I got those Sedici gloves just before a 1200 mile vacation ride in Texas -in June- know what you're talking about with the eheat!!! These gloves fit my 2xl hands like a 2xl glove should. Too often I have to get a 3x so the fingers are long enough. Anyway, they look great, flow a lot of air, and feel SAFE. Great ride!
@@BigRockMoto I will be interested in seeing what you do with the suspension. I have ridden mine off road but would like to see what you need to do for it to work well in gnarlier sections
Are you able to add a 5-second Keynote animation of your route on a map please (for us non-USA folk), thank you. We know the major cities of USA, but not the small towns and road names.
I enjoyed the additional commentary in this video. It creates a nice balance hearing about where your riding in addition to information about what your riding. I’m finding it more engaging than normal.
I ride a 2023 V-Storm 800DE Adventure and I have about 4500 miles on the bike. I ride 50/50 dirt to tarmac, mostly over the backroads and backcountry of Utah, Idaho, and Nevada. I love my V-Strom. The engine heat is noticeable but I haven’t made any changes. I guess I’ve gotten used to it. I love the suspension adjustability and I have mine set perfect for me and my style of riding. I switched out the stock tires with Motoz Tractionator GPS tires and they have performed well. Depending on the ride, I carry 35-60 pounds of gear and the bike manages the load pretty much the same with minimal compromise. It is an SUV of a motorcycle and does everything pretty doggone good.
@@love2huntbooks2 I did consider the Tiger 900. I also considered a KTM 890 and the Honda Transalp. I went with the V-Strom 800 DE Adventure because of reliability, price, dealer availability in my area, and the overall ready-to-roll package that the Adventure trim offered. The panniers, racks, skid plate and crash bars on the DE Adventure trim made it the best and most reliable option out there. I do most of my adventuring solo so I can't trust KTM. The Transalp was appealing but not as much as the DE with the Adventure trim. I have added the OEM center stand, the OEM heated grips, the OEM fog lamps, and added an additional accessory outlet. It is now nearing 7500 miles with no problems whatsoever. I did the Utah BDR in August and it performed very well (in fact, I coincidently bumped into Ian on that same trip!). I'm very happy with the bike.
That was great. We ride these adventure bikes to see all this great stuff but so few vloggers describe all the tremendous views and nature that makes it an adventure. Heat is always a consideration here in Australia, so covering the gear you are using to manage the elements is always useful. Thankyou, enjoyed it a lot.
I’m not usually one for commenting on videos, but I feel compelled to tell you that I really like the format of this video. I appreciate your insights and I enjoyed the little glimpse into your view of the area you live in. I think you’re friggin hilarious. Your dry-ass sense of humor is appreciated .
Love love LOVE this format where you incorporate geographical and historical references into the reviews. Makes the vids much more interesting and enjoyable. Should I ride through CA I’ll be sure to watch again. Great work.
I have this bike in a 2023 model. I am 6'4" and 230 lbs and come from a road race background in the early 2000s. What I like about this bike is that it is very forgiving in both on and off road riding. On the road, I think it changes direction extremely well, braking is good (but not great), acceleration is very good for its (and my) weight, ride quality when set up is excellent (pay attention to correct tire pressure - I run a couple psi lower than recommended), has very good off-idle throttle response and has excellent torque off idle as well. Seating position is very good for my size and that includes the fact that I had a total knee replacement a couple years back. I also like that the 800DE has limited electronics or more accurately, everything you need and nothing you don't. And you can figure it out on the fly easily. I also think the engine is very strong for a P-twin with very good acceleration, power band and torque curve (big and flat). I have yet to experience vibration, but if I really think about it, I do feel a narrow band of buzzy-ness mid-range. The bike feels as heavy as its weight suggests, but that also speaks to its ride when properly set up (weight smooths the ride to a certain degree) - road is smooth and gravel/hard pack is very good (compliant, with damping and rebound adjustable) right out of the box. Off road, I do not notice engine heat, but on road on a warm day, I can can feel engine heat. But nothing objectionable. What I don't like are the grips and no cruise. The windscreen is small, but I like being in clear air to help ventilate my helmet and jacket. Otherwise, I am sure this could be hot. Overall, for how Suzuki designed it, I think they nailed it. It is not a T700 or Toureg meant for cutting edge high-speed off road riding and its not a full time tarmac touring bike. It does both off road and road touring/adventure riding very well and with the entry point ($$$), it is a great bike. And I could care less about "the beak" - I never see it when riding. I would argue that 98% of the riding public would be completely satisfied and never feel most of the nuances you mention. I rode a lot of bikes before I chose the 800DE Adv: Toureg 600, V-Strom 1050, Africa Twin, T700, Motoguzzi, BMW 850/750 (omg, enough with the tech) and so on. Overall, dollar for dollar and for how I now ride, this is an excellent bike.
I found myself really enjoying this video! A big reason why I ride is to see interesting places and enjoy the history and geography of these areas. Your video really hit the sweet spot for these interests. Very well done Ian, thank you.
I have owned this bike for 4 months and 6500Km (4000 miles), I think you have described the only two defects I find at the moment in this bike: vibrations on footpegs and handlebars at highway speeds; heat on the right side (not unbearable but annoying on very hot days). I always appreciate your videos, thanks.
I own the bike and yes, engine heat is a problem whenever temperature gets above 27ºC or so. I didn't really feel it in spring and I think it won't be a problem after the summer. I'm not going to make any change, though, I guess I'm getting used to it. I agree on the suspensions being soft but regulating them goes a long way in getting them to work superbly, both front and rear. About the engine, it's not the most powerful engine but it's incredibly elastic, giving you something at all RPM. I really love it. For me, the really negative point is weight. You don't really notice it on tarmac and on the move generally because weight distribution is very good, but when moving the bike around you really notice it's 220kg. The fact that other similar, competing bikes (T7, BMW F800GS, etc.) weight more or less the same (except for the Honda Transalp) is no consolation. I think Suzuki has made a great bike in all the basic, really important stuff (engine, chassis and geometry, suspensions, handling, traction control, ABS, motor mapping, etc.) with the right amount of electronics (except for cruise control, though).
I loved the extra commentary, you live in a beautiful place and find its geography really interesting. About the comment at 9:10 I can understand, I live in a small town at the base of one of the tallest mountain ranges in central Italy and sometimes I would like to have all the services and opportunities of a big city, but having the opportunity of riding through the woods or start hiking in less than an hour from my house it's a blessing
I'm happy to see you talking about nature preservation stuff and natural disasters like fires in addition to bikes. Important topics. You have excellent scenery there and so much variety in landscapes, environment and roads. Looks great. Not boring at all! (to answer your question)
Man you are a hero just for ridding under these temperatures wearing full equipment! I mean, even the most ventilated gear cannot help with these temperatures.
Really cool video. Nice change up. I enjoyed the background on Californias landscape, history and some recent events. And it reminded me of my time I spent there in 2004 and again in 2011. in 2011 I was able to ride a motorcycle first from L.A. to San Francisco and back and than a couple of days around L.A.s valleys. One time I also went up to Big Bear, but I did that at the end of November with summer riding gear. Very bad idea XD. But I will never forget it. Monday I will go on a weeks trip with a friend. I actually life in Germany and we will do a round trip to Italy and back. After 9 years without a bike because of health issues and now that I overcame the struggling times owning the 1300 (big reason was you, but it was a dream of mine as well) I am a bit nervous about travelling again. But the anticipation and joy I feel is increadible. So glad to be a motorcycle rider again. Nothing comes close to it.
Yeah the leg heat is annoying. Some have gone the arrow header route to remove the catalytic converter and report that it helped in reducing heat felt. One guy on stormtrooper built a heat shield, that sandwiches between the skid plate and the engine and he reported much less heat felt.
Love that whole area. Grandparents lived in Hemet. Used to pan for gold in the San Jacinto mountains and eat apples in Oak Glen. Great memories. Need to take a moto trip back and visit the area again. If you're ever in San Bernardino, try a burrito at Rosa Maria's on N. Sierra Way.
