"Do you have time for an 8 hour episode?". Chris, if you made 8 hours of content, and it was half as engaging as this presentation, I would gobble all 8 hours!
Good episode. I enjoy every one. I usually watch 2-3 times (sometimes more) to understand because there is SO much information in each episode. I do have more questions now: Triglycerides weren’t mentioned and were higher in the low fat group. Why? What about more insulin? In your Diabetes episode, it was the two together that showed true glucose intolerance? Can you expound that context of this study? Also, risk, you say double of risk, but how much of a RISK is that? For those of us who haven’t had a course in statistics, double of an an unknown risk is still unknown. Is the original risk 1 in 100? 1 in 2000? One in a million? I unfortunately need a science-speak to English translation here. On a (somewhat) unrelated request for future videos, can you do a video on the green Mediterranean diet? I’d love to see your thoughts on this. Kevin Hall really needs to write a book. How can your fans get on the bandwagon to get him to write it? Can you be a co-author?? Inquiring minds want to know. :)
"So my total cholesterol went from 207-277.' So that is about the same ." He said that with a straight face & all. Clearly, he missed his calling. Should've been a politician instead .
Just at the beginning, but when I heard total cholesterol of 277 is the same as 207 I literally exclaimed, “WHAT!?” and then when I heard 136 to 201, I exclaimed, “IN WHAT WORLD!?”. EDIT: Made it further into the video - super interesting, especially considering my latest video on hunger and keto. I’ll need to look over the data again!
I think Dr Ekberg misspoke and shame on his editing .... In the past he has said that his cholesterol scores are above 250. TGL and HDL were about 100 and his LDL was "elevated" at 180. He said those were his normal levels
Your humor, editing are amazing !!! Please, please if possible make a health documentary!! It’s your calling!! At least a 30 minute long series. Please!!
"My total cholesterol went from 207 to 277 which is about the same." 🤣 I laughed out loud so hard after this. How can these guys be this out of touch with reality? Well, whatever you have to do to stick to your untruthful views of reality.. 🤷♂
Don't forget the most important LDL from 136 to 201 being ''the same''. I was like - are we looking at the same numbers? 🤣🤣🤣 Seriously this is so ridiculous.
This is one of the best channels on TH-cam. The production is excellent. The way you weave the info together and correct mistakes as you find them. It’s a 10 from me. 🤩
I am the study. I’ve lost three sizes and Ive healed my gut my arthritis. In my asthma by not eating plants. Not going back. Beef butter, bacon, and eggs. At 64. I’ve never felt better.
you seem to be happy. but what about the animals that are frightened and fearful in the slaughterhiouse, no matter how 'nicely' they are raiseed?. It is a very linear issue with some humans, my needs get met. Have you ever worked in a slaughterhouse?
@@rachelgoodkind6545 Animals eat us at any chance they get, they don't get emotional about it and neither do we need. Even cats and dogs can eat their owners if the owners happen to die and nobody comes for them, has happened thousands of times.
@@diceymaan And some humans are mass murderers and do not get emotional, including Stalin, Chairman Mao, idi amin and others. That does not mean we need to follow their lead and victimize animals, it however is a personal choice. And some humans lack the emotions and compassion to empathize with the animals they eat.
@@diceymaan using the extreme nature of wild animals to justify your views is insane. So what if animals kill humans or other animals? Do we need to be like them to prosper? Last time I checked war and violence amongst humans is a bad thing, so why should we continue it just because animals kill other animals. Animals rape other animals too. Does that mean we should follow in their footsteps? I only hope you answer this with logic and morality in mind and remember to leave your ego and emotions out of it.
As a 2 1/2 year carnivore it took me a good 3 to 6 months to become fully fat adapted and my ketone levels stayed high so I’m pretty sure that my clear brain zero brain fog depression and anxiety gone are benefiting me on a ketogenic diet.
Good god you carnivore's sound so hollow. Anxiety gone, ok, would you like a cookie? Anything about any type of body specific readings, such as cholesterol, plaque build up, etc? No? Just the very common anecdotal, brain fog gone = superhuman diet. So fucking dumb lol.
The backgrounds, your family members, the interviewed experts, and especially the video content are always so entertaining, great job! I've never seen a cooler grandpa and TH-camr, thanks so much for another awesome video, Chris! 🌱
This ignores the studies published by the acc, Ada, and aha, showing that high serum cholesterol and dietary saturated fat are not good indicators of health risk. ApoB IS, and LDLs and apob are NOT similar.
I didn't know this either: "Satiety and satiation are related terms that are often used interchangeably, but they actually refer to different aspects of the feeling of fullness and satisfaction after eating. Satiety refers to the feeling of fullness and satisfaction that persists after a meal and suppresses hunger and the desire to eat again. It is a longer-term feeling that relates to the overall energy balance of the body and can last for several hours after a meal. Satiation, on the other hand, refers to the feeling of fullness and satisfaction that occurs during a meal and signals the end of eating. It is a shorter-term feeling that relates to the immediate sensory experience of eating, such as the taste and texture of food. In summary, satiation is the feeling of fullness and satisfaction *during* a meal that makes you stop eating, while satiety is the feeling of fullness and satisfaction *after* a meal that helps you maintain a healthy energy balance by reducing hunger and the desire to eat." (From ChatGPT)
Can one have too much satiety? I'm usually only a little hungry once a day, if even that. Was the hormone grehlin mentioned in the vid? I didn't watch it all.
Thank you for your content! This video came up on my TH-cam recommendations, and the timing of it was perfect. I was 2 days into my latest low carb diet run and watching your videos convinced me to give it up. So instead cooking up bacon and eggs this morning, it's steel cut oatmeal and wild blueberries. While I thought a high carb low fat diet was probably healthier for me, I could never get my mind to fully commit to the diet. But the way you structured and edited your videos really helped me believe your message over all the videos i've seen promoting keto / low carb diets. Great video -- love the editing and the length and depth of and information shared!!
I can't get enough of your videos .... sometimes i just want to call you to tell you to hurry up and release more ,more ,more .... Thank you Cris ...you are national treasure..
When he said his numbers were the same (after eating those eggs) I was drinking tea and I have never been closer to doing a spit take in my life. We need spit take warnings!!! But seriously… completely nuts! Thank you for the videos! You and Dr Gil are my favorite go-to nutrition channels. You are very entertaining and yet scientific, who knew that was even possible!
@@nonfictionone it’s just irresponsible for this man to use his platform to blatantly say inaccuracies. I know he is a “doctor” and I truly believe people are capable of understanding things without a degree HOWEVER he (and Dr Berg) make grave mistakes when speaking on a LOT of topics and people are listening and believing them primarily because they sound knowledgeable and they are doctors. I’m saddened that this could be causing harm. Thank you to PlantChompers for making this usually unconsumable science highly palatable for those of us who just want good info so we can feel confident that we are making informed decisions!! You always hear doctors say, don’t look it up on the internet and my reply to that is: well are you going to tell me what I need to know? I can’t afford university! But I can read and listen. I’ll happily follow medical advice but it takes me two to six months to get an appointment that lasts ten minutes. And then I get sent to four different specialists that treat one part of the body and don’t communicate with one another. By educating myself somewhere, maybe at least I have better questions to ask these very distant medical professionals when I see them.
Yes he's good, but Dr Gil is too chicken sh1t to call out the MD quacks promoting deadly carnivore diet to ignorant laymen like ken berry. He only picks on the DC's. 🙄
❤I love your videos! You're so wise and your explanations are clear and entertaining! I enjoy watching your family members participating in your videos! So sweet!❤
Nice! As someone who has eaten mostly plant based for five years, but who occasionally falls off the meat wagon, I can tell you that I can notice the negative affects on my body as soon as a few hours. Before I started, I had acne, inflammation in my back and joints, ED, and explosive bathroom episodes. Two weeks of nothing but plants (with homemade baked french fries no oil as my main go to for curbing cravings) literally cured all those symptoms. No more acne, no more inflammation, #2 Lincoln logs in the morning like clockwork, and improved bedroom performance. Since then, my body has become extremely sensitive to eating what would be considered a normal western diet. I think it's just because I know what healthy feels like. Many people are suffering, and they don't even know it. If they do know it, they assume it's just ageing or genetics, and they turn to doctors and pills to treat the symptoms. Yep, they treat the symptoms, but they don't treat the cause. Great video, my man - keep it up!
Glad it worked for you. I was vegetarian for 6 years and 1 year vegan. At first it was no problem for me but after a few years I realized I was getting weaker and got achy joints and I lost weight altough I was training regularly. I tried pretty much every diet in the last 10 years and wrote a masters thesis on intermittent fasting. In the end going back to an animal based diet worked really good for me. Lot of people eat a lot of s*** when they say that they eat meat but you should really focus on minced beef e.g. as most meat dishes in studies are also a "salami pizza" where there is barely any meat on it. I do only eat higher amount of carbs when I train. Actually I just wanted to say what works for me, might not work for others. Everybody got to try how they feel when they eat certain foods, that's the only way to really find it out. Cheers!
@@Arternis Good for you, and I'm glad you found something that works for you. The Petersons certainly seem to be doing well too. I look at it from a perspective of what can I not live without. I can definitely live without cheese, milk and meat. If I had to give up beer, bread, or fruit, I don't think I could hack it.
@@Arternis Many so-called vegetarians or vegans do not eat a whole food balanced "diet". Many "vegetarians" load up on dairy and chees, known to cause arthritis and other problems. Of course they experience health problems, but usually blame the "diet" not their food choices. Cheers.
@@davidjones-wr3pg Seems absolutely reasonable to me. I am constantly trying to reintroduce foods into my diet to make it as variable as possible :). I love certain beans that are traditional in my area but I am not doing well when eating them so I cut them out most of the time but when I do eat them I do it on purpose. For me it's like the glass of alcohol here and there with friends. The only "diet" that you will stick to is the one you enjoy! All the best!
I’ve had the exact opposite effects. Was veg/vegan for 5 years and was suffering daily. I’ve always been active in MMA and working as a chef. Once I stopped eating vegan food and switched to steak and eggs, all of my issues went away in 5 days. I suffered from fatigue, inflammation, acne, stomach issues, insomnia, hair loss, inability to keep weight(135)( now I’m 175)and bleeding gums. Everything has healed and I’ve kept healthy weight. Every time I eat gluten or dark greens I feel it in 4 hours. Inflammation and stomach problems. My guess is people have to find what works for them and not be so rigid or cultish about food 😅
I think this is the video I first stumbled upon that not only got me addicted to your channel but also got me to understand and take seriously my high LDL problem. My LDL was up at 167 four years ago not long after I became vegetarian. I didn't do anything about it. Two years later it dropped only to 156, and I was prescribed a statin, which I didn't take because I wanted to fix it myself... Only life got too busy with a new baby and I didn't really do much. But this video got me thinking about it again, and started my path to learning a lot more. Finally got another blood test this week and LDL is down to 107 without ever having taken a statin drug. I've only recently just made some much bigger changes so I'm excited to see how much more I can drop it in a few months. As a bonus I'm also down 25lbs and only 5 more away from my very slim high school weight. Thanks so much for waking me up with this video and for all I've learned from all your other videos since. I and my family are sincerely grateful for it.
Ive just recently started eating 2 good meals a day within about 7 to 8 hours. Lots of fresh veggies, spuds, chicken & fish & some fruit each day. Occasionally bread & rice & pasta, but not huge amounts. kind of everything in moderation. The BEST thing I did was make 2 rules for myself. No added sugar to anything I eat and, stop eating at 7pm. Nada. Finish! No crap while I'm watching TV at night. I cook from scratch & use yummy olive & avocado oil with the odd knob of butter. It's a delicious healthy mediterranean, leaning diet with some milk & eggs some days. So far 8 kgs have just dropped off me. If I am truthful, the food that I am eating now is pretty close to what I ate before. I've always eaten good quality fruit, vegetables and nuts and high-fiber foods BUT I have decreased the amount I eat and now have a start & finish time and dont just endlessly graze and eat unnecessary calories. Also, get rid of sugar, It's unbelievably fattening
Basically what I'm doing as well! I am glad and I hope I can keep working on my prediabetes this way. Just got diagnosed in October, but I'm sticking to no added sugars on anything and a nice self-cooked Mediterranean diet, with 16:8 intermittent fasting, whole ingredients mostly. In this short time being aware of added sugars on so many things has been eye-opening!! 😮
You have an amazing family.. bless you guys.. I don't eat a lot of processed stuff (just not interested cuz they make me feel terrible) ...but I'm vegan for animals!
im carnivore but i also feel bad for the animals. its just a necessary evil i suppose. humans suffer far more than animals though so you cant feel too bad.
"You're vegan for animals"? You're a delusional virtue signaller, good for you!!!.... go read former vegan activist Lierre Keiths book....There is NOTHING you eat for which something has not died....
Love your content, Chris. So valuable to have voices speaking up for science and against quackery. Many will still fall for the quackery, but you, sir, are doing more than your part to bring good science to the public. Bravo 🎉to you!
I do not beleive anyone I see online is thriving on animal based diets. I literally felt like I might die on the keto diet and suffered ketoacidosis and low blood sugar so bad I couldn’t get up. Eating a banana gave me life. There’s no way people live like that .
@@Jodie-masterson feel free to list what carbs you would eat living in a forest in Europe Remember you are living outside and it's freezing cold half the year and you need at least 3000 kcal for you and tens of thousands more kcal for your dependents
According to Dr. Paul Saladino, glucose intolerance in ketogenic diets are due to cells that can take in ketones, preferring ketones as the energy source rather than glucose, as long as the fat fuel is available, and thereby leaving elevated glucose in the blood and give the appearance of insulin resistance. I would like to see the glucose test performed on someone who is on a keto diet where they regularly have a post-prandial insulin spike due to adequate intake of protein per meal, not the "stay in ketosis even during meals" version of keto. Or the glucose test performed on someone that has just done steady state cardio and/or HIIT to test how well glycogen stores that were depleted soak up the elevated blood sugar. As for LDL cholesterol, the study with coconut oil and pigs is suspect if the pig feed was primarily starchy grains. Chronically high insulin due to meal frequency and blood sugar spikes wear down the arterial wall, while causing the liver to not recycle small LDL particles into larger forms, allowing these small particles to stay in the blood and enter the gaps of the arterial wall created by insulin (and insulin resistance) remaining in the blood for prolonged periods of time to lower blood sugar. (Randle Cycle) These small LDL particles then get oxidized in the arterial wall, attacked by white blood cells, and plaque is then formed. The original study decades ago, for LDL cholesterol utilized a diet that consisted of 30% net carbohydrates and labeled that "Low carb" when that is approximately 150g's of carbohydrates based on a 2kcal diet. That is too high to be considered a low carbohydrate diet, and due to the Randle Cycle, too many carbohydrates and saturated fat will cause triglyceride levels to rise if exercise (both cardio and strength training) aren't used to help utilize the blood glucose and potential fat fuel. Furthermore, ketogenic omnivorous diets can make use of monounsaturated fats (from avocado, avocado oil, nuts, seeds, olives and olive oil) to supplement their fat intake. Monounsaturated fat is shown not to raise LDL cholesterol. As well as stearic acid. If you're going to have net carbohydrates in your diet, fiber becomes necessary (soluble) to blunt the blood glucose spike. Insoluble fiber can also help with blunting fat absorption(good for cholesterol control) and protein absorption(not good). Without many carbs in the diet, fiber isn't necessary at all.
