When I started the Ketogenic diet back in 2022 I felt terrible I lost a lot of muscle mass as a result and had other issues so I am going to try eating a Wholefoods Plant-based diet.
On the PBD, for the second time, I'm achieving great results. ~5 weeks, 20 pounds. First time, 30 pounds in 2 months. And this was Fuhrman Diet for the week, sliding in weekends. Not exercising, desk job, much like now. Most of the program, I could eat as much as I want. And this had no IF program, but I'm doing this now. I own a house-driven gas bbq for grilling, a fantastic smoker for meats. I love meat. This approach has saved my life, at least once, and I can't say enough to try it out. Oh...and my kitchen gets clean and I save money on buying fruit & veg. Olive oil closure!
@@kyleegarcia5569 try becoming vegan... Almost everyone loses weight with a well planned vegan diet AND KEEPS IT OFF. More importantly, no animal abuse or exploitation required. I used to run a BBQ for a decade, now I'm going on a decade of vegan and feel way better. Plus, I can be in line with my values to not harm animals, which was a daily occurrence at the BBQ
@@MattAngiono I was vegan for over a decade. I get sick every time I go vegan now. I do understand what you mean though. I think it’s malabsorption issues for me now.
I did both but I had to stop doing keto because of my bp rising and cholesterol. Otherwise I felt really good and energized. But I wasn’t eating a lot of fat or meat. The plant based diet lowered my bp and cholesterol and I also felt very good. The plant based diet also helped with my arthritis pain. I’m 69 years old and I’m sticking to a plant based diet in hopes of living a long, Pain free healthy life. It’s a much better option in my opinion.
They'll both lower your diabetes, but the keto will leave you with higher BP and cholesterol levels. Plus it could damage your kidneys. Everytime I tried it (over a month), I felt like crap, and I felt like my kidneys were failing. Yes I consumed more potassium and did all the little tricks. Everytime I'm on a low fat plant-only diet, I lose weight, feel better, and all my numbers drop dramatically. My only problem, is it's so hard to stay away from junk food. I'm not gonna lie, I'll shovel down a Big Mac if I get the chance.
Hahahah it is easy to crave fat. Your doing good make sure your getting omga 3,B12, selenium, iron coming from beet juice mixed lemon juice, eat both dark and leafy for k vitamins and greens contain calcium or calcium coming soy, beans for lysine to absorb calcium, iodine, rich plant sources of zinc plant either one cut onion or garlic which as enzymes to break of iron and also zinc.
I’ve heard that but like everything every diet and body is different and we should always listens to our bodies. Keto definitely sounds like it wasn’t for you ; my own experience has been lowered bp, large weightloss and increased energy but I do a plant based keto diet since I’m vegetarian. I hope you find a way to become the healthiest version of yourself and always listen to your body ❤.
@@engagedgothgirl what's need for dairy? Those animals get abused even worse! You're like 90% of the way there... Just cut out that last little bit 😉 The animals will appreciate it! Especially the moms not having their babies and milk stolen
That’s it, keep moving that goalpost. I’m sure that 50-year metabolic ward study that proves Keto is healthy is just around the corner. Unless, of course, they only count net carbs, then that study is worthless too.
@@megavegan5791 Forgive me for thinking 2 weeks might be insufficient. I guess that's just crazy talk! Yeah, I would give each diet, any diet, a month, minimum. That is if I'm truly interested in metabolic effects of each diet. It doesn't seem that much to ask.
@@TerryLightfoot what you eat affects your body IMMEDIATELY. Significant changes can be observed within half a week. (i.e. when someone goes from a high protein / high fat to a low fat high carb vegan diet, blood pressure and cholesterol usually go to within healthy ranges in 3 days or so…)
Weight loss not for the sake of appearance, but losing excess fat as it compromises every organ and every system of the human body Hence, losing fat is 'healing'
Even I know that study is hopelessly flawed. It is a well known experience that the initial weight loss on Keto is largely water and also the glycogen stores in muscles (hence reduced muscle mass). The body in general takes a couple of weeks to adapt. So, doing it for 2 weeks guarantees the results of which you speak! Clinical experience in general points to consistent weight loss on keto over months and years. Does that mean it is better than plant based? Probably not. But it doesn’t make it worse either! Do you have any studies of people with T2D reversing their condition on WFPB diets? I’d be interested to read one - and not something that lasted just a few weeks. Equally, something that does not simply rely on dramatic weight loss (which we know will make the symptoms of diabetes go away initially). Whether people like it or not, even the world’s diabetes associations are starting to publicly recognize that low carbohydrate diets ‘fix’ diabetes without the need for medication.
Yeah, I think if the only thing you care about is losing weight over a couple months or more, particularly fat, then WFPB seems ideal. Everybody that went WFPB for 2 weeks lost a significant amount of fat and it seems like the weight loss wasn't slowing down, which did seem to be happening with keto. It makes sense since people naturally eat fewer calories on WFPB, so you will reach a lower weight on it. Does it really fix diabetes or just manage symptoms? I'd look at a review "A plant-based diet for the prevention and treatment of type 2 diabetes". There is one randomized clinical trial cited that lasted 3 months and WFPB is shown to be better than a conventional diet people are put on with diabetes. Also, there's such a thing as vegan keto. Since WFPB does better for this comparing similar macro breakdown, I'd presume that WFPB that restricts carbs further would do better while allowing for more carbs in the diet. The name of that study is "Effect of a Brown Rice Based Vegan Diet and Conventional Diabetic Diet on Glycemic Control of Patients with Type 2 Diabetes: A 12-Week Randomized Clinical Trial" and they controlled for the effect of weight loss.
@@Cancellator5000 I think you’ve mis-read what I put. A 2 week ‘trial’ proves absolutely nothing. It is well recognized that adapting to a low carb diet takes at least 2 weeks (often oddly referred to as the ‘keto flu’). Unless these researchers were simply incompetent, then it looks like they created a study where they already knew the outcome rather than doing it properly to incorporate a run in period. Simply disingenuous! Similarly, comparing any diet to a ‘conventional’ diet would probably get better results. However, all the proud WFPB proponents seem happy with an A1C around 6 which I personally would not be happy about. I’ll take a look at that review - however just by the title I suspect it is an ‘opinion’ piece so don’t expect much science beyond a few epidemiological associations. One advantage we diabetics do have is that our reaction to food is super easy to judge (glucose meters are easily available) and so when that ‘heart healthy whole grain’ pushes blood glucose well beyond accepted clinical levels, we can decide either to eat more or not eliminate it (and I know what I choose).
@@TommysPianoCorner Meat is high in nitrogen and will tank your magnesium (needed for a healthy heart) which is why grains are promoted as a heart healthy alternative to animal foods. But they just all have an agenda, eh? The truth is you just want to eat meat regardless if it's healthier or not, so you cast dispersions on the researchers' motives. McDougall, Barnard and Kempner all had 100% reversal of Type 2 Diabetes on these high carbohydrate macro diets, it's not news, this has been known for 100 years.
but what about I can eat carnivore and the next day i know I wil have low blood sugar but vegan i have to eat carbs and maybe in a few weeks it goes back to lower or normal? how would I even feel safe doing this if I wanted to try this? I dont think I want to wake up to 300 blood sugars cause i started eating more veggies and oats and unprocessed carbs?
Ive just being diagnosed with type 2. My grandad and greatgrandad (both parents side) also had type2. My great grandad ate all types of fruit and veg, including all the ones people say dont eat, and he after while kicked type 2. My grandad, again ate all friuts and veg and he kicked type 2. The best part about me grandad was he was an alcoholic. So if he kicked it being an alcoholic but just ate healthy foods then theres hope for all. A friend of mine has type 2 and hes had it for 15 years, no meds or insulin pen. He enjoys pizza, cakes, chocolate and so on but just does it in moderation and has no size effects doing it. Just hang in there and enjoy ur life
I've followed Keto for 4 months and have lowered my glucose numbers but have not lost 1 pound. I don't enjoy the animal fats and the meats. I'm returning to a plant based diet because I enjoy it. Thanks for this video.
