[TESLORE] The Elder Scrolls #2: Origin of Elder Scrolls Universe: The Creation Myth; The Dawn Era.
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This video will cover pretty much everything from the moment Anu and Padomey met forming Arbus, the creation of Anui-El and Sithis, the birth of Aka and Lorkhan, the creation of Mundus, the shattering of Aka into time shards such as Auri-El, Akatosh, and Alduin, and finally the death or Lorkhan himself.
So this'll only be taking place during the Dawn Era, prior to and around the Convention.
Full Credit for Nirn map to n-a-i-m-a.deviantart.com/
Things like how things are pronounced, as well as the omission of certain Out of Game and ESO lore sources will be done at my discretion. The likelihood of what I discuss here coming into conflict with a lore-master is extremely high. It's also very likely that comments pointing these things out will be summarily deleted. Not to say I don't want discussion, I just recommend watching episode 1 before commenting: • [TESLORE] The Elder Sc... it will help you come to understand what is and isn't on the table.
Oh, and for the lols:
Coda makes it cannon
C0DA Makes it cannon
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This series will be a bunch of podcasts with moving pictures that basically explain various aspects of Elder Scrolls Lore within the purview of my own headcannon.
Episode 1 explains the Lore Community itself and how Elder Scrolls Lore works; it's very different from other game franchisees like Darksouls and Dragon Age.
Things like how things are pronounced, as well as the omission of certain Out of Game and ESO lore sources will be done at my discretion. The likelihood of what I discuss here coming into conflict with a lore-master is extremely high. It's also very likely that comments pointing these things out will be summarily deleted. Not to say I don't want discussion, I just recommend watching episode 1 before commenting: • [TESLORE] The Elder Sc... it will help you come to understand what is and isn't on the table.
Oh, and for the lols:
Coda makes it cannon
C0DA Makes it cannon
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This is by far the best description of elder scrolls lore.
It breaks the difficult concepts down into easily understandable examples, as well as the use of diagrams to help explain what happened.
Also the fact that you're not 17 years old or younger, sound like a stoner, or keep tripping over your own words helps understand things a TON.
What's wrong with sounding 17? I'm 17 bitch, what's the issue?
You just answered your own question.
yep
ironic
can only agree to that, though I don't quite get where the other spirits (like Magnus) emerge from...
The beginning feels like a high school science course. Only, for a fictional universe.
"Well you see kids, it all started with THE BIG MERGE!"
It feels more like Parmenides philosophy.
I guess it is pretty off topic but do anybody know a good site to watch new movies online ?
@Darian Ahmed Flixportal :D
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@Darian Ahmed you are welcome :)
Holy shit. This is more complicated than a vsauce video.
I love the shoddycast version but I feel like yours is so much more in deapth. thanks so much for posting this series!
Yea
well, shoddy cast is shit at lore
Well... Shoddycast is just a baby's first steps into lore
The people that comment on ShoddyCast videos are very uninformed about the lore too. And just uninformed about the games too lol, most of them just played skyrim or oblivion
wow that video was like doing mushrooms
Beginning was a bit confusing with such similar names and beings but I'm determined to comprehend tes lore
Way better than anyone else tryin to explain this. great work
I feel like iv watched many different youtubers explain their versions of the ES Lore, but I feel like Zarics would be the most accurate and the most intellectualy interpreted version out there. I suggest everyone watches and then compares to what other people have said, its very interesting at the very least
This lore is insanely deep. I dont know why it isnt exesersized it the modern games.
Okay I watched fair share of ESO lore videos, but this is first where I finally understood creation myth... no srsly, the fact that you have visual aid while explaining those concepts is reaaaly helpful.
Shoddycast's lore series told me everything I already knew. This is getting into some next level stuff I only had cursory knowledge of.
wow too much for my little brain! *head explodes
I just love this nerdy stuff, I am eating this up right now. I love how well constructed ES lore is in its inconsistency... it makes it feel so much more realistic and immersive.
Good job so far, keep it up.
Whenever I watch this video, I think of a friend who once told me Dark Souls lore is much deeper than ES lore.
That's still the most ridiculous comparison I've ever heard
Imperials scholars suggested that the only forms of lives existed in Tamriel.
