@WotsoVideos Did you hear that this year in November that there Is going to be a book about Iduna and Agnarr's backstories and the upcoming movie Raya and the Last Dragon?
In another deleted scene, Elsa reveals how Iduna and Agnarr were planning on telling Anna and releasing Elsa after they returned from their trip. But since they never returned, they never got to tell her.
There's a YA book about them coming out in November! Its supposed to take place after the Enchanted Forest was closed off. It's called Dangerous Secrets.
I feel like Agnarr and Iduna only failed as parents in one regard: They misunderstood what "Fear will be your enemy" truly meant, which I suspect was because of the fear of magic which likely bloomed in the kingdom for a while after the conflict in the forest. Prior to the accident with Anna, Elsa had full, absolute control over her magic. The only reason the accident even happened at all wasn't due to lack of control over her magic- it was because she slipped. After that, once Fear entered Elsa's life, that's when she started to lose control over her powers. Agnarr and Iduna should have realized that at some point. Maybe not right away because what happened was nothing short of traumatic, but at some point down the line they should have realized it- especially Iduna who grew up around magic. That being said though, it wasn't entirely their fault. First of all, Grand Pabbie presented the issue to them wrong because he didn't have all the facts of the situation. Secondly in high stress situations the obvious can sometimes be the hardest thing to see. Agnarr and Iduna did the best they could in their situation. Mistakes were made, but they dedicated their lives to trying to help Elsa so that she and Anna could eventually be reunited.
@@TailcoatGames I'm kinda Wondering if they're any Worse than my Parents or my Grandparents on my Mom's Side of the Family with my Parents they kinda SCREAM Yell Shout and even Threaten me Sometimes:(Not ALL the Time or Even Most of the Time just Every VERY Few Now and then):and it almost Feels like they could be a little bit Hypocritical sometimes No they don't Smoke or do Drugs or Drink Alcohol I don't think Drinking Alcohol is actually even ALLOWED Here No Matter How Old or Young You Are At Least Either as Far as I Know or PERIOD Since it's seemingly kinda BANNED and seemingly just sort of FORBIDDEN where I'm from I don't think that ANY one in my Family Smokes or does Alcohol or Drugs or Anything and with my Grandparents according to my Second Youngest Uncle he said he was a VERY Naughty Kid so my Grandma apparently used to hit him but I don't think she did it for the Sake of being Abusive Toxic Malicious Evil and Cruel or anything he said that my Grandma had done that since she was trying to prevent him from Hurting himself even WORSE or something I guess with my Grandpa it's Possibly even kinda Worse but I guess at least my Uncle doesn't look like he has Scars or Anything and also Looks like a well Functioning Independent Healthy Normal Human being basically my Uncle NEVER said that my Grandparents were Wrong with how they've treated him so maybe it just means they were trying to discipline an annoying and kinda really Bratty Kid or something but in Any case don't get me Wrong I LOVE my Parents and I pretty much ADORE my Grandparents who are usually SUPER Nice Welcoming and Friendly to me even most of my other Family Members can be LOVELY People and I Love them ALL even probably including the Frustratingly Aggravating Annoying and Irritating Nightmare that is my 16 year old first younger Sister:(Sorry about my Comment being/getting VERY long I think I'll just stop now):
There is another deleted scene from Frozen 2, about the parents talking before they leave to go to Ahtohallan, Iduna talking about wanting to telling Anna about Elsa’s, and Agnarr saying they will tell Anna when they get back. OMG SO SAD😭
Does anyone else wonder why Agnarr became king when he was 14 years old when his father died, but Elsa had to wait 3 years to become queen after her parents died when she was 18?
I'm assuming because he was guy and Elsa was a girl, either that or Agnarr changed the law surrounding that fact so that if something happened Elsa would have extra time to learn about her powers before the stress of being queen.
@@lucybufton7147 It also could have been something along the lines of "the bodies weren't found, so 3 years must pass to make sure". I mean, they had no doubt about grandpa being killed, but even though the ship went down, tales of people surviving at sea existed. Because remember, they thought they were in the Southern Seas where several areas of land were.
People saying Iduna should have known better because she knew about magic as a Northuldran is so annoying. Even the Northuldran were shocked to see Elsa’s powers in the enchanted forest. I think it’s really different when you are interacting with magical spirits vs. having magical powers yourself. No one had seen a human with magical powers, so she couldn’t have known how to teach Elsa to control her magic or the things Elsa was experiencing, which is why she tried her best to find out how they could best support their daughter.
jmcheang THANK YOU! None of the Northuldran people had powers themselves. They were used to magic found in nature, but Elsa was completely new territory, even for her mother. People are missing this point because we as an audience are used to seeing Elsa with magic. Even her mother, part of the oldest family, was researching Elsa’s powers and where they came from. Then her father grew up believing that magic and the Northuldra people killed his father, so of course he would react in a completely different way. He watched his father die, and now his daughter almost died because of magic.
I've just finished reading the book "Frozen 2: Dangerous Secrets: The Story of Iduna and Agnarr" by Mari Mancusi. It's a beautiful, faithful telling of the story of Elsa and Anna's parents. How they fell in love and when Iduna finally revealed her secret to Agnarr. It follows you've said here pretty closely, with some minor changes. I would love to see an on-screen adaption of Iduna and Agnarr's story. Even with the dark and sad ending, it's beautiful story that shows a lot of hope when we see their actions later made by their daughter’s.
But teaching Elsa to not be afraid n then locking her up in a room isolated from everyone, "teaching her to control her powers n clearly seeing that they just get worse because she becomes more afraid... They should've done more to help her. It may be annoying to hear but when u want to solve a problem, u have to try different things to find what works. It makes no sense to stay stuck to something that doesn't solve the problem itself
Yeah right It really pisses me off sometimes when people said that they should've than this and that After all, Stress is not something you could just brush of lightly, it literally feels likes the two is caring a "boulders" in their shoulders
@@znoequeenvalentin8373 ironic since it was these actions that made elsa create fear and lose control of her own powers, that is, her parents caused this
And to think, when the teaser first dropped, people were speculating that that little red-haired girl was a potential love interest for Elsa XD And now we know that that was her mother.
