2024 Surface Pro OLED Review (Snapdragon X)
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This isn't the first Arm based Surface Pro, but it's the first one that's actually good. The Surface Pro Copilot+ PC: Between the speed of the processor and the translation layer Microsoft is using to run old x86 programs this computer works really well for many things. But not everything.
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Adobe: You can install what we allow you to
Paying users: dang! we can't use your apps on the new surface
Pirates: pathetic!
lmao
Dont pirate adobe. Its not worth it. Use affinity!
Shocking that those who pirate their software are getting a superior service to us who paid!
@@CammieRacing Piracy was always a service problem not a money problem lol
@@candylord2739what service do you need to use Adobe softwares 😵💫.
Canva/Affinity decision to run on ARM chips natively is a very good move.
Screw Adobe anyway.
Same
Time for Samsung to come out with an iPad Pro competitor with a tablet form factor that has S-Pen and runs WINDOWS!
I'd rather they don't waste any breath if they don't include some AMD processor. It's WILD that after all these year not even 1 company ever made an AMD tablet that can do some heavy 3D workloads (which requires the GPU).
I would love a samsumg ultra windows PC size
@@alyxredmond8753what about minisforum v3 tablet?
I think they have a flippy laptop that had spent support already?
@@alyxredmond8753Minisforum Tablet V3 has Ryzen 8840U.
Blender for arm is in beta as we speak
Nice! and not surprising at all, that team is really on top of things.
I've been googling and youtubing fir this for about 2 weeks
No wonder why it so smooth on a arm windows tablet 🤯
Blender has been on ARM for a while via Apple Silicon and Metal
@@schizofennec arm64 for windows is what I meant
an arm wrestle!
That would have made a great title :D
Nice!
Good one!!
ARM race joke also works :P
Or, hear me out, you could cancel Creative Cloud and help push the movement against Adobe and their predatory practices.
Cool, i was waiting for your vid on this device. Thank you!
Your review is the one I've been waiting for!! Ty
Hard to understand why MS pen is not absolutely first rate drawing instrument by this iteration. 11 years of Surface Pro, that's way more than enough time to perfect this technology.
Maybe they might improve the tech now
FINALLY!!!BEEN WAITING LIKE ALMOST A WEEK NOW
Thanks for this great review of something I'm on the fence about buying. As an unapologetic doodler (not an "artist"), your UX focused review was useful to me. Also, many thanks for not adding distracting background music! Your voice and excellent script writing is more than enough (also thanks for not yelling at your audience :-)
Thanks for the review. Does it heat up? How’s the heat management compared to an iPad?
Thanks for covering the graphics tablet driver piece. Apple had the same problem too, but I don't know how long it took to be fixed. Hopefully Wacom and the other tablet manufacturers add Arm support for their Windows drivers soon.
Thx for a review!
How does the OLED hold up? I'm looking to get that version, but the folks over on the surfave subreddit are saying the OLED is falling short when it comes to text. Also the touch digital layer on the screen is noticeable when you get up close since the LED and the touch stuff are not lined up. Thoughts?
It's great to see you test as a tablet! Im looking foreard to picking up one. I wonder ifnthe 32 GB is worth the money... What do you think?
Does the OLED display have any graininess? That's what people are criticizing.
The cost of the keyboard and pen made this device a hard no. I was excited for Windows on arm to finally get some real options, the driver issues and app compatibility were not deal breakers as those would get better with time. The lack luster GPU performance of the top end snapdragon processor was also a bit of a disappointment.
This is the new Flex keyboard, which is incredibly expensive.
But it's just a new option. The "old" non-bluetooth keyboard is still fully available & compatible, and it costs way less than this.
Drivers are predicted to hit AMD 780m 3D performance eventually which crushes Intel Xe by a wide margin...
Very inexpensive third-party keyboards and pens are available. Some of the third-party keyboards even support Bluetooth. Some have pen storage as well, unfortunately not charging, just storage.
Very inexpensive comparing to ipad magic keyboard 💀
Apple and Samsung charges even more for their keyboard + pen 😂 plus they also offer other keyboard options without the pen and wireless that's lower priced.