@kenshinhan - great response. I tried to respond on similar lines but either I am blocked (not surprised) or I might have mentioned Dave Feldman site name for cholesterol study and group of citizen scientists so it might have been deleted. Looks like the episode clearly lacks the knowledge of gluconeogenesis and the dawn effects. There’s also no corresponding graph of insulin level. Besides I am also interested in looking at several vitamins levels esp the fat soluble ones. There’s no data provided.
Something to consider on caloric density and satiation is that cultures who traditionally eat very rich foods (french) do so slowly and in a social setting. So taking people who are used to eating food extremely fast (americans) will offer different results than people who eat slowly in terms of satiation. In my opinion at least.
The French Paradox of the French being in good health despite High amounts of fat, turned out to be a hoax: if I remember rightly: they fiddled the heart disease data (reported to the EU or WHO). Basically they reported no increase in heart disease over a period of time after the advent of cheap animal products (I.e. increase in consumption of these) with the onset of factory farming. But that period of time was not enough for the long term cardiovascular problems to become evident. They also reduced the number of adverse events by 10%! I know France pretty well and there are plenty of pill-poppers and obesity from my observations. Not as much as in the USA although that is not saying much!
@@spiral-m I agree, and I wouldn't argue they're the healthiest example. Just specifically that eating slowly and in a social setting affects satiation when consuming dense foods would change the quantity consumed. It is true that people in the US consume food much faster than worldwide averages, and putting them on a high fat diet is going to lead to overeating in most instances.
I am French and we know that it takes 30’ to the brain to receive a satiation signal…useless to try eating faster, you will end up eating after for not feeling satiated.
Oh my, I'm biased in favor of keto (perhaps not decades uninterupted), but I have two points to make, which I think are free from that bias: 1) Keto doesn't always mean low fiber. The types of vegetables prefered on keto often have plenty of fiber. And if people bake then there is also for example psyllium, oat fiber and coconut flour. I ate more vegetables after I started keto than before, even though only a certain amount was allowed (I admit my eating habits before were poor). So while vegan low-fat surely wins over keto in terms of amount and variety of fiber, keto can contain enough fiber. 2) The calorie rich foods do make it easier to have a much higher intake when a person isn't counting their calories. And you even explain why. With the calorie (and fat) intake of the LC group, it's a proof that keto works, that they lost any body fat at all, when based on calories alone, they should have been gaining it. This excess intake also explains the blood tests results of this study. And elevated uric acid - how much meat were they consuming? Keto done right improves metabolic markers in the blood. Most people on keto, if they are on it to lose weight, DO watch their calories. And on keto the calorie restriction doesn't cause hunger, even if satiation isn't effective on it's own to keep the calories low or reasonable. Even if they stop counting, they DO know to keep the portions smaller. I think I remember seeing studies where the same calorie intakes on LC and LF diets were compared and then keto WAS the more effective option for losing body fat. PS: Which group enjoyed their food more? That's also important for a sustainable nutrition style.
Which group enjoy their food more? As I eat a bigger and bigger diversity of vegan food, the average omnivore meat based diet seems so boring. It’s not that it is restrictive, it is that it becomes a lazy diet by habit.
I believe the vegan diet that Kevin Hall used in the study was also filled with refined carbs (white rice, white pasta etc) which makes the positive results even more interesting.
(I don't promote ketogenic diets or very low carb diets. Hypocaloric diets with low inflammatory agents tend to reduce insulin exposure and A1C fastest regardless of the macro breakdown). Glucose tolerance tests are contraindicated as diagnostic for people who have been on a low carb diet because glycolytic enzyme synthesis is suppressed when insulin levels are chronically low. In addition, the muscles load with free fatty acids in lieu of some glycogen, so the muscle cells remain "loaded" and there is less room to take on glucose, in addition to the pancreatic response to glucose being blunted (as the doctor indicated). We KNOW however that low insulin exposure reduces the disposal of glucose at the cellular level because emerging type 1 diabetics often have a reduction in insulin needs after a few weeks of insulin therapy. I mean we absolutely know that newly diagnosed type 1 diabetics HAVE glucose in their muscle cells, but aren't burning them. In a hypocaloric situation, ketogenic diets don't produce as profound a spike with a glucose tolerance test. It has been shown to reverse within 2-3 days of eating over 25% carbs. Insulin actually increases insulin sensitivity in the short term by stimulating synthesis of glycolytic enzymes. Keep in mind that while high glucose levels (140+) can destroy beta cells, insulin exposure is regarded by researchers as the primary mechanism of the development of insulin resistance at the cellular level. The pancreas' ability to produce and release insulin is not equivalent to insulin resistance but is often misinterpreted as being so. Here's the problem. Work with type 1 diabetics have shown that on a per carb gram basis, starches that have low GI, like al dente pasta and legumes actually require 150-200% as much insulin to manage over an extended period of time of 8-12 hours. The rise in glucose is very slow, but much of the glucose from those carbs is released and absorbed in a very delayed fashion as the fiber and intrinsic proteins are broken down, and it appears that there may even be sensors in the large intestine that sense the presence of "bulk" or stretch, and trigger the pancreas to release glucagon which raises blood sugar, and requires extra insulin to counteract. There is no doubt that high gluten pasta requires more insulin on a carb gram basis than carbs with less fiber and associated proteins. The gluten forms a gelatinous covering around starch granules that causes the delay and also the glucagon release signal. Harvard has confirmed this with high gluten wheat products. (I wanted to add that excessive fructose gets turned into liver fats which can make the liver insulin resistant, and fructose (and alcohol) also yields uric acid that also causes insulin resistance so basically you have three options for carbs: 1) Fructose yielding sugars-see Uric acid and fatty liver. 2) Slow digesting glucose polymers like beans and some grains which provoke glucagon release, demanding more insulin to manage and 3) Easily digested glucose polymers like rice, potato and yams and a few other sources like plantain and tapioca that don't provoke gut irritation leading to glucagon release or possibly other mechanisms of spiking blood sugar in a delayed fashion, however, these starches provoke a fast increase in blood sugar that may be above the euglycemic range. This can be blunted by combining with cellulose and resistant starch, protein and fat, or by consuming around activity. I've seen people drink 75 grams of glucose polymers during a 1 hour workout and not had their blood sugar go much over 100.
I LOVE and look forward to your videos!! I’ve been keto for 4 years and had much weight loss but at what cost?? Thank you for the eye opening fact based information!! I know it’s time to go plant base for many reasons!
I switched from lower carb for many years after being fairly convinced by “paleo” experts (some with PhDs). Eventually I suffered symptoms that I attribute to this style of eating. Now I’m upping the carbs and discarding the animal products.
Probably didnt up your electrolytes, my blood pressure was staying below 90/70 with a heart rate over 140. All because of low sodium, potassium and magnesium. Completely normalized after making my own electrolyte drink. Problem is most people don't recognize just how much added crap you dont need is in garbage food but also other stuff that is critical like electrolytes. No junk food your salt i take goes to mostly zero from well close to 3000mg a day or higher on garbage. Considering the body uses the electrolytes for the electrical signaling its obvious why they are so critical especially to heart function.
So you can be bloated, fart like a trooper and destroy your intestines with all that useless unnecessary and indigestible fibre. I guarantee you’ll be back to eating meat in less than 3 years.
I`m 72 and there is way more to it than this. On keto all my aches and pains go away, my large prostate problems disappear, and I have more energy. I do eat a nice salad every day but meat is big in my diet. I tend to eat a lot less and do not have cravings on Keto. You can`t believe a lot of studies he refers to as they are done by Vegans or the food industry. It is a fact that most vegans are protein deficient. It is also a fact that many veggies cause digestive problems and lots of allergic reactions. It is not necessary to eat high fat on Keto.
@francescalevine8735 I dare say 90% of knee, hip and shoulder replacement/surgeries would not be needed if the patient went Keto. About 5 years ago I went to the doc with a sore knee and after xrays he told me I have 'old man's knee', the cartilege was just worn out. Well after taking it easy on it for awhile and going Keto it started getting better and better. Now 5 years later on Keto I walk 2 hours a day on it and can even do some running, with no pain. Again, I am 72 so anyone can do this.
@francescalevine8735 way back when I was entering my 50s I started getting all kinds of aches and pains and I really started dreading getting old, no one had told me about this! I went to the doc for shoulder, knee, wrist and more pains with no relief. It was not until I was around 69 and went Keto that I turned it all around.
Every single natural, whole foods diet on the planet is low carb. High carbs are processed foods (which includes breads and other flour products) and sugar; eliminate them and you too are on a low-carb diet. Will you go into Ketosis? Maybe. Sometimes. Which is probably the way you're meant to live. For example, if you eat meat and vegetables--as much as you want of either--you're super low carb and you probably bounce in and out of Ketosis. If you run across some fruit and each a bunch of it, you'l be out of Ketosis but you probably can't do that every day or even every week.
Yeah I agree - our ancestors in the northern hemisphere would have eaten plenty fruits and plants during the summer months and relied more on meat during winter, in ketosis during periods of hunger when food sources were lacking or during winter when forage options were leaner. I’m in the north of the UK and often look at what my ancestors would have ate during the seasons. It definitely wasn’t plants all year round.
I think it's really hard to eat a lot of fat when you are not used to it, so it probably has something to do with the gut microbiome. I used to feel VERY satiated on small amounts of fat before I got used to it. It's easier to eat it now, after some training.
So true, after eating low fat plant based for many years, eating out can literally make me gag with all the added fat. Also, I wonder if populations of our ancestors eating a high or low fat diets in certain locations can effect our genetics, as per the example of the Innuits. Like Chris, I have familial high cholesterol, and it kept getting higher. Even eating no animal products at all it was over 300! Frustrating as I hate taking drugs! Yet my neighbor who has a horrible diet and eats mostly fast food had a reading of 170! Crazy!
@@CharGC123 From what I've read, the Innuit had pretty high cholesterol, but the thing keeping it from sky rocketting was probably exercise. Nowadays they are as bad off as everyone else on fatty, fiber lacking foods. Familial hypercholesterolemia is genetic, of course, but on a population level very few populations have been so isolated that there are any major genetic differences between them and others. The fact that humans are fundamental plant eaters remains strong in the Innuit, even after thousands of years of heavy meat eating. It's not just any meat eating though, they have very special foods and techniques to be able to survive on their diet. Sorry about your fam, chol., but you know what to do, and sometimes even a statin can be necessary.
@@CharGC123 I see your point, but 70 is not very old, at least it shouldn't be. There are many things you could try though, if you want to avoid statins. Sleep and exercise are important of course, shifting out certain foods, etc. Keep trying 🙂.
LDL: 136 to 201, the same Imagine seeing a tiny grandma who is 136 cm tall, and a 201 cm basketball player, and thinking to yourself... It's about the same, lol.
Great, now im even more confused than before. I ate healthy all my life, mostly unprocessed food, almost never drank anything but water. For about 10 years my digestion doesn't seem to work at all, i wake up after sleeping for 8 hours and feel like i haven't slept for 3 days, i sit on the toilet for half an hour and nothing happens, but im not constipated, its just a lot of air. I walk up 10 stairs and feel like i have run a marathon, and wan't to just lay down and sleep. I have no motivation to do anything because everything is just to much work in that state. I have brainfog 24/7 and feel like i can't think straight. Im also in a bad mood almost all the time and feel like nothing i do makes any sense. Then i heard of carnivore diet, and tried it. I instantly got back my energy, i am motivated again, my brain works like it should. I lost like 6kgs in 3 weeks, and i have no digestive issues anymore. But as soon as i just eat one thing that is plant based, or even a peace of bread, the next day im back to were i was before, because my digestion fks up my sleep and im back to sitting on the toilet for hours again. Like, what the hell am i supposed to do? I also have done tests over night for my sleep , an my doctor told me everything is alright. My blood tests are also always fine, except for vitamin D deficiency, which almost everyone seems to have.
Check out the video on this channel called “Can water-only fasting heal most diseases”. Fasting can reset your body & clear the buildup of all kinds of crap. Imagine you have a high performance car and you gave it the higher quality oil and gas, inevitably you’d eventually have to change the oil and the gas filter. No matter how good was or is your diet, there are other toxins, plastics, stress, bad sleep and everything else that weighs us down, then we get weird allergies and reactions to foods. A long fast is like taking the car apart and cleaning the insides of the engine and all other parts. Then you put it together and it runs like new.
That's not a more or less trained pancreas that affected the glucose tolerance test. It was the fatty blood in the LC diet that caused insuline resistance. It is explained in detail on Liver Rescue by Anthony William.
I enjoy every video you make. You don't convince me scientifically that vegan is better than keto more than Sten Ekberg convinces me of the opposite, but the confusing mix of facts and opinions you subject me to makes me struggle with these questions, and that's a good step in the right direction. Keep up the good work, brother.
I _am_ OCD like you! And I sure do love your videos! Keep up the great work! You address so many of the same issues and questions rattling around in my own head. ;)
Another incredible, insightful video my friend, gaining more and more wisdom every time. :) And i really mean it, i appreciate the effort you put into all the research you've done over time. I don't personally have the dedication or desire to do research as i have other interests i devote my time to, so watching scientifically-minded people like you is incredibly helpful. I have no doubt that even the future generations, including your grandchildren could benefit from this. After all, what can better than looking back and knowing and being proud of how great/smart your grandpa was no? :) All my grandparents are long gone, but i still have the memories and knowledge they shared from the time they were alive. Keep up the great work, for yourself and all those who are yet to come :)
Interesting. Here's what i know from personal experience. My exercise regimen was unchanged. I went from an omnivore diet (what the FDA would consider to be balanced) to a keto (nearly carnivore) lost 35 pounds and got off bp meds... migraines stopped. Slept better. Excema improved asthma all but went away... evegy levels up amd kore mental clarity. Went back to the normal FDA diet and all that started to reverse. So went back to keto/carnivore and weight back off mood better... sleep better... etc.
The thing is “Why did he not show the water weight chart” “Why did he not show the body fat chart” When you consume lots of carbs Your body retains water For all we know A weight lost could be losing fat water or muscles and else And all we know is that more fat was lost in the low fat diet But the thing is carbs retain water Most likely what happened is In the low carbs people quickly loses water weight Which I don’t get why people thinks it is a bad thing It’s literally less bloating Just because it makes the kgs drops faster without gaining as much benefits as dropping fats It only makes it tricky to analyze not bad In low carb you have way less water increase muscle mass and lose a little fat While on the low fat side you retain lots of water due to the carb Losing lots of muscle and fat on the way The data only says “more fat lost for low fat” “more kgs lost for low carb” Kgs lost ? Did you gain muscle lost water? Did you gain water lost muscle? More fat lost? Why not show the body fat percentage for better representation of the result?
@HYPERWATER Actually, I can answer most of this. Lost about 10 pounds of water and more than the rest (25 pounds ... 35 total minus 10 water) was fat as I did gain some muscle. This is what my smart scale says and it jives with the pace of weightloss (rapid in first couple weeks then very controlled and steady at around 1.5 pounds to 2 pounds per week thereafter. In addition to the extra water gain (water bonds to glycogen) and elevated blood pressure (and in my case migraines) that goes with it, carbs (especially processed) impact hormones that impact satiation (the feeling of being full at end of meal) and having high ketones control satiety (feeling of remaining full between meals). I experimented with vegetarian diet and I lost muscle mass and suffered from low energy levels that made it hard to workout... so for instance... same heart rate was associated with slower speed on my bike. I also got sick repeatedly on vegetarian diet. Not so on a keto diet. In fact my wife started work as a school teacher after I became keto, and while she has brought numerous colds home, I have not become sick. So there's that. A man with receipts.
