Kyoraku's bankai is different with every use. The theme is theatre and creating acts suited to the opponents and the situation. If there would be more people caught in the bankai it would create a whole theatre play with a role and a scenario to die for everyone, friend or foe. That's why he couldn't use his bankai during Aizen attack, and perhaps that is why Aizen wasn't worried to much about it. If Kyoraku would be able to break Zaraki's spirit during those acts then the attacks would have an effect and Kyoraku would win. Lille Barro didn't drop on the bottom of the ocean because of Kyoraku's reiatsu but because he started feeling despair - that created an entry for the bankai to work, the thread was just an aftertouch. Even Zaraki - the monster he is - has a psychological weak point and that is Unohana. Kyoraku is an inteligent beast and he would exploit that. On a side note lets remember that Kyoraku does have a Leviathan level of reiatsu.
I agree with your statement that "Kyoraku's bankai is different with every use" but theres going to be uncertainty until it gets demonstrated in the source material. I hope we get to see it in the hell arc.
Great video! I've always believed this theory for years. When Zaraki used his Shikai for the first time and CUT THROUGH SPACE AND TIME during his battle with Gremmy I knew he was on another level. I think he's probably the 3rd strongest character in the verse post TYBW after Ichigo and Aizen respectvely.
I believe Kenpachi has a special fragment of the soul king within him that has yet to be revealed. Along with his natural monstrous strength that fragment might be the source of what puts his reaitsu on a god like level‼️‼️‼️
Truth. They are better off in their respective roles, both warriors yet one waits for battle while the other reforms Soul Society for the very first time.
If Zaraki would ever go too wild, the head captain is going to have to stop him. He knew the risks when he asked central 46 to teach Zaraki proper swordsmanship
@@Grayson-Winchester If that ever happens Gotei 13 and be extension those at the top in the nobility will definitely initiate laws regarding power limits and who exactly can be a Shinigami from grunt to Captain. As it is now recruitment selections have been liberalized but who knows.
@@manuelacosta9463 there are already laws that set power limits. Yamamoto was central 46‘s most powerful enforcer. Their judgment was absolute to him. So they established many law that didn’t allow soul reapers to ever become as or more powerful than him.
I think it was Aizen. Seems like an experiment, and Aizen used to be respected and trusted. He also Rukia to Karakura so she would end up giving him her powers.
You’re assuming Kyoraku’s bankai has one play, and completely skip his seemingly limitless shikai. Example: bankai kenpachi shouldn’t be able to do a lot of damage to Kyorau if he cuts the wrong or prominent color on Kyoraku. Kenpachi has large reiatsu reserves, but that doesn’t mean he can squash every ability. Mayuri’s shikai is enough to immobilize and kill Zaraki. In context, other nobels and strong fighters will pose the same threat. What Zaraki is capable of achieving with brute strength is remarkable, but characters like Kyoraku wouldve been able to handle Gremmy or Toshin. Toshin would’ve lost to characters like Byakuya and Bambi given their power is used offensively and defensively even in a black coffin. If Aizen had to battle Kenpachi, he would’ve mostly likely killed him easily given Royd/Loyd put Kenpachi in a coma. Kyoka Suigetsu would’ve worked on Kenpachi because Aizen has larger Reiatsu reserves even without the hogyoku. Kenpachi is monstrous, but he’s not unbeatable, and increasing his speed and cutting power in bankai won’t always get the job done since there are characters that can equalize the playing field, eg. shuhei, tsukishima, kyoraku, kisuke. Realistically, the only people who posed real threat to Aizen before hogyoku and during SS arc are the head captain, Unohana, and Kyoraku as they were the strongest people in the show until dangai ichigo. Kyoraku might not be as electric as Zaraki, but he is the current strongest captain in the gotei
@@-------....___ everyone was under hypnosis. Given that, Yama’s zanpakuto would also be useless. Aizen was more afraid of their physical strength and not knowing the full extent of their power. Unohana and Yama, at that time, are leagues above everyone in raw strength and battle IQ. Yama had to come in contact with Aizen’s zanpakuto to be able to break out of the hypnosis. Experienced fighters would know that, and even Kenpachi had to use this tactic against Toshin to defeat him. Unohana’s battle IQ might be the highest of all fighters at base level, and x100’s stronger than Kenpachi until TYBW. Also, If Aizen were trapped in Kyoraku’s bankai’s spiritual pressure then he wouldn’t escape. Not only that, but Aizen most likely doesn’t know the power of Kyoraku’s bankai. Then these three people are the obvious threats from the reader’s pov. What characters say are from their pov and it’s not always true.
@@jvoughnnblake341 So Yama zanpaktou would be useless, but Aizen created a whole Arrancar to seal it? LOOOOOOOOOL. Aizen himself said he would lose against Ryujin Jakka. Are we watching the same anime? Aizen was more afraid of their physical strength, not knowing their full extent of power. Where did you get this from? Evidence? Unohana is 'leagues' above everyone in raw strength and battle IQ. Where did you get this from? Evidence? Unohana's battle IQ might be highest at base level, and x100s stronger than Zaraki till TYBW. Where did you get this from? Evidence? Aizen 'most likely' doesn't know the power of Kyorakus Bankai. Where did you get this from? Evidence? See what I mean? Everything you are saying is just made up fan fiction, and goes against the Manga and Anime. I mean TBH, when Unohana herself says she and the other captains stand no chance against Aizen, and when Kubo has already told us that Aizen's abilities (without his hypnosis) is above all the captains, you still want to wank her incessantly. It is weird. GG
@@jvoughnnblake341 Yama zanpaktou is useless, but Aizen created an arrancar to specifically seal it, and he himself said he would lose against Ryujin Jakka. 'Aizen was more afraid of their physical strength and not knowing the full extent of their power'. Evidence please? 'Unohana and Yama at that time, are leagues above everyone in raw strength and battle IQ.' Evidence please of this Unohana feat. 'Unohana’s battle IQ might be the highest of all fighters at base level, and x100’s stronger than Kenpachi until TYBW'. Evidence please. 'but Aizen most likely doesn’t know the power of Kyoraku’s bankai. ' Evidence please. See, most of what you are saying is just made up wankfiction fan fiction. Are we even watching the same anime? Unohana has clearly herself said she is no match for Aizen. So why incessantly milking her?
@@-------....___ not everything is spelt out in Bleach and that’s how Kubo likes to write. Yama is affected by Aizen’s hypnosis, then what good is Ryugin Jakka if it can’t reach Aizen? Will it effectively just nuke the entire world? Possibly. Is that effective? Not really. It’s Yama’s combined experience with Ryugin Jakka that makes him a threat. If that weren’t the case, what’s stopping Aizen from just fatally slashing Yama since he can effectively construct whatever reality he chooses. Then, if experience and raw power, combined with a deadly zanpakuto are what poses a threat to Aizen, then based on what else we see from Kyoraku’s and Unohana in TYBW, then they fit the bill given they are just as strong when the show starts through to the end. Unohana is the first Kenpachi and a master swordsman. She may not be more powerful than Yama, but her title as Kenpachi and her experience makes her just as deadly. With her bankai, she stood well within a good place of troubling Aizen. Being a threat doesn’t mean that they have better feats or are stronger than Aizen, but can also be the case. Of the 3 oldest captains who rarely release their bankai, one would think nobody has seen Kyoraku’s, Unohana’s or Yama’s bankai’s in recent years. The quincies who shadowed the soul society for over 1000 years haven’t seen Kyoraku’s bankai or the version of his bankai that we see him fight Lille with. Lille had no information on Kyoraku’s bankai. Yama's bankai also changed over 1000 years and the quincies did not see that then Aizen wouldnt have either. Unohana hid her abilities for centuries, and Yama hid his for a very long time as well. Aizen may have some information about each, but he’s never witnessed or knows the full extent of their abilities because he’s much much younger and never fought them before. And yes, bankai and zanpakuto abiliies refine over time + experience. The original argument was that Zaraki couldn’t have been a threat to Aizen because he was leagues behind all 3 of the aforementioned captains until TYBW, and this falls short of surpassing Yama or Kyoraku presently. There, I've used your brain for you.
Easy Zaraki can't even get a kill without dying too so the best it can go for him is a draw Shunsui has control over when and how things go and Zaraki has no awnser for the shared wounds
@TerreneitorPlusUltra Not easy, though. It's still depends on how the fight goes. If Shunsui doesn't go Bankai directly, then Zaraki wins because of that, but Shunsui should be smart enough to do that, and Zaraki either way mostly doesn't kill his opponents directly nor goes all out from the beginning.
