If you're simply plugging holes or even just mounting normal bottle cages aluminum bolts are even better in terms of $/g saved. That said, larger bolts like the ones used to mount disc calipers (or even cantilevers) are a great application for titanium. Stock cantilever bolts are typically twice as long they need to be anyway.
Agree on Aluminum versus Titanium for noncritical fasteners. And add that for just plugging holes, Polypropylene fasteners are even lighter and cheaper.
If the bolts in the frame are not in use and are there just to plug the hole you could remove them and add plastic bungs. Cheaper and lighter than titanium
Changed all the bolts on my Aprilia and Moto Guzzi motorcycles. Saved about 3 lbs and the cost was about $2,500 for each bike. Ridiculously expensive but no rust, beautiful machines look on the bolts. Only did it as a challenge, not worth the weight savings
Some high tensile steel shouldn't be changed to Ti alloy. Its rather weakening bike structure. I only did on grade 8 steel and a2s , a4s. Titanium isn't a replacement for steel
@@Nobody-hk1kz It can be brittle. Drilling it is a nightmare, it can get stuck on aluminum and rip out the threads without the use of anti-seize. There are plenty of negatives for titanium but if you live by the ocean, sometimes a necessary evil. Stainless is another. option but it is softer than Grade 8 steel. Titanium is great material but also very expensive. I did have the option of using Stainless on my bikes and save lots of money but frankly, I didn't care about the cost. Therefore, there's no gain by using titanium, only use it if you like it and money is burning a hole in your pocket, LOL
Personally I have replaced a few bolts with Ti. Some from Amazon and torx head some allen. But it wasn’t about weight, it was looks and replacing worn or rusted bolts. My Seven Sola frame has a “Rocker Slide” dropout and I bought those bolts from Paragon Machine Works the makers of the dropout.
I just ordered a full ti kit for my diverge gravel bike. That's every bolt on the entire, fully built bike, brakes, derailleur, stems, everything. The whole kit was sub $200.
The problem of going to titanium is it's strength to weight ratio. It doesn't have high strength to volume . It's different properties. If it's only safe for bottle or bento mount. Even if i want to. I still stick to high strength steel bolt on my stem and bar combo.
@@gu1111 yes, strength to weight is different to strength to Volume. Within the same weight titanium is stronger but metal has different properties. - tensile strength - hardness/toughness - fatigue strength - stiffness Steel is generally harder than titanium for small item. That's why structural material made of steel due to cost, strength , fatigue limit and stiffness. With the same "dimension" steel is stronger. Note dimension. If steel bike and titanium bike has the same dimension of tube. Steel bike will be overly stiff and titanium will be overly flexible. Steel is denser and harder than titanium. But for stem, handle bar and brake rotor bolt i still prefer steel for its strength.
I swapped out all silver colored bolts to Ti black bolts, not for weight savings but for the uniform black appearance. I got them from Better Bolts. If I was super OCD I would have swapped out ALL bolts for Ti oil slick which would have been next level attention to detail.
WolfTooth makes Aluminum bolts. They are lighter, but even weaker than ti. I use em to fill un-used mounts. To get great strength and corrosion prevention, go stainless. Way cheaper than Ti. Ti is about the lightest solution for disk mounts, however. Never use aluminum there; unless for the "shear" sake of science.
That matching oil slick look is hot! But I had to react to this: @1:30 "So it actually cut the weight in half!" Lol, as if the % decrease of the *hardware* weight matters vs. the impact on the overall bike weight -- this is a net change of slightly less than an ounce, something like ~0.3% decrease in overall bike weight.
I don't think the bolt is lighter because it is "titanium". i It is lighter because it is shorter and doesn't have any washer. I bet it wasn't even a real titanium bolt.
You can get them hollow Its roughly 40% lighter In my opinion Not worth it. Mark up is unbelievable an Ti isnt anything exotic in earth's crust. I ve done it because of corrosion resistance. There are shops who sell them fairly cheap avoid ebay, amazon
Harry Lea I don’t disagree , you can save more weight other ways but this was cheapest way I found to replace all your bolts for the least amount of cash.
Titanium bolts are potentially dangerous when mounted on stems or handlebars. They should only be used for areas that are not security relevant. So I'm glad you didn't replace those.
