LOL Negan, now that hes all reformed now, he talks about his past self like his past self would have given a shit about ANY of the people in that Satellite. They were his soldiers, nothing more. So him justifying his actions like it was justice instead of just malicious retribution is laughable.
Whether he cared for the soldiers at the station or not is irrelevant. The ones who felt the loss cuz they had family and friends at the station is who he says he's doing it for and in the show it showed he does care for his people.
He did care about his troops he just had a lot of them compared to what we’ve seen to our main group which is small and a family negan was pissed a lot of them died from Rick and he didn’t wanna go to war bc he will lose a lot of soldiers he built he didn’t care about the other groups he only took care of his own and his eyes made them stronger and kept shit locked down which unfolded when they thought he died
@@aaronsanders6162 nah he definitely regrets crossing with Rick. Negan lost his power and dominance because of him. Even Negan said it himself, he wouldn't have messed with Rick beard guy.
The difference is clear. Rick's crew didn't attack and murder and enslave whomever they encountered to their own benefit. The Saviors did. In Rick's crew there was no class system, with workers supporting the higher-ups. At the Sanctuary, there was.
People are being too dramatic about this shit "From Negan’s viewpoint, he did what he felt he had to." Yea, what he had to do in terms of maintaining power, attacking innocent people, and keeping his sex "servants." Doesn't make him justified in any way or equate him to ricks group. There are no "good" people but there are totally better and significantly worse. Then there's Negan who was downright a scumbag.
big deal Rick was still the one that picked the fight against the saviors him and his group attacked negans people in the middle of the night when they were in their beds sleeping, not to mention Rick also murdered a man and stole his daughter so there's no good or bad between the two sides since there both have done terrible things.
People are kind of willfully ignoring the fact that Negan was made to look like a psychopath at the beginning so Rick's group could be the heroes once again. Slowly, the show reveals nothing is that cut and dry, which is something that should have been learned by now, but nobody wants to accept it. There are no good guys here.
@Dootie isn’t it interesting though? That he could do everything he did and still a lot of viewers often find themself on his side…. Makes you think it’s not far fetched that he was able to create an army of loyal followers. Fans that love Negan could easily become one of the saviors if/when they come across someone like negan in the apocalypse
@@alastair7095 nah, this weird redemption/peace arc with Negan is shit writing. We like the character yes, but this guy would be dead by now. And i dont care for why the characters let him live. We just love Jeffrey Dean Morgan.
All those Negan lovers know deep down they would hate to have their face ironed and forced to be separated from their wife while he enjoys their company anytime he wants.
The thing Negan still doesn’t seem to grasp is that his people wouldn’t had been at risk from Rick’s group if they weren’t out murdering and stealing from everyone. He is like 90% of every career criminal I’ve ever met, nothing is ever their fault.
@@Zarken26 You were very eloquent. That was awesome. However, you left out a major detail: The Saviors attacked Rick's group first, so they had no choice but to respond. When Darryl and company were attacked in the road by the Saviors, they never heard of Negan and the Saviors. They were minding their own business going down the road. I'm a war Veteran that actually led men into battle. Battle Tactics are in my wheelhouse. I would have stealthily observed the Saviors compound for days so I can get accurate info as far as numbers, weaknesses, routines, etc. Then, and only then, I would launch my attack and wipe them out. I would kill the leader to make an example out of him. Yeah, the lines between Good and Evil can get a little blurry if society collapses, but certain behaviors and actions are still evil no matter what. Negan was an evil POS by the CHOICES he made that he didn't have to make. Attacking a group of people that are going down the road that haven't done anything to you is always an evil act regardless of whether society is up and running or not. If I had beaten Negan in single combat like Rick did, I would have killed him. He's evil, he killed my friends for absolutely no reason, and his group under his leadership had been terrorizing everyone around them. Yep, the only way to deal with an evil POS is the same as a rabid dog: You put it down.
This season really gave a twist to the series, which was already coming with a very strong decline, these scenes are the ones that remind me of the old TWD and its cruel and raw plot
That's why she changed the subject, not defending negan's atrocities, but they were the ones who got cocky without knowing what they were desling with.
@@Boxingbear Rick is going thru the station looking for weapons and he comes across a man defending a room. They get in a violent fight and Rick is able to kill the man. He opens the back room to discover that guy wasn't protecting guns but his baby. Rick feels remorse and guilt before he eventually brings the baby out to Aaron and they take her to hilltop
negan produces a unique situation where the villain refuses to kill the heroes, and the heroes try to kill the villain first chance they get. its usually the other way around
Lol like Negan wouldnt have killed those men just for pissing him off or for "failing him". He talks now like he gave a shit about any of them, at the time, he didnt, they were a means to an end.
@@andrewvasquez7872 i believe they care about negan and negan also care about them. Even when Rick team ask about where is negan, they said "i am negan", this is indicate strong bound to their leader. That's why their bound is strongest than any other Rick enemies.
@@andrewvasquez7872 facts like he wasn't turning his men girlfriends into one of harem of women and kissing them on them in front of them and punishing them for having any kind of interaction with them
@@snowpey3751 This is why I love this game! It puts you in the same place of the other side of the coin. Ellie & Abby were practically the same. They were so focused on getting revenge, they disregarded how their actions would affect other people and they both essentially lost everything. Some people hate this game, when it actually has a very valuable and important lesson when it comes to perspective and how your actions can make you a monster in someone else's eyes.
Negan kept them alive because he needed them as his slaves, same as every single other community he attacks. Not exactly a hero for sparing people to keep and torture.
Had it been reversed, Ricks group wouldn’t have been enslaving communities. Every group Rick and the gang wiped out had it coming. That’s not to mention the plenty of people from said groups that he took in who surrendered. Comparing Negan and Rick is faulty at best. It’s a parallel the shows been try to force and it just doesn’t work.
you forgot about Batman dark Knight rising they played Bruce's parents when he was young and they were killed in the alley so I guess they've been friends for years and since it was filmed in England that's where the actress is from even though she was born in Massachusetts she has dual citizenship they left for England when she was five years old so she didn't have a say in it that's why she's good with the accent
In everything in life and in war, there are two sides. From Negan’s viewpoint, he did what he felt he had to, and yes he was crushingly cruel in doing it. But the motivation for that lay in a few things. One, his people were attacked and killed WHILE IN THEIR SLEEP. At that point, The saviors had NO contact or real knowledge of Rick’s people. To Negan, it was unprovoked. His people are dead and he has to do SOMETHING. He sends men to deal with it, and they get killed. Some may have been his friends, who knows? But in his eyes, when he finally has the attackers caught, he’s going to want some revenge, and he has to show it to his people because THEY probably want it too. Negan was brutal in dealing with Ricks people, and so were the Saviors. But if you see it from THEIR viewpoint, it was justified. Rick went after the Saviors without knowing anything about them, their capabilities or numbers, or even their intentions. He was arrogant and reckless and stupid, and it cost Glenn and Abraham their lives. Negan had a lot of time in that cell to reflect, and I give him credit for being honest even if it was harsh- it would have been far better for him and the Saviors if he had killed them right there in that forest, all of them. The rest of Alexandria would have fallen right in line.
"One, his people - who massacred, raped and annihilated every other people they met - were attacked and killed WHILE IN THEIR SLEEP." ....ooor, is the motivation irrelevant to you?