@@muchoyurdem5260 when it's either draw or death for the other guy i say the one forcing that situation has it easy all Kyoraku has to do if he thinks he can't win is get hit in Bankai for a draw Zaraki on the other hand has much lower odds at winning such as killing Kyoraku pre Bankai other than that the best he can do is draw
@TerreneitorPlusUltra Buddy, if one side can just blitz and one shot (like Zaraki), then it's not easy, lol. And even with Shunsuis Bankai activated, there is still a possibility for Zaraki to win because he's more durable And you're arguing for an "easy win" in the first place, so a draw isn't included because it's not a "win" Drawing and winning are not the same. You're just picking and choosing the side you're favoring and including a draw in your Shunsuis "easy win" claim lmao. Zaraki actually doesn't have low win cons because he's definitely capable of killing Shunsui pre Bankai. If Bankai isn't included, Zaraki wins literally 9/10 times lol. "Other than that, the best he can do is a draw." Again, a draw is not a win, nor an "easy" win for Shunsui.
@muchoyurdem5260 if Lille didn't oneshot Kyoraku what makes you think Zaraki will? yeah not likely it's "easy" because there's no real potential for a Kyoraku loses scenario
@@xPepe1310 Thank god, someone with some logic. These Zaraki wankers are fixated on the novels, which are clearly wankfiction of kenpachi. SAFWY also wanks Zaraki and by default then Unohana to insane levels.
Based on this argument, we are assuming Shunsui has a greater reaitsu than Lille Barro, but that isn't necessarily the case. A stronger argument can be made that Lille Barro has a greater Reaitsu. Therefore, I don't think Reiatsu can completely negate Shunsui's bankai. Beyond that, although this isn't a Kenny vs Shunsui argument, I would argue that Shunsui has a ton of experience, tactics, and is willing to fight dirty. Currently, Shunsui wins, but after the hell arc and more secrets are revealed about Zaraki, who knows?
It's simple really. For one zaraki doesn't feel guilt during battle so his second stage wouldn't do nothing. Not to mention zaraki reiastu is too high for shunsui to drain before he runs out of reiastu so it's useless for the 3rd stage of shunsui's bankai
@ezramiller8936 unlike kisuke and mayuri, shunsui doesn't have any drugs that can bypass rieatsu, so no strategy can rlly help shunsui in this situation.
@@Blackmustache870it is not. We have only seen it once, and that was Aizen/Soi Fon. And most of that battle was an illusion anyways. If the difference is too great, like Aizen and Soi Fon, then perhaps. But difference between Shunsui and Kenpachi is not that big.
2:08 I thought the second was implied to be Unohana at that time, not Zaraki. Why would Aizen be wary of Zaraki when at that time he could literally oneshot and kill him in base, as shown by Unohana killing and reviving a stronger Zaraki over and over again for hundreds of times? Aizen is not reviving him... I think you're wrong on that one. Aizen didn't mention who it was because Kubo wanted to use it to foreshadow Unohana's power later on, why wouldn't Aizen just say Yamamoto and Kenpachi Zaraki? Other than that, you did a good job exploring this match up.
The second was not implied to be Unohana. At no time was Unohana a threat to Aizen. She said it herself - no stands a chance against Aizen except Ichigo. This is from a novel that was not canon. Aizen clearly said in the manga/anime that the power of the Gotei 13 is the captains, and he has trapped half of them in HM, meaning half the power of the Shinigami is gone. He didn't specify any individual.
@@TerreneitorPlusUltra In that way, Kubo was involved in the filler arcs too. Doesn't mean they are canon. Even the bleach wiki doesn't consider it canon. "It's half-canon at best. Some major plot points and things might be canon, considering the author has asked Kubo about them. But Kubo did not write it, there is no way of knowing which parts are canon and which are author's license, and therefore it is not useful for deciding canon because it'll just lead to an endless debate in the face of our lack of confirmation. It's highly possible that Kubo just sketched out generalities about the plot and the villain characters are completely original. Or even Kubo gave Narita a few major points he wanted to cover and let Narita go totally crazy with the plot otherwise.'
Thank you Simo for keeping the Fandom alive and encouraging thoughts and theories. My random thought: imagine that in the Hell arc, they reveal that Zaraki is actually a demon that escaped (only one of its kind) during the same incident that lead to Rukia leaving too (since there is hints of her being tied to hell). They even have her resemble a demon in one of the movies.
Well usually that would be the case. But TYBW Ichigo is in an entirely different class of Soul Reaper since he got his true Zanpakuto (which is absolutely badass) and the Ouken which serves as his armor. Not to mention Ichigo's reiatsu is so strong it can take on visible form just with his basic strength alone. Even TYBW Zaraki would have a very difficult time against Ichigo now. Don't even consider Zaraki and Ichigo going Bankai to Bankai, because that would be a clash so cataclysmic it could destroy the entire Soul Society before a winner is determined. Do remember Ichigo's Bankai in TYBW was strong enough for SK Yhwach to consider a serious threat. Even after SK Yhwach took away much of his power, Ichigo was still able to oneshot him with that same Bankai. Zaraki is weaker than Yhwach; thus he'd get oneshotted as well if it came to that.
In CFYOW Kyoraku needed to step in and settle a possible escalation between Zaraki and the arrancars. He is the head captain, if Zaraki were ever to step out of line. Shunsui will be the one to take the responsibility. After all, Kyoraku asked Central 46 to teach Zaraki proper swordsmanship so he knew the risk.
This is the same novel where Kyoraku scaled to Tokinada, who only has about the same Reiatsu level as Base/Shikai Byakuya and Base Yoruichi. Meanwhile Zaraki was fighting Hikone who’s above the weakened soul king…while Zaraki was still using a sealed Zanpakuto. Same novel also had Toshiro and Byakuya get written out of the story to help Ichigo with a threat that he wasn’t believed to be able to defeat on his own. The top 3 Shinigami eclipse Kyoraku in raw stats, his only saving grace is his battle IQ and hax. Byakuya and Toshiro are traditional battle IQ geniuses while Zaraki is an instinctual battle IQ genius outside of Bankai, significantly stronger spiritual energy negates hax, act 3 requires Kyoraku to have higher reiatsu than his opponent to survive, and Adult Toshiro hax nulls anyone that isn’t weaker than Vollstandig Gerard Kyoraku may be the head captain but he’s not the strongest Gotei member currently
@@jocoolshow I think Kyoraku didn’t want to kill Tokinada. He was later assassinated. Zaraki was also subconsciously holding back to enjoy the fight longer. Hisagi pointed out that Hikone wouldn’t be a suitable opponent due to Hikone being too weak. It literally needed Ichigo, Byakuya and Toshiro removed for the story to have some tension. Why wouldn’t they want to help out Ichigo though?! They are quite fond of him. Toshiro also needs a certain amount of time to turn adult. Until then every opponent would try to defeat him. Kyoraku‘s Bankai act 2 drains the opponent’s reiatsu to a equivalent level
He knew the risk. It doesn't mean he could actually take zaraki in a fight. He knew the risks of releasing aizen as well. Do u think kyoraku can take aizen on?
@@-------....___He's not wrong... Kenpachi JUST awakened his true powers after his fight with Unohana, throughout the TYBW arc his powers were immensely immature, now that you know that and it's out of the way. Let me explain why pernidas warping worked on Kenpachi. Because Kenpachi fought the second strongest Quincy after Juha, Gremmy, the being whose powers were that of imagination. Kenpachi defeats Gremmy but just barely.. had that meteor fallen on SS everyone's dead. Including Pernida. Juha didn't absorb the SK.. None of the elite guard is obliterating that meteor. They all die. Kenpachi gets thrown into space which, Pernida would die as he has no feats to say he would survive it. Kenpachis reiatsu ceiling is higher than Pernidas. Why was his warping able to affect Kenpachi? Because Kenpachi was already in a weakened state against Gremmy as well as being caught off guard by the Quincy girls knocked unconscious almost, wakes up, goes to find more enemies and comes across Mayuri and Pernida (while in base) and heavily beaten, with eye patch on. Charges in because that's what he does and his arm gets warped. He tears it off. With Mayuri stating he'd be nothing but meatballs if he didn't do that, although I beg to differ because then Zarakis reiatsu would start to focus and negate the ability. During the novel Spirits are forever with you, it was implied that Zarakis reiatsu would negate even Barragins respira... Now, knowing all of this, you tell me why pernidas warping worked on Kenpachi and after what you just heard Simo say. If you still don't understand then too bad.