@Ella May what is your point? I've tried vegan, vegetarian, carnivore, and keto. I track all kinds of data points, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that the worst for me was FDA recommendations (food pyramid), then vegan, then vegetarian. Keto and carnivore have been the only diets with consistent results for me. I am stronger with more endurance, lower body fat, better blood pressure, etc. I don't have an ideological horse in this race. I just have mounds of data from trying different diets and eslxercise programs for more than 30 years (I am 50).
How valid a conclusion could you get from 14 days then swing to polar opposite without resetting to base conditions? How much is body adaptation and how much is purely influenced by the foods?
Well and also were the women in the study cycling or were they on hormonal birth control? Because for a healthy woman, 14 days is nothing and she's only halfway through the cycle. They would have needed to wait 28 days to see the true impact as fat burning and metabolism naturally speed up in the last phase (luteal) of the female cycle, so this would have skewed results. Women almost need their own separate studies done.
I could never live on a high fat animal based diet. I need my carbs- my lentils, chickpeas, tofu, oatmeal, rice veggies and fruit... Besides there's a history of ❤️ heart disease in my family. My father died of a heart attack at 74!!!! He ate meat every day!
Nothing indicates that high fat animal based diet is causing heart disease. There are several risk factors that causes health issues. Stress, genetics, smoking, obesity etc etc.
Oh, I also love your family escapades and the natureful scenery in your videos. I truly believe those who enjoy carnivore really do not or rarely care at all about studies that citicize their dietary choices. They smile and enjoy what they eat and seem to consistently say they feel better, and great. I still believe in saving animals lives however.
I have to admit that I don't find the extreme diets (keto/vegan) all that appealing. I don't think I could sustain either one for long. I like variety and while I watch my carbs and sugars as I'm T2 I also try to watch my saturated fat intake as well but I'm not obsessive about it. I usually let my glucose meter tell me what foods I can get away. So far I like being in the middle. My A1c and my weight are down and I feel I can sustain this long term.
@@gregorygreene1940 ok, but it's not extreme. we aren't omnivores. so it's not extreme. eating meat and cooked plantfoods is ignorant, and leads to disease. if you don't mind disease and pain, and shorter lifespan, have at it; if you want the best quality of life and longevity, eat less and less flesh. dairy isn't food. eggs raw can be a good snack, but not necessary either, all we need is plantfoods.
@@saszablaze1 I would say that response pretty much sums up why the majority of people view vegan/carnivore as extreme. Agree to disagree as the saying goes.
@@gregorygreene1940 agree to disagree is a really good way to swerve admitting you're wrong "oh i didn't know that, what do you mean?/tell me more" most people die in pain, cut years off their life, take like 10 - 20 meds, but think a diet they never heard of til the last 10 - 20 years - because everyone is so culturally brainwashed and ignorant is - is extreme. carnivore IS extreme, because it cuts out what humans need to live good lives mentally physically nourished and hydrated; vegan doesn't cut anything we actually need out; it just requires people shift their paradigm; learn what's healthy, what's not, and you can't stop at vegan; "vegan" can fuck you up; it's RAW vegan, or mostly raw which will bring true health in body & mind. fat free vegan. that's extreme. when we go vegan, in order to sustain it and be healthy, we need to lose grains and beans and fried foods, quick, or we get lethargic, grumpy, hypoglycaemic, get injuries that don't heal so well, lose weight, or gain it etc etc.
I can answer some of your questions but not many. First I'm 73 and have followed a low carb diet for 30 years now. Not a keto diet even though I only consume 12 carbs per day. Why not keto. Because although keto is a low carb diet a low carb diet may not be a keto diet. A keto diet requires a certain percentage of fats to protein and a normal low carb diet doesn't require a set amount of fats to protein. Forget keto meaning ketogenic because a low carb diet is ketogenic but that doesn't require you to eat a keto diet. I know, confusing. First off my blood sugar is at the bottom of the recommended range and stays there. I'm not aware of any issues if I cheat and have a serving of grits with my breakfast. Fiber is not an issue. The typical low carb diet contains a variety of greens, broccoli, cauliflower, my favorite(okra), artichokes, asparagus, spinach, green beans, nuts and seeds. I've never even heard where people who eat only a carnivore diet have a fiber issue. At any rate bathroom issues can make that clear quickly. I don't particularly worry about LDL but am more concerned with triglyceride levels and mine are at 45. Very low. Lower than most vegans. I'm still active and feel fine although that's subjective. On a side note most of the people I grew up with are long gone and my only two existing friends my age have health issues and both eat a normal diet. I've eaten low carb for so long it has little effect on my weight. I control my weight by the amount of calories I eat. No matter what diet you follow they all work the same. Weight loss is governed by calories consumed by calories burned. I'm also aware of the brain needing glucose for energy but the liver is capable of creating that much glucose from protein and fats. I truly think the most important thing is eating what makes sense to you. I avoid all fruit and grains as little more than unhealthy candy bars. If you compare the nutrition of one apple to one cup of collard greens you can quickly see which provides better nutrition. Now on to eating meat. You don't eat just steaks. You eat as wide a variety of meats and cuts of meat as possible including organ meats. You also eat a wide variety of seafood. Fish, oysters, lobsters, shrimp, crabs and so on. Fats. I eat butter, eggs, cheese, nuts, seeds, olives and the occasional half a small avocado. My daily diet is eggs and pork for breakfast(never could get used to fish for breakfast) and you can make some really nice foods like pancakes with eggs as the main ingredient. Lunch. Most of the time I skip lunch. At 73 I don't burn enough calories to get hungry by lunch with a good breakfast. However lunch would be sardines, tuna, chicken, pickled vegetables, boiled eggs, perhaps some meat. Dinner is almost always a meat or seafood and two half cup servings of low carb vegetables. Snacks would be nuts, seeds, or my favorite treat, about one ounce of cream cheese eaten in small bites and enjoyed like ice cream. Now to finish I will say before a low carb diet I suffered from a lot of digestive issues and joint problems and the digestive issues went away quickly. The joint issues have improved over the years and don't bother me much any more. Would I go back and change my diet if I could. Nope, I would not. I enjoy the foods I eat and have more than enough energy to do the things I want including being able to skip meals without feeling starved. I had a nuclear scan done a few years back that showed no issues. I will say that women may flourish on a vegan diet but men who work hard as in construction need meat and fats to have the energy to keep going for long periods of time.
I cured, not "managed" my T2diabetes as did my wife who came off insulin ang metformin on keto. It also fixed my arthritis and my wife has not had a gout attack since keto, over 4yrs. My blood work is excellent. Its not as easy as some make it out to be and takes discipline and commitment and takes a bit of time to get used to, but becomes a way of life. Ps If people want to get their LDL cholestrol down just fast longer before your blood test about 12-14 hrs, it will plumett and shows what a pointless metric it is.
I could be convinced of either because I love a variety of foods! Very low carb/ mostly carnivore seems to be working for me since realizing I have a carb addiction and just can't moderate my eating well on carbs. This seems to be the case for a lot of people who do well on this way of eating. I do miss eating plants though and hope to add them back in eventually. It is nice not being bloated though when on mostly meat, and in just a month cleared up a skin condition of 10 years and my hair stopped falling out for the first time in YEARS.
I've just watched the ZOE interview with Professor Christopher Gardner on "Should you eat more protein?" and different types of protein. He'd be a great person to talk with you and spread the message that most of us overeat on protein and why it's useless.
As a young researcher, I love how scientific study/evidence is carefully and well explained in your videos. Your channel has absolutely become one of my favorite ones to learn. Please share more of your wisdom with us!
I've been doing Nutrition research for 8 years because my body completely healed after going Vegan for the animals being tortured for our diets. I feel so grateful my compassion saved my life because I'm so healthy at 64 and good health is so worthwhile. I've not been sick in over 8 years not even a headache or a cold - it's all about our wonderfully intelligent cells and also I come from Primates, not Lions
Well Ava...your ancestors almost exclusively lived on meat. Our digestive system is vastly different from the apes that we branched off from millions of years ago. Go carnivore, you will do better.
Family friend of mine in Germany visited me once (in San Francisco) and I couldn’t figure out where the butter went. Then she told me she eats the equivalent of a stick or more a day. I was shocked. Not too many years later, she had a stroke. Wheelchair-bound for the rest of her short life. Very sad.
Try it! It can be wonderful. I ate half a stick the other day for the first time and the tension in my temples that’s always there melted away after ten minutes in a way that’s only ever happened from drugs before. I wasn’t expecting anything like that at all.
My grandparents were lifelong diabetics. I remember as a kid going to visit and the house always smelled like grease. This was in rural Indiana. Meat was a mainstay. I honestly didn't even know what lentils or quinoa was until my mid 20s. I remember even at a young age being struck by the cognitive dissonance, because they had lists of "Good", "Bad", and "Sometimes" food planted on the fridge that my dad had written up for them with one of their kidney doctors. But all the "Bad" foods like rice, potatoes, grains, and fruit were things I almost never saw them eat, and certainly weren't staples except maybe as an occasional side dish usually loaded with butter. All the "Good" stuff like meat, cheese, and eggs you couldn't get away from if you tried, nevertheless they never got better. My dad used to accuse them of sneaking in oats and stuff. It was hilarious because you couldn't have paid my grandfather to eat a bowl of steel-cut oats with some berries, that wasn't drowning in added fat or served alongside some bacon and eggs. I think you can do low carb in a healthy way, really emphasizing unsaturated fats and low GI veggies, but that certainly wasn't the message they were getting.
I know you can control lipids by doing a good fat version of keto, but I wonder if Neurologists are right and it's still harmful in the long run to the brain.
@@PlantChompers Yeah, fair question. There's a few studies on what they call "Eco-Atkins" - basically a plant-forward keto with lots of unsaturated fats and a good deal of fiber. Seems alright short-term, but the biggest thing against keto in my experience, as someone who occasionally does low-carb cycles for the anti-anxiety benefits, is how flat out unnatural it starts to feel, even once you're over the adaptation hump. Cravings do subside in my experience, but never fully go away. Sleep also starts to suffer after a while. I certainly find lower fat easier to adhere to these days.
@@PlantChompers considering the body runs mostly on fat during rest and day to day activity (look up respiratory quotent) only time we most burn carbs is intense activity. When are people going to educate temselves that fat is not evil. Fat cells become dysfunctional when the liver gets dysfunctional from pure sugar and fat together. All diet related dyafunction begins from over consumption coupled with high insulin levels. The perfect coctail for a long slow death.
@@GregariousAntithesis Fat knocks out the cell's 3rd proton pump of the mitochondria, on top of that, the "good" polyunsaturated fats oxidize really quickly turning into the very toxic hydroxynonenal. We can make all the fat we need from fibre. Source, dr. Peter Rogers.
My experience, I am 57 yrs old i have been up and down like a yoyo in weight. I am 5'11 and weighed as high as 270lb. Been on all the diets out there. Two things are very important....Exercise, and your insulin levels! the problem for me on a Vegan diet i was always hungry "Carbs" "Insulin". I did lose body fat on the Keto diet got down to 235, but as much as i was working out and trying to reduce more caloric intake still was struggling to lose the fat! why? insulin resistance was the problem. So i gave the Carnivore "0" carb diet a try, I needed to try to get rid of the insulin in my blood that was causing inflammation in my body.. the first three weeks were tough my body was going through a change just eating meat and water going to the bathroom was a new experience to say the least! but after being on this way of eating i was down to 195lb with a 32" waist. Never felt this good in a very long time. lost all my cravings for any type of carbs in fact i only eat twice a day and im fine with it. for me "This is the way" I know everyone different. I really think the human body wants one thing or the other. all meat or all Veggies "not together" I hope this helps people look into it.
I echo this. We all may have evolved to respond better to a wfpbd or hflc. Not everyone thrives on the same diet. Find out what works for you and stick with it. Most of the issues people have with plants is inflammation. Such a varied diet plan gives opportunity for something that doesn't agree with you to be hidden. It can take years, if ever to figure it out. And whole grains are not as great as they are made out.
Yeah. I guess the problem starts when you add meat and dairy while eating rice and beans 😊. Instead of just looking at numbers it’s better to stick to one eating pattern. Some people might feel good with eating meat and dairy products and some might feel better with plant based diet. I myself was on keto/carnivore diet for 5 years, was not feeling great and sick most of the time. Switched to WFPB a year ago and feeling much better since. 😊
Thank you Chris. Your excellent, informative, entertaining content continually inspires me. Loved seeing your beautiful grandchildren and Annie looks amazing!
The thing all these studies or real life examples have in common is that they've eliminated or greatly reduced processed foods and foods high in added sugar and salt. As others have claimed to have turned their life around on keto, I have also done it on an organic, whole foods regimen with minimal meat. I lost nearly a third of my weight, multiple sizes, 32 BMI to 23, all blood test markers are optimal when I was previously pre- everything. I feel great and in better health than I was in high school. Just eat healthy food people, preferably organic, don't over consume, and either go to the gym or have an active lifestyle. Btw, I didn't step foot into a gym. I hiked, did calisthenics at home, worked in my backyard which has been totally converted to a food forest, and have a moderately active job.
Thanks! WFPB here (11 years, 68 yo). Also follow some of the aging research and noticed two relevant measurements which were a lot better in the PBLF group - BCAA and hsCRP. Generally both have been associated with longer lives when lower. Work from the Lamming Lab implicates isoleucine as the key BCAA to keep low. Also encouraged by ApoB delta and fiber difference (which was huge). Would have been nice to see kidney and liver function data as well as more hormone data but nevertheless very helpful.
Great work Peter. You are way older than me and it’s good to see wfpb lifestyle is helping you. I believe it is very sustainable for long term health benefits.
Sounds like hell particularly organ meats, which you probably need to get anything approaching reasonable nutrition. None of the carnists I know have ever eaten those because most people find the taste gross. Grocery bills are through the roof too.
@@RyanPalmer-fb8nn They think it's working for them. From reading some of what they write a lot of them have gut issues and diabetes and stuff, but they act like it's the ideal human diet because it manages the symptoms of those problems. The scary thing is that it could be managing those problems in a way that slowly ruins their health over time and keeps them from a diet that could do that and not lead to long-term consequences.
I live in Canada. What I am always perplexed by are the American scales for measuring things. I don’t understand why glucose is not universally the same scale. I understand cultural differences for stuff but why can’t we all be working with the same healthcare numbers without having to go back and forth to conversion tables? (Especially glucose) Not a conspiracy guy but - Somehow I suspect there are financial benefits somewhere in keeping people confused.
I did keto and 20 hour fasts everyday for 4 months. Lost 3 stone. I had no energy. Stopped keto because I had no energy to do anything but kept the fasting lifestyle and now I have energy I can workout which means I can get back the muscle I lost whilst on keto. It's processed foods we should avoid. Not any macronutrient. Lesson learnt.
Ive been vegan for about a decade, last few years Ive tasted animal products if I felt like it, twice a year or so - I dont like it. What is most fascinating for me, is that when I was eating only RAW vegan food for 6 weeks, I stopped being hungry and full. I realized that the feeling of being full from eating, has nothing to do with furfilled nutrient intake, the feeling of full only tells us that we have reached our limit for how much more food you can digest. Cooked food is harder to digest generally. This meant that the feeling of hunger was only from having malnutrition and finally having my digestive system ready to process more food. On raw food, I stopped being hungry, I stopped being full, I stoped being tiered or sleepy. This gave me space to eat according to my sober mind. I also went to bed because my sober mind knew that my body and mind needed restoration, no need to feel sleepy to access this neccesary sleep. Now I am back to try RAW food, but this time my goal is to gain muscle and perform in the gym. This I will do through sprouting 400g of mungbeans and beluga lentils everyday, activate 150g seeds and make a seed sauce from sesame seeds, hemp and sunflower seeds. As well as making protein bars with 70% hemp protein dehydrated with bananas and other protein dense dehydrated snacks. Some protein will also be added as chlorella with orange juice. This way I will maximize protein intake per calorie, and not over consume fat or carbonhydrate.
