Anbernic Win600 In-Depth Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 มิ.ย. 2024
- The Anbernic Win600 goes on sale starting tomorrow, so here is my final, in-depth review of the device after spending a week with it. It can play Windows 10/11, SteamOS, and Batocera with some impressive results, but is it worth between $300 and $400?
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Timestamps:
00:00 introduction
02:30 specs and pricing
04:54 overclocking the RAM
07:30 software resources
08:31 Windows PC game testing
11:15 Windows emulation (PS2 & Switch)
12:43 Batocera setup
13:42 Batocera testing
22:42 SteamOS testing
24:50 RAM upgrade & streaming
27:45 summary (likes & dislikes)
31:13 price & competition discussion
36:40 conclusion
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This video has opened my eyes to Batocera. It's mind bogglingly better for emulation.
me too!
The phawx didn't know about batocera. That's a good one.
The difference isn’t usually this stark, but I’m very thankful for it!
I still can't justify getting this but Batocera took it from no way in hell to a serious consideration (even if only a short one).
I wonder if it's worth pretty much sticking with batocera since I believe it's possible to get PC game runnings on it through proton, even if it isn't as straight forward as steamOS
That battery life is giving me serious Game Gear vibes. 🤣😬
Great video as always!
All stuff and no fluff
Love your vids Mr. Sujano!
You must make a video about all the pc emulator!
This is why the Switch will continue to sell well, possibly for another five years
I suppose bad GG battery vibes are a little better than Turbo Express or Nomad vibes.
Dude, your videos get more and more impressive as you go. The breakdown at the end of this compared to the upcoming devices is exactly what I needed. You're truly a wizard at your craft. Appreciate the amazing content.
I know the Deck is definitely under priced, but being $400 makes this a hard sell. I know they have to make a profit, but the Deck really disrupted the market. Great video!
If only you could buy one.
@@rjsmith2007 you could. i actually pre-ordered one, but let my purchase window slide, because i just couldn't justify the price in the end.
@@gehtdinichtsan309 Pre-order != buy. But yea I'm over the Steam Deck after the delays. I'm tired of pre-ordering and waiting a year or so for a device. This one is available now without pre-ordering. I can order it today and it'll arrive in a couple weeks from China.
Give it 10 years... we'll all be middle aged but damn our hand held gaming will be great.
@@rjsmith2007 I have a Deck. it's a great device. I think nothing can beat it for the price.
One thing im very impressed, not Win600 related, is how good batocera has become! Ill have to set up a USB stick with it!
At $300, I might've thought about it (waiting months for my Odin, along with SteamDeck). But $400? No way.
Thank you thank you thank you for the comparisons. That last few minutes were so helpful. Still going to wait for my Steam Deck and my Loki. However the air looks very tempting. As always, an amazing video!
Great coverage on Batocera. Really impressed by how well it did with higher-end emulation (even 3DS and WiiU), but you're right, AYA Neo Air Plus will be a much better deal. A year ago, this would have been a done deal.
I'm excited to see what kind of Batocera machine we'll have a year from now :)
@@RetroGameCorps does batocera support touchscreen (for DS/3ds) on this or similar devices?
@@samh5886 it does not but I’ve been told that it is in the works.
so, compare with WIN 4, which one is better?
*"AYA Neo Air Plus will be a much better deal."*
Damn, this did not age well... like milk from the Jurassic Period.
Made myself a cup of tea and finding a comfortable spot to watch - looking forward to this one!
Thanks for the review and info on the other console options.
I appreciate all these videos and the work that goes into it all! Thanks so much
Been waiting for this video :) Thanks for such a thorough review.
I appreciate this thoughtful review! I'm honestly a little annoyed that the market keeps getting saturated with devices that are this odd overpriced middle ground. It makes it really hard for people new to emulation devices like me, to feel confident in choosing. If I didn't know about your channel I'd be screwed trying to figure it out on my own! It'd be so much easier if the market was easily divisible by budget models, mid-grade models, premium models. I see some comments saying steam deck was underpriced which I actually didn't know, so I can see how that disrupted the market, but aside from that anomaly I think most would agree there's just far too many devices to choose from that often lack essential parts for performance, etc. Just some random two cents. 😅
I think that there are less of these devices! More competion means there will be more value for money. Before there was only gpd and aya which used to sell this over 1200$. Now even with top of the line specs the loki max with 6800u costs only800$. There is more confusion in the pc space
@@shlokshah5379 I guess for someone in my position who grew up gaming on consoles (we had pcs too but weren't super into PC gaming til I got older) it seems like a lot and like it's pretty confusing and convoluted to distinguish between them. It also doesn't make sense to me to compare this to the PC market, this is clearly trying to compete with handheld gaming devices and makes more sense to me to compare it to handheld consoles. PCs have a million different uses outside of gaming which is why it can be so confusing and hard to choose.
