[TESLORE] The Elder Scrolls #1: Intro to the Lore Community, The Meta, Kirkbride & C0DA
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This isn't really the first episode, this is a pre-episode in order to explain what Elder Scrolls Lore is for those who don't understand. Future episodes WILL be proper lore presentations, this episode is not.
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This series will be a bunch of podcasts with moving pictures that basically explain various aspects of Elder Scrolls Lore within the purview of my own headcannon.
Episode 1 explains the Lore Community itself and how Elder Scrolls Lore works; it's very different from other game franchisees like Darksouls and Dragon Age.
Things like how things are pronounced, as well as the omission of certain Out of Game and ESO lore sources will be done at my discretion. The likelihood of what I discuss here coming into conflict with a lore-master is extremely high. It's also very likely that comments pointing these things out will be summarily deleted. Not to say I don't want discussion, I just recommend watching episode 1 before commenting: • [TESLORE] The Elder Sc... it will help you come to understand what is and isn't on the table.
Oh, and for search tables:
Coda makes it cannon
C0DA Makes it cannon
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I had no idea that the beta testers for Daggerfall actually wrote in-game lore books. That's pretty amazing.
now i gotta read The Real Barenziah Vol. II
good luck, got censored after daggerfall. you'll need a mod to restore the content.
OpposingForces oh wat???
Defronnie i just read the one that was posted as the unchanged one and it just chonicles mournholds true queen as she escapes with a dumn nord boy and go from whiterun to mournhold, she sleeps with hella ppl but thats all.
SpaceCoastDragon Where does he say that?
Alternative title : Hello little children, it's time for CHIM.
+muzumaki619 Alternative title: Lore is cool, but I hate Kirkbride.
Well said my n'wah
I didn't interpret C0DA as "everyone's fanfic is canon!" so much as "everyone's own personal gameplay experience is *their* canon." i.e. each person's Nerevarine that they played in Morrowind is the canon Nerevarine for that particular timeline, each player's Hero of Kvatch is "how it happened for them," each person's Dragonborn playthrough in Skyrim is "how it happened for them in their timeline" etc. Several different playthroughs by the same person represents several different timelines within the Elder Scrolls Universe for that one player. I am not sure if this makes sense, this is just my interpretation.
Well C0DA has mass amounts of problems, but counter to that the canon for each person thing is true, but that isn't what C0DA seems to be going for. Still, the true "canon" outcome of events are what Bethesda deems true, which is why we likely never get details as to what happens with our characters after the games.
C0DA is basically saying, "It's all fiction, it's meant to be fun, do what makes you happy."
@@samuelwithers2221 People can have that, it's still not canon. If "it's all fiction, have fun", then there's no need for these individuals to push fan-fiction as canonical events in this fictional storyline. Canon is what the property-holders deem it, people can make fan-fictions about it, nobody's stopping them. They should just accept the fact that their works of fiction don't have to be adopted as canon.
@@duncanonme8744 I didn't say whether I agreed or disagreed with the message, just what the general consensus about what the message *is*
Pretty much how I look at it.
feed me more lore FEED ME
So Coda is practically post modernism?
where is the talos guy in morrowind?
Precisely, and it's disgusting. I'll agree that there is an infinite number of ways to interpret reality, but only a few should be considered valid. Kirkbride is creative, but arrogantly presumes everyone is as equally creative as him. Ironically the fact that he is capable of being such a genius is what makes him an out-of-touch fool.
San Gabilan i don't think his problem is thinking everyone is as creative as him, i think it's thinking that 1. everyone is capable enough to make creative lore like him and most importantly 2. thinking that most "users" of C0DA fully understands the concept.
@@horsymandias-ur you are the one that seems like the out-of-touch fool.
The use of the word “seems” implies some deeper and unaccounted for actuality...