I live in the Phoenix, AZ area and own a 2023 V-Strom 800DE. I purchased it new late last year and now have 4,300 miles on it. I ride 2/3 on pavement and 1/3 on dirt and gravel. I don’t do any serious off-road riding. I’ve owned 2018 and 2021 Africa Twin Adventure Sport DCT’s. I absolutely loved the 2018 (except for the weight and seat height). The 2021…not so much. The ’21 model threw off much more engine heat ’18, and right into my lap…unbearable on a 100-degree day. The on/off throttle response was also terrible and couldn’t be tuned out because Honda locks down their ECU’s. Before buying the V-Strom, I took long rides on a Triumph Tiger 900, a KTM 890 Standard, and a Tuareg 660. The Triumph and the KTM vibrated badly at 70+ mph, and all three test bikes threw off tons of engine heat. I didn’t like any of them, so I bought the Suzuki based on several reviews. Well, it cooks the rider on hot days too. It’s no hotter than my ’21 AT, though, and is “cooler” than the other three highly rated bikes I test rode. In terms of engine vibration, the Suzuki shakes less than the Tiger or KTM at highway speeds and is close in smoothness to the Tuareg. None can compete with the big Honda's for their near total lack of vibration, though. So, what about the Suzuki’s vibration and heat? For the vibration, I removed the factory engine guards as suggested on the V-Strom forum. It made a noticeable difference, and while I still feel some vibration in the right foot peg at certain rpm’s, it’s now a “non factor”. Concerning the engine heat, I ride in jeans, so I really feel it on hot days. I’ve started wearing XL elbow sleeves on my calves as insulation (under my jeans). I’m 6’, 165 lbs, and they fit perfectly. I’ve also discovered that where I sit (towards the tank or towards the back of the seat) makes a difference. So does spreading my legs a little vs. hugging the tank. Mostly though, I just don’t ride it when it’s over 95 degrees. There are a lot of people working on the heat issue, but the best solution so far is a decat…which helps but doesn’t eliminate the problem. I really like this bike and plan to keep it. The suspension performance, the torque, the road manors, and comfort are all hard to beat!
Good comment about the 8% speedo error. I corrected that on my 2011 Suzuki V-Strom by replacing the gauge faces with aftermarket items. It is now spot on according the various radar speed signs I pass. I enjoyed the commentary on this video!
What a superb video. As someone who lives in Scotland but adores California (I was in Big Bear in March), the knowledge you shared about the beautiful area you live was really enjoyed.
That was actually a great ride. I enjoyed the geography and the hot weather tips. I try to avoid hot weather riding in Ontario Canada. I will try a soaked balaclava tomorrow. I ride a 2017 V Strom 650. I am happy with it. Took a V Strom 800 RE for a demo, it is a fantastic bike.
I purchased my V Strom 800 DE a little over a month ago. I’ve put around 2800 miles on it from highways, backroads, dirt roads and heavy traffic with temps around 100 degrees. Maybe I just got lucky, but mine isn’t too hot as far as temps go. It’s slightly warmer than my other bikes (a gold wing, a ZH2, and a Triumph Bonneville) but it really hasn’t been a problem. I’ve seen posts from some owners that showed their legs looking slightly burned from the heat, but I haven’t had any issue with it.
Solution about HEAT. Just check left side and notice plastic cover next to radiator fan :) (You wont see it at the right side) Find some elastic metarial similar but do not close entirely, just use locking cable tie and expand it till front of your leg till right protection-crash bar. (Of course SUZUKI didnt forget to install it 😀 I think there is some kind of electronics they dont want to boil- because of that do not close. Just change air flow direction with this advice)
I've been waiting for another episode from your 800de series! So excited. Full transparency, your final verdict/opinions reflecting long-term ownership heavily weigh my decision to sell my current mt10 and buy the DE for touring. In the next few years, I'm doing a Dallas, TX, to Bellingham, WA, trip; I think this would be an excellent bike for it.
Very enjoyable Ian. A nice balance of geography, geology and history but with enough info about the bike. Works better than just talking about the bike. More like this please.
I was about to downsize from my V-Strom 1000 to a V-Strom 650 when the 800 came out. The 800 looks to be a nice bike but I still might get a 650 for nostalgia's sake. FWIW I'd consider having that bleeding forehead spot checked by a dermatologist, I'm glad I had mine looked at, it was cancer. (Nearly the same location as yours)
I spent most of my weekends in the 1990’s rock climbing around Idyllwild. Taquitz Rock is historic in the climbing community, much like Yosemite. 👍🏻 Love the Travel Vlog 😊 Jans Red Kettle for breakfast 🍳
Loved the relaxed "travel, history, geology, biology ... vlog" approach of this video. Yet, you still talked about the motorcycle, it was informative and not too overwhelmingly technical.
Charming video. Great to hear you geeking out about other things as well. I tune in for the bike review but the interludes add welcome colour. It would be interesting to know where the excessive heat is coming from. Yours is one of several reviews I've encountered mentioning the heat off this gen of bikes (not just the V-Strom). A thermal imaging camera might be interesting to point at this bike.
I like the nerdy geographical information. My Dad lives in Palm Springs and when I visit, the average age drops from 85 down to 55 so it’s nice to leave the valley and go to Idyllwild to get out in the mountains. Beautiful spot!
First class video thanks Ian. Thoroughly enjoy your thoughts, considerations and concerns while you were out and micely puts into perspective the priorities of equipment vs experience. Much appreciated, thanks.
Dude, mountain riding is awesome me and my buddy just got back from Colorado. We did 1,200 miles in 4 days. While it may not sound like a lot of miles to guys who ride from, say Chicago out to Sturgis and back, but our riding was up the mountain and down the mountain and thru the valleys. It’s very technical, especially places like Estes Park and Pikes Peak. Show me more mountains
I really enjoyed this video as it was something totally new and well informative! Never thought about the topographical and weather conditions in South California, so it was a pleasure to hear some knowledge from a local person. However, a few weeks ago I needed to do 2 consecutive days of riding in the 100 - 105 degrees range (38-40 Celsius) with more than 10 hours per day... just like you I do have big problem with the heat and nothing really helped at the end of the ride...I just felt exhausted and slowly cooked on the saddle. Soaking the base layer/balaclava, using a mesh jacket and summer dedicated gear, putting ice cubes in the pockets - all those tricks definitely help but at the end of the day I still feel smashed as my heat resistance isn't great. Honestly, I was researching for better vented mesh jacket since then but the best solution would be not to ride in temperatures above 95 degrees (35 Celsius) if thee is no need to do it.
As always, your coverage is excellent. Couldn't agree more about electrolytes. I've ridden through some serious heat, both on my Aprilia and Harley. Choose your time of the day when to travel. The earlier the better. You don't want to ride through Death Valley at 2PM. You would think this should be simple but you would be surprised how many people ignore the time of the day. Spend some money on the cooling vest. Stop and cool off at the gas stations and resoak your vest. Love your channel.
Really enjoyed the commentary in the video, spent the majority of my childhood growing up in the Antelope Valley. I bought a GSX-8R a few months ago and my speedo is also about 8% off as well. Regarding engine vibes, it was pretty noticeable for the first few hundred miles, but it seems to have settled down some after I did the first service. The veridian cruise kit also works great.
Since I'm not good at English, I'm using a translation tool to write this. I always enjoy watching your videos. I especially loved the series on the Transalp and the one on the V-Strom 800DE from a year ago, which I’ve watched multiple times. As a result, I decided on the gray V-Strom 800DE from last year this April, and it was delivered this June. I'm still getting used to it, and since the handguards haven't arrived yet, I haven't taken it off-road seriously. For now, I’m riding off-road with my CRF 250 Rally. In Japan, due to license and inspection regulations, we have the 250cc model instead of the 300cc. Once the handguards arrive, I plan to change the tires and start some serious off-road riding. I truly believe what you said: "Spec sheets don’t tell the story." However, I do find the heat, the vibrations around 5,000 RPM, and the optimistic speedometer, which reads a few percent higher than actual speed, quite annoying. I’m really looking forward to more of your informative and inspiring videos. On a side note, my 17 and 15-year-old daughters are spending this summer in San Diego. I also spent the summer there 36 years ago, when I was 17.
Question: How is the pillion comfort with the side cases being mounted so high? Really enjoying your thorough content, also definitely a fan of the free american geography lessons thrown in! Thanks!
Who doesn’t enjoy a good MYLF! 😂 UK subscriber here and this has been one of your best videos yet, combining nature with motorbikes! I watch a lot of moto-camping videos and moto-travel videos, so this video hit the sweet spot of nature/travel/bike review. Only thing missing is a keynote animation showing your rotate on a map 🗺️ (for us non-USA folk that don’t have a clue which roads and where you’re riding) Keep up the good work mate, really enjoyable to share your adventures 👍
Great job with the video, … I grew up in S. Cal. and I really enjoyed the ride through these areas! The heat issue surprised me, as a former VStrom 650 owner (with no CAT), I never experienced excessive heat with that bike. My Tuareg 660 also puts out a fair bit on heat on the right side that I only notice on hot days, and for fall, winter and spring riding the heat is actually very welcome. Might be what you have to put up with from modern higher performance twin cylinder ADV bikes with catalytic converters. Thanks
Ian I really enjoyed this video. I don't live on your side of town so it was really cool to hear about the local areas on your ride up the mountain. The little blurbs about the area add context to viewers that aren't familiar with the area and that's something I like to see, even if it was unplanned. It makes me want to take a day trip out that way to check it out. One thing about Idylwild that I really love is how their mayor is a golden retriever.