How do we know the test subjects at the 70% fat since they ate as much as they wanted if they foods they were getting. Maybe they ate all protein keeping them out of metabolic keto via gluconeogenesis ?
Listened to your previous videos. Bought, read and read again your book. I believed the facts... but this study is the "smoking gun". Thanks for talking and sharing about this study. Excellent video. Thanks for introducing the "lipotoxicity" concept: it encapsulates the trauma well...
How is that possible to lose muscle mass on keto when you're eating lots of protein? When I was on keto and going to fit body bootcamp and they weighed me on the metabolic scale my muscle mass increased tremendously. So I think this study was done to down grade keto
Might metabolic syndrome be caused by a combo of excess saturated fat (esp palmitic acod) and carbs where inflammation/ROS damage cells? If a person goes from a healthy diet to a low-carb, high-fat diet for say a year and then reverts back to the original diet, will he eventually exhibit less, more, or the same level of insulin resistance than if he had stayed on a healthy diet?
no, high carb/low fat is the only way out. The reason is when we eat high fat, our body stashes forever toxins in fat cells and when we eat low fat, the body can clear them out easier. So as long as we’re in this toxic world, low fat is best.
So much information on how to reverse diebties it is overwhelming each one of them have a valid point, it makes my head spinning and so confused who to go with I my self stopped eating processed foods and I don’t eat allot of fats my diet is high on protein tho and doing that not cuz I’m following a diet because I can’t do keto because it is so expensive from where I live and I haven’t venture into the only plant based yet since I’m newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes but it seem I will give it ago in some day if my diet that I’m doing right now failed me tho I’m losing weight in Avery good way from 120kg approximately now I’m at 95kg I like to educate my self even before getting diabetes but the amount of the information about reversing diabetes seem is far more complicated than what I thought they are so many factors to it than just a simple diet. I believe both diets are great and work + low carbs diet it just differ from one person to another because ( gen’s, culture, environment, etc) I think they are to many type 2 diabetes we just didn’t discover this yet But the culprit of them all is fats and how to lose fats. I think it have to do with our gens and our eating habits (what is our fats made off previously) DONT GIVE UP HOPES WORRIERS WE CAN WIN THIS BATTLE My verdict it is all about our microbiaom for now
Lifelong vegetarian here. Never eaten meat in my life. It takes more than two weeks to convert from glucose burning, to fat burning. Ketogenic diet makes you much fuller, particularly if you were insulin resistant. Overtime, over months, the ketogenic diet has the edge in many people with insulin resistance. I can’t change now because I’ve never eaten meat in my life that I don’t like the idea of it, but I’m not going to deny it’s effectiveness
@@heyyou9839 try going vegan because the animals in the dairy industry are abused EVEN WORSE. Think about it. Milk is for the baby that they have to steal from the mother cow.... Then they all end up in the same place to die a horrible death when their bodies are spent.... You're 90% of the way there already!
My opinion is that both low carb and whole plant diets are way better than the standard american diet. Health would be much better long term with both groups. However, I love how people can read a study and cherry pick the findings. Perhaps the biggest finding was that the baseline glycemic index and insulin was considerably higher with the high carb diet. This with healthy late 20s subjects. Do 30 more years of that and see what happens. With the sugar challenge, the folks on low carb will have adapted to some extent to low sugars, so they would not have the machinery in place to deal with a sudden sugar influx. It doesn't really matter if your body deals not so well with sugar if you rarely put sugar into it. Most important is baseline sugar long term. Also baseline triglycerides (a more important risk factor than cholesterol) was lower in the low carb group. My personal experience is that my weight and bp went down with low carb. I have been mostly weight stable for my 60 years, and I went down 15 pounds to what I think is a very good weight. I have seen good success with health markers with those around me who tried it. I see many personal stories of massive (not just water) weight loss in people who probably had a terrible diet for many years. I am doing an experiment with mostly meat and egg consumption and my digestive problems have improved lots compared when I was using lots of high fiber vegies. I also don't eat continually. I eat 2 meals a day only an occasional snack. Since I am older, I am experimenting with fasting as a way to self heal. Notice both vegan and lc approaches use this. I look at stories about those who transition from one diet to another, and mostly I see vegan to low carb. I see a few the other way and acknowledge that for some a whole plant based diet is best suited. I look for countervailing evidence and am open to making changes. This study did not convince me one way or another. I would like to see a similar study using older subjects with type 2 diabetes.
I agree with you on these points. Personally I feel better on a WHOLE food plant based diet with maybe very occasional animal foods (special occasions, just a bit), no snacking with not eating after dinner. Whenever I try eating animal food again daily my bp and cholesterol go up, and I get digestive issues (constipation mostly) and in general am just kind of repulsed by animal foods. I've been both-vegan and omnivore. Spiritually I feel better not eating animals. But health wise, I can't speak for everyone and do not believe one must be vegan to be healthy, that would be a ridiculous thing to say given mankind's history of eating animals for thousands of years.
Well meat also raises one's glucose levels and actually keeps insulin elevated for longer periods than carbs. I've been keto and carnivore, so I speak from personal experience.
I do think its not a one plan fits all. My friend and me both started KETO. He reversed his type2 diabetes and is doing super. I did not do great. Went so constipated and overall felt bad. Went over to WHOLE food plant base diet and I and lost 17kgs so far plus reversed insulin resistance. I feel great and all digestive issues and skin issues cleared up. He is doing great on KETO and I am doing great on WFPBD. Meat, milk and animal fat just does not work for me. So I believe do what works for you.
It would have been interesting to see a third group that ate moderate amounts of both plant an animal food. Furthermore I can add that after eating keto for the past 3 years my BMI went from 36 to 18 so I can't imagine that has all been liquid and muscles that I lost... Studies that only last 2weeks say nothing IMO.
Yes. The idea is that you take out all added fats and increase your intake of whole grains, fruits and vegetables. It is the fat in animal products and added oils that is causing your overweight.
Not sure how the name of the food group is related with being overweight or not. Stay in caloric defict and eat un-processed foods, eliminate sugar and you will be fine.
I was skinny fat on Keto. The cellulite was awful. Since going plant-based, within a few weeks, the cellulite is going away. My fat cells were full and they are now depleting. Thank goodness!!
That’s what I noticed as well . I did keto and lost weight but my body had a lot of cellulite . Now I’m raw vegan or plant based and the cellulite is vanishing . And I noticed a difference in like a week after going plant based . I swear by . I was raised vegan and got sick going to a diet that included meats etc
@@kyleegarcia5569 I only eat from Plantiful Kiki's cookbooks. I have a couple of them now. I especially love "Plantifully Lean". It teaches you how to eat to lose weight with high volume foods. It's the best food I've ever had for weightloss!
The study showed the weight loss was from water and muscle on keto. Most people only lose that up front on keto and then have to restrict further to see further results, such as eating one meal a day, etc. So you're not losing fat on keto, just water and then through further calorie restriction, you might finally lose some fat, but you can restrict on any diet to lose weight, doesn't have to be keto. Can you follow?
you knooooooooow??? keto says muscle on keto, you say muscle on vegan, and i can't go on either diet coz of severe hunger and cravings on both, i need carbs and fat and protein, and there's nothing i can do about it
So is plant base fat ok to have. Like I make a smoothie every morning for breakfast which contains hemps seeds hearts, frozen fruit, and almond milk. Or just cut fat all the around.
Yes! Fat is healthy - you don’t need to go on an extreme low fat diet unless that works for you. This MD diet is for people that have impaired insulin sensitivity but the science says if you lose enough weight to lose visceral fat which varies you can eat a balanced diet. I think low fat is recommended because it helps people eat more without tracking but the science is very clear that mono and polyunsaturated fats are beneficial.
It makes me crazy how people want to take an already restricted diet (plant based) and make it even more restrictive without the solid science to back it up.
