One studio I feel you failed to mention is Velan Studio. If you are not aware a while back “Did You Know Gaming* made a video about a canceled 3D Donkey Kong game that was going to be made by Vicarious Visions same people behind Skylanders (and the Skylanders DK DLC) and the Crash N sane Trilogy However some key people in Vicarious Visions left to form their own studio, that being Velan Studio, same studio that made Mario Kart Home Circuit for the switch. And a while back they were hiring people to work on a “beloved IP” leading some to suspect they’re working on DK again, After all they did do work on Project Freedom, a proposed 3D DK game that sadly didn’t go anywhere due to Activision but it seems that Nintendo was open to it and helped them out and were impressed by the sky lander DK DLC they developed (and recently there was a leaked concept art of the game) Yes a 3D DK game might be too ambitious for a studio that didn’t make many notable games but still, the studio is made up of experienced developers who even did work on 3D platformers. In my opinion I also do believe Nintendo is trying to bring back DK. You don’t just include him in a billion dollar grossing movie, make a whole side of your theme park dedicated to him, and gift him 2 remakes/ports in 2024 and 2025, etc. without having the want to bring him back fully, not to mention Miyamoto probably has a soft spot for DK being his creator And I will argue 3D platformers are popular now with games like crash 4, Sonic x Shadow Gens, Sonic Frontiers, Bowser’s Fury, and Kirby and the Forgotten Land selling incredibly well, in fact Kirby and the Forgotten Land sold over 7M copies which is HUGE meanwhile Mario vs DK (aremake of 4 hour gba game) STILL sold over 1M copies which is good. Yes even Astro Bot, despite its sales stands as the best reviewed game this year. I think going 3D would be a smart choice especially considering the factors I mentioned above and how nowadays Nintendo has multitude of avenues that generate money including the Mario movie, it’s sequel, and potential spin offs
Great post which I'm pinning. Obviously developers outside Nintendo's regular orbit are always the hardest to forecast because there's no upper limit on the number of possibilities and I'd be kind of surprised if this was still in development and leaked. Excellent points all the same.
@@nintendoforecast Yeah they are hard to predict due to what ya mentioned but it’s why I mention their history with nintnedo working on Mario kart home circuit and Skylanders DK DLC, and the canceled 3D DK game. Which makes me feel they’re more likely than other studios tho I’d take a next level game or Ubisoft one dine by the same talent behind M+R or ray man any day too
There will be a video on Nintendo Music but I've been sitting on this video a while and the reason I wanted to put it out now will be clearer once you see the Nintendo Music video.
I noticed the Nintendo Music reveal trailer showed off DK next to their other current major IPs, it seems like a safe bet to say he'll be pushed more on the Switch 2
No, it used to be Diddy Kong’s Quest. They just went back in time and changed reality in around 2005 (hard to give an exact date for obvious reasons but my uncle works for Black Mesa) to replace it with "Diddy’s Kong Quest".
Retro Studios really need to complete their DKC Returns Trilogy. The gaps between releases are now as long as a console generation. Hopefully, the re-releases of Returns and Tropical Freeze on the Switch means a third game will be released on the Switch.
I wonder what they'd do with the series if they returned to it. I personally really love the idea of "Donkey Kong Country: Urban Jungle" where all the different worlds are different flavors of urban environments. Imagine the silhouette theming being used for a noir-themed level, or maybe a cyberpunk world...
The question remains what Retro Studios did between the release of Tropical Freeze and the start of development of Prime 4...that's at least 5 years that seem wasted since nothing happened there. Another DKC will always be welcome, Retro should really expand to be able to do two projects at a time.
It's really clear to me that Nintendo kinda stumbled through the gamecube/wii years not knowing what to do with DK after Rare left - Jungle Beat was very good, the Country Games were better. They need to decide how they want to push the brand forward now as really the best time to run with DK was following the mario movie. The series' 2D games beat mario's - and imo always have. We need more DK!
@@BBWahoo I agree with the first comment but not sure about the second. The DK we see in Jungle Beat is to me the same one we get to know in the SNES era, and across the newer DK games. All of the country games (JB included), feel really consistent and well put together, I mainly just feel like the core characters and their world deserve much more from Nintendo.
The issue is that DK since the 90's has always been one of their more experimental franchises, and modern Nintendo is pretty averse to pushing the envelope. Like Mario Wonder for example, fantastic game, but it's also 100% a Mario game in that they really didn't go all out as they could've with it. Mario still swims the exact same way in Wonder that he did in SMB1. Otoh, DKC TF looked at DKC's past Mario-like swimming and said "Could we not?" Which lead to a completely unique swimming design that afaik, only exists in DKC TF. So idk if they can really be trusted to push it in the direction it needs or excels at.
Finally, a deep dive video on Donkey Kong! It really feels like this series is a sleeping giant waiting to finally wake up. It feels like people think, "Oh, Retro Studios is busy, so I guess DK is just up to nothing." Doubtful. Miyamoto has gone on record saying DK is his favorite character, and I believe Nintendo wants to find the series a good, stable home once and for all. I love Retro, but let's be honest, the studio isn't the most reliable when it comes to pumping out releases, and it feels like Nintendo want DK to be a series that releases at a more steady clip. I could 100% believe the rumors that Nintendo took the series back internally! Great things are coming for DK.
