I’m black and I’m glad to see affirmative action go. That said, the reason affirmative action was created was because of favoritism. Which they are starting to touch on in “legacy” based admission and “children of donors and faculty/staff”. That needs to be eradicated too.
@@jeffdo9195how would you fking know he did ? 😂this shows the kind of mentality people like you have. You look at who gained something not who lost something.....
AA created because of "favoritism"?!? It was, generally, initiated because minorities ( particularly blacks), fail disproportionately more than whites.
I was reminded of something that happened in Mexico when I was living there. A very good friend of mine had been brought up illiterate, had managed to teach herself to read and write, She very badly wanted her children to be educated. So she bought her son an encyclopedia. One day she called me and said could you come and teach my boy how to use the encyclopedia that I bought him? She could not. I felt very flattered that I was asked and I went over and I taught him. A few years ago I visited them; he's now in his 30s and he's an architect.
I also have known people without education that have made millions with Rap songs. Or likewise made it against all odds, I think rich kids lose out on chance, a strange viewpoint I know, talent can not be squashed forever into an educational pigeonhole.
@@mfasnoza1778 An architect MUST have a formal education, and a quite broad one: some engineering, applied mathematics, applied material science, and a lot of art and art history. That's why the example was so on point.
Affirmative action has been the thorn on the side of Canadian employers for a very long time. Never mind merit and individual ability if you're not the right skin colour and ethnicity.
@@jeffspicolli593 -- Though I realize they were talking about university admissions and the like, I needed to bring up what Canadians have had to put up with on the employment front for a very, very long time.
I wish they would've ended this sooner, it was very demoralizing as a younger man knowing that the first reason I was considered for my university of choice was because of my race and not my merit, I steered clear of state University's because of this. Community college treated me like an individual, now I'm better off financially for it so affirmative action helped me dodge a bullet in a way.
It's a shame, but it means that in time you will be judged for your character rather than an assumed affirmative action enrollment. Sooner would be better, but ever is a welcome miracle.
You couldn't get an admission of "affirmative action" at all until just a couple of years ago. Obama claimed very loudly that it did not exist, as have all other leftists.
I have to think that affirmative action contributes to imposter syndrome. I could see that being a source of self doubt especially because high achievers often struggle with those feelings anyway.
It isn't obvious to me that community college served you particularly well. For example, there is a difference between the singular possessive "university's" and the pleural "universities".
This was an outstanding discussion between Dr Peterson and Dr Arcidiacono. I'm in the UK and had not fully understood what has been going on in the world of university admissions policies in the USA. Well done to Dr Arcidiacono for working so hard on this and obtaining the important Supreme Court ruling. In the UK, the universities are certainly going all out to pull in more students from certain groups. Our admissions procedure used to be based around an interview, after which an offer would be made to the student based upon them then obtaining certain grades in their A Level exams, the ones we take at the age of 18 in the UK. SATs scores were not used in my day. The group which has been performing the worst academically for some time in the UK now is white working class males, few people seem to care about them. Thanks for this illuminating discussion.
Just published another book: Social Justice Fallacies. Has been making the rounds. Great interview with Peter Robinson on Uncommon Knowledge. Still going strong at 93.
@@tdeo2141 don't worry, those cowards will get exactly what's coming to them when Peterson goes through their 'reeducation' and records all of it. These spineless clowns have no idea what it means to mess with a righteous man.
Love to Jordan Peterson I'm so grateful for your dedication to speak with us with virtually all the attention to detail and using resources to provide citizens with access to information for change and I appreciate everything you do for the future of our generation to come would love to interview with you personally I would be very grateful 🙏
@@l.w.paradis2108 I wouldn't trust him around my children in my presence. Peterson has no integrity and lacks the courage of his convictions. Truly pathetic and irredeemable. His one shining moment was eviscerating the hyper-aggressive, disingenuous Kathy Newman, in his unruffled, confident demeanor.
Merit only! What I like about this (though I would have lost out, and I'm not sure that would be wrong) is that you can more competently determine the rate of success by looking at merit only. I agree that it is brutal to be told "Yes, you can do this" then FAIL! Crushed me in High School. However, it helped me discover that I had a big handicap in reading. I was over 7 grades below my current grade in reading. It answered why I was almost failing one class. Once we knew the problem and addressed it, after I got special help, I leapt 7 grades UP in a year and a half with hard work. How is that a bad outcome? I'd hate to spend a ton of money on something I won't be able to use because I cannot perform adequately. Looking at it only from the student's view here.
In the first decade of the 21st century, starting my computer science degree at my local community college, there were multiple scholarships immediately available at the college for women, black people, and various other ethnicities and even religious affiliations (such as Muslims). There were exactly ZERO for men, not even men of Southeast Asian descent (2nd generation) such as myself. It seems we were considered “honorary white men” in this regard, and thus there were no special offers for us. I specifically asked the finance office of the college, and they said it’s a Pell Grant (which was difficult to obtain for a number of reasons, especially if you were married and had either you or your spouse working even barely above poverty wages, which I was) or student loans. If that is not minority privilege and discrimination, I don’t know what is. When one (or in my case, two) category of person isn’t given a level playing field with multiple minorities, that is NOT equality, that is disadvantage. Women (of all stripes) and certain minorities were given preferential treatment, simple as that. That’s the very essence of discrimination and prejudice. Thankfully, I had my GI Bill money to fall back on from serving my nation in WAR! That’s how I got to go to school without crippling debt, by literally putting my life on the line for a seat at the table. It’s a disgrace, and it’s hardly a surprise women and minorities graduate at higher rates than white (and apparently Asian) men; they’re given a helping hand right from he start just for existing. Men had to be destitute or court death for a chance to learn without crippling debt. You will NEVER hear me defend the preferential treatment of people based on accidents of birth and upbringing. Oh, and I was an honors student out of high school, at the absolute top of my class in highly STEM based military technical training (with a 98% grade average and multiple awards for acing most of my tests), and I graduated college with a near 4.0. GPA (it would have been 4.0, but I had to drop a couple classes do to serious illness I live with; yes, I was working a part-time job, ill, and still excelling in school with zero financial aid from the Feds or my state besides my GI benefits). None of those accolades meant bupkis for financial aid. Meritocracy was naught but a concept to be discussed in sociology class. But I got my bloody degree, with honors, despite the damned system.
First off: thank you for your service. And second, I think that minorities often graduate at lower rates than whites and Asians because they were given a helping hand to get in, but that hand doesn't extend to actual school performance. There is a statistic relayed by Peter A. in this discussion where he cites that the drop out rate for blacks in Economics is over fifty percent, versus only eight percent for whites (6-7 times higher).
I am delighted to hear that you got your degree with honours, despite the system being rigged against you. I am really shocked at what I have learned from this important discussion between Dr Peterson and Dr Arcidiacono. Wishing you well for the future from the other side of the Atlantic.
I would love ❤️ to have Jordan Peterson and Thomas Sowell discuss the *_Pareto Principle.._* what it is, the large body of empirical evidence saying it's true, and the hatred towards it by those who profess their love ❤️ of Humanity in general.. all while ignoring the individuals who encompass said groups. Seriously, Jordan.. Thomas isn't going to be here forever!
Dr Peterson, could you speak with Dr Thomas Sowell? He has a new book out you could promote in the podcast and I think you both would have a very productive conversation in this genre. God bless, Dr. Peterson.
@@katadam2186the only experience better than Dr Jordan Peterson and Thomas Sowell speaking together..... would be to add in Victor Davis Hanson. ❤❤❤ They would have to speak together for three hours, and even then we would all be left wanting more 😊.
Thank you for sharing this program. Having followed your personal life and struggle with 'social value' advocates, I marvel about your ability to endure and produce such impact on others in a most positive manner. Gave my grandson your book about the 12 value rules of life. Thanks for having such interesting guests on your programs.
I worked for public transit as the only white female in a driver position and was treated with race based hate for 5 years, 7 months and 24 days, at the end of which they sent me to anger management where I was diagnosed with complex ptsd FROM THAT JOB. The day they got the report that I had not anger, but "trauma ongoing job related", they sent me home for what else? Racism.
In the world and in many universities, there is not only color discrimination, racial discrimination, but also religious discrimination is at a very advanced level. Islam and Muslims are excluded. Islam has been portrayed as a religion of terrorism, whereas Islam gives importance to peace, brotherhood and cooperation.❤
Happened to me as a black man working in healthcare. not the getting sent to anger management but the bullying because I’m the only one like me in my position. It was so bad when I quit 3 years ago I vowed to only work on contact not staff, because I can leave if things get bad.
Ironically, meritocracy is the ultimate equalizer. It's actually pretty funny how people accusing everyone and their mom of racism want to get rid of it, in a cartoonishly tone deaf display of racism.
bro ever spoken to someone like that? prolly not. 90% of people today just scream racism at the most ridiculous things, while then turning around and supports affirmative action which is racism.@@ryanforgo3500
Do you really think the system is based on meritocracy? The economist already said that his children gain their merit by virtue of their family situation. This kind of system is unjust and unjust systems do not last long.
Dear Dr. Peterson, I'm from Hatay, a city shattered by an earthquake. I've lost over 100 loved ones, and we're struggling to cope. Your teachings have been my anchor, helping me improve my life. But now, facing this immense tragedy, I'm lost and unable to help myself or my community. I desperately need your guidance to regain clarity and function effectively. Sincerely, Can Tasar
Greetings Dr Peterson.....you are looking well and strong inspite of.....thank you a million times for what you are doing....able to face situations with dignity and wisdom ...Jesus blesses and protects and gives you victory over the forces of darkness. Amen.