Thanks for the tour of southern CA. I wonder if the reason you went more travel blog is the bike. The Suzuki 800DE, to be honest, is an unremarkable bike (similar to my BMW F750GS). Reliable and powerful enough to not have to work it every km of the trip, but not so powerful you have to manage it all the time (or get tempted to use it!). In reality, the bike gets out of the way and just becomes a travel tool. Perhaps these should be travel bikes rather than adventure bikes.
We could use more logging in this state. Do it smartly and we could greatly diminish the impact of forest fires with little to no environmental damage. I love this state, but boy do we need better management. /rant I agree! Protect the MYLF population! 🤣 Another great video! Thanks, BRM!
I have experienced the same engine heat. I do need to stand up, or re-orient my right leg to get away from the heat. I have highway pegs that also help for long highway stints. Off-road I do not notice it as much since I am stand-up. Currently doing the NorclCal BDR. I am still learning about the bike, but so far, I am very much enjoying it. Thanks for the video and sharing your insight
Well done from a rider in the foothills of the northern sierras this heat is something special for us. I can only imagine trying to do content in such hot weather, Kudos to you, big time and I love your part of the beautiful sierras, great road trip. When it’s over 97 the Norden stays in the garage 👍
Ride it when its 110 !!! Be a man!! 🤣🤣 Im in Arizona and I agree on the bike sleeping in the garage above 95. It just makes any ride un-enjoyable even with my GSA let alone my Road king…🫡🇺🇸🌵
I recently got a 2022 Moto Guzzi V85TT. I know a lot of people, and myself, worry about engine heat from the exposed cylinders. It's not bad at all, even while riding in 94° heat it wasnt an issue. A pleasant surprise. My friend just got a brand new T7 and I was surprised how much more i felt the heat from that bike, particularly when the cooling fan kicked on. It's easy to think that just because a bike is liquid cooled, it will feel cooler than an air-cooled bike. That may not always be the case. Liquid cooled bikes have to scoop and channel air through the radiator, and the exhaust of that has to end up somewhere. Likely, or necessarily, around the twin cylinders, out the side and into the rider's legs.
I have a 22 v85 TT as well and it is counterintuitive. Those big cylinders sticking out there you think could be really hot but I find it better than many but I have owned in the past. Viva Guzzista. People don't understand. And that's okay. I encourage Ian to get the new v85 TT and run it. Then he may really get the feeling of a motorcycle with soul
same with the big GS honestly, it really is not a hot bike at all from the engine, i think maybe the wind blowing directly over exposed cylinders does keep the noticeable heat down.
Factory tuned bikes are compliant to Euro5, not to rider comfort. What this means is instead of operating the engine at the technical stoichiometric optimal air/fuel ratio, they run them much leaner. Lean combustion leads to much more heat, also induces combustion-related vibration making engines vibrate more.
@bonesworld7178 It gets overlooked for bikes like the T7, 800DE, KTMs, Africa Twins, etc, but Moto Guzzi definitely got some things right. For one, when you shut the bike off in custom mode, it's in custom mode when you turn the key on. A lot of bikes require the rider to navigate menus to turn off the ABS and traction control again. At a little over 210 pounds with gear, I can get the suspension tuned for my needs without maxing out spring preload. When the preload and rebound are set correctly, the suspension actually does really well offroad and seems to eat washboard gravel. I think the problem is that people also ride and short-shift it like a Harley. The V85TT loves to rev! Its a blast on pavement and forest road because of it. I love how it shakes at idle and then smooths right out with a hint of V-twin pulse in the bars and pegs while cruising. I shortened the stock windscreen a lot, and it feels more like a cruiser from the rider position, but I can ride it like a scrambler or tour on it. It's a very versatile bike that is more like a scrambler than mid-weight ADV bike, IMO. I wanted a Moto Guzzi for a long time, and I absolutely love it. The Mandello is gorgeous, but I would love a California Eldorado 1400 to be my next MG.
Thanks again for another great upload Ian. I walked past the 800 when I realised it didn't have cruise control on a bike supposedly designed to do distance rides. It was a non negotiable for me. Same goes for the 650 which I would have been very happy with. Test rode the Tiger 900 GT Pro and a hot left leg in traffic (during winter down here) put me off it. Slowly getting some kilometres on my month old V-Strom 1050 which doesn't give me a hot leg and does have cruise control so I guess Suzuki got me to do what they wanted 😁
As a midwesterner, it’s really interesting to learn about the geo/topographical differences in Southern California. A lot more interesting than woods and cornfields 😅.
Ian cold water will NEVER quench your thirst… it lowers your body temp making the ambient temp higher… Room temp is ideal… learn from an Ex-soldier… Also you need a gallon of water per hour to stay hydrated in high heat temps… Ride safe 🫡🇺🇸🌵
And yet when my dog couldn't drink water the vet recommended him "sucking" or licking an ice cube and mentioned an ice cube is like a glass of water from a hydration perspective. Personally I find drinking room temp water to just make my belly heavy with the weight of all the warm water and I stay in high temps. We regularly have 40C (104F) in summer (Winter days around 22C - 72F). Give me cold water anyday I hate the sloshing of "gallons" of room temp water. Maybe lowering a person's temp means less sweat and hence less loss of water?
Ahhhh, this is adding more practicality in testing the bikes. I wasn't expecting a 200 mile trip but this just further solidifies the riding experience. I like this, especially the lunch part because we can see how you are physically doing from the ride.
Hey Ian, I have had my DE for around 6 months and in UK the heat is less of an issue, although you do feel it. Especially on the right hand side. I upped the compression damping on the shock and the forks and upped the preload too, also sped up the rebound as it was a bit wallowy. Made a big difference for my 95KG frame. Overall I am very happy with the bike... definitely comes to life once you put a few miles on it.
Do you think after the first service was re set that it unlocked the engine somewhat??? I can't figure out if I just got more aggressive after the brake in service or what hahaha.
Nice video. the leg roasting reminds me of my '14 Vstrom 650. Miss the views and being around the coast and having the mountains near us when I lived in Oceanside. Don't miss the politics of Cali though. Could never go back the way things are now.Really miss the riding though. Keep up the amazing videos and reviews.
I bought a new bike at end of June and this V-Strom was one I was considering but I got the sportsbike bug and picked up the sibling GSX 8R with same engine that Suzuki probably tuned slightly different between the two types of bikes. After 1K miles I love the engine and that same TFT. The torque at any gear and rpm is lovely.
Nice vlog Ian, I liked the personal and travel info, let's have more of that please. You always have good info about the bikes but It's good to have something else too. 5 Stars✴✴✴✴✴
Great content; I enjoyed the geography lesson! The heat and buzz have been my two greatest complaints so far; I hope Suzuki can figure that out. I suggest looking into the California Scientific touring windscreens if a super tall touring screen is of interest. My big deal has been this tire recall situation; I’ve got front/rear Anakee Adventures sitting in my garage ready for fitting and I hope other DE riders affected by this can get it sorted quickly.
Plenty of bikes seem to dissipate a lot of heat nowadays. I've certainly been on some large engine Harley-Davidsons which run a lot hotter than this motorcycle. During my demo ride I didn't really notice much heat as we were generally moving for most of the ride. While at a couple of stop lights. I noticed a little bit of heat. Not that bad though.
After riding the V-Strom for a while makes you wonder why you got rid of the Transalp 750 I guess. Oh Ian all the stuff you are nerding out on I find super awesome to know since I love to travel. You give us the best videos, keep them coming Ian.
love my DE but I agree, a lot of vibration around 5000 to 6000 rpm and the Cruise Control should be on the bike. Suzuki won't sale more 1050 just by denying the CC to the little V-strom! PS : I drink Brawndo all the time! Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes PPS : Protect the MYLFs!!