You didn’t talk at all about the scrapped Donkey Kong game called Project Freedom by Vicarious Visions! The details actually were revealed earlier this year. They made the Tony Hawk games and also Skylanders (including adding DK and Bowser to the Wii U version) and wanted to make a movement based 3D open world game where DK would grind on vines and use momentum to explore the island. That pitch sounds so promising if executed well and has a unique appeal because it’s 3D while also having that tight challenging platforming unlike DK64
Of all games for the next generation, I’m most interested in seeing a new Donkey Kong game! Tropical Freeze was released a decade ago and it’s still amazing, but it would be nice to have a new experience.
I’m very optimistic DK will get a new game decently early in the Switch 2 lifespan. Between the movie, Returns HD, the park expansion, Mario vs DK, and just general talk about people wanting a new game, I’m hopeful we get one soon. Now, do I claim to know who’d do it? …Not even remotely. But still, I gotta hold on to hope.
I think you understated Jungle Beat and in general that era of DK right before Returns, something a lot of folks that discuss the series do I think, probably because they're kids of the Rare era. As someone that was born just a couple years too late for the Rare days to be my nostalgia and not having anyone in my life who did, Jungle Beat was my introduction to the Kong outside Mario spin offs and that game rules. To begin with, the Bongos aren't necessary to play, never owned a pair of them in my life. I get it's the selling point Nintendo was trying to push, but I don't think handwaving the game away as a "bongo blasting gimmick" is fair since they turned out to not even be necessary. But also to me it's just the perfect encapsulation of playing as DK in my opinion. Don't get me wrong i enjoy the snes titles and love Tropical Freeze, but if you were to ask me what my ideal vision for the next DK game is id basically just say a jungle beat sequel but with more of the Kong family present and Kremlings with the ones from Barrel Blast returning as bosses. That's another thing too, i quite enjoy the spin offs of the era. Not Konga, so much but i guess it made bank since there's 3 of the joints lol. But the King of Swing series and Barrel Blast I think are really good times, I'd love a BB remaster or something on switch or the eventual next console with more tracks and modes. To be quite honest, idk why Nintendo didn't bother making their own DK titles all this time if they're just waiting out Retro studios to be available after prime 4 comes out, though giving them some leeway for the pandemic days. They could've come out with something small scale, even just more spin off remakes in the vein of the mario vs dk one. But yeah, it's only a matter of time till the eventual next game i guess
I wonder if there was any substance to the rumours of EPD Tokyo developing a Donkey Kong game a couple years ago. Because they haven't released a full game since Odyssey. Between 2010 to 2017 they made Galaxy 2, 3D Land, 3D World and Odyssey. But from 2017 to 2024 it's only Odyssey and Bowser's Fury. So perhaps they were working something that was scrapped or we'll see dual releases on the Switch successor. Also, having a separate line of sandbox and linear 3D Mario would be a bit odd. Since I saw Bowser's Fury as being an attempt to marry both styles and please fans who like tight platforming levels and open playgrounds respectively.
I think it’s worth bringing up that in all of the Nintendo codename leaks from some months ago (including confirmed ones for Jamboree and Echoes of Wisdom before they were even announced) there were reports of an early shelved “SilverStar” game some time after 2017 - and Odyssey’s codename is “RedStar”, so there’s good chance that at some point they were working on a sequel game ala Galaxy 2. We can presume this isn’t in the works anymore since it predates Bowser’s Fury and “SPRed”, which was also leaked at that time and is assumed to be the next 3D Mario. I usually don’t like to talk about leaks and rumours in discussions like this but I think these in particular are worth bringing up here since there’s a very high chance they are legit. Just some food for thought really.
@@olimar_09About that - those codename leaks came from Midori, who has been posting stuff again tied to the alias "Ryan from the Bronx." And he has since stated SPRed actually refers to...the NES Zapper/Super Scope game at the Nintendo Museum. So we don't really know much about what EPD 8 is doing now. They were hiring for a 2D game in 2019, though...
Can you make a video on the future of Captain Toad Treasure Tracker? Would love to hear your thoughts on a potential sequel. I know for sure it would only come out AFTER the next 3D Mario, since both the Wii U & Switch versions had bonus levels respective to their 3D Mario console releases, 3D World for Wii U and Odyssey for Switch
that we never got a third game in Retro’s _Donkey Kong Country Returns_ series is one of gaming’s greatest tragedies. _Tropical Freeze_ was incredible… coming off of that, they could’ve had the third game come out within the first year or two of the Switch’s life (with K. Rool and the Kremlings returning as villains 👌)… and then an HD trilogy pack for later in the Switch’s life… and then a new sort of semi-open 3D platformer for Switch 2 🤷🏻♂️
I've started getting more interested in DK recently, so this video was timed very well! Also, I've never thought about a DK RPG before, but that sounds like an awesome idea!
A great video man! I was locked in for that near full hour! I really do hope that someday we will see another shot at a 3D DK in the vein of DK64! But speaking of that game, I’m just hoping it’ll get to NSO soon! This next month will mark 25 years since the release of DK64! Plus we need to see it drop, especially as Grant Kirkhope and Materia Collective are looking to drop a revamp of the DK64 ost then!
I think it's obvious what they do with DK next and we got a hint of it in the Mario movie, and how cool it would be. Mario 3D platformer featuring playable DK, maybe even co-op with the new machine's power. It'd be a launch title for "Switch 2", I truly think it's obivious. You get 3D DK and marketing of Mario with something of a new take for Mario. Buddy-cop type humour could work too with DK islands and Mario Kingdoms to explore. I think it'd be a good gauge for a new DKC and give retro or someone else time for a 2D platformer.
