If you really want to have that uncomfortable conversation on your platform you need to have an Israeli and a Palestinian person come face to face and hash out their issues towards one another and that can help society come to their own conclusions instead of being obligated and pressured to support something they might not necessarily support.
What's the point in having "uncomfortable conversations" if when you ask uncomfortable questions, you don't hold your guests accountable to providing uncomfortable answers. You asked this woman "Then why do they view Israel as the oppressor?" and she responded "Exactly." and you let her. The way she tells the history of Israel and Palestine, "Israel can almost do no right". She says "We want freedom for Palestinians too. I can't say it in so many words. There were peace offerings given to the Palestinian people many times throughout history. And they kept saying no." There's no acknowledgement of the occupation of Palestinian land that the UN considers illegal. There's no acknowledgement of the actions against Palestinians that constitute genocide or ethnic cleansing. The way she talks of the history - on a complicated and disputed topic - the only interpretation of events she leaves is that Palestinians have never wanted peace even when given exactly what they were asking for, which is obviously untrue. So why did you let her communicate that impression on your platform without challenging it? Even if you're coming at this from the angle of seeking neutrality and empathetic understanding and also of not knowing what to believe and seeking more information, hearing one "expert" turn the other side of the discussion into an inexplicable monolith where her people are obviously the Good Guys who are unfairly maligned for no reason - that really ought to have made you feel like you weren't being given a fair depiction of events. And if you aren't wiling or able to identify that on a topic when it happens - especially one so raw and mired in conflicting accounts as this one is - you really ought to not bring that topic onto your platform as though some sort of nuance is going to be presented. You don't have to lead discussions on every topic if you don't know enough about them do to so responsibly.
The arabs rejected a two state solution in 37 and 47, then invaded Israel. This was before any occupation of Palestinian land that is in the UN partition plan, before any ethnic cleansing and before any genocide. Since the first Arab-Israeli war there has basically been no progress on any sort of peace plan or solution to the conflict. These days, mostly thanks to Israel and the US as the Palestinians have changed their tune since getting their shit pushed in several times over the decades.
Do you have that same energy for Palestinians, or only.Israelis? Because you realize Hamas doesn't want Israel to exist at all, unlike Israel who has made various peace offers over the years for a two state solution? Not to mention Hamas openly states they want all Jews around the world to be killed. It's literally in their charter.
People were at a dance festival, and all of them were civilians. More than 200 were deliberately killed, some with unimaginable cruelty. Some of them are still held as hostages. Is it something that you find hard to be empatic with?
Mr Emmanuel, Big respect for your show! Ms Noa, I am horrified to see atrocities committed by Hamas on October 7. I grieve with the families of all the victims. But I must tell you one thing since I am from Bosnia and Herzegovina where we have lived through the biggest siege that happened on the European soil after World War II, in Sarajevo during the aggression on our country, that your statement about "Israel does not occupy Gaza" , militarily perhaps Israeli army withdrew from the Gaza Strip, BUT IT IS ABSOLUTELY controlled by Israel. I visited in 2013 Israel and it was impossible to enter and visit Gaza. So I quite disagree about your statements about Israel especially having visited the West Bank and Occupied Territories and the humiliation that the Palestinians are living there. Its the politics of Israel that created Hamas, unfortunately.
I don’t believe that the politics of Israel created Hamas. I believe that hatred for Jews has existed amongst Arab culture for a long time. I think if you get to the core of it Israelis are more much willing to live in peace with Palestinians then vice versa.
No I am not wrong. It is what I have seen with my own eyes. So i do not have any wish whatsoever to ever visit Israel. It is simple as that. @@goldielikes3
Yes you are wrong. I lived in Kosova for one year writing about families who have still not found the bodies of their loved ones following the Kosova-Serbian war and have close friends who have lost their mothers, sisters and spouses in that war. I would never dream of arguing with a Kosovar-Albanian about what they went through and their realities. You visited Israel ONCE and think you can comment intelligently on the actual situation? Ludicrous. We don’t need you visiting Israel. That’s ok. We will live.