47T Tenere rear sprocket will fit. Confirm 525 pitch. it lowered tach about 500RPMs. Can use same chain. I shift about 4k RPMs normal riding. Got the idea from an ADV forum member. 🤜🤛
Very nice "motorcycle video". Nice to hear more about your region. A lot different from where i live here, in Belgium. I like your style of vlogging. Keep up the good videos ✌️
That damn heat has came all the way across the country. High 90's and 100% humidity in KY. Need an air conditioner on your back. Good vid. My old life in hell, I mean Phoenix. Keep check on those places on your face. Mine turned into basal cell carcinoma. Pure hell but never turned worse. Bad having your nose skin shaved off, twice. Hurt like hell, levitate on the table. So keep check. Idyllwild is a very beautiful area. Rode thru there several times for the same reasons others do. Cool it a little. And it's really nice. Powder keg though. The thing with all the vents, when it's like 140F on the road they wick away all the body moisture and will really zap you in short order. You get over on the river Blyth to Puma with the humidity and it's terrible. Take your breath. Milf's are ok, frogs, can make one way or another. One is a frog, other likes it like a frog. The world is good with both. Big elevation change between there and El Centro, Mexicali, Salton Sea area. One day in Coolidge AZ it was 124, on north in Heber it was 32F, the hottest and coldest places in America that day. If you know where to go generally in a few minutes you can be far away from the maddening crowd. head toward the coast or desert. Follow the big crack, some great riding. You gota get up on the bars and bear down on those tar snakes. Dangerous. We have them as well. I worked out of the Redlands office for a while. NFS, busy picking up trash from campers that don't give a shit. Causes places to be closed down so good caring people can't use them anymore. Happening all over. Just being smart with the water. Last time in Death Valley it was 128F, Vegas was 111F at midnight. Glad we aren't riding the 20 mule train borax wagon. Legs are right beside a big water heater that is vented away from them. Look at side views of other bikes you'll see what I mean, mostly feel it. All good.
800de owner here. I don't notice the heat too much wearing mosko woodsman pants with revit expedition boots in 100 degree heat--at low speeds i begin to notice, but I'm also not that heat sensitive. I have heard replacing the exhaust has made a huge difference for heat reduction. Also, i have heard other users report that the 5k rattle is due to the clutch basket.
I own this bike, I live in Las Vegas. The hottest I've ever taken it out at was about 110º. Strangely, I find the heat off the bike there sometimes, and other times not a problem at all.
15:43 when you say roasting are you talking painfully uncomfortable or just more heat then you'd like? Have you ridden it in cooler condition yet? Is it weather dependent?
I own a 800DE since 2023, and i can confirm: the heat really is a problem. My mechanic, from which ive also bought it, said jokingly "it is an excellent winter bike - you wont freeze to death". Ive heard rumors theres a company in germany designing and creating some sort of shielding to deflect some of the heat (it only burns from the right side, right?). My mechanic also said, the reason of the excessive engine temperature is to fulfill the euro5 norm here in europe. It runs very lean and thus more heat is produced. Later, around 13'000km on it, id still buy it again.
Really like your commentary in this video. Feels like you're in your zone - riding and talking about geography and weather. Great job! We will have to have you over to our area, San Luis Obispo County, sometime. Also, I think it would be great to do a series on old-er adventure bikes and how they measure up. I've got a Triumph Tiger 955i that still seems competitive with the latest bikes. I ride the beast like a dual sport, even with the lousy stock suspension (not for long), and it's a hoot!
G'day Ian, well that was a little different from you, however I really enjoyed it. Thank you Ian for providing something a little different as there is more to life. I think it's very important that people understand how quickly heatstroke can effect somebody and the seriousness of it. In regards to the heat from the exhaust, would applying fibreglass exhaust tape help reduce the heat as I've seen big cruisers use this method on there Harley's and Indian's. Be safe mate during those blistering days and I look forward to watching more. Be safe and throttle on
Great video, feel like I've been on a ride in the Californian mountains, that is serious heat and weather damage, that engine heat could be a welcome thing here in Ireland, we have had a miserable summer on the west coast, then again I think I'd prefer our cool climate to that extremes you get. Great engine on that bike, looking to get the road version next year, hopefully some new colour variants announced at Eicma in November.
Hi, I have this bike since a couple of months and have 13k km on it. While I like it a lot, the heat coming from the right side is truly annoying. We’re currently in Albania and it’s hot, 34-38°C and that combined with the heat coming from the engine is truly awful. My other comment is the weak suspension, which I will have cured once I get back home in the Netherlands it’s a very good bike for a reasonable price. Thank you for your videos, I really enjoy watching them!
Loved this video. I grew up in Redlands in the 80's and had a Yamaha Vision in high school. Made that ride up to Oak Glen and Big Bear many times. I haven't rode on 38 in probably 35 years, nice to see it hasn't changed. Quick question, I'm looking at getting a mid size adventure bike and have narrowed it down to the KTM 890, Tiger 900 and the V-Strom. The one negative thing I heard about the KTM's was how hot the engine got on your legs. How does the V-Strom compare to the KTM for that? Thanks again for the great video, don't forget to get a hot apple pie ala mode next time you ride through Oak Glen!
Just finished a 3k km trip from Washington (WBDR parts) then roads. I hit 41C and got burned out. Yes the heat sucks but I wear the Minus -1 Klim and Baja S4 and its fine. I heard the Arrow pipes get rid of the heat, its all coming from the CAT. I have now 24k km on my 2023. Its a fantastic bike. FYI The best soft bags are the SW Motech SYSBAG WP L
I've always wondered if you lived in the Lake Hemet area! That's a really nice area. I loved escaping the city and spending the weekend up there when I lived in SoCal.
Appreciated the information about Southern California topography, climate etc. We just moved from Marina del Rey living on a boat to a house on a hilltop in De Luz near Fallbrook/Temecula, quite a different experience, love the nature. Riding my BMWs F800ST and C650 GT but interested in getting more of a highway tourer for my commute to LA once a week, and the Suzuki might be the ticket if it's light and agile enough for the notorious lane splitting parts of my commute
I used to live in Hemet, I now reside in my home country retired in the Philippines. Love riding my motorcycle up to Idyllwild, then down to the 10fwy and back home. I had an 82 Yamaha Seca 650, 84 Honda CB 650 Nighthawk, 86 Magna V45, 86 Yamaha Maxim 700, 90 Yamaha FZR 400 ( which I still have in storage in US), 98 GSXR 750, 2002 GSXR 1000, 2006 SV 650, 2008 Suzuki M50, 2012 Honda CBR 1000R, 98 VFR 800, and a 2013 ZG1400. Now I’m riding a small Honda Click 125 for around town errands. I’m looking to buy a small ADV, maybe the 2024 Honda NX500.
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I got those Sedici gloves just before a 1200 mile vacation ride in Texas -in June- know what you're talking about with the eheat!!! These gloves fit my 2xl hands like a 2xl glove should. Too often I have to get a 3x so the fingers are long enough. Anyway, they look great, flow a lot of air, and feel SAFE. Great ride!
What it's like compared to the Transalp 750, since you've owned one. Cheers.
@@BigRockMoto I will be interested in seeing what you do with the suspension. I have ridden mine off road but would like to see what you need to do for it to work well in gnarlier sections
What do you think of the stock crash bars? Suzuki lists the as “accessory bars”… which makes me wonder how much actual protection they provide.
Are you able to add a 5-second Keynote animation of your route on a map please (for us non-USA folk), thank you.
We know the major cities of USA, but not the small towns and road names.
I enjoyed the additional commentary in this video. It creates a nice balance hearing about where your riding in addition to information about what your riding. I’m finding it more engaging than normal.
awesome, thank you.
Agreed. You live in an amazing place, Ian! Thanks for sharing it with us.
Thank you for including the Celsius conversions. The rest of the world outside of USA appreciates it 😃
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@@deanholden1808 2x+30, that's just like the recommended speed signs for the curves... 🙂
I ride a 2023 V-Storm 800DE Adventure and I have about 4500 miles on the bike. I ride 50/50 dirt to tarmac, mostly over the backroads and backcountry of Utah, Idaho, and Nevada. I love my V-Strom. The engine heat is noticeable but I haven’t made any changes. I guess I’ve gotten used to it. I love the suspension adjustability and I have mine set perfect for me and my style of riding. I switched out the stock tires with Motoz Tractionator GPS tires and they have performed well. Depending on the ride, I carry 35-60 pounds of gear and the bike manages the load pretty much the same with minimal compromise. It is an SUV of a motorcycle and does everything pretty doggone good.
What "changes" you wanted to make to limit catalic converter (this is the source of the problem not engine) heat? 😊 Redesign motorcycle? 😂
Can I ask if you considered the Tiger 850/900 when you bought your vStrom and what made you decide on the vStrom? Thanks!
