Yeah, you can make whatever justifications you want about Negan punishing the group, but he taunted and tortured Glenn in his last moments. To get this much acceptance from his wife (who saw all that happen) is miraculous enough.
Jeffrey Dean Morgan's facial expressions are amazing throughout this scene, but especially that little sideglance he does at 2:03 after she says that quote - it really shows how ashamed and appalled he is about having done that.
i loved that he let her talk, never interrupted even let her walk away without saying a word. He knew there was nothing he could say or do to change her mind.
How could anyone honestly. This is the best thing Negan could possibly hope for. And it seems like letting him live was the best punishment he could - knowing that he has changed, it means he will live with nothing but regret and self-hate. Even in his happiest moments, he will live knowing he doesn’t deserve them.
What did Negan do wrong? Maggie's husband attacked Negan's group and killed many in their sleep. Negan only killed TWO of Rick's men in response. By chance, one of them turned out to be Glen. But Glen is a murderer himself and deserves it. Negan in the conditions of the apocalypse led his group correctly. There's nothing to blame him for
@@novemunumunum980 remember that we watch the Walking Dead through Rick's group. Now I'm not disagreeing with you, Rick's group definitly had something coming for them. But as Negan once said (or maybe not Negan, but still applies) "everyone thinks they're the good guys". Rick's group suffered a tremendous loss, even though it might have been 'fair' if you look at it from both sides, they hated him for it.
@@novemunumunum980 I sometimes feel like I'm the only one who watched when several episodes prior Daryl, Abraham, and Sasha first met the Saviors who told them it's policy to always kill someone when they meet a new group. This information was further confirmed to Rick when he visited Hilltop. NEGAN WAS GOING TO MURDER MEMBERS OF RICK'S GROUP NO MATTER WHAT.
They are such good actors. Even before Maggie spoke her face said a thousand words. You can see Negan mentally preparing himself for whatever conversation would take place when Maggie sat down
I believe he knew the outcome already. Forgiving him was never an option. But in the apocalypse all they have left of humanity are their bonds. He severed that with Maggie the moment he used that bat on Glen. But she’s trying for her son, and that was all the hope he could put into it. Her son is the last remaining part of Glen. And if he protects him, he is at the very least trying to be a better person.
What did Negan do wrong? Maggie's husband attacked Negan's group and killed many in their sleep. Negan only killed TWO of Rick's men in response. By chance, one of them turned out to be Glen. But Glen is a murderer himself and deserves it. Negan in the conditions of the apocalypse led his group correctly. There's nothing to blame him for
After everything that has happened between them, that is the best result of their communication and understanding between them that Negan could hope for or get. Also really nice to see Maggie vocalize that she sees his efforts for self improvement/redemption and that she herself is trying. Really awesome scene.
With the understanding the The Walking Dead is a TV show, and these are not actual people, I was surprised how much I missed Scott Wilson's Herschel and was surprisingly moved by his appearance in another character's dream. I kept waiting for Maggie to invoke him here"(I know what my daddy would want me to do, and I've never missed him more than in his moment. I can't forgive you...yet.") Negan's articulation of what he's done to her and her child was well done. More of these character moments, which well written dialogue and completely relatable motives, would have done the last five years of this series a world of good. Kudos to JD Morgan and Lauren Cohan.
What did Negan do wrong? Maggie's husband attacked Negan's group and killed many in their sleep. Negan only killed TWO of Rick's men in response. By chance, one of them turned out to be Glen. But Glen is a murderer himself and deserves it. Negan in the conditions of the apocalypse led his group correctly. There's nothing to blame him for
@@novemunumunum980 Glenn and there group murdered Negans men cause they were bullying, murdering sons a bitches and they needed to be stopped....did you not pay attention to ANYTHING ??
What did Negan do wrong? Maggie's husband attacked Negan's group and killed many in their sleep. Negan only killed TWO of Rick's men in response. By chance, one of them turned out to be Glen. But Glen is a murderer himself and deserves it. Negan in the conditions of the apocalypse led his group correctly. There's nothing to blame him for
@@novemunumunum980 While they ALL could be considered murderers by our current values the world did change, but there was still a bit of a moral compass to follow. Killing in the show usually revolved around exactly what you said but "Sadistic" killing was something that was never touched on and Negan stepped over that line quite a few times, his iron grip on people was stepping over the line but it kept people in check. So honestly just shooting Glen for what they did, fine but being sadistic and mocking during it violated the moral compass on the show IMO. I don't know if anyone else felt and this scene is just a small arc in him realizing he violated that morality again only IMO. However I do agree with you on the idea of balancing the table by killing 2 of Ricks group.
This is more than Negan deserves. He knows that. She could never forgive him. But she knows he means it. This is so raw. It is EXTREME ROBBERY that the actors on this show were never nominated for Emmys just because there were zombies in it.
Probably the best way they could've written it. I don't think anyone could truly forgive someone who killed their lover in cold blood and even laughed all the way through it.
Always loved Maggie from her introduction and her evolution from Farmers Daughter, to a no nonsense bad ass and a Mother has been one of the few best character developments I seen.
He killed Abraham because he knew he was the type that wouldn't submit to him no matter what he did. In the case of Glenn, it was more like he was forced to.
The show really did Abraham dirty by giving him that death. Pretty much all the emotion and callbacks to that moment have been, understandably, focused on Glenn. But had Abe died any other episode, it would’ve had one of the biggest impacts. I still think Abe should’ve died in the Season 6 finale and had Glenn die in the S7 premier.
@@Nighthawk1384 everybody says that but I think it is literally the most ridiculous argument ever. Punching someone after seeing your friend beaten to death in front of you is not FORCING someone to bash someone else’s brains in with a barbed wire bat in front of his pregnant wife while you taunt both of them. Jesus christ dude
Honestly the is one of the most well put realistic dialogue between two people trying to be better. So raw and real and not afraid to actually call him out for everything, while using Glenns name and remembering his beauty. Amazing.
As interested as I am to see Dead City, I think this scene right here is the PERFECT ending for these characters. Maggie can’t forgive Negan for what he’s done, but she’s still actively trying to work on not letting Negan bother her. Negan is still actively trying to better himself and be better for those around him and Maggie accepts that. It’s really compelling stuff and this will be my head canon perfect ending.
Wow. First time seeing this and i have a lump in my throat. Glenn was one of the kindest most humane people in that world and for him to die the way he did was unbelievably cruel and Negan made a joke. When she mentions how negan mocked him as he died really hit me. Glenns death scene is the single most brutal hearbreaking scene in this whole series for me. I personally would not be able to let it go and i wouldve killed Negan the second i had a chance.
I completely agree with this. That had to have been absolutely haunting for her to endure, especially with Negan cracking jokes. No doubt she's struggling with PTSD from it so the pain never ends. I still cant get over Glenn's death it was unreaaonably brutal.. like, its just a show but stung. A lot. I would've def had to end Negan just to balance my world if I were Maggie. There's just no coming back from that. Period.
@@ChaotikBabe you’re right, but then you’d be feeding into that hatred. Killing in revenge and calling it balance. At the end of the day it’s just creating a cycle that doesn’t end. And I think Maggie realized that and knew that wasn’t the world she wanted her son to grow up in. Plus I believe she’s also seeing the good that can come from giving people second chances. Case in point: Negan saving her son. There’s a very good chance he would’ve died had it not been for Negan, which at that point I wouldn’t have been surprised if Maggie contemplated suicide. Long story short; Maggie knows hate is destructive and knows Negan is not the same person so she’s telling it to him true that she can’t forgive him and there may not be a time she’s able to.. but that she’ll continue to try.
Show ended when Glenn and Abraham died. I wish they said more in the show about Daryl causing Glenns death, and it feels like Abraham wasn't mentioned once after that. As much as I like Daryl I feel like his actions would have caused some friction in the group that went unaddressed.
The scenes between Maggie and Negan in the finale were completely powerful, brutally honest and totally raw. Negan finally acknowledges what he did to Maggie and her response was beautiful. Negan’s expressions spoke volumes & he knew it was more than he deserved.