Hi Brad love ya vids bro!! If possible I would love to see your comparison and thoughts between Wacoms Movink and the Ipad pro
Great video. I see you are using a screen protector. Is that for reflexes? Can you tell me what protector is? Thanks.
Already buying one unit ❤
did you try video editing with davinci resolve?
I love your reviews! It’s amazing how little reviewers there are for art focused consumers you really do a great job :) one question if I may, Do you think you could run Blender on this for 2D animation pretty reliably? Looking for something to run Blender without fear of breaking the screen (galaxy book4) with an at least okay drawing experience. Thank you!
Yes and no. It really depends on what you want to do in blender. Building models or environments or animating in 3D: Yes. Rendering is really slow, so if you want to see how your animation runs with the cycles engine on it's going to be really rough. Also exporting your animation here is going to take forever.
@@thebradcolbow Thank you for the quick reply! I’ll take that into consideration, it’s been rough trying to find a 2 in 1 laptop, I would just get an iPad and run Fresco but I’ve heard it’s not really made for longer form animations. 🫠
For Adobe apps, don't you try to download the offline version of it? (not via CC apps)
I once requested directly through customer service
The arm battle begins
Do you know if it can run AutoCAD? Really need a tablet for sketching and architectural work, and a mobile CAD editor/viewer if I'm away from my PC. Thanks! Great review!
Nice video. I have the Surface Pro 8 and am comparing to my iPad Pro 2018 to find out which I want to upgrade. Right now the Surface Pro is leading. I use the Adeway Matte Screen Protector. Like it a lot though wish there was an Astropad Rock Paper Pencil available that I use on my iPad Pro (the the metal tip and the ability to remove the screen since the Adeway sticks on). I would sure expect this fall we will get the Lunar Lake version of Surface Pro 11 and I expect it will be a little faster CPU and GPU. Maybe I will go with Surface Laptop Studio though not sure what Matte Screen Protectors are available. I hate drawing on glass.
I had the 9 and could not stand the battery life. Very happy trading it in and getting the 1400 version. Screen is a huge upgrade
When using photoshop do you use wintab or windows ink? Do you see any performance difference between the two settings?
How is the oled screen ? Not too grainy?
What happen to the SQ1 processor on the previous surface X? did it got the new translation layer of this windows 11 update?
It might, but it’s still going to be slow. Half the magic is the pure performance of the X chips which the SQ1 and similar chips and generations just severely lack.
Yes, I use the one with sg2 and it has the same new prism translation layer
@@MsAlanos thank you, what about the performance has it increased?
@codebraker12 slight Increase, nothing ground breaking, but I use only two lightweight apps in emulation. Everything else is already arm compatible so I don't know how it would behave in heavier workloads
Would be nice to see a comparison between this and the minisforum tablet
Hey Brad, would you be trying out the ProArt PZ13. Seems like a very decent and very cost effective rival to the surface pro. Also if you could do a video on windows convertibles such as the spectre x360 14. It has constantly been regarded as one of the best all around laptops. Would love to see your artsy take on it!
Let's get a milion for the Bradman
Damn it's been ages, I rememer watching surface pro 4 review of yours as my first video here. I feel ancient.
I've been waiting for this review since launch. As an Adobe pirate, I rely on using Windows, so this tablet seems like a fantastic choice - aside from the average pen. I wonder whether firmware updates could offer pen improvements?
As there's no Android version of Fresco, this is pretty much the only option for me and I'm glad that you found it to be a positive experience.
My only remaining question would be, is the more expensive X Elite worth it? I'm not fussed about OLED, but I wonder whether there's a tangible drawing performance difference between the Plus and Elite models?
HI!
I've been putting off buying a Surface or iPad type device for years because no one fully satisfies what I would like to do.
Essentially digital painting, a little Blender at an amateur level and complete PC programs for photo editing (even Nikon ones).
Have you made any videos where you discuss the combined use of Mac Mini and iPad Pro? Because this would be one of the solutions within Apple.