@@love2huntbooks2 I did consider the Tiger 900. I also considered a KTM 890 and the Honda Transalp. I went with the V-Strom 800 DE Adventure because of reliability, price, dealer availability in my area, and the overall ready-to-roll package that the Adventure trim offered. The panniers, racks, skid plate and crash bars on the DE Adventure trim made it the best and most reliable option out there. I do most of my adventuring solo so I can't trust KTM. The Transalp was appealing but not as much as the DE with the Adventure trim. I have added the OEM center stand, the OEM heated grips, the OEM fog lamps, and added an additional accessory outlet. It is now nearing 7500 miles with no problems whatsoever. I did the Utah BDR in August and it performed very well (in fact, I coincidently bumped into Ian on that same trip!). I'm very happy with the bike.
@@stellarwandertale2128 Thanks for walking me through your thought process. Helpful.
You can change the exhaust man.with a full system.that would be a good change@@podunkman2709
That was great. We ride these adventure bikes to see all this great stuff but so few vloggers describe all the tremendous views and nature that makes it an adventure. Heat is always a consideration here in Australia, so covering the gear you are using to manage the elements is always useful. Thankyou, enjoyed it a lot.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I’m not usually one for commenting on videos, but I feel compelled to tell you that I really like the format of this video. I appreciate your insights and I enjoyed the little glimpse into your view of the area you live in. I think you’re friggin hilarious. Your dry-ass sense of humor is appreciated .
I appreciate that!
Love love LOVE this format where you incorporate geographical and historical references into the reviews. Makes the vids much more interesting and enjoyable. Should I ride through CA I’ll be sure to watch again. Great work.
thanks!
I have this bike in a 2023 model. I am 6'4" and 230 lbs and come from a road race background in the early 2000s. What I like about this bike is that it is very forgiving in both on and off road riding. On the road, I think it changes direction extremely well, braking is good (but not great), acceleration is very good for its (and my) weight, ride quality when set up is excellent (pay attention to correct tire pressure - I run a couple psi lower than recommended), has very good off-idle throttle response and has excellent torque off idle as well. Seating position is very good for my size and that includes the fact that I had a total knee replacement a couple years back. I also like that the 800DE has limited electronics or more accurately, everything you need and nothing you don't. And you can figure it out on the fly easily. I also think the engine is very strong for a P-twin with very good acceleration, power band and torque curve (big and flat). I have yet to experience vibration, but if I really think about it, I do feel a narrow band of buzzy-ness mid-range. The bike feels as heavy as its weight suggests, but that also speaks to its ride when properly set up (weight smooths the ride to a certain degree) - road is smooth and gravel/hard pack is very good (compliant, with damping and rebound adjustable) right out of the box. Off road, I do not notice engine heat, but on road on a warm day, I can can feel engine heat. But nothing objectionable. What I don't like are the grips and no cruise. The windscreen is small, but I like being in clear air to help ventilate my helmet and jacket. Otherwise, I am sure this could be hot. Overall, for how Suzuki designed it, I think they nailed it. It is not a T700 or Toureg meant for cutting edge high-speed off road riding and its not a full time tarmac touring bike. It does both off road and road touring/adventure riding very well and with the entry point ($$$), it is a great bike. And I could care less about "the beak" - I never see it when riding. I would argue that 98% of the riding public would be completely satisfied and never feel most of the nuances you mention. I rode a lot of bikes before I chose the 800DE Adv: Toureg 600, V-Strom 1050, Africa Twin, T700, Motoguzzi, BMW 850/750 (omg, enough with the tech) and so on. Overall, dollar for dollar and for how I now ride, this is an excellent bike.
I found myself really enjoying this video! A big reason why I ride is to see interesting places and enjoy the history and geography of these areas. Your video really hit the sweet spot for these interests. Very well done Ian, thank you.
Love a bit of travel vlog and riding. Also … Save The MYLFS! 😂
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I appreciate the talk of trees, neighborhoods as well as the bike info. Lovely seeing parts of California I haven't seen
Video looking crisp! And really liked the commentary, what an interesting part of the world you live in. Appreciate your work.
Thanks for watching
I have owned this bike for 4 months and 6500Km (4000 miles), I think you have described the only two defects I find at the moment in this bike: vibrations on footpegs and handlebars at highway speeds; heat on the right side (not unbearable but annoying on very hot days).
I always appreciate your videos, thanks.
Would like to have one but not with those problems, especially the vibration deal, have arthritis and other problems and can't do vibration.
What's better than a BRM bike review? One with nature, geography and history added! Good job!
thanks
I own the bike and yes, engine heat is a problem whenever temperature gets above 27ºC or so. I didn't really feel it in spring and I think it won't be a problem after the summer. I'm not going to make any change, though, I guess I'm getting used to it.
I agree on the suspensions being soft but regulating them goes a long way in getting them to work superbly, both front and rear.
About the engine, it's not the most powerful engine but it's incredibly elastic, giving you something at all RPM. I really love it.
For me, the really negative point is weight. You don't really notice it on tarmac and on the move generally because weight distribution is very good, but when moving the bike around you really notice it's 220kg. The fact that other similar, competing bikes (T7, BMW F800GS, etc.) weight more or less the same (except for the Honda Transalp) is no consolation.
I think Suzuki has made a great bike in all the basic, really important stuff (engine, chassis and geometry, suspensions, handling, traction control, ABS, motor mapping, etc.) with the right amount of electronics (except for cruise control, though).
Really helpful, thanks!
I loved the extra commentary, you live in a beautiful place and find its geography really interesting. About the comment at 9:10 I can understand, I live in a small town at the base of one of the tallest mountain ranges in central Italy and sometimes I would like to have all the services and opportunities of a big city, but having the opportunity of riding through the woods or start hiking in less than an hour from my house it's a blessing
I too loved the additional commentary! From the serious to the lighthearted MYLF comments... Keep adding it in the future! 👍🏻🍻😁
I've learned so much in such a short time. This is the best video I've watched in a while.
I'm happy to see you talking about nature preservation stuff and natural disasters like fires in addition to bikes. Important topics. You have excellent scenery there and so much variety in landscapes, environment and roads. Looks great. Not boring at all! (to answer your question)
Have almost 5000km on my 24 800de. Two thumbs up. Absolutely crushing my 2017 dl650xt in every way. Better fuel mileage too!!
Man you are a hero just for ridding under these temperatures wearing full equipment! I mean, even the most ventilated gear cannot help with these temperatures.
Really cool video. Nice change up. I enjoyed the background on Californias landscape, history and some recent events. And it reminded me of my time I spent there in 2004 and again in 2011. in 2011 I was able to ride a motorcycle first from L.A. to San Francisco and back and than a couple of days around L.A.s valleys. One time I also went up to Big Bear, but I did that at the end of November with summer riding gear. Very bad idea XD. But I will never forget it.
Monday I will go on a weeks trip with a friend. I actually life in Germany and we will do a round trip to Italy and back. After 9 years without a bike because of health issues and now that I overcame the struggling times owning the 1300 (big reason was you, but it was a dream of mine as well) I am a bit nervous about travelling again. But the anticipation and joy I feel is increadible. So glad to be a motorcycle rider again. Nothing comes close to it.
thanks for sharing
Yeah the leg heat is annoying. Some have gone the arrow header route to remove the catalytic converter and report that it helped in reducing heat felt.
One guy on stormtrooper built a heat shield, that sandwiches between the skid plate and the engine and he reported much less heat felt.
good info
Love that whole area. Grandparents lived in Hemet. Used to pan for gold in the San Jacinto mountains and eat apples in Oak Glen. Great memories. Need to take a moto trip back and visit the area again. If you're ever in San Bernardino, try a burrito at Rosa Maria's on N. Sierra Way.
I live in the Phoenix, AZ area and own a 2023 V-Strom 800DE. I purchased it new late last year and now have 4,300 miles on it. I ride 2/3 on pavement and 1/3 on dirt and gravel. I don’t do any serious off-road riding.
I’ve owned 2018 and 2021 Africa Twin Adventure Sport DCT’s. I absolutely loved the 2018 (except for the weight and seat height). The 2021…not so much. The ’21 model threw off much more engine heat ’18, and right into my lap…unbearable on a 100-degree day. The on/off throttle response was also terrible and couldn’t be tuned out because Honda locks down their ECU’s.
Before buying the V-Strom, I took long rides on a Triumph Tiger 900, a KTM 890 Standard, and a Tuareg 660. The Triumph and the KTM vibrated badly at 70+ mph, and all three test bikes threw off tons of engine heat.
I didn’t like any of them, so I bought the Suzuki based on several reviews. Well, it cooks the rider on hot days too. It’s no hotter than my ’21 AT, though, and is “cooler” than the other three highly rated bikes I test rode. In terms of engine vibration, the Suzuki shakes less than the Tiger or KTM at highway speeds and is close in smoothness to the Tuareg. None can compete with the big Honda's for their near total lack of vibration, though.
