herO is reinventing Protoss vs Zerg (AGAIN). StarCraft 2

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  • @primebg9853
    @primebg9853 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I propose a drinking game. Everytime Winter says one of the following we all drink. Feel free to add to the list
    - "i'll do it anyway"
    - "I hope your day gets better"
    - BRENDAA
    - "Sorry I blacked out there for a second"
    - Jimmy get's called
    - A-cyclone map

    • @chloesmith4065
      @chloesmith4065 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      *dies of alcohol poisoning*

    • @joethestrat
      @joethestrat 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Theyll expect one of us in the wreckage, brother.

    • @joethestrat
      @joethestrat 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Also, *Ahem*
      FUUUUUUUUUUUSIIIIOOOOONNN COOOOOOOOOOORE!

  • @ralekIX
    @ralekIX 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +90

    One of the written bylaws of the Korean SC2 League is Hero and Dark must be placed on opposite brackets.

    • @Cracklingsoul
      @Cracklingsoul 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      One of my fav laws ^^

    • @SopaDeLengua
      @SopaDeLengua 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I’ve never agreed more with a lie. 😂

    • @nightbanegodnomadicdruid6698
      @nightbanegodnomadicdruid6698 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's clearly the Zerg hivemind setting up good games for the fans. I'll roll with it.

  • @user-ym9dz5uy2v
    @user-ym9dz5uy2v 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    2:43 Drone running around saying "I got your minerals!!" "Killing me won't bring your minerals back!"

  • @ryanjensen1945
    @ryanjensen1945 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    13:25 I think one simple micro error might have cost Dark the game here. The six lurkers are obviously the centerpiece of his army, and he burrows three of them to the north. Hero attacks along the south path, though, and those lurkers aren't initially shooting - when dark unburrows them to reposition, stalkers dive on them and they die - half of dark's main firepower basically did nothing in the fight.

  • @captainmccuckin2698
    @captainmccuckin2698 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    More new strategies in a week than there are units in the game

  • @jaytea6516
    @jaytea6516 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    12:37 easily the best sc2 protoss composition/micro i have ever seen, i was betting he was going to be beat back but I'm so glad i was wrong

    • @Eraz0rZ
      @Eraz0rZ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Or one of the dumbest positioning areas zerg could even burrow his lurkers. There are 2 ramps. And he decides to be dumb about it and take the easiest engagement for splitting from a protoss perspective so his lurkers dont splash at all.
      2 concaves and he decides the only way to defend is BEHIND the concave so protoss isnt stuck at a concave....

  • @alistairbolden6340
    @alistairbolden6340 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Hero was really on top of his game that series, he knew exactly what he was doing to manipulte darks encomomy that last game.

  • @jefferyharper5720
    @jefferyharper5720 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    30 drones is massive. He rebuilt 30. That minerals and larvae that aren't making roaches.

  • @aidangumby
    @aidangumby 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That was incredible. Two legends. They've been dueling for centuries. It is known.

  • @FAE420
    @FAE420 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    LOL the stalker on the perv pillar

  • @Eisenbrei
    @Eisenbrei 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I just saw the first hatch and thought: "Yay, another Dark game!" 😃

  • @SquintyGears
    @SquintyGears 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Lmao imagine serral starting a game with a hatch in the enemy natural 😂
    I don't think anybody got fooled

    • @Gredddfe
      @Gredddfe 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah I didn't believe it for a moment.

  • @NoticemeSinPi
    @NoticemeSinPi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It now takes 3 attacks from an adept to kill a speed baneling instead of 4 (assuming even respective upgrades).
    Banelings need 1 attack upgrade to 4-shot adepts, which was the same before the nerfs but said nerfs make the zerg melee attack upgrades worse so if the adepts incentivize the zerg to go for melee instead of range that's good.

  • @itranscendencei7964
    @itranscendencei7964 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    These 2 never disappoint with their series. Always fun to watch.