When Negan finally officially apologized for what he took from Maggie, she finally felt like she can mourn for Glenn after years of feeling hate for Negan
How could you ever forgive someone for what Negan did? Not killing him is BEYOND generous on her part. It doesn't matter how much you change or how hard you try. Cause those kind of scars. Time never heals. All it does is stop the bleeding... but the scars never heal.
nah it does matter how much you change and how much you try; it shows how you're trying to be a better person than you were before, but you also don't go and kill people then get mad when they retaliate and kill someone you love because the people they killed could've had family. Actions have consequences. If God can forgive us for our sins, then humans can also forgive each other they just don't want to.
it's a zombie show man, some people even ship them and justify it without giving a damn about story. They hate Maggie for wanting to kill Negan because they find JDM badass and hot. But, whenever i watch s7 e1 , Maggie not killing Negan at first sight and sparing him multiples times, is still more unrealistic than zombies.
Remorse for turning her husbands head into jello ..... acting is awesome but the story and writing here is ass ..... he should be dead and gone already
Watch this scene damn near every other day,such a powerful message “I don’t want to hate you anymore,I don’t want to hurt like that,and I don’t want my son to see anyone has that kind of hold over me”powerful
I think him genuinely apologising is a perfect progression from their last real conversation where he justifies his side of the past…at that point he hadn’t met her son, he hadn’t looked in the eyes of the boy who’s father he had murdered. I think he can have his reasons and justifications on the outside, but looking at Maggie’s eyes everyday and meeting her son and watching that kid point a gun at him…there’s no justifying it for him anymore. He knows deep in his heart that what he did was wrong and he’s finally fully accepted it. He can see the immense pain and suffering he’s caused her and I think he’s genuinely grown fond of her and admires her strength, which only makes him hate himself for what he did even more. He had to have known that she wouldn’t and couldn’t ever truly forgive him, but a heartfelt apology was necessary…this is the best possible outcome between these two.
Let's nevermind the fact that Maggie and her people are just as guilty as he is if they were not killing his people all that time he wouldn't have killed Glenn or Abraham.
@@jameszeigler9353 to an extent, yes, but Jesus, Dwight, and Bud made it quite clear that introductory brutal killing is their standard operating procedure. How Rick and company did what they did was wrong, but they knew the Saviors were an oppressive threat before attacking. But all of that is really a moot point in the end. Negan didn’t just shoot Abe and Glenn and call it a day. He ruthlessly massacred them in front of their loved ones. He taunted the survivors and continued to torment them well afterwards. Negan’s actions weren’t entirely one-sided, but what he did was torture.
@@Night5225 Ya but to say that he didn't have to kill them and hold a grudge against him for while part of it was justified but in another way it makes maggie and the others hypocrites because those people at those outposts had families too people that felt loss and they never thought what they did was wrong.
@@jameszeigler9353 yeah, but their first experiences with the Saviors prior to the outpost attack were 1) being randomly held up and almost murdered for no reason by the bikers and 2) the Hilltop attempted murder of Gregory that was instigated by the Saviors. Jesus also told them how they had one murdered by the Saviors and their crew wasn’t particularly violent. They had all the reason to assume they were all just ready to kill them.
JDM is such a great actor. There is a scene in Supernatural when his character finds out his wife is alive and without words he expressed his happiness so wonderfully
Negan realized he killed a good man. Glenn was someone who would help someone. Glenn wasn't running around murdering people on the spot. Negan saw in himself that he was the one who had lost his humanity.
I know people try to justify Negan's actions and say that Rick's group killed his people and started it, but they seem to forget that their first interaction with the Saviors was them holding Daryl, Sasha, and Abraham at gunpoint and trying to rob them, and that they attacked the outpost because the Saviors were threatening and killing Hilltop members. Yes, they escalated things, but it certainly wasn't "oh everything would have been fine if they didn't attack Negan's men." Second, it wasn't just the killing that was so horrifying. It was the cruelty of not just the method of death by beating Glenn's head into a pulp but also the way he taunted his friends and family while making them watch. You see it here that Maggie seems to be the most emotional when she talks about Negan mocking Glenn as he died. And then he made them sit by Glenn and Abraham's mangled corpses for the whole night. Negan does everything in his power in the episode to be as cruel and inflict as much pain and torment as possible and visible revels in it. So yeah, even if Rick and Maggie have killed people and have been cruel, Negan definitely owes Maggie and apology and Maggie is definitely in her right not to forgive him.
Eh, you make Rick's side sound so much more moral than it actually was, they agreed to fight Negan in exchange for half of Hilltop's supplies. It wasn't a moral response to what they saw at Hilltop, Rick wanted their stuff and agreed to go kill people to get it, he even said to his people to justify it "This is how we eat". So, you're not wrong when you say what happened with Sasha, but it's misrepresentative of what happened and makes Rick's group sound like good-hearted defenders of the weak when it was clearly a they were going to kill these people for food situation.
@@Jack29245 True. I didn't mean to portray Rick's group as some morally upright set of people. Killing the Saviors in their sleep was terrible. But I was more addressing the argument I've seen from some that Negan did not do anything wrong in killing Glenn, that Rick's group completely started the conflict, or that his and Rick's actions at that point are complete moral equivalents. Essentially, I've seen people criticize Rick's group or Maggie as being complete hypocrites, and I was more addressing those claims.
@Jack Bristow Here's what Alexandria knew about the saviors prior to attacking them -They tried to kill Daryl, Sasha, and Abraham -They wanted Daryl, Sasha, and Abraham to take them back to Alexandria where they could possibly kill more. - The biker gang saviors said they're stuff belong to Negan now, presuming that they were ready to forcibly take all of their resources. -They had subjugated Hilltop and killed a 16 year old to make instill fear -Hilltop MUST consistently provide resources for them, otherwise someone would die, stated by Jesus himself. So Rick and Co had every reason to take the saviors out. They were horrible people and the saviors were a threat to every community out there.
@@Bolivian654 Where did I say otherwise? What I said was that people were presenting Rick attacking the Saviours as some moral crusade when it was entirely self-interest for Alexandria.
The spin-off terrifies me because I don’t want them to undo this whatsoever. It’s way more powerful seeing Negan be legitimately sorry, but Maggie literally unable to ever forgive him because, how could you
I'm thinking if Negan didn't kill him so brutally, like maybe shot him instead, Maggie would be more forgiving. Watching what he did to Glenn (and Abraham as well) would mess anyone up.
Which is why I can’t forgive him either as charismatic as he his and all the times he mad me laugh through out the show I still never forgave him. I understand negan side but the way he went about it was disgusting
And as horrible as Glenn's death was, Negan was only going to kill Abraham until Daryl showed his ass. Pretty much, Negan just turned around and bashed whoever would have been sitting there.
He was reveling in the sociopathic cold cruel torture of it all, joking when Glenns brains are hanging out. He enjoyed every moment of it, got off on it even. Its simply irredeemable. You are so right that its so much different than "I perceive you as a threat; bang, dead" which is how things usually go down in this show. Theyve established the ground rules over and over in this show about kill-or-be-killed and act first to defend yourself which is why I find it so hard to believe Negan was left alive. In that world he would be killed at the first chance they got. Its part of the reason I stopped watching.
This scene here shows my biggest issue with Dead City! We see Maggie and Negan here coming to somewhat of a understanding. they never will be friends but at the same time she' came to realize he is truly trying to change and redeem himself for his past actions, he earned his place as one of them after helping them through the battles with the Whispers and the Commonwealth , there will be days when she will be fine with negan and able to look him in the eye and there will be days when she obviously wont which he 100% understands and then we go to the Spin off, Dead City and shes suddenly gone back to hating him again.
That’s why I couldn’t make it past the first episode of dead city. It’s nothing more than a lazy cash grab on the original ip. Daryl Dixon at least tries something new instead of rehashing the old shit.