The White-Gold ConC0DAt?
lol
So c0da is fiction within fiction. Great, down the rabbit hole I go.
definitely one of the better channels I have found. I truly enjoy the educated gameplay and commentary. I find it hilarious that a seemly business man plays elder scrolls with a child like abandon. I am glad I found this channel
your wrong the only true lore is from m'aiq the lair
You're*
@@TheRealFrankWizza dont care*
@@ethansmith9711 yall dont give a good gawd dam?
M’aiq = Mike IMHO
I hit m’aiq with my car.
I, knowing what little I do, am a Kirkbride-IS-Elder-Scrolls guy. I know that's not a safe position, but man. Everything that made Morrowind awesome WAS Kirkbride.
Problem is that Kirkbride, without other writers or an editor holding the leash, goes off the rails. He writes very unique stuff, and his writing always has deeper meanings, he's a smart guy, but some things he's written outside official channels are bullshit. I particularly don't like how he makes Vivec so overpowered.
he is that great
Vivec Nah.
Why should I bother saving the world if it's all just a dream of a sleeping god? I respect Kirkbride's genius but I'm glad he's not working at Bethesda anymore.
Lol yeah no. The dude ends up making everyone move to the moon in the 5th era like wat....?
I personally enjoy the smaller amount of lore found inside the games. That to me seems more realistic. It's more broken up, more like real world history where things aren't easily found. I enjoy that quite a bit, and it helps me "get in character" easier. I started playing in Oblivion and was hooked. I looked into the lore in game. Only recently have I been interested in going outside the games for a deeper understanding of these games I so love. So after that babble I say "Thank you" for the info on lore. And for the videos you produce.
The concept of one canon contradicts CHIM: there are as many canons as there are people playing the TES games, for everyone understands the world of TES their own way.
I actually thought I had pretty good knowledge on the lore, as people I've interacted with basically had no idea what they were talking about, but little did I know that I was the same. I did not know that there was more to it then a read in uesp during a study period at school, but I am glad that I watched this. I really want to get into the lore but I want to be as closely accurate as I can be so this is a worthy 20 minutes of watching to get me started. You have a new sub.
Been watching Fudge Muppet ,camel and all-sorts of TES lore for years and love it. Just discovered you via your daggerfall guides. Love it so far and hearing your description of the dragonbreak was awesome. Can't wait to binge this series now :)
Uesp is waaaaay better then the ES wiki for lore. Way more in depth, though their is some “non canon” info in UESP so take it with a grain of moon sugar
It's spelled canon, not cannon. Cannons are the things you shoot.
Derpeth crap, that means I just spelled fanon wrong.
"Cannon" is a large bore weapon used to sink ships.
"Canon" is what authors use. Also capable of sinking ships, far more brutal.
Canon is so powerful, it can even retroactively unsink ships and bring their crews back to life.
Actually, it's 'cannonn'.
Cannon go boom
Canon is the actual events that happen
Both destroy ships though
elder scrolls lore hurts my head. i love it. this was a very palatable explanation and im pumped to watch the rest. thanks for the hard work!
Hey man, totally late to this lore party but just wanted to say that I appreciate the videos. I will be devouring them all. Thanks for making them.
8 people wrote fanfiction and got offended when Zaric said that not everything is canon and good, so they disliked :D
ah, yes. Michael Kirkbride, he used to work for Bethesda before he became captain of the USS Enterprise. Now, in his downtime between daring adventures IN SPACE, he writes Elder Scrolls fanfiction & his fanbase takes it as canon.
ah, the good ol' days.
+zamba136 You misunderstand Kirkbride's role in the community, as does this guy. He expands on already deeply integrated lore to help us more fully understand what is happening. Among those who are closest to him and those who more deeply understand and love his writing, what he writes is not canon and it also is. He often throws stuff out there that includes the Unreliable Narrator and we have to disassemble his "elk speak."
To sum up, MK provides a deeper understanding to lore. He doesn't break anything (except hearts and souls).