Uriel Septim V : *My conquest of Akavir didn’t even made ya’ll learn...*
This is the Mer interpretation isnt it?, Interesting to note how the Lore masters at Bethesda took the time to make each culture's interpretation of these events different but basically similar, makes the lore all the more interesting not knowing if anyone is really completely right.
+pizzapicante27 HhehHEHEehEHEH
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I have a question, when you look at the night sky in skyrim and oblivion you can see the galactic plane, which suggests that Nirn is on the edge of a spiral galaxy, is there an explenation for that?
It's like how some Americans think that Satan put fossils in the ground to trick people into thinking the Earth is billions of years old instead of a few thousand. Maybe the patterns in space just look like a galaxy but is actually just an incidental design left over from the spirits following Magnus out of Mundus.
I like to think that there are two ways to interpret Elder Scrolls lore, one is to take it as it is literally, or assume they are actually a planet orbiting a star in a galaxy somewhere and these are just their myths the same way there are many creation myths on Earth
The developers used a generic skybox resource
@@XuntosIzor I like the idea that the "gods" are myths, but I don't think that holds up once you take into account how you can interact with them in all of the games.
@@willothewisp4939 this is the correct answer, unfortunately 🤦🏽♂️ 💀
@@___.51 Honestly, as far as inconsistencies go I'm fine with this one. But jesus does Elder Scrolls love canning badass lore. :(((
Simply fascinating! Great job on the research and presentation :D
Oh my God I have to admit you are my all-time favorite lore Channel on TH-cam you really covered everything in full detail and I love your presentations seriously man I love your channel keep up the work and just so you know you’re inspiring me to have my own ideas lolol
Mike Shenkosky Honestly after watching several lore videos and finally coming to my conclusion on this one, I have to ask: doesn't this mean that lorkhan and sithis are the good guys and auri-el and the aedra are false gods? I've watched several videos on the beginning and they all point to this.
Doesn't this make lorkhan and sithis the good guys?
As any true man of culture would see
Praise Sithis is all I'm hearing
Vaguely? I guess it depends on how you feel about the existence of the world?
We have some really cool games with an interesting lore, all thanks to them.
@@ming45612 kinda they are a lot like the faceless men from ASOIAF. They arent necessarily evil just carrying out the will of the God of death. Just like the brotherhood are with the night men. The difference being the brotherhood revel in their position and do it for materialist reasons.
hi zaric i enjoy how you got all of this information of how its history of how the elderscrolls universe i believe you can be just like shoddy cast i fully support you
I haven't seen this interpretation of auri-el, akatosh and alduïn before, but I like it a lot. time is often described to have begun with auri-el or akatosh, witch could be an easy mistranslation, while on the other en alduïn is described as "world eater". they are all the same in origin, but are separate now.
MHWdJ what? explain? Im still new to lore
Shaq And A Rat what part needs explaining?
Elderscrolls lore is exrremely complex. not only is there a lotbof it, it also tends to contradict itself.
incase you don't know:
akatosh is the time god and primery god of the imperial pantheon.
Auri-el is also a time god and the primary god of the elven pantheon. AND, most notably, their ancestor.
alduin is considered a time ending god, and appears in ancient nordic pantheon (although I think some other pantheon mentions him or something like him too)
the three are often mistakingly considered one and the same by mortals in this universe.
MHWdJ so theyre seprate,.I know alduin is for sure. But in video he didnt talk about akatosh, which confused me a bit. Isnt akatosh a planet too?
Shaq And A Rat all of the original 8 devines are said to be planets. So that would include akatosh yes.
I'm not sure if the ninth (talos) has a planet though. he technically already has the moons. those moons are the remnents of lohrkan, who's place he took in the pantheon.
(sorry, this last bit had little to do with your question)
akatosh, alduin and auri-el are sepperate, but could be 3 aspects of the same being. They atleast have some relation: they have a purpose to do with time.
but I'm getting speculative at this point.
MHWdJ oh, i think I got it
ur doing an awesome job m8. Keep up the good work!
Great video can't wait for more.
A reminder that I love your work.