For the surface however... do you think it needs a protective film?
And what would be the best pens with the Microsoft protocol to use?
Thank you very much and congratulations for the videos you produce!!
I have the new surface and I love it!
Damn, what a bummer about the pen.
Great review as usual though, I was really waiting for it!
Will you review the Huawei matepad 11.5"s and the new Gopaint drawing app pls ? I really need an artist review before buying it !
Also which operating system is better for artists who are taking drawing as a hobby and don't wanna spend a lot of money , android or windows ?
Hey, I'm new to the channel and I have a weird question. Why don't you color back to front?
i love your take and review i wished you would have kept chiming in more about why the new surface line does not have premier pro on it. and why is the surface pro like the show stopper
Im drawing on a galaxy book 3 360 and tried procreate on the new ipad and i knew It was going to be my next drawing machine, util I heard about the new surface which I've always loved the desing but see it lacking in other ways specially price, but since drawing is a bit worse here than the ipad im still going for the later thanks to your review ;)
Hello @thebradcolbow would you like to make the review of one of the newest bosto pen displays? One is 16 and the second is about 18.5 inches, they're both 4K
Can't find the link, but someone ran pirated Adobe apps (coz what else can you do?) on this chip and they said they run fine. So that's good.
A fun test would be to check out what your experience would be today with Windows 11 24H2 on your Surface Pro X. It will certainly not out perform the Snapdragon X processors, but the experience might be better than when you made your original review.
I had never thought of that. Would that version of Windows have the same translation layer that we see here?
@@thebradcolbow It does. I do have a Surface Pro X myself. By default 24H2 is not an available update yet, but it is when you switch to the "Preview Channel". I managed to update my Surface Pro X to version 24h2 this way.
I so very much appreciate your THOROUGH reviews of windows/android products! Thanks for all you do!
Thanks.. Don't tell anyone but it's a lot of fun too 😄
I'd be curious to see how it performs with programming, it'll probably handle cross platform stuff but how will it handle windows specific C# libs and such
Would be neat to have a fancy robotic arm that you could motion capture yourself drawing, and have it repeat the movement for every tested tablet.
Great video! recently my beloved ipad pro got stolen and I used procreate a lot. also I don't have a good windows device (only my old laggy surface pro 4 lol). I can't decide between buying a surface laptop and a new ipad (maybe air this time) or just a new surface pro. I feel like after drawing on ipad I can't stand the surface pen. would appreciate any advice though
Strange to see an actual useful tablet - The new ipad pro is severely lacking when it comes to software.
Do you think the Surface Pro is a better option than the iPad Pro for illustration?
I prefer the iPad. It really depends on all the things you need to do. The ipad is a great companion device where this can be your everyday computer but it's not as fun to draw on.
@@thebradcolbow+ too heavy for tablet use
@Isengardtom an iPad is not that heavy but yeah, without kickstand, a chore to always have to carry, I agree.
they’re probably talking about the Surface Pro
@@mannyw_ what do you mean ? Surface has a kickstand. You do not "carry" it when using it.
The only time you CARRY the tablet, therefore with the keyboard, actually, the iPad Pro + Magic Keyboard is 25%...HEAVIER.
So I do not see how you could refer to the Surface Pro in this context.
Are there any pen alternatives that can be used with the Surface Pro?
I thin N-trig or something is the tech they use? All of those shouuuuuld work.
In the experimental versions of Blender there is already an ARM64 version for testing.
you have to try the new huawei matepad 11.5, they say it's a great tablet for drawing
Please do review for Huawei GoPaint app next!
Hi Brad what's your Daily Driver? I'm thinking of the getting the Huion 19.
He prefers to use an iPad for drawing, you can check his website for a comparison of the different pen displays he's used.
I'm an iPad guy, but the Huion 19 is really nice.
i have switched to fresco and never looked back
I want a Muppet review ASAP!!
I wanted to buy this, however price for the device (oled only comes with the x version) as well as price for keyboard is just absurd.
Im still wating for thr go version of this
Can't wait for it.