Sothas yes, but it's still a fanfiction. and he still is captain of the USS Enterprise.
just because i like a Fanfiction, doesn't mean it SHOULD be considered Canon.
and if it isn't canon, what does it matter what it is?
+zamba136 But it's not. He still contracts with Bethesda. His writing influences the games in many places and he is still involved with the lore in game. For example, From the Many-Headed Talos was written before Skyrim and is featured in Heimskr's speech. His stuff can be seen everywhere, even ESO.
Sothas fanfiction is fanfiction, bud. just because Bethesda used some of it, doesn't make it any less Fanfiction.
and like Zaric said, if it's in the game, it's Canon lore. even if it is from a fanfiction.
i think you have the concept of fanfiction a little skewed, dude.
Zaric Zhakaron i world love to see the Elder Scrolls era when the rest of the species catch up to all that dwarven tech, at least.
we know some level of science exists, even if it's backed by magical laws of nature.
BTW, the USS Enterprise thing was mainly a joke i made up during a stream, while you were getting food or something...lol
i have a lame sense of humor, but it makes me laugh.
I honestly appretiate this series you've made. Like, half the people I've asked about deeper aspects of the lore tend to be kind of dickish about it. Hell, I actually played 5 of the 10 games and apparently I'm too "casual" to understand the lore in their eyes.
C0DA didn't make everything canon. It just reminded us that Bethesda did.
i wrote a saucy fanfiction between balgruuf and lydia. It's canon now, thanks to mikey boy
Gamer poop skyrim is canon
@@melelconquistador ulfic just wants the damn nachos
Thank you for making this video. I’ve been whispering it to my friends and interested in starting from the beginning
So it's all a giant lie? Everything that I played is false? The snow elves aren't gone? WHAT IS REAL? OMG
Everything was already false. It's fiction. It's just that the fiction is being meta about the fact that it's fiction.
Someone just Zero-Summed ^^^
Great video! I've only been using Shoddycast for Fallout at the moment so I'm glad you are doing a TES series.
I feel like the c0da would be a real in game book you could find in Apocrypha, one of the most prized possessions of Hermaeus Mora.
James George I agree wholeheartedly.
And the book is just really, really bad fanfiction.
nah it's just thousands of pages of the sentence "How boutta fishy stick?" written all over
I see some video about TES you made, and i'm decided to make your video become my source Lore of this game. I don't have much time to play TES 1,2 or even 3. I play obilvion a bit, play through skyrim, completed main quest but not completely understand the Lore. Thanks for these video Zaric, it's helped me alot to know more about the world in game i loved. Wish the best for you :)
I would love to try it if i had some time :)
Awesome dude! Can't wait to see more!
Behind all of the arguing is such beauty as ones personal "fan-fiction" can/ is your own personal cannon.
Thought I was 1337, but right off the bat I was not even aware that TES titles #3 and #4 existed.
You have humbled me. I swallow my pride and venture forward to learn more.
I pronounce chimer [Kie-mer]
More Lore Please Zaric!!!!
Great video series zaric telling it how it is
And I thought I knew a lot of the lore lol... Learning new things every day!
New favorite series!
"Most mortals are just flat-out wrong with what they say"
Nazeem: "Do you get to the Cloud District very often? What am I saying, of course you don't"
"LoreMasters" That is an amazing name. It sounds like something that would come out of the actual games.
Anything Zaric says: I BELIEVE!
very nice video man. keep up the good work
I know this is kinda old but what is the music presented in this video? Aside from the Oblivion theme.
Could you fix the order of your playlist? Idk if it's just me but the order goes 7, 1, 2, 3, 4 ,5 ,6
this is a beautiful video explain so much behind lore and the multiple references towards the info on lore for new lore seekers of the series. I personally felt like most people whom on recently is lost and confused about what is truth and what is fiction in elder scrolls lore but I believe your statement that a coda can't end in morrowwind if alduin has yet to devour the world and begin the new age again. but besides that I can't wait till you bring up your next lore video to expend my ignorant mind on what exactly is the elder scroll series about. fun fact my suggestion on the high elf build "the heiress or heir of alinor" was to explain more about high elfs in there previous state before the thalmor took hold of summer set isle. and why some of things they say are true and how they are also crazy in the fact of believing that the destruction of mundus poses its folly within its self.