@@SuperCrysis92 You are referencing SAFWY, which is not canon. So discussing anything about power levels with you is pointless. All this nonsense of 'negating' abilities with reiatsu is mainly the wankfiction of Narita and his novels, who is a well known Zaraki wanker. Zaraki cannot negate Barragan. Gremmy fight was stupid, as he only imagined things Zaraki could cut.
Kenpachi isn’t immortal. He would not survive the final act. They’re on similar levels of reiatsu . To negate hax you have to have tremendously more reiatsu. That’s why one of the only times we see it is soi fon vs Aizen. Soi fon is base captain to mid captain level tops. Aizen is elite and possesses twice the reiatsu as a normal captain. Kyoraku and Zaraki are both Elite captain level. Just like Lille and Kyoraku were both elite level and none of the acts of Kyoraku’s bankai are negated. The only reason Kyoraku’s final act of bankai didn’t work was cause of Lille’s immorality that makes the ceremonial sword the only thing that can kill him. Kyoraku in bankai is beating zaraki high diff but there is just no way around it unless zaraki is immortal which he’s not
No they aren’t on similar levels of Reiatsu Kenpachi one shotted a soul king level being in Shikai alone this same being Shunsui admitted he can’t defeat the final act will be negated with superior Reiatsu.
Shunsui posed no threat to Aizen. If Aizen didn’t have his complete hypnosis, even though Aizen is stronger in everything when compared to Shunsui, then Shunsui bankai could be dangerous to Aizen for sure. But as long as Shunsui is under Aizen’s hypnosis, he can’t do anything.
@-------....___ shunsui's bankai involves everyone which is why he didn't use it. If he did, regardless of kyoka suigetsu aizen would be trapped in it and the last act of the bankai with the thread cutting doesn't need the person to actually perceive the threat. The bankai automatically goes for the targets in the zone
@@-------....___ shunsui will not mistake the reiatsu from his own zanpakuto. Once he uses the bankai he will definitely kill aizen in the last act cause it’s implied to target everyone in the zone regardless of whether Shunsui can see them
@@thedude633 but doesn’t Aizen at that point have the hogyoku. Doesn’t that make him similar to Lille, who just regenerated after each level of Shunsui’s bankai?
No he didn’t nearly lost he nerf himself. It only took him the basic fighting art to beat niotorra which is holding his sword with 2 hands. He nerf himself just to have a fun and close to death fight because that’s what he enjoy
@@thewarrior8497 He didn't kill Yammy alone. Yammy was the strongest Espada, but just in raw strength. Doesn't mean anything. You do know Zaraki fought with Byakuya against Yammy, right?
@@User5hdbhit’s not, bot. When episode 21 of TYBW clearly shows Aizen has both his eye seals because Azashiro didn’t remove the eye sea;, you still want to believe nonsense. SAFWY is clearly proven non canon. Stop wanking please
I think that so long as Shunsui uses Bankai the best Zaraki can do is *draw* due to the sharing of wounds we know that Mayuri has to update his eyepatch when Zaraki's level increases from SAFWY *we know TYBW Zaraki wasn't able to Reiatsu neg Mayuri's Shikai* we know that Mayuri was in control of handling the troops when the second invasion started since he said to Kyoraku that "he had been doing his job while Kyoraku was busy having tea with the enemy" we know that Zaraki didn't leave Muken before the second invasion started too since Isane didn’t know about Unohana's death until Zaraki told her (and she would have been watching like a hawk for news on that) unless Zaraki left like minutes or 1 to 3 hours tops before the invasion start a time at wich Mayuri would have been awol making his laboratory free of shadows so *canonically* there is no way for Zaraki to Reiatsu neg Kyoraku's Bankai if he's not negging Shikai Mayuri and furthermore Kyoraku wasn't even getting Reiatsu negged by Lille who no version of Zaraki could even do a thing about Hikone lost to Hisagi *no Szchustafael would have lost to Hisagi's Bankai equalized or not* Szchustafaels >>>Hikone all day people overate Zaraki a lot the glazing is insane maybe pay more attention and you will see these things ...
People overate Zaraki purely because of SAFWY. He got a power up there, which made him stronger than Cien, who was the strongest Espada (non-canon). That power up that he got there, was supposed to be the power up he should have got in TYBW. So basically when you consider, if Zaraki as per canon, got the only and correct power up in TYBW, then pre TYBW he is stronger than Espada no.5 only. But because of SAFWY, he is stronger than Espada 0/1, and that is just silly. And that also pushes Unohana to weird abnormal levels as well. And the novels are the only place where this nonsense of 'negating' comes from. The one time it actually happened in the manga, was actually under an illusion, and was between an average captain level shinigami and Aizen (who has the strongest reiatsu, abnormal). If the novels were not there, Zaraki is at Nnoitra level, and Unohana perhaps near to Ulquiorra level but still below. Post TYBW, with no limiters now, he is now stronger than the Espada in raw strength only, but still able to be affected by their hax abilities.
Kyoraku is all about brain, strategy and survival but Zaraki is all about muscle and strength... And we all know how this will turn out. I'll put my bet on Kyoraku if the battle lasts long.
Kyoraku isn't stupid enough to try to fight Zaraki head-on though, because he knows he'll get taken out if he does. He'll always try for a sneak attack of some sort instead. And he can also hide in the shadows to prolong the battle enough to wear Zaraki down. Kyoraku should take this one.
@cameraredeye3115 wtf is wearing zaraki down while shunsui is in tge shadows??? Air?? Zaraki isn't going to be fighting nothing while shunsuis in the shadows.
I haven’t watched yet, but I’ve been saying for years that Kyoraku’s Bankai can’t beat Zaraki, Byakuya and Toshiro because act 3 requires Kyoraku to have more Reiatsu than his opponent or to get them to panic to work. All 3 have ridiculously more Reiatsu than him. Kyoraku admitted that SAFWY Zaraki was stronger than him, and despite Kyoraku getting stronger, Zaraki’s Unohana training was massive. And Toshiro scales to God Size Gerard and Shikai Kenny in his immature Bankai and scales above Vollstandig Gerard with Bankai Kenny’s power Miracle amping him on to of that. As for Byakuya, according to CFYOW, his Base/Shikai state is relative to Tokinada and Shikai Kyoraku…but unlike Kyoraku, Byakuya’s Bankai is a notable speed buff and durability buff to the blades in Defense mode, a massive AP/Durability buff to the blades in Senkei, and a massive all around amp in Shukei: Hakuteiken Which ofc is reiatsu based
Byakuyas bankai has no speed buff to himself, only his petals. It's stated in cfyow that kyoraku was confident he could kill tokinada without enra kyoten in just his shikai. Tokinada who had equal rieatsu to Byakuya. So even if byakuya has more rieatsu, it's not enough to make a difference. Acts 1, 2, and 3 bypass the defense from Byakuyas bankai. Shunsui has also shown more endurance feats than byakuya. Getting holes blasted through his body and getting up like nothing happened. Having his stomach blown open, but still able to stand and support nanao. So act 1 can be fatal to byakuya. We don't know the ap of act 2, but it would have to be decently high to matter in a bankai. By act 3, byakuya would be weakened enough to land the final act. It's stated that even tokinada who had more rieatsu than shunsui, feared shunsuis bankai.
@@-------....___cfyow and manga is more than enough to say zaraki solos shunsui. Past 1st invasion tybw, there's not a single feat or statement placing shunsui higher than zaraki.
Current zaraki would soul crush even yamamoto. Shunsui is a fodder to him. Shunsui admitted he couldn't even take on safwy zaraki. Who got lot stronger during later fights, then trainned with unohana who would one shot shunsui. There's nothing to discuss. CFYOW zaraki > squad zero > gotei 13
This is true, although Kyoraku is one of the most inconsistently written characters with regards to alleged reiatsu and feats (I believe Kyoraku all things considered is still a bit more deadly than Bya or Yoruichi). But it’s true - CFYOW cements Kenny as the absolute strongest shinigami there is and possibly ever was, with only Ichigo, hogyoku-evolved Aizen and of course SK Yhwach being above him.
@@elton3028 No. Although he did not specify Zaraki in that ONE statement, there are many other statements and feats in that book that put Zaraki even ABOVE Ichibe.