  • @WhatopiaHololiveClipper
    @WhatopiaHololiveClipper 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Keep up the good work! 🥰

  • @hiroi-R
    @hiroi-R 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You make great videos man, an yeah they do make my day quite a bit better!

  • @fablesenpai8609
    @fablesenpai8609 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A unlikley chance to be heard by the people who can relay this idea to the balance team. But a PvP only change that would help stablize the early game without effecting the other matchups at all.
    Make the adept itself stop shades. You can have adepts in doorway blocking passivly no more building a battery. And maybe have it so its not cluncky with blocking your own shades make either adepts stop there shade blocking function while shading. Or make them not block there own friendly shades. But either way this would make pvp less opps 2 adepts got in. Gg

  • @geoffrichardson2728
    @geoffrichardson2728 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'll come out and say it.
    I dont think lurkers are worth it as a main army unit. I think zerg can get much better value out of a more mid tier army that can be remade faster. Roach/hydra/infestor with zerglings ofc.
    Treat lurkers like Terran treat tanks when they push up. Push with your main bio army and kite back into the tanks when they chase.

    • @chloesmith4065
      @chloesmith4065 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Lurkers are basically tanks that hit everything in a line, have no minimum range, are invisible, siege/unsiege extremely fast, have more HP, can be mass produced, and share upgrades with other units.
      So, yes, zerg should use them as an "anchor" for their combat force.

  • @x8axe8x
    @x8axe8x 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Can't tell if Dark didn't show up this time or if Hero's strat countered him just the right way

    • @TheNerdForAllSeasons
      @TheNerdForAllSeasons 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Dark just got forced into inferior unit comps and ran the fuck over. Hero's a snowball player, you either beat him early or catch him in a mistake (like his infamous habit of not blocking off his goddamn natural, or F2'ing his Warp Prisms to their death)

    • @transitcombine9057
      @transitcombine9057 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TheNerdForAllSeasons Hero has 3 weaknesses: not closing the door, early game and his poor prism or spotter position.

  • @You-ul8qw
    @You-ul8qw 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Man, I'd love to see a mode where these players actually have their card abilities. Or perhaps a tournament where players can unlock different cards/card abilities by winning matches ect.

  • @Gredddfe
    @Gredddfe 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That final game was a welcome palate cleanser.

  • @jordanmayer2016
    @jordanmayer2016 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Didn't see that coming. 3 Ina row for protoss against the swarm.

  • @The_Remage
    @The_Remage 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This series felt like a straight up murder of Dark... quite a rarity for him to be outdone THIS much

  • @DSzaks
    @DSzaks 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow that is only the second time I have seen protoss overcome the mass lurker. The only other time I have seen it is w/ mass immortals which is pretty rare in itself since they are vulnerable to swarm units and take forever to build up. TBH I think Hero got lucky there, that blink must have scattered the lurker targeting so it was spread out all over the place instead of focused on the primary unit mass. Although gotta hand it to him for that observer and prism/templar micro. He had everything positioned at the right place at the exact right time to keep them protected so the rest of the army could work.

    • @Eraz0rZ
      @Eraz0rZ 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      terrible lurker positioning was the reason why lurkers where destroyed. Instead of on the ramp where protoss was forced into a concave, he burrowed behind it, where the protoss could spread his army.... Dark is a positioning n00b.

  • @chucksikgan
    @chucksikgan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    When zerg strong is when they have many type unit like roach, lurker and then viper combine zergling. Usually I drop 5 Dark templar sneaky destoy spawning pool. Cause zergling spawn fast. The hatchery is too much HP. I use adapt sacrifite at least 15unit cause it cheap to block all the way back of zerg or like Hero blink to zerg at early first match fight. Then use storm to zerg unit or even my unit but at least I cover them so they wont get away. In late game zerg kinda anoy about spawning unit fast and many at same time, so destroy hatchery is useless.