Please have a conversation with Thomas Sowell. He has been pushing back on affirmative action for decades. The two of you have many followers in common and it would be great to have the two of you come together atleast once.
SAT used to measure intelligence AND tease out abilities under the far right tail of the curve. The 99th percentile on the SAT used to be somewhere around 1360. Since then, College Board has redesigned the SAT multiple times to try to please the masses. The test is now so watered down, it is approaching uselessness
@James-up7wn I think you missed disabilities but as you said anything but white men. Beyond the employment equity act a good and easy read is a National Post article " Freelands' Budget is Woke by Stealth" draws a clear picture of all the measures and money these Liberals spend to divide Canadians. Individuality is the kryptonite of woke.
@James-up7wn anti white male racism is not only morally indefensible there is no scientific evidence that it does any good. It’s pure racism as well as sexism.
@James-up7wn I have also witnessed the opposite more frequently. White men being in professional positions without any qualifications nor the brain power...they just belong to the may
20:33 as an agnostic middle eastern, when i went to the university in russia. I actually quit the university i am in because of the "roommates" problem. I was not allowed to rent privately and by university law"as they said but i am sure it was their rules only, not law" i have to be in the dorms, can't rent privately outside. And in the dorms they chose your roommate based on your back ground. The closest they got to a "middle eastern was what all my roommates were, muslims "pakistanis or afghan" and i've lived my entire life with westerners. I could not live with my roommates, they had no consideration for anything i ever did or need, they literally would turn on the "holy reading" on high volume at times preventing my sleep, at other times they would nagg me about how " i should be praying ss my parents are muslims" when they knew very well i am agnostic. Other times they would be fucking girls all night on the bed and i'd go to classes next day with zero sleep. there was that one time even when thr guy decided to go out on the balcony in a minus 17 winter while i am sleeping and i eoke up with all my back muscles stiff to the point where i spent 1 week in bed. No matter what i did, they kept putting me with those types of ppl until i made a big mess in the management department tellig them "can you stop fking putting me with people based on fking race? I am not here to talk about god or religion or bCk ground i am here to study" It was useless, and eventually i learned that russian students as well, refuse to live with non russians most of the times too. You can't study without sleep, with noises, illnesses , stress...... and it gets worse when yiu see the russian students having a good time and a healthy study envirnement while you have to struggle. I knew it was doomed and i just quit but was never able to find an alternwtive
Thank you for sharing your experience. I think that being ignored based on race alone is a very bad idea. Why can't we just pay attention to what the individual is saying?
Canadian Medical Schools have had affirmative action for years. Special spots for Indigenous students, they only have to meet minimal criteria and did not have to compete with other applicants. They recently included black applicants into special groups that in their view needed more representation rather than taking the most qualified candidate regardless of race.
Dr P. Why I like your approach is that at least you poke fun at individuals with advanced degrees that are "hyper selective" Have had contact with people that are "hyper selective". Year, your smart in your discipline, but I found more ego in these individuals. Common sense seems to be lacking in this group. Keep up the good work.
Love both of you. I have family members who believe that fair = equal and have had to fight the battle all of my adult life. It is an unhealthy approach for all involved.
The idea of using econometric modelling to reverse engineer the admissions process is something that needs to be applied in many other areas where too much secrecy leads to corruption and lack of trust. I hope in the future judges are forced to demonstrate why they gave a sentence, force youtube to explain why they took down a video, force politicians to explain how they made millions trading. And so on. Technology makes this possible.
Unbeknownst to those who see this as some sort of accountability must know that plausible denial is the first step to undermine those who seek to restore justice. It's imperative that we continue seeking the same mindset to keep from vacating the positions the liberalism institutions attempt to maintain to sow discord to the masses on moral reasoning. I mean we seriously been asleep at the wheel, placating to the same people who hold a destructive mentality of collectivism and totalitarianism.
Roland Fryer would be a fantastic guest. His story, education views, police brutality research, and a miriad of other topics would make for a great discussion with Dr Peterson. Dr Fryer needs to be a far more prominent voice in our country.
I taught college for 7 years in two nursing programs. The Bachelors program had affirmative action students. And the university spent a year giving remedial classes in math and English, ecy. to get them ready for take college level classes. These girls were not stupid but undereducated. Nursing school generally accept everyone and let the program eliminate the weak ones. Nursing schools are run by women, in general and male students have a much more difficult time getting through the programs. But the ones that make it and move into the Hospital setting, advance through to management fairly quickly. Hospitals are corporations and generally run by men. The rules are different. Part of that is that young women are dealing with small children and running a household, even when they are married. While men often have a help mate to deal with home life. I am not being sexist, but stating a fact.
Universities look at students the way social media looks at users. The customers for social media are the purchasers of user data and the advertisers. For universities, the customers are the government (the provider of big research grants and guarantor of student loans), the alumni donors who fund endowments, and big businesses that fund research. Students are to universities what data are to social media. As always when dealing with human institutions, follow the money.
Not going to lie. If admissions was traditionally test based, I wouldn't have been able to attend. I went out on a limb and entered a tech discipline with zero prior experience and my highschool/ associate grades hanging by a thread. I found out I was actually, super smart!😅 I became obsessed with learning more. Programming, scripting, modeling, designing. I learned anything I could get my hands on... So: I was likely, only admitted due to being a female boost to tech fields. It's really tough because I disagree with using race/gender as a selection parameter, knowing that's why I got in.. My life totally changed positively for it. It's a circle hard to square.
In 2023 we have the ability to provide so much of the initial academic process for very little cost. Having a selection of a few first year courses offered online for free would be phenomenal way to find those "hidden gem" individuals while weeding out those who will not be able to succeed in a particular field of study. If an individual was able to take 3-6 months of life and demonstrate exceptional prowess and understanding in those courses they could be then mixed into the pool of applicants for admissions and scholarships, regardless of their previous academic success. Much more realistic than a few standardized general test scores.
@@babyamyxo-o6c unfortunately there's lots of great ideas out there, getting the institution's to adapt and modernize is the hard part. I'm privileged to at least be engaging with a few to bring different ideas forward.
@@kevintaylor5017 I'm pursuing it myself.💜I didn't quite think of it as measure of excellence for myself but I think you have point. Some of my peers demand Affirmative Action for their color or test prep being too costly and what not but there are so many free resources they refuse to make use of. 😕 It makes sense to give a chance to a student showing exceptional passion, dedication and prowess at an university's course on their own regardless of their past. It's like giving a second chance at life to those who have proven themselves and trying to turn a new leaf. Honestly, I feel it's better than having preconceived prejudices and creative personal essays that fit that narrative. I know many my age simply write how they're a victim, especially racially, so their feigned vulnerability can get them in. It's kinda manipulative and rubs me the wrong way tbh😭
I'm pursuing it myself.💜I didn't quite think of it as measure of excellence for myself but I think you have point. Some of my peers demand AA for their color or test prep being too costly and what not but there are so many free resources they refuse to make use of. 😕 It makes sense to give a chance to a student showing exceptional passion, dedication and prowess at an university's course on their own regardless of their past. It's like giving a second chance at life to those who have proven themselves and trying to turn a new leaf. Honestly, I feel it's better than having preconceived prejudices and creative personal essays that fit that narrative. I know many my age simply write how they're a victim, especially racially, so their feigned vulnerability can get them in. It's kinda manipulative and rubs me the wrong way tbh😭
Sir I'm always a big follower of yours , I just want to know ur views and opinions on the resend conflict between the Canadian & Indian government. ThankYou. Love from NE INDIA 🎉✌️
I'm finding myself feeling real warmth for this economist. He does not seem to have any inclination to tell politically motivated lies. It's disconcerting, actually. I don't have to correct for what I'm hearing. I may not agree with him, but it would be an objective, intellectual disagreement. It would be such fun to talk to him and do that.
On the publication of irreproducible data: investigative paths that lead to dead ends should be just as valued as those that lead to novel positive assertions. The fact of a dead end is successful in that it adds to the compendium of data, closing a path which prevents further fruitless studies. Demanding positive results encourages precisely the behavior we detest (see also recent data and conclusion calamities), and also deprive researchers more broadly by forcing them over and over to re-tread the same failed grounds.
I have said time and again that Lotteries should be an element in the admissions process. Provided applicants meet a minimum threshold, their name should be drawn at random for their admission. If these institutions truly wanted equitable outcomes without actually factoring race, this would be the closest method. (PS. I've actually written editorial letters with this suggestion and they were never published. I'm actually happy that you made this suggestion yourself. I don't know anyone else who has).
I have wondered why some sort of a two step process could not be implemented. 1. Verify a(the) applicant has actually attained admissions criteria. 2. Assemble all of the materials and assign it a unique number after it has been stripped of ALL name, address, gender, race, socio- economic information and ANY OTHER identifying information that could subsequently be litigated and submit these (in the blind) to admissions selection personnel for approval. This may require naming of High Schools and so forth to be anonymized (word?) as well. Maybe a lottery could then be a third step when applicants outnumber the open slots as step 3?
Thank you gentlemen for this interesting and important conversation. At about 1:05:00 I would say, that our younger generation lack respect and gratitude towards their parents and elders, a role model and mentor, patience, endurance and perseverance and a lack of motivation and we parents use liberalism as an excuse for our moral superiority and to hide our selfishness and ignorance. We are time poor, not restrictive and pugnitive enough and believe our children are able to distinguish what is beneficial for them and what is not. It appears to me as well that the entire education and entertainment system has conspired against parents, authority, morality and excellence. People need to understand and accept diversity/individuality as in relation to their cognitive ability, concientiousness and all their traits they are born with. The question seems to be more about how to prevent envy and promote logic/common sense? Ultimately that takes me back to the invention of democracy, or democratic systems. It is the one of eliviating the disadvantaged of any sort. Could it be that humans are the only species that promote unhealthy of any sort and therefore violate nature fundamentally? What does that mean for humanity in the long run? Are the weak lucky to be close to the era of AI, where humans can be implanted, or draw from the knowledge of the world? But what about the action such a human will take? Can that be influenced by AI as well, or will the lingering, underlying born with nature of that specific individual determine their use of it, despite the level playing field they started from? I really think this whole conversation needs to consider the exponential and unlimited access to knowledge, powered by AI, for any future predictions or actions.