I think that's 100 percent Gross 😕😖😷for 2 Main Reasons the first Reason is Kinda Obvious...it's Elsa's Mother and as for the Second Reason...Eh I don't think I wanna specify the Second Reason
It’s shown that their ship went down in the dark sea due to the waves. The water nokk was the spirit protecting those waters and even in Frozen 2 the water nokk had tried killing Elsa. Then does this mean the water nokk killed their parents?
I came to a similar conclusion. Unless they couldn't get to that area because of the mist but it doesn't seem like there is mist at least once you are out in the Black Sea
I thought of the same thing too. But Elsa woke the spirits up at the end of Into the Unknown. So wouldn't that mean that the Nokk was asleep when Agnarr and Iduna tried going to Ahtohallan?
So in the deleted senes kristoff was drowned by the Nokk because he was lying to Anna so I believe their parents were drowned because they didn’t inform Anna on elsa’s predicament
I still have mixed feelings about the King and Queen. A part of me understands that they were trying to figure out what to do for Anna and Elsa, but a part of me feels that when they could’ve handle the situation differently upon seeing that what they were doing wasn’t working for their children. It’s not like they were doing this on purpose and hindsight is 20/20, but still.
Umbreon Oak I don’t doubt that they loved their children; I just feel that things could’ve been handled better. However, I do acknowledge that they were doing what they thought was best for Anna and Elsa.
It seems the main reason people think they’re bad parents is the misinterpreted message from the trolls. I think it would have been a good idea as parents to have Elsa go on more frequent trips outside and to discuss and work with the trolls more. Why ask help of people who study/understand a problem better only once if the problem is persistent? Only for this do I still have mixed feelings. She was clearly riddled with anxiety and I can understand that sometimes it’s hard to recognize that in the people close to you. Especially in lighter cases since our society tries so hard to hide/ignore it, but often times when things are hard, you need to go out and clear your mind, sort out your thoughts and get help. It would be a good message for mental health patients about getting counseling. But this kind of reaction is unfortunately still very common in the world, so I don’t blame them. I only started getting help in my 20s. My mom was shocked to hear that I felt I needed it. I think mental health is still a mystery to most people as Elsa’s powers were here and the solution may not come to mind as quickly or clearly (if at all) as someone catching a cold. They did their best with what they knew. They unfortunately focused on the wrong issue: the what not the why.
If you want more backstory or have questions, I highly suggest Dangerous Secrets: The Story of Iduna and Agnarr. Common questions: How did he not recognize her? He met a lot of new people that day, only caught a glimpse of her, then suffered a serious head injury (unconscious for three days), so of course he doesn't remember. Iduna did sneak into Arendelle on a wagon like in the film, but knowing that Arendellians were actually not fond of the Northuldra, she concealed her identity, even from Agnarr as they grew up to be friends, for fear that he would dislike her as well. Also like the film, she eventually confesses where she's from, but that doesn't happen for many years. Why do they hide Elsa? Because Iduna has had to hide her identity and Agnarr had to hide his fear and stress to seem like a strong king despite being just a teenager. That's what they've learned to do to stay safe.
I like the musical's backstory better because the parents died when Anna and Elsa were children, so they didn't have time to help Elsa master her powers. In the movie, they left when the girls were teens. Musical makes more sense in that regaurd.
One thing that kind of confuses me: Agnar and Iduna met in the Enchanted Forest, but then we see the memory of her confessing her past to Agnar. Is this meant to imply that he lost some of his memory when he hit his head? Also, did he really not know who saved him, or was he just keeping Iduna's heritage a secret?
That deleted scene is such an important moment in Frozen 2 that I feel we, as an audience, missed out on! It adds another layer to the story, and character developments across the board, that would have been beneficial to furthering the canonical lore surrounding Disney's Frozen franchise. (Edit: OMG OMG OMG HE LIKED AND HIGHLIGHTED MY COMMENT!! 🥳🤗😍🤩🥰)
I’m confused. Did Agnar forget Iduna was from the enchanted forest? Like I know he got knocked out but that doesn’t really make sense? Because I’d think that if they were having this conversation as married adults he’d know what her family history is and where she actually came from? So am I missing something?
Iduna was from a magic forest yes, but in the forest the magic comes from the spirits and they never knew a human to have magic within them. Thing of the people of the forest as being similar to benders from avatar the last airbender whereas Elsa is more like a source of magic. Even with them knowing of Iduna's past, they still don't know how to teach Elsa properly.
Lucy Bufton Right, I guess I’m just confused on how he forgot? Agnar clearly remembered he’s the King even though he hit his head, it seemed like he remembered everything else but this one thing. I don’t know it just seems.... like a weird plot point or something.
@@alysannetargaryen8986 I'm guessing they just didn't tell the kids as the Northuldra were looked down upon in their society (as shown in one of the deleted scenes where it's revealed that the Northuldran language is illegal).
@@alysannetargaryen8986 He didn't forget. He just didn't know it was her. I don't understand why people chose to answer in a paragraph because I explained in two sentences.
My issue with the parents is they keep Elsa mostly in room by herself to train her powers isolating her from the rest of the Kingdom even her sister don't get me wrong I understand why they did it but I'm afraid it will cause some problems
Ever since the first movie I had always wanted to know what happened to Elsa and Anna's parents with what we saw during the do you want to build a snowman song, and now we got to see what actually happened, it's both sad and frightening. But they did also raise a queen and the 5th spirit of the forest, so good job guys!
If this happened during when Anna and Elsa growing up they were probably the only people who wouldn't get infected along with everyone in the castle and Elsa probably rarely got sick having limited contact with people until Frozen Fever.
Anyone else feel so proud of elsa during her show yourself song and just feel so happy it was her mother and she got to sing with her mom. I cried like a toddler
they're honestly one of my absolute favorite couples. They are so beautiful together and just, UGH. ANd I'm so sad that they died because they were so beautiful. UGHHH And truthfully, I think they also did do their the best on what they knew and how to do it. Even if they didn't get to see how Elsa learned and grow, their story and example and the legacy they left is something beautiful. Their actions alone spoke for themselves
When it comes to their parents, Frozen 2 definitely compliments Frozen, as it showed that boat trip was in fact to find answers to the mystery of Elsa's powers. So they they did do the best they could.
