Got these commentators are stupid. "Ivan is not running that fast, so decker could take the lead and push the pace if she wanted to" Ivan goes through 400m on WR pace
Well, TBF Baikauskaite was a one-season wonder. Didn't do anything before or after this race. I definitely wouldn't put her in the same league with the other 4.
You mean a drug-free GOLD... 1)Romania 2)USSR 3)USSR - "4th" as you say Chris Boxer/Cahill cheated out of gold running 4 minutes flat - a great run and it makes me sick to think of her being cheated as was Yvonne Murray in the 3000 finishing 3rd behind Samolenko and Ivan. Makes you realize how many Great British athletes there were who were robbed. IMHO they should be honoured (literally) as Olympic champions.
LOL so Romanian runners are now known drug users, what the fuck!?!? OK maybe Paula Ivan was a doper, I dont know, but the way you just listed countries makes it looks like you are implying Romania is a known doping ground in general which is ludricious.
A claim that you cannot substantiate. I suppose drugs were prevalent, but clearly accessible to Eastern Bloc, Americans, British, etc. Was Christina Boxer ever tested? Of late, Allan Wells and Paula Radcliffe have come under suspicion. I have no proof, but there are documentaries that put forth the information.
back then it was the eastern bloc countries that dominated now it's the Africans and only this past Olympic year was that 1500m Olympic record broken. Those girls from the west didn't stand a chance back in 88.
@@Hever73 no. not everybody. man where do you cooks get your info from?..is it hearsay and anecdotes extended to tar everyone?. do you know the history and evolution of testing and use of drugs for athletics?..do you know the types of drugs used and how they work and how they can be used to avoid detection?..do you know which ones can be easily detected?..do you know which can be easily detected in 1988?..
People moaning about steroids don't understand they were all on them. No random testing yet. The difference between Paula and them is efficiency. Ivan's form is absolutely perfect - no wasted movement, no imbalance, good cadence.
Totally juiced final. Romanians, Soviets, even Slaney was busted down the road. It was after these Olympics the Soviet bloc crumbled and the East German coach started working with Chinese runners and in the 90s they suddenly and suspiciously started to rewrite the record book for womens distances.
That's debatable for sure. Many questions regarding the boycotted Games in Moscow. Just as a minor example, we now definitely know that the head doping Doctor for the GDR was at least up until @ 1984, personally injecting a then undetectable metabolite of Nandrolone ester into all athletes within an hour or so before the race. The females who were victims of that have since come forward and specifically talked about the typical "warm" feeling spreading through their body in the hour after the shared needle injections. By the time 85 came around, the Nandrolone metabolite injections were detectable as the testing technology improved. But for sure no matter what Games you want to select as an example of widespread doping, it wasn't until the 76 games when the GDR was injecting pre race after a season of 4 sets of hard training with their Oral Turinabol steroid- a mandatory training pill for ALL GDR athletes in every Olympic sport except for four that they determined would not benefit the athletes in training.
you state that as if fact. and you'd be wrong too. the most heavily doped olympics occurred from 1960 through to 1976. thats a well known fact as steroids were a mainstay for most, and not officially banned or necessarily tested for. whatever testing that did arrive was weak and very limited and there was no out of comp testing at all. in 1988 testing was in full swing and caught a lot of people. But athletes were 'less doped' by being forced into drugs that were less potent but could avoid detection or be eliminated, or werent using at all. ..or only used out of comp. That being said, there was out of comp testing also in 1988.
@@timn4481 so you say the testing wasnt really there yet you claim it is the most doped olympics ever from 60-76 there is no fact in your statement unless athletes are getting caught.Way to assume
I think they were paradoxically also the most fair. After German rise of the seventies, everyone knew what it took by 1980. Each world bloc had a Games. then 88 saw everyone have a big bash up together. I love these races 😊
Evan ran a blinder that day in Seoul. Felt for Chris Cahill of GB she should have medalled. She was a very gutsy runner.Mary did well to make the final some solace after LA 84. She had a superb year in 1985.
She was about 3 years out of her prime at this point. She was injured prone. 1500 meters wasn't her cup of tea anyway. 3200 and 5K were her best races. 1984 was her best chance to win a gold.
It’s a good thing the BBC commentary was never jingoistic. Watch the 1972 Olympic women’s pentathlon won by Mary Peters. “Come on Mary, you need the run of your lifetime! Keep it going...Mary, come on, come on, you’ve got two yards to make!”
