No analog triggers, no dual channel ram, no micro sd card slot, too many questionable decisions for it to be a competitor for devices we have announced now
single channel RAM is a baffling decision imo, agree on the other 2 as well but just bottlenecking performance with single channel RAM will give you 0 good will points among enthusiasts and I don't think handheld x86 PCs are very mainstream just yet...
Omg! It doesn't even have an sd card slot? WTF is going on with them? I rather use my Odin, game stream and have precise controls like.. analog triggers and a d-pad that's placed for more advanced games. That I3 Aya device in a few months looks to be killer.
Russ, I love your videos. No-nonsense, occasional humor, solid opinions. You report exactly what I want to know about devices. Keep doing what you do, good sir!
@@yelnatspowerzz4970 ds is 99% compatible and NGC is 70% the Ayn Odin has similar performance metric in emulation and it can do PS2 with ather sx2 better than this can.
For a long time I thought that Anbernic had hit rock bottom with the RG552 due to the bad and unthought-out ergonomics of the handheld (shoulder buttons). But with the Win600, Anbernic has managed to repeat the SAME mistake with the bad ergonomics (using the stick and operating the shoulder buttons at the same time) and as if that wasn't bad enough, in my opinion Anbernic also demands a much too high and very cheeky one Price for the service offered. It almost seems to me as if Anbernic is trying to compensate for their previously unachieved sales and profit targets with each additional product through an even poorer price-performance ratio. And that WITHOUT even paying attention to the most important point of all: THE BUYER 🤷♂️ That the buyer really has a good feeling with the handheld in the end and that especially in relation to a reasonable and fair price. Anbernic has achieved this goal with the RG351 series. Now Anbernic only draws attention to embarrassing actions against Taki Undo. This is a very weak signal from Anbernic. Thanks for the effort 👍
meh. it's a great measurebating channel, and it's also a great mountians-from-molehills channel. basically taki's channel but with more chiptune... lol
i guess i'm just saying, russ is now on the "content gerbil wheel". he doesn't actually play retro games, he makes video reviews as advertising for retro game systems for profit. it's been a slow transition to this, but it really shows.
As time goes by, I'm really starting to think it's not incompetence, but a will to sell incremental upgrades. Otherwise called milking their customers.
I am guessing around $500. There are still people assuming it will cost around $300, but i am guessing somewhere around $500. I think the best deal is the Ayn Loki mini line of handhelds. They are all sub $300, run Windows, and are more powerful than this device.
@@chrisgullett4332 It's very difficult for me to believe that they are going to try to get $500 out of this machine, considering the specs and other devices available and coming soon. I would think $300 at most if they expect to sell any. (Edit: They might try and get $350 at first and then reduce it after other devices start to become available.)
@@chrisgullett4332 Anything over 200 its a fail due to the ayn loki mini coming out with better specs and only $239 celeron 7305 with 48 eu for the gpu it will completely destroy this dont know where you are getting 500 from
@@chrisgullett4332 They've gotta know what the competition has, as well as their announced pricing. Time will tell how competitive they choose to be with that info.
As an emulation only device, this is interesting. However, I don't know if I'm willing to spend that kind of money on a device that can't play PS2 well. Might as well keep my SteamDeck reservation
Steam Deck has some issues with PS2 emulation but I would still consider it playable. For example Need For Speed Most Wanted drops around 45fps when multiple cars are on screen.
@@glennshoemake4200 NFS MW 1 and 2 have native PC ports that should run flawlessly on the Deck. You just need to remap the gamepad to joystick/keyboard controls and you'll have the same experience.
@@glennshoemake4200 That's probably mostly due to software optimization or lack thereof because the hardware is more than capable of handling up to PS3 and Xbox 360.
ETA Prime added faster RAM and got a significant boost in GPU performance so it could potentially get better even with only single channel. Russ you might want to try that out too.
I... really don't know what to make of these specs, it's astronomically slower than even the most basic Core i3 AYN Loki Mini will be, with again even lower efficiency (and therefore battery life), It's a 2020 Athlon running on Standard Zen, needless to say this chip doesn't hold a candle to any semi modern 7nm chip in any department. So considering this and AYN's offerings i don't see the Win600 going anywhere if it costs even a fraction over 200$, which apparently it will at almost over 300$ WHAT, like if you just wanted a low power mobile game streamer, then do yourself a favor and just get the AYN Odin Lite! Unless you really need an x64 arch? But then just wait for Mendocino Handhelds or if you can, a Steam Deck. Pah, not to mention, no micro sd card slot, no hdmi, no analog triggers, single port ram memory slot, i mean, really Anbernic? 300$ for almost no features?
@@RandomPlaceHolderName the 8505 might just be called i3 without a P core. The P core itself will consume 3 watts under presure and for only having 12 watts max, the igpu might get like 2 or 3 watts for it own. Even with 15 watts as a tdp limit the igpu will get 4 watts at most. In the loki mini pro there is no power hungry P core so you will be giving 5 or 6 watts to the gpu. Most games on intel apus throttle on the igpu insted of cpu. It will peform better in the same tdps unless you want heavy ps3 emulation. Sorry for the text wall.
@@shlokshah5379 You're confused. 8505 has a P core. i3 has 2. But the biggest difference is the iGPU. 48EUs at 900mhz vs 64EUs at 1100mhz is going to be noticeable.
@@DJDanceClassic I'd rather wait for something good than buy this crap just because they released first. You don't see someone cooking a nice meal and then eat of out the dumpster.
yeah, i tried anbernic devices before! (only one the: 351P because of your review) very good stuff and i planned to buy the win600 since i've first read about it! thanks a lot for your review and for your content at all! love it!
I have been holding off on alot of these devices because I was waiting for solid PSP and gamecube emulation. That's what I want. This may be it. IS THE WAIT FINALLY OVER?!