A tiny Surface Go & Surface Laptop Go with Arm processor that can last very long sounds like a very portable dream.
A full PC that can take anywhere & holds a charge.
I am waiting for a review on Huawei mate pad 13.2 😊
Brad, will you do a review of the Xencelabs Pen Display 16 OLED?
Yes!
@@thebradcolbow Thank you!
that cookie monster was so good
I always feel like I'm in the movie Speed when I use those pens - gotta keep that pen above a certain speed.
haha, I like that analogy.
Can you try Affinity Designer?
Is the asus zenbook duo 2024 version good
Brad does this supports blender ? What's the performance, I searched alot but it's a very new product I didn't found anything regarding that.
It does, it’s pretty good for blenders basically stuff, but rendering can take more time because it’s an integrated GPU and currently it can only do CPU rendering. But they’re making a native arm port for it 👌🏾
I've had two surface laptops and one surface pro, finish always chips. I would always get the silver
If Apple does not change ipad os by next year (2025) - we are all migrating to Surface Pro with Windows !!
2024, now…
With Arm, the power draw is so low, you can happily get the "plugged in" performance, while unplugged, for more hours of battery life.
Did you test compatability??? You only need "Basic" HID (human input device) drivers to use a tablet.
Basic usb devices work fine
@11:55 for drawing review.
Do a review on the asus pro art laptop
Can you review the LG Gram 16 Pro 2 in 1? can't find info if it's using mpp
Gram 14 uses Wacom AES 2.0. new gram 16 is probably uses it too.
the reflections on all surface devices is insane. definitely consider that before buying. its not the same as a regular glossy display. also quality control is quite poor. Please consider the extended warranty unless its a complete rip off.
Probably get a matte screen protector for this anyway for drawing
gonna wait on it a little. I use galaxy book 4 360 atm literally just bought it. I'll wait till everything is optimized for this new chip then trade in and get a new 360 edge model whenever that may come out.
Hey! I was close to buy rhe Book 4 360, but people complaining about the display cracking kind made me back up. How it's yours doing?
@@Noizahorikku my display is doing just fine. Is there anymore context as to how the cracking happened? I haven't pushed my comp to its limits. plus I got a nice deal for the best buy warranty for both hardware and software issues.
I'll say this tho, I legit only bought it for the 360 feature for drawing, comes with Samsung's great pen and I have other samsung devices to work hand n hand with it. If you see a more affordable 2 in 1 with the same specs and whatnot, keep the options open. Books like ASUS Zenbook 14 OLED, Lenovo Yoga 9i 2 in 1, and my favourite looking 2 in 1 (design wise) is the surface laptop studio 2 that thing is perfectly designed but too dang expensive lol.
So I would just keep your options on Samsung, Lenovo, and Asus for now and look around more from other recommenders.
@kickbeez642 Thanks a lot for your reply. Some people have been posting pics showing cracks on their displays and speculating that it could be the heat when they closed the laptop and the display being too thin. I found no official news or reference regarding this, but it made me hesitate. I was looking forward to build up my Samsung ecosystem if the drawing experience was good, and it seems to be the case.
@@Noizahorikku no problem. yea, it's always good to be cautious before spending that much money.
Would love a comparison between the surface pro and the Asus version coming out.
Yeah, the new Pro Art Surface thing looks good, going to try and get my hands on one.
We wanna see PUPPET BRAD!!! 😆
This is the first time I watch blender on snapdragon x 😲
06:12 ... so where is the link?
Shouldn't you be able to download Adobe if you run a virtual machine?
Not too excited any more tbh, I was looking towards for this in order to have a light portable drawing tablet, that at home could be hooked up to a bigger drawing tablet and art studio. But it seems is kinda bad both at drawing in the go, and cant connect to drawing tablets either.
hey. Krita has plugin image generative ai. can this laptop run this?
It should. It has an integrated npu for ai stuff
Couldn’t you download the adobe apps on another computer and copy them over for testing?
The reason they disallowed the apps from the cloud was that they performed horribly, and Adobe does not want users seeing how bad they are at the moment.