Yes but it's a few $100 more. If this can perform x86 retro gaming into the early 00's I think plenty of people would be happy with that plus console emulation. This would be the first affordable x86 retro gaming option, the question is whether it's worth buying this over a $400 laptop depending on the sorts of games you wanna run, and whether the Windows power creep is gonna be so bad that this thing is underpowered in a year as Windows continues to eat up resources.
Even less of an issue with SteamOS and Linux support.
It's like comparing the Ayn Odin to the Retroid Pocket - definitely different units for different users.
@@randzopyr1038 Yeah that's really insightful and makes a lot of sense to me, thanks for sharing that perspective!
@@Lilacs4 honestly I don’t know what you ended up buying but getting the base steamdeck for $400 plus tax and then 500 Gb as for more games is the perfect expierience besides making a 400 dollar pc for steam os and then getting a retro controller
I want to get this myself but still on the wall about it, I enjoy mobile gaming more then console or sitting at my PC but spending over $1000 for any of the other two I am on the fence about (Steam Deck, AyaNeo) & would love this to be as best as it can be until I decide to fork out a weeks pay on the others. I like that you took it apart & did a thorough review deep diving into it all! The insides are the most important to myself I have never seen an SSD so small! Awesome review!
Fantastic video!! Extremely informative thank you brotha! You're ABSOLUTELY killing it, in the quality/well-spoken category. ❤ Mad respect.
I love my Odin but was leaning Air Plus for the 1215U, I had no idea AYN added the 1215u as an option till this video, placed my order for Loki right away!
A lot of people rag on the Win600 but in reality it's not a totally bad handheld. I bought the lower spec one and just use it for light steam gaming with older titles. The good thing about this handheld, is the comfort factor in which it doesn't feel like you're holding a mini skateboard (still love the steam deck though). Also instead of you trying to go through hoops to install windows, It's already included on the handheld. I have it, while not better than the steam deck, I still like it. It feels great to play xbox gamepass and ps plus premium on it.
How is the screen compared to the steam deck? I enjoyed the deck but omg the ghosting on the screen and the washed colours made it unusable for me so i just sold it off.
@@mdo I would say it's worse on the win 600. Display wise
Man, I really love your channel. Your production quality and commitment to detail is so good. Even though I know I'm not in the market for this $400 device I still find these videos really interesting. Keep it up dude!
How old are you dude?
@@kidsaresodelicious9666 Why do you ask dude?
@@scrub_jay Just asking my dude
@@kidsaresodelicious9666 Seems a random question haha. I'm 30. How old are you?
@@scrub_jay nice, me too more than 30 hehe
Great review, exactly what I was looking for. Thanks, Russ.
Thank you. I always wondered what "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" meant.
Thank you for showing Grim Dawn. It's one of my favorite games (played nearly 500h).
I hope you test other devices with this game in future, too.
I'm in the 11th minute and will continue watching right now 😁
Got mine - thanks for the video, Russ!
Your so smooth when talking, improvise more on the way and keep up the good job, love your performance bruh.
thanks for great explanation and comparison..please do this everytime you have new device:)
This batocera demo was really helpful. If I were choosing today between Odin and Win600, I would choose the latter. The fact that I already own an Odin makes it a bit tougher choice. Kinda curious if battery life is still two hours for emulation gamecube and older. Also wish I knew if the weaker model was still good for those consoles. Oh well, time to think.
Great and detailed Video! Thanks for the review!
Really balanced and detailed review Russ! I’m sort of tempted to try out the 3020 for $299 since my use case is as an upgrade to my RG503 for emulation plus low end PC Gamepass and PC indie games that have been a pain to get working on my steam deck. The battery life and analog stick placements are the biggest hurdles for me aside from the price. But as you said, having something that will ship soon is a major plus. Guess I’ll sleep on it till July 5th!
