Jim Cornette Reviews Episode One Of Mr. McMahon On Netflix
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Someone said Tony Atlas was dressed like Fred Flintstone’s boss lol
He was great in this
Mah Peckah
Dude is funny as shit
Tony Atlas is a hell of a character but you can't deny he's really funny.
FLINTSTONE!!!!!
Lol damn.
You can definitely tell that this was a documentary that was originally JUST supposed to be a long form history of Vince McMahon and the WWE. But then they hastily changed direction halfway through production once the allegations came out.
On the 3rd one... Nothing new so far lol
Because that's what happened? It was a history of vince & wwe then the allegations came out! But great observations
@@TheHairyGorillayeah it wasnt nothing new for us hardcore fans but i think this was more so for the folks outside the fandom. Like you’re aunt or uncle knows the name hulk hogan and what he looks like but thats about all they know lol
Not even halfway through. More like the very end.
@@kant5696 I'd say it can also be interesting for some who don't know anything about WWE at all. I'm on episode 5, and I've been bored so far tbh as I've seen so much of Vince crushing the territories, the birth of wrestlemania, the steroid scandal, the Monday night war, and the screw job so many times before. My girlfriend though, she doesn't watch wrestling at all, so this is her first time seeing any of it and she's finding it entertaining. It just comes across as something for casuals or people who don't watch wrestling at all.
I’m waiting for Cornette’s reaction to Triple H taking credit for the Montreal
Screwjob idea a few episodes down the line
Yup, honestly looking back at it, they did the right move letting Bret go, since wwf wanted to focus on younger talent. I wish tony Khan screws Jericho over so Jericho can leave
@@mrnicemam8523younger as in Shawn Michaels?!
@@Devypocalypse yeah. Bret was 40 at that time and Shawn was only 33. Plus Vince knew that he had to get rid of Bret in order to make way for guys like Steve Austin, rock, HHH, mankind, undertaker, and Kane to rise up
@@mrnicemam8523 The Bret-Shawn Discussion is soo over talked about. You've not said anything new
He’s probably delighted he’s not being blamed for nearly killing the business
Not talking a lot about his childhood on the first episode was a missed opportunity. Getting to dive deep into some of it would give us some clarity on why he's the way he is
I don't think Vince remembers much about his childhood anyway
@@RMN789 one he is nearly 80 and a lot of his memory will be fading and two given how bad it was maybe he doesn’t want to remember it.
Apparently there was alot of footage about his childhood & a dive into how he was sexually abused when he was younger that they didn't include, word is they didn't want to make him sympathetic
@Lamb2Lionz that's what I was thinking. They don't want to explore the villains origin story
Ha! I made that comment before I listened to the commentary from Corny
if they had footage about his childhood and didnt include it, thats bullshit. even when true crime talks about serial killers, they bring up their rough childhood
This documentary was very much for the casuals and non wrestling fans. I learned nothing new.
Exactly. That's what this was for. The Netflix audience that are into true crime and netflix binging.
Most don't realize. Wrestling is not that big anymore. Even in today's boom, there are way more nonfans/casuals than the IWC realizes.
For everyone saying it's "just recycling the same old stories"; these aren't necessarily stories that are that well known outside of the wrestling bubble. Keep in mind that this is a Netflix documentary for a general audience
No, *everyone* in the world already knows everything about Vince McMahon and the history of the WWE. It definitely can't be that internet smarks live in a wrestling nerd bubble or anything...
@CyborgElbow - It also puts a lot of Vince's more bizarre responses in an interesting context: This is what he wants the general, non-smark crowd to think of him and WWF/E
@@CyborgElbowyeah even my mom was mad at the documentary bc she knew all these wwe stories busy didn’t get much on Vince
Being honest, I do feel that way, but it's because of the way they marketed it. They hyped up unprecedented access to Vince and that he was going to let people know the real man behind the character, and that's not what made it on screen.
If they actually do have a lot more interview footage about Vince's private life and childhood but didn't want to let him look sympathetic as many rumors are saying, it's both a garbage move and missed opportunity. Either way, my butthurt take on it is really just my own fault for buying into the hype, and I should probably have known better.
@@CyborgElbowNo. It definitely is. Because, there are people, like me, who are not interested in inside entertainment stuff.
No doubt that Vince McMahon being abandoned by his biological father, then abused by his stepfather, and then what appears to be sexually abused by his mother definitely had an effect on the person Vince would become.