As a huge fan of canons such as Pokémon and Halo I would be disgusted if even a small portion of the community subscribed to the CODA way.
It takes cohesiveness away and turns it into a multiverse.
In some instances multiverse is amazing but what if you want the "main" universe lore.
It becomes an impossible mission.
Sadly to large a group of the vocal section subscribe to it, luckily it is completely noncanonical fan fic
Agree
Michael Kirkbride HAD to have been high when writing a bunch of the stuff he put in the C0DA. It's absurd, but it sort of works.
It fits with the different way the Elder scrolls universe is perceived, and especially with time sinds it's relative to location
Yeah, true. The whole thing is, though, no one with a typical brain could have come up with all that. The man's an insane genius. Definitely a genius, and definitely insane, and they're both essential to his writing and its quality.
Completely true mate, completely true
And, again, eh, it just works.
I just got to the part about beings with television sets for heads and had to stop, I was enjoying it until that moment
this guy is really chill
Fun Fact: Skooma is what happens when Kirkbride mixes Absinthe and Ketamine.
Can we print coda on paperback so it can be burned
BASED
You can also burn the text file into a CD.... but it'd have a much less dramatic effect.
Random question: When is the Psijic Outcast build coming out? :)
Zaric Zhakaron allright, thanks for responding :)
So, just stumbled across the Eye of Magnus/future supercomputer theory. Would you mind elaborating . . . extensively?
Because of the different timelines that can be created through dragon breaks, you basically create a universe where everything is canon and everything isn't. I can say that vivec focked a scamp in some timeline somewhere, and if i say that it's part of the universe i consider 'canon' it will make it true in my own eyes. Wether it will be accepted by the rest of the community will determine if i'm an amazing loremaster or a dellusional prick with an over-zised ego and an addiction to attention.
The power of C0DA...
IK its ridiculous but holy crap that C0DA sounds epic
So basically, TL;DW: C0DA is essentially the same concept as what George Lucas did with his Star Wars with the "Legends" comics, just... unprofessional, and, on Reddit.
*...That's a beautiful idea*
so c0da is like tabloids for tes lore? not sure if i understand it correctly.
I'm hella late but that is exactly what it is. Even better description is bad fanfiction
I just realized something.
C0DA abolishes canon and replaces it with ideas of how the story went or was told.
C0DA invalids every source of canon on a fundamental level.
In my head canon, I have a cannon mounted on my head.
The lore of the Elder Scrolls is like the story of the Six Blind Men and the Elephant. On steroids.
interesting to see that tes lore is such a thing
This is the first ive heard of spaceships and metaphysics. Is it worth going down this rabbithole? I just did the disappearance of the dwarfs quest in morrowind for the first time and the metaphysics is super interesting but very confusing. I just read about the towers and the wheel, its very confusing. Is there a anygood place to start or is this where everything becomes subjective C0DA shit? Should I just jump into the subreddit?
I recommend first visiting the actual elder scrolls wiki and reading up on the lore concepts here elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Lore:_Concepts
When you know the basics i reccomend reading the Imperial library and the C0DA, and only after you understand what that's all about do i recommend going into the forums, for that is mostly personal conjecture
Sam I know this was a year ago... But I wouldn't bother with the C0da stuff.
Just focus on stuff in the games.
Cannon is actually spelled Canon.
I agree about, if it's not in the game it's not canon, and here's why: When making something you come up with an idea, then you start to alter your idea as time passes until you finish. The finish product is rarely ever the initial idea in exact likeness and the game yet to be made is the finished product. So anything a lore designer says in between games isn't exactly true, it's just the initial idea. which when finished may completely contradict what was said.