@@mikafoxx2717 So this would be different for different foods. Some raw foodists do eat beans and onions raw. But if we talk about lentils. Eating them dry and raw will will be hard to digest, soaking them, removes toxins and make the food more bioavailable. From soaking you can choose to cook with salt, without salt or to sprout them. From sprouting you can further juice, to crush all fibres. If you choose to cook, the fibres will break down, making them quicker to digest, but the bio-availability on the protein and enzymes will also be less, as these structures are broken down and need to be rebuilt in our body. So ultimately we can get more nutrients per calorie from raw food, especially if we chew well or juice it. If you have no intentions of chewing or juicing, you are probably getting more nutrients from cooking, instead of pooping out whole sprouts.
I’m not sure using a cgm if you’re not diabetic is pointless. Lower blood sugar correlates with less heart attacks in the normal range. I’m not diabetic but a few foods raise my blood sugar 60 points, and I’m glad to know which ones.
Probably the best TH-cam video that i have watched. You have finally proved to me what diet i should be eating and the world is being conned by highly paid spin-doctors. Confusion keeps the peasants in their place. Thank you, Thank you. Keep up your great work and I appreciate all your hard work reading all those technical reports. Victor
@@chattinglifestyle6008 Ketones can also feed cancer cells after awhile. I think what makes all the difference between vegan keto and nonvegan keto is that plants in vegan keto have more protective compounds that can help the body fight against cancer as well as other things like inflammation and infection in a way that has yet to be seen in and experienced from animal based foods. Animal based foods are very good at helping cells in the body grow and unfortunately that includes cancer cells.
@@chiyerano yes but it is the greens and Cruciferous veggies that are anti-angiogenic, etc not the legumes. My point is hi protein is not good in any diet. Why do vegan Keto in the first place when one has the results and sustainability with a well balanced WFPBD. The key to losing weight is not eating between meals: intermittent fasting. And a two meal plan has been proven to be best (PCRM has had a study supporting what some have advocated for a long time). Insulin peaks at 8 am, decreases in afternoon and platoes after 3 pm, not really working after 6 pm. We have to allow at least 4 hrs for digestion, 1-2 for rest and if we allow 6-8 then you get ketosis. And then 16-18 from last meal to next day and there you have it. Two meal plan, no snacking, last meal before 6 pm: Will lose weight. (And no chocolate - I learned that first hand)
@@chattinglifestyle6008 Plant protein from whole plant based foods has been shown to have very little if any effect on cancer. If you are referring to isolated plant proteins or animal protein then you have a point. Consider the source. Even a little bit of saturated fat in the diet is fine as long as it is mainly from whole plant based foods.
You made a point about not focusing on just one number, such as glucose. While glucose numbers are important, especially to diabetics, I would love to hear about the other aspect of added sugar, fructose.
The better test are fasting insulin and post eating insulin tolerance tests. Since plant chompers is eating only plants, that would include a ton of fruit, agave, honey and other "healthy" items which are full of fructose. Fructose can only be metabolized by the liver, but all vegan /veg influencers say fructose in its "natural" form is to be eaten with abandon (or as he would say "ad libitum"). They all say that T2D can be reversed in such a way
You know, I'm very unsettled about it... I eat quite a few nuts and seeds, very little oil (only if it's in some otherwise healthy dishes I sometimes buy). And I eat some avocados. And I have a few squares of 100% dark chocolate. But I'm really not sure what I'm doing is optimum. I'm currently wearing a continuous glucose monitor and seeing 130s blood sugar sometimes after a big meal and wonder what would happen if I was lower or higher fat.
I think that, as humans, have a margin, an sometimes body do wants fats. I do not think that there is any average difference statistically measurable in terms of longevity and long term health outcomes if someone is eating till 20% of calories from fat or something like that.
14:40 maybe you have time to make a video about the difference between blood sugar and insulin output. Generally, I think this is where the key differences are. From my perspective the goal should be to have use the least amount of insulin to prevent insulin resistance. Interestingly enough, there isnt a one to one correlation between insulin production and blood sugar levels. I dug down that hole when I tried to figure out why some people think potatoes are bad ("waaay to high" GI), but ended up finding a study that showed that even though your blood sugar might be higher, the insulin response in comparison to pasta ("good" GI food) is a lot lower, especially over time.
28 days isnt a study...its a social media challenge....wasnt until.my 5th month of carnivore I saw results....and a full year to come.off my 2 medications
Thank you for your work and your perspective. It is helpful and insightful. The use or abuse of language in nutrition and culture is fascinating. Hope you enjoyed your visits to Enchanted Forest , OMSI & Silver Falls State Park.
There is a difference between keto and carnivore and low carb. Carnivore and Vegan diets aren’t great for long term health; humans are omnivores no matter how many blood tests you do to confirm biases in a short term study. People have individual needs that might skew them more plant or animal based., but the Blue Zones studies seem to push towards more plant-based, but not solely plant-based diets. I tried a Vegan diet and in week 4 I had to add in some eggs daily because I was craving protein. I felt much better with this moderate, simple protein addition and did lose weight, however my goal was to find a healthy, anti-inflammatory diet (no gluten or dairy or nightshades). There are so many variations of anti-inflammatory diets (including carnivore). Losing fat isn’t the only health marker, we are preoccupied with it because obesity is such a problem. You also need to consider how much weight a person has to lose: less than 30 lbs and greater than 30 lbs - especially as it gets towards 75, 100+. I mostly follow Mark Hyman’s Pegan diet - a combo of Paleo and Vegan: plant forward, but including moderate protein. Also similar to The Wild Diet by Abel James with intermittent and some extended fasting. I still avoid gluten due to inflammatory issues. I was able to use calorie restriction when I only had 10-15 lbs to lose - quite easy; this was essentially closest to the current low fat diets. Unfortunately I didn’t know what normal diet to use afterwards or that gluten was an issue for me back then. Kevin Hall’s paper that you cited at 7:30 seems to point this out since he calls out that this is for obese individuals. The data at 9:40 on fat versus muscle loss on LC versus LF diets is interesting, but this study was in the absence of exercise modifications. Insulin resistance is an issue for many and exercise with the exclusion of refined carbohydrates (not necessarily LC) would both work to reduce insulin’s negative effects. Dr. Mark Huberman is a neuroscientist to check out for brain effects from diet and exercise; he uses exogenous ketones to enhance cognitive function, but eats like an omnivore with some intermittent fasting. The studies looked at in your overview didn’t seem to include any time-restricted eating. This has been a key marker of health for me.
So..., large study ? The Italians are the leanest and oldest in europe with 83,8 years, the diabetic rate is 5,3% vs 11,3 in US (with older population in Italy...), obesity rank world is 106.... the deaths from heartdisease (world rank 169...) are the second lowest in europe ( first is france...) . Italians consume ~ 45 -48% carbs, 40% FAT (2/3 from animal source), the average consumption per capita/day is 216 g meat, 60 g cheese, 670 ml milk, 7g butter, 31 g egg, 77 g fish, 30 ml oliveoil + other oils, they consume 100 + g animal protein/day. The lower the better cholesterol is not true...the largest cohort ever study with 12,8 millions, a korean study ( in line with other studies...) did show a U curve relation with all cause mortality, the sweet spot for total cholesterol is between 210 -250, the same with LDL, sweet spot with lowest mortality is at ~ 140. Examples are the "France" paradox, consuming high fat, very low heart disease...or the japanese paradox, the japanese have higher average cholesterol than the US but ~ 1/3 of deaths...7% of deaths in japan are heartdisease...I guess the lowest in world rank...one of the highest death rates from heart disease are in Afghanistan, Egypt, Syria....etc..(8-9 fold than in france...) all countries consuming large amounts of white bread (1 pound +) and low fat/protein/vegetables... "Changes in lipoprotein(a), oxidized phospholipids, and LDL subclasses with a low-fat high-carbohydrate diet" Randomized Controlled Trial J Lipid Res pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20713651/ "Low-fat diets have been shown to increase plasma concentrations of lipoprotein(a) [Lp(a)], a preferential lipoprotein carrier of oxidized phospholipids (OxPLs) in plasma, as well as small dense LDL particles. We sought to determine whether increases in plasma Lp(a) induced by a low-fat high-carbohydrate (LFHC) diet are related to changes in OxPL and LDL subclasses" "The increases in plasma Lp(a) levels after the LFHC diet were also correlated with decreases in medium LDL particles (P < 0.01) and increases in very small LDL particles (P < 0.05). These results demonstrate that induction of increased levels of Lp(a) by an LFHC diet is associated with increases in OxPLs and with changes in LDL subclass distribution that may reflect altered metabolism of Lp(a) particles." ....What I read here...an increase in LDL particle number and an increase in small diameter LDL particles.... "...the concentration of cholesterol (passengers) inside of the lipoproteins (cars), which is not the driving factor behind plaque formation and heart disease. Instead, what should be measured is the number of LDL particles in your blood." chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-why-everyone-should-know-their-ldl-particle-number/
Just the info I needed. As a critical care RN, seeing ppl coming to the Cath lab, and favoring a plant based diet, I recently started questioning plant based versus popular keto. Of course who doesn’t want to eat chicken thighs with skin, bacon, steaks, cheese, eggs,,, and want to drop a few pounds. Sounds wonderful. But I still can’t see how oatmeal, fiber, beans (I love lentil taco meat) is bad. But do think we need to cut out processed breads,,, work in progress.
I would bet the problem most plant based people have is constantly eating fee oils while avoiding butter, lard, and cream when they stray from no their diets. We all do treat ourselves and I think that’s where the problem lies for vegans especially.
the oats and beans are good for extremely poor people who work all day not most americans. I keto for 6moths and have finally added potatoes and more fruit past 2 months only because I want to train harder on 2 eating widows while gaining then prolong fast 1 day a week. went from obese to ripped in that short of time cause fasting and clean animals foods. I Don’t care about studies or science
@@googanslayer6675 you can loss weight with keto, it makes your body burn stored fat since your not taking in carbs, that’s true. It’s the long term effects of high saturated fats that’s the problem. It will clog your arteries, that’s a fact.
Anti-nutriënts. Particularly metal uptake inhibitors. Fe, Zn, Cu levels serum levels can drop precipitously or zero out after eating if you compare meat. Vs. Meat plus rice/beans/grains. Clear sign of those not being absorbed in the gut.
Great video, but after decades of struggling with weight, animal based makes me feel the best and makes me the leanest. No more "hangry" carb withdrawals. Eat once a day and I'm set. Keep up the good work though. I appreciate learning both sides. Would love your take on Malcolm Kendrick's work.
You must not be related to Joel I take it :)? I do the nutritarian diet and feel incredible. No judgment to others who eat meat, but I changed for my hormones and it makes a huge difference with everything including my energy level.
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"Do you have time for an 8 hour episode?". Chris, if you made 8 hours of content, and it was half as engaging as this presentation, I would gobble all 8 hours!
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Same!!
Agreed! Would definitely have time for such an 8 hour episode.
Good episode. I enjoy every one. I usually watch 2-3 times (sometimes more) to understand because there is SO much information in each episode.
I do have more questions now:
Triglycerides weren’t mentioned and were higher in the low fat group. Why?
What about more insulin? In your Diabetes episode, it was the two together that showed true glucose intolerance? Can you expound that context of this study?
Also, risk, you say double of risk, but how much of a RISK is that? For those of us who haven’t had a course in statistics, double of an an unknown risk is still unknown. Is the original risk 1 in 100? 1 in 2000? One in a million? I unfortunately need a science-speak to English translation here.
On a (somewhat) unrelated request for future videos, can you do a video on the green Mediterranean diet? I’d love to see your thoughts on this.
Kevin Hall really needs to write a book. How can your fans get on the bandwagon to get him to write it? Can you be a co-author?? Inquiring minds want to know. :)
It might take me a few sessions to watch it, but I definitely would. Can you imagine how long it would take poor Chris to film it???
"So my total cholesterol went from 207-277.' So that is about the same ." He said that with a straight face & all. Clearly, he missed his calling. Should've been a politician instead .
Because he knows what he’s talking about and you don’t
I just got back home from holiday. I went from 192 to 201 lbs. Which is about the same, so I'm real happy about that 😊
LOL!
Love it!
Lol! 😂😂😂
A mere 5% increase. Non significant lol
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Just at the beginning, but when I heard total cholesterol of 277 is the same as 207 I literally exclaimed, “WHAT!?” and then when I heard 136 to 201, I exclaimed, “IN WHAT WORLD!?”.
EDIT: Made it further into the video - super interesting, especially considering my latest video on hunger and keto. I’ll need to look over the data again!
I think Dr Ekberg misspoke and shame on his editing .... In the past he has said that his cholesterol scores are above 250. TGL and HDL were about 100 and his LDL was "elevated" at 180. He said those were his normal levels
@@gcs7817 That makes a lot more sense, i was pretty confused when i saw that, lol...
Protein has the highest satiety
I know you! 😮
Your humor, editing are amazing !!! Please, please if possible make a health documentary!! It’s your calling!! At least a 30 minute long series. Please!!
"My total cholesterol went from 207 to 277 which is about the same." 🤣 I laughed out loud so hard after this. How can these guys be this out of touch with reality? Well, whatever you have to do to stick to your untruthful views of reality.. 🤷♂
Seriously!! It’s like me saying “officer I was only going 7 miles over the speed limit” vs. “I was going 77 miles over the speed limit.” 😂😂
The guy smoked too much cracks I guess.
Me too, scared the dogs I laughed so loud; awesome clip exposing the b.s. of Keto/Paleo, etc.
Don't forget the most important LDL from 136 to 201 being ''the same''. I was like - are we looking at the same numbers? 🤣🤣🤣 Seriously this is so ridiculous.
@@Kristers_K when I read that line, I knew this is full of crap. Can't believe I followed this guy for a year.
This is one of the best channels on TH-cam. The production is excellent. The way you weave the info together and correct mistakes as you find them.
It’s a 10 from me. 🤩
I am the study. I’ve lost three sizes and Ive healed my gut my arthritis. In my asthma by not eating plants. Not going back. Beef butter, bacon, and eggs. At 64. I’ve never felt better.
you seem to be happy. but what about the animals that are frightened and fearful in the slaughterhiouse, no matter how 'nicely' they are raiseed?. It is a very linear issue with some humans, my needs get met. Have you ever worked in a slaughterhouse?
@@rachelgoodkind6545 Animals eat us at any chance they get, they don't get emotional about it and neither do we need. Even cats and dogs can eat their owners if the owners happen to die and nobody comes for them, has happened thousands of times.
@@diceymaan And some humans are mass murderers and do not get emotional, including Stalin, Chairman Mao, idi amin and others. That does not mean we need to follow their lead and victimize animals, it however is a personal choice. And some humans lack the emotions and compassion to empathize with the animals they eat.
@@diceymaan using the extreme nature of wild animals to justify your views is insane. So what if animals kill humans or other animals? Do we need to be like them to prosper? Last time I checked war and violence amongst humans is a bad thing, so why should we continue it just because animals kill other animals. Animals rape other animals too. Does that mean we should follow in their footsteps? I only hope you answer this with logic and morality in mind and remember to leave your ego and emotions out of it.