I was thinking the same thing. He never dealt with these and I think that was the main component of his downfall.
At least Hulk Hogan didn’t try to paint himself like Chuck Norris in this video.
Hogan was his Sensei, he has too much respect for Norris to do that.
@@wilcee238 Hero Matsuda actually tried to train Chuck Norris along with Hulk Hogan, but when hero would use the nunchucks on Hulk, Hogan Hulk was always able to Hulk Up I'd get back to his feet but Chuck would just get a cracked skull and lay there bleeding so that's why Verne Ganga Never hired Chuck and went with Hulk instead.
Interesting to hear Jim´s view on this because I think he still has a soft spot for his former boss, which is absolutely understandable.
Having watched the full doc, I think it was more of a catch-all for the average netflix viewer as oppose to a deep dive for those in the bubble.
I am glad it wasnt a hit piece though. I know VKM has denounced it, but I think it was more or less a fair look at Vince.
he denounced it because it was supposed to be a documentary on his past and the history of the wwe, a comprohensive guide with people who was their opinions and additions to the story. however when the lawsuit came out netflix changed and edited the angle to be all about that instead
If the last part wasn't there I think he'd be fine with it. But overall it was a more pointed rehash of his McMahon DVD from the 2000s, a lot of the same stories except presented in a more Dark Side of the Ring sort of way rather than the "oh that crazy guy" kind of way that the DVD had.
Well, Jim knew him personally (when they were both far younger) so that's understandable that he would have a soft spot for Vince.
Like Corny, I wanted to hear more about Vince's upbringing. His childhood, before he meets his father, is really the source that directed his life. Of course, the worst talking head to me is Hogan. For him to pretend that he and Andre drew that Shea Stadium house in 1980 was absurd. Bruno and Zbysko drew that house..Hogan and Andre was like the fourth match on the card. I also didn't mind Meltzer, who sounded surprisingly reasonable.
Vinnie Jr.!
This doc had way too much Meltzer.
@@wozthescott2804 honestly I thought he was one of the more sane minds. He knows his shit Shoemaker was by FAR the worst
Vince bullshido needed someone to counter bullshido
Tbf, he was provably the best talking head.
I didn't had much problem with Uncle Dave on doc.
Yeah and if you listen to Jim here he actually appreciates it. You know, you can mock the guy for his self important attitude and all that but he knows his history, and he has been here for a very long time.
The review episodes will be longer than the episodes themselves? 🤣
Yeah. Bischoff did 90 mins on ep 1 although I guess most of it is probably ads.
People always say Tony Atlas isn’t very bright but he was great in this.
Why because he says bolivia instead of oblivion? 😂😂
Seriously though, he was great!
I believe Paul Heyman was there when Vince was interviewed (at least once) as in a later episode there's a voice which sounds like Paul and credited as such in subtitles.
"Story Line"
Let’s go
Dave Meltzer actually said one thing on the documentary that was very intelligent that I didn't know he knew and that's when he said Vince McMahon realized that entertainment sold better than just wrestling matches.... From the way Dave talks over the years you would think that he wouldn't have admitted that😂😂
yeah, it's hilarious how it shows he only says whatever applies to the point of view of what he's talking about and not from the other side at the same time
He also admitted to what sales tickets and viewership I believe.
he also said that having stars was more important than having good matches
@@stuartbarrett755 wonder why he doesn’t tell AEW that😂
@@stuartbarrett755stars as in star ratings?
Man, Vince aged like a 100 year old ham and cheese sandwich in a Time capsule.
Maybe my hearing isn’t as good as it used to be, but I never hear these gardeners. Is he just trying to flex that he doesn’t do yard work?
can't be that they run the audio through a noise filter 🙄
You can hear it with good headphones. AND Brian is definitely flexing that he doesn’t do yard work.
Odd flex
@@zzi622lmao. It's not exactly the height of luxury to have a lawn service. Costs me 100/mo to never ever have to worry about my lawn and or maintaining equipment.
$100 a month just to have someone do something you can do yourself is indeed a luxury to a LOT of ppl as well as an odd flex to even mention 🤷🏿♂️
All I'm seeing online is "they didn't show anything we didn't already know" like every wrestling fan:
a) lives in America
b) were alive since 1984
c) dives deep into Vince McMahon lore
I consider myself a hardcore fan from the Philippines. The fuck would I know about anything about Rita Chatterton and the ring boy stories unless it was brought up by Jim or if they were topical at the moment.