She can’t let go of Glenn’s murder and Hershel not having a father. In Dead City. At least at the end. Realizing Hershel is tired of her obsession with Negan. He needed to tell his mom that. I don’t think it’s pure hatred for her at this point. She wants him gone and she doesn’t want to be her that does it. And the look in her eye when she gets her son back and sees Negan leave. She does feel guilt. Ok you can’t forgive him. But you rage and hate 16 years since your husband has died. You have to find a way to heal. Or you will have no son and no family. It would be great in the spinoff. If she can find a way to be able to trust him. She knows he won’t kill her and he is sorry. Maggie make room for the pain but letting it consume you will kill you. Truly
With all the amazing scenes between so many great actors in this series... this, for me, is hands down one of the most amazing between any two actors on the show.
Maggie just said everything I’ve been feeling and have been trying to put into words for the past 5 years, here. I love Rick, Glenn, Daryl, etc. and all of their wonderful moments they’ve given to the show, but deep down inside, I believe this is my favorite scene and the greatest scene of the Walking Dead. Everything about it was perfect. It’s also a bonus that it sets up their show Dead City well and makes us all look forward to the dynamic they’re going to have in that show.
Despite who and what he has done,he knows how to treat women,despite his toxic traits he knows when to listen,he knows when to speak,knows when a women just needs to vent,etc etc..he has his masculine side but also has a feminine side to him which I felt fit his role perfectly..in this moment he doesn’t say a word bc he knows it’s not all about him IN THIS EXACT MOMENT,he’s letting her get how she feels out despite weather he feels she’s right or wrong,despite how much it hurts him
I can't believe how amazing this scene is! Great actors! It's a great conclusion to their story, even if it will continue in the spinoff. I just hope they won't ruin it, I'm perfectly happy with the current state of their dynamic. You can complain about the writing of the series, but they did great with these two.
Are you saying that they will battle each other again? Because THAT’S WHAT I WANT!! 😃 There is no way that I would want theses two to get along! Forgiving and forgetting is one thing, getting along is another thing! 😠
@@frankcortes6852 They are far from getting along currently in dead city. I just hope they dont revert them completely to her hating him and treating him like shit which honestly so far that seems to be whats happening... i was hoping for some sort of mutual respect or agreement not Maggie being a bitch and Negan walking on egg shells but the first 2 episodes have been exactly that and im a little annoyed...The only time you really see negan in the first 2 episodes of dead city are his knock knock joke and i want more of that.
@@Legion852 Well, in order for me to forgive and forget someone who has hurt me so much as Negan did to Maggie is by never seeing or hearing from that person ever again. Maybe you would be more forgiving to someone who bashed your wife’s head and joked about it while she was dying, but everybody has their way. 🤷♂️ In my opinion, what will happen is that Negan will loose his wife and child, when Maggie sees that she will start to emphasize with Negan and getting along with him. After that, Rick and Michonne will come back at the last episode, when they see Negan being free they will immediately kill him and everybody will be horrified that their beloved Negan is suddenly killed by good heroes who didn’t know about his rehabilitation. 🤣
@@frankcortes6852 I dont hate it lol..How ever no i would not be forgiving I would be the opposite he would have been dead already.... He may also sacrifice himself to save her son this would also be his redemption...On another note she keep seeking him out so in fairness hes not exactly trying to be in her life.
@@Legion852 If the two of them are having their own show it’s because they might get along in the end, or sharing their lives together. 😖 To your favor: Maybe Negan will stop Maggie from making a cold hearted decision about letting someone die so that her group could live. Negan will save that person from dying and the group will see that Maggie is becoming more cold hearted and Negan more savior hearted. 🤷♂️
I don’t think she is. I think in a realistic world, this is how everyone would treat the situation. She still remembers, and can’t forget, but accepts that they’re both trying regardless and that’s some of the best writing of the show. You’d think it’s common for shows to have this but most other shows totally blow it. Bad writing would’ve seen Maggie still totally forgive Negan here, or have her totally hate Negan. Perfect writing is what she did in this scene.
@@ImaginaryNate exactly so glad they didn't go the route of her becoming best buds with him, like anybody would ever do that. but i also get that Negan had reasons (not great reasons but still) for doing what he did and he genuinely regrets what happened now and is a good person. perfect ending imo.
@@Project2025WILLRUINYOURLIFE Negan liked to kill people. That was his reason(a callous one at that). He didn't have to kill Glenn like that, he wanted to.
That's not gonna happen... No one in their right mind, should ever consider forgiving someone, for murdering a loved one. It wouldn't be realistic. As it is, I'm wondering how they're gonna make this spin off, between them work out
I consider THIS the climax of the series. The big “showdown” per se. The big resolution (as close to one anyways) of one of the biggest character plot strings in the series.
This was probably the best ending between these 2 we could have hoped for. I never expected she would be able to forgive him. I don't think anybody truly could. But I didn't ever think she'd tell him she knows that monster he was is gone and doesn't wanna hate him anymore either. This was heavy
I have mixed opinion about Negan apologizing for killing Glenn. Firstly he made it clear that he doesn't regret the line up because to him they killed guys families without remorse. To me the Glenn subject was put to rest by Negan admitting that he did something horrible but so did Rick's group.
He said he would kill all of them if he wanted things to go his way. But he apologised because he understood the pain he had put them through. So either killing them all or sparing them all would have avoided that kind of pain and he suffers that he picked the one painful choice.
@@alonnie1919 Exactly. Kinda baffles me how people miss this. Also, when he had that discussion with Maggie and said he'd kill them all it was basically a direct commentary on how Maggie should deal with the Reapers. Negan was not wrong saying that because it indeed was what he should have done AT THE TIME.
you guys need to stop pushing for this narrative... yes Negan went after Rick's group cause they attacked one of his outposts, but Negan and his people were already killing many people and stealing from other communities... Rick's group is no where near comparable to Negan and his behavior. Rick and his group mostly did cruel things out of self-defense... it's just not the same
All season long, we were waiting for this moment and it didn't disappoint. I mean, that's clearly the best Negan could get from Maggie and it's a big victory for him on his redemption. They can't be friends. My only regret is the fact that Negan and Rick didn't face again. It would be interesting to see Rick's reaction about current Negan
I think I understand why Maggie hasn't killed him even though she's had numerous opportunities since Rick went missing; Because Negan wants her to forgive him for killing Glenn but knows he will never receive it from her. Depravity of Forgiveness and life long regret. And that, in her eyes, is a worse punishment then death. Dying is easy, living is harder.
I don’t think it was to punish him for what’s he’s done that she didn’t kill him. It was more for her own well being. She doesn’t want to become what he was and she trying to be better for their son. I’m the end she did it for herself and not for him. Hatred rots your soul and turns you into something ugly that she’s refusing to be. I mean that’s how Negan got into this situation doing things out of hate and coming out of it is just a mirror of all the horrible things he did but Maggie realized that and chose not to end up like him.
owh man... Negan even speechless.. his eyes ... how I felt this emotion... their acts like superrrrrrrrrrr 💞💓🤩😍 definitely gonna watch them again 2023 InsyaAllah 💪🥰
I really love this scene. Besides what others have said, and I don't think I've seen it mentioned yet, but if it has been, then I'm sorry for repeating it. But seeing Negan seeing Maggie in so much pain over her husband like that, I think it also gave him a chance to reflect on how he felt when Lucille was taken from him. Not in the same fashion, of course, but she died. And it could be said, it was because of the people who held Negan as long as they did when he was trying to get her Chemo. He could possibly see a reflection of his own pain for Lucille reflected back at him from Maggie's pain. Knowing that he has caused upon someone the same suffering he carries with him on a day to day basis. This of course is just a thought that popped into my head from the look on his face at the end. It felt like it was the type of face that said "oh my God, I have caused the same kind of pain I have carried and put another person through it who just like I, didn't deserve it". That type of thing
This was the best result I think Negan could ask for out of Maggie. She doesn't want to avenge Glenn anymore, she doesn't want to hold onto the hate and anger anymore. But after everything he put her and the group through... it is more than entirely understandable that even though she (and I am glad she did) acknowledged the fact she can see Negan TRYING, proving himself not to be that monster he turned into before. That yeah she isn't gonna kick him out or try to kill him anymore, but there will always be a part of her that will never forgive the malicious horrible way he killed Glenn. Which to me, is forgiveness to a point, I don't think Glenn would want Maggie to spend the rest of her days in that kind of pain.