So, what about the Suzuki’s vibration and heat? For the vibration, I removed the factory engine guards as suggested on the V-Strom forum. It made a noticeable difference, and while I still feel some vibration in the right foot peg at certain rpm’s, it’s now a “non factor”.
Concerning the engine heat, I ride in jeans, so I really feel it on hot days. I’ve started wearing XL elbow sleeves on my calves as insulation (under my jeans). I’m 6’, 165 lbs, and they fit perfectly. I’ve also discovered that where I sit (towards the tank or towards the back of the seat) makes a difference. So does spreading my legs a little vs. hugging the tank. Mostly though, I just don’t ride it when it’s over 95 degrees. There are a lot of people working on the heat issue, but the best solution so far is a decat…which helps but doesn’t eliminate the problem.
I really like this bike and plan to keep it. The suspension performance, the torque, the road manors, and comfort are all hard to beat!
Thanks, good info!
Good comment about the 8% speedo error. I corrected that on my 2011 Suzuki V-Strom by replacing the gauge faces with aftermarket items. It is now spot on according the various radar speed signs I pass. I enjoyed the commentary on this video!
Man.. you deserve more views and subscribers. Currently you are MVP of all motorcycle reviewers 🔥
Thanks for showing and describing your area during the ride. It’s beautiful there even in the heat ! ✌️
What a superb video. As someone who lives in Scotland but adores California (I was in Big Bear in March), the knowledge you shared about the beautiful area you live was really enjoyed.
Beautiful video when you talk about where you live. Thanks again. Suzuki for me
That was actually a great ride. I enjoyed the geography and the hot weather tips. I try to avoid hot weather riding in Ontario Canada. I will try a soaked balaclava tomorrow. I ride a 2017 V Strom 650. I am happy with it. Took a V Strom 800 RE for a demo, it is a fantastic bike.
I purchased my V Strom 800 DE a little over a month ago. I’ve put around 2800 miles on it from highways, backroads, dirt roads and heavy traffic with temps around 100 degrees. Maybe I just got lucky, but mine isn’t too hot as far as temps go. It’s slightly warmer than my other bikes (a gold wing, a ZH2, and a Triumph Bonneville) but it really hasn’t been a problem. I’ve seen posts from some owners that showed their legs looking slightly burned from the heat, but I haven’t had any issue with it.
thanks for sharing
No way your bike is different than other 800 DEs. The problem is catalic converter placed in wrong place.
@@podunkman2709 I’m just saying even on crazy hot days, it doesn’t seem to be that big of an issue to me.
@@podunkman2709 Could the cat be removed?
Solution about HEAT. Just check left side and notice plastic cover next to radiator fan :) (You wont see it at the right side) Find some elastic metarial similar but do not close entirely, just use locking cable tie and expand it till front of your leg till right protection-crash bar. (Of course SUZUKI didnt forget to install it 😀 I think there is some kind of electronics they dont want to boil- because of that do not close. Just change air flow direction with this advice)
I've been waiting for another episode from your 800de series! So excited. Full transparency, your final verdict/opinions reflecting long-term ownership heavily weigh my decision to sell my current mt10 and buy the DE for touring. In the next few years, I'm doing a Dallas, TX, to Bellingham, WA, trip; I think this would be an excellent bike for it.
Had an itchy boot’s geography touch to the ride. Fun
Very enjoyable Ian. A nice balance of geography, geology and history but with enough info about the bike. Works better than just talking about the bike. More like this please.
I was about to downsize from my V-Strom 1000 to a V-Strom 650 when the 800 came out. The 800 looks to be a nice bike but I still might get a 650 for nostalgia's sake. FWIW I'd consider having that bleeding forehead spot checked by a dermatologist, I'm glad I had mine looked at, it was cancer. (Nearly the same location as yours)
I spent most of my weekends in the 1990’s rock climbing around Idyllwild. Taquitz Rock is historic in the climbing community, much like Yosemite. 👍🏻
Love the Travel Vlog 😊 Jans Red Kettle for breakfast 🍳
Very cool!
Big thanks for providing the metric system/centigrade/liters per km values! :)
Loved the relaxed "travel, history, geology, biology ... vlog" approach of this video. Yet, you still talked about the motorcycle, it was informative and not too overwhelmingly technical.
geology and weather info not boring at all, keep it coming
Charming video. Great to hear you geeking out about other things as well. I tune in for the bike review but the interludes add welcome colour. It would be interesting to know where the excessive heat is coming from. Yours is one of several reviews I've encountered mentioning the heat off this gen of bikes (not just the V-Strom). A thermal imaging camera might be interesting to point at this bike.
I like the nerdy geographical information. My Dad lives in Palm Springs and when I visit, the average age drops from 85 down to 55 so it’s nice to leave the valley and go to Idyllwild to get out in the mountains. Beautiful spot!
First class video thanks Ian. Thoroughly enjoy your thoughts, considerations and concerns while you were out and micely puts into perspective the priorities of equipment vs experience. Much appreciated, thanks.
Nice change of pace Ian. Thanks bud.
You bet
Hi Ian I really enjoyed this video with all the extra commentary on your local area well done.
I love that you dos talk about your the area where you live. I have never been to California but I feel little clores to it now.
Dude, mountain riding is awesome me and my buddy just got back from Colorado. We did 1,200 miles in 4 days. While it may not sound like a lot of miles to guys who ride from, say Chicago out to Sturgis and back, but our riding was up the mountain and down the mountain and thru the valleys. It’s very technical, especially places like Estes Park and Pikes Peak. Show me more mountains
I really enjoyed this video as it was something totally new and well informative! Never thought about the topographical and weather conditions in South California, so it was a pleasure to hear some knowledge from a local person. However, a few weeks ago I needed to do 2 consecutive days of riding in the 100 - 105 degrees range (38-40 Celsius) with more than 10 hours per day... just like you I do have big problem with the heat and nothing really helped at the end of the ride...I just felt exhausted and slowly cooked on the saddle. Soaking the base layer/balaclava, using a mesh jacket and summer dedicated gear, putting ice cubes in the pockets - all those tricks definitely help but at the end of the day I still feel smashed as my heat resistance isn't great. Honestly, I was researching for better vented mesh jacket since then but the best solution would be not to ride in temperatures above 95 degrees (35 Celsius) if thee is no need to do it.
Nice change of pace in this video, I really liked your extra chats. Seemed like you got along well with the bike too, so that makes it easier.
As always, your coverage is excellent. Couldn't agree more about electrolytes. I've ridden through some serious heat, both on my Aprilia and Harley. Choose your time of the day when to travel. The earlier the better. You don't want to ride through Death Valley at 2PM. You would think this should be simple but you would be surprised how many people ignore the time of the day. Spend some money on the cooling vest. Stop and cool off at the gas stations and resoak your vest. Love your channel.
Really enjoyed the commentary in the video, spent the majority of my childhood growing up in the Antelope Valley.
I bought a GSX-8R a few months ago and my speedo is also about 8% off as well. Regarding engine vibes, it was pretty noticeable for the first few hundred miles, but it seems to have settled down some after I did the first service. The veridian cruise kit also works great.
Since I'm not good at English, I'm using a translation tool to write this.
I always enjoy watching your videos. I especially loved the series on the Transalp and the one on the V-Strom 800DE from a year ago, which I’ve watched multiple times. As a result, I decided on the gray V-Strom 800DE from last year this April, and it was delivered this June.
I'm still getting used to it, and since the handguards haven't arrived yet, I haven't taken it off-road seriously. For now, I’m riding off-road with my CRF 250 Rally. In Japan, due to license and inspection regulations, we have the 250cc model instead of the 300cc.
Once the handguards arrive, I plan to change the tires and start some serious off-road riding. I truly believe what you said: "Spec sheets don’t tell the story." However, I do find the heat, the vibrations around 5,000 RPM, and the optimistic speedometer, which reads a few percent higher than actual speed, quite annoying.
I’m really looking forward to more of your informative and inspiring videos.
On a side note, my 17 and 15-year-old daughters are spending this summer in San Diego. I also spent the summer there 36 years ago, when I was 17.
Question: How is the pillion comfort with the side cases being mounted so high? Really enjoying your thorough content, also definitely a fan of the free american geography lessons thrown in! Thanks!
Hoped you enjoyed making this video, bc it was very enjoyable and entertaining. Educational even! Hope to see more of this!