Gerard was literally blitzing and one shotting Zaraki and even knocked him out of his Bankai. Gerard second last transformation > tybw Zaraki (what he could take on power at that arc in Bankai)
@@Ronnie90210If you really knew... You would have payed attention to Yachiru in her explanation to the vanishing Quincy... Her blade, is also Zarakis blade... Sanpo kanju are apart of Kenpachi it's a copy cat sword that does not miss its target. NO MATTER WHAT.
@@SuperCrysis92 "Sanpo kanju are apart of Kenpachi"? i don't know about that bc i know zaraki's fact, but i think if zaraki can use it he will never miss, no matter what
I wouldn't bet on that. Do remember that Kyoraku likes to attack his opponents from their blind spots instead of clashing head-on with them. Not to mention he can easily hide in the shadows to evade Zaraki's attacks while he pelts Zaraki down to his level slowly. Then he can go Bankai for the win. Zaraki is extremely powerful, yes, but his range is very limited. He can't hit anyone that doesn't get within range of his sword, and that's a crucial weakness that Kyoraku can and will exploit.
@@cameraredeye3115 I would bet on that. Everyday and twice on Sunday. Do you remember that Zaraki can fight without his senses(reference fight with Tosen). Good luck trying to find a blindspot with those insane instincts and Zaraki can hit you from a distance with just the force from a swing of his base zanpaktou. This is proven in not only ch.113 pg.6, where he cuts thru an entire building with the force of a swing but also in ch.666 pg.18, where he cuts Gerard's arm off from a distance. Zaraki can easily defeat Shunsui while being eyepatched and with his base zanpaktou.
And let's not forget that in the fight against Gerard, Yachiru was the one who said "bankai", not Zaraki himself, so that means that his bankai wasn't at full power. Imagine him controling and developing his bankai until the time of Can't fear your own world. If i remember correctly, i think that in Can't feear your own world Shunsui said that Zaraki isn't as strong as Yamamoto yet, but i think he would definitely be stronger than Shunsui.
I honestly think Aizen overestimated kenpachi power during that time he did state that he thought that the espada should have been stronger then him together but he was wrong
That was the most pointless fight. Gremmy could have done anything. Headless Zaraki, Zaraki arms made of cookies (like he already did to Yachiru), Zaraki with no arms, Zaraki sword made of cheese, Zaraki the size of an ant etc. Anything literally. But instead, he kept imaging things Zaraki could 'cut'. Great character development for Gremmy, and great plot armor for Zaraki. Gremmy should have fought someone with hax, like Aizen. Imagination vs illusions.
@@muchoyurdem5260Smh I stg people just mistake Gremmys imagination power as wishing. Like, Gremmy literally tried imagining everything he could to defeat Zaraki, even throwing him in pure space and he cuts through it. Imagine you have those powers and your enemy cuts through the void you just sent him in. Then try imagining all of zarakis powers, only to realize that Kenpachi is the only body in bleach capable of containing his powers. Which is why Gremmy died. Really don't understand why fans just can't understand that concept. Like it's hard for fans to accept nor comprehend that Kenpachi is as powerful as he is without any sort of training. Not that as a boy he was stronger than the first Kenpachi as well as the previous noble ancestors, being born and bred in the most dangerous district (Zaraki) during the bloodiest and strongest generation of all the original gotei. His shikai has a shikai of her own... I mean.. Kubo literally gave us all the hints as to why Zaraki Kenpachi is anomaly existing in his manga.
@@muchoyurdem5260 Oh yes, explain how it works now. Are you gonna go on about how Zaraki has so much reiatsu that Gremmy can't affect him physically? Or some nonsense like that? Prove to me Gremmy doesn't have the same reiatsu as Zaraki.
@@SuperCrysis92 Nope, it was a stupid fight. Gremmy could have easily done what he did to Yachiru. Turn Zaraki arm's bones into cookies. It is plot armor that things he was thinking of were things Zaraki can cut. It was silly.
Kyoraku would have to go Bankai and instantly use his most lethal act because Kenpachi, even in Base, with eyepatch and using a single arm could one-shot Kyoraku by twitching his arm in his general direction.
It wouldn't even surprise me if you told me kenpachi can solo prime soul king without anyone helping him because Kubo gives him plot Armour all the time same thing with trash mayuri kubo needs to get over his soul reapers favoritism
@-------....___ nobody has said unohana solos the soul king. U clearly have biased hatred for either unohana or Zaraki if u think that. The most overrated bleach character is ulquiorra and it's not even close.
@@Blackmustache870yammy fought two captains, and had no hax abilities. Unohana only beat Zaraki in sword fight, which is specialty of kenpachi division. Doesn’t mean Unohana can defeat Yammy. Unohana not beating top 4 Espada.
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Kyoraku's bankai is different with every use. The theme is theatre and creating acts suited to the opponents and the situation. If there would be more people caught in the bankai it would create a whole theatre play with a role and a scenario to die for everyone, friend or foe. That's why he couldn't use his bankai during Aizen attack, and perhaps that is why Aizen wasn't worried to much about it.
If Kyoraku would be able to break Zaraki's spirit during those acts then the attacks would have an effect and Kyoraku would win. Lille Barro didn't drop on the bottom of the ocean because of Kyoraku's reiatsu but because he started feeling despair - that created an entry for the bankai to work, the thread was just an aftertouch. Even Zaraki - the monster he is - has a psychological weak point and that is Unohana. Kyoraku is an inteligent beast and he would exploit that.
On a side note lets remember that Kyoraku does have a Leviathan level of reiatsu.
This is a great comment.
Kyorakutard spotted
I agree with your statement that "Kyoraku's bankai is different with every use" but theres going to be uncertainty until it gets demonstrated in the source material. I hope we get to see it in the hell arc.
Interesting analysis.
Great video! I've always believed this theory for years.
When Zaraki used his Shikai for the first time and CUT THROUGH SPACE AND TIME during his battle with Gremmy I knew he was on another level. I think he's probably the 3rd strongest character in the verse post TYBW after Ichigo and Aizen respectvely.
I believe Kenpachi has a special fragment of the soul king within him that has yet to be revealed. Along with his natural monstrous strength that fragment might be the source of what puts his reaitsu on a god like level‼️‼️‼️
Shunsui: Bankai...
Zaraki: Bankai...
Zaraki: ...
Shunsui: Katen Kyokotsu Kara- *gets cut in half.*
Head captain kyoraku is a tough individual but kenny jus different
Truth. They are better off in their respective roles, both warriors yet one waits for battle while the other reforms Soul Society for the very first time.
Even the royalty of the soul society did not think Yamamoto would be able to stop Zaraki if they kept training him in the anime.
If Zaraki would ever go too wild, the head captain is going to have to stop him. He knew the risks when he asked central 46 to teach Zaraki proper swordsmanship
@@Grayson-Winchester If that ever happens Gotei 13 and be extension those at the top in the nobility will definitely initiate laws regarding power limits and who exactly can be a Shinigami from grunt to Captain. As it is now recruitment selections have been liberalized but who knows.
@@manuelacosta9463 there are already laws that set power limits.
Yamamoto was central 46‘s most powerful enforcer. Their judgment was absolute to him.
So they established many law that didn’t allow soul reapers to ever become as or more powerful than him.
Mayuri would self destruct his Zanpakuto. It is the Job of the science division, and they bound Aizen in ChairSama ❤
Kenpaci zaraki has the highest reietsu in the soul society
I think it was Aizen. Seems like an experiment, and Aizen used to be respected and trusted. He also Rukia to Karakura so she would end up giving him her powers.