UNC Chapel Hill response to the supreme court verdict was very good, only ~5 days after decision UNC made tuition free for people with family income below $80k! This is true dedication to diversity.
I think these people aren't acknowledging how ACT scores can be super correlated with class. What if you're a smart kid that went to a poor school and your ACT score is low because your teachers sucked and your parents didn't know how to step in and help you. At 16, you're only so liable for some of these factors, especially if you had a rough home life. Merit tests aren't perfect and the primary school system still screws many less fortunate people over. The problem is much more deep
Love these long conversations, keep it up! One note to the Daily Wire camera crew: guys. Stop following Jordan's movement. Just find a wider angel, put the record to 4k and let the editor do the work and crop the picture on post. Really quality work but this always gets my attention. Cheers from Hungary.
I'd argue when it comes to women there are many differences and things to discuss. One fast known example would be things like merits you give the female sex based on periods and pregnancy. I know this is not " the same thing" but my point is, sex is not the sams thing as race in this context. That said i still think we are far behind on sex issues. It's like WE ALL KNOW what are the biological draw backs fkr men and women and yet we help women deal with their issues and not men. Since we mentioned 2 for women, we can give example for 1 for men. Which ud dominance and violence which is shien to be a biological train for MALES in almost most of the animal kingdom. And instead of fixing it, we punish for it and consider the punishment as the final solution.
I definitely agree that people should study where they can handle the pressure, not where they will crack under it. Could you smart guys please start lobbying the same approach to public schools from elementary to high? My kid will finish elementary this year and I can tell you he had times when he was both bored out of his mind and was severely struggling with the curriculum. Many strong kids that can’t afford private schools, don’t quite cut it for the gifted and talented programs, but clearly outperform their classmates, aren’t being schooled to their full potential in merit-blind classrooms. Also, weaker students who can’t keep up with the curriculum tend to despair, lose interest, and start misbehaving. I would vote for having different level classrooms even if my kid fell into the lower one. At least that would mean that he could finally keep up and retain the knowledge instead of constantly trying to catch up. We’re all equal in rights and freedoms in this country, but we aren’t born equally gifted mentally or physically, that’s a fact. So why are we still trying to pull that square through a round hole if that doesn’t work? Please, address the issue! And thank you for this video!
Sounds like you'd prefer something more skills-based rather than class (block) oriented. Homeschool tends to allow for that, more, though it's difficult to do in any family.
@@Stevarooni probably, but why not try to implement that in grade school? Just had another conversation about this. I know that splitting classes into levels by abilities was given up upon sometime in the 80s for the reason that supposedly kids from lower track permanently lost ability to switch tracks. So, why don’t we split not the classes, but the material? For example, do an initial testing to determine each kids abilities/track, give a lesson to everyone as usual, but provide kids with different material according to their track. For example, lower track are supposed to finish exercises from 1-5, middle track from 1-8, and highest track from 1-10 with exercises gradually increasing in complexity. Leave the material of higher levels accessible for the lower levels if they wish to challenge themselves but grade according to track. Retest each grading period to see who’s doing better or worse to switch tracks for them. And of course we need to stop telling kids that they can achieve anything, they can only do their best within the abilities that they have (doing best includes challenging and improving upon themselves). Like Jordan said, nothing wrong with going to weaker school where you would excel rather than going to stronger school which would crush you and waste your time. People from lower tracks will be able to get education from colleges and lower grade universities and still get jobs. I’ve yet to see a C-D average student becoming a super engineer or a surgeon, but they may become an excellent plumber which is a very respectable profession.
@@elenaermolaeva5001 There is a sort of knowledge standard that comes with a high school education and everyone needs to meet those standards in order to graduate. University is the realm you seek, but I agree, it would be nice if we could start the process of specialization in high school, except that teens aren't exactly known for their expertise, but we should almost force teens to go to university for a couple years because a lot of them just graduate and start looking for a job instead of a career. Also, I think there are plenty of C-D students who become super engineers or surgeons. One report card does not define a student and I'm pretty sure Einstein famously failed math in grade school because he found it boring?
@@elenaermolaeva5001- collectivism - Marxism ! That’s what woke means and we live in 2023 and the dumbing down of American students is real. That’s how the powers that be want it!
This has been great to hear a data-driven review of the impacts and consequences of affirmative action and now the removal of it. Around 1:20:00 Jordan and Peter briefly discussed potential liability of circumventing the decision. It's interesting because the protection as public employees that many faculty of public universities are afforded is that they typically cannot get sued individually. However, this issue is an exception since it relates to a constitutional rights - thus if someone believes they have been discriminated against because of a de facto affirmative action admissions policy regardless of what is may or may not be called, the individual faculty may be personally sued over it. The Attorney General of Ohio sent all public universities in Ohio a memo stating as much and warned them not to use subterfuge to achieve one's own agenda. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Affirmative action has negatively affected a lot of youth lives, maybe the course of their lives is impacted by these actions and the impacts on the public later.
Affirmative action has nothing on ESG. If people realized how tight of a grip ESG has on companies and what it actually does to dictate hiring practices their jaws would drop.
I believe the University of Tennessee in Knoxville possibly throughout the entire UT system has an exceptionally good system to match roommates by personality and study type. My daughter was matched perfectly.
Hello Peterson! I was thinking about your court case with the university, and about when I was in school they had me sign an agreement on which classes and requirements I needed to accomplish. They had me sign this agreement, so when they updated the requirements they couldn't keep me in school indefinitely. I don't know how the Canadian system works as far as Preventing abuse, but there must be something similar that you signed when you declared your major. In other words, they are tolaly violating the contract you both agreed to years ago.
Unfortunately they still have Affirmative Action in the workplace. I had an interview where they mentioned it and I immediately felt discouraged that I was already counted out because I’m white.
Pseudo R^2 apply to linear regression models. However, those where the dependent and independent variables are linked, or transformed, using a function (eg, log or log odds, etc). However, the fact remains that pseudo R^2 are not highly predictive of unexplained model variance, as is the case with OG R^2 (which only applies to ordinary least squares - ie, linear regression where there is no transformation between dependent and independent variables).
We (USA) have an obsession with higher education. You can be so successful and have such a quality of life in a given "trade" with an equivalent income. Affirmative action has crept into trades as well but it's harder to succeed because if your pipes leak or your power line falls over you're out of a job.
Good evening all Ghostbusters listening to you both left me dumbfounded! My daughter gets to drive me around on my social media without me not yet being aware of it, which puts me at an edge. For example when intelligence becomes stupidity, she is suddenly my mistress my boss my god and even my keyboard. Evil type of AI. That she (he) will not let me go. As this darkness of evil befalls me when I realise it's only about my evil dominant daughter and NOT anything about her learning. It is about her madness that I let her go to hell as that is what she wanted. Because I have a strong urge to live and not to die.
1:04:35 on the flip side of schools naturally segregating and Asians dominating the elite, Ivy League schools, at least there would be a chance a majority black school would be naturally selected. It might not be as premier as places nowadays make themselves out to be (talking to you NC A&T), but like the podcast is trying to make a case for, if the uni is more honest, the students there don’t feel compelled to be something they aren’t. So many minority students at HBCUs are pressured to be greater than they are, mainly failing in the process, because they feel like their school is an elite school because the school’s reputation as elite grows in the local area because it is poor and their bar for success is low, growing comparable to an Ivy League school. With this reputation as elite established in the mind of minorities, HBCUs trick people into enrolling, getting more money, and decorate the schools with fancy parking decks, technology, and Bioengineering programs, even though the infrastructure around the parking deck makes it impossible to navigate to or from it, nobody, students or teachers alike, besides the one God-tier IT guy, knows how to operate the technology, and the programs’ catalogs offer only a fraction of the classes they showcase before enrollment because in reality they don’t have the faculty to teach them. So the school can’t teach the students worth a damn because they’re in over their heads, and both the faculty and students blame the students and either let them pass with compassion or fail them with ignorance or resentment. Funny, the only teacher I had in that program that didn’t play any games was the Asian one. Unsurprisingly, his class was the hardest in the whole university.