Tested positive for drugs in 1993, I'll wager any money Tetyana Dorovskikh was on them throughout her career. How unfortunate, then, for Chris Cahill (nee Boxer), who finished 4th.
Tatyana Samolenko (Dorovskikh) had a GLORIOUS AND EFFICIENT RUNNING STYLE unlike most of this field, including Christina Boxer. That comes from training and discipline, not drugs. I wonder what discoveries we'd make about the predominantly American and British Olympic track and field champions from the early 20th century? Any prohibited substances, blood doping, etcetera. Westerners and their victim complex! Meh!
@@gaelgarciabernal2434 is this THE Gael Garcia Bernal!? I only ask because as this notice just popped up on my cell phone, I am literally at this very moment in the middle of watching one of my favorite of the movies I have seen you in, The Motorcycle Diaries"!
She doesn't dissapear, she got pregnant after winning WM in '89!! And she had complications after cesarean section, that why she finish her carrier!! So shut up, she was not a drugs pump american athlete!!
Деккер заслуженно ни чего не получила за не спортивное поведение в прошлом ( уронила Зайцеву на чемпионате евр.,советы язык в жопу засунули, так всё и прошло без винно!?) так и продолжается.
Are you kidding me, the British always have the best commentary when it come to middle distance and distance events. They make it so interesting. The only American close in the last several years was Kara Gouher this past Olympics, she was pretty good. But yeah the British rule when it comes to commentary.
brilliant.......I only wish the American commentators pronounced PAULA correctly...... not PALLA.....as they keep saying. Who ever heard of Pall Newman????? It's the same name with an A at the end....
Actually DanTDM closer to pronouncing her name correctly then your interpretation or opinion of it. You have to remember first it is a different language if it's very close to the Soviet alphabet which is different from our alphabet. I will phonetically try my best to type out the letters for you to demonstrate exactly how her name is pronounced when transliterated from Romanian to English First part: Pow (as in a Pow-wow ceremony) 2nd part: la as la la Land Now we put those two together and we have a phonetically spelled first name for her accurately pronounced as Pow-la.
Melinte was always a clean athlete, my friends trained with her and he was always a classy competitor, trained hard and didnt use anything. Ivan also trained a lot of sprinting the 6 months before, even working out with the Romanian mens team, but i am thinking after getting a close up of her face, she looks manly and probably did dope.
@@rolandgreen7484 Hey Dustin, first of all Ashford was 100 percent clean. She was weird though, said stupid things sometimes, and used to make digs at Flojo when they were in conferences and interviews. But she was probably right. Flojo is a unique story though. She did something, but she had the most perfect technique of anyone in the world after 1987 season she improved a lot and did a lot of leg muscle build up . I think it may have been using other stuff like HGH and HCG which isnt a steroid necessarily. Carl was taking a load of shit, once again most probably HCG. But he was disliked because of his sexuality at the time. He made the mistake of doing Sports Illustrated interview I think in 1984 and posed for some pics of himself by the pool for the article which totally turned into a fiasco- gay rumours abounded and his marketability plummeted. He wasnt very likeable either Brisco was doped to the eyelids in 1984. The sad thing is, she was a good athlete with horrendous form and could have actually won in 1988 had she fixed her technique, she was clean in 1988 btw. Jackie Joyner probably used whatever Flojo used, but probably cycled off in time for the OLympics to not get caught. Mary Decker was clean. She was a bitch, but clean.
STILL she was a FANTASTIC RUNNER!!!!!!!! Regardless!!!!!! I wish it was 1988 again,,,,, better times than now!!!!!!!! WELL done,,,ESPECIALLY CHRIS BOXER WHO WAS THE REAL GOLD MEDALLIST!!!!!!!!! HAHAHA,,,BRILLIANT,,,,,AND THAT GOES FOR YVONNE MURRAY TOO XXXX
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Got these commentators are stupid. "Ivan is not running that fast, so decker could take the lead and push the pace if she wanted to" Ivan goes through 400m on WR pace
They could pronounce her name properly POWLA EVAAN,!!!;;!;;!;;;
Samolenko, Melinte, Ivan, Decker, Baikauskaite...Incredible field...
Well, TBF Baikauskaite was a one-season wonder. Didn't do anything before or after this race. I definitely wouldn't put her in the same league with the other 4.