Yes, natural fats are fine to maintain any weight loss. However, in order to lose weight, added "healthy" oils, nuts and seeds, and avocados should be used seldom. Esselstein has a pyramid chart on foods to avoid for weight loss.
Can you do a video about Lectins and your view on Stephen Gundry's book The Keto Code / Plant Paradox? In the Keto Code he backtracks a little on recommending low carb, citing an intermittent fasting study that showed it didn't matter so much what you ate, more when you ate it BUT there us still the issue of lectins and their effect on those with autoimmune conditions.
Should we worry about phytates and oxalates? Besides diabetes bone health is very important do phytates and oxalates from plant foods prevent the absorption of healthy bone building minerals? This is been very worrisome to me I love plant foods but I'm scared if it's bad for bones in the form of preventing nutrient absorption 😥
There’s definitely some confusing info about those chemical compounds, but in general, high quantities of those chemicals are mostly found in grains and legumes. You could try to limit or avoid those types of foods, and incorporate more fruit and non-grain starchy vegetables (potatoes, 🥕, etc.). Hope this helps! 🙏🏽💚
@@papibeto3556 oh no but I mostly eat grains and beans lentils along with fruits and veggies but I don't eat potatoes because they make me sleepy 🙂, what about nuts and seeds? If I eliminated grains and legumes I don't know what to replace them with I'm struggling to be healthy but also help strengthen my bones
Phytates actually have some benefits and might not be a problem if you eat over the RDA for zinc and other minerals or you test and if you are low you can look into supplements but oxalates have no benefits- if you don’t have a history of kidney stones you may not need to worry much but the foods that are ones to limit are spinach beet greens and chard - you can still eat them but I wouldn’t put them in a smoothie and wouldn’t eat them a ton - kale and collards and broccoli are all relatively low and for grains oats are really low in oxalate - you can find all kinds of food lists on line and drive yourself crazy but the ones I listed above are the heavy hitters you are likely to run into
@@daysoftheboo I’ve personally experienced much success with alkaline nuts and seeds, like almonds, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds, etc. Almonds in particular would help with your bones! Also, look into John Rose’s channel for his wise take on this. 🙂
@@papibeto3556 John Rose that name sounds familiar I'll check it out, do you soak your nuts and seeds overnight or a few days ahead before you eat them? That's what I do I soak them for a few days in the fridge in a container but is it really necessary to soak nuts and seeds? It's funny when I was a kid I never thought about this stuff I would just eat nuts and seeds not have to worry about oxalates and phytates but maybe there wasn't awareness back then, yeah that's what I've been recommended to eat almonds walnuts pumpkin seeds and sunflower seeds for bone health and prunes and apricots are supposed to be good for bone health too at least I hope they are that's what I've been told
True Keto diet was created for people suffering with seizures, not for weight loss. The way people eat "keto" right now is not the proper way. But to each their own.
I actually lose weight faster than a pound a week. I frequently can lose a pound every two days when I eat raw lowfat plant-based and using my blood sugars as a guide as to when I eat.
how do you use your blood glucose as a guide? i am starting to doing the same like i was thinking to not eat if my blood glucose is above 100mg/dl. can you explain how you did?
I’ve been on wfpb since 2020 and I gain weight and now pre diabetes…w.t.h. ! Maybe it’s not for everyone. I’m careful on what I eat and exercise every day at least 2 h , i want to give up 😢
Try The Mayo Clinic Diabetes Diet book written by Donald Hensrud. I lost weight by following the advice in this book. The book recommends whole grains and not processed grains. It also recommends a serving of fruit and nonstarchy vegetables with every meal and to count calories and how to count calories with each meal. Love this book. Also, can be vegetarian or vegan and follow this diet.
Even if a T2D is not vegan, they still need some high quality carbs if they workout because the muscles will crave it or those muscles are going to simply fizzle out.
if only they did this same thing and includes keto vs vegan vs carnivore. how do you get the needed nutrient's from 600 calories of plants we know they don't have the density of meat?
What needed nutrients? The body needs macros: fats, carbs and protein all of which exist in starch and other plant foods. The extra nutrient nitrogen in meat can actually have a negative effect on nutrients by burning up excess magnesium which is why heart problems follow high meat diets. Magnesium is needed for heart health. Plants don't burn up other nutrients like that, hence why they are heart healthy.
You will only lose weight on keto in the long term if you do intermittent fasting. Other than that your weight loss will STALL OUT after the first week!
Maybe its me, but to control weight on keto is sometimes mission impossible even with one meal per day. Fats are so calloric dense - nuts, avocado's, olives and olive oil, diary, etc. You can easily eat +1000cal overbord - take some nuts, some cheese and thats it.
@@ZmogusJaponija I am currently trying the Kempner rice and fruit diet for health and weight loss. I am a type 2 diabetic with lots of issues so I saw all of its benefits and decided to give it a go!
It kind of nonsense that testing for 2 weeks is meaningful and is this typically how people actually do keto. And in about 6 months i clearly lost a lot of fat. And really keto works best with intermittent fasting. And typically this is the kind of study you see so bias is clearly an issue.
That’s the dumbest study. What if one person only ate 1200 calories and another ate 2800? What if someone was 100lbs and the other 200? That “study” is invalid! That not how they work. That’s more of an observation
Well said 👍🏼 It’s like saying I didn’t brush my teeth for 2 weeks and I didn’t develop any cavities during that time therefore brushing my teeth is of zero benefit to my oral hygiene.
Gluconeogenesis is the process of synthesizing glucose in the body from non-carbohydrate precursors. It is the biosynthesis of new glucose, not derived from the consumption of carbohydrate. Glucose can be produced from lactate, pyruvate, glycerol (fat), and certain amino acids (protein).
People who are actually knowledgeable about the keto diet are not recommending 75% fat. That is a big misconception about keto, that it needs to be a low carb high fat diet. The whole point is to put your body in a state of ketosis which forces it to use stored body fat for fuel instead of glucose. You are not suppose to be eating copious amounts of fat, which is calorie dense, because you would be giving your body too much fuel, and that defeats the point. Also nobody is saying the fat in the diet needs to be saturated fat from animal sources, it does not. Mono and poly unsaturated fats work just fine, but you actually need more protein than fat. All in all you still need to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. As far as carbs... carbs are not the enemy, high glycemic foods are. You need the fiber and can eat plenty of plants with low net carbs. Keto is useful for losing excess body fat and/or reversing insulin resistance, but people are not suppose to live in ketosis. It is something the body needs to cycle in and out of. As natural animals we would sometimes find food and sometimes not. Ketosis is the mechanism by which we survive when there is no food available. But in modern society we depend on corporations to manufacture food for us and pack the store shelves, and this is mostly very poor quality processed foods, and it is available 24/7, so nobody has to go without food, which is not the way our bodies were designed to work.
Humans are not animals, we need a highly selective diet to thrive, unlike horses, lions etc. Ketosis is a starvation crisis mode that creates high stress hormones like cortisol which ultimately raise blood sugar levels. It was never meant to be used for weight loss nor is it needed for that.
@@riceisnice444 The opinion you believe in doesn’t worth a single grain of salt. You don’t even understand what that stupid test means. It’s a standard, it’s not gold, it worth as much as a grain of salt, just little more than your opinion.
@@LittleRadicalThinker Are you familiar with the father of Type 2 Diabetes, Sir Harold Himsworth? He coined terms like insulin sensitive and insulin resistance. He showed that carbs are tolerated again when dealing with insulin resistance after a few days on a high carb/low fat diet in his clinical work in 1939. The OGTT is the gold standard for measuring the tolerance of carbs and how they spike blood sugar in the presence of intracellular fat induced Insulin Resistance. Even Shawn Baker failed his OGTT as all long term ketovores would. Many keto influencers openly admit to taking the T2D drug Metformin like Dave Asprey and Robert Lustig just to name two well known ones.