Perhaps if it had a bigger battery life, and was $250~$300 I might've thought about it, especially since we don't know if AYN and Ayaneo will deliver, but with what we're given, it's a hard sell. I can see myself using one if I had one, but I wouldn't buy one.
But Ayaneo is almost 3x the price lol
No, your information is outdated. Check out the Aya Neo Air Plus, which was announced recently. It will be much stronger than this and even cheaper.
Same goes for the upcoming AYN Loki.
@@clausjahnel5379 Very interesting. The Loki looks promising but 4gb of ram and the low storage options are eh.
Ive been waiting for your review!!! I was reallly wishing the 3050e version was $300. such a shame
It's $375 on their website
Thanks Russ, placed an order for myself.
I live in a region that does not have Steam Deck availability yet. Intending to use this as an immediately purchasable first step towards the world of PC handhelds.
Expect to replace this down the road with an AYN or the elusive Steam Deck, so I'll enjoy what I can get my hands on for now.
For those comparing prices, a 64GB variant Deck in my local grey/reseller market goes up to 5 times the cost of a win600. (Yes, I can get scalped for 1800usd thereabouts if I wanted to.)
The only thing that really stands out about this device is the USB A port; otherwise it's utterly unimpressive IMO. It feels like the only lesson Anbernic learned was "dpad on top= premium" from the RG 350 days, and they've been committed to that ever since, ignoring most ergonomic improvements.
Well, I hope they don't mind going down as a company. There's only one or two ambernic devices that ever appealed to me and this aint one of em.
Realmente que interesante la review, tan completa que colocó como ajustar la frecuencia de la RAM en la BIOS.
No conocía los futuros lanzamiento de esas consolas Loki o AyaNeo pero como dijo al final, todo estos futuros lanzamientos están en papel y nisiquiera hay prototipos así que de momento hay que aguantarse.
Gracias por el video, resultó muy útil
In the future, I hope you can include some Retro PC Games in your tests! As a 90s and 00s PC games player, I think especially with this kind of device (I pre-ordered an AYN Loki Mini Pro) I'm most excited to jump into games like the Jedi Knight Series, Liero, Soldat, C-Dogs, Worms Armageddon and Deus Ex!
Great video mate, keep 'em comin' - this is a tough sell, compared to the Deck but lots of promise for the future. Very Exciting.
To say that I rabbit holed this channel since around... Christmas or so, and am now putting ArkOS on my recently obtained RG351P, this is where it ends up. A steam deck alternative and emulation into the harder stuff.
Thanks again for all the videos, much appreciated.
loved your review and guide
Great video. Ambernic up against a lot of competition these days but this is likely to be actually available
Thanks so much for the video!! The price is high indeed, but again like you said - it's available now with all its flaws unlike the other comparison devices you have mentioned in the video with so many unknown. Considering its price & use case, i might just buy the lower priced 3020e. That should satisfy me until SteamDeck is available here in Australia. Thanks again for the video!! So so so helpful!!! 🙏
Wow! I just checked both links the website and Aliexpress. The Anbernic Win600 sold out both editions!
I kind of want one, looks awesome.
And the price sucks BUT that price might be the one thing that'll keep it in stock, unlike the Deck and Odyn and every other better spec handheld that you just can't buy right now.
The sale went live and I ordered mine. look forward to seeing it soon. Like I commented before, plan to play mostly indies when I don't feel like sitting at my PC to play games. I even wonder a bit on how well streaming higher end games from my PC will run.
Nice! Ordered mine too just now - coming from AU where there's no steamdeck and use case for just playing Indie Games.
@@QmOt89 unfortunate that steam deck isn't available. I just don't like the large of a device. I do traveling for photography and staying at locations, something with my games on it that a bit slimmer would be nice. Yeah price isn't great, but I can buy it and maybe play it soon. Also I order that high end steam deck and started to regret it later on.
Great review and I hope I get for Christmas this year if don’t get the steam deck for Christmas this year
Great video, it sold me to order on day one & 6 days later had it in my hands in the UK. Interested in upping the ram to a 3200mhz. Would going 16gb be worth considering vs the 8gb? Love all your videos I'm a big fan in your honesty & deep dives into what these devices can achieve.