Actually it started with Daryl protecting Abraham and Sasha from the biker saviors on Episode 9. The satélite station episode was 12. The saviors actually started it. The saviors did have contact before the satellite station. Negan is 100% in the wrong. Also Dwight captured Daryl in episode 6.
From all the things you wrote, u forgot the most important to specify: Rick and Co attacked unprovoked? Dude, the ones who started that war was Negan's group by threatening and trying to kill Daryl, Abraham and Sasha first. If weren't for that, nothing of those events would've happened. So.. believe me, Rick's group were totally provoked there.
@@pistemutaagio And you really think that shitty of excuse still changes the fact that actually Saviors did still attack them??, wake up dude, it doesn't. Even when they found out about later on, had all the right to think and do what they did cuz were ACTUALLY Saviors after all. Honestly, your interpretation/excuse is the most stupid and garbage dude. ☠️ (And if you don't remember, they actually found out about it when they were talking in Hilltop right before they went to the outspot).
It seems to me that she was already ready to accept him and begin the path to his forgiveness, but he said these words at the end and she “why did you tell me this?”
Maggie became what she hated on her mission for revenge. Her actions after Glenn were done out of spite, not hope. Negan repented for his actions, not out of guilt, but by changing his ways to be someone he could live with being.
When Maggie was dealing with Alden and the captives all I could think about is Glenn wouldn't agree with how she was choosing to go about things first.
Never forget the part that Negan was the one who was terrorizing communities and bashing people brains not Rick and his group. Alot of Negan meat riders are in this comment section. Rick and his group killed people who deserves it and why they deserve it because they attacked Rick's group first lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Negan is one of my favorite characters but Maggie killed those so called husband and fathers because they tried to kill her 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Negan meat riders 🤡🤡
Negan's got a point but here the difference Is between a group of good people who tried to help others, even strangers, in the apocalypse, and a group of gangsters Who took racket from other groups. The saviors were like gangsters. And they had to be taken down. I love Negan and his development, I Hope he can meet Rick and shake hands with him, in Memory of Carl. Because of Negan Is alive Is Just thanks to Carl
Rick's group killed dozens of men they didn't know at all in their sleep. Rick let backpack guy die on the road instead of helping him when he could have just pulled over. Carol murdered 2 people because they were sick and she didn't want them to spread a disease. Morgan murdered random people in the woods because he was insane. Rick murdered a group of saviors who actively freed and helped him and wanted to live in peace. Let's not act like Rick's group were just good Samaritans, Rick himself committed many despicable acts.
@@dwight3555 honestly yeah. I don't see how people think Negan is worse than Simon or Rick for that matter And just to add to the backpack guy, he left him behind because he wanted a seat for if he saw Morgan.
Rick was far from a savior. Has everyone forgot when they showed up at in Sean's group and just took over to help his ego. He done the same thing when he got to hershel's farm as well. Let's not forget how he came to Alexandria and was chasing after a married woman which put her husband to the edge and killed the leaders husband. Rick was the cause of a lot of bad things to the group and they would of been better off if Rick grimes died at that hospital. He was negan before negan was even introduced in the show.
@@v.mvarga4979 Trust me if anyone in that group said anything against rick he would of done the same thing. Killed his best friend over conflict of being the leader. Stole another man's wife to satisfy his own ego and taking control of alexandria which was better off without Rick and their crew. They had been under negans radar for a long time before rick stuck his nose into everything.
Never forget the part that Negan was the one who was terrorizing communities and bashing people brains not Rick and his group. Alot of Negan meat riders are in this comment section. Rick and his group killed people who deserves it and why they deserve it because they attacked Rick's group first lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Negan is one of my favorite characters but Maggie killed those so called husband and fathers because they tried to kill her 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Negan meat riders 🤡🤡
The people at the satelite station kept pictures and photo's of people they killed and that got their heads bashed in...Negan acts like he had one big happy family, they were cruel and evil, at least their soldiers were.
@@MrSporkdude You missed his speech. It wasn't what he did, it was that he broke the rules. The rules were what was keeping them alive and by breaking them their society was in jeopardy. He ironed the guy as an example to others that actions have consequences and they might be very severe. It was savage but it was the closest to law and order they could manage. Negan doesn't ever kill anyone who wasn't trying to screw things up for the saviours in some way. He just always put his own people first... like he should!
this scene kinda makes me feel bad for negan n the saviors. jus him explaining how all those deaths hurt them n why negan killed glenn n abraham. not saying i agree with negan killing em but i understand why he did
Like it or not Negan, Maggie, Rick, Shane They all did what needed to be done to survive You want a psycho, look at the governor. But these guys, they we're just doing what they felt needed to be done to survive.
it's interesting how maggie trying to make it herself or her group better than negan like saying stuff like "the people you killed had families" and yeah everyone that was part of the saviors had families and people that cared about them
Which is actually why Negan brings up Gracie! But Maggie also has a point that Negan has been more brutal and cruel in comparison to her group. But she also can’t pretend that her and Rick’s group were saints either They didn't enslave communities like what Negan did. Even though Rick & Co have done things that are awful, Negan is still guilty of doing much worse
@shane long Rick: "we could just take this place" talking about Alexandria. People's reaction: oh yeah let's go, fuck them, let's kill them all cause they're wimps and Rick's group is badass! Negan: "we could just take this place". People's reaction: How dare you!
@shane long Negan absolutely enslaved people… Many of his own people were practically enslaved… Did you not see what happened with Dwight and Sherry when they tried to leave? Or for that matter anyone who didn’t do as he said? Negan and the Saviors litterally wiped out groups that didn’t follow his “give me half your shit” bs. Alexandrians walked around as equals; many of them prominent members of the community. When Negan came through you were dog that fetched resources for him until you couldn’t no more; then you were just meat bag to get some swings on. Comparing Ricks group in the Saviors is seriously silly, there’s no parallel to draw there.
Wonderful and nuanced. A great scene. I know where Negan is coming from. I'm about honesty, even if it's a hard pill. So is Negan. Wartime leadership. Look it up before you all hate on me. Peace.
Not entirely, Rick didn’t enslave people & made people do stuff against their will, steal girlfriends/wives and use loved ones to get people to stay in his order
They could have come to Negan willing to talk first because even though he is crazy you most definitely could’ve talked TickTock & his crew went straight into attack mode like Morgan said don’t do it.
You guys are talking about heroes and villains, but I think you're all missing the point. There aren't heroes or villains in the world anymore. Maggie isn't a hero, nor is she a villain. Same for Negan. People kill to survive, there's no "right verses wrong"- just survival. They argue about perspective, but everybody is the same in that world.
Thisthisthis I think people count on Negan's 'Redemption' too much when the whole point of it wasn't to make Negan actually redeem himself. It was to show the story wasn't black and white and they were all doing what they *had* to do
@@deckzone3000 Like who? Most the characters in the show have done evil things. Rick and his entire group stormed a group of survivors and killed them in their sleep. A lot of them were likely innocent and just following orders from Negan themselves out of fear.
Terminus? The group that was luring survivors into a slaughter house, and went on too hunt down Ricks group too feed on? Yeah, one hell of a parallel you drew there.
That is a lot more justified given the circumstances but I see your point. Terminus was literal monsters in every single way, they were just straight up evil. Negan at least saw people as a resource Terminus just saw people as food and had zero remorse for survivors they've met and killed. Hell they even lured him to a false sense of security. Negan at least was honest when he came into your group and started doing evil things and at the very least Negan had principles. Terminus had zero principles and were unredeemable people.