This raises questions. When did pop into existence in the TES universe? Is the realm of existence polytheistic, animalistic, panteistic, or a combination of all?
Do you have an opinion on the 37th Sermon of Vivec in ESO having a hidden reference to C0DA suggesting the reader goes to the website? And to how it relates to your comments on C0DA in this video? ESO is canon so it's interesting there is an in game source pointing to it but it is probably no more than an easter egg. I'm of the opinion that C0DA is interesting and certainly not canon myself and I'm happy to admit that even as a huge Kirkbride fanboy.
ESO isn't made by Bethesda Games Studios, but by some other team of Zenimax. I don't know if it can be considered canon. It's not bad lore-wise, but still, not a product of the Studio that made the whole franchise.
probably alone on this one, but having watched all parts, to me most of the Eldar Scrolls Lore is pretty kack
definitely kudos for the videos though. you got a lot of knowledge and it isn't boring listening to you.
why is there a 0 in C0DA instead of an O?
young scrolls is canon
Does this mean all mods are canon with C0DA!? Randy Savage dragon? HAHA
So is eso and spin off games also true canon lore? it they add some interesting things.
They are official works, so yes.
+TheBacon Pasta (BaconPasta) I know the question come off as quite stupid but I know a lot of people are butt hurt about eso especially, so I was wondering if the overall community recognized it and the spin offs as true contributions to the lore
+Zaric Zhakaron yea I've been with the lore since i was introduced to the series, i like to see different perspectives of the lore from different eyes. i didnt start with morrowind or daggerfall so at time i feel less qualified to comment on what's qualified lore and whatnot sometimes
+Zaric Zhakaron i do see your point the deeper i get into the lore i notice it really is inconsistent at times ive played morrowind through eso fairly thouroghly and i have enjoyed the lore and rping (with mods for skyrim and oblivion) and while some additions i didn't care for, others I've actually liked because the writers almost always make an interesting spin on traditional fantasy tropes
there won't be any ESVI , same reason why there is no Warcraft IV ..... same reason why there is no more Single player DLC in GTAV , if you know what i mean ...
Nice video :D.
more lore videos please
so is this series dead? or is the playlist just out of date?
Probably dead
I don't think ShoddyCast's video was debating Talos' divinity. It was just relating Altmer/Arcturian Heresy point of view
I still like Landfall Day One part you know the destruction of nirn, move to masser, 5th Era numidium and nerevarine.... :(
YESSSSSSSSSSS LORE VIDS
if i can ask a question about something bothering me(mainly cuz i hate argonians)
some guy commented on some random vid that i was watching(a TES vid)and sayed that the Daedra were afraid of the argonians invading oblivion in the oblivion crisis so they closed a couple of gates themselves(sounds ridiculous i know)..but ive never played oblivion so im not sure..BUTT
i read once in (the imperial library)that u can do a quest for a couple of daedra(dremora valkynaz)in oblivion and help them with something i guess and they close a gate for some reason..but as i sayed..ive never played oblivion so i dont know..what do u think?(it was in the Daedra page as far as i remember)
P.S:i cant wait for episode 2
Zaric Zhakaron
i see..thx for ur time
I’m a canon purist but I am open to theory crafting and thinking of “what if” scenarios.
that is perfectly fine , the problem begins when the c0da folks start selling their own theories as cannon , or at least trying to , it completely muddles the water to the point that you get fanon , and people asking genuine questions get bombared by a trillion different answers of which only a few are actually ˝˝correct˝˝ so to say
But Zaric - A Khajiit C0DA! Underqueen! The Numidiad! Really, everything on Tomorrowind!
Seriously though I'll be interested in your thoughts. I do think C0DA is about establishing the implications of Aka's breaking (see the dance of the Marukhati) i.e. a multi-verse.
And how can you not mention the Selectives Lorecast??! Tam! RUGH!!! th-cam.com/video/B2S23yP5KjA/w-d-xo.html
+scourgicus Yeah bro! Fight us IRL! Tam! Rugh!