You’re assuming Kyoraku’s bankai has one play, and completely skip his seemingly limitless shikai. Example: bankai kenpachi shouldn’t be able to do a lot of damage to Kyorau if he cuts the wrong or prominent color on Kyoraku. Kenpachi has large reiatsu reserves, but that doesn’t mean he can squash every ability. Mayuri’s shikai is enough to immobilize and kill Zaraki. In context, other nobels and strong fighters will pose the same threat. What Zaraki is capable of achieving with brute strength is remarkable, but characters like Kyoraku wouldve been able to handle Gremmy or Toshin. Toshin would’ve lost to characters like Byakuya and Bambi given their power is used offensively and defensively even in a black coffin. If Aizen had to battle Kenpachi, he would’ve mostly likely killed him easily given Royd/Loyd put Kenpachi in a coma. Kyoka Suigetsu would’ve worked on Kenpachi because Aizen has larger Reiatsu reserves even without the hogyoku. Kenpachi is monstrous, but he’s not unbeatable, and increasing his speed and cutting power in bankai won’t always get the job done since there are characters that can equalize the playing field, eg. shuhei, tsukishima, kyoraku, kisuke. Realistically, the only people who posed real threat to Aizen before hogyoku and during SS arc are the head captain, Unohana, and Kyoraku as they were the strongest people in the show until dangai ichigo. Kyoraku might not be as electric as Zaraki, but he is the current strongest captain in the gotei
No one posed a threat to Aizen, except Yama zanpaktou. Shunsui was already under his hypnosis. Unohana not even in the same league
@@-------....___ everyone was under hypnosis. Given that, Yama’s zanpakuto would also be useless. Aizen was more afraid of their physical strength and not knowing the full extent of their power. Unohana and Yama, at that time, are leagues above everyone in raw strength and battle IQ. Yama had to come in contact with Aizen’s zanpakuto to be able to break out of the hypnosis. Experienced fighters would know that, and even Kenpachi had to use this tactic against Toshin to defeat him. Unohana’s battle IQ might be the highest of all fighters at base level, and x100’s stronger than Kenpachi until TYBW. Also, If Aizen were trapped in Kyoraku’s bankai’s spiritual pressure then he wouldn’t escape. Not only that, but Aizen most likely doesn’t know the power of Kyoraku’s bankai. Then these three people are the obvious threats from the reader’s pov. What characters say are from their pov and it’s not always true.
@@jvoughnnblake341 So Yama zanpaktou would be useless, but Aizen created a whole Arrancar to seal it? LOOOOOOOOOL. Aizen himself said he would lose against Ryujin Jakka. Are we watching the same anime?
Aizen was more afraid of their physical strength, not knowing their full extent of power. Where did you get this from? Evidence?
Unohana is 'leagues' above everyone in raw strength and battle IQ. Where did you get this from? Evidence?
Unohana's battle IQ might be highest at base level, and x100s stronger than Zaraki till TYBW. Where did you get this from? Evidence?
Aizen 'most likely' doesn't know the power of Kyorakus Bankai. Where did you get this from? Evidence?
See what I mean? Everything you are saying is just made up fan fiction, and goes against the Manga and Anime.
I mean TBH, when Unohana herself says she and the other captains stand no chance against Aizen, and when Kubo has already told us that Aizen's abilities (without his hypnosis) is above all the captains, you still want to wank her incessantly. It is weird.
GG
@@jvoughnnblake341 Yama zanpaktou is useless, but Aizen created an arrancar to specifically seal it, and he himself said he would lose against Ryujin Jakka.
'Aizen was more afraid of their physical strength and not knowing the full extent of their power'. Evidence please?
'Unohana and Yama at that time, are leagues above everyone in raw strength and battle IQ.' Evidence please of this Unohana feat.
'Unohana’s battle IQ might be the highest of all fighters at base level, and x100’s stronger than Kenpachi until TYBW'. Evidence please.
'but Aizen most likely doesn’t know the power of Kyoraku’s bankai. ' Evidence please.
See, most of what you are saying is just made up wankfiction fan fiction.
Are we even watching the same anime?
Unohana has clearly herself said she is no match for Aizen. So why incessantly milking her?
@@-------....___ not everything is spelt out in Bleach and that’s how Kubo likes to write. Yama is affected by Aizen’s hypnosis, then what good is Ryugin Jakka if it can’t reach Aizen? Will it effectively just nuke the entire world? Possibly. Is that effective? Not really. It’s Yama’s combined experience with Ryugin Jakka that makes him a threat. If that weren’t the case, what’s stopping Aizen from just fatally slashing Yama since he can effectively construct whatever reality he chooses. Then, if experience and raw power, combined with a deadly zanpakuto are what poses a threat to Aizen, then based on what else we see from Kyoraku’s and Unohana in TYBW, then they fit the bill given they are just as strong when the show starts through to the end. Unohana is the first Kenpachi and a master swordsman. She may not be more powerful than Yama, but her title as Kenpachi and her experience makes her just as deadly. With her bankai, she stood well within a good place of troubling Aizen. Being a threat doesn’t mean that they have better feats or are stronger than Aizen, but can also be the case. Of the 3 oldest captains who rarely release their bankai, one would think nobody has seen Kyoraku’s, Unohana’s or Yama’s bankai’s in recent years. The quincies who shadowed the soul society for over 1000 years haven’t seen Kyoraku’s bankai or the version of his bankai that we see him fight Lille with. Lille had no information on Kyoraku’s bankai. Yama's bankai also changed over 1000 years and the quincies did not see that then Aizen wouldnt have either. Unohana hid her abilities for centuries, and Yama hid his for a very long time as well. Aizen may have some information about each, but he’s never witnessed or knows the full extent of their abilities because he’s much much younger and never fought them before. And yes, bankai and zanpakuto abiliies refine over time + experience. The original argument was that Zaraki couldn’t have been a threat to Aizen because he was leagues behind all 3 of the aforementioned captains until TYBW, and this falls short of surpassing Yama or Kyoraku presently. There, I've used your brain for you.
Shunsui takes this.
Easy Zaraki can't even get a kill without dying too so the best it can go for him is a draw
Shunsui has control over when and how things go and Zaraki has no awnser for the shared wounds
@TerreneitorPlusUltra Not easy, though. It's still depends on how the fight goes. If Shunsui doesn't go Bankai directly, then Zaraki wins because of that, but Shunsui should be smart enough to do that, and Zaraki either way mostly doesn't kill his opponents directly nor goes all out from the beginning.
@@muchoyurdem5260 when it's either draw or death for the other guy i say the one forcing that situation has it easy
all Kyoraku has to do if he thinks he can't win is get hit in Bankai for a draw
Zaraki on the other hand has much lower odds at winning such as killing Kyoraku pre Bankai
other than that the best he can do is draw
@TerreneitorPlusUltra Buddy, if one side can just blitz and one shot (like Zaraki), then it's not easy, lol. And even with Shunsuis Bankai activated, there is still a possibility for Zaraki to win because he's more durable
And you're arguing for an "easy win" in the first place, so a draw isn't included because it's not a "win"
Drawing and winning are not the same. You're just picking and choosing the side you're favoring and including a draw in your Shunsuis "easy win" claim lmao.
Zaraki actually doesn't have low win cons because he's definitely capable of killing Shunsui pre Bankai.
If Bankai isn't included, Zaraki wins literally 9/10 times lol.
"Other than that, the best he can do is a draw."
Again, a draw is not a win, nor an "easy" win for Shunsui.
@muchoyurdem5260 if Lille didn't oneshot Kyoraku what makes you think Zaraki will? yeah not likely
it's "easy" because there's no real potential for a Kyoraku loses scenario
Kyoraku’s Bankai is such a wildcard
Kyoraku, mayuri and toshiro beat kenpachi. Byakuya is equal as portrayed through the whole story
Not by the end of the series and the novel CFYOW, though. Kenpachi becomes MASSIVELY more powerful.
@@ailaxl CFYOW which is not even confirmed canon but instead is a kenpachi fan fiction lol. toshiro is barely mentioned in CFYOW
@@xPepe1310 Thank god, someone with some logic. These Zaraki wankers are fixated on the novels, which are clearly wankfiction of kenpachi. SAFWY also wanks Zaraki and by default then Unohana to insane levels.
@@xPepe1310someone with some brains
@@xPepe1310cfyow is just like a little spoilers for bleach fans to argue,but Kenny's fankids just tend to imagine things that suit them lol
Based on this argument, we are assuming Shunsui has a greater reaitsu than Lille Barro, but that isn't necessarily the case. A stronger argument can be made that Lille Barro has a greater Reaitsu. Therefore, I don't think Reiatsu can completely negate Shunsui's bankai. Beyond that, although this isn't a Kenny vs Shunsui argument, I would argue that Shunsui has a ton of experience, tactics, and is willing to fight dirty. Currently, Shunsui wins, but after the hell arc and more secrets are revealed about Zaraki, who knows?
It's simple really. For one zaraki doesn't feel guilt during battle so his second stage wouldn't do nothing. Not to mention zaraki reiastu is too high for shunsui to drain before he runs out of reiastu so it's useless for the 3rd stage of shunsui's bankai
If his bankai in the future is mastered maybe not otherwise Kyoraku should win easy similar to Pernida
Zaraki was in base, eyepatch, and testing pernida. Wtf r u talking about?