@@muc390 She had other things to care about,like her countrys upcoming independence
What a Race Paula ! Ce cursa ai făcut Polino! Formidabil !
Doina Melinte... oh, memories... good old days...
What an amazing performance of Ivan. Incredible last lap. One of the greatest ever!
What a strong field. Great race, thank you for providing the video
She's still the 8th best all-time at this distance.
Record still standing after London 2012.
One of the greatest Olympic runs in history.
By a proven drug cheat
ルーマニアのポウラ．イヴァン選手ぶっちぎりの優勝🏆でしたよね。
The 8th, 28th, 36th, 49th, 110th, 136th best of all time in one race.
Whenever I see a time gap this large in an Olympic final I have one reaction: doping.
Uno de los planes de carrera mejor ejecutados en la historia del atletismo femenino.
Impressive as fuck. All alone. Risking all to win gold and free herself of Samolenko's kick. Love it
I only wonder if it was modified ..
One of the most amazing athletics performances I have witnessed. Christina Boxer deserved a drug - free bronze.
You mean a drug-free GOLD... 1)Romania 2)USSR 3)USSR - "4th" as you say Chris Boxer/Cahill cheated out of gold running 4 minutes flat - a great run and it makes me sick to think of her being cheated as was Yvonne Murray in the 3000 finishing 3rd behind Samolenko and Ivan. Makes you realize how many Great British athletes there were who were robbed. IMHO they should be honoured (literally) as Olympic champions.
Well said Simon!
I don't know about that being one of the most amazing performances since she was a definite cheat.
LOL so Romanian runners are now known drug users, what the fuck!?!? OK maybe Paula Ivan was a doper, I dont know, but the way you just listed countries makes it looks like you are implying Romania is a known doping ground in general which is ludricious.
A claim that you cannot substantiate. I suppose drugs were prevalent, but clearly accessible to Eastern Bloc, Americans, British, etc.
Was Christina Boxer ever tested? Of late, Allan Wells and Paula Radcliffe have come under suspicion. I have no proof, but there are documentaries that put forth the information.
Commentator 40 seconds into race,,,Ivana is not running that fast...20 seconds later...Folks we have world record pace!! lol!
back then it was the eastern bloc countries that dominated now it's the Africans and only this past Olympic year was that 1500m Olympic record broken. Those girls from the west didn't stand a chance back in 88.
She had 2 solid years, then magically disappeared. Wonder why.
juice! EPO! she didn't want to test positive but every one was on juice before the Olympics even Mary Slaney . I mean everybody!
She gave birth to a daughter in 1990 although I wouldn't any bet money that this performance was clean
@@Hever73 no. not everybody. man where do you cooks get your info from?..is it hearsay and anecdotes extended to tar everyone?. do you know the history and evolution of testing and use of drugs for athletics?..do you know the types of drugs used and how they work and how they can be used to avoid detection?..do you know which ones can be easily detected?..do you know which can be easily detected in 1988?..
For more of the same, watch the ABC (?) tape of the men's 1500m final of 1968, and then see the BBC version.
People moaning about steroids don't understand they were all on them. No random testing yet.
The difference between Paula and them is efficiency. Ivan's form is absolutely perfect - no wasted movement, no imbalance, good cadence.
Drugs or no drugs,, soooo what this solo run back in 1988 is absolutele perfection,, THE MODULE OF MECHANICAL EFFICIENCY !!!!!!!
Totally juiced final. Romanians, Soviets, even Slaney was busted down the road. It was after these Olympics the Soviet bloc crumbled and the East German coach started working with Chinese runners and in the 90s they suddenly and suspiciously started to rewrite the record book for womens distances.
Hair never bigger than 88. Them birds nests ! 😂😂😂😂
1988, The Juice/ Roids Era.
💕💕💕
Doper
1988 Olympics were the most heavily doped Games in history.
That's debatable for sure. Many questions regarding the boycotted Games in Moscow. Just as a minor example, we now definitely know that the head doping Doctor for the GDR was at least up until @ 1984, personally injecting a then undetectable metabolite of Nandrolone ester into all athletes within an hour or so before the race. The females who were victims of that have since come forward and specifically talked about the typical "warm" feeling spreading through their body in the hour after the shared needle injections. By the time 85 came around, the Nandrolone metabolite injections were detectable as the testing technology improved. But for sure no matter what Games you want to select as an example of widespread doping, it wasn't until the 76 games when the GDR was injecting pre race after a season of 4 sets of hard training with their Oral Turinabol steroid- a mandatory training pill for ALL GDR athletes in every Olympic sport except for four that they determined would not benefit the athletes in training.