Wow...I spoke some "uncomfortable" truths about #ACHO and race and received a notice from TH-cam ....smh unh unh unh....I already KNEW I would strike a cord, because I was speaking FACTS..... that shit hurt so they removed my comment Point Proven. #FREEPALESTINIANS 🇵🇸 #FREEGAZA ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽 Israelis stand with theirs and it's "admirable"....people of color stand with theirs and it's somehow " inappropriate" or misplaced....BEAT IT.....Naming racism does not equate to antisemitism Stand with your tribe!
Everything she says about what happened to israelis, i see is happening to palestinians all the time, since i'm a child, back in the 90s ... and that's what i observed, it was already going on and is still since 1948 ...
Can you list the things that israel has done since "whatever happened to israelis, i see is happening to palestinians all the time, since a child"? Which specific things has israel done that palestine has done to israel? What extra things have palestinians done to israels that the israelis have not done back? Special/specific differences?
@@JohnDorian-j7x you right, israel did even worse things to them, like deportation, mass murderer, imprisoning, calling them "animals" (as a POC from effing germany, the most disgusting thing one can hear...) and so on ... should i be more specific, troll?
I think it’s hard to see people who are trying to stand with the civilians on both sides and against the leadership regimes that perpetuate this cycle when they are processing pain-especially when generational trauma is involved. I think she touched on that several times intellectually without being fully able to embrace it in her grief, but that Jewish people all over the world have demonstrated that they can which means they do need to be able to process their grief and have people support them through it as they have supported others. but that means this conversation may need to be revisited. when you asked her when this all started, she said it started on October 7-it did not. she said that the Israeli government-and let’s all try to phrase it that way because it’s not the people who were victims of a terrorist attack on October 7 or Jewish people more generally-gave the Gazans the keys when they’ve been blockaded in for 16 years. that’s not giving them the keys. she ignored that the West Bank is occupied. but let’s also take a moment to note that Hamas has not allowed an election to happen since they came to power 16 years ago. with a population where the voting age is 18 and 64% of people are under the age of 24, we have to interrupt this notion that they somehow voted for Hamas. very few of the people who did are still alive and they were never given an opportunity to correct those votes in a subsequent election. Hamas are not the people of Gaza and I would like them to be held accountable-but I’d also like compassion for the Gazans to remain throughout and after because, if we don’t, it’s likely another terrorist organization will succeed them and that is not safe for anyone. the Israeli government has also expanded settlements in the West Bank without a solution agreed to by the Palestinian people. again, she’s in justifiable grief and I hope you revisit these conversations at regular intervals because mortality salience combined with generational trauma is a hell of a drug. I think revisiting it will help people have a more nuanced understanding and maybe allow your interviewees to show how they’re evolving through all of this-and “this” also includes the resurgence of white Christian nationalism in this country which is making all of us less safe.
The Israeli army in fact left Gaza in 2005, they even forced settlers to leave with them. The infrastructure at that time was about alright - Ms Tishby mentions the greenhouses as an example. What did Hamas do? That same night the army left, they attacked Christians and burnt down the synagogues, which were the last remains of the abandoned settlements. Shortly after that they took the tubings of the functioning sewage system to build rockets and attacked Israeli villages. They started a civil war to reassure power and implemented a system of corruption. They lived in wealth while the ordinary population remained poor and hungry. The Israeli blockade of the years to follow was a direct result of these events.