For a long time I thought that Anbernic had hit rock bottom with the RG552 due to the bad and unthought-out ergonomics of the handheld (shoulder buttons). But with the Win600, Anbernic has managed to repeat the SAME mistake with the bad ergonomics (using the stick and operating the shoulder buttons at the same time) and as if that wasn't bad enough, in my opinion Anbernic also demands a much too high and very cheeky one Price for the service offered. It almost seems to me as if Anbernic is trying to compensate for their previously unachieved sales and profit targets with each additional product through an even poorer price-performance ratio. And that WITHOUT even paying attention to the most important point of all: THE BUYER 🤷♂️ That the buyer really has a good feeling with the handheld in the end and that especially in relation to a reasonable and fair price. Anbernic has achieved this goal with the RG351 series. Now Anbernic only draws attention to embarrassing actions against Taki Undo. This is a very weak signal from Anbernic. Thanks for the effort 👍
It's a little big - passed on the 552 for the same reason - but the main reason I'm not ordering one right now is that analog stick placement. IMO the main purpose of this thing isn't the early-system emulation, there are lighter and cheaper devices for that, but the Steam gaming. That means using the analog sticks a lot. The placement/ergonomics of those are a make-or-break factor for an x86 handheld.
It's important to recognize that battery life on a x86 handheld is always going to be a trade-off against size and performance. I'd rather have a smaller device, and that means I'd have to use it plugged in a lot. That's just the fact of x86, none of the other devices are going to be any better without also being much thicker and heavier. That's not Anbernic's fault, that's just how it is.
Reality check, guys: I ordered Ayn Odin back in January and Steam Deck a full YEAR AGO and still haven’t received either! However, I WAS able to get one of these within 10 days of ordering. There’s nothing wrong with buying a device that is attainable from a manufacturer that knows what it’s doing to keep its supply chain operating efficiently! If I EVER get my Steam Deck I’ll just re-sell the Win600 on eBay and probably make a bit of a profit. This strategy has worked very well for me in the past.
I think this is the realistic application of the win600: a stopgap. Play around with it while waiting for a more powerful device, then sell it afterward. It's just simply not worth the price tag as a main device.
@@vsm351 I sold my GPD Win 2 in order to get this. Definitely a worthy upgrade. Hopefully I’ll hear from Valve one of these days!!
@@allenfrisch
Did you get your steam deck and sell the win 600?
@@fonzitheman Yes, I did!
Love the review. Incredible as always, Russ. I can’t help but feel short changed though seeing how you didn’t test out the higher speed ram at 16gb. Would that have made a more noticeable difference in performance?
that cpu cant handle more than 3200mhz as far as i know, so no difference there. and also the games he tested dont use more than 8gb, so no difference in that department either.
@@ewerton8463 I understand 3200mhz is the max speed, but it doesn’t sound accurate to me that doubling the ram wouldn’t have made a difference. In any computer I’ve ever owned, the single best upgrade I’ve done is adding ram. Now I’m even more curious.
@@mvanalst2003 the games that require more than 8gb of ram wont run at all on this device, its pointless to use 16gb. maybe there's one or two exceptions, but you get the idea
I really like your intro and editing.
Thank you!
Awesome coverage on this device!~ I also put in an order for the Loki Zero, since that dual channel RAM is going to be massive here and the price point is 10x more attractive. Waiting's gonna suck though...
Also, I just wanna comment on one thing - that Intel chip (1215U) is NOT going to be as good for gaming as you might think. The UHD graphics aren't all that capable and with these devices we are definitely running into a GPU bottleneck instead of a CPU one, so you won't see much of a practical performance gain. There are videos on YT that demonstrate that a Vega 3 APU (like the 3050e) is pretty much on-par with a 12th gen Intel chip at way higher TDP levels. Windows handhelds using Intel chips will turn out to be a trap, lemme tell ya~
The upcoming AMD Mendocino architecture on the other hand... If it's not much more expensive, it should give a nice little performance boost, especially with that LPDDR5-6400 RAM and RDNA2 GPU. Shouldn't cost more than 300$ though, because we're getting too close to the Steam Deck otherwise.
Thank you for the review! That's too expensive for me. Gonna wait it out
Borked controls notwithstanding, you're right - this thing, I can order now and it'll be here in August. The steam deck, which I've reserved back in November, still hasn't even *started* to ship where I live.
Great review! Missed the chicken break though…
One thing not mentioned is that the Steam Deck can be repaired and you can upgrade parts like the screen later if you get the lower model.