Need to remember BOTW was also sold on Wii U and myself know a number of people who bought it there. As for multiple Metroid games on a system I am all for Prime 5 being on Switch 2 along with 4, but I am biased. I would sooner see another Yooka game then a Donky Kong game on switch or it succsesor, granted i was never a fan of the ape, now lets talk about a xenosaga trilogy remake :)
Great video! A lot longer than I was expecting. I was a little surprised you didn’t mention the Mario + Rabbids Donkey Kong DLC. Although it makes me quite sad to say it’s impossible for all of Rare to return, clearly picking up every puzzle piece (or Jiggies) of Rare wasn’t necessary for Playtonic to create an excellent platformer equal to the DKC games. That being Yooka-Laylee the Impossible Lair. (I’ve always wondered why Playtonic seemingly hasn’t approached Microsoft about making another BK game.) Also, I have a hunch that after Metroid Prime 4, Retro Studios will be onto making something different from Metroid, judging by how long it’s taken them to develop it, I would guess they’d rather take a break from Metroid for now. Whether they will take on the Kong once more, is to be seen. I’m still holding hope for those 3D DK rumors from years back to be true.
I think I'm probably in the minority of people that want another full 3D platformer Donkey Kong title. I recognize the issues of DK64 now with adult hindsight, but at the time it came out, I couldn't stop playing it back then. Even as an adult, I come back to get my fill every few years or so, although nostalgia probably plays a good part of the urge to play.
Donkey Kong to some was robbed in the Mario Kart series. There was an unknown track from Mario Kart called MOB DK. Fans hoped it would be a new Donkey Kong themed new Mario Kart track and fans of Daisy hoped it would be a new track set in Sarasaland. But it was Pirhana Plant Pipeline, a finished form of Mario Kart DS beta track Dokan Course. This track is just about guaranteed to be in Mario Kart X on the Switch 2.
Idk if I’m alone, but Donkey Konga was so fun and I wouldn’t mind another sequel of that. Nintendo has so much music in their library that they could easily make a full game with just their music if they don’t want to pay for the rights of music, and I’m not really super into rhythm games either btw
I would love to see Konga at least ported if we don’t get a new one. Hopefully not full price unless it has lots of content. I also wouldn’t mind if it’s a mini game in the next proper donkey Kong
Really bizarre which games actually qualify for the "one game from series per console" and which games don't. I mean, it worked pretty well for Splatoon and Xenoblade. And we just got the third Mario Party (second properly new game) with results yet to be seen. So I don't know what business Nintendo really had advising Ubisoft not to follow up on a surprisingly popular 2017 game with a sequel five years later during the prime of Switch's lifetime. It kind of comes off as Nintendo just simply not wanting Ubisoft to flood a saturated market with yet another Mario title. Have you ever considered for one of your videos looking at sales numbers to find out for which series that typically get more than one game per hardware generation whether its a good idea to run a second or even third lap and which ones should scale back to a single appearance? (You mentioned Metroid Prime, which is fair based on GameCube and Wii second games.) There are also a few series that only run one game per hardware but have sales numbers indicating that the series could possibly start pushing the envelope more and looking into second games (Smash Bros and Mario Kart series being the most obvious examples)
What evidence do we have for Nintendo investing heavily in the growth of Next Level Games? Genuinely curious. I do think there is one very glaring blind spot in this review as far as candidates for a new DK go - Velan Studios is led by Vicarious Visions's founders, who pushed to work on a DK project and left the company after Activision pulled the plug on their early proposal to Nintendo. I think it isn't terribly likely they're working on DK because of their current focus on smaller, quick projects and the apparent layoffs they were hit with earlier this year (it isn't confirmed how many they had to let go but it seems likely they weren't able to avoid any layoffs), but they did already work directly alongside EPD on Mario Kart Live. I think there's one other key detail you overlooked, though, despite your extensive research. We know EPD 8 was hiring for a 2D game 5 years ago. Based on the timing of things, my guess is that the project was only getting started in 2019, and COVID likely complicated matters. Maybe it fell through - but the rumors about EPD Tokyo working on DK again came a few years later, so I doubt it. Either way, that probably means development continued later than anticipated - possibly late enough to where Nintendo decided it would be best to move the project over to the successor, since there aren't any other obvious candidates for a year 1 2D platformer on Switch 2 unless WayForward was given the keys to Wario Land or HAL randomly decides to make a new 2D mainline Kirby over a Forgotten Land followup. You can't tell me Nintendo decided to redesign the DK logo just for a remake of Mario vs. Donkey Kong *or* another rerelease of Donkey Kong Country Returns. Especially not after they redesigned Pikmin's logo as part of a massive push for the franchise. I'm reasonably confident that EPD Tokyo's DK is real.
Interesting points about the EPD 8 hiring. Do you have a source for that? It would make sense although I still suspect they might need some outside help to do anything of enormous scale - Acquire on Brothership and 8ing being a very large parts of the Pikmin 4 credits give a precedent for a hybrid working relationship. When the Brothership credits are available, that might be an interesting case study to look into. With regard to NLG, Wikipedia tracks their growth (
@nintendoforecast I see. I think TH-cam flags any links as spam now, but Nintendo Life has an article from August 6th, 2020 about Nintendo hiring a level designer to work on a new "2D action game" with the position being in Tokyo, not Kyoto
I’ve always thought that Crash Bandicoot’s gameplay is the perfect for formula for 3D DK, think about it, game about animals with fast paced momentum levels running forward, towards the screen or to the sides sometimes, you collect a bunch of bananas, you break barrels, you ride animals, mine cart sections, you use different kongs… I think “Mario 3D World” type levels work better for 3D Kirby and exploration fits 3D Mario or Zelda more, DK could be Nintendo’s 3D frantic platformer for the family.
