Borg Lore : Did Starfleet fundamentally change the borg?
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Today we'll be discussing the Star Trek TNG episode - Q WHO and discussing if the borg were changed by starfleet.
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The Enterprise episode "Regeneration", along with the Voyager episodes "The Raven", "Hope And Fear", and "Dragon's Teeth", basically prove the Anti-Trekkers hypothesis wrong. Even if you want to argue that assimilating the research team was just a way to get off planet, and assimilating the Hansens was just because they were close to the cube, yet were undetectable to the Borg and so had advanced technology from the Borg perspective, it is still mentioned in both "Hope And Fear" and "Dragon's Teeth", that the Borg had been assimilating both species Voyager encountered for centuries.
But you are forgetting the borg have always assimilated other races in the delta quadrant. There was a race janeway encountered who said they have held off the borg for centuries. They see the borg as a storm, a natural weather event that they have held off for centuries. But they were beginning to get overwhelmed. When species 8437 attacked, they saw a chance to defeat the storm entirely, but then janeway save the borg.
Anti trekker would have you believe the borg never assimilated people until they meet the enterprise. But a better theory would be the borg wasn't interested in assimilating humans but assimilated other more worthy races until they meet enterprise. Then the Borg started to assimilate humans. The reason for that change is Q. Q had a fascination with humanity. Q wanted Riker to join them and become a Q. Q sees potential in humanity, once the borg had learn that, then the borg wanted humanity for themselves.
I totally agree with that!
Right on! While it's never mentioned in canon, the Borg would have learned about Picard from the Enterprise crew they assimilated in the Enterprise D's first encounter with the Borg. This combined with any records they took from the ship was apparently enough about him to make them want to use him against Starfleet. They may have learned a little about Q if the crew they took knew about him, but it still wouldn't be until they assimilated Picard that they really learned about Q and what a powerful being like Q saw in humanity.
gwgux Interesting, but to my knowledge no crew members during that first encounter were assimilated, only killed. Unless, of course, that's a retcon.
@Rodney Holmes
The borg carved up a whole section. Those were assumed to be dead, but maybe some of them were still alive when the borg took that section into their ship.
TentaclePentacle A good point. Though I wonder, wouldn't the Enterprise ( and Starfleet for that matter ) have surveillance monitoring the situation ( as a matter of protocol, plus data analysis ) ? For any random encounters with alien life, as often happened.
If the Borg got the nanoprobes from the UFP that would explain how on Voyager the crew could utilise them better than the Borg themselves, I'm thinking specifically how they modified them into an anti-Species 8472 weapon.
This episode is very insightful and very well thought out you really really know what you're doing thank you so much for these episodes I really do love them
The Borg should've already been aware of the Q ever since their encounter with the El-Aurians. Their biology alone would be beneficial to assimilate. I like to think that this precedent was the justification for program Locutus.
As Bane said "Victory has defeated you". The federation nearly wiped itself out by simply winning
indeed!
Interesting discussion.
Love your videos Lore!!
Cheers,
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Wesley Crusher created nanoprobes that took over the ship and attained sentience. I have often wondered if the Borg found this research in their first encounter with the Enterprise D.
Then why did they assimilate the Hansens? Why did the classify ten thousand species by number? It's more likely a retcon and when Guinan said 'destroyed' she meant assimilated.
So I chose my words carefully, I said Not everyone.. So that could include people they found of interest or need. They also, as far as I could see (but could be wrong) didn't use the tubules. I don't think Voyager breaks it.. but it does make it harder to be plausible.
At least Q didn't send the Enterprise to Dominion territory. The Borg work slowly. The Dominion would have disasmbled this more niave federation before they knew what was even happening.
Since some of the Enterprise D crew were assimilated in the first meeting with the Borg, would we assume the Borg know about Q? Q was the reason why they were so far from Federation space and I assume the crew knew about him. Therefore the Borg would have to know about an entity called Q.
Fantastic analysis!
It's also reasonable that the Borg is very aware of the Q continuum and recognized Q's intervention of their assimilation of the Enterprise, also prompting the Borg to investigate Picard himself.
exactly the borg didn't want to assimilate humans because humans are a trash race in borg's eye. But then the borg found the Q were interested in humans, so they changed their mind. If humans are good enough for the Q, then they are good enough for the borg.