This is absolutely Beautiful, The best explanation ever. Oh God I wish I could translate these words into my language to bring this knowledge to all of my native speakers collegues
Empirically then, Old Aldmeris and the roots for the Altmer claim that they are descended from the original spirits are missing without a trace. I definitely sounds like the Imperial scholars are onto something legitimate when they cast doubt on the exalted origin myths of the allegedly high elves.
Really great series!
About the beginning of all things, I have always understood it like this:
In the beginning, there was a cosmic mind (The Skaal's All-maker, or the void, according to other mythologies, or the godhead, according to OOG). This cosmic mind has always known everything, and has the potential to use that information to freely choose to do something with it. At some point, this mind decided to take this information that has permanently existed in it (this information in some myths is called ANU) and by exercising its free will (what some call PADOMAY in some myths), decided to use it to create something (the Aurbis ).
That is, the whole "anu" and "padomay" issue is a figure of speech that tries to describe a mental dynamic within the godhead.
The result of the above is the creation of Aurbis, where the most fundamental pieces are time (called Anui-el) and space (called Sithis).
The first thinking beings created by this cosmic mind were Aka (the deity who has dominion over time) and Lorkhan (the deity who has dominion over space), and through them, the other original spirits were emerging.
awesome vid looking forward to more vids like this
Plus the metaphysical aspects of TES lore makes the universe of TES more fleshed out and believable.
I was waiting for it ^_^
Thanks for doing these!
Wow this was really hard to take all in at once even though I did heard the story's pieces here and there.
Episode 2:2Chim2Handle
So High Elfs are *Really* the masterrace. No wonder they're so pompous!
They stayed true to their divinity and as such kept their essense. This explains why they can live so long.
Not saying wondering Ehlnofey were wrong in adventuring, but maybe if they did with utmost awareness, they could've kept their essense as well...? Anyways this is so mindblowing for a mere mortal to comprehend :D
Being a year late to the party is fashionable right?
Anyways, I'm wondering what the agency of Daedra are in reference to Lorkhan himself. Are all daedra created from Sithis or is this an ambiguous thing that we don't have solid proof to determine? Do they like him, know him to be an indirect creator of them? Are Daedra nothing more than a namesake? And finally does this make kyne less aedric and more daedric?
Alright, so its more a mortal categorical namesake invented by elves to simplify religion, got it.
I'm still interested on the moral agency of Kyne then, since shes married to sithis's third essence cousin thing. This makes her more like the night mother than any other god.
JudisFeggutGhost daedra comes from the Altmer language meaning "not ancestor" because aedra meant ancestor. Daedra are the beings that didnt take part in the creation of Mundus. Why there is ao little i do not know. But i think that all the weaker daedra (atronachs, scamps, dremora etc.) were the supposedly "countless" spirits that didnt help woth the creation of Mundus and the Daedric Princes were the spirits to first gain that "awareness" that this guy talks about. I dont know which Daedra and Aedra spefically came from Lorkhan or Auriel, but i think the ones in Oblivion who command their planes govern space and so they probably came from Lorkhan. And they most likely did since it was Lorkhans plan to trick the other spirits into making Nirn and his followers didnt help much.
HOLY FUCKIN SHIT never thought elder scrolls would so well explain that feeling you get on acid. The metaphysical reffrences are astonishing
It's like a mixture of Zoroastrianism and scientology
Nice vid man. Also doesn't this make the aedra false gods? Kinda cool honestly. Nice vid bro.
The God's Tale:
The God-Serpent:
I will start this post by explaining the origin of existence in TES cosmology and the single being responsible for it, this being doesn't act directly within the TES series but is nonetheless extremely important due to being the foundation of the world. the gods and every single bit of metaphysics in the series (like mantling).
This creator is the supreme being of the Elder Scrolls series and goes by many names some of which are: The One, the egg, The All-Maker, The Dreamer, Void, Satakal or Satakel the World-Serpent (this one is my personnal favorite), but it's mostly referred to as the Godhead.
Still it would be wrong to think of this being as a deliberate creator like the Christian God, Satakel bears more similarities to Azathoth or the Lord of Nightmares than it does to Yahweh in that it's creation of the world was not all that deliberate.