For me, I'm waiting for the retroid pocket 3, hoping they'll (not fix) but improve upon things I'm looking for, my nostalgia comes from the saturn, n64, dream cast and ps2 era. Allthough I play a lot of older games, having an affordable handheld that can push the later titles well is high on my list, here's to the retroid pocket 3 having an offset thumb stick design, over 5 inch screen and the same processor from the x18s and all the things they've learnt from the pocket 2 plus.
Awesome!
Off Topic.
You have the same voice/speed and tone as LevelCap. (another youtuber)
LOL.
Keep with this amazing good reviews! thxxx
Amazing video as always. I just can't bring myself to buying this for the price. Also as for Ayn I'm on the fence with them as something doesn't sit right with them the backlog and trying to sell more then they can produce. I'll wait for my email from steam and just wait for Anbanic to do a small pocketable device that can do all my retro games up to GC full speed because I still like there stuff and don't mind paying the money if it's does what I need.
Thanks for the video Russ. I'm currently setting up my Odin Pro with LaunchBox on a 1TB SD, so I'm now wondering, if solely for emulation, would you rather get an Odin Pro or a Win600? And which one is generally faster, more powerful?
2 hours of battery life, No Micro SD Card Slot, and sub par ps2 performance. THATS ALL I GET FOR $400?! Yeah thanks but no thanks!
I was about to get this off Facebook marketplace for cheap but didn't know this. Not having micro sd is absolutely stupid and a deal breaker
It's been awhile but the 8GB and 256gb version is about $250 now.
@alexandercatterson223 I'd say it's been while the original comment was over a year ago and your trying to compare the price now?
If you didn't want to pay $400 for the 50e then you could of got the 300 dollar one if you really want one. Or just get a steam deck that is actually justified paying over a couple hundred bucks.
I understand now the prices are a Good bit cheaper but still wouldn't buy this over a steam deck or psvita honestly...
Ugh. I was so sold on it. Thank you for the info! I’m really looking for something that can play god of war 1-3, need for speed most wanted, and some old sonic games
Great video. please can you test Ori and the will of the wisps ? Thank you in advance!
That’s an expensive device comparing it to a steamdeck which is further developed and finetuned. The steamdeck also has a lot of options for emulation or running windows. Still I’m glad to see there are still new devices being added to the list!
The catch there is that the Steamdeck isn't available worldwide, so it's not even an option for a lot of people. Kind of seems like Anbernic is aware of this and thinks they can get away with charging more for a weak system because there aren't many other choices for people outside the US.
Steam deck also doesn’t exist unless you ordered early
@@Mars0War well I think the biggest thing is that ambernic just can't afford to loose money on their umpc unlike valve which is why the deck will always have a higher price to power ratio unless they do some serious production magic
Taking a Linux handheld and installing Windows on it..... Tsk tsk.
@@blacksamuraisoffendme bro I'd wait 6 months for a steam deck to deliver before I bought this cheap device.
How's it going man love your video on reviews of these new era of emulators and I'm from the older era of emulators like modded xbox and modded Dream cast modded psp not that savy in all the names of hardware etc so in order to buy this handheld I have to buy batocera separately or does it come with it?
Russ is the best, thank you man!
Where do you think we are heading towards?
First we had the opendingux era were all OEMs were tweaking their devices and searching their main goal. Then we had the "RK3326" where OEMs were just working with what they had, so they tried to compete just with price and ergonomics. We had some devices where this wasn't the norm, so they became kinda trend setters, like the OG RP2 and TrimUI or the V90, so OEMs were still trying to do something different. Then we had the Android era (sweet but short), with some Android devices like the RP2+ and Odin, but then users faced the fact that this hobby wasn't just pick up and play and you needed to set up everything first. But the Steam deck was announced and now we are into the Windows era, where we still need some know-how to set up everything and most likely what you learned previously will fall short because you will need to know more. OEMs are most likely going to battle with price, but CPUs are not cheap so they will try to cut corners again, like what happened with the RAM on this case. So some are going to battle with specs, but we will have so many options on a niche, when that happens usually some not going to be able to keep up they will try to find their base again, so I expect that some experimentation will happen. But the companies that know what to release to attack one specific user base will probably endure, the same that go only for price (like powkiddy). So, what do you think will happen? What will happen after the Windows era? I'd love to hear your thoughts. We will see products that will aim to go outside the niche?