The propulsion Theory does make sense. Remember at the end of Q who Q said that the Borg are relentless they'll wear down your Shields exhaust your fuel until you're theirs? That was the Borg playing cat and mouse chasing them to warp 9.9 and just playing with them makes a whole lot of sense thank you for clearing that up
Weren't the Borg doing this centuries prior.
The trouble is the nanoprobes seem to be then used before that point in time, due to writers not being consistent with canon - I mean, due to Borg interference with the timeline.
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@@LoreReloaded you succeed in that regard. I can listen to what you say while I'm keeping 70 feet of truck and trailer in the lane. That is especially helpful as once you get good at truck driving it becomes boring. I love that you and your content can keep that boredom at bay without me having to look at the screen. Thank you very much.
@@HellFaust84 Same
An interesting hypothesis for you lore, do you think the interaction and a stalemate with the Federation pushed the Borg to interact with a dangerous and unknown species (of the time) Species 8472..?
Can you do a video on how Captain Archer reversing tge effects of the Temporal Cold War should have undone the Xindi attack on Earth?
it's coming up in the near future ;)
@@LoreReloaded Awesome!!! By the way, love this series so far.
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If you look into it a little, they both changed each other at the same time, the whole "when 2 worlds collide" thing. The borg added organics to their assimilation quota and the feds started to think along more milatiristic terms, albeit not very well at first (no completed experimental weapons)
I made a comment that was basically a piece of the video. However, I'm glad I came to the conclusion that the Borg dissected the ship in an attempt to find whatever supposed tech brought this Starfleet ship out this far instead of just doing the usual assimilation procedure.
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That is a super interesting way to look at it. I was always curious as to why the Borg don't just assimilate the Enterprise crew.
I think the Borg collective is something that grows bye swarming it's prey. Its likely been doing it for centuries. I think it seen the star fleet as little more than play things when it first encounter them. Then realize it had potential to create and advance their technology and decided assimilation could be useful to them.
you have to love how Q totally l left the borg confused in that TNG episode of the first encounter with the borg! XD
I mean, it's a good theory, but I'm not sure how realistic it is. The Borg would have had to undertaken mass assimilation before this point just to gain enough numbers to become a formative force. If they were just a few cubes filled with drones, I doubt "Q" would have forced first contact.
They were trying to steal my theory and change it. But my theory is way better. The borg was assimilating high quality species than humans. Humans are below average, not worthy of assimilation. Until, the episode of Q who. The borg wanted to investigate this super power the enterprise seem to have, so they started to assimilate humans. They couldn't understand why such a below average species had such advance powers. Then they assimilated Picard, through him they found out about the Q and Q's interest in humanity. Remember Q actually wanted humans to join him and become a Q. So if humans are good enough for Q, then they are good enough for the borg.
So I was watching the Cage the other day and noticed something interesting. It's a stretch but I love thought experiments. Spock was looking at the science screen and it showed several glowing bluish/white blobs spaced out in the system. That system was Talos. We know Pike comes across them and they can project highly realistic images. Hmm talosians?
Great theory
who created the Borg? fascinating video idea
Imagine every borg is a voice saying the same thing. Yet each borg cube is just one of the many voices that you can hear. And there allowing for diversity between different groups of cubes even if they all have a shared mind.
Lore Reloaded This is probably your best thought out video yet. To be honest Q bringing the Federation to the Borg did the Federation a huge favor. It gave them the kick in the pants they needed and shows that the Q really isnt all that bad as a race. That said another aspect i think not looked at as to why the Borg also started assimilating people. The fact they started losing vast numbers of drones with the contact of Species 8472 who killed millions of drones including whole Borg Planets. Therefore the fastest way to rebuild numbers was to assimilate.
Nice video.
It WAS the first encounter of the Federation with the Borg since the Federation did NOT exist during the Enterprise series
Fair
Yup... Still kinda awkward
But they had already assimilated the Hansens by this time
True... But that's just the typical voyager discontinuity for you
Starfleet, not the federation. The Raven was a federation ship. In service far after that time
Dam good theory actually, dam good.
That's an interesting theory that sounds very plausible.
somethin to think about for your next video on this subject before the assimilation of picard the borg wernt seen to push buttons but after hes hacked to blow up a borg ship you see the borg push alot more buttons almost like they adapted to a security risk
Can you do a breakdown on the TNG episode where starfleet was infiltrated by essentially the Gua'ould, where the message may have been sent, if the message is still traveling pehaps to coordinates outside of our galaxy, or if the federation has become infiltrated again?