I guess Maggie is better than me because I would have waited to kill him in the most brutal way. When when he was feeling happier, trying more, that would be the time. Still, amazing scene and intriguing conclusion to their conflict.
Dead City is the only spin off Im actually gonna watch just because of these two amazing actors and the weird chemistry and relationship they have. It’s incredibly interesting.
@@koalawater6000 For sure, I’ll quit watching if that’s what they are gonna do. I like their weird respect/hate for each other. Well mainly Maggie hates Negan, I don’t think Negan hates Maggie at all anymore.
Negan has never hated Maggie. Who knows what will happen next season. I want them to connect, it doesn’t need to be romantic. She has no family left and Negan is a good man to have around.
This scene was so empowering. She recognized that he was trying to be better. But I felt it when she said that she couldn’t forgive him. I have tried so hard to forgive the person that hurt me really bad. The person that took my worth from me. But if I could talk to him again, I would tell him that I will never forgive him. But I have let go of the hate. That’s the important part. Yes it’s not the same as what happened to her but I connected so much to this scene.
There are things that people can’t forgive or move on from but it doesn’t mean you can’t trust them ever again. I think we all have those moments. Simply ignoring is easier but making peace with our demons is the hard yet right path.
No, his arc was as amazing as father Gabriel. He directly saved Judith, darryl, Gabriel, Aaron, and saved everyone else with killing alpha, while Maggie was busy on vacation. He’s more than earned his place in the group and made up for his past sins.
@@matts6551It felt really forced imo. All in the span of one season, every likable character got into exact situations where Negan would be the only character who could help them. It felt lazy from a writing perspective to just write people into corners and have Negan be the solution every single time, just to try and make him likeable
@@kye4216 ah yes complain about a show set in the apoc where rules and logic dont exist anymore in the real world yes but in an apoc rules right and wrong dont exist anymore eveeyone's killed period
I always thought, Rick getting his colt back and reuniting with Daryl was the most powerful scene…but this is amazing. It’s so good written and the acting is incredible.
She right you could never truly forgive what he done, it was simply unforgivable, however she knows negan understands what he done n that he is genuinely sorry, the scene was done so well n both of them perfectly portrayed the hurt they both felt
This is honestly a realistic take on moving forward from loss rather than that bullshit "must forgive" narrative. Taking out the context of the show, let's look at it in a real world setting. Let's say Negan killed Glenn in a drunk driving accident instead. He goes to prison, serves his time, and becomes a better person. But Maggie cannot forgive him for killing her husband, and that's okay. She doesn't have to do it, she doesn't owe Negan anything. But she does see that he has paid his debt and become a better person, and for that, she lets go of her anger because that is the only way SHE can move forward.
Negan not saying a single word and the look in his eyes was the most powerful thing. You can see it in both their eyes the shit they been through and the pain they feel. The fact that he didn't smile, make suave or sly jokes, apologize or say anything when given the opportunity is the wildest character development ever. He knew this was more than he deserved and there was nothing he could ever do to take back the pain he dished out that night.
“I hear you mocking him while he’s dying” man that really hits hard
Yeah, you can make whatever justifications you want about Negan punishing the group, but he taunted and tortured Glenn in his last moments. To get this much acceptance from his wife (who saw all that happen) is miraculous enough.
No pun intended
Jeffrey Dean Morgan's facial expressions are amazing throughout this scene, but especially that little sideglance he does at 2:03 after she says that quote - it really shows how ashamed and appalled he is about having done that.
“I don’t want to remember Glenn like that” geez that was crushing
Pun intended?
@@adrianodestefano920 omg I didn’t even think about that!
@@elliefreymann96 haha, I got it the first time 😄
Yea I believe in comics Maggie was distance from Hershel because he looked like Glenn and when she thought of him she thought of his face when he died
@@shataysianelson9414 she was distant since she became the president of the commonwealth
"Glenn was beautiful." God that line just hits so hard.
it hits so hard my eye popped out!
@@RaptorJesus. Well ya got me there 😆
@@RaptorJesus. oh no 😂
Ami me dolió mucho la muerte de. Glenn medio mucho dolor como fue su muerte no fue justo llore mucho
omg
i loved that he let her talk, never interrupted even let her walk away without saying a word. He knew there was nothing he could say or do to change her mind.
How could anyone honestly. This is the best thing Negan could possibly hope for. And it seems like letting him live was the best punishment he could - knowing that he has changed, it means he will live with nothing but regret and self-hate. Even in his happiest moments, he will live knowing he doesn’t deserve them.
@@llIllIlI we can only hope!
@@llIllIlIdude is m hopeing!
@@mikeshinwa3398 i mean deserve isnt really a factor in a apoc tbf
Negan doesn't say a word, but his face speaks a thousand words. Incredible acting
What did Negan do wrong? Maggie's husband attacked Negan's group and killed many in their sleep. Negan only killed TWO of Rick's men in response. By chance, one of them turned out to be Glen. But Glen is a murderer himself and deserves it. Negan in the conditions of the apocalypse led his group correctly. There's nothing to blame him for
@@novemunumunum980 remember that we watch the Walking Dead through Rick's group. Now I'm not disagreeing with you, Rick's group definitly had something coming for them. But as Negan once said (or maybe not Negan, but still applies) "everyone thinks they're the good guys". Rick's group suffered a tremendous loss, even though it might have been 'fair' if you look at it from both sides, they hated him for it.
@@novemunumunum980 He killed probably max 5 while the group killed so much more. Glenn regreted every single killing, he's innocent.
@@novemunumunum980 the difference was ricks group did it out of necessity negan killed glenn for enjoyment and to power trip ricks group
@@novemunumunum980 I sometimes feel like I'm the only one who watched when several episodes prior Daryl, Abraham, and Sasha first met the Saviors who told them it's policy to always kill someone when they meet a new group. This information was further confirmed to Rick when he visited Hilltop. NEGAN WAS GOING TO MURDER MEMBERS OF RICK'S GROUP NO MATTER WHAT.
They are such good actors. Even before Maggie spoke her face said a thousand words. You can see Negan mentally preparing himself for whatever conversation would take place when Maggie sat down
she sucked his balls after this scene
I believe he knew the outcome already. Forgiving him was never an option. But in the apocalypse all they have left of humanity are their bonds. He severed that with Maggie the moment he used that bat on Glen. But she’s trying for her son, and that was all the hope he could put into it. Her son is the last remaining part of Glen. And if he protects him, he is at the very least trying to be a better person.
What did Negan do wrong? Maggie's husband attacked Negan's group and killed many in their sleep. Negan only killed TWO of Rick's men in response. By chance, one of them turned out to be Glen. But Glen is a murderer himself and deserves it. Negan in the conditions of the apocalypse led his group correctly. There's nothing to blame him for
@@novemunumunum980 rick is an idiot
@@novemunumunum980 that’s literally not the point he still killed her husband and she can’t forgive him for that’s you wouldn’t either.
After everything that has happened between them, that is the best result of their communication and understanding between them that Negan could hope for or get. Also really nice to see Maggie vocalize that she sees his efforts for self improvement/redemption and that she herself is trying. Really awesome scene.
With the understanding the The Walking Dead is a TV show, and these are not actual people, I was surprised how much I missed Scott Wilson's Herschel and was surprisingly moved by his appearance in another character's dream. I kept waiting for Maggie to invoke him here"(I know what my daddy would want me to do, and I've never missed him more than in his moment. I can't forgive you...yet.") Negan's articulation of what he's done to her and her child was well done. More of these character moments, which well written dialogue and completely relatable motives, would have done the last five years of this series a world of good. Kudos to JD Morgan and Lauren Cohan.