Hi, is it possible to install linux (ubuntu) on this tablet ?
Thank you for answer in advance!
As of now no, you can’t boot into it from the bios. Hopefully they get that sorted out, the Linux subsystem for Linux works though
Question for you and anyone else who had the oled model: it might be a little picky but do you have an issue with your screen and being able to see like a dot pattern on the screen? Not sure if I’ve had bad luck or that’s just how all of them are but it drives me crazy to have spent that much and have a bad looking oled screen
It’s a design flaw of how the Microsoft implements the touch interface and oled screen. Unfortunately all of them have that.
You can always return it for an lcd model
@@xekeys thank you, good to know all of them have it before trying to swap it out again 😂
The whole point of the Surface vs the Ipad was it was a PC that could run all those windows apps natively... but now its advantages are also rans. I just don't see a point in the switch to arm for tablets.
Battery life and heat. Two biggest problems with the surface line. Also even under emulation, the performance difference between this and the surface pro 10 is minimal while being more efficient
And I’d argue the advantage of the surface pro over the iPad is that it runs desktop level programs period. Which the surface does
@@christianr.5868 processing isn't bad, graphics aren't all that great, and I doubt you will be able to use an eGPU with an arm based machine. I could be wrong though but something tells me the drivers would be emulated.
@@digitalalchemy6414 no you’re right drivers aren’t available yet for an egpu. But it’s only a matter of time for that
that depends on the apps... no doubt windows has more apps that other platforms. But in my case I use the affinity suite for photos, desktop publishing, etc. and they are equivalent across windows/mac/ipad. games aren't going to be a strong suit on this... the performance isn't there on the surface... so apps taht are available on the ipad especially a comparable M4 pro are going to run circles around the surface. I could run games on an egpu on older surface but im guessing thats going to have issues on Arm with nvidia drivers and pciexpress support. I develop and all my dev tools are windows.. so I need a windows box for that... but id rather run it native than emulated, im a purist when im testing code I want as little 'wierdness' in between what im writing and the target as I can. That said... Playgrounds on the ipad is a nice dev environment with fast iteration of changes. I don't use xcode on the mac anymore, its just easier to code directly on the ipad But like anything specialty software you use is going to be a dealbreaker for some on this platform ro that platform.
Man if Microsoft wanted to grab the creative market, they should bundle the Surface Pro with 1 year Clip Studio Paint Pro/EX
Bro please review huawei matepad 11.5 S papermate
Does Inkscape work?
Apple still doesn’t have a touchscreen laptop
Definitely switching from my iPad Pro to this 👌🏽
iPad Pro remains a much superior tablet. This is more a laptop replacement.
Nice productivity device though
@@Isengardtom yeah I had a surface pro 4. Switched to the iPad Pro for 5 years in hopes it’d get better programs like blender and godot. Turns out they’ll never come because of apples dumb App Store guidelines, even though it’s ridiculously capable now. So yeah, got sick of it being held back
Normally a big fan of the Surface Pro but this year I like the Asus PZ13 better in this form factor. Comes with the keyboard and is a really elegantly designed thing. Will be interesting to see if that picks up traction
Is it repairable?
@@trowawayacc don't know. It's the first I've seen of it and there aren't many reviews on it yet
hows about the noise performance? I really don’t want a screaming tablet.😅
I should have mentioned that. In my time using this the fans would run but not at a speed that was audible, you had to hold your ear up to it to hear. Using Blender to render some stuff they would kick on and then there was definitely fan noise. But for every day computing stuff I never heard the fans.
@@thebradcolbow thanks for this valuable information. Then I would go for it.
finally, an arm based tablet's replacing laptop.
Gut
If only this chip were released in 2019 had the Surface Neo been saved ;--;
what kind of plants are those are they real
I would argue that m1-m4 demonstrated to be more powerful to intel counterparts.
I would agree, but whenever I say that the people who rely on discreet GPUs call me out 😂
he got to the point around @12:00 about how the pen input feels
Me hearing you can install Clip Studio Paint: "Good."
Me hearing you can't install Adobe tools: "GOOD!"
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