@@BVBforever90 there should not have been settlements there in the first place-how can you have a two state solution when one state keeps encroaching on the land set aside for the other? obviously even if the buildings in the evacuated settlements were previously used as synagogues that doesn’t mean burning them down was a good idea. but blockading in Gaza was not a good idea either. blockading them in and bombing them periodically doesn’t ensure that infrastructure remains in the same condition-again, having the keys imply you can leave. I’m not making excuses for Hamas-you may also need some time to process your grief if you think I am despite the care I took in ensuring that was not the case. FFS: I even made sure to point out that Hamas has not allowed elections since they took power. if you understand what conditions they forced upon the civilians, I don’t know how we can’t agree that the civilians deserve compassion. I don’t know why you expect fewer terrorist to come to power when the response to a terrorist attack is shoving people’s noses in the dirt with the military power that my taxes are paying for. this is also about our safety in the US from ever experiencing another 9-11 terrorist attack amidst all the re-emerging domestic terrorism we’re dealing with. and now they’re reporting that Houthi rebels may have tried to hit Israel today all the way from Yemen because of what is happening. do you think Israel is safer now? do you think every day Israeli civilians will sleep easier tonight? because I don’t. this is exactly the kind of escalation I was worried about. the Israeli government has one of the best intelligence operations in the world backed by one of the best intelligence operations in the world. if they just wanted to take out Hamas, it would have happened a long time ago. I’m also starting to get the sneaking suspicion that BiBi wanted this conflict because of how bad things were going for him politically. I think he may have deliberately ignored intelligence. it’d probably be a first for the Israeli government, but plenty of others have done it before-we’ve done it at least twice. but I’m equally wondering what was included in that Five Eyes intel that the former guy shared and whether it made it’s way to Hamas enabling them to do this. so take a break and feel what you’re feeling if you cannot process someone going out of their way not to blame civilians anywhere and to make sure they saving plenty of blame for the terrorist group in the equation. have whatever catharsis you need. none of us have to pick a favorite monster. we can all stand with the civilians on both sides of any stupid wall that a government or a terrorist group puts up. empathy is not a finite resource.
Margaret Thatcher of the UK orchestrated the Falklands war at her most unpopular time to get herself and government Re-elected. Beyond doubt that was let happen and it worked. So the world is made aware of 6 hrs of torture death and NOISY terror in Israel and 14 days later on the brink of something much more terrifying we are still wondering why it took 6 hours for the IDF to turn up ? Yes this may have been allowed for a perceived greater good …. this is helping both Bibi and Biden. All the world is a stage and we civilians don’t have the script.
Hamas are not Gazans, you’re correct, but Hamas has controlled Gaza for a very long time & that’s a critical to everything else. Hamas regularly takes resources that the people of Gaza receive from Israel, such as money, concrete, food, etc, & use it for themselves. Instead of building schools & businesses, which would increase the standard of living in Gaza, Hamas builds tunnels w/ the concrete & diverts money for weapons that should go to the Palestinian people for food, shelter, clothing, etc.
My heart hurts for the Israeli people and Jews across the world. It’s horrific what’s happening in Israel, without a doubt. But the arguments shared here (pro-Israel) are what I hear so often, and they neglect to use the full history of Israel, Palestine, and this conflict to inform the conversation. This historical context is critical to understanding the modern conflicts between the two people groups, specifically because the Zionist movement was and is incredibly harmful to the Palestinian people. I have no doubt that many (most?) Israelis and Jews throughout the world want peace with Palestine, but what does the Israeli government want? What do Israel’s allies want? The Israeli government needs major reformation and they need to stop the imprisonment of the Palestinian people. Gaza isn’t some utopia that Israel gifted to the Palestinians like this video and many stories like it claim it to be. But I’ll say it again, none of this discounts the pain, suffering, and trauma that many, many Jews the world over are experiencing. Jews need our support right now, as do Palestinians. And let’s educate ourselves on the full history of the conflict so we can have truly informed conversations about this instead of blanket support for one side or the other. Also, who is pro-Hamas?? Other than perhaps extremists, I’ve yet to see someone explicitly or implicitly supporting Hamas and their heinous acts. That part is very confusing to me.
When you see far-left laughing and saying that the "hipsters" got what they deserved while waving a Palestinian flag... pretty much says they agree with what Hamas did.