@@organicjoe6568 What we should or should not do is a philosophical and moral question without a right answer. It's dependent on Zeitgeist.
As a 2 1/2 year carnivore it took me a good 3 to 6 months to become fully fat adapted and my ketone levels stayed high so I’m pretty sure that my clear brain zero brain fog depression and anxiety gone are benefiting me on a ketogenic diet.
A comment like that won't get you a ❤ on this channel.
Good god you carnivore's sound so hollow. Anxiety gone, ok, would you like a cookie? Anything about any type of body specific readings, such as cholesterol, plaque build up, etc? No? Just the very common anecdotal, brain fog gone = superhuman diet. So fucking dumb lol.
Obviously didn’t understand the studies
yes but you have signed up for dying 10-20 years earlier, with various deseases. Are you sure is that how you want to end your life?
@@giulias.5104 What a stupid thing to say?
The backgrounds, your family members, the interviewed experts, and especially the video content are always so entertaining, great job!
I've never seen a cooler grandpa and TH-camr, thanks so much for another awesome video, Chris! 🌱
This ignores the studies published by the acc, Ada, and aha, showing that high serum cholesterol and dietary saturated fat are not good indicators of health risk. ApoB IS, and LDLs and apob are NOT similar.
Are you kidding bro? The acc, ada and aha are all funded by meat and beverage industry. How gullible do you have to be to trust them.
Also your HDL-triglycerides ratio.
I didn't know this either:
"Satiety and satiation are related terms that are often used interchangeably, but they actually refer to different aspects of the feeling of fullness and satisfaction after eating.
Satiety refers to the feeling of fullness and satisfaction that persists after a meal and suppresses hunger and the desire to eat again. It is a longer-term feeling that relates to the overall energy balance of the body and can last for several hours after a meal.
Satiation, on the other hand, refers to the feeling of fullness and satisfaction that occurs during a meal and signals the end of eating. It is a shorter-term feeling that relates to the immediate sensory experience of eating, such as the taste and texture of food.
In summary, satiation is the feeling of fullness and satisfaction *during* a meal that makes you stop eating, while satiety is the feeling of fullness and satisfaction *after* a meal that helps you maintain a healthy energy balance by reducing hunger and the desire to eat."
(From ChatGPT)
Thanks for that, it makes sense to me, now, I couldn't follow watching the video.
I think we all learned some new vocabulary words today!
@@natalietannerblogger-theed9419 The words I had already known, it's just the nuance difference between the two I didn't.
Can one have too much satiety? I'm usually only a little hungry once a day, if even that. Was the hormone grehlin mentioned in the vid? I didn't watch it all.
Thank you for your content! This video came up on my TH-cam recommendations, and the timing of it was perfect. I was 2 days into my latest low carb diet run and watching your videos convinced me to give it up. So instead cooking up bacon and eggs this morning, it's steel cut oatmeal and wild blueberries.
While I thought a high carb low fat diet was probably healthier for me, I could never get my mind to fully commit to the diet. But the way you structured and edited your videos really helped me believe your message over all the videos i've seen promoting keto / low carb diets.
Great video -- love the editing and the length and depth of and information shared!!
Thank you! I put more time and effort into this one than any other, because I thought the topic was so important.
This is the complicated but exceptionally explained we need more of.
😮 since when is a 48% increase (LDL from 136 to 201) staying the same??
I can't get enough of your videos .... sometimes i just want to call you to tell you to hurry up and release more ,more ,more ....
Thank you Cris ...you are national treasure..
When he said his numbers were the same (after eating those eggs) I was drinking tea and I have never been closer to doing a spit take in my life. We need spit take warnings!!! But seriously… completely nuts! Thank you for the videos! You and Dr Gil are my favorite go-to nutrition channels. You are very entertaining and yet scientific, who knew that was even possible!
Yeah when he said "basically the same" I instantly heard in my mind, "one of these things is not like the other."
@@effervescentrelief 😂 he must have not watched Sesame Street.
Oh, his LDL had only gone up 50% in 7 days. Wait a minute, …
:-O
@@nonfictionone it’s just irresponsible for this man to use his platform to blatantly say inaccuracies. I know he is a “doctor” and I truly believe people are capable of understanding things without a degree HOWEVER he (and Dr Berg) make grave mistakes when speaking on a LOT of topics and people are listening and believing them primarily because they sound knowledgeable and they are doctors. I’m saddened that this could be causing harm. Thank you to PlantChompers for making this usually unconsumable science highly palatable for those of us who just want good info so we can feel confident that we are making informed decisions!! You always hear doctors say, don’t look it up on the internet and my reply to that is: well are you going to tell me what I need to know? I can’t afford university! But I can read and listen. I’ll happily follow medical advice but it takes me two to six months to get an appointment that lasts ten minutes. And then I get sent to four different specialists that treat one part of the body and don’t communicate with one another. By educating myself somewhere, maybe at least I have better questions to ask these very distant medical professionals when I see them.
Yes he's good, but Dr Gil is too chicken sh1t to call out the MD quacks promoting deadly carnivore diet to ignorant laymen like ken berry. He only picks on the DC's. 🙄
My exam test scores in first exam is 87/100 and 42/100 in final exam. I told my mom nothing to worry about because its about the same. Love you Mom❤❤❤
❤I love your videos! You're so wise and your explanations are clear and entertaining! I enjoy watching your family members participating in your videos! So sweet!❤
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Nice! As someone who has eaten mostly plant based for five years, but who occasionally falls off the meat wagon, I can tell you that I can notice the negative affects on my body as soon as a few hours. Before I started, I had acne, inflammation in my back and joints, ED, and explosive bathroom episodes. Two weeks of nothing but plants (with homemade baked french fries no oil as my main go to for curbing cravings) literally cured all those symptoms. No more acne, no more inflammation, #2 Lincoln logs in the morning like clockwork, and improved bedroom performance. Since then, my body has become extremely sensitive to eating what would be considered a normal western diet. I think it's just because I know what healthy feels like. Many people are suffering, and they don't even know it. If they do know it, they assume it's just ageing or genetics, and they turn to doctors and pills to treat the symptoms. Yep, they treat the symptoms, but they don't treat the cause. Great video, my man - keep it up!
Glad it worked for you. I was vegetarian for 6 years and 1 year vegan. At first it was no problem for me but after a few years I realized I was getting weaker and got achy joints and I lost weight altough I was training regularly. I tried pretty much every diet in the last 10 years and wrote a masters thesis on intermittent fasting. In the end going back to an animal based diet worked really good for me. Lot of people eat a lot of s*** when they say that they eat meat but you should really focus on minced beef e.g. as most meat dishes in studies are also a "salami pizza" where there is barely any meat on it. I do only eat higher amount of carbs when I train. Actually I just wanted to say what works for me, might not work for others. Everybody got to try how they feel when they eat certain foods, that's the only way to really find it out. Cheers!
@@Arternis Good for you, and I'm glad you found something that works for you. The Petersons certainly seem to be doing well too. I look at it from a perspective of what can I not live without. I can definitely live without cheese, milk and meat. If I had to give up beer, bread, or fruit, I don't think I could hack it.
@@Arternis Many so-called vegetarians or vegans do not eat a whole food balanced "diet". Many "vegetarians" load up on dairy and chees, known to cause arthritis and other problems. Of course they experience health problems, but usually blame the "diet" not their food choices. Cheers.
@@davidjones-wr3pg Seems absolutely reasonable to me. I am constantly trying to reintroduce foods into my diet to make it as variable as possible :). I love certain beans that are traditional in my area but I am not doing well when eating them so I cut them out most of the time but when I do eat them I do it on purpose. For me it's like the glass of alcohol here and there with friends. The only "diet" that you will stick to is the one you enjoy! All the best!
I’ve had the exact opposite effects.
Was veg/vegan for 5 years and was suffering daily.
I’ve always been active in MMA and working as a chef.
Once I stopped eating vegan food and switched to steak and eggs, all of my issues went away in 5 days.
I suffered from fatigue, inflammation, acne, stomach issues, insomnia, hair loss, inability to keep weight(135)( now I’m 175)and bleeding gums.
Everything has healed and
I’ve kept healthy weight.
Every time I eat gluten or dark greens I feel it in 4 hours.
Inflammation and stomach problems.
My guess is people have to find what works for them and not be so rigid or cultish about food 😅
Really enjoyed this episode… so eye opening… I had no idea about the Inuit’s mutation , keto doctors reference them so much…..you are my hero ❤
I think this is the video I first stumbled upon that not only got me addicted to your channel but also got me to understand and take seriously my high LDL problem. My LDL was up at 167 four years ago not long after I became vegetarian. I didn't do anything about it. Two years later it dropped only to 156, and I was prescribed a statin, which I didn't take because I wanted to fix it myself... Only life got too busy with a new baby and I didn't really do much. But this video got me thinking about it again, and started my path to learning a lot more. Finally got another blood test this week and LDL is down to 107 without ever having taken a statin drug. I've only recently just made some much bigger changes so I'm excited to see how much more I can drop it in a few months. As a bonus I'm also down 25lbs and only 5 more away from my very slim high school weight.
Thanks so much for waking me up with this video and for all I've learned from all your other videos since. I and my family are sincerely grateful for it.
Ive just recently started eating 2 good meals a day within about 7 to 8 hours. Lots of fresh veggies, spuds, chicken & fish & some fruit each day. Occasionally bread & rice & pasta, but not huge amounts. kind of everything in moderation.
The BEST thing I did was make 2 rules for myself. No added sugar to anything I eat and, stop eating at 7pm. Nada. Finish! No crap while I'm watching TV at night.
I cook from scratch & use yummy olive & avocado oil with the odd knob of butter. It's a delicious healthy mediterranean, leaning diet with some milk & eggs some days. So far 8 kgs have just dropped off me.
If I am truthful, the food that I am eating now is pretty close to what I ate before. I've always eaten good quality fruit, vegetables and nuts and high-fiber foods BUT I have decreased the amount I eat and now have a start & finish time and dont just endlessly graze and eat unnecessary calories. Also, get rid of sugar, It's unbelievably fattening
Basically what I'm doing as well! I am glad and I hope I can keep working on my prediabetes this way. Just got diagnosed in October, but I'm sticking to no added sugars on anything and a nice self-cooked Mediterranean diet, with 16:8 intermittent fasting, whole ingredients mostly. In this short time being aware of added sugars on so many things has been eye-opening!! 😮
I bet you didnt last a month on this diet 🤣
Feel free to make longer videos 🤗
I love your videos so much ❤
You have an amazing family.. bless you guys..
I don't eat a lot of processed stuff (just not interested cuz they make me feel terrible) ...but I'm vegan for animals!
im carnivore but i also feel bad for the animals. its just a necessary evil i suppose. humans suffer far more than animals though so you cant feel too bad.
"You're vegan for animals"? You're a delusional virtue signaller, good for you!!!.... go read former vegan activist Lierre Keiths book....There is NOTHING you eat for which something has not died....
Love your content, Chris. So valuable to have voices speaking up for science and against quackery. Many will still fall for the quackery, but you, sir, are doing more than your part to bring good science to the public. Bravo 🎉to you!
Great video as always. Can't wait for the interview with Dr. Bulsiewicz!
Im no doctor, but I'm pretty sure 207 isnt the same as 277...
Who cares explains and prove that’s anything worse than the other
I do not beleive anyone I see online is thriving on animal based diets. I literally felt like I might die on the keto diet and suffered ketoacidosis and low blood sugar so bad I couldn’t get up. Eating a banana gave me life. There’s no way people live like that .
It's how your ancestors lived for hundreds of thousands of years
@@yingyang1008 couple million years at least.
@@yingyang1008😂😂😂
@@Jodie-masterson feel free to list what carbs you would eat living in a forest in Europe
Remember you are living outside and it's freezing cold half the year and you need at least 3000 kcal for you and tens of thousands more kcal for your dependents
@@yingyang1008 🤣
According to Dr. Paul Saladino, glucose intolerance in ketogenic diets are due to cells that can take in ketones, preferring ketones as the energy source rather than glucose, as long as the fat fuel is available, and thereby leaving elevated glucose in the blood and give the appearance of insulin resistance. I would like to see the glucose test performed on someone who is on a keto diet where they regularly have a post-prandial insulin spike due to adequate intake of protein per meal, not the "stay in ketosis even during meals" version of keto.
Or the glucose test performed on someone that has just done steady state cardio and/or HIIT to test how well glycogen stores that were depleted soak up the elevated blood sugar.
As for LDL cholesterol, the study with coconut oil and pigs is suspect if the pig feed was primarily starchy grains. Chronically high insulin due to meal frequency and blood sugar spikes wear down the arterial wall, while causing the liver to not recycle small LDL particles into larger forms, allowing these small particles to stay in the blood and enter the gaps of the arterial wall created by insulin (and insulin resistance) remaining in the blood for prolonged periods of time to lower blood sugar. (Randle Cycle) These small LDL particles then get oxidized in the arterial wall, attacked by white blood cells, and plaque is then formed.
The original study decades ago, for LDL cholesterol utilized a diet that consisted of 30% net carbohydrates and labeled that "Low carb" when that is approximately 150g's of carbohydrates based on a 2kcal diet. That is too high to be considered a low carbohydrate diet, and due to the Randle Cycle, too many carbohydrates and saturated fat will cause triglyceride levels to rise if exercise (both cardio and strength training) aren't used to help utilize the blood glucose and potential fat fuel.
Furthermore, ketogenic omnivorous diets can make use of monounsaturated fats (from avocado, avocado oil, nuts, seeds, olives and olive oil) to supplement their fat intake. Monounsaturated fat is shown not to raise LDL cholesterol. As well as stearic acid.
If you're going to have net carbohydrates in your diet, fiber becomes necessary (soluble) to blunt the blood glucose spike. Insoluble fiber can also help with blunting fat absorption(good for cholesterol control) and protein absorption(not good). Without many carbs in the diet, fiber isn't necessary at all.
@kenshinhan - great response. I tried to respond on similar lines but either I am blocked (not surprised) or I might have mentioned Dave Feldman site name for cholesterol study and group of citizen scientists so it might have been deleted. Looks like the episode clearly lacks the knowledge of gluconeogenesis and the dawn effects. There’s also no corresponding graph of insulin level. Besides I am also interested in looking at several vitamins levels esp the fat soluble ones. There’s no data provided.
Something to consider on caloric density and satiation is that cultures who traditionally eat very rich foods (french) do so slowly and in a social setting. So taking people who are used to eating food extremely fast (americans) will offer different results than people who eat slowly in terms of satiation. In my opinion at least.
The French Paradox of the French being in good health despite High amounts of fat, turned out to be a hoax: if I remember rightly: they fiddled the heart disease data (reported to the EU or WHO). Basically they reported no increase in heart disease over a period of time after the advent of cheap animal products (I.e. increase in consumption of these) with the onset of factory farming. But that period of time was not enough for the long term cardiovascular problems to become evident. They also reduced the number of adverse events by 10%! I know France pretty well and there are plenty of pill-poppers and obesity from my observations. Not as much as in the USA although that is not saying much!
@@spiral-m I agree, and I wouldn't argue they're the healthiest example. Just specifically that eating slowly and in a social setting affects satiation when consuming dense foods would change the quantity consumed. It is true that people in the US consume food much faster than worldwide averages, and putting them on a high fat diet is going to lead to overeating in most instances.
@@lastharvest4044 restaurant meals in France tend to be MUCH smaller that the US, too.