The fact that this device struggles with PS2, NGC, and anything past mid-tier indie titles doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth. Anbernic keeps releasing "more powerful" devices, but the fact that they STILL can't make one that can play anything past PS1/N64 doesn't leave me optimistic for the future of the brand. I feel the only Anbernic devices worth investing in are the RG351V or the RG351MP, which are running on old and crusty chipsets. No one is buying Windows handhelds to be locked into PS1/N64 and below and indie games
Russ does an amazing job with his reviews and tutorials videos, Anbernic is a good overall retro device, I own the RG351v and 351mp, they do a good job with custom firmware, however, now that Anbernic is stepping up their game with these new devices let's keep it real here, we're in 2022 and emulation games are from PS2, Gamecube etc, these games came out over 20 years ago and this device still struggles to emulate it perfectly, this is not good enough for price point I'm afraid. These new overprice retro devices need to match a minimum standard of nintendo switch or at the very least keep up with Ps3, Xbox 360 games without any issue, otherwise it's not really worth it I'm afraid.
I like it too. I am going for the steam deck for myself too but I am maybe getting this till the steam deck is shipped in autumn/winter and then give this to my gf so she can play some games too on it
ETA Prime swapped the 8GB 2400MHz RAM module with a 16GB 3200MHz RAM one and got better performance. Just a heads up if you wanted to try and do the same! The m.2 SSD is also user upgradeable. Also, your referral link to Anbernic’s website is broken. It takes me to the main site without your referral.
Updated the link, thanks. I'm torn on swapping out the RAM since that might give potential buyers a false sense of performance (and the added cost of getting new RAM). It feels like something I should do in a separate video, once I've reviewed the out-of-box experience.
@@RetroGameCorps very good point. It would be a lot of work, but you could test the toughest to run games on each higher end console with the included RAM then again with the faster RAM. Just a thought! However… your current video format/flow is near perfect so I wouldn’t want to mess with that
@@RetroGameCorps You could do it with an 8GB 3200MHz stick - they're cheap used, and you'd make most of the cost back by selling on the surplus stick. If you did get a decent boost in performance, I'd say definitely feature a comparison in your main review .
Very very nice in depth review !!! So well done. I also like that despite the good overview of the device there is going to be more in-depth testing to come. I'm interested to see more about this thing. The price very well could make or break what in general seems to be a pretty descent device.
HAHAHA I knew it !! $300 US BASE PRICE, in "sale" from $325 US (suuuuuure) They AGAIN get absolutely demolished by the competition. "Anbernic : Get Less for More" should be their company motto/tagline lol. And it's not just a question of power VS price. The biggest issue is that you get a device rushed to market, that is badly designed, and unsupported. If most of your devices would be absolute trash without the community's hard work, well, there's a major problem. I terms of quality and design issues, Anbernic has become similar to Powkiddy, with the huge difference that with the latter you get cheaper prices, so it makes sense. It's one or the other, not both. It's almost insulting. In any cases, I think anyone still interested by this device should wait for Taki's review. He's a consultant for such devices in China. And more importantly, he's not afraid to be critical when there is a problem or if other devices are better in every ways for similar prices. All other reviewers are, to say the least, generally overly enthusiastic, even when the product is mediocre... They don't want to get blacklisted...
I'm super interested in this class of device: a cheap, light, long-battery-life Steam Deck. I'm not interested in playing Elder Ring on the go, but a Steam metroidvania indie handheld? Yes please! Very interested in seeing how this performs with SteamOS. I also wish it were smaller...
If I hadn't gotten a Steam Deck already, I'd be very interested in this, it looks very very promising. SteamOS is absolutely going to be a fantastic option for pc handhelds like these, and if pricing is right this could be a great deck killer for those who can't get/don't need one.
For those trying to put the Win600 into perspective: it's essentially a modern revamp of the Win 2 (performance wise) in a less ergonomic wrapping with (hopefully) less hardware faults.
What I like the most about a x86 handheld is being able to play with achievements. On modern games like octopath traveler, there's a Switch version but Switch has no achievements system at all. And on retro games like metal slug, you can get Steam achievements offline unlike Retroachievements which needs an internet connection
That's exactly why I want one. I can play through Persona 3 Portable and 4 again on the Switch, but with zero achievements. Those are 100+ hour games. I'm fine with it if I've never played a game before but with long games or something I'm replaying? Achievements are a must.
I’ve recently got into playing a bunch of 2D platformers on steam and this thing looks like it would be great for me, if only I hadn’t preordered the Loki Max 😅.
I think out of the Box performance is really what we should always focus on. Many people like myself are able to spend their time and figure out how to adjust settings, but I really hate doing it and typically rely on out of the Box performance.
I think there is a place for focusing on multiple use cases. There are people for whom the out of the box experience is the only thing that matters because they are not interested in doing any tweaking. There are people who are interested in really digging in and doing some in-depth tweaking and optimization to wring the absolute most that they can out of the hardware. And there are people in the middle, who might be willing to install a custom firmware image or set up a launcher as part of their initial setup, but don't want to do any long-term tweaking beyond that. I largely find myself in the last category personally, but all are valid perspectives and I think Russ usually does a good job of addressing all of them.
Ive read that if you replace the ram thats coming with the win600 with a one that has 3200 mhz can improve emulation and pc games extremely. The GPU gets a big boost.
best channel to watch review and device in take. everybody must do this quality videos. use mic volume up at the video editor so that there is no hassle to pump my volume up to 60-100%. be like this guy high quality videos 💪👍👍
When I saw this video pop up, I thought, "No, why did I just order the 353?!" But after watching, I'm glad I did and will stick to my phone and Razer Kishi for larger screen handheld gaming. Thanks again for your great videos.
This latest flood of larger handhelds is kinda overwhelming if you are looking for something in that niche, guess if I was, I'd just wait and see until something pulls ahead more clearly. So far, I'd say only the miyoo mini, ayn loki and the steamdeck looks attractive in their respective brackets
This looks like it's about equivalent to the Odin pro performance wise without the windows 11 arm headaches. If it's $299 and actually starts shipping on July 5 Anbernic could have its first win in a while.
Love these short unboxing videos 😁 if I considered it only on specs (including that single channel ram), I'd definitely be very disappointed. After this video though, all comes down to price and further tests, but it doesn't look like it can do much more than Odin for now, in a much bigger footprint and probably with worse battery life.
One thing to note is that upgrading the RAM to 3200 MHz has a very significant effect on performance. It's still not as good as it could have been with dual channel, but it's a lot better (by what I've seen a 30-50% improvement in performance).