This idea was particularly interesting: How do we create the future leaders of society? The premise was a focus on measuring for desired outcomes and that merit is the relationship between a given set of traits and the desired outcomes. A set of traits was described: 1) Highly intelligent → speed of learning (ability to figure out how to do things); Conscientiousness → do what they say they will do (ability to stick to the task until completion); Somewhat extroverted (ability to communicate with people enthusiastically). At this point, we might have something like a Michael Jordan who has the traits we’re looking for or a Mohamad Ali. They can get the job done. In sports and medicine, we’re talking about degrees of horseshoes and hand grenades. Did you drop the rock in the basket or not? Is it a kill or can they be bandaged and sent back out? I realize the conversation was about getting kids into school, affirmative action, and acceptance criteria. Some people think that a university should admit students that are more likely to become billionaires based on legacy while others might believe billionaires are created by simply objectively absorbing the most cognitively evolved specimens. The issue that I’m looking at is a little different from which silicone to plug into my Mac because in politics and in business we have platforms, agendas, and ethics. Hardware ain't the same as software. Exhibit A - What is the condition of society? (assuming that we’re promoting democracy) Exhibit B - What is the vision of the puppet masters? (assuming secret or not-so-secret societies are in control) What do I need to do and know to be able to have fun running around the halls of Ottawa? Economics example - I’ve been listening to 10 different economists consistently for 5 years. After 5 years, I’ve noticed that they have consistently promoted 10 different opinions about the same issues. I’ve tracked their divergent opinions over the last 5 years. Half of them have been right at some point in time but never at the same time and the other 5 have always been wrong and tell me “Gold is going to the moon … just you wait and see!” Like as if I didn’t know that holding the winning hand is what makes you win … but realizing that the game goes on. It’s not a single-handed game. Imagine that they all have around the same level of IQ. So how do we know who is going to make the right decision at the right time? How do we shape policies around such an opaque science? Can I ask two questions? To what degree should we measure merit in relation to the specific type of societal function for which the subject will serve → for example surgical ability? If you’re looking for leaders and you’ve created a fertile ground for people that can figure things out, stick to a task, and communicate enthusiastically, how do we know what these leaders are going to promote? Remember, the issue is that we have certain types of jobs where you need someone that can produce a certain outcome and where there is only one or a limited number of right answers. Moving forward - What happens when we’re looking for people that are able to understand a wide variety of highly debatable topics, where a large number of experts have to be relied upon and where overarching policies have to be created and implemented in an environment which is highly competitive and highly combative. As you move up the hierarchies, then you see the next group of mountains beyond. There are a number and eventually a limited number of mountain peaks that stand on a foundation of multiple other dominance hierarchies. At some point, you have a series of peaks that are not obviously connected but for the fact that they exist within the wide structure of society. These peaks differ from peaks that require people proficient in achieving the one or limited number of right answers but require ‘big g’ general cognitive ability within a domain where there may be limited absolutes and mostly trade offs? (remember the Simpsons episode - “I’ll trade you this delicious doorstop for that crummy old pastry.” - Bart) Take me to your leader - Now that everybody believes the aliens are coming (or at least an asteroid or a dirty bomb), what are we going to get out of Pierre Poilievre? Pierre Poilievre has made his million dollar net worth after establishing (in 2003), a polling company called 3D Contact Inc. And what does that mean? On the one hand, it helps him understand what it means to lead a democracy. You have to understand what people are thinking and then create marketing messages that echo the common voice. Then there is the other side of the coin, where the leader has to understand how all of the wide variety of topics combine in order to lead a country and especially in an environment where certain people and organizations that have accumulated a large amount of power may have a stronger voice in the halls of legislation based on the amount of fuel that they can feed into the lobbyists. This creates an environment where the politicians are likely incentivised to understand what needs to be said to tilt popular opinion in a way which might lead people to agree with laws that favor the lobbyists. Unraveling that rope puts some degree of separation between what it takes to get a leader into and through university and what it takes to create a leader that leads. And it certainly doesn’t answer the question of where the hell she, he, they or it is leading us.
Great leaders require better followers. The plurality of our ideas is the fertile ground where we sow the seeds of dissatisfaction, which inspires progress. Is argument a disagreement or is it proof? Is discipline a branch of knowledge or is it punishment. Does your journey require a destination? Create your plan then execute the plan with excellence. The result depends upon a judgement which is yet to be decided. Keep up your good work.
How far are we going to get without a definition of ‘better’? My whole point was about how to define a destination. a) plurality of ideas leading to progress b) argument c) discipline d) journey e) plan f) future judgement I remember attending a conference where people on our campus were trying to come up with a new slogan to create marketing messages for a popular beverage. I came up with the idea ~ ‘do something’ My slogan didn’t win. I’m not sure ~ ‘do what it is right’ or ‘be better’ ~ would have gained any more traction. More specifically, my main point was regarding how to define a knowledge base required to compete in the political arena. And then what it will take to get ‘better’ outcomes out of the country. Thus, again, the need to define both subject matter and content. With religion, it’s easy. We have lots of codes of conduct. Our prophets tend to want a certain set of behaviours and go so far as to drag the finger of God through stone tablets. Look what we’re getting out of politicians. What of their laws? I agree that our leaders represent the people and the people seem to be in decline. That has been the majority of government throughout history. What’s that slogan that turns the followers around? Yes, my journey requires a destination. It also requires a vehicle and services along the way. Conservatism requires more than “Why is the government funding all these programs that I don’t agree with?” and Liberalism requires more than throwing money at every cause. As any parent knows, you’re not going to get better children solely on the merits of fiscal policy.
There was an interesting discussion regarding Prince George sitting for his exams to prepare, eventually for Eton. One of the commentators stated that, regardless of exam results, no college would turn away the future king and that Harry was admitted with poor test results and it really did him no favor, as he barely finished.
In a world wide economy affirmative action places the USA at a competitive disadvantage. We were once at the top in education because it was merit based. Additionally a hundred years of IQ data demonstrates that Asians (105 average) have the highest IQ followed closely by Europeans (100), with then significant gaps to Hispanics (89) then African (85). If we continue to use anything other than merit the country will continue its decline.
Dr Peterson you might enjoy talking with Prof. Mattias Desmet on evidence free social science publications (especially in psychology), it would be a direct opposite to the research discussed here. His ideas on mass formation psychosis in totalitarianism are very interesting too. I love to hear you dig deep on that one
Why the US us still using Names and Race on all University Entries rather than an Index Number. This is insane. In the UK I sat the UK CPA Exams using numbers and results based on merit. In many UK Unis still use Names and degree awards were discriminatory. Testing is testing. So change the systme and this problem will go away. Take a GMAT and you use a number.
We need to raise our kids at home and. It use institutions daycare as our child rearing default. As a teacher (retired) you can tell very quickly which students are day care kids. I read to my kids 6 books a day to each of my kids. By 3rd grade both were reading at middle school or high school comprehension. Reading is school success.
I listened to the scotus oral arguments and knew this case was screwed when they couldn’t define an endpoint… if 13% of the population was represented at 40+% of admissions and that “wasn’t equity” yet… yeah… that’s a tough sell.
Mr. Peterson, if you read this....just know I'm grateful for your existence and thank God for it.
Hallelujah 🎉!
Me as well. You Dr. Peterson has helped me so sooo much.
JORDAN-YOU ROCK BIG BOY
Ditto
@deletereddit1102he does respond sometimes
I’m black and I’m glad to see affirmative action go. That said, the reason affirmative action was created was because of favoritism. Which they are starting to touch on in “legacy” based admission and “children of donors and faculty/staff”. That needs to be eradicated too.
Agree!
At least you bennifeted before it ended...
@@jeffdo9195how would you fking know he did ? 😂this shows the kind of mentality people like you have. You look at who gained something not who lost something.....
Actually athletics is 16% of preferential admissions.
AA created because of "favoritism"?!? It was, generally, initiated because minorities ( particularly blacks), fail disproportionately more than whites.
I was reminded of something that happened in Mexico when I was living there. A very good friend of mine had been brought up illiterate, had managed to teach herself to read and write, She very badly wanted her children to be educated. So she bought her son an encyclopedia. One day she called me and said could you come and teach my boy how to use the encyclopedia that I bought him? She could not. I felt very flattered that I was asked and I went over and I taught him. A few years ago I visited them; he's now in his 30s and he's an architect.
Hello Gina, how are you doing?
I also have known people without education that have made millions with Rap songs. Or likewise made it against all odds, I think rich kids lose out on chance, a strange viewpoint I know, talent can not be squashed forever into an educational pigeonhole.
@@mfasnoza1778 An architect MUST have a formal education, and a quite broad one: some engineering, applied mathematics, applied material science, and a lot of art and art history. That's why the example was so on point.
Affirmative action has been the thorn on the side of Canadian employers for a very long time. Never mind merit and individual ability if you're not the right skin colour and ethnicity.
It's called employment equity in Canada but it's the same thing.
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Though I realize they were talking about university admissions and the like, I needed to bring up what Canadians have had to put up with on the employment front for a very, very long time.
Well said Mel!
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Thank you, Chris Troy!
Yeah not just Canadian employers.
I wish they would've ended this sooner, it was very demoralizing as a younger man knowing that the first reason I was considered for my university of choice was because of my race and not my merit, I steered clear of state University's because of this. Community college treated me like an individual, now I'm better off financially for it so affirmative action helped me dodge a bullet in a way.
It's a shame, but it means that in time you will be judged for your character rather than an assumed affirmative action enrollment. Sooner would be better, but ever is a welcome miracle.
You couldn't get an admission of "affirmative action" at all until just a couple of years ago. Obama claimed very loudly that it did not exist, as have all other leftists.
I have to think that affirmative action contributes to imposter syndrome. I could see that being a source of self doubt especially because high achievers often struggle with those feelings anyway.
It isn't obvious to me that community college served you particularly well. For example, there is a difference between the singular possessive "university's" and the pleural "universities".
@@shaunspadafora7943 "For example" implies other grammar errors to cite.
This was an outstanding discussion between Dr Peterson and Dr Arcidiacono. I'm in the UK and had not fully understood what has been going on in the world of university admissions policies in the USA. Well done to Dr Arcidiacono for working so hard on this and obtaining the important Supreme Court ruling. In the UK, the universities are certainly going all out to pull in more students from certain groups. Our admissions procedure used to be based around an interview, after which an offer would be made to the student based upon them then obtaining certain grades in their A Level exams, the ones we take at the age of 18 in the UK. SATs scores were not used in my day. The group which has been performing the worst academically for some time in the UK now is white working class males, few people seem to care about them. Thanks for this illuminating discussion.