@@riceisnice444 What is the point to do a test for a substance that you should not even put into your mouth? Your body should not even eat a single gram of carbohydrates. Of course Shawn Baker will fail the test, in fact it’s a surprise if he doesn’t fail it. That’s exactly how your body should work. And why the H with the dead doctor’s opinion matter? That’s his opinion. Is he a god so that his opinion matters?
Nonsense, triacylglcerol and fatty liver disease significantly improved just on the ketogenic diet, look up the PUEE study and the consensus report if the ADA, it's also easy to prove in the daily clinical practice.... We have no experience with carnivore reports...
Oh it means whatever RIP Sara , dr Westman and Virta health did and are doing is wrong and potentially dangerous. So confusing no wonder people just give up.
Glucose intolerance and insulin resistance are not the same thing. The ketogenic diet does not cause insulin resistance. It causes glucose intolerance. There is a difference. Tolerance to something you don't consume is irrelevant. Consumption of glucose eight hours before the intolerance test fixes the issue of the test. It isn't insulin resistance,
@@riceisnice444 Insulin resistance is glucose intolerance, but that does NOT make glucose intolerance necessarily insulin resistance. Those on keto are glucose intolerant because their insulin is low, not because they are resistant to it. Insulin resistance is HIGH insulin, not low.
@@JasonBuckman I see where you're going with that, and while I can agree their insulin is low, the mechanism of insulin resistance is mechanical. The insulin receptors are blocked by intracellular fat, and the insulin is paralyzed, unable to escort the glucose into the cell. The intracellular fat has been documented on an MRI and researchers can monitor the progress of the cell becoming free of that fat in a matter of days on high carb/low fat diets. Glucose intolerance is the result of fat induced intracellular insulin resistance because the blood sugar will spike and stay high if it can't get into the cells.
@@riceisnice444 What you are talking about it from being in a calorie surplus and storing bodyfat. That isn't from keto or the consumption dietary fat. That's from the consumption of too many calories. Yes, hypercalories causes insulin resistance. Fasting does the same thing. If you fast for three days before doing an OGTT test, you will fail. That isn't from fat blocking the in insulin receptor. You're fasting, you haven't eaten anything. If you consume glucose within 8 hours of the test, that will "prime the pump" and tell your beta cells you need insulin because carbs are coming in. You will then pass the test. On a diet high in carbs, your beta cells stores insulin. On keto, they don't. The lack of stored insulin is what makes someone who is on an extended fast or on a ketogenic diet fail the test. Their pancreas isn't ready for the glucose.
Everyone claim the same benefits of their diets while being talking down about the other diets.. people need to start act like adults and be respectful and admit that one size doesn’t fit all.. all pointless
That test does not make any sense, is like train for a marathon and then try to pass a strenght test, its called adaptation. Lets try this , get a guy on ketosis any plant based guy, and make them run on just after eating fat, and see who fail tthe test
You'd be surprised. I ran a BBQ for a decade and thought the same, but now I've been vegan for almost a decade and feel way better. Enjoy my meals just as much with no meat. The substitutes are damn good these days, far better than when I started.
At least you're honest. I appreciate that instead of the ones who come in to try to debunk this good research. Try impossible burgers and bratwursts, they are very good.
@@riceisnice444 making some cashew queso this very moment! Made homegrown pesto and chimichurri last night with my tempeh tacos. Who needs meat? Sad answer: Only people who don't care about animal abuse and exploitation
But did you try a high carbohydrate starch based diet with no oil? That is what is being discussed in the study, not a "vegan" diet which doesn't really exist beyond an ethical decision, tbh.
Can't beat a healthy keto diet. BP down, Blood sugar down, cholesterol down. People don't realise that you need to eat a lot of vegetables as well on keto. I put weight on, on plant based.
@@PrideofJefferson definitely, from all the high nitrogen meat foods which tank heart healthy magnesium. I've had two friends now have heart attacks from going keto, and one online friend who lost her ability to walk on it.
@@riceisnice444 Yeah sure, there were plenty of fruit during the paleolitic ice age and all key required nutrients for humans are in fruits: B12, proteins, cholesterol, omega3,... good luck!
@@DanielFernandez-h3l Sadly you don't know that bananas are 5% fat and all foods contain protein except oil and other overt fats like lard, including fruit. There is no such thing as protein deficiency in the Western World. Meat eaters have a higher rate of B12 deficiency than vegans, which should be made in a healthy gut. It is bacteria poop, so not really a flex that your animal food has it in abundance. We were made for tropical environments, maybe you don't know that. Our physiology: teeth, stomach, digestive tract, etc. is closest to the great apes who are fruigivores. Notice I didn't say fruitarians, there's a difference.
The residual fat in bananas is not cholesterol. There’s no cholesterol in plants. The same for proteins, the little amount in bananas is not bioavailable for humans. If there is no protein deficiency it may be because they eat meat (deficiency defined by who and in base to what BTW…) Vegans have high B12 because they take pills. Stop the pills and they die. Tropical environment? So how do we survive the ice age and how Inuits live in the north pole? Our body and metabolism is designed to digest fat and protein only. You look like an ape because we come from the apes, sure, but we evolved to carnivore many millions of years ago. Just look at the fossil analysis, it’s that simple. By frugivore and not fruitarian you mean that we must eat fruit and meat? So is it possible that humans can survive only eating meat but they can’t survive eating only fruit? That’s the definition of a carnivore animal. Quite obvious isn't it?
When I started the Ketogenic diet back in 2022 I felt terrible I lost a lot of muscle mass as a result and had other issues so I am going to try eating a Wholefoods Plant-based diet.
On the PBD, for the second time, I'm achieving great results. ~5 weeks, 20 pounds. First time, 30 pounds in 2 months. And this was Fuhrman Diet for the week, sliding in weekends. Not exercising, desk job, much like now. Most of the program, I could eat as much as I want. And this had no IF program, but I'm doing this now. I own a house-driven gas bbq for grilling, a fantastic smoker for meats. I love meat. This approach has saved my life, at least once, and I can't say enough to try it out. Oh...and my kitchen gets clean and I save money on buying fruit & veg. Olive oil closure!
What exactly are you eating!? I need to lose weight so bad and I’m just overwhelmed with trying to determine my meals!
@@kyleegarcia5569 try becoming vegan...
Almost everyone loses weight with a well planned vegan diet AND KEEPS IT OFF.
More importantly, no animal abuse or exploitation required.
I used to run a BBQ for a decade, now I'm going on a decade of vegan and feel way better.
Plus, I can be in line with my values to not harm animals, which was a daily occurrence at the BBQ
@@MattAngiono I was vegan for over a decade. I get sick every time I go vegan now. I do understand what you mean though. I think it’s malabsorption issues for me now.
@@kyleegarcia5569 maybe a good probiotic could help with absorption....
There's a company called SEED, I think, that I've been wanting to try
Another fantastic video! I'm binging on this channel since I found it. Thank you all!!!😊
Hi. How long time does it usually take to clear out the excess fat in the cells?
A couple months was my experience.
Any fast will lose water, for me it is 5 pounds. I think grains tend retain more water than other plant based foods.
I did both but I had to stop doing keto because of my bp rising and cholesterol. Otherwise I felt really good and energized. But I wasn’t eating a lot of fat or meat. The plant based diet lowered my bp and cholesterol and I also felt very good. The plant based diet also helped with my arthritis pain. I’m 69 years old and I’m sticking to a plant based diet in hopes of living a long, Pain free healthy life. It’s a much better option in my opinion.
This is fascinating! I am starting on this plant based journey. What did you typically eat in a day?
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I do plant based too. It is cheap. Variety of beans and peas.
Raising you cholesterol is actually good for you health.
Great testimony! Hope you're still doing well!
They'll both lower your diabetes, but the keto will leave you with higher BP and cholesterol levels. Plus it could damage your kidneys. Everytime I tried it (over a month), I felt like crap, and I felt like my kidneys were failing. Yes I consumed more potassium and did all the little tricks.