I'm hoping we get a wave of RK3588 devices, because that chip is quite amazing compared to all other Rockchips. I do hope we continue to get devices that ship with a lightweight Linux like Batocera or EmuElec. Not everything needs a full Windows or Android OS. Having one just increases the RAM requirements really significantly.
I actually hope Windows handhelds are a niche within a niche, and don't become dominant in this space. I feel the same about SteamOS actually. We don't need Microsoft or Valve controlling the OS that's used for open handhelds IMO.
the next wave is definitely handheld pcs considering all the really powerful SoCs coming out soon. We just need more major players to get into it like razer / msi so we wouldn't have to rely so much on the Chinese market.
problem is they're cutting corners while also charging premium
I hope it opens up MORE Linux devices like the steamdeck itself because f*** windows and bill gates and all that spyware.
I'd just be happy with another anberelec os device powerful enough to run up to switch. I don't really need to play any windows games.
I prefer using my PC for that... and I just hate using a mouse with a gamepad.
I mean, it's a personal opinion of course, but I think even Valve understands that their OS's interface has to be friendly and user-ready or dummies-proof. I just don't understand Android devices having to set everything up, and not to mention using the mouse with an analog because the lack of touch screens for example.
So the future for me ideally would be something like batoceta, anberelec, retrobat... (emulation station interface) with mixed content like SteamOS, the ability to check retroachievements, screenshots and even online servers to join friends on good retro games within the interface without diving into RA. 👍
I think the price is because you can put the hands on one very soon. All other devices close to this price are pre-order subject to delay.
I like the form factor of this more than the Steam Deck, and I get that this device is going to be more easily obtained by a number of people, but still, I agree with you in being surprised it'd be priced where it's at. If this were 350, even, that'd make this a lot more intriguing as an option, but yeah, I think I'll need to pass on this for the time being. I do still hope it does well, though, competition is good.
There is no competition at this price currently
Early bird sale makes it slightly cheaper too
Yeah no, I wouldn't pay for this when I could get a steam deck for that price.
@@mathisblair2798 can you get one tho? When are you expected to get one from Valve?
Even some of its flaws and the somewhat higher price tag I ordered one because something that is rarely mentioned is the availability of these handhelds. The Ayn Odin is better in every way - except if you missed out on the (at the time, sketchy looking) crowed funding campaign you are waiting months and months for your order to ship. If you are like me and have a Steamdeck reservation in Q3 it might as well just wait for for my Steamdeck. All of the other options are either sold out or sells out almost instantly even if you try and get them ASAP. The options that are actually in stock are extremely expensive super high end handhelds.
To give you an idea of how hard it is to get these things - tried to get an Ayn Odin second hand they easily get to $800-$1000 on the second hand markets if you find them. It is insane.
The reason it is priced like it is, is because it has a decent form factor, decent specs, you can buy it with it shipping NOW, and it is under $500. I wanted something to hold me over until I got my Steamdeck and this was the only option I could get now without breaking the bank.
I ordered a Win600 as well! Got the black 3050 edition.
I'll be sticking with Odin lite love the bloody thing
I thought about getting this as my windows handheld but I have had a Steam Deck on reserve since last year so I think I will just wait on that. I actually like a lot about this device but for a bit extra the Steam Deck is just too attractive and less of a risk if there are any issues.
That Metroid dread copy on the table was a smart play.
We're really going to have to stop comparing these prices to the deck unless they can start getting them to people within a year of ordering. It's kind of like chasing a unicorn at this point.
Lol, there's no stopping all the steam deck fanboys.
They keep bringing up the $400 price tag for a 64GB system and assume you can install lots of games on it. Adding a branded 1GB microSD or M.2 card will bring the price to beyond $500++ which they failed to mention.
Plus imho the steam deck is way too big to be considered a handheld with the length at almost 30cm long.
@@acejon2162 Yeah, it seems so. There's no way I would buy a win 600 at this kind of price, either, but at least nobody is lying about it.
The deck is just too big to be worth it for most emulation, because you can do it on something at least half the size, like an Ayn Odin
Hey Russ, I think you meant 1280x720 not 1920x720 right? Thank you so much for reviewing, as always!
Thats what I was thinking when I saw that.
Ive never seen 1920x720 so it made me go "huh! " lol
So yeah, pretty sure this device is not 1920x1080 (without looking it up) its 1280x720 making it a 720P screen. 😊
Yeah, I looked at the famous Handheld Google Sheet and this handheld does indeed have a 1280x720 (16:9) screen.