I’d love to see Thomas Sowell on Jordan’s podcast
Black Rednecks and White Liberals…absolutely eye opening work.
Yeah for real! Where has Thomas sowell been in recent years anyway? Anyone know?
Just published another book: Social Justice Fallacies. Has been making the rounds. Great interview with Peter Robinson on Uncommon Knowledge. Still going strong at 93.
@@Nickpetronio Writing a new book, which is now published and available.
JP could review it with Thomas Sowell as his guest!
That would break the InterWebs.😊🕸🌐
Protect Jordan at all costs !
He’s not going anywhere ! 🥇
@quratulainllb
JP still going strong, respect!
Yes, I keep on watching for any updates on the college of psychologists...
Dr Peterson is fighting battles on so many grounds. Godspeed to him.
@@tdeo2141 don't worry, those cowards will get exactly what's coming to them when Peterson goes through their 'reeducation' and records all of it. These spineless clowns have no idea what it means to mess with a righteous man.
Love to Jordan Peterson I'm so grateful for your dedication to speak with us with virtually all the attention to detail and using resources to provide citizens with access to information for change and I appreciate everything you do for the future of our generation to come would love to interview with you personally I would be very grateful 🙏
Lol
@Christopher-qq4dl Did I ask for your opinion or comment try again
Thank you god for bringing such a humble, kind, and courageous man to help fight the darkness growing in this world 🥹
I'd trust him to clean up Wall Street.
@@l.w.paradis2108 I wouldn't trust him around my children in my presence. Peterson has no integrity and lacks the courage of his convictions. Truly pathetic and irredeemable. His one shining moment was eviscerating the hyper-aggressive, disingenuous Kathy Newman, in his unruffled, confident demeanor.
Merit only! What I like about this (though I would have lost out, and I'm not sure that would be wrong) is that you can more competently determine the rate of success by looking at merit only. I agree that it is brutal to be told "Yes, you can do this" then FAIL! Crushed me in High School. However, it helped me discover that I had a big handicap in reading. I was over 7 grades below my current grade in reading. It answered why I was almost failing one class. Once we knew the problem and addressed it, after I got special help, I leapt 7 grades UP in a year and a half with hard work. How is that a bad outcome? I'd hate to spend a ton of money on something I won't be able to use because I cannot perform adequately. Looking at it only from the student's view here.
That should have been noticed much earlier. I’m glad you got the support you needed eventually.
In the first decade of the 21st century, starting my computer science degree at my local community college, there were multiple scholarships immediately available at the college for women, black people, and various other ethnicities and even religious affiliations (such as Muslims). There were exactly ZERO for men, not even men of Southeast Asian descent (2nd generation) such as myself. It seems we were considered “honorary white men” in this regard, and thus there were no special offers for us. I specifically asked the finance office of the college, and they said it’s a Pell Grant (which was difficult to obtain for a number of reasons, especially if you were married and had either you or your spouse working even barely above poverty wages, which I was) or student loans.
If that is not minority privilege and discrimination, I don’t know what is. When one (or in my case, two) category of person isn’t given a level playing field with multiple minorities, that is NOT equality, that is disadvantage. Women (of all stripes) and certain minorities were given preferential treatment, simple as that. That’s the very essence of discrimination and prejudice.
Thankfully, I had my GI Bill money to fall back on from serving my nation in WAR! That’s how I got to go to school without crippling debt, by literally putting my life on the line for a seat at the table.
It’s a disgrace, and it’s hardly a surprise women and minorities graduate at higher rates than white (and apparently Asian) men; they’re given a helping hand right from he start just for existing. Men had to be destitute or court death for a chance to learn without crippling debt.
You will NEVER hear me defend the preferential treatment of people based on accidents of birth and upbringing.
Oh, and I was an honors student out of high school, at the absolute top of my class in highly STEM based military technical training (with a 98% grade average and multiple awards for acing most of my tests), and I graduated college with a near 4.0. GPA (it would have been 4.0, but I had to drop a couple classes do to serious illness I live with; yes, I was working a part-time job, ill, and still excelling in school with zero financial aid from the Feds or my state besides my GI benefits). None of those accolades meant bupkis for financial aid. Meritocracy was naught but a concept to be discussed in sociology class.
But I got my bloody degree, with honors, despite the damned system.
Hopefully your degree was able to do you some good after the fact unlike the case for many people.
Thank you for your service and best wishes for a bright future!
First off: thank you for your service. And second, I think that minorities often graduate at lower rates than whites and Asians because they were given a helping hand to get in, but that hand doesn't extend to actual school performance. There is a statistic relayed by Peter A. in this discussion where he cites that the drop out rate for blacks in Economics is over fifty percent, versus only eight percent for whites (6-7 times higher).
I am delighted to hear that you got your degree with honours, despite the system being rigged against you. I am really shocked at what I have learned from this important discussion between Dr Peterson and Dr Arcidiacono. Wishing you well for the future from the other side of the Atlantic.
Thanks for your service, sir. Just please, don't let resentment rest at your door. We need more men like you sir.😊
I would love ❤️ to have Jordan Peterson and Thomas Sowell discuss the *_Pareto Principle.._* what it is, the large body of empirical evidence saying it's true, and the hatred towards it by those who profess their love ❤️ of Humanity in general.. all while ignoring the individuals who encompass said groups.
Seriously, Jordan.. Thomas isn't going to be here forever!
Dr Peterson, could you speak with Dr Thomas Sowell? He has a new book out you could promote in the podcast and I think you both would have a very productive conversation in this genre. God bless, Dr. Peterson.
Yes please two of my favourites Thomas Sowell and Jordan Peterson in one conversation would blow my mind
That would be an interesting conversation. Much respect to Sowell who's still publishing at his age.
Thomas is awesome and said he was pretty much done… when on Victor Hanson
@@katadam2186the only experience better than Dr Jordan Peterson and Thomas Sowell speaking together..... would be to add in Victor Davis Hanson. ❤❤❤ They would have to speak together for three hours, and even then we would all be left wanting more 😊.
Peter, NEVER feel ANY guilt for telling the truth! You are a HERO, and you WILL get your reward for it in the next life!
Thank you for sharing this program. Having followed your personal life and struggle with 'social value' advocates, I marvel about your ability to endure and produce such impact on others in a most positive manner. Gave my grandson your book about the 12 value rules of life. Thanks for having such interesting guests on your programs.
I worked for public transit as the only white female in a driver position and was treated with race based hate for 5 years, 7 months and 24 days, at the end of which they sent me to anger management where I was diagnosed with complex ptsd FROM THAT JOB. The day they got the report that I had not anger, but "trauma ongoing job related", they sent me home for what else? Racism.
UGHhhhhh. You have my heartfelt sympathy.
Lmao reeeeeecist
That's horrible. I'm sorry about that.
In the world and in many universities, there is not only color discrimination, racial discrimination, but also religious discrimination is at a very advanced level. Islam and Muslims are excluded. Islam has been portrayed as a religion of terrorism, whereas Islam gives importance to peace, brotherhood and cooperation.❤
Happened to me as a black man working in healthcare. not the getting sent to anger management but the bullying because I’m the only one like me in my position. It was so bad when I quit 3 years ago I vowed to only work on contact not staff, because I can leave if things get bad.
Ironically, meritocracy is the ultimate equalizer. It's actually pretty funny how people accusing everyone and their mom of racism want to get rid of it, in a cartoonishly tone deaf display of racism.
Not a single evidence to any of that though.
Not cool...
bro ever spoken to someone like that? prolly not. 90% of people today just scream racism at the most ridiculous things, while then turning around and supports affirmative action which is racism.@@ryanforgo3500
I think he needs a reintroduction to basic grammar and sentence structure if he expects anyone to actually interpret his mind's puke thoughts
So racist people want to get rid of racism while being racist? Ffs!
Do you really think the system is based on meritocracy? The economist already said that his children gain their merit by virtue of their family situation. This kind of system is unjust and unjust systems do not last long.
Dear Dr. Peterson,
I'm from Hatay, a city shattered by an earthquake. I've lost over 100 loved ones, and we're struggling to cope. Your teachings have been my anchor, helping me improve my life. But now, facing this immense tragedy, I'm lost and unable to help myself or my community. I desperately need your guidance to regain clarity and function effectively.
Sincerely,
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I’m highly anticipating an interview with Thomas Sowell
This is AMAZING controversy discussion EXPLAINED in full Details to Public. Thank You!!
Greetings Dr Peterson.....you are looking well and strong inspite of.....thank you a million times for what you are doing....able to face situations with dignity and wisdom ...Jesus blesses and protects and gives you victory over the forces of darkness. Amen.
Please have a conversation with Thomas Sowell. He has been pushing back on affirmative action for decades. The two of you have many followers in common and it would be great to have the two of you come together atleast once.
SAT used to measure intelligence AND tease out abilities under the far right tail of the curve. The 99th percentile on the SAT used to be somewhere around 1360. Since then, College Board has redesigned the SAT multiple times to try to please the masses. The test is now so watered down, it is approaching uselessness
In Canada we need to end the similar program the innocuously named "employment equity" which similarly discriminates.
LOL! Equity exists no where in human relations nor in nature and never has.
@James-up7wn I think you missed disabilities but as you said anything but white men.
Beyond the employment equity act a good and easy read is a National Post article " Freelands' Budget is Woke by Stealth" draws a clear picture of all the measures and money these Liberals spend to divide Canadians.
Individuality is the kryptonite of woke.
@James-up7wn anti white male racism is not only morally indefensible there is no scientific evidence that it does any good. It’s pure racism as well as sexism.