Everytime I'm on a low fat plant-only diet, I lose weight, feel better, and all my numbers drop dramatically. My only problem, is it's so hard to stay away from junk food. I'm not gonna lie, I'll shovel down a Big Mac if I get the chance.
Hahahah it is easy to crave fat. Your doing good make sure your getting omga 3,B12, selenium, iron coming from beet juice mixed lemon juice, eat both dark and leafy for k vitamins and greens contain calcium or calcium coming soy, beans for lysine to absorb calcium, iodine, rich plant sources of zinc plant either one cut onion or garlic which as enzymes to break of iron and also zinc.
I’ve heard that but like everything every diet and body is different and we should always listens to our bodies. Keto definitely sounds like it wasn’t for you ; my own experience has been lowered bp, large weightloss and increased energy but I do a plant based keto diet since I’m vegetarian. I hope you find a way to become the healthiest version of yourself and always listen to your body ❤.
@@engagedgothgirl what's need for dairy?
Those animals get abused even worse!
You're like 90% of the way there...
Just cut out that last little bit 😉
The animals will appreciate it!
Especially the moms not having their babies and milk stolen
This video is a powerful explanation, especially for the new comers. Well done !
2 weeks seems too short a test for the body to really get going on either of these diets to do a proper test, but ok.
That’s it, keep moving that goalpost. I’m sure that 50-year metabolic ward study that proves Keto is healthy is just around the corner. Unless, of course, they only count net carbs, then that study is worthless too.
I hated keto when I was on it but you are right - a month or two would be better - this study doesn’t really prove much
@@megavegan5791 Forgive me for thinking 2 weeks might be insufficient. I guess that's just crazy talk!
Yeah, I would give each diet, any diet, a month, minimum. That is if I'm truly interested in metabolic effects of each diet. It doesn't seem that much to ask.
@@TerryLightfoot what you eat affects your body IMMEDIATELY. Significant changes can be observed within half a week. (i.e. when someone goes from a high protein / high fat to a low fat high carb vegan diet, blood pressure and cholesterol usually go to within healthy ranges in 3 days or so…)
That guy shaved his eyebrows, is he ok?
Gosh, it seems as if the MAIN motivating factor regarding any kind of diet is weight loss! I want to hear about healing & nutrition.
Weight loss not for the sake of appearance, but losing excess fat as it compromises every organ and every system of the human body Hence, losing fat is 'healing'
Me too
@@brianmurphy5313 indeed, but it seems to indicate that most of us are overweight.
Well said!! Health is keeping the fat off the internal organs so they can properly function!!
Even I know that study is hopelessly flawed. It is a well known experience that the initial weight loss on Keto is largely water and also the glycogen stores in muscles (hence reduced muscle mass). The body in general takes a couple of weeks to adapt. So, doing it for 2 weeks guarantees the results of which you speak!
Clinical experience in general points to consistent weight loss on keto over months and years. Does that mean it is better than plant based? Probably not. But it doesn’t make it worse either!
Do you have any studies of people with T2D reversing their condition on WFPB diets? I’d be interested to read one - and not something that lasted just a few weeks.
Equally, something that does not simply rely on dramatic weight loss (which we know will make the symptoms of diabetes go away initially).
Whether people like it or not, even the world’s diabetes associations are starting to publicly recognize that low carbohydrate diets ‘fix’ diabetes without the need for medication.
Yeah, I think if the only thing you care about is losing weight over a couple months or more, particularly fat, then WFPB seems ideal. Everybody that went WFPB for 2 weeks lost a significant amount of fat and it seems like the weight loss wasn't slowing down, which did seem to be happening with keto. It makes sense since people naturally eat fewer calories on WFPB, so you will reach a lower weight on it. Does it really fix diabetes or just manage symptoms? I'd look at a review "A plant-based diet for the prevention and treatment of type 2 diabetes". There is one randomized clinical trial cited that lasted 3 months and WFPB is shown to be better than a conventional diet people are put on with diabetes. Also, there's such a thing as vegan keto. Since WFPB does better for this comparing similar macro breakdown, I'd presume that WFPB that restricts carbs further would do better while allowing for more carbs in the diet. The name of that study is "Effect of a Brown Rice Based Vegan Diet and Conventional Diabetic Diet on Glycemic Control of Patients with Type 2 Diabetes: A 12-Week Randomized Clinical Trial" and they controlled for the effect of weight loss.
@@Cancellator5000 I think you’ve mis-read what I put. A 2 week ‘trial’ proves absolutely nothing. It is well recognized that adapting to a low carb diet takes at least 2 weeks (often oddly referred to as the ‘keto flu’). Unless these researchers were simply incompetent, then it looks like they created a study where they already knew the outcome rather than doing it properly to incorporate a run in period. Simply disingenuous!
Similarly, comparing any diet to a ‘conventional’ diet would probably get better results. However, all the proud WFPB proponents seem happy with an A1C around 6 which I personally would not be happy about. I’ll take a look at that review - however just by the title I suspect it is an ‘opinion’ piece so don’t expect much science beyond a few epidemiological associations.
One advantage we diabetics do have is that our reaction to food is super easy to judge (glucose meters are easily available) and so when that ‘heart healthy whole grain’ pushes blood glucose well beyond accepted clinical levels, we can decide either to eat more or not eliminate it (and I know what I choose).
@@TommysPianoCorner Meat is high in nitrogen and will tank your magnesium (needed for a healthy heart) which is why grains are promoted as a heart healthy alternative to animal foods. But they just all have an agenda, eh?
The truth is you just want to eat meat regardless if it's healthier or not, so you cast dispersions on the researchers' motives.
McDougall, Barnard and Kempner all had 100% reversal of Type 2 Diabetes on these high carbohydrate macro diets, it's not news, this has been known for 100 years.
but what about I can eat carnivore and the next day i know I wil have low blood sugar but vegan i have to eat carbs and maybe in a few weeks it goes back to lower or normal? how would I even feel safe doing this if I wanted to try this? I dont think I want to wake up to 300 blood sugars cause i started eating more veggies and oats and unprocessed carbs?
Ive just being diagnosed with type 2. My grandad and greatgrandad (both parents side) also had type2. My great grandad ate all types of fruit and veg, including all the ones people say dont eat, and he after while kicked type 2. My grandad, again ate all friuts and veg and he kicked type 2. The best part about me grandad was he was an alcoholic. So if he kicked it being an alcoholic but just ate healthy foods then theres hope for all. A friend of mine has type 2 and hes had it for 15 years, no meds or insulin pen. He enjoys pizza, cakes, chocolate and so on but just does it in moderation and has no size effects doing it. Just hang in there and enjoy ur life
I've followed Keto for 4 months and have lowered my glucose numbers but have not lost 1 pound. I don't enjoy the animal fats and the meats. I'm returning to a plant based diet because I enjoy it. Thanks for this video.
Same!!! I actually eat more trash on keto because of no fruit
thanks
@@she-sheroc1573 thats your weakness. Vegan diet can also be trash, like refined pastry or processed vegan prepackaged food
Excellent. Fundamentally important. Thanks, Cyrus, Robbie, and Will.
How do we know the test subjects at the 70% fat since they ate as much as they wanted if they foods they were getting. Maybe they ate all protein keeping them out of metabolic keto via gluconeogenesis ?
to be fair, it doesn't have to be saturated fat. Is that not correct?
“Clear up traffic jam”.. How? Can you tag me in this video
Listened to your previous videos. Bought, read and read again your book. I believed the facts... but this study is the "smoking gun". Thanks for talking and sharing about this study. Excellent video. Thanks for introducing the "lipotoxicity" concept: it encapsulates the trauma well...
How is that possible to lose muscle mass on keto when you're eating lots of protein? When I was on keto and going to fit body bootcamp and they weighed me on the metabolic scale my muscle mass increased tremendously. So I think this study was done to down grade keto
muscle retention isn't great on the keto diet this is well documented.
Great analogy with the knee pain illustration.