Here's a passage from Satakal the World-skin, the Yokudan creation myth of the in-game book the monomyth (seen in Skyrim, , Morrowind and TESO):
"Satak was First Serpent, the Snake who came Before, and all the worlds to come rested in the glimmer of its scales. But it was so big there was nothing but, and thus it was coiled around and around itself, and the worlds to come slid across each other but none had room to breathe or even be"
Anu and Padomay are one of the survivors of the original 12 worlds of creation?
Wrong, Yahweh is not even a name.
Ruby Rose Yahweh is from the avatar movie. Bruh. This is a dumb comment to show where teen jump to conclusion s. aka me
Y’all are both morons. Yahweh is the Jewish God.
Youre all idiots, yahweh is the final enemy in bleach
@@xavierc7352 Yehweh is one of God's names.
Aka's place in the mythic as the soul on Anu was replace by Anui-El, but his place as the time god was replaced by Auri-El then by Akatosh.
I commented on your last lore video. Lightly put, I had some problems with it.
I genuinely liked this one. The nuances you've brought in and explained are really nice to see in a TH-cam lore vid that doesn't ramble.
That said... d00d. Quit with the MK hate. Hahahaha. 90% of the stuff you draw from, with no problem, is his writing. The Towers are REALLY important. Like, that's THE way for the Elves to ascend, which you mentioned.
Things I hope to see with future videos:
1. Furthered conversation about Aldmeris as a shared place in metaphysical memory that links all elves. Something like a place among infinity that they Walked to Tamriel from as they descended to mortality.
2. A lickle bit about Y'ffre and his/her existence in the Valenwood (am curious to see what you think of it)
+Evan Smith I didn't realize you commented already and one of your things you said was one of my things i said. Further evidence of the Enantiomorph.
Zaric, as Evan said, the Towers are important in what you were talking about. Ada-Mantia as the point of Convention, Red-Heart as the Tower of Lorkhan's Heart, and the ascension of Auriel in front of the Aldmer. With that said, I can understand how you would leave it out of a creation story and then reference this video later when you bring it up.
+Zaric Zhakaron
.... You talk down at me. I really don't appreciate it.
Evan Smith he actually did not...🤔
ES became more interesting to play and re-play the more i get to know the lore, making it also more enjoyable making your own lore on the character you will play every playthrough ^^ Time to play as a Godzilla dragonborn this time xD xD
So, when you use bloodcursed elven arrow to shoot at the sun, you're actually shooting at Aetherius?
Old aldmeris = alantis?
kind of
karim chikoure For sure a referance to it
Lost Civilizations is a common trope.
wouldnt it be Yokuda? .. since that continent sunk like Atlantis?
wtf is "alantis" ?
There are...quite a lot...of things I'd push back on here. Still, I appreciate what you're trying to do.
+Zaric Zhakaron It is indeed from The Fountain.
I hear you. That's a challenge I'd accept. :-)
Great Video
I was kinda hoping that he would also mention the God Pantheons such as the Tribunal or Divines, and the Daedra,
So, would Aka being shattered mean that Lorkhan/Talos is the most supreme of the gods, or is there someone greater?
"Friendly neighborhood lore master"
Nice video :D.
keep it up bro!
ehlnofey has a nephilim ring to it , atrnoach being another word for golem aldmeris has an Atlantis ring to it
This is really complicated and I had to watch some portions of it several times.
Freaking amazing man
It looks like they based this universe on greek philosophy, Anu reminds me of Parmenides Being, and Mundus looks like Aristotle's interpretation of the universe, with the stars being holes in the most externals sphere that ked the light of empireus to pass through.
Hi! Congratulations on this series of videos.
Very informative.
I was wandering when does the division of the "planets" happened. It is said in some sources, even with images of it, that the 8 divines where unable to return to aetherius... and so they sattle as Planets and Moons around Nirn.
Is it true or is it another thing entirely?
AvatarKai I read it that the plane(t)s of the Eight Gift-Limbs are mortal interpretations/comprehensions of the various spirits' remnants, in the same way that the night sky on Mundus is the way the mortal mind processes Oblivion. But I could be wrong there.