Nobody has clean hands in this world. Maggie had a man hanged publicly. Not on the same level as Neegan but just goes to show that NOBODY is innocent in TWD.
welp Negan, if you didn't make your whole surviving the apocalypse plan being to go to any survivor groups, terrorizing, killing and stealing their shit, then maybe you wouldn't be put into a situation where you're men would have been killed.
"The truth is, right and wrong, that doesn't exist anymore. Just fucked people up doing fucked up shit and that's the reality. You can preach about how I killed your family, people you loved, but in the end, what you did to me is no different than what I did to you. We can talk of morality but at the end of the day, every single one of us is a murderer, the only difference is you call it justice and I call it revenge." A quote from one of my main antagonists for a story I was writing, seems to just fit TWD in a lot of ways.
Ok, I know Maggie is a little bit of a psycho now and her actions are barebly justified. But Negan trying to make sense of his sadistic nature and brutality in the past is something that can't be reasoned. The two of them are in the wrong here. Negan was a douchebag, sadistic, a psycho. While Maggie just can't move foward from the past when she saw her husband having his head smashed. She couldn't do what Rick tried to do. Not forgive him, but be better and move foward with life. Instead of doing that, she got through harsh events and is now colder, brutal, even willing to sacrifice that kid in that wagon (11x2). What Rick and his group did to Negan's was violent, animalistic, brutal. That's an undeniable fact, and Rick was almost like a dictator at some point. But another factor that is undeniable is that Negan was also cruel. Let's not forget that, before Rick, Negan made Hilltop and The Kingdom as "hostages", made them work for him afet proving that point. That point. Where he needs to prove that he's serious by smashing someone's head. He was cruel and faced cruelty from another group. It was a whole bloody cycle that was broken by Rick.
None of what Negan did is really cruelty or sadism, it would actually be more reasonable to consider it as pragmatism and even empathy. He tried to keep the largest number of people possible alive, which is why he put on such a show to intimidate others in the hope they would not retaliate so he wouldn't have to kill them. You never see him living "the rich life" despite all the resources he has, unlike Gregory the coward who took a big mansion for himself. Negan is not doing things for himself, he's doing them to keep as many people as he can alive, and he knows how to play his role to ensure that in a brutal world.
Something else too, this is the zombie apocalypse. In negans mind, his actions are somewhat necessary. A broken down society brings out the savages and to live through the shit you have to be a monster.
@@dwight3555 He ironed the faces of his subordinates who were behind and used their wives as his own. Empathy? Really? People need to simmer down with the Negan apologetics. Rick was bad, but he was never close to Negan bad.
@@dwight3555 I can’t believe I just read that. Not cruelty? He was actually being empathetic? Lol. The guy was literally a tyrant, dishing out harsh punishment left and right, and wouldn’t even let people simply leave if they didn’t like the circumstances he provided. Oh and he didn’t live the “rich life”?Guess you didn’t see him spend his time in his man cave, drinking wine and sleeping with his community members wives. Negan fanboys are deluded.
@@moflow8873 Being capable of cruel acts doesn't mean you're cruel. Negan put on a show to keep people in line and prevent the biggest number of people from dying. Drinking a bit of wine and paying prostitutes isn't very rich when you have hundreds of people under your command, a simple guy with a regular job today could easily do that.
I kinda wished I could see that story line. If Negan killed everyone one of them. If we followed the story through negan he would have been our hero and Rick would have been the enemy. I always wanted that story line from the fall now but in negans perspective that would be cool. And have Negan kill Rick and the gang. They had it coming. They wanted to kill negans people just to trade for supplies. He is no different and I don’t blame him. It’s survival of the fittest. Keep yourself and yours alive with whatever means necessary. It’s like Negan said “if you don’t protect what belongs to you, soon or later it belongs to someone else.” Also, what if Rick never killed Shane. I would have loved to see that too.
Whats wild is Negan would have still lost eventually cause Carol and Morgan weren't there and those were the 2 most dangerous protagonists by far. Carol would have sworn revenge and Morgan probably gives up on his "all life is precious" sthick.
Negan is the embodiment of a character who is lawfully evil. Does he kill yes Does he steal yes But at the end of the day negan did have morales. Everything he did he did because he wanted to establish order. It was his order and negan thought it was better than having no rules. He made an attempt to use the savage nature of the lawless world to control the savageness and to an extent he succeeded he made a safe zone where no one had to worry about getting assaulted or ripped from their family’s. Could negan have done better most certainly but he like many people played the best hand he had no different than Eugene and his lying to survive.
Yeah but you forget that Negan's people attacked Daryl, Sasha and Abe in the road out of nowhere and nearly executed them just because Abraham asked who Negan is
@@negan991 Not the saviors, a rogue very small group of saviors that Negan later referred to as a "the dick brigade". Saying Rick was in any way justified is like saying if a group of 5 people attack you, it's okay to murder everyone in their hometown of 2000 people.
@@negan991 I believe that Negan's group attacked Daryl, Sasha, and Abraham because they thought they were part of the Wolves, as the Wolves were killing local communities that supported the Saviors and must have likely clashed with them at some point.
Exactly. How many other Aldens or Dwights did they kill in their sleep? If the Saviors snuck into Alexandria at night and killed all the adults in several households, it would've been considered sadistic and plain evil.
Negan may have a point, but he was still the one who going around and forcing others to summit to his reign of terror. It's one thing to be brutal to keep order, it's another to force his order onto others.
The war with the governor turned rick from a honey bee into a yellow jacket. No more second chances, the old wise man who pulled rick out of his trauma and psychosis lay partially beheaded in the fields he used to tend. The last time that would happen. Rick became brutal. Negan was cocky. They each learned from eachother in a few ways.
In real life, probably only Eugene would've been spared. Negan sparing them was a plot shield. He was not stupid. He had no reason to keep the 'elite Alexandrians' alive and plenty of reasons to cleanse them. Just think about it. He spent 7 years in prison only thinking about that night. He wanted to make them remember it as the worst night of their life. He succeeded, but it is also the worst night of his life.c
Negan is bad but god damn. “There were no children at satellite” and then saying “You can’t debate levels of cruelty” like she didn’t just open up that debate.
Someone should inform Negan that there was never a baby at the Satelite station. 🤦♂️ Also might want to tell the fans, because half of them seem to think the same. Rick's first strike against the Saviors was in season 6. The Savior baby that they took was from a different outpost in season 8. And they didn't steal it, they saved it. If he left it there, it would have starved to death.
Are you certain about that? Because I could've sworn that Gracie was taken during a second attack on the satellite station (which the Saviors had re-established following the season 6 attack).
@@kylashay3027 he will never... because he did what needed to be done for his ppl ... for him, doing this was the right thing to keep the sanctuary working... same as rick's group killed every person in the satellites station to have food from hilltop.
@@callmechoii5459 Saviours collect resource and they were promised to protect Hilltop from walkers. But you know, some people are corrupt. They just took and forget the terms.