Awesome early impressions. Your videos are great. One of the things I'm looking for in a windows handheld is a device to help me with my Steam unplayed list, lol. So I'd be interested in a review that touches on 2000-2010 era AA or AAA games. Things like Tomb Raider, Arkham Asylum, Fable 3, Bioshock, Borderlands 2, etc.
I agree totally. I want to play the Arkham trilogy and the middle Tomb Raider trilogy (Legend, Anniversary, Underworld) on something like this. Anbernic has Tomb Raider 2013 in one of their demo videos, so it should be playable. I trust their demo videos a lot less than an outside reviewer though, so I'd like to see how 2010 era AAA games run, like you said.
Cheers Russ, looking forward to the full review and price reveal. Oh and battery life too, kinda crucial. I know someone who likes white handhelds if you want to move it on later .... :)
Great Video thanks. Hopefully the price will be around 200-300USD and spent a little more in upgrading the ram to 16GB (*single channel ) will make this an awesome emulation gadgets.
Still no analog shoulder buttons, for a windows device, this isn't right. How would I play my racing games? Do they not like analog shoulder buttons for some reason? This is the main reason why I wouldn't buy this thing over upcoming devices. And why would they put the Dpad up top? For a retro gaming console 32bit and below I can kinda understand but for any new games? Why??? I'm looking forward to that Aya Air Plus with the I3 processor over this. I saw ETA's video on that I3 processor and it can play Wii-U and PS3! I got an Odin and I can gamestream my games and have an analog shoulder buttons and play wii and gamecube faster than this! lol.. For such an old company, they should be putting out something better than this. Great video Russ, but Anbernic is really falling behind.
Hey Russ, I would love to see the deep dive before the release date! I know thats not a ton of time, so maybe a split two part video for each operating system.
Terrible placement of thumbsticks. IMHO. That said, curious to see how your more in depth view goes. Also curious how the support and community are around these devices.
Why are the ergonomics not the MOST important feature of these portable devices is always beyond me... Nothing matters (performance,screen etc...) if I get cramps and pain after 30 min of playing. Also now when Steam deck is here for 400$ (if u can find it :D) these weaker devices need to be a lot cheaper.
Agreed! They're such an old company, you'd think they'd put out better devices than new ones like Aya or Ayn.. No analog shoulder buttons? Dpad up top for a windows device? Why?? lol.
right.. this should the thing that's talked about the most... it doesn't matter if this could run cyberpunk at a 100 fps if the ergonomics are bad and u can't even enjoy playing the game then it's a failed product. I own the 552 and using the analog sticks and the triggers is an absolute nightmare. Also a lot of people are hoping this will be a budget option.. it won't the 552 is around 200 usd so this will definitely be priced much higher. anbernic always overprices their products.
Man, that analog placement is a nightmare if you're thinking about playing any dual analog game! Just seems so uncomfortable pressing the triggers while holding the sticks!
Hey Russ, There really is no reason to buy the Win600 anymore because Ayn leaked the Loki Zero this morning! It has the same processor (Amd 3050), dual channel ram, SD card expansion and all for $100 less! The Loki Zero will also be available for purchase on Aliexpress and Amazon soon! The Win600 was destroyed before they even sold one😂 Nobody who can still think straight will buy the Win600!
things like GeForce Now and Stadia and how good it's the emulation scene in android are letting this Windows handhelds a little bit irrelevant for me nowadays.
Nice device. Did the Steam Deck kick off the revolution of all these handheld pcs? I know Aya, Ayn, and Gpd have been around, but it seems like the deck is pushing these companies to be competitive.
To be honest I think that's a bit untrue. Arguably it was niche but it was still growing really fast with companies like GPD and Aya. The success of the Switch was also a big factor. So to say the growing interest is all thanks to Valve is rewriting history in my view.
@@johnduncan5117 I do think Valve had an effect on pricing. Prior to the steam deck, small Windows PCs were mostly up in the $1000 range. Companies seemed to think that if it's small and has controls and runs Windows, they could charge a lot of money for it. These devices may have existed anyway without the Steam Deck, but the prices probably would have been a lot higher. Also, from Valve's perspective any device that runs Steam OS isn't competition. They sell the Steam Deck at cost so that you'll buy their games. If another company makes a Steam OS handheld, Valve is completely happy for you to go buy it.
Great video, love these videos on the little handhelds you make reviews on. Because of you I plan on getting a Miyoo Mini sometime in the future :) I don't know if this is up your channel's alley but, I'd love a review from you on the GameSir X3 Type-C Controller that came out recently. They had an indiegogo campaign where they sold it for 39.99$ I believe which has ended, and it now costs 99.99$ as its retail price, so from that retail price alone it's totally fine if you don't want to make a review on it. I considered getting it myself during it's indiegogo campaign but I ultimately chose not to as I didn't know wheter or not the pass-through charging feature would work for my phone. Anyways keep it up! You're awesome.
Using winareo tweaker to disable all windows related tasks/ updates as well as disabling cortana and win defender should up your performance like crazy.
Owned rg351p and love it max, but anything after just doesn't appeal to me. We know anbernic sort of lost direction, more variety of devices than popcorn flavors
Same here, the lack of analog shoulder buttons and that dpad is a huge negative for me for a windows device? A gaming device that plays games other than 16bit? C'mon..
@@KyleRuggles I think it's also reflected in the performance. It struggles with some titles, and definitely doesn't match up to what the Steam Deck is capable of. So maybe that's why it's not analogue - it's not strong enough to emulate games that take advantage of those buttons.
No SD card slot, single channel ram and Anbernic have said to people it will be just over $300. Save your money for better handhelds coming later this year.
My dude, you are eyeballing the mesures but you have a ruler on the your mat/background. To be fair, you were pretty spot on on your guesses. Or maybe you where doing that and I'm just a prick. Cool video tho. I'm exited for the future of handheld computers.
My guess, as usual, is this product will be as most Ambenic's consoles have been for a couple years - an ok item; ok price; ok power and too little too late in all regards.