Literally best video on youtube from beggining of everything to the universe as we know it now. You just forgot to mention Godhead, and that whole TES universe is in a dream, I think that would be better to start everything with, but I think you did it intentionally.
Isnt the godhead c0da tier stuff tho?
Can you repeat that?... yeah the whole thing
What's the name of the song playing at the last couple of seconds of the video?
sumerset isle could be a reference to an ancient sunken island north of britian called high brasil , with the mention of only one land mass this would be the elder scrolls version of pangea
Reminds me of DC's Final Crisis with Overmonitor and race of Monitors etc.
Do you put the specific books you get the information from?
Nice vid. Just have one question:
Did the concept that all humans and animals and plants come from the Ehlnofey help create the shamanist/animistic religion of the ancient Nords, as is seen in the Skaal, as well as the Dragon Cult (which spawned from their animistic beliefs)?
What about the Skaal, though? To me (my headcanon) the Skaal on Solstheim are the purest preservation of old Nordic religion, since they were not at all affected by the polytheistic beliefs of the elves because of their isolation on Solstheim. These animistic concepts were present in Bloodmoon, showing that it wasn't entirely to create a puzzle system in ES V (although it could have possibly been Flanderized to meet their desires).
EDIT: He kinda answered my question about the Skaal before I could respond.
But I would still kinda like to know more about the relation between these beliefs and the creation of the Dragon Cult.
Oh... you did what i asked already lol. I have one question or observation that noone ever seems to talk about. In Skyrim for example. All the NPC's talk about "The bustling beautiful City of Whiterun". One thing i find funny about that title, is "CITY". When you think of City you think of a place like London, with 8 million people in it. Or smaller ones like where I';m from, with 50 thousand people in it. In the "City" of Whiterun, there's 19 buildings total lol. That in normal terms would be considered roughly the size of a roadside rest stop!
Things like that I take as unreliable memory. Like how some people explain fast travel as how when you go to work or school over and over sometimes you drive and get there and don't even remember the trip.
Towns being portrayed as smaller in game could be taken as the in game character just not noticing everything and only latching onto some specific people, places, and things.
7:31 in Skyrim didn't they say that the sun is Akatoshs, or AurIELs, connection from Aetherius to Mundus?
4:05 'Murica's history right there
How do 12 worlds of creation from anuad fit into this?
So, if magicka comes from the sun, should mages be stronger in sunlight?
I really got to finish Diablo
this hurts my brain
It's really interesting that the race of men is older than the race of mer in this universe. I like this twist. But if that's so, how could the mer be more advanced in early Tamriel's history?
El Bastardo They're elves, they're just that good.
Because they lived longer and were descended from greater spirits. Better nature, Better nurture essentially.
is this gonna be on the test?
Pretty fascinating no? Auri-El ascended to godhood. Later Talos performed the same feat. A lower being in Aldmer eyes. Auri-El represents light. Lorkhan represents darkness. Yet watchng this it is so hard to tell wich is Good or Evil. While all they really are is 2 different sides holding different views constantly challenging eachothers guts. Just like real life. Peace or Chaos. Both become dull eventually as what all really want is change....and then change it again.
But if Alduin is just a shard of Aka like Auri-El and Akatosh, why does he so proudly mention to be the firstborn of Akatosh? How does that make sense?
I just thought of Ani and Padmay lol.
Hey Zaric what happened to your offensive skyrim series. did you delete it on dailymotion?
Alright man thanks for replying. Also thank you for making these vids. When I first played skyrim it was on the 360 so now I'm getting a PC. So now I can get started on what mods I could get. And now I know a bit more of the history of Tamriel.
maybe you should talk about how Daedra and Aedra managed to be what they are during this developing line, something that probably have an proper explanation that I actually missed about...
I know shoddy cast, but i barely remember any detail of their content.
Even ignoring the Nu-Mantia Intercept, I think you're being inconsistent here. The Empire certainly held that Aldmeris never existed, however, I have never come across any such beliefs or propaganda regarding Yokuda, Atmora or Akavir. I'm curious regarding your source on these latter elements, as I've never seen that viewpoint be pushed before.