@Joseph DeLuca To be honest though, that would be great for Hershel Rhee instead as he grows up.
What did Negan do wrong? Maggie's husband attacked Negan's group and killed many in their sleep. Negan only killed TWO of Rick's men in response. By chance, one of them turned out to be Glen. But Glen is a murderer himself and deserves it. Negan in the conditions of the apocalypse led his group correctly. There's nothing to blame him for
@@novemunumunum980 Glenn and there group murdered Negans men cause they were bullying, murdering sons a bitches and they needed to be stopped....did you not pay attention to ANYTHING ??
@@novemunumunum980 edge lord over here
The look in his eyes says everything, he's such a good actor.
Amen!
He’s always has been a great actor, it’s just finally people are recognizing it!
What did Negan do wrong? Maggie's husband attacked Negan's group and killed many in their sleep. Negan only killed TWO of Rick's men in response. By chance, one of them turned out to be Glen. But Glen is a murderer himself and deserves it. Negan in the conditions of the apocalypse led his group correctly. There's nothing to blame him for
@@novemunumunum980 dawg you commented that on another post leave it alone 😂😂😂
@@novemunumunum980 While they ALL could be considered murderers by our current values the world did change, but there was still a bit of a moral compass to follow. Killing in the show usually revolved around exactly what you said but "Sadistic" killing was something that was never touched on and Negan stepped over that line quite a few times, his iron grip on people was stepping over the line but it kept people in check. So honestly just shooting Glen for what they did, fine but being sadistic and mocking during it violated the moral compass on the show IMO. I don't know if anyone else felt and this scene is just a small arc in him realizing he violated that morality again only IMO. However I do agree with you on the idea of balancing the table by killing 2 of Ricks group.
This is more than Negan deserves. He knows that. She could never forgive him. But she knows he means it. This is so raw. It is EXTREME ROBBERY that the actors on this show were never nominated for Emmys just because there were zombies in it.
Maggie trusts him now
Oh shit is that the reason!?
Yes absolutely.
I thought it was due to the show beeing dogshit for about 6 years now.?
Probably the best way they could've written it. I don't think anyone could truly forgive someone who killed their lover in cold blood and even laughed all the way through it.
Always loved Maggie from her introduction and her evolution from Farmers Daughter, to a no nonsense bad ass and a Mother has been one of the few best character developments I seen.
😭👌 this is probably the only show I really got attached to.
She’s everything I wish lori was
One of my favorite scenes in the finale. She gave a perfect, eloquent and heartfelt speech with a harmonious "solution" to their complex dynamic.
It’s that line “I don’t want my son to see that anyone has that kind of hold over me” that really seals it. Excellent writing and acting!
The fact that Negan said NOTHING during that entire scene made that scene POWERFUL
We know he didn’t regret killing Abraham because he purposely chose him but you can tell he has a hell of a lot of remorse that he killed Glenn
He did say earlier that he doesn’t even regret that.
I'm sure if he just killed Glenn that the war with the saviors would have ended a lot more brutally. Abraham was a tough ass mfer.
He killed Abraham because he knew he was the type that wouldn't submit to him no matter what he did. In the case of Glenn, it was more like he was forced to.
The show really did Abraham dirty by giving him that death. Pretty much all the emotion and callbacks to that moment have been, understandably, focused on Glenn. But had Abe died any other episode, it would’ve had one of the biggest impacts. I still think Abe should’ve died in the Season 6 finale and had Glenn die in the S7 premier.
@@Nighthawk1384 everybody says that but I think it is literally the most ridiculous argument ever. Punching someone after seeing your friend beaten to death in front of you is not FORCING someone to bash someone else’s brains in with a barbed wire bat in front of his pregnant wife while you taunt both of them. Jesus christ dude
Honestly the is one of the most well put realistic dialogue between two people trying to be better. So raw and real and not afraid to actually call him out for everything, while using Glenns name and remembering his beauty. Amazing.
Hands down Maggie’s best performance 10/10
No ♾️/10
As interested as I am to see Dead City, I think this scene right here is the PERFECT ending for these characters. Maggie can’t forgive Negan for what he’s done, but she’s still actively trying to work on not letting Negan bother her. Negan is still actively trying to better himself and be better for those around him and Maggie accepts that. It’s really compelling stuff and this will be my head canon perfect ending.
Agreed but i don't have enought of Maggie and Negan dynamics tbh ;)
Naw this was well put fr!
Wow. First time seeing this and i have a lump in my throat. Glenn was one of the kindest most humane people in that world and for him to die the way he did was unbelievably cruel and Negan made a joke. When she mentions how negan mocked him as he died really hit me. Glenns death scene is the single most brutal hearbreaking scene in this whole series for me. I personally would not be able to let it go and i wouldve killed Negan the second i had a chance.
I completely agree with this. That had to have been absolutely haunting for her to endure, especially with Negan cracking jokes. No doubt she's struggling with PTSD from it so the pain never ends. I still cant get over Glenn's death it was unreaaonably brutal.. like, its just a show but stung. A lot. I would've def had to end Negan just to balance my world if I were Maggie. There's just no coming back from that. Period.
@@ChaotikBabe you’re right, but then you’d be feeding into that hatred. Killing in revenge and calling it balance. At the end of the day it’s just creating a cycle that doesn’t end. And I think Maggie realized that and knew that wasn’t the world she wanted her son to grow up in. Plus I believe she’s also seeing the good that can come from giving people second chances. Case in point: Negan saving her son. There’s a very good chance he would’ve died had it not been for Negan, which at that point I wouldn’t have been surprised if Maggie contemplated suicide. Long story short; Maggie knows hate is destructive and knows Negan is not the same person so she’s telling it to him true that she can’t forgive him and there may not be a time she’s able to.. but that she’ll continue to try.
Naaaah that sh@t was funny and Glen was soft a@@ hell🤣🤣🤣🤣
Show ended when Glenn and Abraham died. I wish they said more in the show about Daryl causing Glenns death, and it feels like Abraham wasn't mentioned once after that. As much as I like Daryl I feel like his actions would have caused some friction in the group that went unaddressed.
@@travisdurham29 🤓
The scenes between Maggie and Negan in the finale were completely powerful, brutally honest and totally raw. Negan finally acknowledges what he did to Maggie and her response was beautiful. Negan’s expressions spoke volumes & he knew it was more than he deserved.
This hit home. Honestly a very realistic solution for them to keep moving forward
This script for Maggie was just phenomenal. Great scene!!
When Negan finally officially apologized for what he took from Maggie, she finally felt like she can mourn for Glenn after years of feeling hate for Negan
How could you ever forgive someone for what Negan did? Not killing him is BEYOND generous on her part. It doesn't matter how much you change or how hard you try. Cause those kind of scars. Time never heals. All it does is stop the bleeding... but the scars never heal.
Because she knows that he is broken by the guilt of what he did, and killing him would relieve him of it.
nah it does matter how much you change and how much you try; it shows how you're trying to be a better person than you were before, but you also don't go and kill people then get mad when they retaliate and kill someone you love because the people they killed could've had family. Actions have consequences. If God can forgive us for our sins, then humans can also forgive each other they just don't want to.
it's a zombie show man, some people even ship them and justify it without giving a damn about story. They hate Maggie for wanting to kill Negan because they find JDM badass and hot. But, whenever i watch s7 e1 , Maggie not killing Negan at first sight and sparing him multiples times, is still more unrealistic than zombies.
@@akilkotamarti1000 Psychopaths are not broken by guilt.
The fact that you can see the utter remorse in Negans face of what he did and him trying to change for the better is heartbreaking.
Remorse for turning her husbands head into jello ..... acting is awesome but the story and writing here is ass ..... he should be dead and gone already
Hope that guy burns in hell and may he never feel redemption
Yeah! But it’s clear that Maggie can’t forgive him because Negan could never forgive himself for what he did. Why Maggie would? 💔
I legit broke down once she dropped the line how beautiful Glenn was. 😭
Watch this scene damn near every other day,such a powerful message “I don’t want to hate you anymore,I don’t want to hurt like that,and I don’t want my son to see anyone has that kind of hold over me”powerful
More like sentimental and cliche.