+Zaric Zhakaron I hear you. Several things:
1. I would say that MK's C0DA is absolutely meant to be "a massive thought and social experiment as a way to drive new creative directions by a collective community." I think the conversations on the early issues of Tomorrowind bear that out. I know its certainly spurred me to the highest degree of creativity in my life (and that's saying something!).
2. I suggest THE Dragon Break (Marukh and the Selectives) as opposed to OTHER Dragon Breaks (Numidium, Tribunal etc). TES is a multi-verse (consider BGS' inclusion of the Creation Kit and, thus, the "stamp-of-approval" on variant "universes") but the games themselves give us only "Tamriel Prime". Of course its very likely that TESVI will allow Mods for consoles (woot!) and I for one am going to seriously amp up the community's Khajiit lore :-) All of this goes to say that Tamriel Prime is the core or (the metaphor I prefer) River out of which many Streams flow.
3. I agree that the Selectives Lorecast isn't designed for beginners which is why I did my An Elder Scrolls Primer series. The (some day) forthcoming An Introduction to Elder Scrolls Lore will (hopefully) span the gap between Beginning and Advanced Lore, ending with reflections on C0DA and canonicity in TES.
I look forward to your future videos and hope we can continue to discuss the awesome implications of TES Lore. #khajiitlove and Tam! RUGH!!
+Zaric Zhakaron Also your depiction of "Kirkbride fanatics" as wanting everything he writes as canon is completely wrong. The whole point of C0DA is to be able to have a headcanon which accepts and denies different aspects of whatever source based on your personal choice. A slight oversimplification and actually a strawman argument.
+Zaric Zhakaron he wears Ordo Corvus's skin but is he the Crow King?
+Zaric Zhakaron We as a community are struggling with a number of issues, yes, and canon certainly is one of them. I think Lady Nerevar's post goes a long way to point out what MK was trying to do with C0DA and if you haven't I highly recommend reading it. Cheers!
www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/2reyef/what_is_c0da_an_answer/
I am glad Zaric the superiority of trueSTL over UESP.
However, no one can dispute the pinnacle of accuracy that is the TESwiki
hot damn that diss
this sounds like the plot of an elder scrolls game
That's it! Nothing is true anymore, everything is subjective, reality is in the eye of the beholder! I give up trying to make sense of this!
Can I have the names of some lore masters?
Just a note about the 2 novels. The first is actually alright. Sure it's not amazing but i enjoyed. Second one is on the bad side of meh.
I view Kirkbride's C0DA as a potential path for the story of TES. POTENTIAL. One path that the story COULD take. It likely won't, but it COULD.
i think c0da is a really cool piece of writing. i'd love to see it actually become the complete comic like it was suppose to, but i deny any of it being canon. its all just a alternat reality in my eyes, and is kinda its separate universe. Like, you have tes universe, then you have c0da tes universe
How I see it is, I've heard you say it, we take what we know from previous games and try to match it but those things are myths of those times, oblivion and skyrim are hundreds(I think like 2, tbh) apart. But daedra and aedra are obviously 'real' considering you interact with them.
So... Are you saying that in your headcannon, Pelinal was NOT an angry gay robot from the future?
Zaric Zhakaron Angry GAY robot from the future. Don't be insensitive, Zaric. Or Pelinal... He'll get ya...
I see what you did with the game. Also C0Davahkiin: Someone who champions the C0DA
It's as if people just can't be comfortable with a lack of absolutes in lore. When I speculate on lore, thats exactly what I am doing- speculating. Taking given in-game lore and applying it in logical ways and undergoing assumptions that I feel are believable or even likely of Bethesda to create. Until these "believable speculations" are credited and confirmed in-game, they are just that, believable speculations. People need to stop seeking so much validation for their interpretations of lore as it seems those people are losing the very point and fun of speculating on TES lore!