DKC3 is actually still the 10th best-selling SNES game. Star Fox's 4 million is based on a now defunct Argonaut web page that claimed Star Fox sold over 4 million copies. There's no way Nintendo wouldn't have flaunted that number if it was true. For some reason, the editors at Wikipedia have decided to use that number, though.
Nobody is noting that donkey Kong not having a game in a while maybe because retro studios is working on Metroid Prime 4 Beyond. I think that there may be one in the works but Metroid prime 4 beyond is the focus right now.
Whqt about star fox, splatoon and animal crossing deep dives and how the expansion of big worlds is it gonna continue? No its expensive and too much work. Id be intrested in a video of star fox and the above framchises and also what is top priority for nintendo apart from mario and zelda
He already kinda did a deep dive on video on Star Fox about 4 months ago titled "Star Fox strikes back" and it's about 25 mins long. I recommend it, it's pretty good.
43:44 A DK RPG wouldn’t be worth the wait in my honest opinion. We're in a decade long DK drought, I think it's vital they get a new more true to formula game before that. RPG is a format I want this franchise to stay away from. Make a DK competitive shooter before an turn base RPG. I think they should try to 3D 2.5D game like Kirby or Crash, otherwise make a new DKC.
“Ahead of Zelda Majoras Mask” You could see people buying that game thinking it would be like OoT but no. It was more of a garden project to help Nintendo promote Aonuma.
That would be very difficult, since characters like Pipsy and Tiptup are owned by Microsoft and Rare. But, should they pish for it, it would have to be a collaboration of sorts.
To me this is simple. Donkey Kong games are harder than Mario games. They are for the more “hard core” audience. Which is always going to lead to a smaller fan base.
Thx for talking about the best monke. It’s absolutely outrageous how little attention this amazing franchise has received. I’m of the opinion Retro Studios should no longer be responsible for DK games, not a single new entry in 10 years are you kidding me? They keep wasting precious time on Metroid it’s been way too long, a more deserving studio should take the reins.
Personally I've never been a fan of any of the Dk games and I don't think it's nowhere near to being one of Nintendo's best franchises That said it definitely could do better and get bigger especially after the mario movie and the amusement park expansion. It has the potential to be a lot more prominent than it currently is
Dude... Not only do my non-S2 videos outnumber my S2 videos by about 3:1, I've had two recent videos where I've used the titles to specifically warn people off clicking if they just want S2 stuff! 😂
bryxxdore4150 Hey buddy, the Dunning-Krueger Effect is like BO. You can smell other people's aroma, but you cant smell yours. Check your second sentence. Doesnt make sense.
Are you a bit thick? Literally the previous video on this channel is saying not to expect an announcement this week. Literally in the title, you didn't even need to open it.
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One studio I feel you failed to mention is Velan Studio.
If you are not aware a while back “Did You Know Gaming* made a video about a canceled 3D Donkey Kong game that was going to be made by Vicarious Visions same people behind Skylanders (and the Skylanders DK DLC) and the Crash N sane Trilogy
However some key people in Vicarious Visions left to form their own studio, that being Velan Studio, same studio that made Mario Kart Home Circuit for the switch. And a while back they were hiring people to work on a “beloved IP” leading some to suspect they’re working on DK again, After all they did do work on Project Freedom, a proposed 3D DK game that sadly didn’t go anywhere due to Activision but it seems that Nintendo was open to it and helped them out and were impressed by the sky lander DK DLC they developed (and recently there was a leaked concept art of the game)
Yes a 3D DK game might be too ambitious for a studio that didn’t make many notable games but still, the studio is made up of experienced developers who even did work on 3D platformers. In my opinion I also do believe Nintendo is trying to bring back DK. You don’t just include him in a billion dollar grossing movie, make a whole side of your theme park dedicated to him, and gift him 2 remakes/ports in 2024 and 2025, etc. without having the want to bring him back fully, not to mention Miyamoto probably has a soft spot for DK being his creator
And I will argue 3D platformers are popular now with games like crash 4, Sonic x Shadow Gens, Sonic Frontiers, Bowser’s Fury, and Kirby and the Forgotten Land selling incredibly well, in fact Kirby and the Forgotten Land sold over 7M copies which is HUGE meanwhile Mario vs DK (aremake of 4 hour gba game) STILL sold over 1M copies which is good. Yes even Astro Bot, despite its sales stands as the best reviewed game this year. I think going 3D would be a smart choice especially considering the factors I mentioned above and how nowadays Nintendo has multitude of avenues that generate money including the Mario movie, it’s sequel, and potential spin offs
Great post which I'm pinning. Obviously developers outside Nintendo's regular orbit are always the hardest to forecast because there's no upper limit on the number of possibilities and I'd be kind of surprised if this was still in development and leaked. Excellent points all the same.
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Yeah they are hard to predict due to what ya mentioned but it’s why I mention their history with nintnedo working on Mario kart home circuit and Skylanders DK DLC, and the canceled 3D DK game. Which makes me feel they’re more likely than other studios tho I’d take a next level game or Ubisoft one dine by the same talent behind M+R or ray man any day too
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I'll admit I was expecting this to be about Nintendo Music, but I'm down to hear about DK
There will be a video on Nintendo Music but I've been sitting on this video a while and the reason I wanted to put it out now will be clearer once you see the Nintendo Music video.