Great video as always Russ, thanks!
A future "feature request" if you don't mind - would it be possible to test some of the EA Sports titles when you do pc and newer emulation testing? Lots of fans are playing those series, would be useful to know if any of the FIFA / NBA / NHL games run alright.
2 hours battery on this one... Think I'll pass.
just ordered the loki zero.. I hope will receive something in the next months..
Ha!
The moment i found out the price I know Anbernic screwed it up (again). I was expecting pricing ranging from USD250~300 depends on the configuration, not hitting USD400 for the higher end. Obviously Steam Deck is a better pick at that price range.
If it wasn't Russ... I wouldve shut the video off after hearing the price tag.
For me, it's a $200 device that I pay $400 for, up front, and then get $200 back when an upgrade comes along and I sell the Win600 second hand. And for $200, it's totally worth it to have a new toy to tinker with now! And sure, in theory AYN and AYA have better devices coming out in about 6 months. But then how long will the back orders be? How long until you actually get that device in your hands? Another 3 or 4 months? If you're lucky.
Great video! When talking about streaming you mentioned there are cheaper devices out there that are better for that. What currently available handheld would you recommend for streaming? That isn't the Steam Deck?
I think the best streaming device is the Odin Pro, but that one has a delivery backlog. It has analog triggers which are great for racing games. The GPD XP (original) is also good in that regard, but lacks analog triggers. The Anbernic RG353P is also decent for streaming but it has a 4:3 screen so it's best for PS2/GameCube streaming locally. I have videos on each of them :)
6:56 “yeah, man, I wanna do it” missed opportunity here
Great perspective here, Russ. This is a very interesting device, especially considering the confluence of circumstance for many folks.-As you point out, there is a deluge of “what-ifs” on the way, with many “promised promising devices” coming in Q4 at seemingly better pricing. That said, this is presumably a system that one will be able to obtain and well in advance of Q4. I’m coming up on deck for the Steam Deck, and think I’m going to wait it out. The price just wasn’t compelling enough, though at $300 for the $400 iteration, I would have probably made the purchase. Appreciate your work as always!
Price sucks but I'm sure there will be discounts later on. The real deal breaker for me is the lack of an SD card slot. What other devices reviewed in the past 2 years doesn't read SD cards? Crazy.
Buddy boy the steam deck and the rog ally dont have an sd card slot either so what did you not see how easily you can change the storage on the win600 😂😂
@@clash_VR yes they do buddy boy
Great video as always. I think that my desire is the new LOKI, but for now there are only promises and specs on paper and nothing to touch, also Aya neo air is spectacular.....on paper. The only thing that is sure is that, lika always in the last months, price of Anbernic devices is really out of sight, specially for its performances, no way. Is necessary to wait and see what comes with Ayn and Aya. For the moment i go on with my Odin pro and my One X player first i7 model for portability and emulation.
That would be considered a RAM overclock not adjusting the timings. Tightening the timings themselves could result in better performance though. A slower ram with tighter latency can result in much better results generally as long as the ram frequency isn't drastically lower. Of course, the "die" on the RAM itself can vary stick to stick even in the same kit so adjusting the timings isn't generally advised unless you know how good the kit is or what they can be run at. Thaiphoon Burner is a great tool to figure out what die the memory has and can be used with the Ryzen DRAM Calculator to learn how to tighten the timings.
Great tips, thanks!
yeah. i cringed when he said he would "adjust the timings" and then proceeded to simply raise the frequency while leaving all the actual timings on automatic
Aya Neo air plus is where is it at right now with a budget in mind. The loki 256gb has the best price to performance ratio
First, congrats Russ on your retirement, hope you'll get a nice vacation soon!
I completely agree on this device's biggest issue - the price. I'm not going to suffer in any way if I have to wait another year for something decent to land at the right price - I am going to suffer spiritual pain though if I feel like the company has sheered me like a sheep. OK, so I'm exaggerating a little, but I'm not going to buy a device like that.
As for the single channel ram, honestly I think they made it that way because they made it socketable. Their engineers had to know how much performance that zen cpu and, even more, that integrated gpu will lose, no way they didn't know it.
Wouldn't be bothered about running it at 2666, unless bios is overvolting and overheating it. Which it shouldn't do.
