Hayes: ‘I’ll believe it when I see it that player movement happens’ | OverDrive
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- Bryan Hayes, Jeff O’Neill and Jamie McLennan discuss the Toronto Maple Leafs management media availability, do you believe they will make significant changes to the team and a mini Gerry’s Percentages on if there will be change or not.
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NHL needs to collectively get rid of these no movement clauses. It jams up teams and the league. Trades wildly boost fan interest.
Players will never give those up, it allows them to pick destinations. It’s like asking the owners to abolish the salary cap.
Players have kids and wives and homes. they’re people not property kiddo. Tell that to the NHLPA and record it so we can all see them laugh in your face
@@chadgrovno they are property scree there families winning is more important mitch marner is a piece of human garbage
@@chadgrov The armed forces move all the time to new bases and they dont make millions of dollars so cry me a river that over paid kids who play a game dont want to move , Ask D N D what they think of what u said and watch them laugh in ur face .
No movement clauses are just players having consent to where they play. Cap models were based on 100+ million Salary Caps. Dubas never pivoted. All of the core 4 should have had 7-8 mill deals you could have used the extra 4 mill for each of those deals to add more depth. Losing Muzzin and Brodie regression was really painful.
Get Andrew Lugerner from Vegas and replace him with Pridham.
I would have tried to get a pick from Pittsburgh for Keefe and swapped Keefe for Sullivan if you could.
I looked up the definition of insanity and I saw the Leaf's logo next to it !
Loss to Montreal should have seen changes back in 2021.
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Hayes is spot on! No one cares if they bring back bertuzzi or kampfe. We care about the core 5.
Agreed, I'm not convinced anything will happen. Waiting for them to prove it to us by actually doing something beyond a coach change
I care about Bertuzzi and Domi coming back, they play the style we need for the playoffs. Definitely need to move off Marner, and JT. Wouldn't mind seeing Rielly go at this point, too.
@@RobbieG17 we agree too but I know what he's trying to say. Basically saying we don't care if THOSE are the changes and only changes you make, in regards to either signing or moving on from those players. All we want when we say change is moving on from 1 or all of those 3 core players. I would like to bring both of them back too.
Build the team like the 1993 leafs.. Good young Canadian goalie... veteran defence, 2 hard checking lines. 1 great 1st line ! and a stern coach !
I say that about the Sundin Mogilny Roberts Kaberle McCabe powerplay they should emulate it
Bryan Hayes absolutely on fire with his laser-like assessment of the Leafs' presser🔥🎯👍!
seems like no one agrees
Hayes is bang on. I agree 100%.
Hayes hit the nail on the head, the stands will be packed regardless.
It has been like that for years. So why should the organization care? They could fill the rink with guys that were playing shinny hockey earlier in the day..... The stands will still be packed.
The fact is nothing will change.
exactly.. I remember taking my oldest boy to our first ever NHL game. That was about 15 years ago ( sure as hell can't afford to go with todays prices). Toronto vs Edmonton. Leafs were in 2nd last place in the league and Oilers were dead last. So 2 bottom dweller teams playing that game. Stands were absolutely jammed packed. Insanity..
God I love these guys, insightful and funny. Keep up the great work Hayes, Noodles and ODog
who s mother gave you the thumbs up
O DOG you are wrong wrong wrong !! Thank you Hayes for correcting him . you CANNOT compare the Canes situation to the LEafs .Not even close .The Canes won a Cup in 2006.ONly 18 years ago .And they have made the conference finals 3 times since that Cup . .It has been 57 for the LEafs .Cannot compare the 2 at all .If the LEafs won the Cup in 2005 and made the conference finals 3 more times after that fans would still be content even with this streak of playoff failures .i dont know about the rest of you but I just want to see ONE just ONE damm Cup ( or at least a Finals appearance ) in my lifetime .Then I will be happy !!