I love Queen Iduna and King Agnarr very much. Thank you so much for making this video, Isaac ❤️ I agree 100% with everything you said and knowing all of this extra information on my favorite royal family has made me love them even more. I still don't agree with their choice to keep Elsa isolated from Arendelle. Not at all. However, since seeing Frozen 2 and this video, I can understand how difficult this was for them. I am so, so proud of the remarkable young women Elsa and Anna grew up to be ❤️❤️
I wonder why Queen Iduna waited to tell her husband where she is from in frozen 2 and not early in frozen 1 before their death but then its makes sense in frozen 2. I just wish they didn't have to die.
Yasmeen MO no that’s when we see her tell Agnar about her powers but technically she told him before the events of either frozen film. And name a Disney movie where the parents are alive, there is always one deceased or both are
Iduna sang a lullaby to Elsa about where she came from when she was young . Is she the voice or is it one of Iduna’s ancestors from ahtohallen ? The original Snow Queen before Elsa was born .
I think because the mom has a connection to the magic in her homeland, she was able to remain there after she had died that way she can guide her daughter (what she wanted to do before she died)
"There is a river full of memory" "There's a mother full of memory" Yea the lake and water has the memory of the events. Spirits speak to each other too I bet.
If they(the parents) had just taken the time to teach her how to hone her magical skills instead of containing them, elsa would never have gotten the crippling anxiety which caused the problems in frozen(the winter she caused) but had they done everything right, there would have been no movie so...there's that.
You should read “dangerous secrets “ it a love story of iduna and agnarr of how they met, became friends,how they got married And rising their daughters.
There's a touching deleted scene called "A Place of Our Own" that was almost included in the movie. Elsa reveals to Anna through her powers about the past. King Agnarr and Queen Iduna (Anna and Elsa's parents) were about to leave for their voyage to Ahtohallen, when Iduna tells Agnarr that it was time for them to confess Elsa's powers to Anna. Agnarr agreed to have them tell Anna once they returned from their trip. Unfortunately, because they were hit by the storm, they never got to tell her, leaving Anna and Elsa to continue to shut each other out.
Iduna and Agnar hiding Elsa's powers to the Kingdom reminds of how Russia's Emperor Nicholas II and Empress Alexandra kept Prince Alexei's hemophilia illness to the public for the fear of criticism and public panic since he was the only male heir to the throne. Sometimes hard decisions had to be made even if it might look wrong from the eyes of some people, just like how Anna decided to destroy the dam even if it will destroy Arendelle Castle, some people disagree with it while some think it's the only way.
I hope you do a video about Prince Eric's full story. Because I want to know how many princesses from different kingdoms beyond the "princess of Glowerhaven", Prince Eric met and has turned down on them before falling in love for Princess Ariel!
Trust me, the king and queen’s deaths definitely involved the Flying Dutchman in one way or another. (No evidence backs this up, but it’s a fun little idea to keep in the back of your head)
They both have love I knew it. And Elsa is better protecting the forest. And Anna is better for rulling their kingdom. All while doing it together:) And Olaf can be with Anna during the summer and be with Elsa during the winter in the forest;)
I think it had to be pretty stressful to have a child with ice magic that grew so strong that she couldn't control it, it was stressful on the parents and Elsa and i think Anna was supposed to have fire to balance it out but something happened along the way to mess that up
I hope they make a short story about Iduna and Agnarr when they were kids. I also hope that if they make a Frozen 3 it will be about Anna and her parents relationship
Guys not to be all sappy but I honestly think Iduna saving Agnarr is supposed to be about don’t judge about where we are from or our skin colors or well I think it means Ignore our differences and love each other
This truly was a magical video. After the first time I saw Frozen 2, I loved how it expanded on Anna and Elsa's parents. By the way, I'd like to suggest an idea for another video in the future. Could you please make a video about what happened to King Harold and Queen Lillian when they signed Rumpelstiltskin's contract. I know they disappeared, but something I realized was that if they faded from existence, then Fiona would've done the same since she's their daughter. But she didn't. I'd really appreciate it if you try to theorize about this, Isaac.
When you know everything about them, you learn that they werent perfect parents and it makes them more real because no one is perfect in real life and parents make mistakes. I know as a parent i certainly have made mistakes with my children
As always, I love your videos! I like these Discovering Disney episodes because it's nice to see one side story all wrapped up and told altogether. It makes the stories easier to think about and remember. Thank you for putting in so much time and effort to brighten this corner of TH-cam.
Oh and btw there's a show called once upon a time on netflix,on season 4 it will also also explain the past of elsa's/anna's mother but for some reason not their father
They are so beautiful. I Wonder how they lived their teenage years. And I wonder how the town feels about her being from the 'forest'. ❤ Although they probably don't know.
Just a thought: what if Iduna was representative of air/wind, just as the Wokk is of water, monsters are of earth, and the cute critter is of fire- and HER leaving is what caused the fog? As many have discussed there are actually 8 spirits, couldn't the reverse of the 4 already deciphered are ice (water), light (fire) dark (earth), and energy (air). I would assume that light and dark could be figured by the books in the secret room/Ahtohallan even as they finally show Kristoff's background (possibly northuldran parents- perhaps the ones that got the prince to safety- due to the reindeer connection, plus the rock troll foster magic means SOMETHING) and their marriage. That could lead to a baby ("Samantha', to use the adlibbing snowman/memory waters) who is energy, and fostered by her aunt in Ahtohallan. Of course, I would love to add in that Hans was following the ORIGINAL story, and had a bit of ice/mirror lodge in his eye/spirit (depending on the version you read) to alter him temporarily. It would explain the stark change from when he tried to save Elsa from the Wesleton baddies and he suddenly had her in a dungeon. Perhaps it was dislodged when all was melting and Anna belted him. It would be nice if he was able to escape his toxic family- or be put in charge of that country instead of them (because, who better deserves an uprising?)
Alot of times in movies people get washes up on islands. What If they weren't on the ship to begin with. Due to restrictions or complications. Maybe the ship that went down wasn't really their ship. Point is no confirmation that they're dead. Well unless the ghost memories were some sort of illusion. So they either are or are not.. I'd like them not to have died. It would make it more thrilling and better for peoples minds
There’s an official story about Iduna and Agnarr that’s available right now. It’s called, in full title, Frozen 2: Dangerous Secrets: The Story of Iduna and Agnarr.
