Can you do an in depth kick tuning tutorial? I know theres lots, and it Obv all depends on the drum/heads/room etc, but I'd love to see your approach, and what head relationships you like.
great demo! not sure if anyone aware of this, but to me it doesn't look like a copy of an Emad (Evans) but a hybrid version of their muffling ring with a foam you'd out put beneath the head (the white one) but in the front. glad they did the 16" version too!
Hey I have had good results cutting out the black dot on my old cs coated snare head and using it as a bass drum patch just use thin clear shipping tape to put it on your P3 or SMT
Hey thanks for making this video! I just put my beaters through an emad 2. I just ordered the emperor smt figuring it was the same idea only Remo. I did order the Evens AF Patch with it and am looking forward to seeing how that combo sounds. Quick question if you have the time, ... I've got a bit of a beater obsession. I've bought and tried many different brands and models, but always end up back with my decades old Tama Iron Cobra wood beaters. How would you say that those compare to your Low Boys?
Great demo. The SMT sounds deeper but missing the "click". A better patch instead of the Evans is the Aquarian "Kick Pad" or their "Super Thin". I tried an Evans E-Mad and didn't like it and when I put their brand patch that came with it it was terrible. I think the Aquarian Super Kick 2 is close to the PS3 or at least I like the sound of both. Again, great content!
Pearl Masters Retrospec. It’s just black, not black nickel. But it is gorgeous and sounds massive. I just bought a new C&C kit with black nickel hardware. Video coming soon!
Yeah I’d agree with you on the slight volume drop. I think it’s mostly as a result of the mid frequencies that are less present in the SMT. Less frequency = power perceived volume. However, those same mids with the P3 tend to get scooped out in the EQ stage for me, so I’m not really sure which reigns supreme. Both heads are great though
@@EliGreenDrums- I go by the philosophy that my drums need to be able to compete un-mic'd in a live situation. This is why I've run PowerStroke 3 or 4 batters with Ebony PowerStroke 3 Resos with no muffling. I do like using the Falam Slam patches though. I want as much cut and volume potential as I can get out of my bass drum.
Yeah I just switched from Emad2 to PS3 with a pillow inside and love it! Gives me a nice bright attack to cut through mix on top of beefy low end. The Emad was a little too "thuddy" and lacked dynamics for my taste.
It’s good for sure, especially on its own. But doesn’t mix well with the rest of the kit. I like tone and the P3 has more. I’d still go with emporers all the way around
Hey bro, Your video was greatly helpful. I have a Pearl Professional series and would really like to know if I should opt for an Emad or Remo Smt ambassador.?
To me, the perceived loudness of the bass drum from behind the kit is quieter with pre-muffled heads like the EMAD, SK, etc. vs dampened heads like the REMO PS3, EVANS EQ3 , AQUARIAN FORCE 1. How does the SMT fare in this aspect?
Any muffling makes a drumhead quieter. It’s muffling, right? It muffles. But what it does is focus the tone to be more balanced in the areas you want. Less mid range being the main one. The SMT is the same. I wouldn’t say it’s that much different to a PS3 with a blanket or pillow in there as far as volume. Maybe a little quieter. But much more mid controlled and has more attack straight out the gate.
@@EliGreenDrums absolutely! I get so many compliments with how I get my kicks sounding so good at every show 👌🏼give it a shot! I don't think it looks bad either 👍🏼 The thumbnail of this video is my dw's with it and then the actual kit in the video also has it but it's hard to see lol th-cam.com/video/9zubACVDPDo/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
The PowerStroke 3 IS "muffled." It uses a 10 mil inner ring around the circumfrence under the playing side of the film. As far as sound, they sound very similar. The convenience of not having to deal with those goofy foam rings that always seem to have issues when in transport, I'd take the PowerStroke 3. The PowerStroke 3 and 4 were all they really ever needed. These heavily muffled bass heads are pointless - so many guy are still stuffing them with pillows and blankets anyways. It defeats the purpose and extra expense of a pre-muffled head. If one is just going to throw a pillow or something else in their vass drum, they owe it to themselves to try a regular Ambassador, C.S., Emperor, or PinStripe with a regular 10 mil reso. As far as this test is concerned. PowerStroke 3 - no contest.
Big fan of the PS3 and single ply BD heads. I think for heavier genres the EMAD/SMT style heads do a lot for ease of use and they have a certain slappy/clicky sound that while the other heads CAN do, they require a little more work. I think it’s a little redundant to be concerned with what level of muffling is required to achieve certain tones. Every drum is different. This C&C kick in particular is very warm and mid range focused, so to get it to do a modern rock/metal sound like I tend to shoot for, it needs some extra dampening in places. It’s less about an inadequacy of the head and more the specific build of that drum.