@James-up7wn I have also witnessed the opposite more frequently. White men being in professional positions without any qualifications nor the brain power...they just belong to the may
20:33 as an agnostic middle eastern, when i went to the university in russia. I actually quit the university i am in because of the "roommates" problem. I was not allowed to rent privately and by university law"as they said but i am sure it was their rules only, not law" i have to be in the dorms, can't rent privately outside. And in the dorms they chose your roommate based on your back ground. The closest they got to a "middle eastern was what all my roommates were, muslims "pakistanis or afghan" and i've lived my entire life with westerners. I could not live with my roommates, they had no consideration for anything i ever did or need, they literally would turn on the "holy reading" on high volume at times preventing my sleep, at other times they would nagg me about how " i should be praying ss my parents are muslims" when they knew very well i am agnostic.
Other times they would be fucking girls all night on the bed and i'd go to classes next day with zero sleep. there was that one time even when thr guy decided to go out on the balcony in a minus 17 winter while i am sleeping and i eoke up with all my back muscles stiff to the point where i spent 1 week in bed.
No matter what i did, they kept putting me with those types of ppl until i made a big mess in the management department tellig them "can you stop fking putting me with people based on fking race? I am not here to talk about god or religion or bCk ground i am here to study"
It was useless, and eventually i learned that russian students as well, refuse to live with non russians most of the times too.
You can't study without sleep, with noises, illnesses , stress...... and it gets worse when yiu see the russian students having a good time and a healthy study envirnement while you have to struggle.
I knew it was doomed and i just quit but was never able to find an alternwtive
Thank you for sharing your experience. I think that being ignored based on race alone is a very bad idea. Why can't we just pay attention to what the individual is saying?
Ah, Russia is so fxked-up.
So these non sense religious guys just used girls… typical pig behavior especially because you were in the room
That's awful. So sorry you went through that.
Canadian Medical Schools have had affirmative action for years. Special spots for Indigenous students, they only have to meet minimal criteria and did not have to compete with other applicants. They recently included black applicants into special groups that in their view needed more representation rather than taking the most qualified candidate regardless of race.
after America wakes up en masse, us Canadians will follow, pretend we never felt differently, and still manage to feel superior to Americans.
Medical system in Canada is already a shit show so I can't imagine 10-20 years from now. I want my taxes back.
Dr P. Why I like your approach is that at least you poke fun at individuals with advanced degrees that are "hyper selective" Have had contact with people that are "hyper selective". Year, your smart in your discipline, but I found more ego in these individuals. Common sense seems to be lacking in this group. Keep up the good work.
Very important and interesting video. I found that I can be watched at 1.5 X without any loss of content.
1.75 even
❤ God Bless you Both.
I would love to see Thomas Sowell and Jordan Peterson interview. 👍🙏🏼❣️
Love both of you. I have family members who believe that fair = equal and have had to fight the battle all of my adult life. It is an unhealthy approach for all involved.
The idea of using econometric modelling to reverse engineer the admissions process is something that needs to be applied in many other areas where too much secrecy leads to corruption and lack of trust. I hope in the future judges are forced to demonstrate why they gave a sentence, force youtube to explain why they took down a video, force politicians to explain how they made millions trading. And so on. Technology makes this possible.
What a world that would be! Accountability!
absolutely!
100k subscribers, I hope you put the youtube award in a good place, you earned it
New book idea for Dr. Peterson "Common things You Can do to help Your Child Become Their Best Self"
Hi Glen, how are you doing?
Great conversation. Yes, do get Roland Fryer on the podcast!
I LOVE DR JORDAN PETERSON…HE IS MY HERO❤
Every day I thank the Gods for Jordan's recovery and continued work. Had he not recovered, it would have been such a tremendous loss.
Unbeknownst to those who see this as some sort of accountability must know that plausible denial is the first step to undermine those who seek to restore justice. It's imperative that we continue seeking the same mindset to keep from vacating the positions the liberalism institutions attempt to maintain to sow discord to the masses on moral reasoning. I mean we seriously been asleep at the wheel, placating to the same people who hold a destructive mentality of collectivism and totalitarianism.
Would you be willing to say this is layman’s terms please?
The emblem in the right bottom corner shows JPs real channel. Just because his picture is on the left doesnt mean its him.... He is fab...❤
Hello Elizabeth, how are you doing?
Roland Fryer would be a fantastic guest. His story, education views, police brutality research, and a miriad of other topics would make for a great discussion with Dr Peterson. Dr Fryer needs to be a far more prominent voice in our country.
Hi Jordan, I can understand why you said some of the things you said... I can't understand why so many truths were left unsaid.
Hi Virginia, how are you doing?
Thank you for that comment!
I taught college for 7 years in two nursing programs. The Bachelors program had affirmative action students. And the university spent a year giving remedial classes in math and English, ecy. to get them ready for take college level classes. These girls were not stupid but undereducated. Nursing school generally accept everyone and let the program eliminate the weak ones. Nursing schools are run by women, in general and male students have a much more difficult time getting through the programs. But the ones that make it and move into the Hospital setting, advance through to management fairly quickly. Hospitals are corporations and generally run by men. The rules are different.
Part of that is that young women are dealing with small children and running a household, even when they are married. While men often have a help mate to deal with home life. I am not being sexist, but stating a fact.
Hello carol, how are you doing?
Thank you for stating the obvious, with regard to many being undereducated.
Universities look at students the way social media looks at users. The customers for social media are the purchasers of user data and the advertisers. For universities, the customers are the government (the provider of big research grants and guarantor of student loans), the alumni donors who fund endowments, and big businesses that fund research. Students are to universities what data are to social media. As always when dealing with human institutions, follow the money.
Yes, the prices skyrocketed and the jackals that passed the government loans only made it worse
Thank you for another very informative talk. I'm so grateful to be able to participate simply as a viewer. 👍
Not going to lie. If admissions was traditionally test based, I wouldn't have been able to attend. I went out on a limb and entered a tech discipline with zero prior experience and my highschool/ associate grades hanging by a thread.
I found out I was actually, super smart!😅 I became obsessed with learning more. Programming, scripting, modeling, designing. I learned anything I could get my hands on...
So: I was likely, only admitted due to being a female boost to tech fields.
It's really tough because I disagree with using race/gender as a selection parameter, knowing that's why I got in.. My life totally changed positively for it. It's a circle hard to square.
Agreed. Thanks for sharing this.
A great man interviewing another great man.
In 2023 we have the ability to provide so much of the initial academic process for very little cost. Having a selection of a few first year courses offered online for free would be phenomenal way to find those "hidden gem" individuals while weeding out those who will not be able to succeed in a particular field of study. If an individual was able to take 3-6 months of life and demonstrate exceptional prowess and understanding in those courses they could be then mixed into the pool of applicants for admissions and scholarships, regardless of their previous academic success. Much more realistic than a few standardized general test scores.
Wow this is a great idea!! Thank you for sharing 💖✨
@@babyamyxo-o6c unfortunately there's lots of great ideas out there, getting the institution's to adapt and modernize is the hard part. I'm privileged to at least be engaging with a few to bring different ideas forward.
@@kevintaylor5017 I'm pursuing it myself.💜I didn't quite think of it as measure of excellence for myself but I think you have point. Some of my peers demand Affirmative Action for their color or test prep being too costly and what not but there are so many free resources they refuse to make use of. 😕
It makes sense to give a chance to a student showing exceptional passion, dedication and prowess at an university's course on their own regardless of their past. It's like giving a second chance at life to those who have proven themselves and trying to turn a new leaf. Honestly, I feel it's better than having preconceived prejudices and creative personal essays that fit that narrative. I know many my age simply write how they're a victim, especially racially, so their feigned vulnerability can get them in. It's kinda manipulative and rubs me the wrong way tbh😭
I'm pursuing it myself.💜I didn't quite think of it as measure of excellence for myself but I think you have point. Some of my peers demand AA for their color or test prep being too costly and what not but there are so many free resources they refuse to make use of. 😕
It makes sense to give a chance to a student showing exceptional passion, dedication and prowess at an university's course on their own regardless of their past. It's like giving a second chance at life to those who have proven themselves and trying to turn a new leaf. Honestly, I feel it's better than having preconceived prejudices and creative personal essays that fit that narrative. I know many my age simply write how they're a victim, especially racially, so their feigned vulnerability can get them in. It's kinda manipulative and rubs me the wrong way tbh😭
AA=Affirmative Action. Boo tube deleted my reply mentioning it in full💀
Dr. Jordan you are a added value. God bless you for what you do
Sir I'm always a big follower of yours , I just want to know ur views and opinions on the resend conflict between the Canadian & Indian government. ThankYou. Love from NE INDIA 🎉✌️
I'm finding myself feeling real warmth for this economist. He does not seem to have any inclination to tell politically motivated lies. It's disconcerting, actually. I don't have to correct for what I'm hearing.
I may not agree with him, but it would be an objective, intellectual disagreement. It would be such fun to talk to him and do that.
If you don't challenge young people, don't expect them to succeed. That was my experience. Stress creates striving.
Jesus is king
On the publication of irreproducible data: investigative paths that lead to dead ends should be just as valued as those that lead to novel positive assertions. The fact of a dead end is successful in that it adds to the compendium of data, closing a path which prevents further fruitless studies. Demanding positive results encourages precisely the behavior we detest (see also recent data and conclusion calamities), and also deprive researchers more broadly by forcing them over and over to re-tread the same failed grounds.
I have said time and again that Lotteries should be an element in the admissions process.
Provided applicants meet a minimum threshold, their name should be drawn at random for their admission.
If these institutions truly wanted equitable outcomes without actually factoring race, this would be the closest method.
(PS. I've actually written editorial letters with this suggestion and they were never published. I'm actually happy that you made this suggestion yourself. I don't know anyone else who has).