I’m actually still not completely sure they’re dead. I mean, Iduna comes from a magical background, and I just have a feeling that they’re still alive. I know the movie makes it seem like they’re dead, but I think there is still a chance that they’re alive. This is just a theory, I’m not sure.
I don't know if you already saw it, but there's this book titled "The Forest of Shadows." The story is told in Anna's perspective and took place before the 2nd movie with the epilogue being the scen were Elsa sand Into the unkown but, again, it's all in Anna's perspective, and it's quite dark for little children to read, in my opinion. Anyway, I'm not entirely sure if this book's canon, but it's a good read so I hope you get to see it (if you haven't yet, and for those who haven't too)
There is a fair bit of debate on whether or not Elsa should have been the fifth element. Since ice is merely an aspect of water. We're instead, people offered that it should have been Anna who stood in sent her, representing more of the element of love. Especially since Love play the food part of the first movie and even arguably second movie. Plus this was getting Anna a bigger and more important role in the movie.
Great video! I loved the additional insight we got into Elsa and Anna’s family in FROZEN 2, but someone please explain to me why Elsa didn’t go to Anna’s coronation!
jf k I suppose it could have taken place afterwards, but the setup looks like she was just coronated, “presenting her majesty, Queen Anna..” for one and Kristoff being dolled up for another. The movie didn’t make a big deal out of it if she was indeed coronated at the end, which I found disappointing, it should be a big character arc for our Anna!
What are your thoughts and theories on the legacy of King Agnarr and Queen Iduna? Let me know below after you like and subscribe! Have a magical day!
Hi love the vid have a good day to who ever is reading this.
Wotso Videos I hope you do a video and Gargoyles,Prince Hans Of the southern Niles and Chernabog!
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@WotsoVideos Did you hear that this year in November that there Is going to be a book about Iduna and Agnarr's backstories and the upcoming movie Raya and the Last Dragon?
Do Dipper and Mabel Pine's Full Story please.
In another deleted scene, Elsa reveals how Iduna and Agnarr were planning on telling Anna and releasing Elsa after they returned from their trip. But since they never returned, they never got to tell her.
Yeah
i kinda wish they added that tbh
@@Lana-ne8bd
Exactly, would've made the film sadder yet better
That’s true
True
Frozen: Finding Elsa
Frozen II: Finding the voice
Frozen III: Finding out Samantha is actually Kristoff's mother
Genius.
I'm thinking that frozen 3 finding jack to be elsa boyfriend
HMMMMM I’ve seen this comment before...
How did you know that 🤔🤔🤔
Good theory
I wish there was a movie explaining more in depth of Agnarr and Iduna’s relationship, CUZ THEY WERE SO CUTE AS KIDS!!!
There's a YA book about them coming out in November! Its supposed to take place after the Enchanted Forest was closed off. It's called Dangerous Secrets.
Oh! Thanks for telling me!
@@fatimarizvi964 No problem 😉
What for real?
IKR
I love how they made the backstories of Elsa's and Ann's parents. It made the movie really interesting
I feel like Agnarr and Iduna only failed as parents in one regard:
They misunderstood what "Fear will be your enemy" truly meant, which I suspect was because of the fear of magic which likely bloomed in the kingdom for a while after the conflict in the forest. Prior to the accident with Anna, Elsa had full, absolute control over her magic. The only reason the accident even happened at all wasn't due to lack of control over her magic- it was because she slipped. After that, once Fear entered Elsa's life, that's when she started to lose control over her powers. Agnarr and Iduna should have realized that at some point. Maybe not right away because what happened was nothing short of traumatic, but at some point down the line they should have realized it- especially Iduna who grew up around magic.
That being said though, it wasn't entirely their fault. First of all, Grand Pabbie presented the issue to them wrong because he didn't have all the facts of the situation. Secondly in high stress situations the obvious can sometimes be the hardest thing to see.
Agnarr and Iduna did the best they could in their situation. Mistakes were made, but they dedicated their lives to trying to help Elsa so that she and Anna could eventually be reunited.
Thank you for summing it all up. I'm glad you understand, and I hope people would understand too once they read your comment.
They’re still stupid parents
@@TailcoatGames learn to use the correct form of there, and maybe your opinion will be taken into account. I dunno, just a thought
Ian Rosette thx
@@TailcoatGames
I'm kinda Wondering if they're any Worse than my Parents or my Grandparents on my Mom's Side of the Family with my Parents they kinda SCREAM Yell Shout and even Threaten me Sometimes:(Not ALL the Time or Even Most of the Time just Every VERY Few Now and then):and it almost Feels like they could be a little bit Hypocritical sometimes No they don't Smoke or do Drugs or Drink Alcohol I don't think Drinking Alcohol is actually even ALLOWED Here No Matter How Old or Young You Are At Least Either as Far as I Know or PERIOD Since it's seemingly kinda BANNED and seemingly just sort of FORBIDDEN where I'm from I don't think that ANY one in my Family Smokes or does Alcohol or Drugs or Anything and with my Grandparents according to my Second Youngest Uncle he said he was a VERY Naughty Kid so my Grandma apparently used to hit him but I don't think she did it for the Sake of being Abusive Toxic Malicious Evil and Cruel or anything he said that my Grandma had done that since she was trying to prevent him from Hurting himself even WORSE or something I guess with my Grandpa it's Possibly even kinda Worse but I guess at least my Uncle doesn't look like he has Scars or Anything and also Looks like a well Functioning Independent Healthy Normal Human being basically my Uncle NEVER said that my Grandparents were Wrong with how they've treated him so maybe it just means they were trying to discipline an annoying and kinda really Bratty Kid or something but in Any case don't get me Wrong I LOVE my Parents and I pretty much ADORE my Grandparents who are usually SUPER Nice Welcoming and Friendly to me even most of my other Family Members can be LOVELY People and I Love them ALL even probably including the Frustratingly Aggravating Annoying and Irritating Nightmare that is my 16 year old first younger Sister:(Sorry about my Comment being/getting VERY long I think I'll just stop now):
There is another deleted scene from Frozen 2, about the parents talking before they leave to go to Ahtohallan, Iduna talking about wanting to telling Anna about Elsa’s, and Agnarr saying they will tell Anna when they get back. OMG SO SAD😭
Your right it is indeed sad
I saw that! And it’s really sad 😞
Green Star that doesn’t even make sense you keep on cutting your words
That's sad 😭😭😭😭
@Jacob Goebel The only part that didn’t make sense, was that I said “frozen 2, and about-”
Does anyone else wonder why Agnarr became king when he was 14 years old when his father died, but Elsa had to wait 3 years to become queen after her parents died when she was 18?