I mean, Yokuda and Akavir *demonstrably* exist at least, if by no other fact than by that there was military contact with them withi the scope of written history. The Third Empire even went on to counter-invade Akavir, if I recall correctly (to disastrous result, but still).
As for the Towers being more sci-fi than fantasy, I must admit I've never thought of that before, but that's a matter of taste I suppose. Personally, I think they explain rather a lot, so I like to include that into my own interpretation of the canon.
+Zaric Zhakaron "the most asinine way possible" LMAO! anyways for alyids and downwards... (uncoruptably so) this is pritty much bigotry justified.
+Zaric Zhakaron How would you explain the concept of the Towers, that would be an interesting fit into the lore? (I'm interested in your opinion, respectively)
Where do the Aedra and Daedra fit into this?
Alduin is so badass in lore but in reality he is nothing. Man just look at mehrunes dagon nearly destroyed tamriel.
Not really relevant but, I wonder if in the future we will visit the other continents on nirn, cause I think it would be pretty cool
I dont understand. Why does Aka not exist in our timeline? Does that mean that universes were made in separate universes? If he doesn't exist in our timeline, what timeline if any does he? Can someone explain this to me please?
Zaric Zhakaron Ah, I see. Thanks man
It's sound like Ainulindalë :))
I'm so confused, this is the forth time watching this video, yet I still don't understand why Aka doesn't exist in our timeline. Is it an effect of a Dragonbreak? What exactly caused Auri-el to take the place of Aka?
What caused aka’s break was the fact that the concept of time was meant to be limitless yet lorkhan’s creation of Mundus allowed for time to be limited therefore creating a reality breaking contradiction that shattered Aka altogether
Anu cheeki breeki iv damke!
u know everybody loves this shit when u have 0 dislikes on a video..thx man..been waitin for this..
quick question..have u read the 2920 1E bookseries??
i just finished reading it like 2 days ago or something..and its reeaaallly awesome..i really enjoyed it and i was wondering if it counts as canon..cuz it mentioned a lot of important events like the war with the Reman empire and his assassination and the battle in Mournhold against Dagon..but the way the stories are told is like a book about some drama series..soooo what do u think?
why did Lorkhan make Nirn
you forgot to include that.
Second time I watched this, so its a technicality question.. what about the Daedra? Where do they fit in to all of this? Are they part of Mundus or just the Oblivion, are they tied to the cyclical nature of the worlds reset button or do they remember each and every world that was? How come they can even enter the Mundus if they had no part in creating it and why can they influence it? And if the escaping Aedra tore holes through Oblivion to enter Aetherius, didn't that aversely affect Oblivion to? Why did the lesser daedra form like the Enhlofey did with the difference of mortality? And if there are whole worlds and dimensions in Oblivion with their own rules and laws then why didn't the original aedra do the same? Must have been easier to just have your own world just as big and populated as Mundus without sacrificing your self in the process of creating it?
Yeah he doesnt seem to talk about the Daedra too much, which I think is important even if they werent very active. From what I understand the Daedra didnt DO anything to create Mundus, which is why he skipped over it Im assuming, and are not bound by the laws of Mundus because of it. Like Umaril, when Daedra die in Mundus their spiritual essence goes back to their plane of oblivion. The only way to kill a Daedra is to kill them in their plane... Thats just what I understand though. Sorry I couldnt answer all of your questions.
Well as far as I know you CAN'T kill a Daedra period, even in the realms of oblivion they'll just reform again over time. The drawback of that is that they absolutely can't reproduce there is a finite "Energy" in oblivion that can't be added or retracted from.
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Hey Zach... its been awhile man... you havent made lore videos for the longest of time. I know coz i follow your channel. You have been making some rant videos... some preview videos... but not lore videos. You said you'd make more lore videos.
So in the begging it was an EXTREME YIN AND YANG THING THAT CREATED A THRID THING AND HIJINKS HAPPENED
okay, a few questions. one: i've heard some talk about this"godhead" or "dreamer" theory. stating that there is a One True God in TES lore that made Anu and Padomey within his own dream and pulls the "real" strings of fate for all beings, is there any credit to this theory? or is this just another person's CODA or headcanon?
two: another theory(often used alongside the godhead theory) says that Anu and Padomey have awareness and will, just like the lesser souls of Auri-El and Lorkahn. does this theory have any credibility?
and three: the last of the three theories that are used together is the Amaranth theory of breaking out of the godhead or dreamer's dream and going to the "real world". often called the second state after CHIM that only Anu achieved, leaving behind his soul fragment in the Aurbus. what are your thoughts on these theories?