I have wondered why some sort of a two step process could not be implemented.
1. Verify a(the) applicant has actually attained admissions criteria.
2. Assemble all of the materials and assign it a unique number after it has been stripped of ALL name, address, gender, race, socio- economic information and ANY OTHER identifying information that could subsequently be litigated and submit these (in the blind) to admissions selection personnel for approval.
This may require naming of High Schools and so forth to be anonymized (word?) as well.
Maybe a lottery could then be a third step when applicants outnumber the open slots as step 3?
Thank you gentlemen for this interesting and important conversation.
At about 1:05:00 I would say, that our younger generation lack respect and gratitude towards their parents and elders, a role model and mentor, patience, endurance and perseverance and a lack of motivation and we parents use liberalism as an excuse for our moral superiority and to hide our selfishness and ignorance. We are time poor, not restrictive and pugnitive enough and believe our children are able to distinguish what is beneficial for them and what is not.
It appears to me as well that the entire education and entertainment system has conspired against parents, authority, morality and excellence.
People need to understand and accept diversity/individuality as in relation to their cognitive ability, concientiousness and all their traits they are born with. The question seems to be more about how to prevent envy and promote logic/common sense?
Ultimately that takes me back to the invention of democracy, or democratic systems. It is the one of eliviating the disadvantaged of any sort. Could it be that humans are the only species that promote unhealthy of any sort and therefore violate nature fundamentally?
What does that mean for humanity in the long run? Are the weak lucky to be close to the era of AI, where humans can be implanted, or draw from the knowledge of the world? But what about the action such a human will take? Can that be influenced by AI as well, or will the lingering, underlying born with nature of that specific individual determine their use of it, despite the level playing field they started from?
I really think this whole conversation needs to consider the exponential and unlimited access to knowledge, powered by AI, for any future predictions or actions.
We love you dr. Jordan, thank you for these videos.
UNC Chapel Hill response to the supreme court verdict was very good, only ~5 days after decision UNC made tuition free for people with family income below $80k! This is true dedication to diversity.
Give the opportunities to those who are most qualified.
Yes and when more qualified people succeed they invent things like Cat Scan machines that benefit everyone.
@@jeffspicolli593As opposed to...?
“If you don’t measure merit, you disadvantage the ones you want to help. “
Aye I’m very excited for this one!
Please Dr. Peterson, when are you interviewing Thomas Sowell
I think these people aren't acknowledging how ACT scores can be super correlated with class. What if you're a smart kid that went to a poor school and your ACT score is low because your teachers sucked and your parents didn't know how to step in and help you. At 16, you're only so liable for some of these factors, especially if you had a rough home life. Merit tests aren't perfect and the primary school system still screws many less fortunate people over. The problem is much more deep
Love these long conversations, keep it up! One note to the Daily Wire camera crew: guys. Stop following Jordan's movement. Just find a wider angel, put the record to 4k and let the editor do the work and crop the picture on post. Really quality work but this always gets my attention. Cheers from Hungary.
Yes!! Please get Roland on the podcast!!!
What about woman based merit? The def needs to go!
Affirmative action also discriminates based on sex.
I'd argue when it comes to women there are many differences and things to discuss. One fast known example would be things like merits you give the female sex based on periods and pregnancy. I know this is not " the same thing" but my point is, sex is not the sams thing as race in this context.
That said i still think we are far behind on sex issues. It's like WE ALL KNOW what are the biological draw backs fkr men and women and yet we help women deal with their issues and not men.
Since we mentioned 2 for women, we can give example for 1 for men.
Which ud dominance and violence which is shien to be a biological train for MALES in almost most of the animal kingdom.
And instead of fixing it, we punish for it and consider the punishment as the final solution.
@@ryanforgo3500 All I know is that true equality will only begin with more women in bricklaying.
Women generally score higher on tests than men do. I graduated with high honors for each of my 3 degrees. I did that! Me. Not my vagina.
@@jeffspicolli593YES !!! 😂😂😂👏👏👏👏👏👏
We love you Jordan!
Keep on going strong 🙏💪
I definitely agree that people should study where they can handle the pressure, not where they will crack under it. Could you smart guys please start lobbying the same approach to public schools from elementary to high? My kid will finish elementary this year and I can tell you he had times when he was both bored out of his mind and was severely struggling with the curriculum. Many strong kids that can’t afford private schools, don’t quite cut it for the gifted and talented programs, but clearly outperform their classmates, aren’t being schooled to their full potential in merit-blind classrooms. Also, weaker students who can’t keep up with the curriculum tend to despair, lose interest, and start misbehaving. I would vote for having different level classrooms even if my kid fell into the lower one. At least that would mean that he could finally keep up and retain the knowledge instead of constantly trying to catch up. We’re all equal in rights and freedoms in this country, but we aren’t born equally gifted mentally or physically, that’s a fact. So why are we still trying to pull that square through a round hole if that doesn’t work? Please, address the issue! And thank you for this video!
Sounds like you'd prefer something more skills-based rather than class (block) oriented. Homeschool tends to allow for that, more, though it's difficult to do in any family.
@@Stevarooni probably, but why not try to implement that in grade school? Just had another conversation about this. I know that splitting classes into levels by abilities was given up upon sometime in the 80s for the reason that supposedly kids from lower track permanently lost ability to switch tracks. So, why don’t we split not the classes, but the material? For example, do an initial testing to determine each kids abilities/track, give a lesson to everyone as usual, but provide kids with different material according to their track. For example, lower track are supposed to finish exercises from 1-5, middle track from 1-8, and highest track from 1-10 with exercises gradually increasing in complexity. Leave the material of higher levels accessible for the lower levels if they wish to challenge themselves but grade according to track. Retest each grading period to see who’s doing better or worse to switch tracks for them. And of course we need to stop telling kids that they can achieve anything, they can only do their best within the abilities that they have (doing best includes challenging and improving upon themselves). Like Jordan said, nothing wrong with going to weaker school where you would excel rather than going to stronger school which would crush you and waste your time. People from lower tracks will be able to get education from colleges and lower grade universities and still get jobs. I’ve yet to see a C-D average student becoming a super engineer or a surgeon, but they may become an excellent plumber which is a very respectable profession.
@@elenaermolaeva5001 There is a sort of knowledge standard that comes with a high school education and everyone needs to meet those standards in order to graduate. University is the realm you seek, but I agree, it would be nice if we could start the process of specialization in high school, except that teens aren't exactly known for their expertise, but we should almost force teens to go to university for a couple years because a lot of them just graduate and start looking for a job instead of a career.
Also, I think there are plenty of C-D students who become super engineers or surgeons. One report card does not define a student and I'm pretty sure Einstein famously failed math in grade school because he found it boring?
@@elenaermolaeva5001- collectivism - Marxism ! That’s what woke means and we live in 2023 and the dumbing down of American students is real. That’s how the powers that be want it!
Thanks for your words of encouragement
This has been great to hear a data-driven review of the impacts and consequences of affirmative action and now the removal of it. Around 1:20:00 Jordan and Peter briefly discussed potential liability of circumventing the decision. It's interesting because the protection as public employees that many faculty of public universities are afforded is that they typically cannot get sued individually. However, this issue is an exception since it relates to a constitutional rights - thus if someone believes they have been discriminated against because of a de facto affirmative action admissions policy regardless of what is may or may not be called, the individual faculty may be personally sued over it. The Attorney General of Ohio sent all public universities in Ohio a memo stating as much and warned them not to use subterfuge to achieve one's own agenda. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Idealism is bizzare, however, I understand how it provides comfort and control over one's life.
Thanks Everyone; Amazing*
Affirmative action has negatively affected a lot of youth lives, maybe the course of their lives is impacted by these actions and the impacts on the public later.
The older I get the more I realize VERY little is based on merit. It's all about who you know!
Affirmative action has nothing on ESG. If people realized how tight of a grip ESG has on companies and what it actually does to dictate hiring practices their jaws would drop.
Politicians married corporations
Dr. Peterson, please invite Thomas Sowell to your podcast. 😊
I believe the University of Tennessee in Knoxville possibly throughout the entire UT system has an exceptionally good system to match roommates by personality and study type. My daughter was matched perfectly.
MY IQ goes up so many points after watching Jordan B Peterson
Brilliant , thanks Dr Peterson
Hello Peterson!
I was thinking about your court case with the university, and about when I was in school they had me sign an agreement on which classes and requirements I needed to accomplish.
They had me sign this agreement, so when they updated the requirements they couldn't keep me in school indefinitely.
I don't know how the Canadian system works as far as Preventing abuse, but there must be something similar that you signed when you declared your major.
In other words, they are tolaly violating the contract you both agreed to years ago.
Hello Julie, how are you doing?
@@Fredjohnson2920 I'm fine, thank you.
@@juliebrown1394 you are welcome
@@juliebrown1394 it's nice meeting you here, I'm fred from Scotland and you?
@@Fredjohnson2920 do you play the bagpipes? 😁
Unfortunately they still have Affirmative Action in the workplace. I had an interview where they mentioned it and I immediately felt discouraged that I was already counted out because I’m white.
Bullchit!! You r just crying because you can’t compete!!
No they don't. That's gone too
Pseudo R^2 apply to linear regression models. However, those where the dependent and independent variables are linked, or transformed, using a function (eg, log or log odds, etc). However, the fact remains that pseudo R^2 are not highly predictive of unexplained model variance, as is the case with OG R^2 (which only applies to ordinary least squares - ie, linear regression where there is no transformation between dependent and independent variables).
Glad u put that last part in parentheses. First read through, I was all…
wuuut
We (USA) have an obsession with higher education. You can be so successful and have such a quality of life in a given "trade" with an equivalent income.