Sure, absolutely. I don’t see that being common, however. There will always be extremists, but the overwhelming majority of what we’re seeing is support for the Israelis. That isn’t the same thing as support for the Israeli government, however.
@@NessaBear90 Do you really think right-wingers/conservatives give a darn about Jews and Israel? All of those people in Charlottesville yelling, "Jews will not replace us" were conservative/Republican/Donald Trump supporters. The shooter at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh was a card carrying member of the Donald Trump/MAGA cult. Show me where someone on the far-left in america has committed a similar atrocity? The level of Jewish bigotry on the right/conservative/Repbulcian side is immensely greater than what is seen on the left.
I appreciate the support. and I’d like to recommend this short video about the history. This is a travel guide from Israel like me, but you can completely fact check everything he is saying. I’d like to add this is not a conflict about land, this is an Ideological issue. You might also like to watch Interviews with ‘son of Hamas’ not only from the past few days but from years ago. th-cam.com/video/XNf40sBcvKk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xvNpKOj8VtmF8ND0
I can't imagine being a Palestinian after this happened, knowing you didn't do this and the horror that was coming bc of it to your people. Israel needs to step back and deal w/the offenders not Palistine as the Palistinian people have been in a state of apartheid for 60 plus years.
@@beeamendola How would words help after a terror attack that killed 1300 people? Just look to the US response after 9/11. I obviously abhor the violence of both sides but how can you sit there and comment that "just punish the offenders and not the other people" is a realistic path or even possible AT ALL to accomplish?
As a Jew, I understand the emotions she is going through. But there's simply no excuse for what Israel is doing in Gaza and the West Bank right now and I'm disappointed she didn't have to sit with a second of discomfort about it.
You are absolutely right. I am very delighted that there are Jews like yourself that know the real agony in what is going on in Gaza. I praise your comment ❤
Hamas has a whole underground city I'd weapons and tunnels to harm Israel, what are they supposed to do about it? Ignore it and let another massacre happen in two years? They are trying to blow up Hamas but Hamas hides behinds civilians
Define what it means to "stand with Hamas". Because if you mean condemning them and wanting them to be stopped while at the same time questioning the human rights violations that Israel's government is doing to innocent people, then I can get behind that. If you mean that you cannot hold the Israeli government accountable for human rights violations because of this terrorist attack, then no, that is a precisely wrong definition. Remember, you can support Palestine and Israel. Questioning these leaders and their supporters is not supporting the other side. It's calling into question their actions. Specifically THEIR actions. It has nothing to do with the other side.
To say that Israel left Gaza alone, left houses and fields but with monitored resources and stipulations, sounds a lot like when a colonizer leaves their colonized. They have it in shambles, and to think that Gaza was left in a perfect condition is so disingenuous.
@@mikeg5280 Let’s say that was 100% the case, in which things don’t happen in a vacuum, but let’s say that Israel has historically had an issue with the other groups. Should people always hold onto historic treatment, or should progress be factored in? An example is how black Americans have historically been treated by those in power, should they defend themselves in the same manner or should they assess the progress made. That narrative is often stated. And Israel protecting itself against a situation they had a large part in creating? They don’t want accountability and people enable that.
@@mikeg5280 Israel didn't "vacate" Gaza. They made it a prison. Just because the guards are are in the stands doesn't mean the guards aren't there You're just pushing a-historical, Israeli propaganda And, also, there have always historically been Jewish people in Palestine. Zionists (different than just being jewish) started the conflict by getting with the British to steal Palestinian land. Painting the zionists as historical victims isn't supported by historical fact
It’s similar to saying the US gave indigenous people the keys to the reservation and then went on to violate treaty after treaty. It’s utter nonsense and tells such a tiny sliver of the story with no acknowledgment of how they got there.
Actually they didn't leave. That's the lie they keep repeating so that enough gullible people would believe their lies. What they did was that the Gazans gave their illegal settlers a hard time, they couldn't keep them in there so they removed the settlers and besieged Palestinians. F*cking liars.