They started the war in Season 6 and episode 9 when they were robing Sasha and Abraham and would have killed them if Daryl hadn’t showed up with the RPG
Most people don’t understand the fact that NOBODY in this show is innocent IN THE SLIGHTEST so people saying “past Negan wouldn’t care about the people are the satellite outpost” is bs because if you really look at his chapter you can see that he had that cocky persona because he wanted to hide all his pain, anger, and grief. He did care about his people and that’s why he was so angry at Simon because Simon was to stupid to see he was screwing everything up and Negan new so that’s why he let Simon have a chance in a fight to make it fare but as he’s strangling Simon you can see the anger on his face because he didn’t want Simon to mess up everything. And another example is when Carl told Negan to kill him and Negan actually had to stop for a moment to make sure he heard him right and you can hear the hurt in his voice when he says “CARL! I thought we having a moment you little asshole” and you can see Negan was genuinely upset about Carls death and he even genuinely apologized to Rick about it and he apologized to Carl for making him cry after Carl removed his bandage from his eye or lack there of. And there are plenty other examples if you go back and watch the show
This scene pisses me off slightly Ricks group killing like 30 men while they slept Also at this point negan didnt even no who they were Ricks group with out knowledge or reason just went and killed 30 men like it was a saturday afternoon but negan killing glen wasnt. I get that he did it in a very brutal way and right infront of her while making fun of him but still the idea is ridiculous.
I find it funny how he acts like Rick started it all. Sasha, Bob and Daryl were attacked on the road way before the satellite happened. He's such an hypocrite playing victim card.
If Millie Bobby Brown could also be in Fox she can be considerable for Clem if ever she'd make a debut for atleast just a special participation or a cameo.
@@devantew2015 Well ofc still better since Clem is indeed a latin but sometimes it doesn't even matter whether if it's not as long as she can act accurately.
Negan is not a monster because he killed Glenn. Negan is a monster because he mocked Glenn’s eyeball popping out when he was dying. Negan derived sadistic pleasure out of killing. People who compare Rick and Negan with “oh everybody killed” argument don’t realise this. Negan killed for game. Rick didn’t.
Maggie is literally trying to justify everything when she is just saying because she wants to be in the right when there’s literally no right or wrong since they both tried to kill each other. Rick group killed negan group first not because Daryl Abraham and Sasha got attacked but because they needed supplies lol
Negan acted like a psychopath because he learned how the new world worked, bikers tortured him and he couldn’t save his wife. He knew he needed to get everyone’s shit in line.
What I don’t like is Maggie unwillingness to accept she’s a hypocrite. When they attacked the satellite station, they weren’t acting out of self defence! They were the murderers, plain and simple. They killed people who had families just like they accuse negan of doing but they are only concerned when they’re stupid actions comes back to bite them!
Negan was absolutely the villain, not because he bludgeoned Abraham and Glenn to death, BUT BECAUSE HE WAS FORCING EVERYBODY TO PAY 50% TAXES! AND WHEN THE PEOPLE MADE HIM MAD, HE TOOK 90% AND EVERYBODY'S GUNS AWAY! HE WAS A TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT NOBODY ASKED FOR! HE'S LUCKY TO BE ALIVE. 😏
Nega is a clear social path, he sees all the right in his action and justifes all his crime, but doesn't have the empty a normal human being has for murdering so many and admitting his wrongs.
i get the people are a resource thing ricks Group would not stay in line they would continue trying to push back Negan shoulda killed every single one of them on the first day they all met
LOL Negan, now that hes all reformed now, he talks about his past self like his past self would have given a shit about ANY of the people in that Satellite. They were his soldiers, nothing more. So him justifying his actions like it was justice instead of just malicious retribution is laughable.
Whether he cared for the soldiers at the station or not is irrelevant. The ones who felt the loss cuz they had family and friends at the station is who he says he's doing it for and in the show it showed he does care for his people.
@@douglassgarvey653 eh, that's debatable
@@CoachJohnMcGuirk. how is that? They showed this when they focused on Negan's camp and how they run things there
He did care about his troops he just had a lot of them compared to what we’ve seen to our main group which is small and a family negan was pissed a lot of them died from Rick and he didn’t wanna go to war bc he will lose a lot of soldiers he built he didn’t care about the other groups he only took care of his own and his eyes made them stronger and kept shit locked down which unfolded when they thought he died
You're obviously a savage like Rick and his merry band of hyprocrites.
He regrets crossing Rick.
When an unstoppable bat meets an immovable beard
Lol no he regrets not killing Rick and all his people immediately
Its more like he regrets showing them mercy, should have killed them all.
Its more like he regrets showing them mercy, should have killed them all.
@@aaronsanders6162 who's side are u on bitch
@@aaronsanders6162 nah he definitely regrets crossing with Rick. Negan lost his power and dominance because of him. Even Negan said it himself, he wouldn't have messed with Rick beard guy.
The difference is clear. Rick's crew didn't attack and murder and enslave whomever they encountered to their own benefit. The Saviors did. In Rick's crew there was no class system, with workers supporting the higher-ups. At the Sanctuary, there was.
People are being too dramatic about this shit "From Negan’s viewpoint, he did what he felt he had to." Yea, what he had to do in terms of maintaining power, attacking innocent people, and keeping his sex "servants." Doesn't make him justified in any way or equate him to ricks group. There are no "good" people but there are totally better and significantly worse. Then there's Negan who was downright a scumbag.
big deal Rick was still the one that picked the fight against the saviors him and his group attacked negans people in the middle of the night when they were in their beds sleeping, not to mention Rick also murdered a man and stole his daughter so there's no good or bad between the two sides since there both have done terrible things.
So Rick and the group didn't attack the satellite station?
@@elihowe8863 of course they did
But first saviors killed so Many people and dont forget bikers WHO wanted to kill daryl abraham and Saska for no reason
People are kind of willfully ignoring the fact that Negan was made to look like a psychopath at the beginning so Rick's group could be the heroes once again. Slowly, the show reveals nothing is that cut and dry, which is something that should have been learned by now, but nobody wants to accept it. There are no good guys here.
Negan ironed people’s faces and fucked everyone’s wife 😂 he’s a bit different than Rick.
@Dootie isn’t it interesting though? That he could do everything he did and still a lot of viewers often find themself on his side…. Makes you think it’s not far fetched that he was able to create an army of loyal followers.
Fans that love Negan could easily become one of the saviors if/when they come across someone like negan in the apocalypse
@@alastair7095 nah, this weird redemption/peace arc with Negan is shit writing. We like the character yes, but this guy would be dead by now. And i dont care for why the characters let him live. We just love Jeffrey Dean Morgan.
All those Negan lovers know deep down they would hate to have their face ironed and forced to be separated from their wife while he enjoys their company anytime he wants.
nah it’s definitely clear that he’s evil
The thing Negan still doesn’t seem to grasp is that his people wouldn’t had been at risk from Rick’s group if they weren’t out murdering and stealing from everyone. He is like 90% of every career criminal I’ve ever met, nothing is ever their fault.
They would’ve though Rick was just as savage as negan only negan knew how to get his point across
@@wolf2966 Rick may have been "savage" but he wasnt malicious. Negan tortured people to keep them in line.
And if I was THAT Rick, I would have killed Negan when I had the chance. No mercy to evil!