It wouldn't be a Nintendo Forecast if you can guess what the next video will be about.
Just like Nintendo.
@@DontKnowDontCare6.9 I suppose we’ll need a Nintendo Forecast Forecast.
I noticed the Nintendo Music reveal trailer showed off DK next to their other current major IPs, it seems like a safe bet to say he'll be pushed more on the Switch 2
I am happy to listen to an hour of Donkey Kong. I’ve been missing him bad this generation
1:30 I’m about to blow your mind. It’s NOT Diddy Kong’s Quest and never has been. Take a look. It is Diddy’s Kong Quest.
You never blew anyone's mind. Any gamer who played DKC 2 knows that it's actually titled Diddy's Kong Quest.
Turns out a "kong quest" must be some kind of rite of passage within the kong clan. The lore thickens.
No, it used to be Diddy Kong’s Quest. They just went back in time and changed reality in around 2005 (hard to give an exact date for obvious reasons but my uncle works for Black Mesa) to replace it with "Diddy’s Kong Quest".
I just really want to see the Kremlins and King K Rool come back in whatever new from the next Donkey Kong game takes.
Retro Studios really need to complete their DKC Returns Trilogy. The gaps between releases are now as long as a console generation.
Hopefully, the re-releases of Returns and Tropical Freeze on the Switch means a third game will be released on the Switch.
It’d be dope if they could get a new DKC game out within the first few years of Switch 2. King K. Rool comeback???
I mean a new 2D DK would almost certainly be cross platform (unless it came out after the Switch 1 gets discontinued), so it is still possible.
Just let the franchise die
I wonder what they'd do with the series if they returned to it. I personally really love the idea of "Donkey Kong Country: Urban Jungle" where all the different worlds are different flavors of urban environments. Imagine the silhouette theming being used for a noir-themed level, or maybe a cyberpunk world...
The question remains what Retro Studios did between the release of Tropical Freeze and the start of development of Prime 4...that's at least 5 years that seem wasted since nothing happened there. Another DKC will always be welcome, Retro should really expand to be able to do two projects at a time.
It's really clear to me that Nintendo kinda stumbled through the gamecube/wii years not knowing what to do with DK after Rare left - Jungle Beat was very good, the Country Games were better. They need to decide how they want to push the brand forward now as really the best time to run with DK was following the mario movie. The series' 2D games beat mario's - and imo always have. We need more DK!
Miyamoto conceptualized DK but it was Rareware who truly "created" him.
DK was spiritually sold off to Microsoft, even if legally it's not true.
@@BBWahoo I agree with the first comment but not sure about the second. The DK we see in Jungle Beat is to me the same one we get to know in the SNES era, and across the newer DK games. All of the country games (JB included), feel really consistent and well put together, I mainly just feel like the core characters and their world deserve much more from Nintendo.
The issue is that DK since the 90's has always been one of their more experimental franchises, and modern Nintendo is pretty averse to pushing the envelope.
Like Mario Wonder for example, fantastic game, but it's also 100% a Mario game in that they really didn't go all out as they could've with it. Mario still swims the exact same way in Wonder that he did in SMB1.
Otoh, DKC TF looked at DKC's past Mario-like swimming and said "Could we not?" Which lead to a completely unique swimming design that afaik, only exists in DKC TF.
So idk if they can really be trusted to push it in the direction it needs or excels at.
I heard things have been pretty rough on him ever since the Diddy Kong allegations came out...
Nah, dude. That's Diddy Dong, Sean "Puffy" Combs' new alias.
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I accidentally found that concept art for Donkey kong freedom lol. Hopefully more stuff is found
I wonder if they'll give donkey kong the odyssey/forgotten land treatment
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I hope not, DKC works best as 2D/2.5D. 3D platforming doesn't allow for the level of meticulous level design as 2D/2.5D does.
There was a 3D DK game that was being worked on by Vicarious Visions, but Activision canned the project.
More like a Mario Wonder DK.
I dearly hope Donkey Kong gets a Switch 2 launch title! the big ape has barely gotten any attention this whole generation!
Donkey Kong is essentially ready to be toss in garbage considering the $60 price point for DKC Returns HD.
Couldn’t think of a better time to get konging
Finally, a deep dive video on Donkey Kong! It really feels like this series is a sleeping giant waiting to finally wake up.
It feels like people think, "Oh, Retro Studios is busy, so I guess DK is just up to nothing." Doubtful. Miyamoto has gone on record saying DK is his favorite character, and I believe Nintendo wants to find the series a good, stable home once and for all. I love Retro, but let's be honest, the studio isn't the most reliable when it comes to pumping out releases, and it feels like Nintendo want DK to be a series that releases at a more steady clip.
I could 100% believe the rumors that Nintendo took the series back internally! Great things are coming for DK.
You didn’t talk at all about the scrapped Donkey Kong game called Project Freedom by Vicarious Visions! The details actually were revealed earlier this year. They made the Tony Hawk games and also Skylanders (including adding DK and Bowser to the Wii U version) and wanted to make a movement based 3D open world game where DK would grind on vines and use momentum to explore the island. That pitch sounds so promising if executed well and has a unique appeal because it’s 3D while also having that tight challenging platforming unlike DK64
4:30 Donkey Kong Dungle Beat
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We need to talk about Donkey Kong…for FIFTY FIVE MINUTES?!?