I like this train of thought, it gives a logical progression for the borg's acquisition of technology and culture from other races. If they initially only cared about assimilated culture's pre-existing science before meeting the federation/Q, seeing another empire grow as fast as the federation probably gave them a new angle to seek perfection from: culture.
Hah! I never thought about how messed up that whole encounter must have looked from the Borg’s point of view.
Off course!. Now the Federation is their favorite xp farm.
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Starfleet - Enterprise NX encounter could be considered a separate encounter from UFP - Ent D. After the shift from Earths military fleet to the pacifist UFP - loss of intel, section 31 interference.. Many possibilities. (or just forgetful canon ignoring writing.)
Your right it's the first contact Borg with UFP but enterprise was united earth
3 QUESTIONS:
1. Do the Borg know about " Q " ?
2. Do the Borg know about Kasinski ?
3. Do the Borg know about " The Traveler " ?
I still maintain that the Enterprise episode Regeneration only happened because of First Contact. A 24th century Borg is blown off the hull of Enterprise-E and drifts off into space near 21st century Earth. They don't really die left out in vacuum, so it just went into hibernation until somebody noticed it adrift once human technology became advanced enough for plenty of ships to orbit Earth and one of them notice it and bring it aboard. That's also why I also maintain that Enterprise exists in a different timeline than the previous series, since Daniels had mentioned there was no record of an attack by the Xindi in Earth history. Enterprise's timeline has been drastically altered due to all the time travel shenanigans. And Discovery takes place in Enterprise's future, since the NX-01 has been mentioned before, which means that show's timeline is different from the original too. If the Xindi joined the Federation after Archer makes peace with them, the Federation would have access to the futuristic technologies given to them by the Spherebuilders, including far more powerful weapons. If the Xindi also started helping engineer Federation ships, that might be why they look so different from what we're used to seeing on the Original Series. Doesn't quite explain the Klingons, but whatever.
this theory is kind of good, except that guinan already mention that they assimilated their people, yet I like this idea of the borg getting intrigued by the federation when is Q who pulls the string, I wonder if Q fear the borg as they prefer the federation to survive
If anything they made them more aware of their obvious flaws. The borg don't make any sense, my raspberry pie has more computing power as a borg drone honestly.
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@@Fuctmentality 3.14 to infinity.. Résistance to my grammar mistakes is futile. You will be assimilated
That's a way of looking at that episode I've never considered before. Makes me wonder how the Borg would have changed if instead it was the Romulans, Klingons, Cardassians, or even Dominion they ran into instead of the Enterprise D. Surely Q has to have people not part of or from the Federation he likes to mess with.
I think the Borg makes contact with the Dominion often
Whats that Soundtrack which is always playing at the beginning
Why did i choose it?
@@LoreReloaded has this Soundtrack a name or where can i find it?
I just noticed .. you sound exactly like the Orbis in Warframe :-D
Didn't the vardward in the Voyager episode say that the Borg assimilated only a handful species ? They didn't simulate the people back then or they did
I'm a little late to the party but do we know for a fact that Q introduced them to a "real" cube? Was the cube just snapped into existence by Q? Was it a real Borg ship unaltered by Q? I think it could have been a dumbed down version just to put Picard and the Federation in its place to make Q feel superior.
Incidentally, wouldn't the Borg be able to answer the question of how the Enterprise got there as soon as they discover Q on board? After all, the Borg and the Q are aware of each others' existence, as proven in Voyager in the episode where Q warns his son not to mess with the Borg.
(Yes, the reason for that inconsistency is that the Voyager episode came out years later, but that's a meta reason, not an in-universe explanation.)
There is a flaw in that logic. Annika and he parents were assimilated a couple years before the events of that episode.
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I mean lol Voyager, but what about the Raven and 7 of 9?
What about the thought of Vger being the start of the Borg? On the Motion Picture blue ray extras this is brought up
Shatner's book "The Return" also brought up that point. That Voyager 6 was discovered by The Borg and assimilated it into V'Ger.
my only caveat about that, is the assumption. While it is true that Spock did say that they were a race of living machines, does not immediately imply that it must be and can only be the 'Borg'. As if the Borg are the only civilization of living machines in the universe. In fact, I would argue that the Borg are not said race, simply due to the fact the Borg are not exclusively inorganic in nature, and the world that was shown in the movie was explicitly inorganic.