I'm assuming because he was guy and Elsa was a girl, either that or Agnarr changed the law surrounding that fact so that if something happened Elsa would have extra time to learn about her powers before the stress of being queen.
@@lucybufton7147 It also could have been something along the lines of "the bodies weren't found, so 3 years must pass to make sure". I mean, they had no doubt about grandpa being killed, but even though the ship went down, tales of people surviving at sea existed.
Because remember, they thought they were in the Southern Seas where several areas of land were.
I'm going to look at the first movie because I feel like in his coronation portrait he looked older than 14.
I was wondering the exact same glad im not alone
In some places and cultures 21 is the age of adulthood while 18 is the age of adulthood in others.
"Where the North Wind meets the Sea, there's a river full of memory"
Agnarr = The Sea
Iduna = The North Wind
Agnarr + Iduna = Elsa
Cool
'there's a _mother_ full of memory'
Iduna = mother
Oh my gosh I get it now
"The North Wind" is not Iduna, it's just really The North Wind imitating Iduna's call for Gale, calling Elsa from "The Sea" or Arendelle.
Nice observation!❤
People saying Iduna should have known better because she knew about magic as a Northuldran is so annoying. Even the Northuldran were shocked to see Elsa’s powers in the enchanted forest. I think it’s really different when you are interacting with magical spirits vs. having magical powers yourself. No one had seen a human with magical powers, so she couldn’t have known how to teach Elsa to control her magic or the things Elsa was experiencing, which is why she tried her best to find out how they could best support their daughter.
jmcheang THANK YOU! None of the Northuldran people had powers themselves. They were used to magic found in nature, but Elsa was completely new territory, even for her mother. People are missing this point because we as an audience are used to seeing Elsa with magic. Even her mother, part of the oldest family, was researching Elsa’s powers and where they came from. Then her father grew up believing that magic and the Northuldra people killed his father, so of course he would react in a completely different way. He watched his father die, and now his daughter almost died because of magic.
I've just finished reading the book "Frozen 2: Dangerous Secrets: The Story of Iduna and Agnarr" by Mari Mancusi. It's a beautiful, faithful telling of the story of Elsa and Anna's parents. How they fell in love and when Iduna finally revealed her secret to Agnarr.
It follows you've said here pretty closely, with some minor changes.
I would love to see an on-screen adaption of Iduna and Agnarr's story. Even with the dark and sad ending, it's beautiful story that shows a lot of hope when we see their actions later made by their daughter’s.
But teaching Elsa to not be afraid n then locking her up in a room isolated from everyone, "teaching her to control her powers n clearly seeing that they just get worse because she becomes more afraid... They should've done more to help her. It may be annoying to hear but when u want to solve a problem, u have to try different things to find what works. It makes no sense to stay stuck to something that doesn't solve the problem itself
Yeah right
It really pisses me off sometimes when people said that they should've than this and that
After all, Stress is not something you could just brush of lightly, it literally feels likes the two is caring a "boulders" in their shoulders
@@znoequeenvalentin8373 ironic since it was these actions that made elsa create fear and lose control of her own powers, that is, her parents caused this
And to think, when the teaser first dropped, people were speculating that that little red-haired girl was a potential love interest for Elsa XD
And now we know that that was her mother.
I think that's 100 percent Gross 😕😖😷for 2 Main Reasons the first Reason is Kinda Obvious...it's Elsa's Mother and as for the Second Reason...Eh I don't think I wanna specify the Second Reason
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@ForeverDreamWithinADream Honeymaren?
Cuz I love this video
*sweet home alabama bois*
It’s shown that their ship went down in the dark sea due to the waves. The water nokk was the spirit protecting those waters and even in Frozen 2 the water nokk had tried killing Elsa. Then does this mean the water nokk killed their parents?
I came to a similar conclusion. Unless they couldn't get to that area because of the mist but it doesn't seem like there is mist at least once you are out in the Black Sea
I thought of the same thing too. But Elsa woke the spirits up at the end of Into the Unknown. So wouldn't that mean that the Nokk was asleep when Agnarr and Iduna tried going to Ahtohallan?
So in the deleted senes kristoff was drowned by the Nokk because he was lying to Anna so I believe their parents were drowned because they didn’t inform Anna on elsa’s predicament
I was told that they got drifted to another island and had a son named tarzan
@@tehuripatena9421 That theory was never true.
I still have mixed feelings about the King and Queen. A part of me understands that they were trying to figure out what to do for Anna and Elsa, but a part of me feels that when they could’ve handle the situation differently upon seeing that what they were doing wasn’t working for their children. It’s not like they were doing this on purpose and hindsight is 20/20, but still.
They did what they did because they loved both Anna and Elsa
Umbreon Oak I don’t doubt that they loved their children; I just feel that things could’ve been handled better. However, I do acknowledge that they were doing what they thought was best for Anna and Elsa.
I think they were afraid I mean they almost lost Anna that's so terrifying.
Just because you make poor decisions, doesn't make them bad people. I mean I am pretty sure you made terrible decisions before.
It seems the main reason people think they’re bad parents is the misinterpreted message from the trolls. I think it would have been a good idea as parents to have Elsa go on more frequent trips outside and to discuss and work with the trolls more. Why ask help of people who study/understand a problem better only once if the problem is persistent? Only for this do I still have mixed feelings.
She was clearly riddled with anxiety and I can understand that sometimes it’s hard to recognize that in the people close to you. Especially in lighter cases since our society tries so hard to hide/ignore it, but often times when things are hard, you need to go out and clear your mind, sort out your thoughts and get help. It would be a good message for mental health patients about getting counseling. But this kind of reaction is unfortunately still very common in the world, so I don’t blame them. I only started getting help in my 20s. My mom was shocked to hear that I felt I needed it. I think mental health is still a mystery to most people as Elsa’s powers were here and the solution may not come to mind as quickly or clearly (if at all) as someone catching a cold. They did their best with what they knew. They unfortunately focused on the wrong issue: the what not the why.