@@dwnkaomwn3953 ur talking out of ur ass bro
@@dwnkaomwn3953That's not what cliché means
I think him genuinely apologising is a perfect progression from their last real conversation where he justifies his side of the past…at that point he hadn’t met her son, he hadn’t looked in the eyes of the boy who’s father he had murdered. I think he can have his reasons and justifications on the outside, but looking at Maggie’s eyes everyday and meeting her son and watching that kid point a gun at him…there’s no justifying it for him anymore. He knows deep in his heart that what he did was wrong and he’s finally fully accepted it.
He can see the immense pain and suffering he’s caused her and I think he’s genuinely grown fond of her and admires her strength, which only makes him hate himself for what he did even more. He had to have known that she wouldn’t and couldn’t ever truly forgive him, but a heartfelt apology was necessary…this is the best possible outcome between these two.
Let's nevermind the fact that Maggie and her people are just as guilty as he is if they were not killing his people all that time he wouldn't have killed Glenn or Abraham.
@@jameszeigler9353 to an extent, yes, but Jesus, Dwight, and Bud made it quite clear that introductory brutal killing is their standard operating procedure. How Rick and company did what they did was wrong, but they knew the Saviors were an oppressive threat before attacking.
But all of that is really a moot point in the end. Negan didn’t just shoot Abe and Glenn and call it a day. He ruthlessly massacred them in front of their loved ones. He taunted the survivors and continued to torment them well afterwards. Negan’s actions weren’t entirely one-sided, but what he did was torture.
@@Night5225 Ya but to say that he didn't have to kill them and hold a grudge against him for while part of it was justified but in another way it makes maggie and the others hypocrites because those people at those outposts had families too people that felt loss and they never thought what they did was wrong.
@@jameszeigler9353 yeah, but their first experiences with the Saviors prior to the outpost attack were 1) being randomly held up and almost murdered for no reason by the bikers and 2) the Hilltop attempted murder of Gregory that was instigated by the Saviors. Jesus also told them how they had one murdered by the Saviors and their crew wasn’t particularly violent. They had all the reason to assume they were all just ready to kill them.
@@jameszeigler9353 negan defender clone army
JDM is such a great actor. There is a scene in Supernatural when his character finds out his wife is alive and without words he expressed his happiness so wonderfully
Negan realized he killed a good man. Glenn was someone who would help someone. Glenn wasn't running around murdering people on the spot. Negan saw in himself that he was the one who had lost his humanity.
I know people try to justify Negan's actions and say that Rick's group killed his people and started it, but they seem to forget that their first interaction with the Saviors was them holding Daryl, Sasha, and Abraham at gunpoint and trying to rob them, and that they attacked the outpost because the Saviors were threatening and killing Hilltop members. Yes, they escalated things, but it certainly wasn't "oh everything would have been fine if they didn't attack Negan's men."
Second, it wasn't just the killing that was so horrifying. It was the cruelty of not just the method of death by beating Glenn's head into a pulp but also the way he taunted his friends and family while making them watch. You see it here that Maggie seems to be the most emotional when she talks about Negan mocking Glenn as he died. And then he made them sit by Glenn and Abraham's mangled corpses for the whole night. Negan does everything in his power in the episode to be as cruel and inflict as much pain and torment as possible and visible revels in it. So yeah, even if Rick and Maggie have killed people and have been cruel, Negan definitely owes Maggie and apology and Maggie is definitely in her right not to forgive him.
She doesn’t have to say the words I forgive you to forgive him she clearly does forgive him by not killing him and being able to be in his presence
Eh, you make Rick's side sound so much more moral than it actually was, they agreed to fight Negan in exchange for half of Hilltop's supplies. It wasn't a moral response to what they saw at Hilltop, Rick wanted their stuff and agreed to go kill people to get it, he even said to his people to justify it "This is how we eat". So, you're not wrong when you say what happened with Sasha, but it's misrepresentative of what happened and makes Rick's group sound like good-hearted defenders of the weak when it was clearly a they were going to kill these people for food situation.
@@Jack29245 True. I didn't mean to portray Rick's group as some morally upright set of people. Killing the Saviors in their sleep was terrible. But I was more addressing the argument I've seen from some that Negan did not do anything wrong in killing Glenn, that Rick's group completely started the conflict, or that his and Rick's actions at that point are complete moral equivalents. Essentially, I've seen people criticize Rick's group or Maggie as being complete hypocrites, and I was more addressing those claims.
@Jack Bristow Here's what Alexandria knew about the saviors prior to attacking them
-They tried to kill Daryl, Sasha, and Abraham
-They wanted Daryl, Sasha, and Abraham to take them back to Alexandria where they could possibly kill more.
- The biker gang saviors said they're stuff belong to Negan now, presuming that they were ready to forcibly take all of their resources.
-They had subjugated Hilltop and killed a 16 year old to make instill fear
-Hilltop MUST consistently provide resources for them, otherwise someone would die, stated by Jesus himself.
So Rick and Co had every reason to take the saviors out. They were horrible people and the saviors were a threat to every community out there.
@@Bolivian654 Where did I say otherwise? What I said was that people were presenting Rick attacking the Saviours as some moral crusade when it was entirely self-interest for Alexandria.
The spin-off terrifies me because I don’t want them to undo this whatsoever. It’s way more powerful seeing Negan be legitimately sorry, but Maggie literally unable to ever forgive him because, how could you
But also Maggie doesn’t want to hate him anymore because too much hatred in your heart is bad for you
They did it..they are on cross again in the spin off
I've watched Hannibal season 3, i can't handle another "undoing."
You can’t deny the dialogue in this scene is perfect
The relationship between these two characters was the most beautiful thing this show did.
great dynamics hope dead city don't ruined it
@@negan5986 nope i love it
Negan knew full well just to listen, not to say a word. The old Negan wouldn't have been able to do that.
“I’ll find you.” ❤. And she did. Everywhere. And in the last breathe she gave away her hate. Glenn, did that.
A beautiful way to put this.
I'm thinking if Negan didn't kill him so brutally, like maybe shot him instead, Maggie would be more forgiving. Watching what he did to Glenn (and Abraham as well) would mess anyone up.
I agree, he didn't have to do that to Glenn or Abe.
100% agree
Which is why I can’t forgive him either as charismatic as he his and all the times he mad me laugh through out the show I still never forgave him. I understand negan side but the way he went about it was disgusting
And as horrible as Glenn's death was, Negan was only going to kill Abraham until Daryl showed his ass. Pretty much, Negan just turned around and bashed whoever would have been sitting there.
He was reveling in the sociopathic cold cruel torture of it all, joking when Glenns brains are hanging out. He enjoyed every moment of it, got off on it even. Its simply irredeemable. You are so right that its so much different than "I perceive you as a threat; bang, dead" which is how things usually go down in this show. Theyve established the ground rules over and over in this show about kill-or-be-killed and act first to defend yourself which is why I find it so hard to believe Negan was left alive. In that world he would be killed at the first chance they got. Its part of the reason I stopped watching.
Maggie: "He was beautiful. His smile...'
Negan: "His popped out eye...."
2:35 And after Dead City S1, years passed and Hershel sees exactly that
It takes a strong person to say i cant hate you but i cant forgive you either
It's not about strength, it's how Maggie feels.
these two & their on-screen chemistry works so well together! two talented actors!
I think Negan respects Maggie more than anyone he’s ever met. Her pain is his now.
This scene here shows my biggest issue with Dead City! We see Maggie and Negan here coming to somewhat of a understanding. they never will be friends but at the same time she' came to realize he is truly trying to change and redeem himself for his past actions, he earned his place as one of them after helping them through the battles with the Whispers and the Commonwealth , there will be days when she will be fine with negan and able to look him in the eye and there will be days when she obviously wont which he 100% understands and then we go to the Spin off, Dead City and shes suddenly gone back to hating him again.