In the Star Trek Voyager episode "Dragon's Teeth" they wake up the Vaadwaur from their 900 year sleep. The Vaadwaur survivors mentioned knowing the Borg 900 years earlier. These Ancient Borg were much weaker and controlled far less space compared to modern Borg. So the Borg seem to Predate vger by at least 500 years.
Wasn't the steller phenomenon around Voyager6 the size of a solar system and wouldn't that put it above the Borg.
yeah, Eighty-two AU in diameter. As much as some find it insulting, the honest truth is the entirety of humankind at this point in 2018 isn't even a Kardashev Type one civilization (we are a Zero point seven, ish). In comparison to that, the V'Ger ship by it'self, Just the single ship, is clearly a Kardashev type Two-point-something, (hmmmmm) yeah, not the Borg, not by a long shot. lol.
The Borg would be nothing more than Ants underfoot to the race that made the V'Ger ship. They would unleash bug spray on the borg without giving it a second thought, lol.
If you somehow cobbled together Everything the Borg ever created, all the cubes, all the sphere ships, Everything that was Borg from inception to the demise in Voyager, it would not come remotely close to the size and energy levels of the V'Ger ship. The Borg at best is a type Zero-point-nine Kardashev civilization, as they do not consume every single atom of entire planets, only parts of planets. Contrast that to a civilization that apparently can just crank out massive ships that individually rank high on the Kardashev scale, they are so drastically not the same thing.
The nature of the Borg is Adaptation so of course the Federation changed them, but I don't think quite as much as you suspect. The Borg tend to ignore small potential threats, people can beam on to a cube and more or less walk around without much notice until they either mess with critical systems or start attacking drones. we also see this with their attitude towards technology or cultures that they see as less advanced. the complete assimilation of a race is probably a less common thing, done either when the Borg need to bluster the number of drones or when leaving survivors could lead to future problems or resistance.
After encountering the Enterprise D, The Borg would have analysed the data collected and come to the conclusion that the Federation posed a credible threat. that left alone to grow, it would gather more cultures and technologies that could potentially defeat them, leading to a more proactive stance and the intent to assimilate every race connected to the Federation. Because the greatest threat the Federation posed was the idea of it. The Borg and the Federation have very similar goals as you say. The Borg see the Federation doing a potentially better job of doing it than the they are and rather than confront the existential possibility that they are wrong, try to stomp the Federation down to prove the Borg way is the right way.
that's my take anyway.
0:30 - Naughty Borg done dirt cheap? LR, what are you up to? o.O
That episode of enterprise bock continuity
First contact situations always go both ways.
I disagree. I think there are 2 possibilities, either the Borg didn't try to assimilate the crew of the Enterprise because they found them unremarkable and had no unique traits to enhance the collective with or.... the writer's hadn't come up with the idea of assimilating people yet.
Not Dave I think it was the latter. The only thing that the Enterprise D encounter at J25 changed was the Borg’s agenda regarding the Federation.
Anneka Hansen? Except that the Borg would have known about Q, if they had read the ships logs
Can u do a video on what is "beta canon " or " alpha cannon " . Cause u say words like that all the time but like what is it?
Ok upon rereading this I should clarify. U dont say it "all the time " in this video. I was mostly referring to part vidios
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So Borg in season 2 or 3 of discovery. TAKING ALL BETS!
The Borg imho assimilated not only technology but also people rather routinely to replenish numbers or to man new cubes. Even though their goal was not to assimilate everyone and they certainly preferred some physical and genetic traits, it would make sense to assimilate even lesser beings if it was necessary. Humans became special after the Collective realized that there is greater pool of "special" individuals in this race and thus it would be more efficient to assimilate the entire race to add these rare individuals to the collective even if the price would be assimilation of billions of physically and genetically unremarkable humans that are barely worthy to be drones.
interesting
Ever notice how that Romulan Neutral Zone plot point is never mentioned again?
they did mention it. When the enterprise meet the cube for the first time. Data said, his scans show ruins on the nearest planets that show the same damage as the ones along the neutral zone.
@@TentaclePentacle and that is the last time it is ever brought up. Look at the way the admiral suggests involving them in the fight at Wolf 359, it does not sound like he thinks they have a horse in the race.
@Lynn Green
They did say the romulans are sending ships but they can't get here in time.