@@Blackmustache870 enough internet for you Lil fanboy
@@haenselderpimp more books for u illiterate dumb4ss
@@haenselderpimp HAHAHAHA. This Zaraki fanboy won't stop.
@haenselderpimp Base novel Zaraki will turn Pernida into burger. Base. Not even shikai 😂
imo Kyoraku takes it high diff, his Bankai and better tactics should get him the win, people underestimate him and over hype Kenpachi.
People also forget that rieatsu>hax
@ghhbpolo that's fair but strategy/tactics > rieatsu as well.
@ezramiller8936 unlike kisuke and mayuri, shunsui doesn't have any drugs that can bypass rieatsu, so no strategy can rlly help shunsui in this situation.
@@Blackmustache870it is not. We have only seen it once, and that was Aizen/Soi Fon. And most of that battle was an illusion anyways. If the difference is too great, like Aizen and Soi Fon, then perhaps. But difference between Shunsui and Kenpachi is not that big.
@@Blackmustache870 kenpachi did not ‘negate’ Tousen bankai with his reiatsu. Stop wanking kenpachi
Unless they have sometype of healing hax or is immortal like Lillie any soul reapers dying to shunsui bankai.
2:08 I thought the second was implied to be Unohana at that time, not Zaraki.
Why would Aizen be wary of Zaraki when at that time he could literally oneshot and kill him in base, as shown by Unohana killing and reviving a stronger Zaraki over and over again for hundreds of times?
Aizen is not reviving him... I think you're wrong on that one.
Aizen didn't mention who it was because Kubo wanted to use it to foreshadow Unohana's power later on, why wouldn't Aizen just say Yamamoto and Kenpachi Zaraki?
Other than that, you did a good job exploring this match up.
The second was not implied to be Unohana. At no time was Unohana a threat to Aizen. She said it herself - no stands a chance against Aizen except Ichigo. This is from a novel that was not canon. Aizen clearly said in the manga/anime that the power of the Gotei 13 is the captains, and he has trapped half of them in HM, meaning half the power of the Shinigami is gone. He didn't specify any individual.
@@-------....___CFYOW is cannon
what's being shown to not be cannon is Blade Brave Souls footage
@@TerreneitorPlusUltra proof of it being canon?
@@-------....___ CFYOW cannon proof? Kubo's name in it as byline and a source for things
I'm no CFYOW lover but it is cannon
@@TerreneitorPlusUltra In that way, Kubo was involved in the filler arcs too. Doesn't mean they are canon.
Even the bleach wiki doesn't consider it canon.
"It's half-canon at best. Some major plot points and things might be canon, considering the author has asked Kubo about them. But Kubo did not write it, there is no way of knowing which parts are canon and which are author's license, and therefore it is not useful for deciding canon because it'll just lead to an endless debate in the face of our lack of confirmation. It's highly possible that Kubo just sketched out generalities about the plot and the villain characters are completely original. Or even Kubo gave Narita a few major points he wanted to cover and let Narita go totally crazy with the plot otherwise.'
I can't imagine Kenpachi losing
Thank you Simo for keeping the Fandom alive and encouraging thoughts and theories.
My random thought: imagine that in the Hell arc, they reveal that Zaraki is actually a demon that escaped (only one of its kind) during the same incident that lead to Rukia leaving too (since there is hints of her being tied to hell). They even have her resemble a demon in one of the movies.
Zaraki is a demon, and you are a kenpachi wanker. It all fits.
Kenny jus crazy and got a fighting addiction 😂😂😂 that's why ichigo would run away every time
Exactly! 😂☠️
Well usually that would be the case. But TYBW Ichigo is in an entirely different class of Soul Reaper since he got his true Zanpakuto (which is absolutely badass) and the Ouken which serves as his armor. Not to mention Ichigo's reiatsu is so strong it can take on visible form just with his basic strength alone. Even TYBW Zaraki would have a very difficult time against Ichigo now.
Don't even consider Zaraki and Ichigo going Bankai to Bankai, because that would be a clash so cataclysmic it could destroy the entire Soul Society before a winner is determined. Do remember Ichigo's Bankai in TYBW was strong enough for SK Yhwach to consider a serious threat. Even after SK Yhwach took away much of his power, Ichigo was still able to oneshot him with that same Bankai. Zaraki is weaker than Yhwach; thus he'd get oneshotted as well if it came to that.
@@cameraredeye3115 couldn't have said it any better
In CFYOW Kyoraku needed to step in and settle a possible escalation between Zaraki and the arrancars. He is the head captain, if Zaraki were ever to step out of line. Shunsui will be the one to take the responsibility.
After all, Kyoraku asked Central 46 to teach Zaraki proper swordsmanship so he knew the risk.
This is the same novel where Kyoraku scaled to Tokinada, who only has about the same Reiatsu level as Base/Shikai Byakuya and Base Yoruichi. Meanwhile Zaraki was fighting Hikone who’s above the weakened soul king…while Zaraki was still using a sealed Zanpakuto. Same novel also had Toshiro and Byakuya get written out of the story to help Ichigo with a threat that he wasn’t believed to be able to defeat on his own.
The top 3 Shinigami eclipse Kyoraku in raw stats, his only saving grace is his battle IQ and hax. Byakuya and Toshiro are traditional battle IQ geniuses while Zaraki is an instinctual battle IQ genius outside of Bankai, significantly stronger spiritual energy negates hax, act 3 requires Kyoraku to have higher reiatsu than his opponent to survive, and Adult Toshiro hax nulls anyone that isn’t weaker than Vollstandig Gerard
Kyoraku may be the head captain but he’s not the strongest Gotei member currently
@@jocoolshow I think Kyoraku didn’t want to kill Tokinada. He was later assassinated.
Zaraki was also subconsciously holding back to enjoy the fight longer. Hisagi pointed out that Hikone wouldn’t be a suitable opponent due to Hikone being too weak.
It literally needed Ichigo, Byakuya and Toshiro removed for the story to have some tension. Why wouldn’t they want to help out Ichigo though?! They are quite fond of him.
Toshiro also needs a certain amount of time to turn adult. Until then every opponent would try to defeat him.
Kyoraku‘s Bankai act 2 drains the opponent’s reiatsu to a equivalent level
He knew the risk. It doesn't mean he could actually take zaraki in a fight. He knew the risks of releasing aizen as well. Do u think kyoraku can take aizen on?
@@Blackmustache870Unohana can solo Aizen and Ywach at the same time yes?
@@-------....___when tf did I say that retard?
Bro forgot pernida vs zaraki
Bro forgot zaraki had eyepatch no shiksi no bankai, and was only testing pernida
@@Blackmustache870 stop Lil fanboy
@@haenselderpimp Dude, this guy is such a fanboy. He literally went to every comment to defend his boyfriend Zaraki.
@@-------....___He's not wrong... Kenpachi JUST awakened his true powers after his fight with Unohana, throughout the TYBW arc his powers were immensely immature, now that you know that and it's out of the way.
Let me explain why pernidas warping worked on Kenpachi. Because Kenpachi fought the second strongest Quincy after Juha, Gremmy, the being whose powers were that of imagination. Kenpachi defeats Gremmy but just barely.. had that meteor fallen on SS everyone's dead. Including Pernida. Juha didn't absorb the SK.. None of the elite guard is obliterating that meteor. They all die. Kenpachi gets thrown into space which, Pernida would die as he has no feats to say he would survive it. Kenpachis reiatsu ceiling is higher than Pernidas.
Why was his warping able to affect Kenpachi? Because Kenpachi was already in a weakened state against Gremmy as well as being caught off guard by the Quincy girls knocked unconscious almost, wakes up, goes to find more enemies and comes across Mayuri and Pernida (while in base) and heavily beaten, with eye patch on. Charges in because that's what he does and his arm gets warped. He tears it off. With Mayuri stating he'd be nothing but meatballs if he didn't do that, although I beg to differ because then Zarakis reiatsu would start to focus and negate the ability. During the novel Spirits are forever with you, it was implied that Zarakis reiatsu would negate even Barragins respira...
Now, knowing all of this, you tell me why pernidas warping worked on Kenpachi and after what you just heard Simo say. If you still don't understand then too bad.