Might metabolic syndrome be caused by a combo of excess saturated fat (esp palmitic acod) and carbs where inflammation/ROS damage cells? If a person goes from a healthy diet to a low-carb, high-fat diet for say a year and then reverts back to the original diet, will he eventually exhibit less, more, or the same level of insulin resistance than if he had stayed on a healthy diet?
no, high carb/low fat is the only way out. The reason is when we eat high fat, our body stashes forever toxins in fat cells and when we eat low fat, the body can clear them out easier. So as long as we’re in this toxic world, low fat is best.
How can I clear out the “traffic jam inside the tissues and liver”?
Fasting
So much information on how to reverse diebties it is overwhelming each one of them have a valid point, it makes my head spinning and so confused who to go with I my self stopped eating processed foods and I don’t eat allot of fats my diet is high on protein tho and doing that not cuz I’m following a diet because I can’t do keto because it is so expensive from where I live and I haven’t venture into the only plant based yet since I’m newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes but it seem I will give it ago in some day if my diet that I’m doing right now failed me tho I’m losing weight in Avery good way from 120kg approximately now I’m at 95kg
I like to educate my self even before getting diabetes but the amount of the information about reversing diabetes seem is far more complicated than what I thought they are so many factors to it than just a simple diet.
I believe both diets are great and work + low carbs diet it just differ from one person to another because ( gen’s, culture, environment, etc) I think they are to many type 2 diabetes we just didn’t discover this yet
But the culprit of them all is fats and how to lose fats. I think it have to do with our gens and our eating habits (what is our fats made off previously)
DONT GIVE UP HOPES WORRIERS WE CAN WIN THIS BATTLE
My verdict it is all about our microbiaom for now
Great test. Two weeks is just the amount of time that body is in distress from change.
Then why the body is not in distress on the plant based diet?
Is this way of eating, does the body every switch to fat burning mode (ie during the night or 36 hr fast)?
Good question!
Lifelong vegetarian here. Never eaten meat in my life. It takes more than two weeks to convert from glucose burning, to fat burning. Ketogenic diet makes you much fuller, particularly if you were insulin resistant. Overtime, over months, the ketogenic diet has the edge in many people with insulin resistance. I can’t change now because I’ve never eaten meat in my life that I don’t like the idea of it, but I’m not going to deny it’s effectiveness
Try plant based keto, join me. I eat lot of legumes.
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@@heyyou9839 try going vegan because the animals in the dairy industry are abused EVEN WORSE.
Think about it.
Milk is for the baby that they have to steal from the mother cow....
Then they all end up in the same place to die a horrible death when their bodies are spent....
You're 90% of the way there already!
My opinion is that both low carb and whole plant diets are way better than the standard american diet. Health would be much better long term with both groups.
However, I love how people can read a study and cherry pick the findings. Perhaps the biggest finding was that the baseline glycemic index and insulin was considerably higher with the high carb diet. This with healthy late 20s subjects. Do 30 more years of that and see what happens.
With the sugar challenge, the folks on low carb will have adapted to some extent to low sugars, so they would not have the machinery in place to deal with a sudden sugar influx. It doesn't really matter if your body deals not so well with sugar if you rarely put sugar into it. Most important is baseline sugar long term.
Also baseline triglycerides (a more important risk factor than cholesterol) was lower in the low carb group.
My personal experience is that my weight and bp went down with low carb. I have been mostly weight stable for my 60 years, and I went down 15 pounds to what I think is a very good weight. I have seen good success with health markers with those around me who tried it. I see many personal stories of massive (not just water) weight loss in people who probably had a terrible diet for many years. I am doing an experiment with mostly meat and egg consumption and my digestive problems have improved lots compared when I was using lots of high fiber vegies. I also don't eat continually. I eat 2 meals a day only an occasional snack. Since I am older, I am experimenting with fasting as a way to self heal. Notice both vegan and lc approaches use this.
I look at stories about those who transition from one diet to another, and mostly I see vegan to low carb. I see a few the other way and acknowledge that for some a whole plant based diet is best suited. I look for countervailing evidence and am open to making changes. This study did not convince me one way or another.
I would like to see a similar study using older subjects with type 2 diabetes.
I agree with you on these points. Personally I feel better on a WHOLE food plant based diet with maybe very occasional animal foods (special occasions, just a bit), no snacking with not eating after dinner. Whenever I try eating animal food again daily my bp and cholesterol go up, and I get digestive issues (constipation mostly) and in general am just kind of repulsed by animal foods. I've been both-vegan and omnivore. Spiritually I feel better not eating animals. But health wise, I can't speak for everyone and do not believe one must be vegan to be healthy, that would be a ridiculous thing to say given mankind's history of eating animals for thousands of years.
Well meat also raises one's glucose levels and actually keeps insulin elevated for longer periods than carbs. I've been keto and carnivore, so I speak from personal experience.
I do think its not a one plan fits all. My friend and me both started KETO. He reversed his type2 diabetes and is doing super. I did not do great. Went so constipated and overall felt bad. Went over to WHOLE food plant base diet and I and lost 17kgs so far plus reversed insulin resistance. I feel great and all digestive issues and skin issues cleared up. He is doing great on KETO and I am doing great on WFPBD. Meat, milk and animal fat just does not work for me. So I believe do what works for you.
This study was high carb vs. low carb, not vegan vs. low carb. Big difference.
It would have been interesting to see a third group that ate moderate amounts of both plant an animal food. Furthermore I can add that after eating keto for the past 3 years my BMI went from 36 to 18 so I can't imagine that has all been liquid and muscles that I lost... Studies that only last 2weeks say nothing IMO.
It would be unethical to do a longer study because of the adverse heart events so common among low carbers.
Excellent video 👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
So can someone tell me if I can eat potatoes and bananas if I start this plant based thing if I’m over weight?
Yes. The idea is that you take out all added fats and increase your intake of whole grains, fruits and vegetables. It is the fat in animal products and added oils that is causing your overweight.
Yes, but you MUST keep fat VERY LOW
Not sure how the name of the food group is related with being overweight or not. Stay in caloric defict and eat un-processed foods, eliminate sugar and you will be fine.
@@techidna-h9t excess fat/oil. If you burning 3000 cal and eating 2000 cal high fat diet, you will lose weight.
Just like Dr. McDougall says, "The fat you eat is the fat you wear" or in this case, the fat you don't eat is the fat you don't wear. 😅
I was skinny fat on Keto. The cellulite was awful. Since going plant-based, within a few weeks, the cellulite is going away. My fat cells were full and they are now depleting. Thank goodness!!
That’s what I noticed as well . I did keto and lost weight but my body had a lot of cellulite . Now I’m raw vegan or plant based and the cellulite is vanishing . And I noticed a difference in like a week after going plant based . I swear by . I was raised vegan and got sick going to a diet that included meats etc
Please tell me what your meals are like? The basics! I need to go back to plant based to lose weight but I’m struggling!
@@kyleegarcia5569 I only eat from Plantiful Kiki's cookbooks. I have a couple of them now. I especially love "Plantifully Lean". It teaches you how to eat to lose weight with high volume foods. It's the best food I've ever had for weightloss!
@@tiggs7139As a raw vegan,how do you eat beans?Do you just eat the canned beans? What about grains like brown rice,Quinoa,how do you eat those?
What was the washout period?
So after years of eating one way... you expect to become fat adapted in two weeks??
The study showed the weight loss was from water and muscle on keto. Most people only lose that up front on keto and then have to restrict further to see further results, such as eating one meal a day, etc. So you're not losing fat on keto, just water and then through further calorie restriction, you might finally lose some fat, but you can restrict on any diet to lose weight, doesn't have to be keto. Can you follow?
you knooooooooow??? keto says muscle on keto, you say muscle on vegan, and i can't go on either diet coz of severe hunger and cravings on both, i need carbs and fat and protein, and there's nothing i can do about it
So is plant base fat ok to have. Like I make a smoothie every morning for breakfast which contains hemps seeds hearts, frozen fruit, and almond milk. Or just cut fat all the around.