I know these players have contractual control however, apart from Matthews and Nylander being safe due to their new contracts taking affect, you have to do something with the other 3. I know there's a chance they all say no to waiving their clauses but there's a chance 1 , maybe even 2 of them do it. One of the problems with this core is they've heard for 8 years now that " they're untouchable". They never said they're safe or they don't think moving on from them is feesable. They've heard " they're untouchable". Take it for what it is, but I think you approach all 3 of them ( Marner, Tavares and Rielly) and tell them you have zero intention of bringing them back. You have 2 choices. First choice is to help this along, waive your clauses and submit a list of teams. Second choice is you say no, come back and play your contract out but the team/ organization is moving on from you and you're gonna play your last season here, on a contract year. Best case scenario, 1 or multiple players waive their clauses and you make appropriate/ necessary moves to better this team. Worst case scenario, they say no. So you run it back, suck it up for a year and let them walk. It sucks to let them walk for nothing but at the end of the day, you won't bring them back, you'll have a ton of cap room to so sign players needed. I'm not sure how it will turn out. I hope all 3 of them say okay, we'll waive and here's a list of teams. Problem is, I think everyone has to realize, those lists can be short and it may consist of teams that either don't want that player, can't facilitate a respectable trade or don't have the cap space to sign them. What if they submit a list of 10 or 12 teams and none of those teams can work out a deal? I don't know but I think a lot of people may be disappointed if/ when they come back and say no to waiving their clauses. Either way, I think you have to approach them and have that discussion. Not only for those players, but ALL players. You have to send the message that, even if you seem contractually safe, we will trade you or let you walk if you don't step it up and commit to this team .
The worst thing possible that happened to Mitch was playing as part of the Leafs Core 4. I expect Mitch to get traded and win a Stanley Cup like Kadri & Kessel did.
Leaf players win cups after they are traded out of Toronto. Can you imagine if Marchand mentors Marner to properly back check to his own net and play like Marchand in the playoffs. 😀
One thing that they touched upon here is how the reaction from the fans et al. if/when they get going good again next season. This is problematic because I've been the opposite; when the Leafs get off to an average-ish start, I'm usually most critical, and what they've done every year has proven it. They come out and have pretty good seasons, not too great, as they're often nearer to the wild card position than the division lead. Look at Boston this year. They were fire hot to start the season, ended a little bit on the slower side, and only dropped out of first spot in the division near the end. They maintained home ice advantage though, and that's the one thing the Leafs have no had in the majority of these game 7s played, especially those against Boston.
Another thing is despite the tremendous record that Keefe had during his tenure in Toronto as head coach throughout the regular season (over 60% win rate), you also have to consider the fact that a lot of these games are played against worse teams with fewer chances to win compared to the teams who can and will. Beating up on a San Jose team and some others will help your stats look much better than they are, but I'm willing to bet (and I haven't done any math to confirm this), but my hunch would be that if you examined the Leafs numbers vs contending teams, they'd actually be closer to the .500 mark. After all, given their track record, they're a sub .500 team in the playoffs. That's simply not good enough. Even Boston and other teams occasionally get a 4-0 sweep, or a 4-1 series win. The Leafs *SIMPLY CANNOT DO THIS!*
My analysis: You have to get rid of Marner or Tavares, or both if possible, and especially if they can bring back decent returns, which Marner should be able to do, and Tavares most likely as well. Johnny T deserves a chance at a cup, and if he really wants to do it in Toronto, he'll train extremely hard this off season to look his best next season, if he's still around. He's 33 years old, and nearing the end of his career in all likelihood, but he's not been producing these past few years as well as he could have. Marner is great in the regular season, then doesn't show up in the postseason. I really do think a different environment would be more suited for him, though just the same if you look at players the Leafs had but no longer do like Zach Hyman, it's also a scary thought that these players might just perform better outside of the spotlight and scrutiny of the Toronto press.