The documentary had subtle moments hinting of "this could be BS" without outright being a hit piece. There are absolutely things they should've devoted more time to discuss, but that doesn't discount the whole documentary to not be good, because it was good.
Actually I fall in the criteria above ... it turns out Cody has mentioned Dusty as the first choice before Hogan in another interview but episode 1 had to be the first time Vince confirmed this , and it was the first time I heard this.
Vince is easily the most fascinating person in wrestling. Maybe less so for someone younger but there's limited information out there about him which most wrestling fans know.
If you didn't know any of this shit already, You were never a fan to begin with or you're a 12 yrs man child
Because Jim has talked about them before?.
Unless you completely shelter yourself from every single piece of wrestling media not 100% produced by WWE, you should have reasonably heard about these things.
You are an exception to the rule. The vast majority of wrestling fans know the history of the sport. The vast majority of wrestling fans already know this information because it has already been covered in dozens of documentaries over the years, or was on the news. If you had ever watched a documentary about WWE, then you learned practically nothing new. You are an exception to the rule. The documentary that should have been for wrestling fans was a generic documentary for non-fans.
Tony Atlas stole the show
Honest guy
Yeah, he did a great job!
This documentary wasn’t an expose or hit piece like everyone wanted instead it was a bunch of public information with Vince’s perspective on it. And then a minor expose at the very end with not much else.
6/10
It was still interesting seeing them discuss stuff that was swept under the rug by WWE like the ring boy scandal, Owen Hart's death, Chris Benoit tragedy etc
I rate your opinion 5/10
@@breakdown461Hmm youre review of his review is meh. But it was in the tokyo dome so 6 stars
Jim Cornette reviewing the doc its more entertaining then the doc 😂.
"I'm a mark who already knew this stuff so the doc was bad"😂😂 when marks don't realize their marks
I'm liking the old footage. Maybe not as juicy as people thought it might be, but there's still some interesting tidbits that make it worth watching imo
The only thing that shocked me was uncle Dave didint try to shoehorn AEW and Tony Khan in this doc
The twitterverse is saying Tony Atlas is the real MVP of the doc series.
Can't wait for Jim's response to Uncle Dave basically saying WrestleMania 23 was a huge success PURELY because of Vince (Umaga) vs Trump (Bobby Lashley), completely underselling Michaels vs Cena was the main event (WWE Championship), Batista vs Undertaker (World Championship), Mr. Kennedy winning Money in the Bank against Edge, Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy, Finley, Booker T, Randy Orton, and CM Punk.
Jim's gonna go BAT $#!+ 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I hope so cause Jim doesnt talk about that era much
A lot of it is everything we already knew
I've been thinking since I watched it that I hope Corny doesn't take a week to respond to each episode 😢 I am excited!!
Linda looked like Hillary Clinton to me .
I was just saying this!
Hulk saying he called the match with the Iron Sheik, I laughed so hard when I heard that
Hulk Hogan invented WrestleMania .. Summerslam... Survivor Series ... just ask him .. he will tell you
@@whogivesacrap186 its partially true though because without him, WWE would not be popular as it is today. Plus he main evented all those first time ever ppvs
I enjoyed the documentary. I watched it all in one go lol. Made me feel nostalgic about attitude era etc
Unca Dave is suprisingly looked credible in the documentary. We all know his bias for AEW but you could not deny that he knows the history.
I’ve learned more in the first 25 minutes of this video than I did the whole 6 episodes of the documentary
After Vince’s tweet I was really looking forward to this show. After watching it in full I was tremendously let down. Learn nothing new and Vince totally oversold it in his tweet.
This was nothing special it was basically a 6 hr introduction to the WWE on netflix
Having just a finished all 6 episodes, it's a very shallow documentary. 3 episodes were like watching The Monday Night Wars on network and hardly featured any interview segments for Vince. Barely anything beyond what was happening visually on TV at the time was discussed. No real insights or anything of Vince away from the cameras. Pretty disappointing overall.
I fancy his mother was a fan at one of the shows when a young Vince Senior was cruising the territories.
He knocked her up after the show, and when this woman from the trailer park approached him about the pregnancy, he didn't want to know.
Completely baseless conjecture on my part, yes; but it would fit the narrative as to why Vince would maybe be embarrassed/ashamed of his past
Anyone watching this instead of that documentary itself?