Yes! Fat is healthy - you don’t need to go on an extreme low fat diet unless that works for you. This MD diet is for people that have impaired insulin sensitivity but the science says if you lose enough weight to lose visceral fat which varies you can eat a balanced diet. I think low fat is recommended because it helps people eat more without tracking but the science is very clear that mono and polyunsaturated fats are beneficial.
It makes me crazy how people want to take an already restricted diet (plant based) and make it even more restrictive without the solid science to back it up.
Yes, natural fats are fine to maintain any weight loss. However, in order to lose weight, added "healthy" oils, nuts and seeds, and avocados should be used seldom. Esselstein has a pyramid chart on foods to avoid for weight loss.
Can you do a video about Lectins and your view on Stephen Gundry's book The Keto Code / Plant Paradox? In the Keto Code he backtracks a little on recommending low carb, citing an intermittent fasting study that showed it didn't matter so much what you ate, more when you ate it BUT there us still the issue of lectins and their effect on those with autoimmune conditions.
Plant paradox is total horseshit
That guy was just selling us something...
Don't listen to his lectin fear mongering
Should we worry about phytates and oxalates? Besides diabetes bone health is very important do phytates and oxalates from plant foods prevent the absorption of healthy bone building minerals? This is been very worrisome to me I love plant foods but I'm scared if it's bad for bones in the form of preventing nutrient absorption 😥
There’s definitely some confusing info about those chemical compounds, but in general, high quantities of those chemicals are mostly found in grains and legumes. You could try to limit or avoid those types of foods, and incorporate more fruit and non-grain starchy vegetables (potatoes, 🥕, etc.). Hope this helps! 🙏🏽💚
@@papibeto3556 oh no but I mostly eat grains and beans lentils along with fruits and veggies but I don't eat potatoes because they make me sleepy 🙂, what about nuts and seeds? If I eliminated grains and legumes I don't know what to replace them with I'm struggling to be healthy but also help strengthen my bones
Phytates actually have some benefits and might not be a problem if you eat over the RDA for zinc and other minerals or you test and if you are low you can look into supplements but oxalates have no benefits- if you don’t have a history of kidney stones you may not need to worry much but the foods that are ones to limit are spinach beet greens and chard - you can still eat them but I wouldn’t put them in a smoothie and wouldn’t eat them a ton - kale and collards and broccoli are all relatively low and for grains oats are really low in oxalate - you can find all kinds of food lists on line and drive yourself crazy but the ones I listed above are the heavy hitters you are likely to run into
@@daysoftheboo I’ve personally experienced much success with alkaline nuts and seeds, like almonds, pumpkin seeds, sunflower seeds, etc. Almonds in particular would help with your bones! Also, look into John Rose’s channel for his wise take on this. 🙂
@@papibeto3556 John Rose that name sounds familiar I'll check it out, do you soak your nuts and seeds overnight or a few days ahead before you eat them? That's what I do I soak them for a few days in the fridge in a container but is it really necessary to soak nuts and seeds? It's funny when I was a kid I never thought about this stuff I would just eat nuts and seeds not have to worry about oxalates and phytates but maybe there wasn't awareness back then, yeah that's what I've been recommended to eat almonds walnuts pumpkin seeds and sunflower seeds for bone health and prunes and apricots are supposed to be good for bone health too at least I hope they are that's what I've been told
True Keto diet was created for people suffering with seizures, not for weight loss. The way people eat "keto" right now is not the proper way. But to each their own.
I actually lose weight faster than a pound a week. I frequently can lose a pound every two days when I eat raw lowfat plant-based and using my blood sugars as a guide as to when I eat.
how do you use your blood glucose as a guide? i am starting to doing the same like i was thinking to not eat if my blood glucose is above 100mg/dl. can you explain how you did?
@@ggiiuulliio10 I didn't eat if mine was 100 either.
I’ve been on wfpb since 2020 and I gain weight and now pre diabetes…w.t.h. ! Maybe it’s not for everyone. I’m careful on what I eat and exercise every day at least 2 h , i want to give up 😢
Try The Mayo Clinic Diabetes Diet book written by Donald Hensrud. I lost weight by following the advice in this book. The book recommends whole grains and not processed grains. It also recommends a serving of fruit and nonstarchy vegetables with every meal and to count calories and how to count calories with each meal. Love this book. Also, can be vegetarian or vegan and follow this diet.
Are you using seed oils?
@@pookiecatblue no , I banned them years ago
Can someone make videos of there views on dr Bergs studies of keto they are very convincing
Even if a T2D is not vegan, they still need some high quality carbs if they workout because the muscles will crave it or those muscles are going to simply fizzle out.
if only they did this same thing and includes keto vs vegan vs carnivore. how do you get the needed nutrient's from 600 calories of plants we know they don't have the density of meat?
What needed nutrients? The body needs macros: fats, carbs and protein all of which exist in starch and other plant foods. The extra nutrient nitrogen in meat can actually have a negative effect on nutrients by burning up excess magnesium which is why heart problems follow high meat diets. Magnesium is needed for heart health. Plants don't burn up other nutrients like that, hence why they are heart healthy.
You will only lose weight on keto in the long term if you do intermittent fasting. Other than that your weight loss will STALL OUT after the first week!
Maybe its me, but to control weight on keto is sometimes mission impossible even with one meal per day. Fats are so calloric dense - nuts, avocado's, olives and olive oil, diary, etc. You can easily eat +1000cal overbord - take some nuts, some cheese and thats it.
@@ZmogusJaponija I am currently trying the Kempner rice and fruit diet for health and weight loss. I am a type 2 diabetic with lots of issues so I saw all of its benefits and decided to give it a go!
that's why keto is a scam, doesn't work and gets people into fasting starvation regimens.
@@williampapadopoulos8145 How's it going on the Rice Diet? I bet it's challenging if you're not in Kempner's clinic away from other foods.
It kind of nonsense that testing for 2 weeks is meaningful and is this typically how people actually do keto. And in about 6 months i clearly lost a lot of fat. And really keto works best with intermittent fasting. And typically this is the kind of study you see so bias is clearly an issue.
Well intermittent fasting is starvation diet, so keto must not work on it's own.
@@riceisnice444 learn to read. And while you’re at it open your mind.
That’s the dumbest study. What if one person only ate 1200 calories and another ate 2800? What if someone was 100lbs and the other 200? That “study” is invalid! That not how they work. That’s more of an observation
Well said 👍🏼 It’s like saying I didn’t brush my teeth for 2 weeks and I didn’t develop any cavities during that time therefore brushing my teeth is of zero benefit to my oral hygiene.
Gluconeogenesis is the process of synthesizing glucose in the body from non-carbohydrate precursors. It is the biosynthesis of new glucose, not derived from the consumption of carbohydrate. Glucose can be produced from lactate, pyruvate, glycerol (fat), and certain amino acids (protein).
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Keto ❤ or low carbs
People who are actually knowledgeable about the keto diet are not recommending 75% fat. That is a big misconception about keto, that it needs to be a low carb high fat diet. The whole point is to put your body in a state of ketosis which forces it to use stored body fat for fuel instead of glucose. You are not suppose to be eating copious amounts of fat, which is calorie dense, because you would be giving your body too much fuel, and that defeats the point. Also nobody is saying the fat in the diet needs to be saturated fat from animal sources, it does not. Mono and poly unsaturated fats work just fine, but you actually need more protein than fat. All in all you still need to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight. As far as carbs... carbs are not the enemy, high glycemic foods are. You need the fiber and can eat plenty of plants with low net carbs.
Keto is useful for losing excess body fat and/or reversing insulin resistance, but people are not suppose to live in ketosis. It is something the body needs to cycle in and out of. As natural animals we would sometimes find food and sometimes not. Ketosis is the mechanism by which we survive when there is no food available. But in modern society we depend on corporations to manufacture food for us and pack the store shelves, and this is mostly very poor quality processed foods, and it is available 24/7, so nobody has to go without food, which is not the way our bodies were designed to work.