@@Zarken26 You were very eloquent. That was awesome. However, you left out a major detail: The Saviors attacked Rick's group first, so they had no choice but to respond. When Darryl and company were attacked in the road by the Saviors, they never heard of Negan and the Saviors. They were minding their own business going down the road. I'm a war Veteran that actually led men into battle. Battle Tactics are in my wheelhouse. I would have stealthily observed the Saviors compound for days so I can get accurate info as far as numbers, weaknesses, routines, etc. Then, and only then, I would launch my attack and wipe them out. I would kill the leader to make an example out of him. Yeah, the lines between Good and Evil can get a little blurry if society collapses, but certain behaviors and actions are still evil no matter what. Negan was an evil POS by the CHOICES he made that he didn't have to make. Attacking a group of people that are going down the road that haven't done anything to you is always an evil act regardless of whether society is up and running or not. If I had beaten Negan in single combat like Rick did, I would have killed him. He's evil, he killed my friends for absolutely no reason, and his group under his leadership had been terrorizing everyone around them. Yep, the only way to deal with an evil POS is the same as a rabid dog: You put it down.
bruh how many career criminals do you know?
This season really gave a twist to the series, which was already coming with a very strong decline, these scenes are the ones that remind me of the old TWD and its cruel and raw plot
When Negan brought up Gracie Maggie knew she was being a hypocrite
She was probably thinking "What kind of savages bring their child to an outpost?" The most likely place someone WOULD attack?
That's why she changed the subject, not defending negan's atrocities, but they were the ones who got cocky without knowing what they were desling with.
My memory is falling me. What was the deal.with Gracie again ?
@@iamtotallynot123child has to be SOMEWHERE
@@Boxingbear Rick is going thru the station looking for weapons and he comes across a man defending a room. They get in a violent fight and Rick is able to kill the man. He opens the back room to discover that guy wasn't protecting guns but his baby. Rick feels remorse and guilt before he eventually brings the baby out to Aaron and they take her to hilltop
negan produces a unique situation where the villain refuses to kill the heroes, and the heroes try to kill the villain first chance they get. its usually the other way around
No one was really a hero in the TWD, the show was mainly about survival. Rick's group just happened to be the main characters.
@@chefallahmythit’s proven time and time again that Ricks group are much better people than most though
@@chefallahmythexactly lol, yet majority of Twd fans swear the whole group are good people no matter what they do😂
We always cheered for Rick and his group when they killed an enemy. We never think of the enemy and their people. The loss that they feel
Lol like Negan wouldnt have killed those men just for pissing him off or for "failing him". He talks now like he gave a shit about any of them, at the time, he didnt, they were a means to an end.
@@andrewvasquez7872 i believe they care about negan and negan also care about them. Even when Rick team ask about where is negan, they said "i am negan", this is indicate strong bound to their leader. That's why their bound is strongest than any other Rick enemies.
Basically the plot of Last of Us 2 isn't it. Remembering the people you killed for whatever reason may not have been so different to you
@@andrewvasquez7872 facts like he wasn't turning his men girlfriends into one of harem of women and kissing them on them in front of them and punishing them for having any kind of interaction with them
@@snowpey3751 This is why I love this game! It puts you in the same place of the other side of the coin. Ellie & Abby were practically the same. They were so focused on getting revenge, they disregarded how their actions would affect other people and they both essentially lost everything.
Some people hate this game, when it actually has a very valuable and important lesson when it comes to perspective and how your actions can make you a monster in someone else's eyes.
Had it been reversed, Rick's group would have killed all of them. In fact, they thought they had.
Wouldn't be the first time Rick's group wiped out another group.
Negan kept them alive because he needed them as his slaves, same as every single other community he attacks. Not exactly a hero for sparing people to keep and torture.
Had it been reversed, Ricks group wouldn’t have been enslaving communities. Every group Rick and the gang wiped out had it coming. That’s not to mention the plenty of people from said groups that he took in who surrendered.
Comparing Negan and Rick is faulty at best. It’s a parallel the shows been try to force and it just doesn’t work.
Had it been reversed would Rick's group have attacked them at all?
Rick doesn’t enslave people to use them for resources
The thing that I see between this to is that Negan at least he accepts the cruelty’s he has done but Maggie doesn’t accept anything.
both of these actors were in supernatural, seeing them together reminded me of that
you forgot about Batman dark Knight rising they played Bruce's parents when he was young and they were killed in the alley so I guess they've been friends for years and since it was filmed in England that's where the actress is from even though she was born in Massachusetts she has dual citizenship they left for England when she was five years old so she didn't have a say in it that's why she's good with the accent
@@joejose8433 That was in Gotham wasn't it?
Who knows Maggie might be in the boys too for future seasons
At least Maggie had learned this lesson when she finally had to deal with the Reapers.
That awkward moment when you realize you're not the hero in your own story like you thought you were.
Except she still thinks she's the heroe lol
Negan is right though. Maggie acts like they never killed anyone's family members. I can't stand Maggie.
Is the motivation of killing absolutely irrelevant to you when you comparing those actions??
To her theyre just level 10 bandits
Both of them killed just to survive
is this scene she was irritating acting like here killing was justified when her group is just as bad as negan group
Maggie just sees Megan killing Glenn when Megan’s choice was to kill a few to set an example vs killing all of them.
You can't beat an honest answer
In everything in life and in war, there are two sides. From Negan’s viewpoint, he did what he felt he had to, and yes he was crushingly cruel in doing it. But the motivation for that lay in a few things. One, his people were attacked and killed WHILE IN THEIR SLEEP. At that point, The saviors had NO contact or real knowledge of Rick’s people. To Negan, it was unprovoked. His people are dead and he has to do SOMETHING. He sends men to deal with it, and they get killed. Some may have been his friends, who knows? But in his eyes, when he finally has the attackers caught, he’s going to want some revenge, and he has to show it to his people because THEY probably want it too. Negan was brutal in dealing with Ricks people, and so were the Saviors. But if you see it from THEIR viewpoint, it was justified. Rick went after the Saviors without knowing anything about them, their capabilities or numbers, or even their intentions. He was arrogant and reckless and stupid, and it cost Glenn and Abraham their lives. Negan had a lot of time in that cell to reflect, and I give him credit for being honest even if it was harsh- it would have been far better for him and the Saviors if he had killed them right there in that forest, all of them. The rest of Alexandria would have fallen right in line.
"One, his people - who massacred, raped and annihilated every other people they met - were attacked and killed WHILE IN THEIR SLEEP."
....ooor, is the motivation irrelevant to you?
Actually it started with Daryl protecting Abraham and Sasha from the biker saviors on Episode 9. The satélite station episode was 12. The saviors actually started it. The saviors did have contact before the satellite station. Negan is 100% in the wrong. Also Dwight captured Daryl in episode 6.
From all the things you wrote, u forgot the most important to specify: Rick and Co attacked unprovoked?
Dude, the ones who started that war was Negan's group by threatening and trying to kill Daryl, Abraham and Sasha first. If weren't for that, nothing of those events would've happened. So.. believe me, Rick's group were totally provoked there.
@@amlo_06 They didn't even know they were part of a community man. Stupid comment.
@@pistemutaagio And you really think that shitty of excuse still changes the fact that actually Saviors did still attack them??, wake up dude, it doesn't. Even when they found out about later on, had all the right to think and do what they did cuz were ACTUALLY Saviors after all. Honestly, your interpretation/excuse is the most stupid and garbage dude. ☠️
(And if you don't remember, they actually found out about it when they were talking in Hilltop right before they went to the outspot).
Negan is the epitome of 'its funky but it's fair'
To the uninitiated, it means you may not like hearing it, but it's true
Rick's groups: *kills people*
Rock's group when somebody kills back: *surprised pikachu face*
It seems to me that she was already ready to accept him and begin the path to his forgiveness, but he said these words at the end and she “why did you tell me this?”