A fellow thespian 🤝🏻
An hour review of an hour episode
The entire documentary was everything but a hit-piece. I watched all 6 episodes. Vince was painted as the victim. They gave 30 minutes to the scandal. Netflix protected their investment.
Jim should review Dump Matsumoto’s documentary series as well as Vince’s
Remember, Vince wanted to call WrestleMania: "Colossal Tussle"
YES! I didn't expect them to get anything like this out so fast. Love you Cornette and crew!
I'll admit. As much as there were stories i knew of and have been told before, the doc had a lot of revelations about vince and his weird quirks. He'd spit out sketchy stuff that he wouldn't be caught saying if the interview was after the allegations.
Im in the in between of casual and hardcore fan so i was still learning new stories.
This was for sure a great marketing tool for raw on Netflix.
Vince was crazy, super sketchy and is not there anymore.
So come watch raw in 2025!
I remember the days of "Prime Time Wrestling" when I first started watching WWE. (f) Gorilla Monsoon/Bobby Heenan. Just the best of telling a story. And the banter they did back and forth. Just priceless. Gorilla was also an excellent commentator. Bobby Heenan was the best manager ever. (No offense, Jim - lol)
I watched the entire episode and Bret definitely stole the show.
Paul Heyman proved how great he is with words.
Vince's stepfather was named Leo Hubert Lupton and he died in 1965. No other info out there.
Wish there was more on the childhood too. At one point Vince mentions incest from one of his parents/step parents and they just moved through that with no explanation
I wanted a lot more on his childhood because as a former special ed teacher, hearing about those horror stories with what that wing was like in the 50s and 60s, especially in the rural areas like where Vince would have spent his elementary school years, is fascinating to me. Luke Gallows said the Festus gimmick was pitched to him as being one of Vince's old classmates, so given his dyslexia they probably tossed him into the self contained wing for a while.
As others have said, there was likely going to be more of that until the allegations came out. It's harder to condemn a villain when you can understand his origin story: a screwed up childhood led to a screwed up man.
I thought the same thing about Linda. I didn’t even recognize her at first
Dave will always bash the McMahon’s or WWE because he hates them and they hate him.
Between the Vince's tweet and the long wait from Netflix to release this, i watched with some expectatives, but it was a nothing burger with a lot of stories already known in the A&E WWE legends biography and something in the Neckbeard side of the ring. A documentary for a wide audience which i don't know why should be interested in the old man in the first place. Vince is a relic from the XXth century. What a sham pal! Netflix is more diabolical than Vince, that's for sure.
Bills Simmons produced it. I dislike Bill Simmons.
I'm still traumatized by the opening song & dance number from episode 2.
I won't bother watching this. It's a big waste of time.
This documentary had almost nothing to say that hasn't been said a million times before. I'm 25 so I didn't even grow up watching wrestling as a lot of this stuff happened and I knew about it (Snuka, Steroid Trial, Montreal Screwjob, Vince buying the company from his father and then destroying the territories, etc...)
Although I do feel sorry for Shane McMahon more than I did just from a fan's perspective.
I feel like this documantary is best suited for casual fans who don't know that much about Vince or the history of WWE.
I think it does a good job at introduction.
Anyone else spot a young Vlad at the end of episode 1?
So far it’s been good. But not a lot of new info
Trish comes off like a paid company shill
Tony Atlas was the star of this
This doc was filled with shit we already knew
I stopped watching the doc after ep3. This is definitely a documentary for casuals, i don't need to hear about the Monday Night Wars and the Attitude Era for the 500th time.
I think they had such little to work with it just ended up being a WWE documentary.. The fifth episode is quite interesting regarding Shane and Vince. I didn't learn anything else really..
Well yeah, more people will watch it that way.
The artwork reminds me of a story of a statue of a woman in the local cemetery here in my hometown that has a red hand print on her left cheek. The story is that the woman’s husband slapped her in the face which caused her to fall down the stairs and die. The cause of her death is actually a true story. Caretakers of the cemetery have been trying for many decades to remove the hand print from the statue, but it just keeps coming back. That is the mysterious part. Every time someone removes the hand print, it comes back. it just won’t go away.
Wheres this
I got to learn stuff I already knew from DVDs I paid for over a decade ago. What a swindle. Nice production, though.
Same for the bizarre hype behind Who Killed WCW?