Who doesn’t enjoy a good MYLF! 😂
UK subscriber here and this has been one of your best videos yet, combining nature with motorbikes!
I watch a lot of moto-camping videos and moto-travel videos, so this video hit the sweet spot of nature/travel/bike review.
Only thing missing is a keynote animation showing your rotate on a map 🗺️ (for us non-USA folk that don’t have a clue which roads and where you’re riding)
Keep up the good work mate, really enjoyable to share your adventures 👍
Great job with the video, … I grew up in S. Cal. and I really enjoyed the ride through these areas! The heat issue surprised me, as a former VStrom 650 owner (with no CAT), I never experienced excessive heat with that bike. My Tuareg 660 also puts out a fair bit on heat on the right side that I only notice on hot days, and for fall, winter and spring riding the heat is actually very welcome. Might be what you have to put up with from modern higher performance twin cylinder ADV bikes with catalytic converters. Thanks
Ian I really enjoyed this video. I don't live on your side of town so it was really cool to hear about the local areas on your ride up the mountain. The little blurbs about the area add context to viewers that aren't familiar with the area and that's something I like to see, even if it was unplanned. It makes me want to take a day trip out that way to check it out. One thing about Idylwild that I really love is how their mayor is a golden retriever.
mayor max! the owner is my neighbor
Thanks for the tour of southern CA. I wonder if the reason you went more travel blog is the bike. The Suzuki 800DE, to be honest, is an unremarkable bike (similar to my BMW F750GS). Reliable and powerful enough to not have to work it every km of the trip, but not so powerful you have to manage it all the time (or get tempted to use it!). In reality, the bike gets out of the way and just becomes a travel tool. Perhaps these should be travel bikes rather than adventure bikes.
Fantastic episode. Your personality really showed and you should keep doing these!
We could use more logging in this state. Do it smartly and we could greatly diminish the impact of forest fires with little to no environmental damage. I love this state, but boy do we need better management. /rant
I agree! Protect the MYLF population! 🤣
Another great video! Thanks, BRM!
I have experienced the same engine heat. I do need to stand up, or re-orient my right leg to get away from the heat. I have highway pegs that also help for long highway stints. Off-road I do not notice it as much since I am stand-up. Currently doing the NorclCal BDR. I am still learning about the bike, but so far, I am very much enjoying it. Thanks for the video and sharing your insight
Well done from a rider in the foothills of the northern sierras this heat is something special for us. I can only imagine trying to do content in such hot weather, Kudos to you, big time and I love your part of the beautiful sierras, great road trip. When it’s over 97 the Norden stays in the garage 👍
Ride it when its 110 !!! Be a man!! 🤣🤣
Im in Arizona and I agree on the bike sleeping in the garage above 95. It just makes any ride un-enjoyable even with my GSA let alone my Road king…🫡🇺🇸🌵
I recently got a 2022 Moto Guzzi V85TT. I know a lot of people, and myself, worry about engine heat from the exposed cylinders. It's not bad at all, even while riding in 94° heat it wasnt an issue. A pleasant surprise. My friend just got a brand new T7 and I was surprised how much more i felt the heat from that bike, particularly when the cooling fan kicked on. It's easy to think that just because a bike is liquid cooled, it will feel cooler than an air-cooled bike. That may not always be the case. Liquid cooled bikes have to scoop and channel air through the radiator, and the exhaust of that has to end up somewhere. Likely, or necessarily, around the twin cylinders, out the side and into the rider's legs.
I have a 22 v85 TT as well and it is counterintuitive. Those big cylinders sticking out there you think could be really hot but I find it better than many but I have owned in the past. Viva Guzzista. People don't understand. And that's okay. I encourage Ian to get the new v85 TT and run it. Then he may really get the feeling of a motorcycle with soul
same with the big GS honestly, it really is not a hot bike at all from the engine, i think maybe the wind blowing directly over exposed cylinders does keep the noticeable heat down.
Factory tuned bikes are compliant to Euro5, not to rider comfort. What this means is instead of operating the engine at the technical stoichiometric optimal air/fuel ratio, they run them much leaner. Lean combustion leads to much more heat, also induces combustion-related vibration making engines vibrate more.
@@exothermal.sprocket best thing I ever did was get rid of any heat restrictions.. all euro 5...gone. Mistral and miiv = cooling system 👍🏼
@bonesworld7178 It gets overlooked for bikes like the T7, 800DE, KTMs, Africa Twins, etc, but Moto Guzzi definitely got some things right. For one, when you shut the bike off in custom mode, it's in custom mode when you turn the key on. A lot of bikes require the rider to navigate menus to turn off the ABS and traction control again. At a little over 210 pounds with gear, I can get the suspension tuned for my needs without maxing out spring preload. When the preload and rebound are set correctly, the suspension actually does really well offroad and seems to eat washboard gravel.
I think the problem is that people also ride and short-shift it like a Harley. The V85TT loves to rev! Its a blast on pavement and forest road because of it. I love how it shakes at idle and then smooths right out with a hint of V-twin pulse in the bars and pegs while cruising. I shortened the stock windscreen a lot, and it feels more like a cruiser from the rider position, but I can ride it like a scrambler or tour on it. It's a very versatile bike that is more like a scrambler than mid-weight ADV bike, IMO.
I wanted a Moto Guzzi for a long time, and I absolutely love it. The Mandello is gorgeous, but I would love a California Eldorado 1400 to be my next MG.
Thanks again for another great upload Ian.
I walked past the 800 when I realised it didn't have cruise control on a bike supposedly designed to do distance rides. It was a non negotiable for me. Same goes for the 650 which I would have been very happy with.
Test rode the Tiger 900 GT Pro and a hot left leg in traffic (during winter down here) put me off it.
Slowly getting some kilometres on my month old V-Strom 1050 which doesn't give me a hot leg and does have cruise control so I guess Suzuki got me to do what they wanted 😁
As a midwesterner, it’s really interesting to learn about the geo/topographical differences in Southern California. A lot more interesting than woods and cornfields 😅.
Ian cold water will NEVER quench your thirst… it lowers your body temp making the ambient temp higher… Room temp is ideal… learn from an Ex-soldier… Also you need a gallon of water per hour to stay hydrated in high heat temps… Ride safe 🫡🇺🇸🌵
And yet when my dog couldn't drink water the vet recommended him "sucking" or licking an ice cube and mentioned an ice cube is like a glass of water from a hydration perspective. Personally I find drinking room temp water to just make my belly heavy with the weight of all the warm water and I stay in high temps. We regularly have 40C (104F) in summer (Winter days around 22C - 72F). Give me cold water anyday I hate the sloshing of "gallons" of room temp water. Maybe lowering a person's temp means less sweat and hence less loss of water?
Ahhhh, this is adding more practicality in testing the bikes. I wasn't expecting a 200 mile trip but this just further solidifies the riding experience. I like this, especially the lunch part because we can see how you are physically doing from the ride.
Great to hear!
Great vlog, I also really loved the geography and geology lessons about California; it is really neat!
Hey Ian, I have had my DE for around 6 months and in UK the heat is less of an issue, although you do feel it. Especially on the right hand side. I upped the compression damping on the shock and the forks and upped the preload too, also sped up the rebound as it was a bit wallowy. Made a big difference for my 95KG frame. Overall I am very happy with the bike... definitely comes to life once you put a few miles on it.
Do you think after the first service was re set that it unlocked the engine somewhat??? I can't figure out if I just got more aggressive after the brake in service or what hahaha.
@@john0270 I think it was more gradual but definitely after that first 1000 miles, I was not being as gentle. Also the QS became even more silky
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I have the same feeling, the engine brakes more when you release the throttle and is more flexible. maybe some software update
Not boring me I stayed in Oceanside and Diego in the late 70’s and traveled around that area loved it there at that time.
Nice one Ian, I really enjoyed the different style of this one given it was largely a break in ride rather than a test.
Nice video. the leg roasting reminds me of my '14 Vstrom 650. Miss the views and being around the coast and having the mountains near us when I lived in Oceanside. Don't miss the politics of Cali though. Could never go back the way things are now.Really miss the riding though. Keep up the amazing videos and reviews.
I bought a new bike at end of June and this V-Strom was one I was considering but I got the sportsbike bug and picked up the sibling GSX 8R with same engine that Suzuki probably tuned slightly different between the two types of bikes. After 1K miles I love the engine and that same TFT. The torque at any gear and rpm is lovely.
Nice vlog Ian, I liked the personal and travel info, let's have more of that please. You always have good info about the bikes but It's good to have something else too. 5 Stars✴✴✴✴✴
Throughly enjoyed the content. Especially the additional information geography, history etc.