I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to upgrade the ram, like 16 gigs, not only that, but also with higher MHz (like 3000+ instead of the 2400MHz). Could you try to do it? BTW, do we know the price of that device now, or still no? My opinion, Anbernic will get humiliated again, a bit like what happened with the RP2+, but this time it's going to be by the Loki line of handhelds by AYN. Sure, the Win600 will be available first, but there is a reason others take their time to release a good product, instead of the "Anbernic way", which is rushing half baked products every 2 weeks! They have become what Powkiddy used to be, without understanding that Powkiddy devices worked because they were half or even 1/3 of the Anbernic equivalents' prices. You CANNOT do both... A single day of consultation during the Win600 prototype would have made it very clear that the thumbstick position was an issue. Things like that are evidences that a product is being rushed into market. Anyway, this device will live of die in relation to its asking price. If it is too much, JUST to have an already outdated device that you will use only a few months before getting one of the actually good pc handhelds that are coming out soon (or for the Steam Deck that you have been waiting for), it won't be worth it for most. If it is really cheap, yeah, it has a short window, but it could work... I wonder how Taki's review will be.
Yes, it is. ETA Prime added 16 GB of 3200 Mhz RAM, and the performance increase was almost linear on the GPU. GPU synthetic benchmarks were about 50% faster. If I get one of these (which is pretty likely) I will definitely add faster RAM almost immediately.
@@harleyn3089 Yeah dude I just finished watching his video! You are right, it is a game changer for that device, although thermals might be an issue, with no dual channels, etc. But since I do have a 16 gig ram module that I ended up not being able to use, it could be a good option for me, depending on the price (not sure how many MHz my module is though, I'll have to check). Otherwise, if the price is more than $200, with the price of a separate 16gig module, it probably won't make sense for most people. Especially with devices such as the Loki line coming up... But eh, if it's cheap (but it probably won't be), upgradability is always a good thing. I still believe that the price alone will be what will make or break this device.
Yeah/nah. Compared to the competition this is another lose by Anbernic. With that emulation (especially Windwaker) it's not even worth $200USD. $170-180 it might be worth it for some light gaming.
im stoked to see how the screen stacks up. somehow still feeling the pull of the 351mp and 552 despite having no real need for either just based on how good the screens are
It might not be your cup of tea, but I'm wondering if you could also add Darkest Dungeon and Slay the Spire to your tests (yeah I know those have Switch versions, but I play them with mods, so I always thought those are the kind of games that'd be perfect for low-budget handheld pc's).
I think a fair price would be between of 250 for the cheaper one and 280 usd for the 3050e version should be fair. Anything above that it's not going to be worth it unless you really need a device right now and don't care about the power of the device.
Anbernic should just start a monthly "new device" subscription service.
Don't give them bad ideas
I was gonna say it's not a bad idea, same goes with Aya and the 14 devices they'll be releasing soon
@@Steven-ph6pp aya has 6 new devices not 14 lmfao
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@@jeremymerry7967 damn bro thas crazy
No analog triggers, no dual channel ram, no micro sd card slot, too many questionable decisions for it to be a competitor for devices we have announced now
single channel RAM is a baffling decision imo, agree on the other 2 as well but just bottlenecking performance with single channel RAM will give you 0 good will points among enthusiasts and I don't think handheld x86 PCs are very mainstream just yet...
@@warlordwossman5722 the steam deck and the loki series seem ready for mainstream media tho.
You will get the loki or the deck atleast 6 months later but you can get this now.
@@shlokshah5379 I have a steam deck lol
Omg! It doesn't even have an sd card slot? WTF is going on with them? I rather use my Odin, game stream and have precise controls like.. analog triggers and a d-pad that's placed for more advanced games. That I3 Aya device in a few months looks to be killer.
Russ, I love your videos. No-nonsense, occasional humor, solid opinions. You report exactly what I want to know about devices. Keep doing what you do, good sir!
As always Russ great first look review.
I am very interested to see how they define "Budget" as well.
$299
for 299 i want ps2 and gamecube and ds at 85% compatible
@@yelnatspowerzz4970 ds is 99% compatible and NGC is 70% the Ayn Odin has similar performance metric in emulation and it can do PS2 with ather sx2 better than this can.
Anbernic would ask for 349 or 399 at least
@@danielrentube you won xD it's 399 for this model.
For a long time I thought that Anbernic had hit rock bottom with the RG552 due to the bad and unthought-out ergonomics of the handheld (shoulder buttons). But with the Win600, Anbernic has managed to repeat the SAME mistake with the bad ergonomics (using the stick and operating the shoulder buttons at the same time) and as if that wasn't bad enough, in my opinion Anbernic also demands a much too high and very cheeky one Price for the service offered. It almost seems to me as if Anbernic is trying to compensate for their previously unachieved sales and profit targets with each additional product through an even poorer price-performance ratio. And that WITHOUT even paying attention to the most important point of all: THE BUYER 🤷♂️ That the buyer really has a good feeling with the handheld in the end and that especially in relation to a reasonable and fair price. Anbernic has achieved this goal with the RG351 series. Now Anbernic only draws attention to embarrassing actions against Taki Undo. This is a very weak signal from Anbernic. Thanks for the effort 👍
I think the RG351 was the peak.
This is THE channel for reviews on hardware like this. I love it.
@@KAER989 We've also got ETAPrime and Taki Udon, they're all great.
meh. it's a great measurebating channel, and it's also a great mountians-from-molehills channel. basically taki's channel but with more chiptune... lol
i guess i'm just saying, russ is now on the "content gerbil wheel". he doesn't actually play retro games, he makes video reviews as advertising for retro game systems for profit. it's been a slow transition to this, but it really shows.
I can't believe Anbernic didn't go dual-channel on the ram.
And why the hell isn’t there a microSD card slot? Seems like a big omission to me.
I though they will have 4gb ram but I am suprised they got 8gb ram.
This is the perfect Anbernic analogy. Something obvious is always omitted.
As time goes by, I'm really starting to think it's not incompetence, but a will to sell incremental upgrades. Otherwise called milking their customers.
@@pranze3484 the Apple business model
Questionable specs and price aside, it just goes to show how far Anbernic has come!