you state that as if fact. and you'd be wrong too. the most heavily doped olympics occurred from 1960 through to 1976. thats a well known fact as steroids were a mainstay for most, and not officially banned or necessarily tested for. whatever testing that did arrive was weak and very limited and there was no out of comp testing at all.
in 1988 testing was in full swing and caught a lot of people. But athletes were 'less doped' by being forced into drugs that were less potent but could avoid detection or be eliminated, or werent using at all. ..or only used out of comp. That being said, there was out of comp testing also in 1988.
Yes, def dopping. You can totally tell with chick/guy...(lol) that their is superior dope happening crap.
@@timn4481 so you say the testing wasnt really there yet you claim it is the most doped olympics ever from 60-76 there is no fact in your statement unless athletes are getting caught.Way to assume
I think they were paradoxically also the most fair. After German rise of the seventies, everyone knew what it took by 1980. Each world bloc had a Games. then 88 saw everyone have a big bash up together. I love these races 😊
What a fantastic run. Just pure guts. Gun to tape!
Evan ran a blinder that day in Seoul. Felt for Chris Cahill of GB she should have medalled. She was a very gutsy runner.Mary did well to make the final some solace after LA 84. She had a superb year in 1985.
No 209 is beautiful
Ah, the days of rampant PEDs.
She ran on 'roids-how impressive?
what happened to Mary Decker?
She just got old. her peak years year 82 - 85. in 83 and 85 she was unbeatable.
She was about 3 years out of her prime at this point. She was injured prone. 1500 meters wasn't her cup of tea anyway. 3200 and 5K were her best races. 1984 was her best chance to win a gold.
Chris Cahill, the real gold medal winner of this race
Why did they ever let her get so far ahead?
It’s a good thing the BBC commentary was never jingoistic. Watch the 1972 Olympic women’s pentathlon won by Mary Peters. “Come on Mary, you need the run of your lifetime! Keep it going...Mary, come on, come on, you’ve got two yards to make!”
Notice Paula Ivan`s narrow hips & wide shoulders..
Tested positive for drugs in 1993, I'll wager any money Tetyana Dorovskikh was on them throughout her career. How unfortunate, then, for Chris Cahill (nee Boxer), who finished 4th.
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Waaa, of course, no BRITISH athlete would EVER "cheat". What a crock!
the way you talk it seems that Tatyana Dorovskikh made several stratospheric records....
Tatyana Samolenko (Dorovskikh) had a GLORIOUS AND EFFICIENT RUNNING STYLE unlike most of this field, including Christina Boxer. That comes from training and discipline, not drugs.
I wonder what discoveries we'd make about the predominantly American and British Olympic track and field champions from the early 20th century? Any prohibited substances, blood doping, etcetera.
Westerners and their victim complex! Meh!
@@kurtfrancis4621 Right.
The real winner of this race was the fourth placer ,, Britain's chris cahill
Amazing what some juice can do for your stamina.
both Samolenko and Ivan were juiced. Ivan looks SO manly.......
Amazing what TH-cam can do for ignorant people who want to speculate and make claims they can't substantiate.
@@gaelgarciabernal2434 is this THE Gael Garcia Bernal!? I only ask because as this notice just popped up on my cell phone, I am literally at this very moment in the middle of watching one of my favorite of the movies I have seen you in, The Motorcycle Diaries"!
@@Parker528 HAH ,!!!!!!! THAT'S A GOOD ONE 😅🤣😂☺️
Doina won the 800?
In 1984.
wire to wire IVAN
She doesn't dissapear, she got pregnant after winning WM in '89!! And she had complications after cesarean section, that why she finish her carrier!! So shut up, she was not a drugs pump american athlete!!
Lance Armstrong did the same thing that Paula did. He would take off like a rocket. The wonders of drugs.
Деккер заслуженно ни чего не получила за не спортивное поведение в прошлом ( уронила Зайцеву на чемпионате евр.,советы язык в жопу засунули, так всё и прошло без винно!?) так и продолжается.
Деккер американка и не могла участвовать в чемпионате европы
The Russians were so full of drugs that the field didn't have a chance.
Jesus! This was like Secretariat’s Belmont
compare this commentary to the british one. this is quite average.