Tue borg were totally fassinated by captain jean luc picard. In 2365 at system j-25 how did the borg know that the needed to learn about captain picard and by wolf 359 took picard personally at wild 359 i. 2367?
I don't think the part about them not assimilating people before is correct. I think it was just Riker's *guess* as to what he was looking at in the "Borg nursery." He was wrong in his guess since we see on Voyager that the Borg just age-up kids they assimilate until they are fully grown. Fetuses too, assimilate a pregnant female and get a 2 for 1 drone deal.
So I don't disagree that assimilation didn't occur, just not en masse. I didn't bring up the kids, because like you stated - it's unlikely they have babies like that. Mass assimilation beyond a small amount would occur after this..
@Lore Reloaded
There are mass assimilations, they just weren't interested in humans until they found out about Q. The borg wouldn't touch the kazons because the borg consider the kazons race to be trash. The borg thinks humans are below average too, that's why during the first encounter they weren't interested in assimilating humans.
the not being a threat never sat well with me i always assumed it was way more complicated.
i think borg let people walk around their ships because partly they are not a threat but mostly because they are busy transferring power threw a micro wormhole into some other dimension or something and 8472 confirmed it for me. i think they exist in other universes and galaxies and probably use the physics of each one when it comes to technology and things for example imagine what ship designs borg would use if they took over fluidic space. probably torpedo shaped ships. conical pyramid ones maybe, like a modern nuclear warhead.
fluidic space might eb great to build giant super computer processors and cool em maybe. each universe probably have plus's and minus's.
im sure borg are like a computer system transferring power to each other threw subspace and whatnot, sending processing power to research facilities, solving new physics problems in new galaxies and things with different physics.
borg would be all powerful, unstoppable horde if they were as originally described by Q.voyager just had to make em killable to make action stuff.
@Lore, doesn't that actually mean that Q was the one who changed the nature of the Borg as well as the Federation by introducing them to each other?
Without Q's interference, the Borg wouldn't have cared about the UFP.
Also, without the Borg engagement with the UFP both in "Q who" and "Best of Both Worlds", then there wouldn't be a more defense oriented Starfleet prepared to fight (with the oncoming Dominion War).
Q and the Q continuum was likely trying to "improve" the Federation and the Borg simultaneously
2:17 what's up with that guys head
Were 7 of 9 and her parents assimilated before or after Picard first encountered the Borg?
before, but 7 of 9 and her parent were a special case. They were hidden from borg detection, the borg needed to know what they have done.
Honestly I don't think the Enterprise NX-01. That only happened because of First Contact and the Borg going back in time. Unless it's a time loop or something but I'm opting to believe that Regeneration merely takes place in alternate timeline.
It's a time loop.
The subspace transmission at the end is implied to have given the borg reason to dispatch a cube concerning Earth, only taking centuries to get back to the collective. This is the Wolf 359 cube. It was by all likelihood en route from even before the Enterprise D encounter. The federation would have been caught with it's pants down even worse without Q's intervention... But the timeline was not "when we bump into them" but when that purpose driven cube fulfilled it's mission.
You've got me thinking about the Borg's actions during First Contact.
It's clear that by this point the Borg believe the Federation is a fundamental threat to thier continued existence. So they decide to go back in time to assimilate humans before they can use thier influence to form the Federation. The question is, is this a desperation move by the Borg, or a tactic they've used before?
Q essentially vaccinated the Federation. He orchestrated a non-lethal encounter that allowed them to adapt to the Borg.
Borg Q; I wonder if the Q could be assimilated; we'd all be doomed! =oP
Q did warn his son "do not antagonize the Borg" so maybe?
Nitpick mode on: J-25 was the first encounter between the federation and the Borg, just not between Starfleet and the Borg. Nitpick mode off.
Well played
The Borg didn't assimilate people until the Enterprise D? Wouldn't the problem with this be 7 of Nine? She was in her 20s when she joined the Voyager crew. Assuming she was 5 or 6 when her parents and she were taken by the Borg, that would have been years prior to the Enterprise. She was maybe present at the battle of Wolf 359. This means the Borg would have already known of humans, had some idea of their technology and had already started assimilating them. Just not in mass numbers.
But if the federation made the borg suddenly want to assimilate people, why is it that throughout later Star Trek lore it is said by many people even the borg themselves that they had enhanced themselves to be more perfect and they wanted to improve other species in the same ways and by the time of first contact the borg had assimilated thousands of species.