I am guessing around $500. There are still people assuming it will cost around $300, but i am guessing somewhere around $500. I think the best deal is the Ayn Loki mini line of handhelds. They are all sub $300, run Windows, and are more powerful than this device.
Si avanzo mucho, pero el problemas es que se esta quedando muy atrás a diferencia de la competencia y encima los precios no ayudan en nada
@@chrisgullett4332 It's very difficult for me to believe that they are going to try to get $500 out of this machine, considering the specs and other devices available and coming soon. I would think $300 at most if they expect to sell any. (Edit: They might try and get $350 at first and then reduce it after other devices start to become available.)
@@chrisgullett4332 Anything over 200 its a fail due to the ayn loki mini coming out with better specs and only $239 celeron 7305 with 48 eu for the gpu it will completely destroy this dont know where you are getting 500 from
@@chrisgullett4332 They've gotta know what the competition has, as well as their announced pricing. Time will tell how competitive they choose to be with that info.
I'm so jealous right about now?
Keep up the good work Russ!
Russ once again with the excellent scoop. Keep it up brother.
As an emulation only device, this is interesting. However, I don't know if I'm willing to spend that kind of money on a device that can't play PS2 well. Might as well keep my SteamDeck reservation
As an emulation only device I'll buy an Odin instead.. 🤷♂
Steam Deck has some issues with PS2 emulation but I would still consider it playable. For example Need For Speed Most Wanted drops around 45fps when multiple cars are on screen.
@@glennshoemake4200 NFS MW 1 and 2 have native PC ports that should run flawlessly on the Deck. You just need to remap the gamepad to joystick/keyboard controls and you'll have the same experience.
@@glennshoemake4200 That's probably mostly due to software optimization or lack thereof because the hardware is more than capable of handling up to PS3 and Xbox 360.
Maybe Steam OS’s recent 40 FPS mode can help smooth out the PS2 emulation experience.
I don't know why but I really like watching your videos to chillout, your style has this "something". Keep up the good work!
ETA Prime added faster RAM and got a significant boost in GPU performance so it could potentially get better even with only single channel. Russ you might want to try that out too.
So Pumped!!!! love your content mate!!! mad props!
I want to see performance in old AAA games (when ps3/x360 were actual consoles)
I... really don't know what to make of these specs, it's astronomically slower than even the most basic Core i3 AYN Loki Mini will be, with again even lower efficiency (and therefore battery life), It's a 2020 Athlon running on Standard Zen, needless to say this chip doesn't hold a candle to any semi modern 7nm chip in any department.
So considering this and AYN's offerings i don't see the Win600 going anywhere if it costs even a fraction over 200$, which apparently it will at almost over 300$ WHAT, like if you just wanted a low power mobile game streamer, then do yourself a favor and just get the AYN Odin Lite! Unless you really need an x64 arch? But then just wait for Mendocino Handhelds or if you can, a Steam Deck.
Pah, not to mention, no micro sd card slot, no hdmi, no analog triggers, single port ram memory slot, i mean, really Anbernic? 300$ for almost no features?
iirc, the AYA NEO Air Plus is the unit with the i3. AYN only offers Mendocino and Intel 7505/8505 on their lower end Loki.
@@RandomPlaceHolderName the 8505 might just be called i3 without a P core. The P core itself will consume 3 watts under presure and for only having 12 watts max, the igpu might get like 2 or 3 watts for it own. Even with 15 watts as a tdp limit the igpu will get 4 watts at most. In the loki mini pro there is no power hungry P core so you will be giving 5 or 6 watts to the gpu. Most games on intel apus throttle on the igpu insted of cpu. It will peform better in the same tdps unless you want heavy ps3 emulation. Sorry for the text wall.
@@shlokshah5379 You're confused. 8505 has a P core. i3 has 2. But the biggest difference is the iGPU. 48EUs at 900mhz vs 64EUs at 1100mhz is going to be noticeable.
This is perfect and only $299
Ok I officially love the new muzak!!! Also you’re totally killing it man. Loving all the content.
Pricing will be the key for me, intriguing device, though! Thank you for your coverage!
Yeah, gotta be 200 or less. Anything higher just means buy a steam deck 64gb
It's looking like it will be just over $300
@mlg good luck waiting 9 months on your deck while we enjoy playing gameson our $299 win600
@@DJDanceClassic I'd rather wait for something good than buy this crap just because they released first. You don't see someone cooking a nice meal and then eat of out the dumpster.
@@DJDanceClassic I pre-ordered my deck in June 2021, and it arrived a week ago. Have fun paying 400 usd for a handheld that has single channel memory.
Interesting, looking forward to your full review, this device seems to have potential.
Love your videos man. Always top quality.
I’ve never seen a window shaker (AC unit) in a closet before….. that is pretty good
Great impressions video Russ!
yeah, i tried anbernic devices before! (only one the: 351P because of your review)
very good stuff and i planned to buy the win600 since i've first read about it!
thanks a lot for your review and for your content at all! love it!
I have been holding off on alot of these devices because I was waiting for solid PSP and gamecube emulation. That's what I want. This may be it. IS THE WAIT FINALLY OVER?!
The fact that this device struggles with PS2, NGC, and anything past mid-tier indie titles doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth. Anbernic keeps releasing "more powerful" devices, but the fact that they STILL can't make one that can play anything past PS1/N64 doesn't leave me optimistic for the future of the brand. I feel the only Anbernic devices worth investing in are the RG351V or the RG351MP, which are running on old and crusty chipsets. No one is buying Windows handhelds to be locked into PS1/N64 and below and indie games
I would buy one just to play old games like gta san Andreas or nfs etc
Russ does an amazing job with his reviews and tutorials videos, Anbernic is a good overall retro device, I own the RG351v and 351mp, they do a good job with custom firmware, however, now that Anbernic is stepping up their game with these new devices let's keep it real here, we're in 2022 and emulation games are from PS2, Gamecube etc, these games came out over 20 years ago and this device still struggles to emulate it perfectly, this is not good enough for price point I'm afraid. These new overprice retro devices need to match a minimum standard of nintendo switch or at the very least keep up with Ps3, Xbox 360 games without any issue, otherwise it's not really worth it I'm afraid.