Maggie became what she hated on her mission for revenge. Her actions after Glenn were done out of spite, not hope. Negan repented for his actions, not out of guilt, but by changing his ways to be someone he could live with being.
When Maggie was dealing with Alden and the captives all I could think about is Glenn wouldn't agree with how she was choosing to go about things first.
You're comparing Maggie during the war, while Glenn's death was still fresh, to Negan 7.5 years later. 🙄
Never forget the part that Negan was the one who was terrorizing communities and bashing people brains not Rick and his group. Alot of Negan meat riders are in this comment section. Rick and his group killed people who deserves it and why they deserve it because they attacked Rick's group first lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Negan is one of my favorite characters but Maggie killed those so called husband and fathers because they tried to kill her 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Negan meat riders 🤡🤡
Wether or not he felt a personal loss is the the issue. His people felt it and it is his job to protect his people. People are a resource 👍
This has got to be one of coldest lines in the history of The Walking Dead
Negan had a connection with his group, this shouldn't be a big surprise
Comic: I’m sorry I killed the Asian kid 😔
Show: I’m sorry I didn’t kill the rest of you 🙄
so the comic negan is less of an asshole
Imagine try to say "They have no families" to a guy who lost everyone. Literally all of people's lost everyone after the fall.
Negan's got a point but here the difference Is between a group of good people who tried to help others, even strangers, in the apocalypse, and a group of gangsters Who took racket from other groups.
The saviors were like gangsters. And they had to be taken down.
I love Negan and his development, I Hope he can meet Rick and shake hands with him, in Memory of Carl. Because of Negan Is alive Is Just thanks to Carl
Rick's group killed dozens of men they didn't know at all in their sleep. Rick let backpack guy die on the road instead of helping him when he could have just pulled over. Carol murdered 2 people because they were sick and she didn't want them to spread a disease. Morgan murdered random people in the woods because he was insane. Rick murdered a group of saviors who actively freed and helped him and wanted to live in peace.
Let's not act like Rick's group were just good Samaritans, Rick himself committed many despicable acts.
@@dwight3555 honestly yeah. I don't see how people think Negan is worse than Simon or Rick for that matter
And just to add to the backpack guy, he left him behind because he wanted a seat for if he saw Morgan.
@@dwight3555 That doesnt change the fact that Negan is most evil. He terrorized even his own people. Remember Dr Carson?
Rick was far from a savior. Has everyone forgot when they showed up at in Sean's group and just took over to help his ego. He done the same thing when he got to hershel's farm as well. Let's not forget how he came to Alexandria and was chasing after a married woman which put her husband to the edge and killed the leaders husband. Rick was the cause of a lot of bad things to the group and they would of been better off if Rick grimes died at that hospital. He was negan before negan was even introduced in the show.
@@v.mvarga4979 Trust me if anyone in that group said anything against rick he would of done the same thing. Killed his best friend over conflict of being the leader. Stole another man's wife to satisfy his own ego and taking control of alexandria which was better off without Rick and their crew. They had been under negans radar for a long time before rick stuck his nose into everything.
Negan saved the show me tbh. I love when he's in a scene
agreed brings some emotion in his scenes rather it be funny rent free, u don't know how to read a damn map and serious talk like this
he kept it moving but the show died once they arrived in Alexandria, in my opinion it was better when the group was traveling
@@JP-pp2tn yeah I could see that. Similar to the Prison. Felt like they were there too long
Maggie knows that if Negan really wanted them all dead it could’ve been done.
For real. He was very generous to only kill 2 of them after they had killed 60+ of his people.
@@ghostfacekiller4371 Yeah, very generous of him to enslave them.
@@matheusorth5365Yeah it was, considering he could've and should've tortured and killed them all, and then everyone else back at Alexandria.
Never forget the part that Negan was the one who was terrorizing communities and bashing people brains not Rick and his group. Alot of Negan meat riders are in this comment section. Rick and his group killed people who deserves it and why they deserve it because they attacked Rick's group first lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Negan is one of my favorite characters but Maggie killed those so called husband and fathers because they tried to kill her 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Negan meat riders 🤡🤡
The people at the satelite station kept pictures and photo's of people they killed and that got their heads bashed in...Negan acts like he had one big happy family, they were cruel and evil, at least their soldiers were.
Remember when Negan ironed that dude's face because he wanted to be with his wife?
but he's sorry now so its all better he cared about that guy you know he had friends and a wife
@@MrSporkdude You missed his speech. It wasn't what he did, it was that he broke the rules. The rules were what was keeping them alive and by breaking them their society was in jeopardy. He ironed the guy as an example to others that actions have consequences and they might be very severe. It was savage but it was the closest to law and order they could manage. Negan doesn't ever kill anyone who wasn't trying to screw things up for the saviours in some way. He just always put his own people first... like he should!
@@bobbyferguson8802 So that's why he was fucking their wives?
He probably means so that none of them would bear the sorrow
And if I Rick, I would have killed Negan when I had the chance. No mercy to evil!
this scene kinda makes me feel bad for negan n the saviors. jus him explaining how all those deaths hurt them n why negan killed glenn n abraham. not saying i agree with negan killing em but i understand why he did
Happy day hun, Rewatching.
Like it or not
Negan, Maggie, Rick, Shane
They all did what needed to be done to survive
You want a psycho, look at the governor. But these guys, they we're just doing what they felt needed to be done to survive.
it's interesting how maggie trying to make it herself or her group better than negan like saying stuff like "the people you killed had families" and yeah everyone that was part of the saviors had families and people that cared about them
Which is actually why Negan brings up Gracie! But Maggie also has a point that Negan has been more brutal and cruel in comparison to her group. But she also can’t pretend that her and Rick’s group were saints either
They didn't enslave communities like what Negan did. Even though Rick & Co have done things that are awful, Negan is still guilty of doing much worse
@shane long Rick: "we could just take this place" talking about Alexandria. People's reaction: oh yeah let's go, fuck them, let's kill them all cause they're wimps and Rick's group is badass!
Negan: "we could just take this place". People's reaction: How dare you!
@shane long Negan absolutely enslaved people… Many of his own people were practically enslaved… Did you not see what happened with Dwight and Sherry when they tried to leave? Or for that matter anyone who didn’t do as he said?
Negan and the Saviors litterally wiped out groups that didn’t follow his “give me half your shit” bs. Alexandrians walked around as equals; many of them prominent members of the community. When Negan came through you were dog that fetched resources for him until you couldn’t no more; then you were just meat bag to get some swings on. Comparing Ricks group in the Saviors is seriously silly, there’s no parallel to draw there.
Wonderful and nuanced. A great scene. I know where Negan is coming from. I'm about honesty, even if it's a hard pill. So is Negan. Wartime leadership. Look it up before you all hate on me. Peace.
At least he is honest about what he would change. No BS. Him and Rick are two sides of the same coin.
Not entirely, Rick didn’t enslave people & made people do stuff against their will, steal girlfriends/wives and use loved ones to get people to stay in his order
They could have come to Negan willing to talk first because even though he is crazy you most definitely could’ve talked TickTock & his crew went straight into attack mode like Morgan said don’t do it.
You guys are talking about heroes and villains, but I think you're all missing the point. There aren't heroes or villains in the world anymore. Maggie isn't a hero, nor is she a villain. Same for Negan. People kill to survive, there's no "right verses wrong"- just survival. They argue about perspective, but everybody is the same in that world.