I am French and we know that it takes 30’ to the brain to receive a satiation signal…useless to try eating faster, you will end up eating after for not feeling satiated.
Oh my, I'm biased in favor of keto (perhaps not decades uninterupted), but I have two points to make, which I think are free from that bias:
1) Keto doesn't always mean low fiber. The types of vegetables prefered on keto often have plenty of fiber. And if people bake then there is also for example psyllium, oat fiber and coconut flour. I ate more vegetables after I started keto than before, even though only a certain amount was allowed (I admit my eating habits before were poor).
So while vegan low-fat surely wins over keto in terms of amount and variety of fiber, keto can contain enough fiber.
2) The calorie rich foods do make it easier to have a much higher intake when a person isn't counting their calories. And you even explain why. With the calorie (and fat) intake of the LC group, it's a proof that keto works, that they lost any body fat at all, when based on calories alone, they should have been gaining it. This excess intake also explains the blood tests results of this study. And elevated uric acid - how much meat were they consuming? Keto done right improves metabolic markers in the blood.
Most people on keto, if they are on it to lose weight, DO watch their calories. And on keto the calorie restriction doesn't cause hunger, even if satiation isn't effective on it's own to keep the calories low or reasonable. Even if they stop counting, they DO know to keep the portions smaller.
I think I remember seeing studies where the same calorie intakes on LC and LF diets were compared and then keto WAS the more effective option for losing body fat.
PS: Which group enjoyed their food more? That's also important for a sustainable nutrition style.
Which group enjoy their food more? As I eat a bigger and bigger diversity of vegan food, the average omnivore meat based diet seems so boring. It’s not that it is restrictive, it is that it becomes a lazy diet by habit.
What were the links to studies you thought you remembered?
I believe the vegan diet that Kevin Hall used in the study was also filled with refined carbs (white rice, white pasta etc) which makes the positive results even more interesting.
That's true. I should have mentioned that.
(I don't promote ketogenic diets or very low carb diets. Hypocaloric diets with low inflammatory agents tend to reduce insulin exposure and A1C fastest regardless of the macro breakdown). Glucose tolerance tests are contraindicated as diagnostic for people who have been on a low carb diet because glycolytic enzyme synthesis is suppressed when insulin levels are chronically low. In addition, the muscles load with free fatty acids in lieu of some glycogen, so the muscle cells remain "loaded" and there is less room to take on glucose, in addition to the pancreatic response to glucose being blunted (as the doctor indicated). We KNOW however that low insulin exposure reduces the disposal of glucose at the cellular level because emerging type 1 diabetics often have a reduction in insulin needs after a few weeks of insulin therapy. I mean we absolutely know that newly diagnosed type 1 diabetics HAVE glucose in their muscle cells, but aren't burning them. In a hypocaloric situation, ketogenic diets don't produce as profound a spike with a glucose tolerance test. It has been shown to reverse within 2-3 days of eating over 25% carbs. Insulin actually increases insulin sensitivity in the short term by stimulating synthesis of glycolytic enzymes. Keep in mind that while high glucose levels (140+) can destroy beta cells, insulin exposure is regarded by researchers as the primary mechanism of the development of insulin resistance at the cellular level. The pancreas' ability to produce and release insulin is not equivalent to insulin resistance but is often misinterpreted as being so.
Here's the problem. Work with type 1 diabetics have shown that on a per carb gram basis, starches that have low GI, like al dente pasta and legumes actually require 150-200% as much insulin to manage over an extended period of time of 8-12 hours. The rise in glucose is very slow, but much of the glucose from those carbs is released and absorbed in a very delayed fashion as the fiber and intrinsic proteins are broken down, and it appears that there may even be sensors in the large intestine that sense the presence of "bulk" or stretch, and trigger the pancreas to release glucagon which raises blood sugar, and requires extra insulin to counteract. There is no doubt that high gluten pasta requires more insulin on a carb gram basis than carbs with less fiber and associated proteins. The gluten forms a gelatinous covering around starch granules that causes the delay and also the glucagon release signal. Harvard has confirmed this with high gluten wheat products.
(I wanted to add that excessive fructose gets turned into liver fats which can make the liver insulin resistant, and fructose (and alcohol) also yields uric acid that also causes insulin resistance so basically you have three options for carbs:
1) Fructose yielding sugars-see Uric acid and fatty liver.
2) Slow digesting glucose polymers like beans and some grains which provoke glucagon release, demanding more insulin to manage and
3) Easily digested glucose polymers like rice, potato and yams and a few other sources like plantain and tapioca that don't provoke gut irritation leading to glucagon release or possibly other mechanisms of spiking blood sugar in a delayed fashion, however, these starches provoke a fast increase in blood sugar that may be above the euglycemic range. This can be blunted by combining with cellulose and resistant starch, protein and fat, or by consuming around activity. I've seen people drink 75 grams of glucose polymers during a 1 hour workout and not had their blood sugar go much over 100.
See, this is real biological science. Thank you for such an informed comment.
I LOVE and look forward to your videos!! I’ve been keto for 4 years and had much weight loss but at what cost?? Thank you for the eye opening fact based information!! I know it’s time to go plant base for many reasons!
I switched from lower carb for many years after being fairly convinced by “paleo” experts (some with PhDs). Eventually I suffered symptoms that I attribute to this style of eating. Now I’m upping the carbs and discarding the animal products.
@@MichaelHplus If I may ask, what symptoms did you suffer from?
Probably didnt up your electrolytes, my blood pressure was staying below 90/70 with a heart rate over 140. All because of low sodium, potassium and magnesium. Completely normalized after making my own electrolyte drink. Problem is most people don't recognize just how much added crap you dont need is in garbage food but also other stuff that is critical like electrolytes. No junk food your salt i take goes to mostly zero from well close to 3000mg a day or higher on garbage. Considering the body uses the electrolytes for the electrical signaling its obvious why they are so critical especially to heart function.
Check out dr. Peter Rogers aswell, he'll explain what fat does to your cell's mitochondria, you really shouldn't want it anymore.
So you can be bloated, fart like a trooper and destroy your intestines with all that useless unnecessary and indigestible fibre. I guarantee you’ll be back to eating meat in less than 3 years.
"Do you have time for an 8 hour episode?" YES please :)
I`m 72 and there is way more to it than this. On keto all my aches and pains go away, my large prostate problems disappear, and I have more energy. I do eat a nice salad every day but meat is big in my diet. I tend to eat a lot less and do not have cravings on Keto. You can`t believe a lot of studies he refers to as they are done by Vegans or the food industry. It is a fact that most vegans are protein deficient. It is also a fact that many veggies cause digestive problems and lots of allergic reactions. It is not necessary to eat high fat on Keto.
@francescalevine8735 I dare say 90% of knee, hip and shoulder replacement/surgeries would not be needed if the patient went Keto. About 5 years ago I went to the doc with a sore knee and after xrays he told me I have 'old man's knee', the cartilege was just worn out. Well after taking it easy on it for awhile and going Keto it started getting better and better. Now 5 years later on Keto I walk 2 hours a day on it and can even do some running, with no pain. Again, I am 72 so anyone can do this.
@francescalevine8735 way back when I was entering my 50s I started getting all kinds of aches and pains and I really started dreading getting old, no one had told me about this! I went to the doc for shoulder, knee, wrist and more pains with no relief. It was not until I was around 69 and went Keto that I turned it all around.
Every single natural, whole foods diet on the planet is low carb. High carbs are processed foods (which includes breads and other flour products) and sugar; eliminate them and you too are on a low-carb diet. Will you go into Ketosis? Maybe. Sometimes. Which is probably the way you're meant to live. For example, if you eat meat and vegetables--as much as you want of either--you're super low carb and you probably bounce in and out of Ketosis. If you run across some fruit and each a bunch of it, you'l be out of Ketosis but you probably can't do that every day or even every week.
Yeah I agree - our ancestors in the northern hemisphere would have eaten plenty fruits and plants during the summer months and relied more on meat during winter, in ketosis during periods of hunger when food sources were lacking or during winter when forage options were leaner. I’m in the north of the UK and often look at what my ancestors would have ate during the seasons. It definitely wasn’t plants all year round.
Congratulations on the new grand baby. Adorable full head of hair...
i am always looking up books to read after your videos :-)
I think it's really hard to eat a lot of fat when you are not used to it, so it probably has something to do with the gut microbiome. I used to feel VERY satiated on small amounts of fat before I got used to it. It's easier to eat it now, after some training.
Bile
So true, after eating low fat plant based for many years, eating out can literally make me gag with all the added fat. Also, I wonder if populations of our ancestors eating a high or low fat diets in certain locations can effect our genetics, as per the example of the Innuits. Like Chris, I have familial high cholesterol, and it kept getting higher. Even eating no animal products at all it was over 300! Frustrating as I hate taking drugs! Yet my neighbor who has a horrible diet and eats mostly fast food had a reading of 170! Crazy!
@@CharGC123 From what I've read, the Innuit had pretty high cholesterol, but the thing keeping it from sky rocketting was probably exercise. Nowadays they are as bad off as everyone else on fatty, fiber lacking foods. Familial hypercholesterolemia is genetic, of course, but on a population level very few populations have been so isolated that there are any major genetic differences between them and others. The fact that humans are fundamental plant eaters remains strong in the Innuit, even after thousands of years of heavy meat eating. It's not just any meat eating though, they have very special foods and techniques to be able to survive on their diet. Sorry about your fam, chol., but you know what to do, and sometimes even a statin can be necessary.
@@carinaekstrom1 Even statins couldn't get it down sufficiently, trying Repatha. Just wondering if it worth the cost and aggravation at 70!
@@CharGC123 I see your point, but 70 is not very old, at least it shouldn't be. There are many things you could try though, if you want to avoid statins. Sleep and exercise are important of course, shifting out certain foods, etc. Keep trying 🙂.
Another great video, I'm always stoked when a new video of yours pops up!
stick of butter i almost threw up ,seeing that
LDL: 136 to 201, the same
Imagine seeing a tiny grandma who is 136 cm tall, and a 201 cm basketball player, and thinking to yourself... It's about the same, lol.
Great, now im even more confused than before. I ate healthy all my life, mostly unprocessed food, almost never drank anything but water.
For about 10 years my digestion doesn't seem to work at all, i wake up after sleeping for 8 hours and feel like i haven't slept for 3 days, i sit on the toilet for half an hour and nothing happens, but im not constipated, its just a lot of air.
I walk up 10 stairs and feel like i have run a marathon, and wan't to just lay down and sleep. I have no motivation to do anything because everything is just to much work in that state.
I have brainfog 24/7 and feel like i can't think straight. Im also in a bad mood almost all the time and feel like nothing i do makes any sense.
Then i heard of carnivore diet, and tried it. I instantly got back my energy, i am motivated again, my brain works like it should.
I lost like 6kgs in 3 weeks, and i have no digestive issues anymore.
But as soon as i just eat one thing that is plant based, or even a peace of bread, the next day im back to were i was before, because my digestion fks up my sleep and im back to sitting on the toilet for hours again.
Like, what the hell am i supposed to do?
I also have done tests over night for my sleep , an my doctor told me everything is alright.
My blood tests are also always fine, except for vitamin D deficiency, which almost everyone seems to have.
Check out the video on this channel called “Can water-only fasting heal most diseases”. Fasting can reset your body & clear the buildup of all kinds of crap. Imagine you have a high performance car and you gave it the higher quality oil and gas, inevitably you’d eventually have to change the oil and the gas filter. No matter how good was or is your diet, there are other toxins, plastics, stress, bad sleep and everything else that weighs us down, then we get weird allergies and reactions to foods. A long fast is like taking the car apart and cleaning the insides of the engine and all other parts. Then you put it together and it runs like new.
This channel is like a shining light in the dark of night. 💡🔦🕯️
My absolute favorite things to see when I get off of work are my wife, cats, and then new plant Chompers vids
It’s just off work . 😊
How exactly do you create sustainable agriculture, fertilizer without ruminant animals?
That's not a more or less trained pancreas that affected the glucose tolerance test. It was the fatty blood in the LC diet that caused insuline resistance. It is explained in detail on Liver Rescue by Anthony William.
The Triglycerides (fat circulation in the blood) went down even more in the study stated above, it's happened every time in keto diet.
I enjoy every video you make. You don't convince me scientifically that vegan is better than keto more than Sten Ekberg convinces me of the opposite, but the confusing mix of facts and opinions you subject me to makes me struggle with these questions, and that's a good step in the right direction. Keep up the good work, brother.
I _am_ OCD like you! And I sure do love your videos! Keep up the great work! You address so many of the same issues and questions rattling around in my own head. ;)
Another incredible, insightful video my friend, gaining more and more wisdom every time. :) And i really mean it, i appreciate the effort you put into all the research you've done over time. I don't personally have the dedication or desire to do research as i have other interests i devote my time to, so watching scientifically-minded people like you is incredibly helpful. I have no doubt that even the future generations, including your grandchildren could benefit from this. After all, what can better than looking back and knowing and being proud of how great/smart your grandpa was no? :)
All my grandparents are long gone, but i still have the memories and knowledge they shared from the time they were alive. Keep up the great work, for yourself and all those who are yet to come :)
Interesting. Here's what i know from personal experience. My exercise regimen was unchanged. I went from an omnivore diet (what the FDA would consider to be balanced) to a keto (nearly carnivore) lost 35 pounds and got off bp meds... migraines stopped. Slept better. Excema improved asthma all but went away... evegy levels up amd kore mental clarity.
Went back to the normal FDA diet and all that started to reverse. So went back to keto/carnivore and weight back off mood better... sleep better... etc.
The thing is
“Why did he not show the water weight chart”
“Why did he not show the body fat chart”
When you consume lots of carbs
Your body retains water
For all we know
A weight lost could be losing fat water or muscles and else
And all we know is that more fat was lost in the low fat diet
But the thing is carbs retain water
Most likely what happened is
In the low carbs people quickly loses water weight
Which I don’t get why people thinks it is a bad thing
It’s literally less bloating
Just because it makes the kgs drops faster without gaining as much benefits as dropping fats
It only makes it tricky to analyze not bad
In low carb you have way less water increase muscle mass and lose a little fat
While on the low fat side you retain lots of water due to the carb
Losing lots of muscle and fat on the way
The data only says
“more fat lost for low fat”
“more kgs lost for low carb”
Kgs lost ? Did you gain muscle lost water?
Did you gain water lost muscle?
More fat lost? Why not show the body fat percentage for better representation of the result?
@HYPERWATER Actually, I can answer most of this. Lost about 10 pounds of water and more than the rest (25 pounds ... 35 total minus 10 water) was fat as I did gain some muscle. This is what my smart scale says and it jives with the pace of weightloss (rapid in first couple weeks then very controlled and steady at around 1.5 pounds to 2 pounds per week thereafter.
In addition to the extra water gain (water bonds to glycogen) and elevated blood pressure (and in my case migraines) that goes with it, carbs (especially processed) impact hormones that impact satiation (the feeling of being full at end of meal) and having high ketones control satiety (feeling of remaining full between meals).
I experimented with vegetarian diet and I lost muscle mass and suffered from low energy levels that made it hard to workout... so for instance... same heart rate was associated with slower speed on my bike.
I also got sick repeatedly on vegetarian diet. Not so on a keto diet. In fact my wife started work as a school teacher after I became keto, and while she has brought numerous colds home, I have not become sick.
So there's that. A man with receipts.
@@derikandreoli5177 I mean you said a vegetarian diet, not a vegan or plant based diet so....