Frankly, I think Rielly should stay. He's far from the single cause of the Leafs failures. He's a D-man ffs. They don't generally score beaucoup goals, and while he was on the ice for the game winner vs Boston, that was a likely situation given a team only has maybe 6-8 d-men on the team. Somebody has to be out there when it happens! The lack of goal scoring is the crux of the issue here, not one solitary d-man who yes, is the longest tenured player there. They do need an improvement in that position, as much as they need a *NEW GOALIE.* Woll looks good sometimes when he's healthy, but just the same, I wouldn't want to give him the keys to the car.
Knowing the Leafs, they'll s--t the bed this year on most of these things, make one or two minor (maybe one major) move in the Summer, hope the team does well next year and do their best to limp into the playoffs, maybe. We'll see...
The players underperformed in the playoffs. Not the coaches. A team that was second in the league in goals then disappeared in the playoffs.
Just think how different this team would be if they had chosen Lou Lamoriello instead of Kyle Dubas as the GM. With Lou its all about the crest on the front of the jersey not the name on the back!!
Not enough cap space to build a winner. Too much tied up in 4 players. You can't punt JT to the curb like people suggest, It's just wrong. Marner and his reps are going to screw this team even worse than he did the first time, and the fans will just keep on paying and praying for a miracle. Since the round one loss to the habs, its been painless for me, because I have no more faith in this organization. I still watch, and I still quietly route for this team, but they'll never disappoint me again. I expect nothing, so they can't.
Isn't their any other teams to talk about their rebuild?
Leafs action plan this offseason.
-Lean out the roster and attempt to move JT and Marner. Both probably stay until the spring.
Replace some of the free agents with your Marlies players.
Get defenseman and forwards back for Marner. You should have pulled the trigger on Boeser or Konecy when they were available. Hanifin or Chychrun as well.
Get a pick and prospects for JT. Maybe you can swing Bennett or another Top 9 centre for JT. But you have to keep expectations realisitic.
Get Chychrun or another Top 4 defensemen.
Sign Stolarz and start Woll or Make a trade for Ullmark.
You have 9 million off the books so you have a lot to play around with.
Saw this happening the day they chose Dubas as GM and Keefe as coach. Both unproven and this is the end result. Honestly they need to trade everyone from Matthews to the bottom line players and rebuild the right way. Firing Keefe was a good start. Now make those necessary trades and don’t screw it up again
Please add more short clips or time stamp the hour long segments.
In 20 years this will be looked at as the biggest wasted era in Leafs history
Couldn't agree more. So frustrating they kept doubling down on this core year after year. Kept running it back with no proof it would lead to anything but failure and disappointment. 8 years of this ( 6 with Tavares) and nothing to show for it but 1 series win. 1 series win in 20 years. What an embarrassment. And now , like you say, you've wasted 8 years of these players for what?
Yes
They have to publicly announce that they will not resign Marner under any circumstances. Put the pressure on him
Doubt they will, being the gutless organization they are, thinking they can “win” a deal at this point. The cap space is the win
Hayes is so right, they ain't doing nothing, Zero chance they move any of those 5 players, they can't..no movement clause..
Maybe MLSE will only do something drastic when all the other Canadian NHL teams start surpassing them in the standings. The Leafs have no draft capital left and nobody in the AHL to use as a trade chips. Still have to wait on prospects Minten and Cowan. Eerily similar to Pittsburgh Penguins situation except their core players are Crosby, Malkin, Letang and Karlsson are much older.
Marner 8m 10 yr...... go for it
Hayes is right; nothing will happen. The sheep will line up to buy tickets and merch no matter what they cost and no matter who is on the ice. They always have, they always will, and the owners know that. Hell, I betcha Marner and Tavares both re-sign this year.
.. Get Rid of .. MORGAN REILLY
Trade Proposal A) Marner and Reilly for Dobson and Horbvat B) Marner,Reilly Tavares for Malkin & Karlson C) Marner and Reilly for Werenski, Marchenko, Sillinger a 1st and and 2 rounder
Hey Odog its the only orginisation with the best goal scorer and couple more good players making bank.Its not similar to any other team
Maybe the best in the regular season, they all can’t play for shit come playoff time.