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Q was trolling the borg by forcing the engagement!
The Borg assimilated the EL aurians We know Guinan was in contact, with Q.
The borg assimilated other species before, they just wasn't interested in humans. The borg are actually picky eaters, they wouldn't even touch the kazons.
How would the borg become the borg if they didn't assimilate and become so massive
Wouldn't the Borg detect Q or there being a log about him?
I dont think they did.
But found out through assimilation.
I don't know if by people you only mean mankind or other species as well. I believe that they didn't assimilate men because as you said they couldn't gain anything from it and it would just be too much of work. However it should be clear that they assimilated other species before that. Also: Aren't the Borg man-made? I always thought that they were initially a space probe from the federation that got lost somehow in a wormhole or something similar. That would also explain a higher than normal interest in mankind. I'm also always puzzled about how all Borg look like men even though they never assimilated any (except maybe some outposts as stated in voyager)
the question may be, did Q change the borg
I've always had a problem with
STAR TREK spacial mathematics
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I don't think that it is correct to label the Federation apathetic, complacent and over confident I think it's more accurate.
"Fascinating" You have truly outdone yourself Mr, Reloaded
like all your videos will done.
....and no this is not asskissing....
Well they were changed before Q-Who, then changed back after Q-Who, hmmm, or is that contradictory scriptwriting?
The Borg from Enterprise do I noticed look VERY dated compared to those from Voyager that look and act way more advanced.. less like an Extra wearing random vaguely looking tech stuff. Which makes me wonder if at least one those random Picard/Borg confrontations though time, which is most important with this idea I'm stating, somehow effected EVEN purely accidentally, history..
So that the Borg of Voyager and Janeways time are WAY more powerful, advanced and dangerous then Picards time...
Don't sound like much BUT we're talking mere couple decades tops between TNG and Voyager which ISNT how long a civilization typically takes to advance so much in tech, appearance and especially cultural and thinking patterns unless such a thing happens. Not quite I think what Lore said here but pretty close.
Robert Agu TNG, Deep Space Nine and Voyager all occur within the same era. The Borg in the Delta Quadrant were more of an empire ( to use the analogy ) opposed to being the invaders in the Alpha. The thing with the Borg in the Descent ( ? ) is absent the Queen ( a later concept ) , what keeps/kept them functioning as a hive mind ? And they seemed MORE deadlier under the guidance of Lore.
These are not the propulsion systems you are looking for
um what about Guinan people the borg made them join the party
humans on paper are a below average race. Guinan's people had way more potential. My theory is, the borg are picky eaters. They didn't want humans at the start, because humans are below average. But the borg assimilated those above average races, races like Guinan's people. But once the borg had meet the enterprise and saw it had some kind of special powers, they started to assimilate humans. They wanted to know what made humans so interesting to the Q.
What I've always felt is that Guinan's people, and what Q is trying to teach are the things the Borg can't assimilate. The Borg destroy them because the Borg can't absorb what makes them special.
Piccard and Q's whole story is sorta central to that struggle. The Queen exists to get annother demension on the humans that think in 3d, but Guinan and Q are trying to get Piccard (and thus humanity) on even higher levels of thinking.
hmmm I cant agree with you - the borg always added bio and tech to the collective.... just a matter of requirement - its no good assimilating 5 million beings if you only have the resources to sustain 1 million is it... and we know that they assimilate new tech every day....and this can but only add to their abilities and logistical capacity to assimilate and house a wider population of drones... not to mention the creation of specific roles and drones needed to operate those roles IE the tactical drom, the Talaxians made ideal drones due to their muscle mass
the crew of the USS Raven (seven of nine) were assimilated out of pure necessity - in order to understand the concept design of the technology that hid them from the borg for so long
assimilate the ships log, you assimilate a story
assimilate the captain, and you assimilate the entire hidden history and secrets behind the story.... its logical... its efficient
so its actually Q's fault......
This is so wrong. According to Arturis, his people eluded the Borg for centuries. "Always one step ahead." Add 7 of 9 : "229 years ago. Janeway : Assimilation? 7 of 9: Yes, of 13 different species. It began with species 262." Finally, the Borg Queen herself. You may not like her but...it is what it is. " Brave words. I've heard them before, from thousands of species , across thousands of worlds, since long before you were created. But, now they are all Borg."