With batocera you can emulate up to the wii u.
This is the first time I see your face Russ. It feels surreal.
Really like this, but I’ll still go for steamdeck, but competition is always good. Great video as always.
I like it too. I am going for the steam deck for myself too but I am maybe getting this till the steam deck is shipped in autumn/winter and then give this to my gf so she can play some games too on it
I have no idea why you'd buy this over the 8505 Loki or i3 AYA NEO Air Plus...
@@RandomPlaceHolderName Steamdeck is better.
@@mathisblair2798 Ok fanboy.
Because this one will be in your hands july 15th and those others ones not before xmas
You brighten my day, Thank you!
ETA Prime swapped the 8GB 2400MHz RAM module with a 16GB 3200MHz RAM one and got better performance. Just a heads up if you wanted to try and do the same! The m.2 SSD is also user upgradeable.
Also, your referral link to Anbernic’s website is broken. It takes me to the main site without your referral.
Oop.👀 I'll be watching that video next. Did he make a tutorial on it?
Updated the link, thanks. I'm torn on swapping out the RAM since that might give potential buyers a false sense of performance (and the added cost of getting new RAM). It feels like something I should do in a separate video, once I've reviewed the out-of-box experience.
@@kaitd3816 no, basically the same as Retro Game Corps. ETA’s full review to come later
@@RetroGameCorps very good point. It would be a lot of work, but you could test the toughest to run games on each higher end console with the included RAM then again with the faster RAM. Just a thought! However… your current video format/flow is near perfect so I wouldn’t want to mess with that
@@RetroGameCorps You could do it with an 8GB 3200MHz stick - they're cheap used, and you'd make most of the cost back by selling on the surplus stick. If you did get a decent boost in performance, I'd say definitely feature a comparison in your main review .
Very very nice in depth review !!! So well done. I also like that despite the good overview of the device there is going to be more in-depth testing to come. I'm interested to see more about this thing. The price very well could make or break what in general seems to be a pretty descent device.
Thank you for the great review Russ. I always enjoy your videos. Looks like a great handheld.
Anbernic: let the community fix our shit make our products better
HAHAHA I knew it !! $300 US BASE PRICE, in "sale" from $325 US (suuuuuure)
They AGAIN get absolutely demolished by the competition.
"Anbernic : Get Less for More" should be their company motto/tagline lol.
And it's not just a question of power VS price. The biggest issue is that you get a device rushed to market, that is badly designed, and unsupported. If most of your devices would be absolute trash without the community's hard work, well, there's a major problem.
I terms of quality and design issues, Anbernic has become similar to Powkiddy, with the huge difference that with the latter you get cheaper prices, so it makes sense. It's one or the other, not both.
It's almost insulting. In any cases, I think anyone still interested by this device should wait for Taki's review. He's a consultant for such devices in China. And more importantly, he's not afraid to be critical when there is a problem or if other devices are better in every ways for similar prices. All other reviewers are, to say the least, generally overly enthusiastic, even when the product is mediocre... They don't want to get blacklisted...
I'm super interested in this class of device: a cheap, light, long-battery-life Steam Deck. I'm not interested in playing Elder Ring on the go, but a Steam metroidvania indie handheld? Yes please! Very interested in seeing how this performs with SteamOS. I also wish it were smaller...
@@Walter5850 Just hoping. :) It's reasonable to assume that lower-power chips take less power...
@@Walter5850 Thanks for this info! Wish this had been in the review...
Horrible battery life guaranteed here.
If I hadn't gotten a Steam Deck already, I'd be very interested in this, it looks very very promising. SteamOS is absolutely going to be a fantastic option for pc handhelds like these, and if pricing is right this could be a great deck killer for those who can't get/don't need one.
Not a deck killer at all. The performance is fucking garbage. The loki looks more budget and more powerful.
@@cryengine_x lmao you sound so salty bro
For those trying to put the Win600 into perspective: it's essentially a modern revamp of the Win 2 (performance wise) in a less ergonomic wrapping with (hopefully) less hardware faults.
Russ they need to just hire you as a consultant so you can feedback on behalf of the community as to what we all want from a handheld device.
What I like the most about a x86 handheld is being able to play with achievements. On modern games like octopath traveler, there's a Switch version but Switch has no achievements system at all. And on retro games like metal slug, you can get Steam achievements offline unlike Retroachievements which needs an internet connection
That's exactly why I want one. I can play through Persona 3 Portable and 4 again on the Switch, but with zero achievements. Those are 100+ hour games.
I'm fine with it if I've never played a game before but with long games or something I'm replaying? Achievements are a must.
Things I wanted to know for the review is what features of Steam Os works. Like if suspend, TDP and Frame cap work.
I’ve recently got into playing a bunch of 2D platformers on steam and this thing looks like it would be great for me, if only I hadn’t preordered the Loki Max 😅.
I think you made the right choice
Oh yes, I love the sound and the graphic of this handheld 👍😃Greetings from RetroGameCity
I think out of the Box performance is really what we should always focus on. Many people like myself are able to spend their time and figure out how to adjust settings, but I really hate doing it and typically rely on out of the Box performance.
I think there is a place for focusing on multiple use cases. There are people for whom the out of the box experience is the only thing that matters because they are not interested in doing any tweaking. There are people who are interested in really digging in and doing some in-depth tweaking and optimization to wring the absolute most that they can out of the hardware. And there are people in the middle, who might be willing to install a custom firmware image or set up a launcher as part of their initial setup, but don't want to do any long-term tweaking beyond that. I largely find myself in the last category personally, but all are valid perspectives and I think Russ usually does a good job of addressing all of them.
Ive read that if you replace the ram thats coming with the win600 with a one that has 3200 mhz can improve emulation and pc games extremely. The GPU gets a big boost.
The joystick placement is a huge deal breaker for me.
This is the era of Handheld console, bring PC game with high graphic to your pocket.
Yes! New video
best channel to watch review and device in take. everybody must do this quality videos. use mic volume up at the video editor so that there is no hassle to pump my volume up to 60-100%. be like this guy high quality videos 💪👍👍
When I saw this video pop up, I thought, "No, why did I just order the 353?!" But after watching, I'm glad I did and will stick to my phone and Razer Kishi for larger screen handheld gaming. Thanks again for your great videos.