@@SuperCrysis92 You are referencing SAFWY, which is not canon. So discussing anything about power levels with you is pointless. All this nonsense of 'negating' abilities with reiatsu is mainly the wankfiction of Narita and his novels, who is a well known Zaraki wanker. Zaraki cannot negate Barragan. Gremmy fight was stupid, as he only imagined things Zaraki could cut.
Kenpachi isn’t immortal. He would not survive the final act. They’re on similar levels of reiatsu . To negate hax you have to have tremendously more reiatsu. That’s why one of the only times we see it is soi fon vs Aizen. Soi fon is base captain to mid captain level tops. Aizen is elite and possesses twice the reiatsu as a normal captain. Kyoraku and Zaraki are both Elite captain level. Just like Lille and Kyoraku were both elite level and none of the acts of Kyoraku’s bankai are negated. The only reason Kyoraku’s final act of bankai didn’t work was cause of Lille’s immorality that makes the ceremonial sword the only thing that can kill him. Kyoraku in bankai is beating zaraki high diff but there is just no way around it unless zaraki is immortal which he’s not
No they aren’t on similar levels of Reiatsu Kenpachi one shotted a soul king level being in Shikai alone this same being Shunsui admitted he can’t defeat the final act will be negated with superior Reiatsu.
Everyone not even realize that kenpachi is immortal 😂
But Kyoraku did NOT lose to Aizen, he faked going down so he didn't have to fight lmao
Shunsui posed no threat to Aizen. If Aizen didn’t have his complete hypnosis, even though Aizen is stronger in everything when compared to Shunsui, then Shunsui bankai could be dangerous to Aizen for sure. But as long as Shunsui is under Aizen’s hypnosis, he can’t do anything.
@-------....___ shunsui's bankai involves everyone which is why he didn't use it. If he did, regardless of kyoka suigetsu aizen would be trapped in it and the last act of the bankai with the thread cutting doesn't need the person to actually perceive the threat. The bankai automatically goes for the targets in the zone
@@thedude633 If Aizen controls all the sense, he won't even let Shunsui use his bankai. Remember, he altered time for Ywach :)
@@-------....___ shunsui will not mistake the reiatsu from his own zanpakuto. Once he uses the bankai he will definitely kill aizen in the last act cause it’s implied to target everyone in the zone regardless of whether Shunsui can see them
@@thedude633 but doesn’t Aizen at that point have the hogyoku. Doesn’t that make him similar to Lille, who just regenerated after each level of Shunsui’s bankai?
It will be quite the fight, Kenpachi's sheer durability and penchant to survive the impossible and reality bending danger gives him an edge.
What a stupid point. Aizen was not afraid of Zaraki. That is just novel wankfiction, not canon. That Zaraki almost lost to Nnoitra.
And later on kills the strongest espada in yammy lol
No he didn’t nearly lost he nerf himself. It only took him the basic fighting art to beat niotorra which is holding his sword with 2 hands. He nerf himself just to have a fun and close to death fight because that’s what he enjoy
@@thewarrior8497 He didn't kill Yammy alone. Yammy was the strongest Espada, but just in raw strength. Doesn't mean anything. You do know Zaraki fought with Byakuya against Yammy, right?
Just accept it lol, its canon
@@User5hdbhit’s not, bot. When episode 21 of TYBW clearly shows Aizen has both his eye seals because Azashiro didn’t remove the eye sea;, you still want to believe nonsense. SAFWY is clearly proven non canon. Stop wanking please
I think that so long as Shunsui uses Bankai the best Zaraki can do is *draw* due to the sharing of wounds
we know that Mayuri has to update his eyepatch when Zaraki's level increases from SAFWY
*we know TYBW Zaraki wasn't able to Reiatsu neg Mayuri's Shikai*
we know that Mayuri was in control of handling the troops when the second invasion started since he said to Kyoraku that "he had been doing his job while Kyoraku was busy having tea with the enemy"
we know that Zaraki didn't leave Muken before the second invasion started too since Isane didn’t know about Unohana's death until Zaraki told her (and she would have been watching like a hawk for news on that) unless Zaraki left like minutes or 1 to 3 hours tops before the invasion start a time at wich Mayuri would have been awol making his laboratory free of shadows
so *canonically* there is no way for Zaraki to Reiatsu neg Kyoraku's Bankai if he's not negging Shikai Mayuri
and furthermore Kyoraku wasn't even getting Reiatsu negged by Lille who no version of Zaraki could even do a thing about
Hikone lost to Hisagi *no Szchustafael would have lost to Hisagi's Bankai equalized or not* Szchustafaels >>>Hikone all day
people overate Zaraki a lot the glazing is insane maybe pay more attention and you will see these things ...
People overate Zaraki purely because of SAFWY. He got a power up there, which made him stronger than Cien, who was the strongest Espada (non-canon). That power up that he got there, was supposed to be the power up he should have got in TYBW. So basically when you consider, if Zaraki as per canon, got the only and correct power up in TYBW, then pre TYBW he is stronger than Espada no.5 only. But because of SAFWY, he is stronger than Espada 0/1, and that is just silly. And that also pushes Unohana to weird abnormal levels as well. And the novels are the only place where this nonsense of 'negating' comes from. The one time it actually happened in the manga, was actually under an illusion, and was between an average captain level shinigami and Aizen (who has the strongest reiatsu, abnormal). If the novels were not there, Zaraki is at Nnoitra level, and Unohana perhaps near to Ulquiorra level but still below. Post TYBW, with no limiters now, he is now stronger than the Espada in raw strength only, but still able to be affected by their hax abilities.
you gotta be trolling anyone caught in kyorakus bankai is gg unless immortal your done and each act is different even
Kyoraku is all about brain, strategy and survival but Zaraki is all about muscle and strength... And we all know how this will turn out.
I'll put my bet on Kyoraku if the battle lasts long.
Rieatsu>anything shunsui has
@@Blackmustache870 okay wanker
@@-------....___ which part did I wank
Kyoraku isn't stupid enough to try to fight Zaraki head-on though, because he knows he'll get taken out if he does. He'll always try for a sneak attack of some sort instead. And he can also hide in the shadows to prolong the battle enough to wear Zaraki down.
Kyoraku should take this one.
@cameraredeye3115 wtf is wearing zaraki down while shunsui is in tge shadows??? Air?? Zaraki isn't going to be fighting nothing while shunsuis in the shadows.
I haven’t watched yet, but I’ve been saying for years that Kyoraku’s Bankai can’t beat Zaraki, Byakuya and Toshiro because act 3 requires Kyoraku to have more Reiatsu than his opponent or to get them to panic to work.
All 3 have ridiculously more Reiatsu than him. Kyoraku admitted that SAFWY Zaraki was stronger than him, and despite Kyoraku getting stronger, Zaraki’s Unohana training was massive.
And Toshiro scales to God Size Gerard and Shikai Kenny in his immature Bankai and scales above Vollstandig Gerard with Bankai Kenny’s power Miracle amping him on to of that.
As for Byakuya, according to CFYOW, his Base/Shikai state is relative to Tokinada and Shikai Kyoraku…but unlike Kyoraku, Byakuya’s Bankai is a notable speed buff and durability buff to the blades in Defense mode, a massive AP/Durability buff to the blades in Senkei, and a massive all around amp in Shukei: Hakuteiken
Which ofc is reiatsu based
Byakuyas bankai has no speed buff to himself, only his petals.
It's stated in cfyow that kyoraku was confident he could kill tokinada without enra kyoten in just his shikai. Tokinada who had equal rieatsu to Byakuya. So even if byakuya has more rieatsu, it's not enough to make a difference. Acts 1, 2, and 3 bypass the defense from Byakuyas bankai. Shunsui has also shown more endurance feats than byakuya. Getting holes blasted through his body and getting up like nothing happened. Having his stomach blown open, but still able to stand and support nanao. So act 1 can be fatal to byakuya. We don't know the ap of act 2, but it would have to be decently high to matter in a bankai. By act 3, byakuya would be weakened enough to land the final act. It's stated that even tokinada who had more rieatsu than shunsui, feared shunsuis bankai.
SAFWY is not canon. Without SAFWY, kenpachi wankers lose
@@-------....___cfyow and manga is more than enough to say zaraki solos shunsui. Past 1st invasion tybw, there's not a single feat or statement placing shunsui higher than zaraki.
@@Blackmustache870you are wanking kenpachi too hard in my opinion. Slow down. You don’t need to go into every comment and type your wank fiction.