That’s why I couldn’t make it past the first episode of dead city. It’s nothing more than a lazy cash grab on the original ip. Daryl Dixon at least tries something new instead of rehashing the old shit.
I haven’t seen any other spinoff but TOWL
She can’t let go of Glenn’s murder and Hershel not having a father. In Dead City. At least at the end. Realizing Hershel is tired of her obsession with Negan. He needed to tell his mom that. I don’t think it’s pure hatred for her at this point. She wants him gone and she doesn’t want to be her that does it. And the look in her eye when she gets her son back and sees Negan leave. She does feel guilt. Ok you can’t forgive him. But you rage and hate 16 years since your husband has died. You have to find a way to heal. Or you will have no son and no family. It would be great in the spinoff. If she can find a way to be able to trust him. She knows he won’t kill her and he is sorry. Maggie make room for the pain but letting it consume you will kill you. Truly
With all the amazing scenes between so many great actors in this series... this, for me, is hands down one of the most amazing between any two actors on the show.
Maggie just said everything I’ve been feeling and have been trying to put into words for the past 5 years, here. I love Rick, Glenn, Daryl, etc. and all of their wonderful moments they’ve given to the show, but deep down inside, I believe this is my favorite scene and the greatest scene of the Walking Dead. Everything about it was perfect.
It’s also a bonus that it sets up their show Dead City well and makes us all look forward to the dynamic they’re going to have in that show.
Despite who and what he has done,he knows how to treat women,despite his toxic traits he knows when to listen,he knows when to speak,knows when a women just needs to vent,etc etc..he has his masculine side but also has a feminine side to him which I felt fit his role perfectly..in this moment he doesn’t say a word bc he knows it’s not all about him IN THIS EXACT MOMENT,he’s letting her get how she feels out despite weather he feels she’s right or wrong,despite how much it hurts him
Jeffrey Dean conveyed so many emotions without saying a single word. He's such a talented actor.
GOD I loved this scene. I wish the best for these 2, I really do. Glenn would be proud of you, Maggie. :')
I can't believe how amazing this scene is! Great actors! It's a great conclusion to their story, even if it will continue in the spinoff. I just hope they won't ruin it, I'm perfectly happy with the current state of their dynamic. You can complain about the writing of the series, but they did great with these two.
I’m honestly sad that Negan and Maggie’s relationship won’t stay like this in Dead City, because this ending for them was perfect.
Are you saying that they will battle each other again? Because THAT’S WHAT I WANT!! 😃
There is no way that I would want theses two to get along! Forgiving and forgetting is one thing, getting along is another thing! 😠
@@frankcortes6852 They are far from getting along currently in dead city. I just hope they dont revert them completely to her hating him and treating him like shit which honestly so far that seems to be whats happening... i was hoping for some sort of mutual respect or agreement not Maggie being a bitch and Negan walking on egg shells but the first 2 episodes have been exactly that and im a little annoyed...The only time you really see negan in the first 2 episodes of dead city are his knock knock joke and i want more of that.
@@Legion852 Well, in order for me to forgive and forget someone who has hurt me so much as Negan did to Maggie is by never seeing or hearing from that person ever again. Maybe you would be more forgiving to someone who bashed your wife’s head and joked about it while she was dying, but everybody has their way. 🤷♂️
In my opinion, what will happen is that Negan will loose his wife and child, when Maggie sees that she will start to emphasize with Negan and getting along with him. After that, Rick and Michonne will come back at the last episode, when they see Negan being free they will immediately kill him and everybody will be horrified that their beloved Negan is suddenly killed by good heroes who didn’t know about his rehabilitation. 🤣
@@frankcortes6852 I dont hate it lol..How ever no i would not be forgiving I would be the opposite he would have been dead already.... He may also sacrifice himself to save her son this would also be his redemption...On another note she keep seeking him out so in fairness hes not exactly trying to be in her life.
@@Legion852 If the two of them are having their own show it’s because they might get along in the end, or sharing their lives together. 😖
To your favor: Maybe Negan will stop Maggie from making a cold hearted decision about letting someone die so that her group could live. Negan will save that person from dying and the group will see that Maggie is becoming more cold hearted and Negan more savior hearted. 🤷♂️
Who knows? She might be saving the forgiveness for their spin off finale
I wonder if they’ll have zombie dogs bro
I don’t think she is. I think in a realistic world, this is how everyone would treat the situation. She still remembers, and can’t forget, but accepts that they’re both trying regardless and that’s some of the best writing of the show. You’d think it’s common for shows to have this but most other shows totally blow it. Bad writing would’ve seen Maggie still totally forgive Negan here, or have her totally hate Negan. Perfect writing is what she did in this scene.
@@ImaginaryNate exactly so glad they didn't go the route of her becoming best buds with him, like anybody would ever do that. but i also get that Negan had reasons (not great reasons but still) for doing what he did and he genuinely regrets what happened now and is a good person. perfect ending imo.
@@Project2025WILLRUINYOURLIFE Negan liked to kill people. That was his reason(a callous one at that). He didn't have to kill Glenn like that, he wanted to.
That's not gonna happen... No one in their right mind, should ever consider forgiving someone, for murdering a loved one. It wouldn't be realistic. As it is, I'm wondering how they're gonna make this spin off, between them work out
I consider THIS the climax of the series. The big “showdown” per se. The big resolution (as close to one anyways) of one of the biggest character plot strings in the series.
I feel like Maggie was a stand in for the audience in regards to Glenn's character being killed off.
One of the best scenes in the series.very realistic resolution to their situation.
This was probably the best ending between these 2 we could have hoped for. I never expected she would be able to forgive him. I don't think anybody truly could. But I didn't ever think she'd tell him she knows that monster he was is gone and doesn't wanna hate him anymore either. This was heavy
Heartbreaking... Beautifully acted
I wish Dead City didn't erase all of this 💔
I WILL NEVER FORGIVE NEGAN FOR WHAT HE DID, BUT I FEEL VERY BAD FOR HIM!
maggie forgive negan i feel gienn good guy negan same way good guy he feel for maggie im sorry for gienn
@@quintenhatchell8794 word soup
nobody cares if you don't forgive Negan to keep it real with you it wasn't about you anyway 😂😂😂😂😂 that the funny part
@@javaughncarter3223 another instance of word soup
it's still funny to me that they played spouses in BvS.
I have mixed opinion about Negan apologizing for killing Glenn. Firstly he made it clear that he doesn't regret the line up because to him they killed guys families without remorse. To me the Glenn subject was put to rest by Negan admitting that he did something horrible but so did Rick's group.
He said he would kill all of them if he wanted things to go his way. But he apologised because he understood the pain he had put them through. So either killing them all or sparing them all would have avoided that kind of pain and he suffers that he picked the one painful choice.
Let’s not forget who attacked who first, ricks group acted out of self defense.
@@alonnie1919 Exactly. Kinda baffles me how people miss this. Also, when he had that discussion with Maggie and said he'd kill them all it was basically a direct commentary on how Maggie should deal with the Reapers. Negan was not wrong saying that because it indeed was what he should have done AT THE TIME.
you guys need to stop pushing for this narrative... yes Negan went after Rick's group cause they attacked one of his outposts, but Negan and his people were already killing many people and stealing from other communities... Rick's group is no where near comparable to Negan and his behavior. Rick and his group mostly did cruel things out of self-defense... it's just not the same
@@YoMomma1337 I get where you are coming from but killing people in their sleep is not self defense.
All season long, we were waiting for this moment and it didn't disappoint.
I mean, that's clearly the best Negan could get from Maggie and it's a big victory for him on his redemption.
They can't be friends.
My only regret is the fact that Negan and Rick didn't face again. It would be interesting to see Rick's reaction about current Negan
That top class acting..that's what make this show greatest!
The acting is phenomenal from both actors in this scene, Lauren Cohan has always been incredible in the show.
Negan and Maggie 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥. Jeffrey and Lauren are such great actors. Amazing job on season 11.