  • @monteprestwich8820
    @monteprestwich8820 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jimmy when we getting a bronze league heroes?! Such an interesting series. Buggy Stalkers demand such things. Amazing PvZ matchup!

  • @geoffzephyrus9849
    @geoffzephyrus9849 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Interesting to see hero look so strong here. Would love to see some analysis on why it went to bad for dark. Ie is this dark losing or hero winning. I noticed that hero goes straight for attack upgrades only and then shields oddly enough. Hero out here making protoss look broken.

    • @chloesmith4065
      @chloesmith4065 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      PvZ really tends to be a steamroll one way or the other. Shield upgrades aren't unheard of if you're using archons, but herO is on another level

    • @transitcombine9057
      @transitcombine9057 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@chloesmith4065 My hypothesis is that early-mid game adepts are the key for hero to survive the most complicated situations (that is, the absurd masses of zerglins)

    • @ashtonsmith9682
      @ashtonsmith9682 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Dark just plays the game wrong and refuses to play properly. That’s he never reaches the heights of several. He refuses to fix his mistakes and play correctly that’s why he loses so much. That shows how good he is. Playing poorly and still being one of the top Zergs.

    • @GrippeeTV
      @GrippeeTV 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ashtonsmith9682I agree with this. It’s also why Serral is the best - he plays Zerg EXACTLY how it was designed to be played and has mastered the races fundamental mechanics. Throw in his game sense and decision making and other Zergs just can’t stack up. Dark relies on a lot of mind games and taking huge risks, but against an opponent who’s on their A game like Hero was here, he fumbles a bit.

  • @Fanaro
    @Fanaro 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    2:00 Amen

  • @cathulionetharn5139
    @cathulionetharn5139 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank You
    Om nom nom

  • @jkoenig2677
    @jkoenig2677 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    0:18 I laughed pretty hard at that joke lolL

  • @DSzaks
    @DSzaks 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I got the distinct impression that Dark may have been a bit salty by that third game.

  • @WizardyDylan
    @WizardyDylan 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    that was clean ngl

  • @entrippybass
    @entrippybass 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You got me when you introduced Serral instead of Dark😂

  • @ragetotheend
    @ragetotheend 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    OMG that intro Dark really tried to steal everything lol

  • @Technoanima
    @Technoanima 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Perfect game Hero

  • @g.nachev5660
    @g.nachev5660 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    45:35 whats the song tha remains till the end of the video

  • @MadArtillery
    @MadArtillery 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Adepts! Surprised Dark got dunked so bad though

  • @eldahalas7015
    @eldahalas7015 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dark vs Hero is like Kira vs L from Deathnote. They read each others moves.

  • @flaccidactyl804
    @flaccidactyl804 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Workers on the only unit that have an attack that can patrol without attacking.

  • @simonturbide195
    @simonturbide195 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Am I the only one that noticed a star trek reference at 34:00 ?

  • @PraiseYeezus
    @PraiseYeezus 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    herO fights the exact same way that Gojo Satoru does.

  • @user-rp7wq6hb5d
    @user-rp7wq6hb5d 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Dark mostly comes at night, mostly.

  • @richardwhite6062
    @richardwhite6062 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Underappreciated thumb nail work to match the shade

  • @jeronimosuarez7957
    @jeronimosuarez7957 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    19:13 😂😂😂

  • @user-fu9mu9hv2w
    @user-fu9mu9hv2w 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What is the name of the music at 25:07 ? Thank you.

    • @lvo9197
      @lvo9197 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A call to arms

    • @user-fu9mu9hv2w
      @user-fu9mu9hv2w 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lvo9197 thank you

  • @hexaquras9374
    @hexaquras9374 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    omg that one time herO actually blocked his entrance and won the game
    He's learning from his mistakes

  • @vladmatei1958
    @vladmatei1958 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Only a true Marine can be a Hero!

  • @raccoonduck5406
    @raccoonduck5406 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Name a more iconic friend-rival than herO and Dark. Other than Naruto and Sasuke.