There death was the hardest I’ve ever seen in a movie, and I don’t know why
wow
Not the hardest for me, but definitely up there in like top 5.
@@FrozenJedi38 yep
I just want a short film on Anna and Elsa's parents! That would be amazing! Frozen 2 made more sense parents. They just wanted to do what's right.
Yes! Yes! Yes! Yesssssssssss!
There is a book about them called Frozen ll: dangerous secrets
The 1 person who disiked this was their grandfather
Good one
This comment is underrated,it needs more likes 😂
@FireCookieFox 😄
@@iiizzy1853 Thank you 😄
Dana Burks yea
If you want more backstory or have questions, I highly suggest Dangerous Secrets: The Story of Iduna and Agnarr.
Common questions:
How did he not recognize her? He met a lot of new people that day, only caught a glimpse of her, then suffered a serious head injury (unconscious for three days), so of course he doesn't remember. Iduna did sneak into Arendelle on a wagon like in the film, but knowing that Arendellians were actually not fond of the Northuldra, she concealed her identity, even from Agnarr as they grew up to be friends, for fear that he would dislike her as well. Also like the film, she eventually confesses where she's from, but that doesn't happen for many years.
Why do they hide Elsa? Because Iduna has had to hide her identity and Agnarr had to hide his fear and stress to seem like a strong king despite being just a teenager. That's what they've learned to do to stay safe.
I like the musical's backstory better because the parents died when Anna and Elsa were children, so they didn't have time to help Elsa master her powers. In the movie, they left when the girls were teens. Musical makes more sense in that regaurd.
Oh that is stupid. Why the heck did they change it in the musical.
Alexis Welsh elsa, was 18, anna, was 15
@@reizysu teens/young adults. Not Elementary school
Alexis Welsh they didnt GO to school
@@reizysu I know, but the same age range
Elsa is gorgeous with her hair down she should do it more
She is always gorgeous 😌
They did what they thought was best for there family. I love how they both balanced each other out and did what they thought was best for the kingdom.
I just watched Frozen 2 yesterday on Disney plus. It was sooo good ❄️💙
One thing that kind of confuses me: Agnar and Iduna met in the Enchanted Forest, but then we see the memory of her confessing her past to Agnar. Is this meant to imply that he lost some of his memory when he hit his head? Also, did he really not know who saved him, or was he just keeping Iduna's heritage a secret?
That deleted scene is such an important moment in Frozen 2 that I feel we, as an audience, missed out on! It adds another layer to the story, and character developments across the board, that would have been beneficial to furthering the canonical lore surrounding Disney's Frozen franchise.
(Edit: OMG OMG OMG HE LIKED AND HIGHLIGHTED MY COMMENT!! 🥳🤗😍🤩🥰)
OMG! Thank gosh someone made a video them!!! So sad on how they died and how little time they get in the movies😭. Best king and queen to meeeee💕
I’m confused. Did Agnar forget Iduna was from the enchanted forest? Like I know he got knocked out but that doesn’t really make sense? Because I’d think that if they were having this conversation as married adults he’d know what her family history is and where she actually came from? So am I missing something?
Iduna was from a magic forest yes, but in the forest the magic comes from the spirits and they never knew a human to have magic within them. Thing of the people of the forest as being similar to benders from avatar the last airbender whereas Elsa is more like a source of magic. Even with them knowing of Iduna's past, they still don't know how to teach Elsa properly.
Lucy Bufton Right, I guess I’m just confused on how he forgot? Agnar clearly remembered he’s the King even though he hit his head, it seemed like he remembered everything else but this one thing. I don’t know it just seems.... like a weird plot point or something.
@@alysannetargaryen8986 I'm guessing they just didn't tell the kids as the Northuldra were looked down upon in their society (as shown in one of the deleted scenes where it's revealed that the Northuldran language is illegal).
@@alysannetargaryen8986 He didn't forget. He just didn't know it was her. I don't understand why people chose to answer in a paragraph because I explained in two sentences.
Lisa H Lmao thank you Lisa! I don’t think Lucy understood my question but thank you for responding
Please tell Film Theory that Elsa's Powers are linked to her feelings not a snack on the head or a hard landing
Sentient Fetus 😂😂
The Little Mermaid? That's a nice Easter egg
Avery the Cuban-American when the ship was going probably ursula was ruling the sea “tHe wAves ObEy mY coMmAnDs”
My issue with the parents is they keep Elsa mostly in room by herself to train her powers isolating her from the rest of the Kingdom even her sister don't get me wrong I understand why they did it but I'm afraid it will cause some problems
No Elsa chose to stay in her room her parents just wanted to isolate her from the kingdom
So...how did Iduna look so different as an adult?
Some thing never chang
No
I know right!!
She doesn’t look that different. I think it’s just her hair. And hair colour can change (darken or lighten) over time.
Her skin gets lighter; she’s like Norwegian Michael Jackson!
Ever since the first movie I had always wanted to know what happened to Elsa and Anna's parents with what we saw during the do you want to build a snowman song, and now we got to see what actually happened, it's both sad and frightening. But they did also raise a queen and the 5th spirit of the forest, so good job guys!
Stay safe, everyone.. This COVID-19 pandemic looks like it'll get outta hand
It already is with everyone panic buying and leaving nothing behind for the rest of us.
If this happened during when Anna and Elsa growing up they were probably the only people who wouldn't get infected along with everyone in the castle and Elsa probably rarely got sick having limited contact with people until Frozen Fever.
Thanks, you too :)
Anyone else feel so proud of elsa during her show yourself song and just feel so happy it was her mother and she got to sing with her mom. I cried like a toddler
Egnar and Iduna's parenting method would work perfectly during a quarantine.
they're honestly one of my absolute favorite couples. They are so beautiful together and just, UGH. ANd I'm so sad that they died because they were so beautiful. UGHHH
And truthfully, I think they also did do their the best on what they knew and how to do it. Even if they didn't get to see how Elsa learned and grow, their story and example and the legacy they left is something beautiful. Their actions alone spoke for themselves
@jf k agreed
Frozen 2 was the best Movie ever
Indeed
Where have u seen it ?
@@nikhattarannum4105 it’s on Disney +
When it comes to their parents, Frozen 2 definitely compliments Frozen, as it showed that boat trip was in fact to find answers to the mystery of Elsa's powers. So they they did do the best they could.