I am locked in let’s go!
Of all games for the next generation, I’m most interested in seeing a new Donkey Kong game! Tropical Freeze was released a decade ago and it’s still amazing, but it would be nice to have a new experience.
I’m very optimistic DK will get a new game decently early in the Switch 2 lifespan. Between the movie, Returns HD, the park expansion, Mario vs DK, and just general talk about people wanting a new game, I’m hopeful we get one soon.
Now, do I claim to know who’d do it? …Not even remotely. But still, I gotta hold on to hope.
I think you understated Jungle Beat and in general that era of DK right before Returns, something a lot of folks that discuss the series do I think, probably because they're kids of the Rare era. As someone that was born just a couple years too late for the Rare days to be my nostalgia and not having anyone in my life who did, Jungle Beat was my introduction to the Kong outside Mario spin offs and that game rules. To begin with, the Bongos aren't necessary to play, never owned a pair of them in my life. I get it's the selling point Nintendo was trying to push, but I don't think handwaving the game away as a "bongo blasting gimmick" is fair since they turned out to not even be necessary.
But also to me it's just the perfect encapsulation of playing as DK in my opinion. Don't get me wrong i enjoy the snes titles and love Tropical Freeze, but if you were to ask me what my ideal vision for the next DK game is id basically just say a jungle beat sequel but with more of the Kong family present and Kremlings with the ones from Barrel Blast returning as bosses.
That's another thing too, i quite enjoy the spin offs of the era. Not Konga, so much but i guess it made bank since there's 3 of the joints lol. But the King of Swing series and Barrel Blast I think are really good times, I'd love a BB remaster or something on switch or the eventual next console with more tracks and modes.
To be quite honest, idk why Nintendo didn't bother making their own DK titles all this time if they're just waiting out Retro studios to be available after prime 4 comes out, though giving them some leeway for the pandemic days. They could've come out with something small scale, even just more spin off remakes in the vein of the mario vs dk one. But yeah, it's only a matter of time till the eventual next game i guess
I wonder if there was any substance to the rumours of EPD Tokyo developing a Donkey Kong game a couple years ago. Because they haven't released a full game since Odyssey. Between 2010 to 2017 they made Galaxy 2, 3D Land, 3D World and Odyssey. But from 2017 to 2024 it's only Odyssey and Bowser's Fury. So perhaps they were working something that was scrapped or we'll see dual releases on the Switch successor.
Also, having a separate line of sandbox and linear 3D Mario would be a bit odd. Since I saw Bowser's Fury as being an attempt to marry both styles and please fans who like tight platforming levels and open playgrounds respectively.
I think it’s worth bringing up that in all of the Nintendo codename leaks from some months ago (including confirmed ones for Jamboree and Echoes of Wisdom before they were even announced) there were reports of an early shelved “SilverStar” game some time after 2017 - and Odyssey’s codename is “RedStar”, so there’s good chance that at some point they were working on a sequel game ala Galaxy 2.
We can presume this isn’t in the works anymore since it predates Bowser’s Fury and “SPRed”, which was also leaked at that time and is assumed to be the next 3D Mario.
I usually don’t like to talk about leaks and rumours in discussions like this but I think these in particular are worth bringing up here since there’s a very high chance they are legit. Just some food for thought really.
@@olimar_09About that - those codename leaks came from Midori, who has been posting stuff again tied to the alias "Ryan from the Bronx." And he has since stated SPRed actually refers to...the NES Zapper/Super Scope game at the Nintendo Museum. So we don't really know much about what EPD 8 is doing now. They were hiring for a 2D game in 2019, though...
I spent so much time playing double trouble! What an amazing game
The SNES version has some weak @$$ soundtrack (it wasnt all done by David Wise) but the GBA has new tracks. All done by Wise.
I need a 3D DK desperately
AN HOUR LONG DONKEY KONG. Lord giveth today.
I agree. The Donkey Kong situation is crazy
We need another Donkey Kong game!! Its been too long, anything DK i will buy as quickly as possible, Please Nintendo😟
Can you make a video on the future of Captain Toad Treasure Tracker? Would love to hear your thoughts on a potential sequel. I know for sure it would only come out AFTER the next 3D Mario, since both the Wii U & Switch versions had bonus levels respective to their 3D Mario console releases, 3D World for Wii U and Odyssey for Switch
Interesting one... no promises but I'll give it some thought.
@@nintendoforecast the story behind the development is interesting as well!
that we never got a third game in Retro’s _Donkey Kong Country Returns_ series is one of gaming’s greatest tragedies.
_Tropical Freeze_ was incredible… coming off of that, they could’ve had the third game come out within the first year or two of the Switch’s life (with K. Rool and the Kremlings returning as villains 👌)… and then an HD trilogy pack for later in the Switch’s life… and then a new sort of semi-open 3D platformer for Switch 2 🤷🏻♂️
I've started getting more interested in DK recently, so this video was timed very well! Also, I've never thought about a DK RPG before, but that sounds like an awesome idea!
I want a new chapter so much! I'll play the remastered in january, but i need something new
A great video man! I was locked in for that near full hour! I really do hope that someday we will see another shot at a 3D DK in the vein of DK64! But speaking of that game, I’m just hoping it’ll get to NSO soon! This next month will mark 25 years since the release of DK64! Plus we need to see it drop, especially as Grant Kirkhope and Materia Collective are looking to drop a revamp of the DK64 ost then!