Personally my largest goal in lore is predicting what things might happen in upcoming games, which tends to leave me a very narrow breadth of 100% confirmed in-game predictions- and while I will make many assumptions according to these in-game hints, it seems entirely ludicrous to act like all of my assumptions are suddenly and truly anything more than unproven speculation. I honestly don't know how those C0DA folks do it, convincing themselves that their conjecture is fact.
I treat theories in the Elder scrolls as Scientific theories. If it's extremely likely and there is an explanation for it that can be rationalised through logic, like for example the dreamsleave theory, than i will consider it true. If it's not based on in game facts and on your own speculations than i won't consider it true.
What the problem is, is that the very foundations of the elder scrolls lore is based in the speculations and personal perspectives of the fans themselves. So what ends up happening is that while technically you can say that everything the fans make and is accepted by the fans is cannon, there will always be people who believe it to be wrong (much like in real life). The fact that Bethesda themselves are not inclinend to do anything about the lore issue makes it all the more problematic for the fans to know what is cannon and what isn't considered cannon
All in all in my opinion i consider Michael Kirkbride's works to be true, because it is accepted by most other fans and especially by those who have stayed with the elder scrolls from the beginning and thus have more experience within the lore and know it better than the rest of us.
Some people must have a real issue with comprehension and reading, the same people also find it difficult to return to Earth. Why is it only a small handful of people, including me, understand what your saying and others have a brainfart at pronunciation or omission lore from a computer game? I can only think they have lost a grip on reality and/or have no life. Keep up the good work bud, cheers!!!! :)
Fanfiction surpassing the canon lore itself? Hmm well that opens a gate to the wider field of fancy.Could you guys name a couple dozen?
You know, similar shit happened to me when I tried to discuss some aspects of dark souls 2’s convoluted lore on a video on TH-cam. I got bombarded with a ton of people that think just because their opinion makes sense in their head then that makes it canon or that if a bunch of other players agree with them it must be canon. It is incredibly frustrating. I know exactly where you are coming from as far as fan canon goes. People are ridiculous
Looking back, I remember when I clicked for the porn but stayed for stuff like this. Great job!
I started in Oblivion :)
Inclusion of kirkbride lore references in skyrim shows approval of his work does it not? So it's all canon is it not? Seems clear cut to me.
No, that just means those that are included in game references are factual. The creatives also decided they they wanted to introduce more real-world historical identifiers within the game. It doesn't mean that the Elder Scrolls have to completely follow the history and rules of our universe.
Only the bits included in games are canon. Including a single concept into the canon doesn't make the whole work canon.
c0da isnt really fanfiction, rather fanfictions can take place within a c0da. The whole thing i think is just an elaborate far out extrapolation of the fundamental reality of the game having different contradictory sources within its lore, that explain things differently.
Headcanon is basically the way people interpret and fill in things that are not explicitly stated, thats not c0da because the assumption is that the answer does exist, its just not been stated.
Just as each tes game follow the pattern of the monomyth, and is essentially telling the same fundamental story over and over in radically different settings of the lore, so to does c0da act as an analog to that allowing for radically different perspectives of that fundamental lore in its entirety. Its like another dimension of the spiral of time, repeating over and over but different each time, c0da adds another set of coordinates to that by allowing the same lore and setting to be explored in different canons.
You have one of the best explanations out there, why do you only have 3 likes.
sidraket Michael came up with the whole concept of what a C0DA is though. So I'd say it IS fanfiction by itself anyway.
"Head cannon" sounds dirty lol but dope as f
So, i wanna understand something by people who treat all the external stuff as cannon. Not trying to sound hostile, just curious. If theres a ton of intentionally false writing in Elder Scrolls as games, why do we assume all the external stuff must be 100% accurate? Shouldn't the same principal still apply?
I want a personal cannon
Too bad Bethesda really doesn't give a flying fuck about Fallout's lore....
Where is kirkbride now