Great content; I enjoyed the geography lesson! The heat and buzz have been my two greatest complaints so far; I hope Suzuki can figure that out. I suggest looking into the California Scientific touring windscreens if a super tall touring screen is of interest. My big deal has been this tire recall situation; I’ve got front/rear Anakee Adventures sitting in my garage ready for fitting and I hope other DE riders affected by this can get it sorted quickly.
I enjoyed the ride with you and the, other than motorcycle, information was a great addition to your excellent content. Keep up the good work.
The heat from this bike is definitely what I remember from my test ride. Among the worst I’ve experienced, and that includes Ducatis.
pretty bad, I agree
Nice on a cold day, but yeah get less heat from my old dyna 😅
É quente no Algarve 😂
Plenty of bikes seem to dissipate a lot of heat nowadays. I've certainly been on some large engine Harley-Davidsons which run a lot hotter than this motorcycle. During my demo ride I didn't really notice much heat as we were generally moving for most of the ride. While at a couple of stop lights. I noticed a little bit of heat. Not that bad though.
FJR 1300 or VFR750F?
After riding the V-Strom for a while makes you wonder why you got rid of the Transalp 750 I guess. Oh Ian all the stuff you are nerding out on I find super awesome to know since I love to travel. You give us the best videos, keep them coming Ian.
love my DE but I agree, a lot of vibration around 5000 to 6000 rpm and the Cruise Control should be on the bike. Suzuki won't sale more 1050 just by denying the CC to the little V-strom!
PS : I drink Brawndo all the time! Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes
PPS : Protect the MYLFs!!
47T Tenere rear sprocket will fit. Confirm 525 pitch. it lowered tach about 500RPMs.
Can use same chain.
I shift about 4k RPMs normal riding.
Got the idea from an ADV forum member. 🤜🤛
Very nice "motorcycle video". Nice to hear more about your region. A lot different from where i live here, in Belgium. I like your style of vlogging. Keep up the good videos ✌️
That damn heat has came all the way across the country. High 90's and 100% humidity in KY. Need an air conditioner on your back. Good vid. My old life in hell, I mean Phoenix. Keep check on those places on your face. Mine turned into basal cell carcinoma. Pure hell but never turned worse. Bad having your nose skin shaved off, twice. Hurt like hell, levitate on the table. So keep check. Idyllwild is a very beautiful area. Rode thru there several times for the same reasons others do. Cool it a little. And it's really nice. Powder keg though. The thing with all the vents, when it's like 140F on the road they wick away all the body moisture and will really zap you in short order. You get over on the river Blyth to Puma with the humidity and it's terrible. Take your breath. Milf's are ok, frogs, can make one way or another. One is a frog, other likes it like a frog. The world is good with both. Big elevation change between there and El Centro, Mexicali, Salton Sea area. One day in Coolidge AZ it was 124, on north in Heber it was 32F, the hottest and coldest places in America that day. If you know where to go generally in a few minutes you can be far away from the maddening crowd. head toward the coast or desert. Follow the big crack, some great riding. You gota get up on the bars and bear down on those tar snakes. Dangerous. We have them as well. I worked out of the Redlands office for a while. NFS, busy picking up trash from campers that don't give a shit. Causes places to be closed down so good caring people can't use them anymore. Happening all over. Just being smart with the water. Last time in Death Valley it was 128F, Vegas was 111F at midnight. Glad we aren't riding the 20 mule train borax wagon. Legs are right beside a big water heater that is vented away from them. Look at side views of other bikes you'll see what I mean, mostly feel it. All good.
800de owner here. I don't notice the heat too much wearing mosko woodsman pants with revit expedition boots in 100 degree heat--at low speeds i begin to notice, but I'm also not that heat sensitive. I have heard replacing the exhaust has made a huge difference for heat reduction. Also, i have heard other users report that the 5k rattle is due to the clutch basket.
I own this bike, I live in Las Vegas. The hottest I've ever taken it out at was about 110º. Strangely, I find the heat off the bike there sometimes, and other times not a problem at all.
15:43 when you say roasting are you talking painfully uncomfortable or just more heat then you'd like? Have you ridden it in cooler condition yet? Is it weather dependent?
I own a 800DE since 2023, and i can confirm: the heat really is a problem. My mechanic, from which ive also bought it, said jokingly "it is an excellent winter bike - you wont freeze to death".
Ive heard rumors theres a company in germany designing and creating some sort of shielding to deflect some of the heat (it only burns from the right side, right?). My mechanic also said, the reason of the excessive engine temperature is to fulfill the euro5 norm here in europe. It runs very lean and thus more heat is produced.
Later, around 13'000km on it, id still buy it again.
Really like your commentary in this video. Feels like you're in your zone - riding and talking about geography and weather. Great job! We will have to have you over to our area, San Luis Obispo County, sometime. Also, I think it would be great to do a series on old-er adventure bikes and how they measure up. I've got a Triumph Tiger 955i that still seems competitive with the latest bikes. I ride the beast like a dual sport, even with the lousy stock suspension (not for long), and it's a hoot!
G'day Ian, well that was a little different from you, however I really enjoyed it. Thank you Ian for providing something a little different as there is more to life. I think it's very important that people understand how quickly heatstroke can effect somebody and the seriousness of it. In regards to the heat from the exhaust, would applying fibreglass exhaust tape help reduce the heat as I've seen big cruisers use this method on there Harley's and Indian's. Be safe mate during those blistering days and I look forward to watching more. Be safe and throttle on
Great video, feel like I've been on a ride in the Californian mountains, that is serious heat and weather damage,
that engine heat could be a welcome thing here in Ireland, we have had a miserable summer on the west coast, then again I think I'd prefer our cool climate to that extremes you get.
Great engine on that bike, looking to get the road version next year, hopefully some new colour variants announced at Eicma in November.
Great video. Interesting about your local area. You live in a beautiful place. Safe riding. 👍
Thank you so much for all the metric conversions!
Hi, I have this bike since a couple of months and have 13k km on it. While I like it a lot, the heat coming from the right side is truly annoying. We’re currently in Albania and it’s hot, 34-38°C and that combined with the heat coming from the engine is truly awful. My other comment is the weak suspension, which I will have cured once I get back home in the Netherlands it’s a very good bike for a reasonable price. Thank you for your videos, I really enjoy watching them!
Loved this video. I grew up in Redlands in the 80's and had a Yamaha Vision in high school. Made that ride up to Oak Glen and Big Bear many times. I haven't rode on 38 in probably 35 years, nice to see it hasn't changed. Quick question, I'm looking at getting a mid size adventure bike and have narrowed it down to the KTM 890, Tiger 900 and the V-Strom. The one negative thing I heard about the KTM's was how hot the engine got on your legs. How does the V-Strom compare to the KTM for that? Thanks again for the great video, don't forget to get a hot apple pie ala mode next time you ride through Oak Glen!
Just finished a 3k km trip from Washington (WBDR parts) then roads. I hit 41C and got burned out. Yes the heat sucks but I wear the Minus -1 Klim and Baja S4 and its fine. I heard the Arrow pipes get rid of the heat, its all coming from the CAT. I have now 24k km on my 2023. Its a fantastic bike. FYI The best soft bags are the SW Motech SYSBAG WP L
I've always wondered if you lived in the Lake Hemet area! That's a really nice area. I loved escaping the city and spending the weekend up there when I lived in SoCal.
Appreciated the information about Southern California topography, climate etc. We just moved from Marina del Rey living on a boat to a house on a hilltop in De Luz near Fallbrook/Temecula, quite a different experience, love the nature. Riding my BMWs F800ST and C650 GT but interested in getting more of a highway tourer for my commute to LA once a week, and the Suzuki might be the ticket if it's light and agile enough for the notorious lane splitting parts of my commute
I loved the ride/review/lesson/vlog. Very Dork-esque
Great video Ian! I enjoyed the detailed info about your area
The Bach cello suite in G major in the background was a nice touch along with some history.
I used to live in Hemet, I now reside in my home country retired in the Philippines. Love riding my motorcycle up to Idyllwild, then down to the 10fwy and back home. I had an 82 Yamaha Seca 650, 84 Honda CB 650 Nighthawk, 86 Magna V45, 86 Yamaha Maxim 700, 90 Yamaha FZR 400 ( which I still have in storage in US), 98 GSXR 750, 2002 GSXR 1000, 2006 SV 650, 2008 Suzuki M50, 2012 Honda CBR 1000R, 98 VFR 800, and a 2013 ZG1400.
Now I’m riding a small Honda Click 125 for around town errands. I’m looking to buy a small ADV, maybe the 2024 Honda NX500.