So underrated. DK could use a “Kirby Forgotten Land” treatment.
I think it's obvious what they do with DK next and we got a hint of it in the Mario movie, and how cool it would be. Mario 3D platformer featuring playable DK, maybe even co-op with the new machine's power. It'd be a launch title for "Switch 2", I truly think it's obivious. You get 3D DK and marketing of Mario with something of a new take for Mario. Buddy-cop type humour could work too with DK islands and Mario Kingdoms to explore. I think it'd be a good gauge for a new DKC and give retro or someone else time for a 2D platformer.
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Need to remember BOTW was also sold on Wii U and myself know a number of people who bought it there. As for multiple Metroid games on a system I am all for Prime 5 being on Switch 2 along with 4, but I am biased. I would sooner see another Yooka game then a Donky Kong game on switch or it succsesor, granted i was never a fan of the ape, now lets talk about a xenosaga trilogy remake :)
Great video! A lot longer than I was expecting. I was a little surprised you didn’t mention the Mario + Rabbids Donkey Kong DLC. Although it makes me quite sad to say it’s impossible for all of Rare to return, clearly picking up every puzzle piece (or Jiggies) of Rare wasn’t necessary for Playtonic to create an excellent platformer equal to the DKC games. That being Yooka-Laylee the Impossible Lair. (I’ve always wondered why Playtonic seemingly hasn’t approached Microsoft about making another BK game.)
Also, I have a hunch that after Metroid Prime 4, Retro Studios will be onto making something different from Metroid, judging by how long it’s taken them to develop it, I would guess they’d rather take a break from Metroid for now. Whether they will take on the Kong once more, is to be seen. I’m still holding hope for those 3D DK rumors from years back to be true.
I think I'm probably in the minority of people that want another full 3D platformer Donkey Kong title. I recognize the issues of DK64 now with adult hindsight, but at the time it came out, I couldn't stop playing it back then. Even as an adult, I come back to get my fill every few years or so, although nostalgia probably plays a good part of the urge to play.
I'll probably have to wait 15 years for 3D donkey long
Donkey Kong to some was robbed in the Mario Kart series. There was an unknown track from Mario Kart called MOB DK. Fans hoped it would be a new Donkey Kong themed new Mario Kart track and fans of Daisy hoped it would be a new track set in Sarasaland. But it was Pirhana Plant Pipeline, a finished form of Mario Kart DS beta track Dokan Course. This track is just about guaranteed to be in Mario Kart X on the Switch 2.
Idk if I’m alone, but Donkey Konga was so fun and I wouldn’t mind another sequel of that. Nintendo has so much music in their library that they could easily make a full game with just their music if they don’t want to pay for the rights of music, and I’m not really super into rhythm games either btw
I would love to see Konga at least ported if we don’t get a new one.
Hopefully not full price unless it has lots of content.
I also wouldn’t mind if it’s a mini game in the next proper donkey Kong
Really bizarre which games actually qualify for the "one game from series per console" and which games don't. I mean, it worked pretty well for Splatoon and Xenoblade. And we just got the third Mario Party (second properly new game) with results yet to be seen. So I don't know what business Nintendo really had advising Ubisoft not to follow up on a surprisingly popular 2017 game with a sequel five years later during the prime of Switch's lifetime. It kind of comes off as Nintendo just simply not wanting Ubisoft to flood a saturated market with yet another Mario title.
Have you ever considered for one of your videos looking at sales numbers to find out for which series that typically get more than one game per hardware generation whether its a good idea to run a second or even third lap and which ones should scale back to a single appearance? (You mentioned Metroid Prime, which is fair based on GameCube and Wii second games.) There are also a few series that only run one game per hardware but have sales numbers indicating that the series could possibly start pushing the envelope more and looking into second games (Smash Bros and Mario Kart series being the most obvious examples)
Interesting idea - thanks!
What evidence do we have for Nintendo investing heavily in the growth of Next Level Games? Genuinely curious.
I do think there is one very glaring blind spot in this review as far as candidates for a new DK go - Velan Studios is led by Vicarious Visions's founders, who pushed to work on a DK project and left the company after Activision pulled the plug on their early proposal to Nintendo. I think it isn't terribly likely they're working on DK because of their current focus on smaller, quick projects and the apparent layoffs they were hit with earlier this year (it isn't confirmed how many they had to let go but it seems likely they weren't able to avoid any layoffs), but they did already work directly alongside EPD on Mario Kart Live.
I think there's one other key detail you overlooked, though, despite your extensive research. We know EPD 8 was hiring for a 2D game 5 years ago.
Based on the timing of things, my guess is that the project was only getting started in 2019, and COVID likely complicated matters. Maybe it fell through - but the rumors about EPD Tokyo working on DK again came a few years later, so I doubt it. Either way, that probably means development continued later than anticipated - possibly late enough to where Nintendo decided it would be best to move the project over to the successor, since there aren't any other obvious candidates for a year 1 2D platformer on Switch 2 unless WayForward was given the keys to Wario Land or HAL randomly decides to make a new 2D mainline Kirby over a Forgotten Land followup. You can't tell me Nintendo decided to redesign the DK logo just for a remake of Mario vs. Donkey Kong *or* another rerelease of Donkey Kong Country Returns. Especially not after they redesigned Pikmin's logo as part of a massive push for the franchise. I'm reasonably confident that EPD Tokyo's DK is real.