When you do this: The State of Israel was created on May 14, 1948. The United Nations passed Resolution 181, also known as the Partition Plan, on November 29, 1947. The resolution divided the British Mandate of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states. The resolution left Jerusalem under UN control. The Arab states rejected the resolution. This led to a civil war in 1947 and the first Arab-Israeli War after Israel was created. What do you expect is going to happen? You cannot walk into an area and claim it to be another land. If the United Nations came into America and took away some land to give it to another group of people what do you think is going to happen? Notice America did the same thing with the Native Americans. When you do things like this you can cause generational long conflict.
It was conquered. The land was a part of the United Kingdom. Before that it had been a part of the Ottoman Empire for 400 years. No arab sovereign states had existed in that area for 400 years.
@@babyfaec It wasn't conquered, if it was conquered then the United Kingdom could have forced them to comply. They didn't comply because they had sovereignty which they STILL have to this day. That's what you don't understand, the United Kingdom did not have the power to do what they did. When you have the power you can ENFORCE your will, and its clear as day that they could not. For example using America as an example. If the Union lost the war they would not have the authority to tell the South what to do. You are only as powerful as your ability to enforce your will.
@@ralx225b So Israel is justified in what they are doing today since they obviously have the ability to enforce their will, and have done so for decades.
@@babyfaec Everybody is justified from their point of view. What isn't justified is pretending that taking out land from a group of people and giving it to another isn't going to cause problems. If I came to your house told you to leave because I am giving it to another group of people you are not going to go quietly into the night. But here is the biggest kicker for you. Define what a Jew is. Then I'll show you that there is no way to PROVE that you are a Jew. And how this whole experiment is a farce.
I had a Palestinian friend tell me that he feels bad for the Jews for this event bc all this pain they are in reminds him of the pain he feels on a daily basis. I feel for this woman but she really is over simplifying the conflict. I’d love to hear her take on what’s been happening in the West Bank.
Palestinians love to pretend like they're the victims of Israel when really they're the victims of themselves and almost everything they claim is false.
Folks complaining about how he needs to have someone from Palestine come in clearly didn't pay attention to what he said at the end, or notice what it says in the description - this is a TWO PART episode. This was the FIRST episode. The second is an interview with a Palestinian-American. I am assuming that to show balance, this other person is probably going to be in/from a similar life experience (parent, writer, etc). And yes, these are softer questions, but consider the fact that she is clearly traumatized and dealing with that generational trauma coming to life in front of her. Asking the 'harder, tougher' questions at this time, when this is so fresh, is just cruel. I honestly expect the questions to be pretty similar in the next episode, and if they're not, THEN complain about the bias.
This is being presented as something meant to educate people unfamiliar with the situation. I understand she's going throught trauma and may not be in a mental state to answer hard questions. Personally, I think that makes her the wrong person to bring here, but I can overlook that. I can't overlook the lack of critique to the misinformation she shared. If the intent is education, there should have been some context provided either before or after the interview or it should have been one episode with both people so they can critique each other.
And im sure the Palestinian interviewee will tell the history of Palestinians being forced off their land by European-Jews, then faced genocide. And that's why Israel is seen as the oppressors. Ms. Noa dodged that question like Neo from the Matrix.
@hawkwing3 😢oh my goodness...these two are very related!!!!! Like the amazing Dr. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR said..."when people criticize zionists, they means Jews..."
The thing that you don't understand mate. And I'm sure you're not Jewish by the sounds of your comment. Is they mean Jewe and general even us who are anti Zionists and who live outside of Israel
@@lexakellington123 are you sure that's what you want? Days ago z!onist mobs supporting the right for soldiers to s0domize Palestinian "prisoners" broke out - another great example of z!onist PR
That is an insane take TBH. Jewish people have been systematically oppressed since Roman times. There is no such people as Palestinians, they are Arabs given a new name for political purposes. Arabs who have colonized all of North Africa by force now cry genocide and it's been working well for them.