Are you kidding me, the British always have the best commentary when it come to middle distance and distance events. They make it so interesting. The only American close in the last several years was Kara Gouher this past Olympics, she was pretty good. But yeah the British rule when it comes to commentary.
brilliant.......I only wish the American commentators pronounced PAULA correctly...... not PALLA.....as they keep saying. Who ever heard of Pall Newman????? It's the same name with an A at the end....
Actually DanTDM closer to pronouncing her name correctly then your interpretation or opinion of it. You have to remember first it is a different language if it's very close to the Soviet alphabet which is different from our alphabet. I will phonetically try my best to type out the letters for you to demonstrate exactly how her name is pronounced when transliterated from Romanian to English
First part:
Pow (as in a Pow-wow ceremony)
2nd part: la as la la Land
Now we put those two together and we have a phonetically spelled first name for her accurately pronounced as Pow-la.
@@Parker528 Although you are correct about the pronounciation, our alphabet and gramatic and a big portion of the lexic are latin.
the winner has the body, especially shoulders, of a man.
PAUL IVAN !!!!!!
Misogynistic, ignorant statement!
Women can't really look like women and be that fast lol
Think of a DD running this
DOPED TO THE FUKKIN HILT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the romanians were clean in this race
Paula Ivan is a known doper
Melinte was always a clean athlete, my friends trained with her and he was always a classy competitor, trained hard and didnt use anything. Ivan also trained a lot of sprinting the 6 months before, even working out with the Romanian mens team, but i am thinking after getting a close up of her face, she looks manly and probably did dope.
@@rolandgreen7484 Hey Dustin, first of all Ashford was 100 percent clean. She was weird though, said stupid things sometimes, and used to make digs at Flojo when they were in conferences and interviews. But she was probably right. Flojo is a unique story though. She did something, but she had the most perfect technique of anyone in the world after 1987 season she improved a lot and did a lot of leg muscle build up . I think it may have been using other stuff like HGH and HCG which isnt a steroid necessarily. Carl was taking a load of shit, once again most probably HCG. But he was disliked because of his sexuality at the time. He made the mistake of doing Sports Illustrated interview I think in 1984 and posed for some pics of himself by the pool for the article which totally turned into a fiasco- gay rumours abounded and his marketability plummeted. He wasnt very likeable either Brisco was doped to the eyelids in 1984. The sad thing is, she was a good athlete with horrendous form and could have actually won in 1988 had she fixed her technique, she was clean in 1988 btw. Jackie Joyner probably used whatever Flojo used, but probably cycled off in time for the OLympics to not get caught. Mary Decker was clean. She was a bitch, but clean.
@@metsdudenj look at Ivan’s legs she had the strength of a man well on drugs she led from start to finish at world record pace she was well juiced up
@@davidshannon2860 agree
Ivan though was super doped
sorry I simply have zero trust or respect for any east euro athlete from this period awards. of course lots of Americans were up to it too.
Is it not clear this woman was certainly on steroids?
The golden age of steroids to say the least. The US had no chance against the Eastern Bloc.
The US athletes were also on steroids. Do you recall Flo Jo?
The US athletes were also on steroids. Do you recall Flo Jo?
@@benchavis1624 Yes, she confessed, but did anyone from the Eastern Bloc admit to cheating and robbing the US 1500 meter team?
@@jimkelly4286 When did she confess to using steroids? Are you saying if someone confess it ok?
What 1500 meter US team are you talking about?
Paula Ivan Drago.
Yee, She hits You harder then Drago
I don't know about the drugs issue, but some of them looked as if they were suffering from an eating disorder.
I don t think you have been in a competition... You wait a year for this moment an the pressure is there everywhere
Roided
Doping............
Ah androgens...
She was on steroids. I don't care what others think.
you're a fucking idiot, i don't care what you think
Mary Decker did too!
STILL she was a FANTASTIC RUNNER!!!!!!!! Regardless!!!!!! I wish it was 1988 again,,,,, better times than now!!!!!!!! WELL done,,,ESPECIALLY CHRIS BOXER WHO WAS THE REAL GOLD MEDALLIST!!!!!!!!! HAHAHA,,,BRILLIANT,,,,,AND THAT GOES FOR YVONNE MURRAY TOO XXXX
100% communist dopers podium, great success товарищи!
can't stand decker. what a sorry excuse for an athlete. always about bad luck, or others...never herself.