I love Queen Iduna and King Agnarr very much. Thank you so much for making this video, Isaac ❤️ I agree 100% with everything you said and knowing all of this extra information on my favorite royal family has made me love them even more.
I still don't agree with their choice to keep Elsa isolated from Arendelle. Not at all. However, since seeing Frozen 2 and this video, I can understand how difficult this was for them. I am so, so proud of the remarkable young women Elsa and Anna grew up to be ❤️❤️
Isolate them , the virus got us being like elsa and anna
Your still one of the best TH-camrs ever you also make some of the best videos ever keep up the super perfect awesome work
I wonder why Queen Iduna waited to tell her husband where she is from in frozen 2 and not early in frozen 1 before their death but then its makes sense in frozen 2. I just wish they didn't have to die.
Yasmeen MO no that’s when we see her tell Agnar about her powers but technically she told him before the events of either frozen film. And name a Disney movie where the parents are alive, there is always one deceased or both are
@@kaleanaking5292 so true
@@kaleanaking5292 Rapunzel's parents are still alive in Tangled.
Yasmeen MO noo, thats her PAST
This was very thought out and well written Isaac. Thank you for sharing this with us! I like your new intro!
Iduna sang a lullaby to Elsa about where she came from when she was young . Is she the voice or is it one of Iduna’s ancestors from ahtohallen ? The original Snow Queen before Elsa was born .
Frozen: Elsa finds herself
Frozen 2: Elsa finds the voice
Frozen 3: Prequel about Iduna and Agnarr's childhood
Yes please
Hi there I'm still left wandering why ELSA mothers "spirit" shows up inside atohallan?
IDK it might have had something to do with the water in the movie having memories but IDK for sure though
I think because the mom has a connection to the magic in her homeland, she was able to remain there after she had died that way she can guide her daughter (what she wanted to do before she died)
@@OfSpace. that is possible
"There is a river full of memory"
"There's a mother full of memory"
Yea the lake and water has the memory of the events. Spirits speak to each other too I bet.
@Mrs. T that is also possible
If they(the parents) had just taken the time to teach her how to hone her magical skills instead of containing them, elsa would never have gotten the crippling anxiety which caused the problems in frozen(the winter she caused)
but had they done everything right, there would have been no movie so...there's that.
The mistake they made was not teaching her to control her emotions. She does that she freezes nothing
@@jacobweems3316 they could have done both. Her mother possessed magic. She could have helped with the magic, in addition to what you said.
@@caliBornbEauty I never thought the mom possessed magic per se more like she grew up around it and had a basic understanding I could be wrong.
@@caliBornbEauty what do you think about the dungeon scene in the first movie? Do you think the chains were made specifically for her?
@jacobweems3316 yes. For her by her parents. They failed her miserably. But that's just my opinion
Please do a Mulan centric video on Thursday I need something to cope with the movie getting delayed
Same
Their granddaddy’s prejudices against her mom’s people are totally unjustified
You should read “dangerous secrets “ it a love story of iduna and agnarr of how they met, became friends,how they got married And rising their daughters.
There's a touching deleted scene called "A Place of Our Own" that was almost included in the movie. Elsa reveals to Anna through her powers about the past. King Agnarr and Queen Iduna (Anna and Elsa's parents) were about to leave for their voyage to Ahtohallen, when Iduna tells Agnarr that it was time for them to confess Elsa's powers to Anna. Agnarr agreed to have them tell Anna once they returned from their trip. Unfortunately, because they were hit by the storm, they never got to tell her, leaving Anna and Elsa to continue to shut each other out.
I like the new intro screen(?).
Iduna and Agnar hiding Elsa's powers to the Kingdom reminds of how Russia's Emperor Nicholas II and Empress Alexandra kept Prince Alexei's hemophilia illness to the public for the fear of criticism and public panic since he was the only male heir to the throne. Sometimes hard decisions had to be made even if it might look wrong from the eyes of some people, just like how Anna decided to destroy the dam even if it will destroy Arendelle Castle, some people disagree with it while some think it's the only way.
I hope you do a video about Prince Eric's full story. Because I want to know how many princesses from different kingdoms beyond the "princess of Glowerhaven", Prince Eric met and has turned down on them before falling in love for Princess Ariel!
When you think about it, Elsa in the first movie was self ICEerlating!
I'm going to have to actually watch frozen 2 now cuz I missed all this
imagine how happy elsa and anna will be now if agnar and iduna was alive but you know... they left...
Trust me, the king and queen’s deaths definitely involved the Flying Dutchman in one way or another.
(No evidence backs this up, but it’s a fun little idea to keep in the back of your head)
Does that mean they are either in Davy Jones locker or serve Jones himself?
@@LordSalazarsRevenge Most likely
@ThePabloCreates Might make a fanfiction story where Elsa and Anna have to free their parents from Jones' control
@@LordSalazarsRevenge go for it!
So...they created other hardships for Elsa in order to keep her from experiencing the initial potential hardships. That was smart
They both have love I knew it. And Elsa is better protecting the forest. And Anna is better for rulling their kingdom. All while doing it together:) And Olaf can be with Anna during the summer and be with Elsa during the winter in the forest;)
Thank you! Can you do more Coco content please?!
I think it had to be pretty stressful to have a child with ice magic that grew so strong that she couldn't control it, it was stressful on the parents and Elsa and i think Anna was supposed to have fire to balance it out but something happened along the way to mess that up
Ralph can't be good guy but can he be an Internet star . So what if he negative comments. The comment sections are often mix's of reviews
There should DEFINITELY be a Frozen 3 just about the story of Egnar and Iduna.
How about frozen 3 with the prolouge of agnarr and Iduna plus Elsa and Annas story so the story is like 2 hours plus 😊
I hope they make a short story about Iduna and Agnarr when they were kids. I also hope that if they make a Frozen 3 it will be about Anna and her parents relationship
I want to see shorts of young Agnarr and Iduna, they are so cute together
Agnarr has always reminded me of Dr Edward Richthofen from Call of Duty and I wished he had some of his personality
Guys not to be all sappy but I honestly think Iduna saving Agnarr is supposed to be about don’t judge about where we are from or our skin colors or well I think it means Ignore our differences and love each other
I connot believe that Anna & Elsa's parents, King Agnarr & Queen Iduna were gone forever!!!!!!!