Can someone kindly point me in the correct direction to obtain access to these proofs that Israel offered the options for a 2 state & it was rejected numerous times?
Honestly, this interview highlights the need for an intra-Jewish uncomfortable conversation. There are Israeli organizations (e.g., Breaking the Silence and B'tselem) that document the atrocities that the Israeli government and settlers commit on a regular basis, how discriminatory policies that are in place, etc. that individuals like Nao Tishby either refuse to come to grips with or haven't had exposure to. Having Noa sit down with someone from the Jewish/Israeli community who can provide an understanding of the conditions and struggles of Palestinians (as well as other non-Ashkenazi Jews for that matter) will be the only way this conversation changes. Her bias forces her to be believe in the best of Israel, while the reality is significantly more complicated.
She lives there, has family there. She sees the reality first hand. She has herself criticized Israel on many fronts. Why does she need to hear from others?Stop patronizing
@@Bananabear20 First, she sees her reality - not 'the' reality. Asking for a diversity of perspectives is not patronizing. It's providing a wider array of perspectives - which in this case is extremely important given that the other perspective is widely disregarded yet the only one that is uses objective metrics - not mythology, tribalism, and indoctrination. A huge part of the challenge with this discussion is that those seeking to preserve status quo simply throw ad hominem attacks (specifically claims of anti-semitism) out against anyone from outside the community they disagree with to avoid discussing issues they are uncomfortable with. It's a tactic used often by extremist groups (e.g., fascists) to destroy dialog and avoid accountability. Removing the ability for someone to use these lazy tactics limits easy outs for those seeking to avoid discussing the subject outside of a childish good vs. evil and other narratives.
Comparing this Hamas attack to the Holocaust is insulting. Its wild to me how ppl can so casually compare one of the most tragic events in human history (the holocaust) to every other events. The Hamas attack was tragic but it is not Holocaust 2.0. Also the Israeli lives lost on that one day are not more deserving of compassion and comcern than the thouaands of Palestinians that have died at the hands of the Israeli govt.
Cmon Acho. I expected more fact checking if you’re gonna give them a platform to say their side. It can’t just suddenly be “look it up”, “they said no!”. WTF is this? I hope you really learn from this missed opportunity, as the damage it caused is substantial.
literally. This isn't an "uncomfortable conversation". This is an opinion with little to no facts. She also focuses alot ON HAMAS AND NOT ON THE ISRAELI GOVERMENT
@@holly_wood26 You can't be serious.. Great-Brittan, the same people the American colonizers descend from stole the land with lies and piece of paper, for Euro-Jews on Arabic land! "Nakba"! Now you go learn the history.
For this conversation to be nuanced, history needed to be involved. It's only by looking back that we can understand what has happened, and I think this conversation really fell short of what it could be because that history was missing. I also think it's problematic to present both sides as if the two nations hold the same power, wealth and resources. Many people are seeking to boost Palestinian voices right now because they have been silenced for so many years. Just some feedback.
I wholeheartedly don't agree with the attack or with Hamas. But it's time to be honest. The people on the Gazas strip are being literally starved. They are cut off from the rest of the world.
@@satiricgames2129 no one's justifying anything. When Israel cuts off electricity, food and water as well as life saving medical aid to 2.2 million Palestinians, when Israel calls for the forcible transfer of 1.1 million Palestinians from Northern Gaza, when 3,000 Palestinian children (and counting) have been murdered, when Israel bombs Churches, Mosques, and HOSPITALS, how can any person stand with a country that does that? When Israel describes the Palestinians as 'nothing but human animals and they will be dealt with as such' , when they use rhetoric like mowing the lawn and putting them on a diet, people with humanity aren't going to blindly support Israel. 'Israel isn't occupying Gaza' and yet they control what and who moves in and out of the Gaza strip and have imposed a 16 year long seige on the strip by land, sea and air. You can't expect people to side with a colonial nation, furthering American imperialism and oppressing the Palestinians under an apartheid system. Most of the world has suffered from colonialism, from American imperialism, from the western world's racists/orientalist views of the global south and people haven't forgotten what was done to them and their grandparents. Like many are looking at Israel and seeing the double standards and the lack of accountability and we're all fucking tired of it. #freepalestine
There’s A separate conversation with an author from the Palestinian side. When you get two people together, they do usually end up speaking over each other.