I’m on the road when I got this notification. Hopefully I can watch the entire video before the wifi disappears 😅
Now I am invested did you finish watching.... before the wifi disappeared
@@tanmaypanadi1414 I only got to watch less than half way through before the video couldn’t load 😭 but I finished it now lol
This latest flood of larger handhelds is kinda overwhelming if you are looking for something in that niche, guess if I was, I'd just wait and see until something pulls ahead more clearly. So far, I'd say only the miyoo mini, ayn loki and the steamdeck looks attractive in their respective brackets
We have the same Usb C hub 🤣 great video as always Russ
This looks really interesting, but with the Steam Deck supposedly picking up their production pace I think I would need to pass on this
Ugh I want to order this NOW!
Based on the performance I feel like the price should be cheaper than the loki mini handhelds or at least similar price
This looks like it's about equivalent to the Odin pro performance wise without the windows 11 arm headaches. If it's $299 and actually starts shipping on July 5 Anbernic could have its first win in a while.
Yes, $299 and half july in our hands
After using the Steam Deck... the next portable gaming device I'll buy will be none other than Steam Deck 2! 😌
Love these short unboxing videos 😁 if I considered it only on specs (including that single channel ram), I'd definitely be very disappointed. After this video though, all comes down to price and further tests, but it doesn't look like it can do much more than Odin for now, in a much bigger footprint and probably with worse battery life.
Yeah it has a battery life worse than the Odin and even the Odin can run Skyrim at 20~30fps.
i understand who (like me) prefers a device for gaming… but i also have a backbone and high end smartphone and honestly it is a great solution
One thing to note is that upgrading the RAM to 3200 MHz has a very significant effect on performance. It's still not as good as it could have been with dual channel, but it's a lot better (by what I've seen a 30-50% improvement in performance).
Awesome early impressions. Your videos are great.
One of the things I'm looking for in a windows handheld is a device to help me with my Steam unplayed list, lol. So I'd be interested in a review that touches on 2000-2010 era AA or AAA games. Things like Tomb Raider, Arkham Asylum, Fable 3, Bioshock, Borderlands 2, etc.
I agree totally. I want to play the Arkham trilogy and the middle Tomb Raider trilogy (Legend, Anniversary, Underworld) on something like this.
Anbernic has Tomb Raider 2013 in one of their demo videos, so it should be playable. I trust their demo videos a lot less than an outside reviewer though, so I'd like to see how 2010 era AAA games run, like you said.
Might have to give this a serious look since my Odin is taking so long to ship out. Can’t wait for your in-depth video!
Cheers Russ, looking forward to the full review and price reveal. Oh and battery life too, kinda crucial. I know someone who likes white handhelds if you want to move it on later .... :)
Great Video thanks. Hopefully the price will be around 200-300USD and spent a little more in upgrading the ram to 16GB (*single channel ) will make this an awesome emulation gadgets.
Still no analog shoulder buttons, for a windows device, this isn't right. How would I play my racing games? Do they not like analog shoulder buttons for some reason? This is the main reason why I wouldn't buy this thing over upcoming devices. And why would they put the Dpad up top? For a retro gaming console 32bit and below I can kinda understand but for any new games? Why??? I'm looking forward to that Aya Air Plus with the I3 processor over this. I saw ETA's video on that I3 processor and it can play Wii-U and PS3!
I got an Odin and I can gamestream my games and have an analog shoulder buttons and play wii and gamecube faster than this! lol..
For such an old company, they should be putting out something better than this. Great video Russ, but Anbernic is really falling behind.
Hey Russ, I would love to see the deep dive before the release date! I know thats not a ton of time, so maybe a split two part video for each operating system.
Terrible placement of thumbsticks.
IMHO.
That said, curious to see how your more in depth view goes.
Also curious how the support and community are around these devices.
You should have pulled out the RGB10 Max 2 when comparing the stacked trigger buttons and analog sticks.
Great job!
Thanks for throwing in Half-life2! Ergonomics have me feeling tentative.
Why are the ergonomics not the MOST important feature of these portable devices is always beyond me... Nothing matters (performance,screen etc...) if I get cramps and pain after 30 min of playing. Also now when Steam deck is here for 400$ (if u can find it :D) these weaker devices need to be a lot cheaper.
Agreed! They're such an old company, you'd think they'd put out better devices than new ones like Aya or Ayn.. No analog shoulder buttons? Dpad up top for a windows device? Why?? lol.
right.. this should the thing that's talked about the most... it doesn't matter if this could run cyberpunk at a 100 fps if the ergonomics are bad and u can't even enjoy playing the game then it's a failed product. I own the 552 and using the analog sticks and the triggers is an absolute nightmare. Also a lot of people are hoping this will be a budget option.. it won't the 552 is around 200 usd so this will definitely be priced much higher. anbernic always overprices their products.
Because they take an example of the switch. That thing is even worse
Looks promising! Depends on the price but this might be a contender for me
Man, that analog placement is a nightmare if you're thinking about playing any dual analog game!
Just seems so uncomfortable pressing the triggers while holding the sticks!
Hey Russ,
There really is no reason to buy the Win600 anymore because Ayn leaked the Loki Zero this morning! It has the same processor (Amd 3050), dual channel ram, SD card expansion and all for $100 less! The Loki Zero will also be available for purchase on Aliexpress and Amazon soon! The Win600 was destroyed before they even sold one😂 Nobody who can still think straight will buy the Win600!
things like GeForce Now and Stadia and how good it's the emulation scene in android are letting this Windows handhelds a little bit irrelevant for me nowadays.
Nice device. Did the Steam Deck kick off the revolution of all these handheld pcs? I know Aya, Ayn, and Gpd have been around, but it seems like the deck is pushing these companies to be competitive.
To be honest I think that's a bit untrue. Arguably it was niche but it was still growing really fast with companies like GPD and Aya. The success of the Switch was also a big factor. So to say the growing interest is all thanks to Valve is rewriting history in my view.