Powersonic was the worst kick drum head I’ve ever used. Currently using the SMT clear on my Starclassic Maple. Sounds ok. Not a game changer for me. Powerstoke 3 or 4 still in lead for my preference.
I'm sorry but Evans has left Remo, especially when it comes to snares. Triple flanged hoops and Remo heads don't mix. Swap to an Evans and the drum will stay in tune wayyyy better.
You do realise the hoop has more to do with the drum staying in tune than the head? The tension rods detune from the vibration more than anything else. Especially under rimshots. Sure, the head can stretch out under heavy playing but no brand is immune to that. Also worth noting I have an Evans head set on a piccolo snare right now (it’s even fitted with triple flanges) and it detunes just as fast as anything else.
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More vids like this bro, unreal content
I gotchu! More vids on the way!
Can you do an in depth kick tuning tutorial? I know theres lots, and it Obv all depends on the drum/heads/room etc, but I'd love to see your approach, and what head relationships you like.
I’ll put it on the list!
@@EliGreenDrums Thanks homie!
The Emad (10ply) and Gmad (12ply) are both single ply. The Emad2 is double ply.
Correct, I misspoke in the video. The Amb SMT is a 10mil single ply like the EMAD. The Emp SMT is a 2 ply like the EMAD2.
@@EliGreenDrums all good man, great review ‼️‼️‼️
I recently put this on a 22 inch yamaha stage custom bass drum with nothing else in it, no porthole. CRAZY dynamic sound 💥👊🏽
great demo!
not sure if anyone aware of this, but to me it doesn't look like a copy of an Emad (Evans) but a hybrid version of their muffling ring with a foam you'd out put beneath the head (the white one) but in the front. glad they did the 16" version too!
I mean it’s not a 1:1 copy buuuuut it ain’t far off haha
Just copped the Emperor clear today:)
Using it next weekend for an open air festival on Saturday.
It’s gonna be pretty dope.
Hell yeah!
Brilliant vid demonstration bud! I love the Emad, used them for years back when I played the drums.
Hey I have had good results cutting out the black dot on my old cs coated snare head and using it as a bass drum patch just use thin clear shipping tape to put it on your P3 or SMT
Separate dots used to he made available from Universal Percussion years ago.
Yo that’s actually a cool idea.
Thank you for the excellent comparison and content.
Thanks for watching!
Hey thanks for making this video! I just put my beaters through an emad 2. I just ordered the emperor smt figuring it was the same idea only Remo. I did order the Evens AF Patch with it and am looking forward to seeing how that combo sounds. Quick question if you have the time, ... I've got a bit of a beater obsession. I've bought and tried many different brands and models, but always end up back with my decades old Tama Iron Cobra wood beaters. How would you say that those compare to your Low Boys?
Great demo. The SMT sounds deeper but missing the "click". A better patch instead of the Evans is the Aquarian "Kick Pad" or their "Super Thin". I tried an Evans E-Mad and didn't like it and when I put their brand patch that came with it it was terrible. I think the Aquarian Super Kick 2 is close to the PS3 or at least I like the sound of both. Again, great content!
I’ll have to try that patch!
Great sounding kit! What snare drum are you playing??
I think that’s my 14x6.5 C&C Brass
Great video! Btw, what is the kit on your right? Gorgeous finish with nice BN hardware!
Pearl Masters Retrospec. It’s just black, not black nickel. But it is gorgeous and sounds massive. I just bought a new C&C kit with black nickel hardware. Video coming soon!
p3 allday. I think the smt is great but abit quieter than the p3
Yeah I’d agree with you on the slight volume drop. I think it’s mostly as a result of the mid frequencies that are less present in the SMT. Less frequency = power perceived volume. However, those same mids with the P3 tend to get scooped out in the EQ stage for me, so I’m not really sure which reigns supreme. Both heads are great though
@@EliGreenDrums- I go by the philosophy that my drums need to be able to compete un-mic'd in a live situation.
This is why I've run PowerStroke 3 or 4 batters with Ebony PowerStroke 3 Resos with no muffling.
I do like using the Falam Slam patches though. I want as much cut and volume potential as I can get out of my bass drum.
Yeah I just switched from Emad2 to PS3 with a pillow inside and love it! Gives me a nice bright attack to cut through mix on top of beefy low end. The Emad was a little too "thuddy" and lacked dynamics for my taste.