For Xbox emulation looks like it’s using xemu. Reason fps looks slower than it says is because what your using won’t read it correctly because it’s seeing the emulated screen it creates within xemu. Xemu has a fps counter in debug>video but i never used that os so idk if you can access that.
Yeah, it was def not running at 60 frames.
I had a Loki Max preordered from day 1, and now in Dec 2022 it seems like it's still so far away that i'm considering picking up a WIN600.
I dont blame you.
I was looking at the Loki Zero but who knows when any of them will be actually available.
Id guess by mid next year latest. But again, who knows.
So Im looking at the cheaper 3020e model.
Plenty of power for my needs (emulation with Batocera).
Yeah the left stick isnt the best position and theres no micro sd cart slot and battery life isnt great (seems true with any X86 handheld though).
But hey, at least you can buy them now.
Almost May 2023 and still no Loki models. 😏
How you plan to keep it is how I play to use it too. SteamOS primarily and then some other games to emulate. I don't wanna play crazy high end games on it
For me it's down to the i3 Aya Neo Air Plus and the Loki Mini Pro with the i3 upgrade. I think I'll end up getting whichever has the larger battery.
EDIT: I just saw that the i3 upgrade on the Loki Mini Pro also includes a larger 46.2Wh battery. So I put in an order for that. I'm curious about Windows performance vs. SteamOS though. If I'm only really interested in playing games via Steam, what would be my best option with the i3 Loki Mini Pro? Just running Steam in Windows? Or maybe some kind of stripped-down Linux distro?
Battery issue is definitely the thing aparts me to Win600. It is supossed to be a portable device, a hand-held...
Great analysis!!!!! Bye!
will you be exploring adding steam (and windows games in general) to batocera (for x86/x64 devices) in future?
Wonder how practical it will be or will it just be too many frustration/drawbacks with peformance/compatibility.
Can you install Emulec for Windows 10? If so, I would like a tutorial.
Also, the super compact USB flash drive is such a great idea! That kinda solves the missing sd card slot situation. I plan to get one as well they also have 256GB and 512GB.
I'd like to know your opinion on the high end PC handhelds, like the ONEXPLAYER, Aya Neo etc. maybe not a review but just your point of view
thanks for the good video. but will it run crysis?
I have a request for testing these handheld pcs, ffxiii is a pretty intensive game and would be a pretty beefy PS3 port game benchmark.
can the cpu be over clocked? I fully purchased a Loki max but. It's hard to wait for it but. now watching your video I'm backing out getting this win600 I'm not impressed. I'm just going to keep waiting for my Loki max.
Trying to find a console that will allow me to play certain retro games. Which version of Anbernic would be the best to purchase for the games listed below?:
• Mortal Kombat games 1-4
• Street Fighter games 1-3
• Power Stone 1 & 2
• Dark Cloud
• Sonic the Hedgehog 1-3
• Mace: The Dark Age
• Super Mario Bros 1-3, and Super Mario World
• Wario Land 1-4
• Bomberman 64
• Super Mario 64
• Diddy Kong Racing
Very good video nice review , I was thinking on buying the device, but I’ve recently bought the rg552, about 2 months ago and been having a problem not charging and have orange light blinking , tried to get in touch with ambernic and no luck , by any chance you know what to do ? I had the same problem with my PS Vita but there’s a combination key to fix that, . Thank you in advance
I still have my 7 inch Powkiddy X17 and it's still awesome! Had they made the Win600's button placement and overall design like the Powkiddy X17, people would probably be more willing to get one. It would have definitely fixed the spaced out button layout between the triggers and analog sticks.
Hi, I really appreciate how in depth you take your reviews.
I have a question regarding the Windows 10 part of the device. How well does it work with streaming videos like TH-cam or Netflix?
I ask because I have grown accustomed to watching videos with playback sped up to >2x speed now through add-ons available on the firefox browser. This is all fine for the desktop experience. However, I have been trying to get this feature to work on Android and surprisingly there is not anything like it that supports >2x speed unless I download the video, and play it sped up on VLC player.
Would it be possible to enable add-ons like "video speed controller" or "global speed" on the firefox browser through Windows 10 and play videos with decent quality at say like 3.8x speed on this device?
it is a full fat x86 windows install, so probably.
But thats such a spefic question with non spefic qualifires, i doubt you'll get many responses
@@Dracossaint Yeah it really is specific. I spent a lot of time looking for a way to play videos like this through streaming and there really is nothing like it at the moment.