I’m team Hayes on this one. O’Neil can say whatever this team, that team… what he doesn’t understand that the bar is so low, people I just wanting them to win a fn round or two. How about starting with getting SHOTS! on the power play?! Is that too much to ask for?!
Nope, definitely not. No changes will be made. It will be same shit different year.
I would never give a no movement clause....
None of the big name players are getting traded. Maybe a Nick Robertson or Timothy Liljegren will get moved but none of the big names are going anywhere.
The fact they took til now is crazy. Losing a 3-1 lead to that Montreal team with an interim coach should have been the end of the core.
Yeah ok after losing Tavares and Muzzin do to injury losing their advantage. Another Karen having a suck attack!
Matthews for Dubois and Talbot. Book it
Same old …. Same old… coach change is the fix!
This team has goaltending issues along with defence and forwards. REBUILD?..it’s on a REBUILD!!!
Bam Son
Trade Marner for Saros? 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
It is about the players but if management is stuck on them IE Shannahan then they have to go.
Marner gone Reilly gone would be a miracle load up on 1st rounders
Being one of the richest franchises doesn't guarantee you anything. The Dallas Cowboys is the most valuable team in the world, and they can't seem to get of the first round each year. All the other teams are going to have something to say about that, nobody is going to rollover for you because you are the richest franchise.
I always forget with these three guys, which one is Curly and which one is Moe....Come on you guys! Did you think that Keith Pelley was going to step off a plane after 8 years of being immersed in the professional golf world and fire Shanahan because the team lost in overtime of game 7? And what if he did fire Shanahan and replace him with someone else? What is that person going to do? Fire Treliving after one season? I get that you guys get paid to complain, not to think, but the guys who do get paid to think aren't going to blow up the team in a fit of distemper and be left with nothing. They fired the coach - that was easy and obvious and now they have to explore what is possible in the area of player changes to be ready for their next game - which is in October.
This core has had 2 coaches, psycho Babcock and push over Keefe. Move Marner, Reilly get a goalie and sign Zadorov as a free agent.
The overdrive guys should do this exercise to prove how futile the leafs efforts to win the cup are. Do a snake draft of all players that were excised from the leaf roster because of the core 4. For example Noel Ascari or ryan o reilly. You could even do it on a year by year basis. Through that exercise, you will find that you could build a stanley cup championship team with all the players they had for one or two seasons. What a waste of time and talent.
Signed Maple Leaf SAP (oops. I mean fan)
Marner for Hamilton straight up
Give my Matthews the C. Try to move Morgan and Marner and Tavares.
Coaching is not the problem. The core 5 is the problem. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Comparing leafs to Dallas and Carolina is literally stupid.
domi and bert to torontos old friend dubas in pittsburgh
Marner for sure. Everything is just a joke for him it’s time for him to grow up with another team. Tavares doesn’t have the speed he used to but he’s still a great grinder. Reilly I’m on the fence. He really needs some help but he has given up some really bad goals that he should have easily been able to intercept. Sammy he is so hot and cold that if he was an automobile I would have traded it in a long time ago. Nylander when he gives a shit about playing he’s great but he really needs to start going after the puck in his own end when the other team has it. Matthews is fine but the other players have gotta start shooting more and not make it so obvious that they are just playing around trying to give it to him because they feel he’s the only one that can score. Seeing as we are stuck with Matthews and Nylander for the foreseeable future we should really try and free up the rest of those big $$$ players and start building a strong defence/goalie core so that every goal the Leafs score doesn’t go right back into their next 30 seconds later.