Ms. Noa, I hear your pain. My heart breaks for the massacre that happened to the Jewish people in Israel. I am praying for the families who had loved ones killed or held hostage. May God see them safely home. I am also praying for all the innocent children on both sides of this war to be safe and unharmed. God commands us to love, but as humans, it seems that we are incapable of this. May my words encourage someone today.a
The whole "other miniority groups should fight for us because we fought for them" doesn't move me....at all! Your enemy is NOT automatically my enemy. Especially when we consider that U.S. police departments and enforcement officers often participate in exchange programs with Israel, adopting militarized tactics that have been used there to police Black communities in the United States. These tactics only compound the already harmful methods historically employed in this country, and there is MORE than enough evidence to support this. I am 100000000% oppose settler colonialism, genocide, the Israeli occupation of Palestinians, ethnic cleansing, and apartheid. I wholeheartedly stand in solidarity with all efforts to free Palestinians from Israeli occupation. Paulo Freire's statement is clearer today than ever "The oppressed, instead of striving for liberation, tend themselves to become oppressors". FREE PALESTINE!!! THERE ARE NO "BOTH SIDES" TO GENOCIDE/ETHNIC CLEANSING/APARTHEID!!!
I love Emmanuel Acho. He is more thoughtful than 99% of media personalities. I appreciate the fact that he lets people talk. However, there needs to be some follow-up questions/rebuttals. Its easy to say "Israel left Gaza", but there should be a follow-up "yeah but you have it under blockade so food can't get in and the water is undrinkable" or she can say "we offered them a state" but there is no questions about what the borders looked like or a mention of the fact that the entire Arab League offered normalization of relations in 2002 in exchange for withdrawal to the 67 borders.
The blockade was imposed only after they started launching rockets. Food and Medicine have been going into the Gaza strip continuously since the blockade had been imposed, except during active fighting. Besides, the Gaza strip also borders Egypt. Why is Israel expected to supply its enemies with food, water, fuel and electricity???
No one is expecting israel to supply anything. However, the blockade prevents anyone from letting supplies get in. I'm not the one who coined the phrase largest open air prison. Also, Hamas has no presence in the West Bank but that doesn't stop Israel from stealing land and attacking civilians there.
@@ctownaqib Again I repeat, supplies have been getting in from land crossings (from Israel) all the time. The blockade was designed to ensure no ammunition got in... if anything, the latest atrocities should serve as an example to why the blockade was so necessary... but the weaponry did get in through the Egyptian border... in other words, the blockade was only from the Israeli side and certainly does not warrant the "open air prison" term. BTW Hamas certainly has presence in the west bank. Israel's presence in the west bank is designed to prevent this area from turning into a second "Gaza", armed to the teeth. Many terror attacks against Israelis came from West bank Palestinians.
@@eyaled9367right...the blockade actually ensured that for the first few years of the blockade that the gazans lived at a caloric deficit. Out of spite, they prevented chocolate from entering. They prevent construction grade wood and steel to enter. They control water, 90% of water is undrinkable. You're being highly disingenuous. The hamas presence in the west bank is so small that it's not material. There are over 2M Palestinians in the west bank, .01% is Hamas
Thanks for the interview but tbh it never got uncomfortable. It was like Emmanuel held back tough questions b/c the author got more animated and impassioned. No questions about the displacement of 800k people in '48, the occupation of West Bank, or Israel's blockade on Gaza (especially when she said Israel isn't occupying Gaza), etc. But I appreciate bringing her on and hearing her perspective.