Zaric Zhakaron got it, it's more or less just like a lot of the other lore theories, it's not at all proven or canon, but has some credibility due to it's author. no real one objective truth. at least it makes making backstories for my characters fun. anyways i'll not ramble, thank you for replying.
I was trying to find the origin of the scrolls themselves
So where do Kalpas fit into all of this? I would really appreciate it if someone explaines it to me.
The idea is that this whole series of events: Creation then destruction of the world via Alduin has been repeated innumerable times.
@@OdaManjiro when does it start? With the first 2 beings or somewhere else down the line? thats what I really doint get. Because there is a theory that it all happens on the continents of Tamriel. It happened to the contintent where the redguard came from and tamriel is next. That doesnt make sense because their arent infinte continents and time obviously still flows on Akavir.
@@grantwalter2243 I'd say it ends with a serpent/dragon god ending all creation and then everything begins again with Anu & Padomei. I don't personally believe in the idea that the continents of Yokuda and Akavir are different time periods. Yokuda still exists as a chain of small islands in the western ocean, and Uriel V traveled to Akavir.
Nice video. my headcannon is that their world was made the same ours was and life evolved in the same way it did on earth, and all this lore is just what the human and human like races made up to make sense of the world.
+umwha Except that this lore demonstrably is fact...
Yeahh, I hate how there is no room for skepticism in that world
***** You hate that the Gods actually exist and interfere in that world? Maybe fantasy isn't for you?
You dont have to like every aspect of fantasy, and literal gods arent in all fantasy worlds. The A Song of Ice and Fire-verse, for instance, manages to be high fantasy and highly realistic at the same time. It is even ambivalent on the existence of gods.
***** If you think A Song of Ice and Fire is high fantasy, you have another thing coming. It's mid-fantasy, at most; the double-edged magic and dragons provide exceptions to that fact, but it is very much not high fantasy.
Regardless, The Elder Scrolls is not merely fantasy, it's post-modern science fantasy that takes place in the figurative dream of a comatose Godhead; I can understand your criticism but I don't really understand why you hate it. I think it does everything really well, especially when it comes to religion. Case in point: the religious conflicts in Morrowind (during the time of the game of the same name). The various gods (Aedra, Daedra, former mortals, etc.) make for something very interesting and it's even more interesting, in my opinion, that they actually exist.
How much of this is know in-game, by the npcs? Like, do the Mage's Guild, Telvanni or different Colleges have books or scholars on this? Is this Moth Priest "prophecy" from scrolls? I'm assuming the Altmer have records of some form, how much of this would be there?
from what i know. most of this originates in life books lectures etc. mostly from games earlier than Skyrim that focused more on the metaphysical history.
*lore books not life books
Do you think toshraka is a shard
Has anyone ever done any work comparing ES lore to real world sources? A lot of this reminds me of Taoist and Hindu cosmology and Lorkhan rebelling of Zorastrian and Abrahamic ones
Zaric, do you get into real world history? I imagine most lore enthusiasts do.
I don't really get the Divive Interplay.
Why would things first be arranged by order? Anu being the stasis and permanency makes sence because it is the first what ever and all it knows what to do is just that exist, then comes chaos, Padomay.
Why directly after this would come order?
In my view, order is the product of an scient being confronting chaos and needing to make sence out of it, so he arranges chaotic things according to a order.
So in my view after existence, Anu, and chaos, Padomay you need concience and only then you would have order...
Also, just for the sake of undertanding. It is only in Nirn where the concepts of time and space take effect together (are they the "super powers" of Auri-El and Lorkhan?) and that is why the spirits began to die?
I know, a year late but I just read your comment. Anu is order and stasis. It's the same thing. And yes linear time and limited space only exist in Nirn but they are the super powers of Aka and Lorkhan, not Auriel