Notice this is the only scene in the series where negan doesn’t have a response/is quiet
I think I understand why Maggie hasn't killed him even though she's had numerous opportunities since Rick went missing; Because Negan wants her to forgive him for killing Glenn but knows he will never receive it from her. Depravity of Forgiveness and life long regret. And that, in her eyes, is a worse punishment then death. Dying is easy, living is harder.
And living with death is even harder death is permanent. That’s why it hurts Maggie so much.
I mean, we all saw it when she tried to kill him in his cell only for him to beg her to do it. Then she finally understood why he was spared.
I don’t think it was to punish him for what’s he’s done that she didn’t kill him. It was more for her own well being. She doesn’t want to become what he was and she trying to be better for their son. I’m the end she did it for herself and not for him. Hatred rots your soul and turns you into something ugly that she’s refusing to be. I mean that’s how Negan got into this situation doing things out of hate and coming out of it is just a mirror of all the horrible things he did but Maggie realized that and chose not to end up like him.
owh man... Negan even speechless.. his eyes ... how I felt this emotion... their acts like superrrrrrrrrrr 💞💓🤩😍 definitely gonna watch them again 2023 InsyaAllah 💪🥰
This was easily one of the hardest scenes to watch last night 😞
I really love this scene. Besides what others have said, and I don't think I've seen it mentioned yet, but if it has been, then I'm sorry for repeating it. But seeing Negan seeing Maggie in so much pain over her husband like that, I think it also gave him a chance to reflect on how he felt when Lucille was taken from him. Not in the same fashion, of course, but she died. And it could be said, it was because of the people who held Negan as long as they did when he was trying to get her Chemo. He could possibly see a reflection of his own pain for Lucille reflected back at him from Maggie's pain. Knowing that he has caused upon someone the same suffering he carries with him on a day to day basis. This of course is just a thought that popped into my head from the look on his face at the end. It felt like it was the type of face that said "oh my God, I have caused the same kind of pain I have carried and put another person through it who just like I, didn't deserve it". That type of thing
This was the best result I think Negan could ask for out of Maggie. She doesn't want to avenge Glenn anymore, she doesn't want to hold onto the hate and anger anymore. But after everything he put her and the group through... it is more than entirely understandable that even though she (and I am glad she did) acknowledged the fact she can see Negan TRYING, proving himself not to be that monster he turned into before. That yeah she isn't gonna kick him out or try to kill him anymore, but there will always be a part of her that will never forgive the malicious horrible way he killed Glenn. Which to me, is forgiveness to a point, I don't think Glenn would want Maggie to spend the rest of her days in that kind of pain.
This scene is perfect this is the culmination of well written thought out and processed character development.
He looked so broken to have never said a word
Negans redemption arc was the only thing that kept me watching till the end. JDM is an insane actor.
I guess Maggie is better than me because I would have waited to kill him in the most brutal way. When when he was feeling happier, trying more, that would be the time.
Still, amazing scene and intriguing conclusion to their conflict.
Dead City is the only spin off Im actually gonna watch just because of these two amazing actors and the weird chemistry and relationship they have. It’s incredibly interesting.
I hope they don't end up a couple like many have speculating
@@koalawater6000 For sure, I’ll quit watching if that’s what they are gonna do. I like their weird respect/hate for each other. Well mainly Maggie hates Negan, I don’t think Negan hates Maggie at all anymore.
negan and carol where a better fit where daryl and maggie could of done a spin-off but not in france
Please don’t sleep on Daryl Dixon or The Ones Who Live, I’d say they’re the best spinoffs imo
Negan has never hated Maggie. Who knows what will happen next season. I want them to connect, it doesn’t need to be romantic. She has no family left and Negan is a good man to have around.
The “All I have are my memories” is what I live by every day. Because it’s so true. I miss my person so much…
This was such an emotional moments that it made me tear up I loved it
All actors in walking dead are great!😊 Congratulations guys!!!❤❤❤ Good job!👍👍👍
This scene was so empowering. She recognized that he was trying to be better. But I felt it when she said that she couldn’t forgive him. I have tried so hard to forgive the person that hurt me really bad. The person that took my worth from me. But if I could talk to him again, I would tell him that I will never forgive him. But I have let go of the hate. That’s the important part. Yes it’s not the same as what happened to her but I connected so much to this scene.
The manner in which Negan killed Glenn makes it all harder for Maggie. Well at least Daryl is over Negan psychologically torturing him
Best scene of the finale, and probably the final series.
no, best scene was Rick's scene
@@TheBreadator117 who??
@@tyycraig1048 ??? You don’t know who rick is? He’s literally the main Character of the serie but he’s missing since 3 seasons
@@TheBreadator117 I know who he is I just always found him boring LMFAOOO
I loved negan's apologize too ;)
There are things that people can’t forgive or move on from but it doesn’t mean you can’t trust them ever again. I think we all have those moments. Simply ignoring is easier but making peace with our demons is the hard yet right path.
This was probably one of the realest hardest toughest relationships to watch….. like god damn this scene broke me😊
"I don't wanna remember Glenn like that." Either.
Stopped watching this show but had to come back for this.
You don't even know what's going on so stop. 🤣🤣
The writers never should have tried redeeming Negan. He should have just stayed as a bad guy unapologetic for the hurt he caused.
No, his arc was as amazing as father Gabriel. He directly saved Judith, darryl, Gabriel, Aaron, and saved everyone else with killing alpha, while Maggie was busy on vacation. He’s more than earned his place in the group and made up for his past sins.
@@matts6551but it just doesn’t make any sense for Maggie to not just kill Negan on sight.
@@matts6551It felt really forced imo. All in the span of one season, every likable character got into exact situations where Negan would be the only character who could help them.
It felt lazy from a writing perspective to just write people into corners and have Negan be the solution every single time, just to try and make him likeable
@@kye4216 ah yes complain about a show set in the apoc where rules and logic dont exist anymore in the real world yes but in an apoc rules right and wrong dont exist anymore eveeyone's killed period
I always thought, Rick getting his colt back and reuniting with Daryl was the most powerful scene…but this is amazing. It’s so good written and the acting is incredible.
By far the few positives of the finale this interaction was GOLD
Negan really knows what he did you can tell the hurt he caused. This scene was so good great acting.
Damn. Talk about character development 😑. This really hits hard especially at 1:59
Ouchh, hearing that line again has hit me hardd
Oh my... 🥺🥺🥺 He didn't say a word, but his face 😭😭😭
GOING BACK TO GLENN’S DEATH, COMPLETELY ERASES EVERY PITY I HAD FOR NEGAN! It was just too gruesome💔😥
IF Negan hadn't been a villain and Glenn had died some other way then Negan and Maggie would be a couple. Change my mind.
They are the Waynes in Batman vs Superman lol
She right you could never truly forgive what he done, it was simply unforgivable, however she knows negan understands what he done n that he is genuinely sorry, the scene was done so well n both of them perfectly portrayed the hurt they both felt
This is honestly a realistic take on moving forward from loss rather than that bullshit "must forgive" narrative. Taking out the context of the show, let's look at it in a real world setting. Let's say Negan killed Glenn in a drunk driving accident instead. He goes to prison, serves his time, and becomes a better person. But Maggie cannot forgive him for killing her husband, and that's okay. She doesn't have to do it, she doesn't owe Negan anything. But she does see that he has paid his debt and become a better person, and for that, she lets go of her anger because that is the only way SHE can move forward.
The best thing they could've done they did and that was have Negan actually be silent entirely for once lmao added that impact to the moment.
Negan not saying a single word and the look in his eyes was the most powerful thing. You can see it in both their eyes the shit they been through and the pain they feel. The fact that he didn't smile, make suave or sly jokes, apologize or say anything when given the opportunity is the wildest character development ever.
He knew this was more than he deserved and there was nothing he could ever do to take back the pain he dished out that night.
negan not dying and his character arc was the best decision they did for this show.
Great scene with amazing actor performance
This scene is very sad i cry so much that my eye pop out
Annie (Negan's wife) made it, yet we never saw her this entire episode. Made no sense to me.
Negan fuked her hard
Hurry up and bat him Maggie.