@Ella May what is your point? I've tried vegan, vegetarian, carnivore, and keto. I track all kinds of data points, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that the worst for me was FDA recommendations (food pyramid), then vegan, then vegetarian. Keto and carnivore have been the only diets with consistent results for me.
I am stronger with more endurance, lower body fat, better blood pressure, etc. I don't have an ideological horse in this race. I just have mounds of data from trying different diets and eslxercise programs for more than 30 years (I am 50).
I’ve had many of the same results! Congrats on your healing!
Make those 8 hours Chris. Seriously. Put them into parts if need be. Do it!!!
It might be interesting to compare a vegan keto diet to a meat based keto diet and/or a low fat vegan diet.
How valid a conclusion could you get from 14 days then swing to polar opposite without resetting to base conditions?
How much is body adaptation and how much is purely influenced by the foods?
Nothing valid at all
Well and also were the women in the study cycling or were they on hormonal birth control? Because for a healthy woman, 14 days is nothing and she's only halfway through the cycle. They would have needed to wait 28 days to see the true impact as fat burning and metabolism naturally speed up in the last phase (luteal) of the female cycle, so this would have skewed results. Women almost need their own separate studies done.
I could never live on a high fat animal based diet. I need my carbs- my lentils, chickpeas, tofu, oatmeal, rice veggies and fruit... Besides there's a history of ❤️ heart disease in my family. My father died of a heart attack at 74!!!! He ate meat every day!
That's how a drug addict talks. " I need my ( ) every day"
And your dad probably ate bread with the meat. Deadly combo.
My uncle died in his late 50s of colon cancer. He ate bacon and eggs with white bread for breakfast almost every day.
Do any of you see the low/no fiber factors involved?
Nothing indicates that high fat animal based diet is causing heart disease.
There are several risk factors that causes health issues. Stress, genetics, smoking, obesity etc etc.
Oh, I also love your family escapades and the natureful scenery in your videos. I truly
believe those who enjoy carnivore really do not or rarely care at all about studies that
citicize their dietary choices. They smile and enjoy what they eat and seem to consistently
say they feel better, and great. I still believe in saving animals lives however.
"Carnivores" are the most deluded group of ppl on earth, besides narcissists and transsexuals aka transgender
I have to admit that I don't find the extreme diets (keto/vegan) all that appealing. I don't think I could sustain either one for long. I like variety and while I watch my carbs and sugars as I'm T2 I also try to watch my saturated fat intake as well but I'm not obsessive about it. I usually let my glucose meter tell me what foods I can get away. So far I like being in the middle. My A1c and my weight are down and I feel I can sustain this long term.
Lol vegan isn't an extreme diet.
@@saszablaze1 Extreme in that it's just plants whereas carnivore is just meat. I like having both in my diet.
@@gregorygreene1940 ok, but it's not extreme. we aren't omnivores. so it's not extreme. eating meat and cooked plantfoods is ignorant, and leads to disease. if you don't mind disease and pain, and shorter lifespan, have at it; if you want the best quality of life and longevity, eat less and less flesh. dairy isn't food. eggs raw can be a good snack, but not necessary either, all we need is plantfoods.
@@saszablaze1 I would say that response pretty much sums up why the majority of people view vegan/carnivore as extreme. Agree to disagree as the saying goes.
@@gregorygreene1940 agree to disagree is a really good way to swerve admitting you're wrong "oh i didn't know that, what do you mean?/tell me more"
most people die in pain, cut years off their life, take like 10 - 20 meds, but think a diet they never heard of til the last 10 - 20 years
- because everyone is so culturally brainwashed and ignorant is -
is extreme.
carnivore IS extreme, because it cuts out what humans need to live good lives mentally physically nourished and hydrated; vegan doesn't cut anything we actually need out;
it just requires people shift their paradigm; learn what's healthy, what's not, and you can't stop at vegan; "vegan" can fuck you up; it's RAW vegan, or mostly raw which will bring true health in body & mind.
fat free vegan. that's extreme.
when we go vegan, in order to sustain it and be healthy, we need to lose grains and beans and fried foods, quick, or we get lethargic, grumpy, hypoglycaemic, get injuries that don't heal so well, lose weight, or gain it etc etc.
I can answer some of your questions but not many. First I'm 73 and have followed a low carb diet for 30 years now. Not a keto diet even though I only consume 12 carbs per day. Why not keto. Because although keto is a low carb diet a low carb diet may not be a keto diet. A keto diet requires a certain percentage of fats to protein and a normal low carb diet doesn't require a set amount of fats to protein. Forget keto meaning ketogenic because a low carb diet is ketogenic but that doesn't require you to eat a keto diet. I know, confusing. First off my blood sugar is at the bottom of the recommended range and stays there. I'm not aware of any issues if I cheat and have a serving of grits with my breakfast. Fiber is not an issue. The typical low carb diet contains a variety of greens, broccoli, cauliflower, my favorite(okra), artichokes, asparagus, spinach, green beans, nuts and seeds. I've never even heard where people who eat only a carnivore diet have a fiber issue. At any rate bathroom issues can make that clear quickly. I don't particularly worry about LDL but am more concerned with triglyceride levels and mine are at 45. Very low. Lower than most vegans. I'm still active and feel fine although that's subjective. On a side note most of the people I grew up with are long gone and my only two existing friends my age have health issues and both eat a normal diet. I've eaten low carb for so long it has little effect on my weight. I control my weight by the amount of calories I eat. No matter what diet you follow they all work the same. Weight loss is governed by calories consumed by calories burned. I'm also aware of the brain needing glucose for energy but the liver is capable of creating that much glucose from protein and fats. I truly think the most important thing is eating what makes sense to you. I avoid all fruit and grains as little more than unhealthy candy bars. If you compare the nutrition of one apple to one cup of collard greens you can quickly see which provides better nutrition. Now on to eating meat. You don't eat just steaks. You eat as wide a variety of meats and cuts of meat as possible including organ meats. You also eat a wide variety of seafood. Fish, oysters, lobsters, shrimp, crabs and so on. Fats. I eat butter, eggs, cheese, nuts, seeds, olives and the occasional half a small avocado. My daily diet is eggs and pork for breakfast(never could get used to fish for breakfast) and you can make some really nice foods like pancakes with eggs as the main ingredient. Lunch. Most of the time I skip lunch. At 73 I don't burn enough calories to get hungry by lunch with a good breakfast. However lunch would be sardines, tuna, chicken, pickled vegetables, boiled eggs, perhaps some meat. Dinner is almost always a meat or seafood and two half cup servings of low carb vegetables. Snacks would be nuts, seeds, or my favorite treat, about one ounce of cream cheese eaten in small bites and enjoyed like ice cream. Now to finish I will say before a low carb diet I suffered from a lot of digestive issues and joint problems and the digestive issues went away quickly. The joint issues have improved over the years and don't bother me much any more. Would I go back and change my diet if I could. Nope, I would not. I enjoy the foods I eat and have more than enough energy to do the things I want including being able to skip meals without feeling starved. I had a nuclear scan done a few years back that showed no issues. I will say that women may flourish on a vegan diet but men who work hard as in construction need meat and fats to have the energy to keep going for long periods of time.
Man, Kevin produces such good studies, I think it was also his team that did the processed food diet. Definitely need a book :)
I cured, not "managed" my T2diabetes as did my wife who came off insulin ang metformin on keto. It also fixed my arthritis and my wife has not had a gout attack since keto, over 4yrs. My blood work is excellent.
Its not as easy as some make it out to be and takes discipline and commitment and takes a bit of time to get used to, but becomes a way of life.
Ps If people want to get their LDL cholestrol down just fast longer before your blood test about 12-14 hrs, it will plumett and shows what a pointless metric it is.
I could be convinced of either because I love a variety of foods! Very low carb/ mostly carnivore seems to be working for me since realizing I have a carb addiction and just can't moderate my eating well on carbs. This seems to be the case for a lot of people who do well on this way of eating. I do miss eating plants though and hope to add them back in eventually. It is nice not being bloated though when on mostly meat, and in just a month cleared up a skin condition of 10 years and my hair stopped falling out for the first time in YEARS.
its only difficult because people are carb/sugar addicts from birth
I've just watched the ZOE interview with Professor Christopher Gardner on "Should you eat more protein?" and different types of protein. He'd be a great person to talk with you and spread the message that most of us overeat on protein and why it's useless.
I love him. I'm attending a live lecture he's giving at Stanford in May and I'll hit him up for an interview.
@@PlantChompers Cool cool cool!
Yes!! I watched that interview two days ago and loved it!
@@PlantChompers Yay! Yes, please do!
I cant tell you enough how much I enjoy your videos! Thank you for sharing
As a young researcher, I love how scientific study/evidence is carefully and well explained in your videos. Your channel has absolutely become one of my favorite ones to learn. Please share more of your wisdom with us!
I've been doing Nutrition research for 8 years because my body completely healed after going Vegan for the animals being tortured for our diets. I feel so grateful my compassion saved my life because I'm so healthy at 64 and good health is so worthwhile. I've not been sick in over 8 years not even a headache or a cold - it's all about our wonderfully intelligent cells and also I come from Primates, not Lions
Well Ava...your ancestors almost exclusively lived on meat. Our digestive system is vastly different from the apes that we branched off from millions of years ago. Go carnivore, you will do better.
Agreed 100%, e.g. vegans don't know what's joint pain in case they don't consume processed sugars or other man-made stuff.
Really interesting video, thanks again for all your effort! Can't wait for the "Fiber" video 😅
Vegan for the planet, for the animals and for health
I hear many stupid things in my life but that "one stick of butter a day" woman, caught me off the guard.
She wasn’t the first person to do it either. She did it because a doctor recommended it to her.
Family friend of mine in Germany visited me once (in San Francisco) and I couldn’t figure out where the butter went. Then she told me she eats the equivalent of a stick or more a day. I was shocked. Not too many years later, she had a stroke. Wheelchair-bound for the rest of her short life. Very sad.
@@heidikamrath1951 I’m pretty sure her diet includes more things then just butter. One person I know avoided butter and still died of a stroke.
Try it! It can be wonderful.
I ate half a stick the other day for the first time and the tension in my temples that’s always there melted away after ten minutes in a way that’s only ever happened from drugs before. I wasn’t expecting anything like that at all.
@@francescaerreia8859adrenochrome isn't gonna heal your body
35% increase in LDL. "That is about the same. Also, did you know that 5 = 7?"
Truly would be hilarious if the delusion weren't dangerous.
Where's 35% coming from? The LDL went from 136 to 201 which is a 48% increase.
My grandparents were lifelong diabetics. I remember as a kid going to visit and the house always smelled like grease. This was in rural Indiana. Meat was a mainstay. I honestly didn't even know what lentils or quinoa was until my mid 20s. I remember even at a young age being struck by the cognitive dissonance, because they had lists of "Good", "Bad", and "Sometimes" food planted on the fridge that my dad had written up for them with one of their kidney doctors. But all the "Bad" foods like rice, potatoes, grains, and fruit were things I almost never saw them eat, and certainly weren't staples except maybe as an occasional side dish usually loaded with butter. All the "Good" stuff like meat, cheese, and eggs you couldn't get away from if you tried, nevertheless they never got better. My dad used to accuse them of sneaking in oats and stuff. It was hilarious because you couldn't have paid my grandfather to eat a bowl of steel-cut oats with some berries, that wasn't drowning in added fat or served alongside some bacon and eggs. I think you can do low carb in a healthy way, really emphasizing unsaturated fats and low GI veggies, but that certainly wasn't the message they were getting.
I know you can control lipids by doing a good fat version of keto, but I wonder if Neurologists are right and it's still harmful in the long run to the brain.
@@PlantChompers Yeah, fair question. There's a few studies on what they call "Eco-Atkins" - basically a plant-forward keto with lots of unsaturated fats and a good deal of fiber. Seems alright short-term, but the biggest thing against keto in my experience, as someone who occasionally does low-carb cycles for the anti-anxiety benefits, is how flat out unnatural it starts to feel, even once you're over the adaptation hump. Cravings do subside in my experience, but never fully go away. Sleep also starts to suffer after a while. I certainly find lower fat easier to adhere to these days.
That's a great annecdote!
I have never heard of anybody sneaking in oats. It was always sneaking in drugs and stuff.
@@PlantChompers considering the body runs mostly on fat during rest and day to day activity (look up respiratory quotent) only time we most burn carbs is intense activity. When are people going to educate temselves that fat is not evil. Fat cells become dysfunctional when the liver gets dysfunctional from pure sugar and fat together. All diet related dyafunction begins from over consumption coupled with high insulin levels. The perfect coctail for a long slow death.
@@GregariousAntithesis Fat knocks out the cell's 3rd proton pump of the mitochondria, on top of that, the "good" polyunsaturated fats oxidize really quickly turning into the very toxic hydroxynonenal. We can make all the fat we need from fibre. Source, dr. Peter Rogers.
My experience, I am 57 yrs old i have been up and down like a yoyo in weight. I am 5'11 and weighed as high as 270lb. Been on all the diets out there. Two things are very important....Exercise, and your insulin levels! the problem for me on a Vegan diet i was always hungry "Carbs" "Insulin". I did lose body fat on the Keto diet got down to 235, but as much as i was working out and trying to reduce more caloric intake still was struggling to lose the fat! why? insulin resistance was the problem. So i gave the Carnivore "0" carb diet a try, I needed to try to get rid of the insulin in my blood that was causing inflammation in my body.. the first three weeks were tough my body was going through a change just eating meat and water going to the bathroom was a new experience to say the least! but after being on this way of eating i was down to 195lb with a 32" waist. Never felt this good in a very long time. lost all my cravings for any type of carbs in fact i only eat twice a day and im fine with it. for me "This is the way" I know everyone different. I really think the human body wants one thing or the other. all meat or all Veggies "not together"
I hope this helps people look into it.
I echo this. We all may have evolved to respond better to a wfpbd or hflc. Not everyone thrives on the same diet. Find out what works for you and stick with it. Most of the issues people have with plants is inflammation. Such a varied diet plan gives opportunity for something that doesn't agree with you to be hidden. It can take years, if ever to figure it out. And whole grains are not as great as they are made out.
Yeah. I guess the problem starts when you add meat and dairy while eating rice and beans 😊. Instead of just looking at numbers it’s better to stick to one eating pattern. Some people might feel good with eating meat and dairy products and some might feel better with plant based diet. I myself was on keto/carnivore diet for 5 years, was not feeling great and sick most of the time. Switched to WFPB a year ago and feeling much better since. 😊
Thank you Chris. Your excellent, informative, entertaining content continually inspires me. Loved seeing your beautiful grandchildren and Annie looks amazing!
Keto vegan here, for years. The literature shows that this might be one of the healthiest possible diets.
Thanks again, Chris -- your videos give my "new broom syndrome". I often think the one I just watched is the best one yet!
The thing all these studies or real life examples have in common is that they've eliminated or greatly reduced processed foods and foods high in added sugar and salt. As others have claimed to have turned their life around on keto, I have also done it on an organic, whole foods regimen with minimal meat. I lost nearly a third of my weight, multiple sizes, 32 BMI to 23, all blood test markers are optimal when I was previously pre- everything. I feel great and in better health than I was in high school. Just eat healthy food people, preferably organic, don't over consume, and either go to the gym or have an active lifestyle. Btw, I didn't step foot into a gym. I hiked, did calisthenics at home, worked in my backyard which has been totally converted to a food forest, and have a moderately active job.
ya organic healthy whole grains... if you want to have a heart attack. Also, hope youre enjoying your oxalates.