Vegas will blow it up this summer and min will make the finals next year….just saying 😊
ODog got the message from hi boss Pelley. Be nice or else. Predictably
Hopefully Leaf’s fire Shanahan and hire Waddell
Pelley was there for one simple reason. To send a message that this will not be tolerated anymore. Everyone from the President/GM to the waterboy is on his radar, and results is all that matters. The honeymoon and grace period are done. Time for results... Go big or go home
Doing it with some volume this time boys? The incompetence I see everywhere today blows my mind. Sports shows putting out half hour shows on youtube with zero volume...nobody bothers to check? Cell phone companies when you call them they treat their customers like crap. Shanny running the Toronto Maple Leafs for ten years with 4 superstars and getting past the first round once...barely...and still has a job. Blows my mind how all these people have jobs.
Roll it back!..lol
Yes absolutely .The LEafs brass knows that the fans are dumb and will keep buying tickets no matter what .Cant really blame them really Think about it .If you own a business and you produce a crappy product ,and people keep buying it .WOuld you change it ?? lol
To me it has always been the coaching. The system the Leafs play is terrible for the skill level they have. Passing on the Defence is terrible. Passing on the Powerplay. To me Sheldon Keefe was a minor leage coach. He should have been gone 2 years ago when they lost to Montreal. Not having lines set by the playoffs is idiotic. Look at Edmonton and Vancouver when you get a good coach.
One of the richest organizations.
Arguably the worst 🙄
Mariner gone please now!!!!
Hayes hits the bullseye🎯,
No accountability
-- Many suits, no heart🤔?
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I swear, if they come back with the core and resign Marner, I'm out... and I'll stay out until all 5 are gone in some way.
Montréal... Now thats one helluva hockey team.
@@davidgosselin1193hahahahahahahahahaha no.
The odonkey might be one of the worst analyst in hockey. He just embarrasses himself daily. Listen to Hayes and you hear a real professional
Tonight, McD and Draisaitl, 4 points each in a critical round two game two playoff game. PLAYOFF PERFORMERS! Toronto's core 4? Not!!
They are also #2 and #3 behind Gretzky for all time career playoff points per game in NHL history.
“Mitch you have 2 choices, agree to leave or sit upstairs all season and become the most hated man in TMLs history”….😊.
The leafs can’t beat Boston, Boston can’t beat Florida! We have a long way to go before this team is anything other than a first round and down club.
nothing is happening, they will get a new coach that's it 😂
Shanascam = Snake 🐍 who's been shedding his skin here for ten years & slithering around now sucking up to Pelley so now we have Pelley puppet plan. 😂
Pelley copping to only a month of being there and not knowing about the last ten years of Leaf history let alone when Pelley worked for Rogers before he left for Europe. Cop out!
marner will get very little raise , tax free state will be a raise
Leafs are screwed.
Dubas has ruined the leafs for years to come ! Hayes is SOOOO Rite and ODG is Sooo wrong .In the end the Laffs are handcuffed bc of BAD no trade contracts and BAD decisions that were sanctioned by ONE MAN SHANAHAN..........! IF we as fans know whats wrong and what has been lacking WHY didn't Shany who gets PAID to know it..! No trade to No snot Nylander and Marner ???????? Come onnnnnnn !!
No d no goalie
Stop going to the games.
Take away the C from Tavares. Move Rielly, Marner, Reaves, and Tavares. Rid their salary.
No because they are a Jersey Selling Regular season club that turn into crying bros that play Junior in the playoffs. Sick of them. 45 year Maple Leafs Fan and I have never wanted them to dump a contract for pucks like Marners ever. What a ghost in playoffs. No dipsy doodle fancy schmancy moves at all.
Pelley has absolutely ZERO sports experience. Worst higher ever. The dude is a WEF'er. That's what he's about.. Get ready for more pride nights!
Pelley should have walked in and fired Shanahan, Treliving and Keefe. Start with a new vision that isn’t connected to Shanahan and his 1 playoff series win in 10 seasons. 🤡
Shanaplan brings Dubas which brings overpaid players bad moves no cap room. Shanahan doesn’t deserve to keep his job
Player momentum ha
… never happen
what dies player momentum
mean - nothing - bullshit word salad
The Leafs are worse off than they ever were