Affirmative action has crept into trades as well but it's harder to succeed because if your pipes leak or your power line falls over you're out of a job.
Eckhart Tolle has a great philosophy on forgiveness. You need to read the entire book but you'll get there. :)
Good evening all Ghostbusters listening to you both left me dumbfounded! My daughter gets to drive me around on my social media without me not yet being aware of it, which puts me at an edge.
For example when intelligence becomes stupidity, she is suddenly my mistress my boss my god and even my keyboard. Evil type of AI. That she (he) will not let me go.
As this darkness of evil befalls me when I realise it's only about my evil dominant daughter and NOT anything about her learning. It is about her madness that I let her go to hell as that is what she wanted. Because I have a strong urge to live and not to die.
Great title
Now, we need to have some huge backlash campaign against Legacy admissions.
1:04:35 on the flip side of schools naturally segregating and Asians dominating the elite, Ivy League schools, at least there would be a chance a majority black school would be naturally selected. It might not be as premier as places nowadays make themselves out to be (talking to you NC A&T), but like the podcast is trying to make a case for, if the uni is more honest, the students there don’t feel compelled to be something they aren’t. So many minority students at HBCUs are pressured to be greater than they are, mainly failing in the process, because they feel like their school is an elite school because the school’s reputation as elite grows in the local area because it is poor and their bar for success is low, growing comparable to an Ivy League school. With this reputation as elite established in the mind of minorities, HBCUs trick people into enrolling, getting more money, and decorate the schools with fancy parking decks, technology, and Bioengineering programs, even though the infrastructure around the parking deck makes it impossible to navigate to or from it, nobody, students or teachers alike, besides the one God-tier IT guy, knows how to operate the technology, and the programs’ catalogs offer only a fraction of the classes they showcase before enrollment because in reality they don’t have the faculty to teach them. So the school can’t teach the students worth a damn because they’re in over their heads, and both the faculty and students blame the students and either let them pass with compassion or fail them with ignorance or resentment. Funny, the only teacher I had in that program that didn’t play any games was the Asian one. Unsurprisingly, his class was the hardest in the whole university.
This idea was particularly interesting: How do we create the future leaders of society?
The premise was a focus on measuring for desired outcomes and that merit is the relationship between a given set of traits and the desired outcomes.
A set of traits was described: 1) Highly intelligent → speed of learning (ability to figure out how to do things); Conscientiousness → do what they say they will do (ability to stick to the task until completion); Somewhat extroverted (ability to communicate with people enthusiastically).
At this point, we might have something like a Michael Jordan who has the traits we’re looking for or a Mohamad Ali. They can get the job done. In sports and medicine, we’re talking about degrees of horseshoes and hand grenades. Did you drop the rock in the basket or not? Is it a kill or can they be bandaged and sent back out?
I realize the conversation was about getting kids into school, affirmative action, and acceptance criteria. Some people think that a university should admit students that are more likely to become billionaires based on legacy while others might believe billionaires are created by simply objectively absorbing the most cognitively evolved specimens.
The issue that I’m looking at is a little different from which silicone to plug into my Mac because in politics and in business we have platforms, agendas, and ethics. Hardware ain't the same as software.
Exhibit A - What is the condition of society? (assuming that we’re promoting democracy)
Exhibit B - What is the vision of the puppet masters? (assuming secret or not-so-secret societies are in control)
What do I need to do and know to be able to have fun running around the halls of Ottawa?
Economics example - I’ve been listening to 10 different economists consistently for 5 years. After 5 years, I’ve noticed that they have consistently promoted 10 different opinions about the same issues. I’ve tracked their divergent opinions over the last 5 years. Half of them have been right at some point in time but never at the same time and the other 5 have always been wrong and tell me “Gold is going to the moon … just you wait and see!” Like as if I didn’t know that holding the winning hand is what makes you win … but realizing that the game goes on. It’s not a single-handed game.
Imagine that they all have around the same level of IQ. So how do we know who is going to make the right decision at the right time? How do we shape policies around such an opaque science?
Can I ask two questions?
To what degree should we measure merit in relation to the specific type of societal function for which the subject will serve → for example surgical ability?
If you’re looking for leaders and you’ve created a fertile ground for people that can figure things out, stick to a task, and communicate enthusiastically, how do we know what these leaders are going to promote?
Remember, the issue is that we have certain types of jobs where you need someone that can produce a certain outcome and where there is only one or a limited number of right answers.
Moving forward - What happens when we’re looking for people that are able to understand a wide variety of highly debatable topics, where a large number of experts have to be relied upon and where overarching policies have to be created and implemented in an environment which is highly competitive and highly combative.
As you move up the hierarchies, then you see the next group of mountains beyond. There are a number and eventually a limited number of mountain peaks that stand on a foundation of multiple other dominance hierarchies. At some point, you have a series of peaks that are not obviously connected but for the fact that they exist within the wide structure of society. These peaks differ from peaks that require people proficient in achieving the one or limited number of right answers but require ‘big g’ general cognitive ability within a domain where there may be limited absolutes and mostly trade offs? (remember the Simpsons episode - “I’ll trade you this delicious doorstop for that crummy old pastry.” - Bart)
Take me to your leader - Now that everybody believes the aliens are coming (or at least an asteroid or a dirty bomb), what are we going to get out of Pierre Poilievre?
Pierre Poilievre has made his million dollar net worth after establishing (in 2003), a polling company called 3D Contact Inc. And what does that mean?
On the one hand, it helps him understand what it means to lead a democracy. You have to understand what people are thinking and then create marketing messages that echo the common voice.
Then there is the other side of the coin, where the leader has to understand how all of the wide variety of topics combine in order to lead a country and especially in an environment where certain people and organizations that have accumulated a large amount of power may have a stronger voice in the halls of legislation based on the amount of fuel that they can feed into the lobbyists.
This creates an environment where the politicians are likely incentivised to understand what needs to be said to tilt popular opinion in a way which might lead people to agree with laws that favor the lobbyists.
Unraveling that rope puts some degree of separation between what it takes to get a leader into and through university and what it takes to create a leader that leads. And it certainly doesn’t answer the question of where the hell she, he, they or it is leading us.
Great leaders require better followers. The plurality of our ideas is the fertile ground where we sow the seeds of dissatisfaction, which inspires progress. Is argument a disagreement or is it proof? Is discipline a branch of knowledge or is it punishment. Does your journey require a destination? Create your plan then execute the plan with excellence. The result depends upon a judgement which is yet to be decided. Keep up your good work.
How far are we going to get without a definition of ‘better’? My whole point was about how to define a destination.
a) plurality of ideas leading to progress
b) argument
c) discipline
d) journey
e) plan
f) future judgement
I remember attending a conference where people on our campus were trying to come up with a new slogan to create marketing messages for a popular beverage. I came up with the idea ~ ‘do something’
My slogan didn’t win. I’m not sure ~ ‘do what it is right’ or ‘be better’ ~ would have gained any more traction.
More specifically, my main point was regarding how to define a knowledge base required to compete in the political arena. And then what it will take to get ‘better’ outcomes out of the country. Thus, again, the need to define both subject matter and content.
With religion, it’s easy. We have lots of codes of conduct. Our prophets tend to want a certain set of behaviours and go so far as to drag the finger of God through stone tablets. Look what we’re getting out of politicians. What of their laws? I agree that our leaders represent the people and the people seem to be in decline. That has been the majority of government throughout history.
What’s that slogan that turns the followers around? Yes, my journey requires a destination. It also requires a vehicle and services along the way. Conservatism requires more than “Why is the government funding all these programs that I don’t agree with?” and Liberalism requires more than throwing money at every cause. As any parent knows, you’re not going to get better children solely on the merits of fiscal policy.
Such a long row to hoe.@@spacebetweenideas
There was an interesting discussion regarding Prince George sitting for his exams to prepare, eventually for Eton. One of the commentators stated that, regardless of exam results, no college would turn away the future king and that Harry was admitted with poor test results and it really did him no favor, as he barely finished.
Race Hu$tling...The Gift that keeps on Giving.💥💯
God bless you
In a world wide economy affirmative action places the USA at a competitive disadvantage. We were once at the top in education because it was merit based. Additionally a hundred years of IQ data demonstrates that Asians (105 average) have the highest IQ followed closely by Europeans (100), with then significant gaps to Hispanics (89) then African (85). If we continue to use anything other than merit the country will continue its decline.
100 years of garbage in, garbage out does not make the data valid!!
Dr Peterson you might enjoy talking with Prof. Mattias Desmet on evidence free social science publications (especially in psychology), it would be a direct opposite to the research discussed here. His ideas on mass formation psychosis in totalitarianism are very interesting too. I love to hear you dig deep on that one
Why the US us still using Names and Race on all University Entries rather than an Index Number. This is insane. In the UK I sat the UK CPA Exams using numbers and results based on merit. In many UK Unis still use Names and degree awards were discriminatory. Testing is testing. So change the systme and this problem will go away. Take a GMAT and you use a number.
So we should start talking about parents toolkit like having books around
We need to raise our kids at home and. It use institutions daycare as our child rearing default. As a teacher (retired) you can tell very quickly which students are day care kids. I read to my kids 6 books a day to each of my kids. By 3rd grade both were reading at middle school or high school comprehension. Reading is school success.
This the very important and fundamental argument why so many Australians will be voting the referendum down in Australia on Oct 14.
Early voting is Oct 2
I listened to the scotus oral arguments and knew this case was screwed when they couldn’t define an endpoint… if 13% of the population was represented at 40+% of admissions and that “wasn’t equity” yet… yeah… that’s a tough sell.