Well summarised.
Humans are not animals, we need a highly selective diet to thrive, unlike horses, lions etc. Ketosis is a starvation crisis mode that creates high stress hormones like cortisol which ultimately raise blood sugar levels. It was never meant to be used for weight loss nor is it needed for that.
You are loosing muscle mass mainly as stored glucose in muscle tissue
Mark bell enormous bodybuilder on keto would disagree
Body builders take steroids, even vegan ones so that's not really a flex at all.
7:53 The standardized glucose tolerance test is a joke just like your opinion.
it's the gold standard and no-one on keto long term can pass it.
@@riceisnice444 The opinion you believe in doesn’t worth a single grain of salt. You don’t even understand what that stupid test means. It’s a standard, it’s not gold, it worth as much as a grain of salt, just little more than your opinion.
@@LittleRadicalThinker Are you familiar with the father of Type 2 Diabetes, Sir Harold Himsworth? He coined terms like insulin sensitive and insulin resistance. He showed that carbs are tolerated again when dealing with insulin resistance after a few days on a high carb/low fat diet in his clinical work in 1939. The OGTT is the gold standard for measuring the tolerance of carbs and how they spike blood sugar in the presence of intracellular fat induced Insulin Resistance. Even Shawn Baker failed his OGTT as all long term ketovores would. Many keto influencers openly admit to taking the T2D drug Metformin like Dave Asprey and Robert Lustig just to name two well known ones.
@@riceisnice444 What is the point to do a test for a substance that you should not even put into your mouth? Your body should not even eat a single gram of carbohydrates. Of course Shawn Baker will fail the test, in fact it’s a surprise if he doesn’t fail it. That’s exactly how your body should work. And why the H with the dead doctor’s opinion matter? That’s his opinion. Is he a god so that his opinion matters?
Nonsense, triacylglcerol and fatty liver disease significantly improved just on the ketogenic diet, look up the PUEE study and the consensus report if the ADA, it's also easy to prove in the daily clinical practice....
We have no experience with carnivore reports...
Oh it means whatever RIP Sara , dr Westman and Virta health did and are doing is wrong and potentially dangerous. So confusing no wonder people just give up.
Glucose intolerance and insulin resistance are not the same thing. The ketogenic diet does not cause insulin resistance. It causes glucose intolerance. There is a difference.
Tolerance to something you don't consume is irrelevant.
Consumption of glucose eight hours before the intolerance test fixes the issue of the test. It isn't insulin resistance,
The father of Type 2 Diabetes and coiner of the term Insulin Resistance would disagree. See Sir Harold Himsworth.
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Insulin resistance is glucose intolerance, but that does NOT make glucose intolerance necessarily insulin resistance. Those on keto are glucose intolerant because their insulin is low, not because they are resistant to it. Insulin resistance is HIGH insulin, not low.
@@JasonBuckman I see where you're going with that, and while I can agree their insulin is low, the mechanism of insulin resistance is mechanical. The insulin receptors are blocked by intracellular fat, and the insulin is paralyzed, unable to escort the glucose into the cell. The intracellular fat has been documented on an MRI and researchers can monitor the progress of the cell becoming free of that fat in a matter of days on high carb/low fat diets. Glucose intolerance is the result of fat induced intracellular insulin resistance because the blood sugar will spike and stay high if it can't get into the cells.
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What you are talking about it from being in a calorie surplus and storing bodyfat. That isn't from keto or the consumption dietary fat. That's from the consumption of too many calories. Yes, hypercalories causes insulin resistance.
Fasting does the same thing. If you fast for three days before doing an OGTT test, you will fail. That isn't from fat blocking the in insulin receptor. You're fasting, you haven't eaten anything. If you consume glucose within 8 hours of the test, that will "prime the pump" and tell your beta cells you need insulin because carbs are coming in. You will then pass the test. On a diet high in carbs, your beta cells stores insulin. On keto, they don't. The lack of stored insulin is what makes someone who is on an extended fast or on a ketogenic diet fail the test. Their pancreas isn't ready for the glucose.
Should have stretch out the research to a month and let’s see it
Everyone claim the same benefits of their diets while being talking down about the other diets.. people need to start act like adults and be respectful and admit that one size doesn’t fit all.. all pointless
Raw vegan ?
Keto isnt good in the long run (1 year plus) many studies show this.
That test does not make any sense, is like train for a marathon and then try to pass a strenght test, its called adaptation. Lets try this , get a guy on ketosis any plant based guy, and make them run on just after eating fat, and see who fail tthe test
That's been done, the high fat guy bonked, not good for keto.
anemic.
Keto 100 percent!!!
I love meat I do not think I could eat no meat the rest of my life.
You'd be surprised.
I ran a BBQ for a decade and thought the same, but now I've been vegan for almost a decade and feel way better.
Enjoy my meals just as much with no meat.
The substitutes are damn good these days, far better than when I started.
At least you're honest. I appreciate that instead of the ones who come in to try to debunk this good research. Try impossible burgers and bratwursts, they are very good.
@@MattAngiono Yes, the substitutes are outstanding now! Word:)
@@riceisnice444 making some cashew queso this very moment!
Made homegrown pesto and chimichurri last night with my tempeh tacos.
Who needs meat?
Sad answer: Only people who don't care about animal abuse and exploitation
@@MattAngiono sounds great, enjoy! Yes, people are narcissistic and don't care, but we do so we keep spreading the good info and doing our thing:)
Ive veen on a vegan diet.. never going to do that again. He should bot promote this torture for the human body
But did you try a high carbohydrate starch based diet with no oil? That is what is being discussed in the study, not a "vegan" diet which doesn't really exist beyond an ethical decision, tbh.
Can't beat a healthy keto diet. BP down, Blood sugar down, cholesterol down. People don't realise that you need to eat a lot of vegetables as well on keto. I put weight on, on plant based.
Heart disease up!!
@@PrideofJefferson definitely, from all the high nitrogen meat foods which tank heart healthy magnesium. I've had two friends now have heart attacks from going keto, and one online friend who lost her ability to walk on it.
You are so funny..... first step is realize that you are carnivore... then all pieces will come together....
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We are obvious fruigivores.
@@riceisnice444 Yeah sure, there were plenty of fruit during the paleolitic ice age and all key required nutrients for humans are in fruits: B12, proteins, cholesterol, omega3,... good luck!
@@DanielFernandez-h3l Sadly you don't know that bananas are 5% fat and all foods contain protein except oil and other overt fats like lard, including fruit.
There is no such thing as protein deficiency in the Western World.
Meat eaters have a higher rate of B12 deficiency than vegans, which should be made in a healthy gut.
It is bacteria poop, so not really a flex that your animal food has it in abundance.
We were made for tropical environments, maybe you don't know that.
Our physiology: teeth, stomach, digestive tract, etc. is closest to the great apes who are fruigivores.
Notice I didn't say fruitarians, there's a difference.
The residual fat in bananas is not cholesterol. There’s no cholesterol in plants. The same for proteins, the little amount in bananas is not bioavailable for humans.
If there is no protein deficiency it may be because they eat meat (deficiency defined by who and in base to what BTW…)
Vegans have high B12 because they take pills. Stop the pills and they die.
Tropical environment? So how do we survive the ice age and how Inuits live in the north pole?
Our body and metabolism is designed to digest fat and protein only. You look like an ape because we come from the apes, sure, but we evolved to carnivore many millions of years ago. Just look at the fossil analysis, it’s that simple.
By frugivore and not fruitarian you mean that we must eat fruit and meat? So is it possible that humans can survive only eating meat but they can’t survive eating only fruit? That’s the definition of a carnivore animal. Quite obvious isn't it?
Roflmao, your lack of understanding is absurd !
This is a such a great argument for you side, amazing.
Haha so fact is meat doesn't equal muscle 💪 😂😂😂