Zombie Linda
No mention of the Snuka coverup was a major oversight.
It was briefly mentioned
the mentioned the murder but swept past it pretty quickly
It comes up in later episode.
😂 With Vince docs on Netflix, seems like Shane O Mac is joining AEW what's next Kenny Omega debuting in WWE. Ever since Cody Rhodes return to WWE in 2022 things have drastically been changed
Omega should debut in the Royal Rumble. I know he's still under contract, though...
He's got driver-tits-that-bite-us.
@@ElmoKnowsWhereYouLive5150Yep I think he can pull an AJ Styles, I personally feel the WWE style will prolong his career and end it in a good note. Him and Punk could definitely finish what they could have in AEW.
@@jeffmendez02 FINALLY, SOMEONE WITH WRESTLING SENSE!!!
Brian in episode 6
Anybody else liked this WWE documentary that had a few Mr. McMahon clips presented?
Vince was presented in every episode… you think they’re just going to cut straight to the point without acknowledging anything about WWF/WWE… are you assuming everyone is a wrestling fan and knows the history already ? It’s a fucking documentary on NETFLIX of course they have to cover all aspects of what led up to Vince being a horrible evil piece of shittt
20 seconds ago
There is something -- someone -- not mentioned _anywhere_ and that is "Shawn Manton McMahon". Shawn, not Shane. Through my research, I have found that Vince and Linda had a child in Hartford CT in 1975, who lived for 1 day - my assumption being that the child was stillborn. Shane would have been about 5 years old at the time. One year after the birth and death of Shawn Manton McMahon, Stephanie was born (in 1976). That's the sort of life event that shapes a person. It's a weird thing to omit from Vince's story considering how important something like that is in a person's life.
Nice nice
Bro
Here we go.
Let’s go!
"Frailty" is the word Jim was seeking
For a small-town bird-lawyer, Corny’s vocabulary is the drizzling shits.
Happy to be here! 🎉❤
All Vinces enablers were the talking heads!
Taker? Bret?
Doc is a complete waste of time. Same old recycled stories
To you, if you're a smark that already knows everything. They're not trying to preach to the converted.
not 1 non-wrestling fan will be converted after watching this documentary. All these stories have been told in multiple other docs and podcasts and always told better.
What did you expect? Seriously. It's Bill Simmons.
@@david83ryanDo you seriously believe non-wrestling fans will have watched all those "docs and podcasts" you think are better? If so, you're in a bubble. Non-fans may be finding out a lot of this stuff for the first time.
@@CyborgElbow Shut up smark
08:10
Waiting for the Cody/Roman faceoff and the McIntyre raw promo review
Only people complaining about the doc are marks who spent the last decade being way too into behind the scenes wrestling stuff
This doc made Shane look really good and probably will help his AEW run
Tallyho! Brian & Jim. This documentary, was rivating. One has whatched it twice already.
Ernie Kovacs... wow. Give Vince some weird glasses and call him Percy Dovetonsils.
If you watched dark side of the ring.....you have seen this.
Meltzer was fine. He provided insight into the world of vince and wasn't lying
Some of the biggest names in the wrestling business... and then there's Meltzer
According to the Bill Simmons Podcast, they had the Evel Kneivel stuff in the doc, and they loved it, but they had to cut it out because it didn't move the story forward
I saw the first episode last night and I was looking forward to hearing Jim and Brian's reviews.
"This should have been a doc for wrestling fans!!!" 😂 Get real smarks, the vast majority of the nearly 300 million subscribers Netflix has don't live on the IWC
Jim you keep lying about Linda being younger she does not consider how she looks now stop the 🧢🧢
Linda probably looks younger than she used to because she's not living with purple lips anymore.
Hogan putting the talk show guy down with Mr T us the only time I've enjoyed Hogan
Maybe his mustache melted and got all over his lips, but that’s crazy cause I was wondering why his lips were purple too!!!!
Jim never said if Netflix reached out to him to be in this documentary
Work shoot craaap for publicity for raw on Netflix
"I'm gonna talk about a different type of dump"😂😂
Wait so ol' marble mouth Meltzer can actually speak without all the uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, ummmmmmm, errrrrrrrr, well ya know, urrrrrmmnmmm, duuuuuuuuuuuuh,
things can always change?
Ha.
The fact that Just Joe wasn’t interviewed was a missed opportunity by the producers.