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I changed the bolts on my stems for a Titanium not for weight savings. It's because they don't rust. Love it!
whodoyouwanna yea I don’t have must rusting issues where I live but this is a great point
I live by the beach so yeah thats a big issue
titanium bolts in alloy frame need anti-seized?
This... And they just carry over to the next bike...
only for plugging holes too keep dirt n water out, i used little black nylon screw, waay cheaper n light, managed to save 30g for 35cent
The only read advantage of titanium hardware is none reactive material. Will not corrode. Titanium bolts are substantially weaker than hardened steel.
If you're simply plugging holes or even just mounting normal bottle cages aluminum bolts are even better in terms of $/g saved. That said, larger bolts like the ones used to mount disc calipers (or even cantilevers) are a great application for titanium. Stock cantilever bolts are typically twice as long they need to be anyway.
Agree on Aluminum versus Titanium for noncritical fasteners. And add that for just plugging holes, Polypropylene fasteners are even lighter and cheaper.
I replace steel with grd 4/5 titanium bolts except for my water bottle cages I use aluminium bolt and never lost or snapped one yet 🤞😛
If the bolts in the frame are not in use and are there just to plug the hole you could remove them and add plastic bungs. Cheaper and lighter than titanium
Changed all the bolts on my Aprilia and Moto Guzzi motorcycles. Saved about 3 lbs and the cost was about $2,500 for each bike. Ridiculously expensive but no rust, beautiful machines look on the bolts. Only did it as a challenge, not worth the weight savings
Some high tensile steel shouldn't be changed to Ti alloy. Its rather weakening bike structure. I only did on grade 8 steel and a2s , a4s.
Titanium isn't a replacement for steel
@@Nobody-hk1kz It can be brittle. Drilling it is a nightmare, it can get stuck on aluminum and rip out the threads without the use of anti-seize. There are plenty of negatives for titanium but if you live by the ocean, sometimes a necessary evil. Stainless is another. option but it is softer than Grade 8 steel. Titanium is great material but also very expensive. I did have the option of using Stainless on my bikes and save lots of money but frankly, I didn't care about the cost. Therefore, there's no gain by using titanium, only use it if you like it and money is burning a hole in your pocket, LOL
Personally I have replaced a few bolts with Ti. Some from Amazon and torx head some allen. But it wasn’t about weight, it was looks and replacing worn or rusted bolts. My Seven Sola frame has a “Rocker Slide” dropout and I bought those bolts from Paragon Machine Works the makers of the dropout.
Fit couple in the Philippines yea defiantly helps with any corrosion problems as well
I just ordered a full ti kit for my diverge gravel bike. That's every bolt on the entire, fully built bike, brakes, derailleur, stems, everything. The whole kit was sub $200.
What company did you get them from?
@@LockedinCycling Better Bolts
I'd love to see Tobias (RoJ) on the next virtual meetup with Russ (PLP) and Eric (Spindatt)
Rob B we’ve been reaching out to other cycling TH-camrs to join us on our streams.
@@LockedinCycling ROJ and Dklein joining would be a blast. That would definitely complete the ACN dream team.
That is one hell of a nice tip you’re giving in this video. I just like the way Ty looks thanks for the tip
Moy MacGill haha I’m in the same boat I wanted them to match the paint!
I do it for the color and for the fact that they don’t rust….the bike just looks cooler and more professional to me when the hardware color matches.
Good stuff Champ!! That paint job is awesome!
some bikes have even heavier screws original, your original looks like alloy not steel
The problem of going to titanium is it's strength to weight ratio. It doesn't have high strength to volume . It's different properties. If it's only safe for bottle or bento mount. Even if i want to. I still stick to high strength steel bolt on my stem and bar combo.
Same here. Would never swap my stem bolts. Thats insane
That's simply not true, stop spreading false information. Ti is stronger while being lighter. It's completelysafe!
@@gu1111 yes, strength to weight is different to strength to Volume.
Within the same weight titanium is stronger but metal has different properties.
- tensile strength
- hardness/toughness
- fatigue strength
- stiffness
Steel is generally harder than titanium for small item. That's why structural material made of steel due to cost, strength , fatigue limit and stiffness.