@@user-io8bm6gz5z you obviously have nothing constructive to contribute to this conversation
@@jlandry117 healthy whole grains is not a good addition to the conversation? Youre aware they jack your insulin through the roof, right?
Thanks! WFPB here (11 years, 68 yo). Also follow some of the aging research and noticed two relevant measurements which were a lot better in the PBLF group - BCAA and hsCRP. Generally both have been associated with longer lives when lower. Work from the Lamming Lab implicates isoleucine as the key BCAA to keep low. Also encouraged by ApoB delta and fiber difference (which was huge). Would have been nice to see kidney and liver function data as well as more hormone data but nevertheless very helpful.
At the very least hormone data, can’t believe they didn’t add that in.
Great work Peter. You are way older than me and it’s good to see wfpb lifestyle is helping you. I believe it is very sustainable for long term health benefits.
Imagine people are out there eating MEAT only diets right now lol
Sounds like hell particularly organ meats, which you probably need to get anything approaching reasonable nutrition. None of the carnists I know have ever eaten those because most people find the taste gross. Grocery bills are through the roof too.
@@Cancellator5000 Yea I dont understand why people just ignore basic science all together and assume things.
@@RyanPalmer-fb8nn They think it's working for them. From reading some of what they write a lot of them have gut issues and diabetes and stuff, but they act like it's the ideal human diet because it manages the symptoms of those problems. The scary thing is that it could be managing those problems in a way that slowly ruins their health over time and keeps them from a diet that could do that and not lead to long-term consequences.
I live in Canada. What I am always perplexed by are the American scales for measuring things. I don’t understand why glucose is not universally the same scale.
I understand cultural differences for stuff but why can’t we all be working with the same healthcare numbers without having to go back and forth to conversion tables?
(Especially glucose)
Not a conspiracy guy but - Somehow I suspect there are financial benefits somewhere in keeping people confused.
Absolutely. Knowledge is power. (Not a conspiracy guy either, but I believe those who are greedy stay greedy at the expense of others).
I will be patiently (and excitedly) waiting for an interview with Dr. B whenever you can make that happen!
I did keto and 20 hour fasts everyday for 4 months. Lost 3 stone. I had no energy. Stopped keto because I had no energy to do anything but kept the fasting lifestyle and now I have energy I can workout which means I can get back the muscle I lost whilst on keto. It's processed foods we should avoid. Not any macronutrient. Lesson learnt.
So excited when I see one of your videos pop up! So well researched. Thank you!
Ive been vegan for about a decade, last few years Ive tasted animal products if I felt like it, twice a year or so - I dont like it.
What is most fascinating for me, is that when I was eating only RAW vegan food for 6 weeks, I stopped being hungry and full. I realized that the feeling of being full from eating, has nothing to do with furfilled nutrient intake, the feeling of full only tells us that we have reached our limit for how much more food you can digest. Cooked food is harder to digest generally. This meant that the feeling of hunger was only from having malnutrition and finally having my digestive system ready to process more food. On raw food, I stopped being hungry, I stopped being full, I stoped being tiered or sleepy. This gave me space to eat according to my sober mind. I also went to bed because my sober mind knew that my body and mind needed restoration, no need to feel sleepy to access this neccesary sleep.
Now I am back to try RAW food, but this time my goal is to gain muscle and perform in the gym. This I will do through sprouting 400g of mungbeans and beluga lentils everyday, activate 150g seeds and make a seed sauce from sesame seeds, hemp and sunflower seeds. As well as making protein bars with 70% hemp protein dehydrated with bananas and other protein dense dehydrated snacks. Some protein will also be added as chlorella with orange juice.
This way I will maximize protein intake per calorie, and not over consume fat or carbonhydrate.
Cooked food is far easier to digest.. I don't know where you got the horrible misinformation that it's otherwise.
@@mikafoxx2717 So this would be different for different foods.
Some raw foodists do eat beans and onions raw.
But if we talk about lentils. Eating them dry and raw will will be hard to digest, soaking them, removes toxins and make the food more bioavailable. From soaking you can choose to cook with salt, without salt or to sprout them. From sprouting you can further juice, to crush all fibres. If you choose to cook, the fibres will break down, making them quicker to digest, but the bio-availability on the protein and enzymes will also be less, as these structures are broken down and need to be rebuilt in our body.
So ultimately we can get more nutrients per calorie from raw food, especially if we chew well or juice it. If you have no intentions of chewing or juicing, you are probably getting more nutrients from cooking, instead of pooping out whole sprouts.
I’m not sure using a cgm if you’re not diabetic is pointless. Lower blood sugar correlates with less heart attacks in the normal range. I’m not diabetic but a few foods raise my blood sugar 60 points, and I’m glad to know which ones.
Fully agree 😊
Probably the best TH-cam video that i have watched. You have finally proved to me what diet i should be eating and the world is being conned by highly paid spin-doctors. Confusion keeps the peasants in their place. Thank you, Thank you. Keep up your great work and I appreciate all your hard work reading all those technical reports. Victor
The latest loophole rationalization is that "keto isn't meat-based, it's low-carb."
According to some, especially certain doctors who treat cancer, there is such a thing as vegan keto. Vegan keto may help with certain cancers.
@@chattinglifestyle6008 Ketones can also feed cancer cells after awhile. I think what makes all the difference between vegan keto and nonvegan keto is that plants in vegan keto have more protective compounds that can help the body fight against cancer as well as other things like inflammation and infection in a way that has yet to be seen in and experienced from animal based foods. Animal based foods are very good at helping cells in the body grow and unfortunately that includes cancer cells.
@@chiyerano yes but it is the greens and Cruciferous veggies that are anti-angiogenic, etc not the legumes. My point is hi protein is not good in any diet. Why do vegan Keto in the first place when one has the results and sustainability with a well balanced WFPBD. The key to losing weight is not eating between meals: intermittent fasting. And a two meal plan has been proven to be best (PCRM has had a study supporting what some have advocated for a long time). Insulin peaks at 8 am, decreases in afternoon and platoes after 3 pm, not really working after 6 pm. We have to allow at least 4 hrs for digestion, 1-2 for rest and if we allow 6-8 then you get ketosis. And then 16-18 from last meal to next day and there you have it. Two meal plan, no snacking, last meal before 6 pm: Will lose weight. (And no chocolate - I learned that first hand)
@@chattinglifestyle6008 Plant protein from whole plant based foods has been shown to have very little if any effect on cancer. If you are referring to isolated plant proteins or animal protein then you have a point. Consider the source. Even a little bit of saturated fat in the diet is fine as long as it is mainly from whole plant based foods.
You made a point about not focusing on just one number, such as glucose. While glucose numbers are important, especially to diabetics, I would love to hear about the other aspect of added sugar, fructose.
The better test are fasting insulin and post eating insulin tolerance tests.
Since plant chompers is eating only plants, that would include a ton of fruit, agave, honey and other "healthy" items which are full of fructose. Fructose can only be metabolized by the liver, but all vegan /veg influencers say fructose in its "natural" form is to be eaten with abandon (or as he would say "ad libitum"). They all say that T2D can be reversed in such a way
@@gcs7817 I saw more mental illness on vegan diet, like ADHD, bipolar, depression and etc.
@@mitunknowngirl cuz sugar in such high doses is poison for the brain
Sir fantastic thank you! Are you complete low fat or do you consume fat like olive oil and nuts. Most underrated channel by the way
He talks about his love of dark chocolate alot so make of that what you will.
You know, I'm very unsettled about it... I eat quite a few nuts and seeds, very little oil (only if it's in some otherwise healthy dishes I sometimes buy). And I eat some avocados. And I have a few squares of 100% dark chocolate. But I'm really not sure what I'm doing is optimum. I'm currently wearing a continuous glucose monitor and seeing 130s blood sugar sometimes after a big meal and wonder what would happen if I was lower or higher fat.
I think that, as humans, have a margin, an sometimes body do wants fats. I do not think that there is any average difference statistically measurable in terms of longevity and long term health outcomes if someone is eating till 20% of calories from fat or something like that.
Just the best TH-cam channel. Period.
Thank you so much for what you do. It is very helpful🙏
14:40 maybe you have time to make a video about the difference between blood sugar and insulin output. Generally, I think this is where the key differences are. From my perspective the goal should be to have use the least amount of insulin to prevent insulin resistance. Interestingly enough, there isnt a one to one correlation between insulin production and blood sugar levels. I dug down that hole when I tried to figure out why some people think potatoes are bad ("waaay to high" GI), but ended up finding a study that showed that even though your blood sugar might be higher, the insulin response in comparison to pasta ("good" GI food) is a lot lower, especially over time.
28 days isnt a study...its a social media challenge....wasnt until.my 5th month of carnivore I saw results....and a full year to come.off my 2 medications
Thank you for your work and your perspective. It is helpful and insightful. The use or abuse of language in nutrition and culture is fascinating. Hope you enjoyed your visits to Enchanted Forest , OMSI & Silver Falls State Park.
You recognized almost all the places! The cherry blossoms were at the capitol building. 😍
There is a difference between keto and carnivore and low carb. Carnivore and Vegan diets aren’t great for long term health; humans are omnivores no matter how many blood tests you do to confirm biases in a short term study. People have individual needs that might skew them more plant or animal based., but the Blue Zones studies seem to push towards more plant-based, but not solely plant-based diets.
I tried a Vegan diet and in week 4 I had to add in some eggs daily because I was craving protein. I felt much better with this moderate, simple protein addition and did lose weight, however my goal was to find a healthy, anti-inflammatory diet (no gluten or dairy or nightshades). There are so many variations of anti-inflammatory diets (including carnivore). Losing fat isn’t the only health marker, we are preoccupied with it because obesity is such a problem. You also need to consider how much weight a person has to lose: less than 30 lbs and greater than 30 lbs - especially as it gets towards 75, 100+. I mostly follow Mark Hyman’s Pegan diet - a combo of Paleo and Vegan: plant forward, but including moderate protein. Also similar to The Wild Diet by Abel James with intermittent and some extended fasting. I still avoid gluten due to inflammatory issues.
I was able to use calorie restriction when I only had 10-15 lbs to lose - quite easy; this was essentially closest to the current low fat diets. Unfortunately I didn’t know what normal diet to use afterwards or that gluten was an issue for me back then. Kevin Hall’s paper that you cited at 7:30 seems to point this out since he calls out that this is for obese individuals. The data at 9:40 on fat versus muscle loss on LC versus LF diets is interesting, but this study was in the absence of exercise modifications. Insulin resistance is an issue for many and exercise with the exclusion of refined carbohydrates (not necessarily LC) would both work to reduce insulin’s negative effects.
Dr. Mark Huberman is a neuroscientist to check out for brain effects from diet and exercise; he uses exogenous ketones to enhance cognitive function, but eats like an omnivore with some intermittent fasting. The studies looked at in your overview didn’t seem to include any time-restricted eating. This has been a key marker of health for me.
Loved this! Thank you for taking the time to put this together 🙂
So..., large study ? The Italians are the leanest and oldest in europe with 83,8 years, the diabetic rate is 5,3% vs 11,3 in US (with older population in Italy...), obesity rank world is 106.... the deaths from heartdisease (world rank 169...) are the second lowest in europe ( first is france...) . Italians consume ~ 45 -48% carbs, 40% FAT (2/3 from animal source), the average consumption per capita/day is 216 g meat, 60 g cheese, 670 ml milk, 7g butter, 31 g egg, 77 g fish, 30 ml oliveoil + other oils, they consume 100 + g animal protein/day.
The lower the better cholesterol is not true...the largest cohort ever study with 12,8 millions, a korean study ( in line with other studies...) did show a U curve relation with all cause mortality, the sweet spot for total cholesterol is between 210 -250, the same with LDL, sweet spot with lowest mortality is at ~ 140.
Examples are the "France" paradox, consuming high fat, very low heart disease...or the japanese paradox, the japanese have higher average cholesterol than the US but ~ 1/3 of deaths...7% of deaths in japan are heartdisease...I guess the lowest in world rank...one of the highest death rates from heart disease are in Afghanistan, Egypt, Syria....etc..(8-9 fold than in france...) all countries consuming large amounts of white bread (1 pound +) and low fat/protein/vegetables...
"Changes in lipoprotein(a), oxidized phospholipids, and LDL subclasses with a low-fat high-carbohydrate diet"
Randomized Controlled Trial J Lipid Res
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20713651/
"Low-fat diets have been shown to increase plasma concentrations of lipoprotein(a) [Lp(a)], a preferential lipoprotein carrier of oxidized phospholipids (OxPLs) in plasma, as well as small dense LDL particles. We sought to determine whether increases in plasma Lp(a) induced by a low-fat high-carbohydrate (LFHC) diet are related to changes in OxPL and LDL subclasses"
"The increases in plasma Lp(a) levels after the LFHC diet were also correlated with decreases in medium LDL particles (P < 0.01) and increases in very small LDL particles (P < 0.05). These results demonstrate that induction of increased levels of Lp(a) by an LFHC diet is associated with increases in OxPLs and with changes in LDL subclass distribution that may reflect altered metabolism of Lp(a) particles."
....What I read here...an increase in LDL particle number and an increase in small diameter LDL particles....
"...the concentration of cholesterol (passengers) inside of the lipoproteins (cars), which is not the driving factor behind plaque formation and heart disease. Instead, what should be measured is the number of LDL particles in your blood."
chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-why-everyone-should-know-their-ldl-particle-number/
Just the info I needed. As a critical care RN, seeing ppl coming to the Cath lab, and favoring a plant based diet, I recently started questioning plant based versus popular keto. Of course who doesn’t want to eat chicken thighs with skin, bacon, steaks, cheese, eggs,,, and want to drop a few pounds. Sounds wonderful. But I still can’t see how oatmeal, fiber, beans (I love lentil taco meat) is bad. But do think we need to cut out processed breads,,, work in progress.
I would bet the problem most plant based people have is constantly eating fee oils while avoiding butter, lard, and cream when they stray from no their diets. We all do treat ourselves and I think that’s where the problem lies for vegans especially.
the oats and beans are good for extremely poor people who work all day not most americans. I keto for 6moths and have finally added potatoes and more fruit past 2 months only because I want to train harder on 2 eating widows while gaining then prolong fast 1 day a week. went from obese to ripped in that short of time cause fasting and clean animals foods. I Don’t care about studies or science
@@googanslayer6675 you can loss weight with keto, it makes your body burn stored fat since your not taking in carbs, that’s true. It’s the long term effects of high saturated fats that’s the problem. It will clog your arteries, that’s a fact.
Anti-nutriënts.
Particularly metal uptake inhibitors.
Fe, Zn, Cu levels serum levels can drop precipitously or zero out after eating if you compare meat. Vs. Meat plus rice/beans/grains.
Clear sign of those not being absorbed in the gut.
@@dwwolf4636 don’t understand, you say it drops from just meat, or meat plus grains?
Yes I know the video I can't stop watching and it's on your channel always your channel I love your channel!!
Thank you for the good work you do. Great video !
Keto is not supposed to be too high in fat. It is said to get off of keto during the month and get back on again so that your body can get shocked.
Great video, but after decades of struggling with weight, animal based makes me feel the best and makes me the leanest. No more "hangry" carb withdrawals. Eat once a day and I'm set. Keep up the good work though. I appreciate learning both sides.
Would love your take on Malcolm Kendrick's work.
You must not be related to Joel I take it :)? I do the nutritarian diet and feel incredible. No judgment to others who eat meat, but I changed for my hormones and it makes a huge difference with everything including my energy level.
Are you talking about processed carbs or whole plant foods
@@skylermikalson6159 beans and rice were a staple for a couple of years