  • @richardwhite6062
    @richardwhite6062 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love the shirt. So much

  • @Pyriin
    @Pyriin 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    One day Jimmy will show up from behind Winter and it will blow my mind.
    (Do it winter get one of your friends to play Jimmy)

    • @yuomovaeh3028
      @yuomovaeh3028 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Or maybe he has identical twin called Jimmy and we don't know which one is on the video

  • @MultiBraner
    @MultiBraner 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    good day in deed sir

  • @seanharris700
    @seanharris700 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I just want to let you know, your little skit on likes and subscribes is literally the ONLY youtuber begging that actually prompts me to leave fullscreen and click the like button. So... kudos to you for that. anyway... as you were... *nods*

  • @joethestrat
    @joethestrat 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Xenos vs Xenos?!
    The God Emperor sees this as an absolute win.

  • @redrobin8544
    @redrobin8544 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Zerging the last boss.

  • @Erik_123
    @Erik_123 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    face palm for last game

  • @lamestuckduck
    @lamestuckduck 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My only regret is that youtube only allows me to have one finger to give to this series...and that finger is the THUMBS UP BUTTON!

  • @verihimthered2418
    @verihimthered2418 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🦊👍👍

  • @Mr.Beauregarde
    @Mr.Beauregarde 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Did bro just say 1 hp is 1 more than you need to keep it alive?

  • @jennifer_dreamzzz
    @jennifer_dreamzzz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Love them both but hero all the way 💙

  • @YuriiTheHuman
    @YuriiTheHuman 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    about 40 drones kill by glaives and "I'm not convinced it was a success"?

  • @andrewangrignon6532
    @andrewangrignon6532 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ❤😊🎉

  • @ragetotheend
    @ragetotheend 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't think those two like each others XD

  • @Nobunaga1983
    @Nobunaga1983 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Protoss players have to be nuclear scientists to win as Protoss and Zerg and Terran can be in special Olympics and win

  • @Rekthief
    @Rekthief 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a theory: Jimmy doesn't exist

  • @nightbanegodnomadicdruid6698
    @nightbanegodnomadicdruid6698 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nine hundred and ninety fifth like .... For the algorithm!

  • @MrCreed145
    @MrCreed145 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They are doing stupid add thing again, so now i have to keep one un-signed in page open, And one signed in so I can like and comment!

  • @preston1508
    @preston1508 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    FREE JIMMY!!!!

  • @Lazy_Dog1997
    @Lazy_Dog1997 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    896

  • @paulhamtorlia3039
    @paulhamtorlia3039 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would put HerO and Dark under A+ Tier for their respective races. -S for Maru and S for Serral(no pun intended), because the latter seem to often beat the former. Not +S(highest) for Serral, because he struggles the most against Reynor unlike other top players which means he still has room to improve.

  • @widowmines231
    @widowmines231 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It is very sad to see how hard zerg got hit in the newest balance patch, they simply don't stand a chance in ZvP. Only serral might scrape out a few wins here and there.

  • @Wratisak
    @Wratisak 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow what an insame mass adept strat... to be honest that isn´t such a new strat, is it? Stop making clickbait headlines. Downvote for clickbait...

    • @lvo9197
      @lvo9197 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah, but has been out of style for years.

    • @Malo-os9kk
      @Malo-os9kk 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The game is very old, no wholly new strategies are going to be found. There is a lot of nuances in SC2 however and those nuances create new strategies like the one seen in this video. Is it a brand new radical strategy that no one has ever seen? No. But it is still new relative to what one can expect

    • @jennifer_dreamzzz
      @jennifer_dreamzzz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Downvoted for just shush now...

    • @chloesmith4065
      @chloesmith4065 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glaives into blink is less common than you think

    • @transitcombine9057
      @transitcombine9057 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Malo-os9kk It is a good unit against the absurd masses of light units

  • @skullbones7452
    @skullbones7452 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    :)