With the same "dimension" steel is stronger. Note dimension. If steel bike and titanium bike has the same dimension of tube.
Steel bike will be overly stiff and titanium will be overly flexible.
Steel is denser and harder than titanium. But for stem, handle bar and brake rotor bolt i still prefer steel for its strength.
@@arifazhari7598 very hepful
titanium bolts in alloy frame need anti-seized?
I don’t care about weight savings they just look cool!
Just received my Better Bolts in oil slick titanium for my Yeti and I’m smiling to the bike trails.
I swapped out all silver colored bolts to Ti black bolts, not for weight savings but for the uniform black appearance.
I got them from Better Bolts.
If I was super OCD I would have swapped out ALL bolts for Ti oil slick which would have been next level attention to detail.
I just ordered the oil slick full build kit from them. It'll be on a midnight blue specialized diverge gravel bike. I'm stoked to get them.
That will look super slick. Excellent match.
What is the thin line 2:34 in your seatstay tube (it's near the bolt)
Kevin Ian Abelita it’s the clear 3m protective tape I put on the frame to protect my bike , I have a video coming out on that soon
Is the thread pitch standardized on all these parts?
if you want to save the weight of the bolts just remove all the onces not in use (rack, 3 pack etc)
Harry Lea true, on my gravel frame I like to keep them plugged to keep dirt outta them if I ever need to use them
WolfTooth makes Aluminum bolts. They are lighter, but even weaker than ti. I use em to fill un-used mounts. To get great strength and corrosion prevention, go stainless. Way cheaper than Ti. Ti is about the lightest solution for disk mounts, however. Never use aluminum there; unless for the "shear" sake of science.
If you just want a bolt to fill a hole I recommend plastic. A positive aspect of having extra bolts is on hand replacement bolts.
how much weight savings we got from changing whole bike bolt sets to titanium, including the groupset bolts? anyone know?
No more than 8g weight savings
What is the usual bolts size for bike caliper?
M6
That matching oil slick look is hot! But I had to react to this:
@1:30 "So it actually cut the weight in half!" Lol, as if the % decrease of the *hardware* weight matters vs. the impact on the overall bike weight -- this is a net change of slightly less than an ounce, something like ~0.3% decrease in overall bike weight.
NIce vid! Appreciate the info!
Offishu happy to help!
check out dangerholm if you like light bikes
I cant see link for bolts on the description 🤔
Road Bike Rider updated ! Thanks for noticing
Are the bolts real titanium?
Yes it does save weight but less then the fart that you could take 20g is max you can save on a bike.
4.5/7.8=57.7%
You reduce weight of your fasteners by 42.3% all else equal.
Hey that’s big gains when it comes to cycling 🤣
How to know my size bolt's
Usually for bikes it’s the Allen head size and bolt length. The thread pitch is usually the same
You came here for the 1:19
I don't think the bolt is lighter because it is "titanium". i
It is lighter because it is shorter and doesn't have any washer. I bet it wasn't even a real titanium bolt.
TI 45% lighter than steel and 60% heavier than aluminum.
@@kalijasin That is true but what I'm pointing out is the bolt that he uses in this video might not even be a real titanium.
Killer info
Bicycling Trucker thanks!
Save even more money and weight by using nylon bolts if you have no intention of using the mounting points.
All the bolts on my bike are titanium because they are just better because they will never introduce rust into your frame
Oh and because they round out like fresh shit😂
You can get them hollow Its roughly 40% lighter In my opinion Not worth it. Mark up is unbelievable an Ti isnt anything exotic in earth's crust.
I ve done it because of corrosion resistance.
There are shops who sell them fairly cheap avoid ebay, amazon
Lets be real... the rider is the easiest piece of hardware to reduce the total weight.
also this isnt the best way to save weight per $ $40 for 30g seems like a lot compared to lighter tyres, casseete etc
Harry Lea I don’t disagree , you can save more weight other ways but this was cheapest way I found to replace all your bolts for the least amount of cash.
@@LockedinCycling fair enough!
Titanium bolts are potentially dangerous when mounted on stems or handlebars. They should only be used for areas that are not security relevant. So I'm glad you didn't replace those.
Just buy them on AliExpress! ...much cheaper and more variants!