Interesting points about the EPD 8 hiring. Do you have a source for that? It would make sense although I still suspect they might need some outside help to do anything of enormous scale - Acquire on Brothership and 8ing being a very large parts of the Pikmin 4 credits give a precedent for a hybrid working relationship. When the Brothership credits are available, that might be an interesting case study to look into. With regard to NLG, Wikipedia tracks their growth (
@nintendoforecast I see. I think TH-cam flags any links as spam now, but Nintendo Life has an article from August 6th, 2020 about Nintendo hiring a level designer to work on a new "2D action game" with the position being in Tokyo, not Kyoto
I’ve always thought that Crash Bandicoot’s gameplay is the perfect for formula for 3D DK, think about it, game about animals with fast paced momentum levels running forward, towards the screen or to the sides sometimes, you collect a bunch of bananas, you break barrels, you ride animals, mine cart sections, you use different kongs…
I think “Mario 3D World” type levels work better for 3D Kirby and exploration fits 3D Mario or Zelda more, DK could be Nintendo’s 3D frantic platformer for the family.
Theres a reason why Crash Banooca never reached DK's heights.
DKC3 is actually still the 10th best-selling SNES game. Star Fox's 4 million is based on a now defunct Argonaut web page that claimed Star Fox sold over 4 million copies. There's no way Nintendo wouldn't have flaunted that number if it was true. For some reason, the editors at Wikipedia have decided to use that number, though.
Nobody is noting that donkey Kong not having a game in a while maybe because retro studios is working on Metroid Prime 4 Beyond. I think that there may be one in the works but Metroid prime 4 beyond is the focus right now.
DK be my favourite Nintendo character.
What I would give for a Donkey Kong 64 2…
I think Wayforward could make a pretty good DKC game
3D donkey Kong is the only way - there's no chance in hell side-scrolling donkey Kong its going to save him
4:49 Minor nitpick: every 3D Super Mario Title. Unless you consider 3D Mario “Super Mario” and 2D “Super Mario Bros” which is kinda confusing imo
Yeah, I must admit I mentally consider 3D to be Super Mario and 2D SMB but that's not ideal.
It’s not diddy kong’s quest. It’s Diddy’s kong quest.
it's not diddy kong's quest it's "diddy's kong quest". as in kongquest.
Whqt about star fox, splatoon and animal crossing deep dives and how the expansion of big worlds is it gonna continue? No its expensive and too much work.
Id be intrested in a video of star fox and the above framchises and also what is top priority for nintendo apart from mario and zelda
He already kinda did a deep dive on video on Star Fox about 4 months ago titled "Star Fox strikes back" and it's about 25 mins long. I recommend it, it's pretty good.
Nintendo shouldn’t have giveaway rareware studios. They would have produced so many awesome ip’s for them. What a shame …
RARE!
"you don't deserve to Donkey Kong" ~ @retrobird 😂😊
Dungle Beat :')
Hear me out, Donkey Kong Warriors by Koei Tecmo, It makes plenty of sense and it should not be as expensive as a new platformer.
43:44 A DK RPG wouldn’t be worth the wait in my honest opinion. We're in a decade long DK drought, I think it's vital they get a new more true to formula game before that. RPG is a format I want this franchise to stay away from. Make a DK competitive shooter before an turn base RPG. I think they should try to 3D 2.5D game like Kirby or Crash, otherwise make a new DKC.
“Ahead of Zelda Majoras Mask” You could see people buying that game thinking it would be like OoT but no. It was more of a garden project to help Nintendo promote Aonuma.
*gaiden project
Switch Era what. That was some years ago 😂
Optically it might not be the best time to be working on a Diddy Kong Racing revival even if there was internal desire for it.
That would be very difficult, since characters like Pipsy and Tiptup are owned by Microsoft and Rare. But, should they pish for it, it would have to be a collaboration of sorts.
It’s an absolute joke we haven’t had a new dk game 💔
To me this is simple. Donkey Kong games are harder than Mario games. They are for the more “hard core” audience. Which is always going to lead to a smaller fan base.
You're old enough
"niche franchise."
Thx for talking about the best monke. It’s absolutely outrageous how little attention this amazing franchise has received. I’m of the opinion Retro Studios should no longer be responsible for DK games, not a single new entry in 10 years are you kidding me? They keep wasting precious time on Metroid it’s been way too long, a more deserving studio should take the reins.
DK64 is the best Donkey Kong game to date
Personally I've never been a fan of any of the Dk games and I don't think it's nowhere near to being one of Nintendo's best franchises
That said it definitely could do better and get bigger especially after the mario movie and the amusement park expansion. It has the potential to be a lot more prominent than it currently is
IMO the DKC games were always better 2D platformers than Mario...and in the case of DKC2 and Tropical Freeze even two of the very best of the genre.
Tbf I don't think the next console needs 1 Metroid Prime game, let alone 2
You sound evil. Like a bond villain.
donket kong was a mistake made by a young inexperien ced Nintendo. the sooner he is forgorten the better for us all :(
Why? You don't wanna talk about switch 2 now😂😂😂😂?
Click bait creators for exposed last week
Dude... Not only do my non-S2 videos outnumber my S2 videos by about 3:1, I've had two recent videos where I've used the titles to specifically warn people off clicking if they just want S2 stuff! 😂
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Hey buddy, the Dunning-Krueger Effect is like BO. You can smell other people's aroma, but you cant smell yours.
Check your second sentence. Doesnt make sense.
Are you a bit thick? Literally the previous video on this channel is saying not to expect an announcement this week. Literally in the title, you didn't even need to open it.
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