It’s good for sure, especially on its own. But doesn’t mix well with the rest of the kit. I like tone and the P3 has more. I’d still go with emporers all the way around
Hey bro,
Your video was greatly helpful. I have a Pearl Professional series and would really like to know if I should opt for an Emad or Remo Smt ambassador.?
Honestly I bet you’d be hard pressed to hear a difference. I’m a remo guy myself but both heads will sound great
To me, the perceived loudness of the bass drum from behind the kit is quieter with pre-muffled heads like the EMAD, SK, etc. vs dampened heads like the REMO PS3, EVANS EQ3 , AQUARIAN FORCE 1. How does the SMT fare in this aspect?
Any muffling makes a drumhead quieter. It’s muffling, right? It muffles. But what it does is focus the tone to be more balanced in the areas you want. Less mid range being the main one. The SMT is the same. I wouldn’t say it’s that much different to a PS3 with a blanket or pillow in there as far as volume. Maybe a little quieter. But much more mid controlled and has more attack straight out the gate.
I always used to put an emad on the both the batter and reso side. Now.. it'll be smt's on both lol
Oh and I always have a hole cut into the reso 👌🏼
Double SMT! that’s intense. So you rock the foam ring in the front too?
@@EliGreenDrums absolutely! I get so many compliments with how I get my kicks sounding so good at every show 👌🏼give it a shot! I don't think it looks bad either 👍🏼
The thumbnail of this video is my dw's with it and then the actual kit in the video also has it but it's hard to see lol
th-cam.com/video/9zubACVDPDo/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
Honestly I still like Powerstroke 3 better :)
They’re both great heads! Depends what you’re going for I think
Aaaaactually. I'll just use my powerstroke. Much sharper than emad's dull muffled sound.
With all that processing I am not sure it matters what head you use. Why do you keep referencing it as an emad in the video captions?
Yeah that was a Freudian slip, I didn’t realise I’d mislabelled it til after I’d uploaded it.
Are they Fear Factory runners?
Fallen - my favourite skate shoe brand as a kid back from the dead! Similar logo though!
Is that a 20in kick? I've been trying to see what this head sounds like on a 20.
22! I’m just tall at setup like I’m trying to reach the moon 😂
The PowerStroke 3 IS "muffled."
It uses a 10 mil inner ring around the circumfrence under the playing side of the film.
As far as sound, they sound very similar.
The convenience of not having to deal with those goofy foam rings that always seem to have issues when in transport, I'd take the PowerStroke 3.
The PowerStroke 3 and 4 were all they really ever needed. These heavily muffled bass heads are pointless - so many guy are still stuffing them with pillows and blankets anyways. It defeats the purpose and extra expense of a pre-muffled head.
If one is just going to throw a pillow or something else in their vass drum, they owe it to themselves to try a regular Ambassador, C.S., Emperor, or PinStripe with a regular 10 mil reso.
As far as this test is concerned.
PowerStroke 3 - no contest.
Big fan of the PS3 and single ply BD heads. I think for heavier genres the EMAD/SMT style heads do a lot for ease of use and they have a certain slappy/clicky sound that while the other heads CAN do, they require a little more work.
I think it’s a little redundant to be concerned with what level of muffling is required to achieve certain tones. Every drum is different. This C&C kick in particular is very warm and mid range focused, so to get it to do a modern rock/metal sound like I tend to shoot for, it needs some extra dampening in places. It’s less about an inadequacy of the head and more the specific build of that drum.
EMAD2 Is 2 ply version not Gmad!😉
Realised that after I posted it! 😅😅
EMAD Heavyweight or EMAD2 all day long!!😁
Powersonic was the worst kick drum head I’ve ever used. Currently using the SMT clear on my Starclassic Maple. Sounds ok. Not a game changer for me. Powerstoke 3 or 4 still in lead for my preference.
Power sonic was truly bin worthy.
Titles are incorrect on recap or are you really comparing an emad to the ps?
Yeah I noticed that after I uploaded it. Oops
The drumming and sound of your kit is pretty damn sweet! Especially like the snare.
Ah, the REMAD 😂
HAHA calling it this from now on
I'm sorry but Evans has left Remo, especially when it comes to snares. Triple flanged hoops and Remo heads don't mix. Swap to an Evans and the drum will stay in tune wayyyy better.
You do realise the hoop has more to do with the drum staying in tune than the head? The tension rods detune from the vibration more than anything else. Especially under rimshots. Sure, the head can stretch out under heavy playing but no brand is immune to that.
Also worth noting I have an Evans head set on a piccolo snare right now (it’s even fitted with triple flanges) and it detunes just as fast as anything else.
Evans is cheap trash