@@johnduncan5117 I do think Valve had an effect on pricing. Prior to the steam deck, small Windows PCs were mostly up in the $1000 range. Companies seemed to think that if it's small and has controls and runs Windows, they could charge a lot of money for it.
These devices may have existed anyway without the Steam Deck, but the prices probably would have been a lot higher.
Also, from Valve's perspective any device that runs Steam OS isn't competition. They sell the Steam Deck at cost so that you'll buy their games. If another company makes a Steam OS handheld, Valve is completely happy for you to go buy it.
Great video, love these videos on the little handhelds you make reviews on. Because of you I plan on getting a Miyoo Mini sometime in the future :) I don't know if this is up your channel's alley but, I'd love a review from you on the GameSir X3 Type-C Controller that came out recently. They had an indiegogo campaign where they sold it for 39.99$ I believe which has ended, and it now costs 99.99$ as its retail price, so from that retail price alone it's totally fine if you don't want to make a review on it. I considered getting it myself during it's indiegogo campaign but I ultimately chose not to as I didn't know wheter or not the pass-through charging feature would work for my phone. Anyways keep it up! You're awesome.
Using winareo tweaker to disable all windows related tasks/ updates as well as disabling cortana and win defender should up your performance like crazy.
Owned rg351p and love it max, but anything after just doesn't appeal to me. We know anbernic sort of lost direction, more variety of devices than popcorn flavors
It's a shame that these don't have analogue inputs. Would have been something worth considering.
Same here, the lack of analog shoulder buttons and that dpad is a huge negative for me for a windows device? A gaming device that plays games other than 16bit? C'mon..
@@KyleRuggles I think it's also reflected in the performance. It struggles with some titles, and definitely doesn't match up to what the Steam Deck is capable of. So maybe that's why it's not analogue - it's not strong enough to emulate games that take advantage of those buttons.
We really have to thank whoever made steam os let's send that cup a coffee
No SD card slot, single channel ram and Anbernic have said to people it will be just over $300.
Save your money for better handhelds coming later this year.
My dude, you are eyeballing the mesures but you have a ruler on the your mat/background. To be fair, you were pretty spot on on your guesses. Or maybe you where doing that and I'm just a prick. Cool video tho. I'm exited for the future of handheld computers.
My guess, as usual, is this product will be as most Ambenic's consoles have been for a couple years - an ok item; ok price; ok power and too little too late in all regards.
It looks like they are a bit early this time with most of these devices comming at the end of the year and this will ship this week.
I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to upgrade the ram, like 16 gigs, not only that, but also with higher MHz (like 3000+ instead of the 2400MHz). Could you try to do it?
BTW, do we know the price of that device now, or still no?
My opinion, Anbernic will get humiliated again, a bit like what happened with the RP2+, but this time it's going to be by the Loki line of handhelds by AYN. Sure, the Win600 will be available first, but there is a reason others take their time to release a good product, instead of the "Anbernic way", which is rushing half baked products every 2 weeks! They have become what Powkiddy used to be, without understanding that Powkiddy devices worked because they were half or even 1/3 of the Anbernic equivalents' prices. You CANNOT do both...
A single day of consultation during the Win600 prototype would have made it very clear that the thumbstick position was an issue. Things like that are evidences that a product is being rushed into market.
Anyway, this device will live of die in relation to its asking price. If it is too much, JUST to have an already outdated device that you will use only a few months before getting one of the actually good pc handhelds that are coming out soon (or for the Steam Deck that you have been waiting for), it won't be worth it for most. If it is really cheap, yeah, it has a short window, but it could work...
I wonder how Taki's review will be.
Yes, it is. ETA Prime added 16 GB of 3200 Mhz RAM, and the performance increase was almost linear on the GPU. GPU synthetic benchmarks were about 50% faster. If I get one of these (which is pretty likely) I will definitely add faster RAM almost immediately.
@@harleyn3089 Yeah dude I just finished watching his video! You are right, it is a game changer for that device, although thermals might be an issue, with no dual channels, etc. But since I do have a 16 gig ram module that I ended up not being able to use, it could be a good option for me, depending on the price (not sure how many MHz my module is though, I'll have to check). Otherwise, if the price is more than $200, with the price of a separate 16gig module, it probably won't make sense for most people. Especially with devices such as the Loki line coming up...
But eh, if it's cheap (but it probably won't be), upgradability is always a good thing.
I still believe that the price alone will be what will make or break this device.
Yeah/nah. Compared to the competition this is another lose by Anbernic. With that emulation (especially Windwaker) it's not even worth $200USD. $170-180 it might be worth it for some light gaming.
I wouldn't buy this deviced if it didn't have the Dpad above the analog stick. This is perfect for me.
Exactly, real gamers like us want the dpad ABOVE !
I'm going for a budget x86 handheld, I'll wait for the Mendocino handhelds that are coming at the end of the year.
Great... depend on the cost I might buy it. Still waiting for the TMNT port for Portmaster... 😋
Russ: the coolest geek to rule them all
im stoked to see how the screen stacks up. somehow still feeling the pull of the 351mp and 552 despite having no real need for either just based on how good the screens are
It might not be your cup of tea, but I'm wondering if you could also add Darkest Dungeon and Slay the Spire to your tests (yeah I know those have Switch versions, but I play them with mods, so I always thought those are the kind of games that'd be perfect for low-budget handheld pc's).
They've gotta up their analog stick game.
Understanding that PlayStation 2 is very limited at this time, how would a game like Gran Turismo 4 play?
Customers: "I want stacked shoulders, I can't reach the L2/R2 on the RG562!"
Anbernic: "Fine, let's see you reach them now! MwaaaahAAAAHAAAA!"
Thank you for all your videos, what’s your favorite or the best handheld pc gaming device so far?
The hyperlink to ambernic’s website is broken in the description. Thanks for keeping up the vids!
I like the sewing machine in the back
I'm assuming this won't be available anytime soon, since it's not listed on their page yet? We can't call it budget if there's no price!!
Release date is early July.
I think a fair price would be between of 250 for the cheaper one and 280 usd for the 3050e version should be fair. Anything above that it's not going to be worth it unless you really need a device right now and don't care about the power of the device.