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I wonder if Disney has any plans on making a frozen the series much like the tangled the series🤔🙃
This is totally gonna be one of the videos of my favorite video list
😊😁😆🤩😉
I don’t think so but maybe
They better
I think those things you said about elsa and Anna's mom and dad are so true
I feel sorry for Anna & Elsa's parents when they drowned in the sea.
I don't blame them after they torn Anna & Elsa apart for many years.
Can’t Queen iduna just tell king Agnarr she was the girl that save him
She did
I wish they included those longer clips of the parents as kids. I was disappointed in the finale movie choosing to leave those scenes out
I heard that a frozen 3 was already confirmed and it’s not a rumor
@@shoshanagoldstein2538 where?
This truly was a magical video. After the first time I saw Frozen 2, I loved how it expanded on Anna and Elsa's parents. By the way, I'd like to suggest an idea for another video in the future. Could you please make a video about what happened to King Harold and Queen Lillian when they signed Rumpelstiltskin's contract. I know they disappeared, but something I realized was that if they faded from existence, then Fiona would've done the same since she's their daughter. But she didn't. I'd really appreciate it if you try to theorize about this, Isaac.
When you know everything about them, you learn that they werent perfect parents and it makes them more real because no one is perfect in real life and parents make mistakes. I know as a parent i certainly have made mistakes with my children
I always thought the Nokk drowned them when it sensed something in their hearts, but then again ...thats just silly looking at Iduna
As always, I love your videos! I like these Discovering Disney episodes because it's nice to see one side story all wrapped up and told altogether. It makes the stories easier to think about and remember. Thank you for putting in so much time and effort to brighten this corner of TH-cam.
Btw Agnarr is factual to the book that he’s reading. Hans Christian Andersen was, in fact, a danish author. :)
Oh and btw there's a show called once upon a time on netflix,on season 4 it will also also explain the past of elsa's/anna's mother but for some reason not their father
They are so beautiful. I Wonder how they lived their teenage years. And I wonder how the town feels about her being from the 'forest'. ❤ Although they probably don't know.
Could Iduna have been some kind of “royalty” in the forest? Also what happened to her family, could they have died in the war with Agnaar’s father?
There's still one mystery that has not been answered. How and when did Ingrid get out of Northuldra? Did he even meet her?
Little mermaid was written in 1837 and when Mattias said '34 years' Frozen 2 takes place in 1871
i just like looking at ur movie shelves sometimes to see what disney movies u have lol
Just a thought: what if Iduna was representative of air/wind, just as the Wokk is of water, monsters are of earth, and the cute critter is of fire- and HER leaving is what caused the fog? As many have discussed there are actually 8 spirits, couldn't the reverse of the 4 already deciphered are ice (water), light (fire) dark (earth), and energy (air). I would assume that light and dark could be figured by the books in the secret room/Ahtohallan even as they finally show Kristoff's background (possibly northuldran parents- perhaps the ones that got the prince to safety- due to the reindeer connection, plus the rock troll foster magic means SOMETHING) and their marriage. That could lead to a baby ("Samantha', to use the adlibbing snowman/memory waters) who is energy, and fostered by her aunt in Ahtohallan. Of course, I would love to add in that Hans was following the ORIGINAL story, and had a bit of ice/mirror lodge in his eye/spirit (depending on the version you read) to alter him temporarily. It would explain the stark change from when he tried to save Elsa from the Wesleton baddies and he suddenly had her in a dungeon. Perhaps it was dislodged when all was melting and Anna belted him. It would be nice if he was able to escape his toxic family- or be put in charge of that country instead of them (because, who better deserves an uprising?)
Alot of times in movies people get washes up on islands.
What If they weren't on the ship to begin with. Due to restrictions or complications.
Maybe the ship that went down wasn't really their ship.
Point is no confirmation that they're dead. Well unless the ghost memories were some sort of illusion.
So they either are or are not.. I'd like them not to have died. It would make it more thrilling and better for peoples minds
There’s an official story about Iduna and Agnarr that’s available right now. It’s called, in full title, Frozen 2: Dangerous Secrets: The Story of Iduna and Agnarr.
I really loved this video about Elsa's parents I want to see a movie of their love story
I’m actually still not completely sure they’re dead. I mean, Iduna comes from a magical background, and I just have a feeling that they’re still alive. I know the movie makes it seem like they’re dead, but I think there is still a chance that they’re alive. This is just a theory, I’m not sure.
I think this needs to be updated with the release of Damgerous Secrets
I'm sad Iduna didn't get to reunite with Gale before dying🙁
6:35 ... but they had to make all the wrong decisions that the plot required.
I don't know if you already saw it, but there's this book titled "The Forest of Shadows." The story is told in Anna's perspective and took place before the 2nd movie with the epilogue being the scen were Elsa sand Into the unkown but, again, it's all in Anna's perspective, and it's quite dark for little children to read, in my opinion. Anyway, I'm not entirely sure if this book's canon, but it's a good read so I hope you get to see it (if you haven't yet, and for those who haven't too)
3:23 isn't that book similar to them, girl saves prince form foreign kingdom, he doesn't known, fall in love.(at least in the Disney version).
I hope frozen makes Iduna as a kid and kisses Ab are on the cheek THERE BOTH TO CUTE TOGETHER I CANT HELP IT
There is a fair bit of debate on whether or not Elsa should have been the fifth element. Since ice is merely an aspect of water. We're instead, people offered that it should have been Anna who stood in sent her, representing more of the element of love. Especially since Love play the food part of the first movie and even arguably second movie. Plus this was getting Anna a bigger and more important role in the movie.
I agree with your assesstment of Iduna & Agnarr 100%
I wish they would have supported them more
I’m beginning to enjoy this story
Great video! I loved the additional insight we got into Elsa and Anna’s family in FROZEN 2, but someone please explain to me why Elsa didn’t go to Anna’s coronation!
jf k I suppose it could have taken place afterwards, but the setup looks like she was just coronated, “presenting her majesty, Queen Anna..” for one and Kristoff being dolled up for another. The movie didn’t make a big deal out of it if she was indeed coronated at the end, which I found disappointing, it should be a big character arc for our Anna!
I think that was just them showing anna to the villainess she probably was at the Anna actually becoming queen at the castle
Ohh how I've missed your channel, but I'm back!! 😆