@-------....___ ur going in every zaraki vid to shit on unohana and zaraki but coming at me for looking at every comment?🤡🤡
I say cap on most levels.
Current zaraki would soul crush even yamamoto. Shunsui is a fodder to him. Shunsui admitted he couldn't even take on safwy zaraki. Who got lot stronger during later fights, then trainned with unohana who would one shot shunsui.
There's nothing to discuss.
CFYOW zaraki > squad zero > gotei 13
This is true, although Kyoraku is one of the most inconsistently written characters with regards to alleged reiatsu and feats (I believe Kyoraku all things considered is still a bit more deadly than Bya or Yoruichi). But it’s true - CFYOW cements Kenny as the absolute strongest shinigami there is and possibly ever was, with only Ichigo, hogyoku-evolved Aizen and of course SK Yhwach being above him.
You taking medications bro? Hahaha
It’s literally stated in CFYOW that no captain (including zaraki) can hold a candle to old man Yama by shunsui
@@elton3028 No. Although he did not specify Zaraki in that ONE statement, there are many other statements and feats in that book that put Zaraki even ABOVE Ichibe.
what is bro smoking 😂
Kyouraku is a boss for sure and then kenpachi just hands like any opps the L, so...
are u moroccan ? ur accent seems moroccan and "simo" is a moroccan name (not rlly a name we use it as shortcut for si-mohammed)
Don't forget kenpachi speed attack , one hit with kenpachi bankai even jerard can't dodge it. Zaraki is unpredictable❤❤
i mean, he was huge target
Gerard was literally blitzing and one shotting Zaraki and even knocked him out of his Bankai.
Gerard second last transformation > tybw Zaraki (what he could take on power at that arc in Bankai)
@@Ronnie90210If you really knew... You would have payed attention to Yachiru in her explanation to the vanishing Quincy... Her blade, is also Zarakis blade... Sanpo kanju are apart of Kenpachi it's a copy cat sword that does not miss its target. NO MATTER WHAT.
@@SuperCrysis92 "Sanpo kanju are apart of Kenpachi"? i don't know about that bc i know zaraki's fact, but i think if zaraki can use it he will never miss, no matter what
ZARAKI KENPACHI: THE ONE PUNCH MAN OF BLEACH..
Zaraki wipes the floor with Shunsui and it's not even close.
I'm wiping the floor with ya ma kid
I wouldn't bet on that. Do remember that Kyoraku likes to attack his opponents from their blind spots instead of clashing head-on with them. Not to mention he can easily hide in the shadows to evade Zaraki's attacks while he pelts Zaraki down to his level slowly. Then he can go Bankai for the win.
Zaraki is extremely powerful, yes, but his range is very limited. He can't hit anyone that doesn't get within range of his sword, and that's a crucial weakness that Kyoraku can and will exploit.
@@cameraredeye3115 I would bet on that. Everyday and twice on Sunday. Do you remember that Zaraki can fight without his senses(reference fight with Tosen). Good luck trying to find a blindspot with those insane instincts and Zaraki can hit you from a distance with just the force from a swing of his base zanpaktou. This is proven in not only ch.113 pg.6, where he cuts thru an entire building with the force of a swing but also in ch.666 pg.18, where he cuts Gerard's arm off from a distance. Zaraki can easily defeat Shunsui while being eyepatched and with his base zanpaktou.
Tybw arc Zaraki doesn't win against Shunsui. Stop the cap
@@kanoreese1253 Kenpachi wanker fanboy
And let's not forget that in the fight against Gerard, Yachiru was the one who said "bankai", not Zaraki himself, so that means that his bankai wasn't at full power. Imagine him controling and developing his bankai until the time of Can't fear your own world. If i remember correctly, i think that in Can't feear your own world Shunsui said that Zaraki isn't as strong as Yamamoto yet, but i think he would definitely be stronger than Shunsui.
Kyoraku's Bankai Can't Defeat Zaraki Kenpachi but his Shikai can... we just need to find the right game
I honestly think Aizen overestimated kenpachi power during that time he did state that he thought that the espada should have been stronger then him together but he was wrong
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Aizen never overestimated or underestimated. This speech of Aizen, about Zaraki, so from a non canon novel
Aizen not overestimated lol, you are too overestimated aizen, wake up
@@User5hdbhyou are sad. Kubo wrote the character of Aizen, not us.
WELL DUH!! AINT NO WAY KYORYAKU IS GONNA BEAT ZARAKI.. NOW WAY!
I mean Kenny has a lot more Reiatsu than Kyoraku... isn't that enough?
Of course Kenpachi is stronger so his Bankai would of course will definitely gives him advantage.
Shunsui bankai is a contest of reiatsu while they are both in the ocean part. Zaraki has more reiatsu.when zaraki masters bankai he takes it mid diff
kesterpachi solos
Against pernida? 😂
He was in base with an eyepatch and testing pernida@@haenselderpimp
@@Blackmustache870calm down. No need to wank Zaraki this much. Hahahahaa. Going into every comment. Zaraki gave it to you?
@-------....___ do u deny zaraki was not in shikai or bankai nor dud he swing with full force? If so, ur blind.
@@Blackmustache870 And he basically got destroyed by Pernida. Lol.
I believe Kenpachi wins mid diff.
Gremmy should have just imagine zaracki headless lol
That was the most pointless fight. Gremmy could have done anything. Headless Zaraki, Zaraki arms made of cookies (like he already did to Yachiru), Zaraki with no arms, Zaraki sword made of cheese, Zaraki the size of an ant etc. Anything literally. But instead, he kept imaging things Zaraki could 'cut'. Great character development for Gremmy, and great plot armor for Zaraki.
Gremmy should have fought someone with hax, like Aizen. Imagination vs illusions.
That's not how it works
@@muchoyurdem5260Smh I stg people just mistake Gremmys imagination power as wishing. Like, Gremmy literally tried imagining everything he could to defeat Zaraki, even throwing him in pure space and he cuts through it. Imagine you have those powers and your enemy cuts through the void you just sent him in. Then try imagining all of zarakis powers, only to realize that Kenpachi is the only body in bleach capable of containing his powers. Which is why Gremmy died. Really don't understand why fans just can't understand that concept. Like it's hard for fans to accept nor comprehend that Kenpachi is as powerful as he is without any sort of training. Not that as a boy he was stronger than the first Kenpachi as well as the previous noble ancestors, being born and bred in the most dangerous district (Zaraki) during the bloodiest and strongest generation of all the original gotei. His shikai has a shikai of her own... I mean.. Kubo literally gave us all the hints as to why Zaraki Kenpachi is anomaly existing in his manga.
@@muchoyurdem5260 Oh yes, explain how it works now. Are you gonna go on about how Zaraki has so much reiatsu that Gremmy can't affect him physically? Or some nonsense like that? Prove to me Gremmy doesn't have the same reiatsu as Zaraki.
@@SuperCrysis92 Nope, it was a stupid fight. Gremmy could have easily done what he did to Yachiru. Turn Zaraki arm's bones into cookies. It is plot armor that things he was thinking of were things Zaraki can cut. It was silly.
Kyoraku would have to go Bankai and instantly use his most lethal act because Kenpachi, even in Base, with eyepatch and using a single arm could one-shot Kyoraku by twitching his arm in his general direction.
Ok Wanker. Could Zaraki also one shot low diff Kubo?
@@-------....___ This is gonna be fun. Show me why I'm wanking so I can see you fail colossally at it.
You butthurt?
@@olo703 How Zaraki touches your butt? HHHHHHHHHHHH
It wouldn't even surprise me if you told me kenpachi can solo prime soul king without anyone helping him because Kubo gives him plot Armour all the time same thing with trash mayuri kubo needs to get over his soul reapers favoritism
Not jUST Zaraki, they say the same thing about Unohana. They say she solos everyone also, even soul king
@-------....___ nobody has said unohana solos the soul king. U clearly have biased hatred for either unohana or Zaraki if u think that.
The most overrated bleach character is ulquiorra and it's not even close.
@@Blackmustache870ulquirra bums Unohana hard.
@-------....___ yammy>>ulquiorra l
Zaraki did well vs yammy, unohana one shot a stronger zaraki
You: ulquiorra>>unohana🤡🤡
@@Blackmustache870yammy fought two captains, and had no hax abilities. Unohana only beat Zaraki in sword fight, which is specialty of kenpachi division. Doesn’t mean Unohana can defeat Yammy. Unohana not beating top 4 Espada.