Thisthisthis I think people count on Negan's 'Redemption' too much when the whole point of it wasn't to make Negan actually redeem himself. It was to show the story wasn't black and white and they were all doing what they *had* to do
"There is no right. There's just the wrong that doesn't drag you down." - Morgan
No, there are still heroes and villains.
@@deckzone3000 Like who? Most the characters in the show have done evil things.
Rick and his entire group stormed a group of survivors and killed them in their sleep. A lot of them were likely innocent and just following orders from Negan themselves out of fear.
@@jadduck 🤪 Oh no, killed in their sleep. 🤡
"They don't get to live."
- Rick Grimes, during the escape from Terminus
Those people were CANNIBALS - they didn't deserve to live.
Terminus? The group that was luring survivors into a slaughter house, and went on too hunt down Ricks group too feed on?
Yeah, one hell of a parallel you drew there.
That is a lot more justified given the circumstances but I see your point. Terminus was literal monsters in every single way, they were just straight up evil.
Negan at least saw people as a resource
Terminus just saw people as food and had zero remorse for survivors they've met and killed. Hell they even lured him to a false sense of security. Negan at least was honest when he came into your group and started doing evil things and at the very least Negan had principles. Terminus had zero principles and were unredeemable people.
Technically Aaron got Gracie after the satellite station. The same place where Rick found Morales
Nobody has clean hands in this world. Maggie had a man hanged publicly. Not on the same level as Neegan but just goes to show that NOBODY is innocent in TWD.
I stopped watching the Walking dead when rick decided to keep negan alive.
the was the stupidest decision that they ever did
Well at least he was honest.
Poor satellite outpost. Just a bunch of family men tormenting hilltop and demanding there leaders head on a stake. Such good people.
welp Negan, if you didn't make your whole surviving the apocalypse plan being to go to any survivor groups, terrorizing, killing and stealing their shit, then maybe you wouldn't be put into a situation where you're men would have been killed.
"The truth is, right and wrong, that doesn't exist anymore. Just fucked people up doing fucked up shit and that's the reality. You can preach about how I killed your family, people you loved, but in the end, what you did to me is no different than what I did to you. We can talk of morality but at the end of the day, every single one of us is a murderer, the only difference is you call it justice and I call it revenge."
A quote from one of my main antagonists for a story I was writing, seems to just fit TWD in a lot of ways.
I truly think negan changed for Carl cause Carl seen he wasn’t all that bad who he could be and now we all see
Hey hun, notif gang here
Full support always
That is when M really got it and start doing
Ok, I know Maggie is a little bit of a psycho now and her actions are barebly justified. But Negan trying to make sense of his sadistic nature and brutality in the past is something that can't be reasoned. The two of them are in the wrong here. Negan was a douchebag, sadistic, a psycho. While Maggie just can't move foward from the past when she saw her husband having his head smashed. She couldn't do what Rick tried to do. Not forgive him, but be better and move foward with life. Instead of doing that, she got through harsh events and is now colder, brutal, even willing to sacrifice that kid in that wagon (11x2).
What Rick and his group did to Negan's was violent, animalistic, brutal. That's an undeniable fact, and Rick was almost like a dictator at some point. But another factor that is undeniable is that Negan was also cruel. Let's not forget that, before Rick, Negan made Hilltop and The Kingdom as "hostages", made them work for him afet proving that point. That point. Where he needs to prove that he's serious by smashing someone's head. He was cruel and faced cruelty from another group. It was a whole bloody cycle that was broken by Rick.
None of what Negan did is really cruelty or sadism, it would actually be more reasonable to consider it as pragmatism and even empathy. He tried to keep the largest number of people possible alive, which is why he put on such a show to intimidate others in the hope they would not retaliate so he wouldn't have to kill them. You never see him living "the rich life" despite all the resources he has, unlike Gregory the coward who took a big mansion for himself. Negan is not doing things for himself, he's doing them to keep as many people as he can alive, and he knows how to play his role to ensure that in a brutal world.
Something else too, this is the zombie apocalypse. In negans mind, his actions are somewhat necessary. A broken down society brings out the savages and to live through the shit you have to be a monster.
@@dwight3555 He ironed the faces of his subordinates who were behind and used their wives as his own. Empathy? Really? People need to simmer down with the Negan apologetics. Rick was bad, but he was never close to Negan bad.
@@dwight3555 I can’t believe I just read that. Not cruelty? He was actually being empathetic? Lol. The guy was literally a tyrant, dishing out harsh punishment left and right, and wouldn’t even let people simply leave if they didn’t like the circumstances he provided.
Oh and he didn’t live the “rich life”?Guess you didn’t see him spend his time in his man cave, drinking wine and sleeping with his community members wives.
Negan fanboys are deluded.
@@moflow8873 Being capable of cruel acts doesn't mean you're cruel. Negan put on a show to keep people in line and prevent the biggest number of people from dying.
Drinking a bit of wine and paying prostitutes isn't very rich when you have hundreds of people under your command, a simple guy with a regular job today could easily do that.
If you ask me the beef between Ricks group and Negans group is all because off Gregory
I kinda wished I could see that story line. If Negan killed everyone one of them. If we followed the story through negan he would have been our hero and Rick would have been the enemy. I always wanted that story line from the fall now but in negans perspective that would be cool. And have Negan kill Rick and the gang. They had it coming. They wanted to kill negans people just to trade for supplies. He is no different and I don’t blame him. It’s survival of the fittest. Keep yourself and yours alive with whatever means necessary. It’s like Negan said “if you don’t protect what belongs to you, soon or later it belongs to someone else.” Also, what if Rick never killed Shane. I would have loved to see that too.
Whats wild is Negan would have still lost eventually cause Carol and Morgan weren't there and those were the 2 most dangerous protagonists by far. Carol would have sworn revenge and Morgan probably gives up on his "all life is precious" sthick.
Everywhere Rick's crew went what happen,place gets destroy
When Ricks crew were the bad guys we were rooting for. Its like the old saying, "They were atleast alive before they showed up".
Negan is the embodiment of a character who is lawfully evil.
Does he kill yes
Does he steal yes
But at the end of the day negan did have morales.
Everything he did he did because he wanted to establish order.
It was his order and negan thought it was better than having no rules.
He made an attempt to use the savage nature of the lawless world to control the savageness and to an extent he succeeded he made a safe zone where no one had to worry about getting assaulted or ripped from their family’s.
Could negan have done better most certainly but he like many people played the best hand he had no different than Eugene and his lying to survive.
I’d imagine Joel from Last of Us having a past like Negan
Y'all forget Rick drew first blood against Negan and Negan killed two of Rick's people (only planned for one)
Yeah but you forget that Negan's people attacked Daryl, Sasha and Abe in the road out of nowhere and nearly executed them just because Abraham asked who Negan is
@@negan991 Not the saviors, a rogue very small group of saviors that Negan later referred to as a "the dick brigade". Saying Rick was in any way justified is like saying if a group of 5 people attack you, it's okay to murder everyone in their hometown of 2000 people.
@@dwight3555 it absolutely is ok, Dwighty boy. They are a group of saviors who are still saviors. Negan answers for everything that they do
@@negan991 I believe that Negan's group attacked Daryl, Sasha, and Abraham because they thought they were part of the Wolves, as the Wolves were killing local communities that supported the Saviors and must have likely clashed with them at some point.
@@Sapilson0987 now that's a theory but if we go from what we got and know of the saviors, they attacked them to capture and know where they livr
Man, Maggie can't seem to grasp the fact that their attack on the satellite station wasn't black and white at all...
Exactly. How many other Aldens or Dwights did they kill in their sleep? If the Saviors snuck into Alexandria at night and killed all the adults in several households, it would've been considered sadistic and plain evil.
Negan may have a point, but he was still the one who going around and forcing others to summit to his reign of terror. It's one thing to be brutal to keep order, it's another to force his order onto others.
The war with the governor turned rick from a honey bee into a yellow jacket. No more second chances, the old wise man who pulled rick out of his trauma and psychosis lay partially beheaded in the fields he used to tend. The last time that would happen. Rick became brutal. Negan was cocky. They each learned from eachother in a few ways.
In real life, probably only Eugene would've been spared. Negan sparing them was a plot shield. He was not stupid. He had no reason to keep the 'elite Alexandrians' alive and plenty of reasons to cleanse them.
Just think about it. He spent 7 years in prison only thinking about that night. He wanted to make them remember it as the worst night of their life. He succeeded, but it is also the worst night of his life.c
Negan is bad but god damn. “There were no children at satellite” and then saying “You can’t debate levels of cruelty” like she didn’t just open up that debate.
Someone should inform Negan that there was never a baby at the Satelite station. 🤦♂️
Also might want to tell the fans, because half of them seem to think the same.
Rick's first strike against the Saviors was in season 6. The Savior baby that they took was from a different outpost in season 8.
And they didn't steal it, they saved it. If he left it there, it would have starved to death.
Are you certain about that? Because I could've sworn that Gracie was taken during a second attack on the satellite station (which the Saviors had re-established following the season 6 attack).
I just want him to show remorse for Glenn, thats it.
Me too
@@kylashay3027 he will never... because he did what needed to be done for his ppl ... for him, doing this was the right thing to keep the sanctuary working... same as rick's group killed every person in the satellites station to have food from hilltop.
@@ericchampagne4771 but the saviors attacked first through, remember when the saviors street gang tried killing daryl, abraham and sasha
@@callmechoii5459 Saviours collect resource and they were promised to protect Hilltop from walkers. But you know, some people are corrupt. They just took and forget the terms.
in this word i don't think you can afford to show remorse for your actions
I see why negan says that TBH
They started the war in Season 6 and episode 9 when they were robing Sasha and Abraham and would have killed them if Daryl hadn’t showed up with the RPG
Most people don’t understand the fact that NOBODY in this show is innocent IN THE SLIGHTEST so people saying “past Negan wouldn’t care about the people are the satellite outpost” is bs because if you really look at his chapter you can see that he had that cocky persona because he wanted to hide all his pain, anger, and grief. He did care about his people and that’s why he was so angry at Simon because Simon was to stupid to see he was screwing everything up and Negan new so that’s why he let Simon have a chance in a fight to make it fare but as he’s strangling Simon you can see the anger on his face because he didn’t want Simon to mess up everything. And another example is when Carl told Negan to kill him and Negan actually had to stop for a moment to make sure he heard him right and you can hear the hurt in his voice when he says “CARL! I thought we having a moment you little asshole” and you can see Negan was genuinely upset about Carls death and he even genuinely apologized to Rick about it and he apologized to Carl for making him cry after Carl removed his bandage from his eye or lack there of. And there are plenty other examples if you go back and watch the show
Why In The WORLD Did You ATTACK President NEGAN!?
He tried to make me pay taxes.
Understandable.
Not just infront of the men, but infront of the women, and the children too
ah yes, the man who killed this show
This scene pisses me off slightly Ricks group killing like 30 men while they slept Also at this point negan didnt even no who they were Ricks group with out knowledge or reason just went and killed 30 men like it was a saturday afternoon but negan killing glen wasnt. I get that he did it in a very brutal way and right infront of her while making fun of him but still the idea is ridiculous.
I find it funny how he acts like Rick started it all. Sasha, Bob and Daryl were attacked on the road way before the satellite happened. He's such an hypocrite playing victim card.
I love that negan Spirit of Jeffrey Dean Morgan
Hey hun 💜 Re-watching here again. Full support
Maggie: you killed a low tier character
Negan: How many did you guys kill or take
Maggie: thats different!!! You killed glenn
Those people also had pictures of bashed in skulls on their walls where they sleep 😂 saviors weren’t innocent.
no one was
& you all know Rick would get revenge if someone attacked him
If Millie Bobby Brown could also be in Fox she can be considerable for Clem if ever she'd make a debut for atleast just a special participation or a cameo.
No we need a latina
@@devantew2015 Well ofc still better since Clem is indeed a latin but sometimes it doesn't even matter whether if it's not as long as she can act accurately.
@@jeremywolfgang9625 apparently she’s African American but they make her look Latina
I love Negan so much he’s basically saying “Yeah i did horrible things but im honest about it” Who knows how manly families lives the group ruined
Give the poor guy something to wear besides his prison garb.
Negan is not a monster because he killed Glenn. Negan is a monster because he mocked Glenn’s eyeball popping out when he was dying. Negan derived sadistic pleasure out of killing. People who compare Rick and Negan with “oh everybody killed” argument don’t realise this. Negan killed for game. Rick didn’t.
the characters are some complex
You know what I think.
Maggie is literally trying to justify everything when she is just saying because she wants to be in the right when there’s literally no right or wrong since they both tried to kill each other. Rick group killed negan group first not because Daryl Abraham and Sasha got attacked but because they needed supplies lol
Negan acted like a psychopath because he learned how the new world worked, bikers tortured him and he couldn’t save his wife. He knew he needed to get everyone’s shit in line.
Say what you want negan is right. Rick attacked first and kept it going and stole a fucking baby
What baby did he steal?
But you ignore that Negan already had people stealing from others way before the Satellite station
What I don’t like is Maggie unwillingness to accept she’s a hypocrite. When they attacked the satellite station, they weren’t acting out of self defence! They were the murderers, plain and simple. They killed people who had families just like they accuse negan of doing but they are only concerned when they’re stupid actions comes back to bite them!
They were both in the wrong. Yah Negan and the saviors were worse but Rick’s night attack woke a whole swarm of bees.
Half of what he says here makes no sense. He’s talking in circles around her as a way to evade responsibility.
Negan was absolutely the villain, not because he bludgeoned Abraham and Glenn to death, BUT BECAUSE HE WAS FORCING EVERYBODY TO PAY 50% TAXES! AND WHEN THE PEOPLE MADE HIM MAD, HE TOOK 90% AND EVERYBODY'S GUNS AWAY! HE WAS A TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT NOBODY ASKED FOR! HE'S LUCKY TO BE ALIVE. 😏
Maggie has started to annoy me. Yes, Negan killed your husband. But she refuses to acknowledge that they may not have always been on the “good” side.
That was so romantic
Watching rn hun
Nega is a clear social path, he sees all the right in his action and justifes all his crime, but doesn't have the empty a normal human being has for murdering so many and admitting his wrongs.
No, he’s not. In made mistakes but he also had reason
i get the people are a resource thing ricks Group would not stay in line they would continue trying to push back Negan shoulda killed every single one of them on the first day they all met
So Simon was right about killing everyone of them 😂😅
He's got a point