And no discussions of Hamas being voted in during 2007. Or Israel having Muslims in their Government and not the same in Palestine. No discussion of a possible 85% of Palestinians being compliant with Hamas and NOT so innocent after all. Obviously the children are innocent and that's sad.
Can't wait? Really??? Another brainwashed person who's disregarding the satanic brutality of hamas' slaughter fest...smh...so shameful. Please educate yourself!!!!
Check out Mosab Hassan Yousef, a Palestinian and the son of the founder of Hamas, and you’ll figure it out much better than you would with any other speaker.
Thank you for having this conversation. I look forward to seeing the interview with the Palestinian author in part 2. Unfortunate that so many seem to have missed the obvious that you are hosting a conversation and not a monologue. Thank you again, Emmanuel for being willing to present the uncomfortable.
This didn’t start on October7th, No one who believes in humanity agrees with what happened, but your ignorance of historical events prevents you from from facilitating at truly uncomfortable conversations without challenging her narrative!
Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005. In 2006 the Palestinian people voted Hamas into power. They have been in political control ever since, and haven't allowed new elections. Why would they vote Hamas into power? Most say it was due to the widely accepted anti-american, Israeli and European sentiment. Now does Israel have crazy control on Gaza? Oh yeah, they control all the borders and the sea. They say this is to maintain control of Hamas. So do they keep a tight grip on Gaza? Yeah, sometimes brutal. But they do not, in fact, actually occupy Gaza.
that country is the most guarded country in the world, you mean to tell me 3.5k hamas fighters entered the most protected region in the world. They have a dome that shoots down rockets that are targeted at the city. It does not make any sense to me
I watched both of these conversations. The REAL uncomfortable conversation would be Noura Erakat & Noa Tishby sitting down and listening to each other. It is not difficult to speak, it is difficult to listen.
6th Netanyahu cabinet Netanyahu's coalition partners rejected the two-state solution. In February 2023, Netanyahu said he would be willing to grant Palestinians autonomy but not sovereignty, and in any future deal Israel would maintain full security control of the West Bank.
What a waste of time. The only thing uncomfortable about this conversation was me listing to how he pandered to every Zionist view of the conflict without ever challenging that narrative.
This lady just said that "everytime we have come to the table to talk about how much of YOUR LAND we want to give to you" is straight BS. And she really believes this too.
@briantran8731 If you knew who the founders of Hollywood are it makes since why a lot of celebrities are under obligation to support Israel and their people. That “certain group” still runs Hollywood to this day, so yes they are doing what they feel they need to do to protect the bag, otherwise it’s the end of their career.
Omg. This too is horrific. Both episodes are unthinkable. It is so horrible two groups of people are fighting like this. The difference is to see the bashing of the Isreali's story vs the Palestine's story in these comments. Why do people hate the Jewish people so much? The comments say something.
It's way too heated for that. He did a separate one with a Palestinian woman. Both sides are valid. It's hard to hear both nations hurt like this 🇵🇸🕊🇮🇱🕊
Let’s have this uncomfortable conversation: the cultural and religious oppression of women and gay people in the Middle East. Then we can talk about how “freedom loving” people are.
I knew I didn't have shit in my eyes. I kept pausing the video and checking and I wasn't sure. How's she gonna sit there and say she wants a two state solution and then we're a necklace with the whole of Palestine on it as if it's her birth right to have it all? #FREEPALESTINE 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸
This is not it. I don’t discredit Jewish voices and how they feel but in occupied Palestinian territory where thousands of Palestinian civilians have been slaughtered. Israel turned off Gaza’s water, electricity, and bombed churches and mosques and hospitals innocent civilians stayed in. This is completely one sided and awful conversation.
These two countries have been at war for multiple decades. This didn't start yesterday. I hope someone from the other side come on your show so you can interview them. The loss of lives is horrible, but some medium needs to be reached. We, as a world, can not keep up this horrific site. It pains to watch it on TV. We should be able to agree to disagree. Thanks for your show. You keep moving forward. I am so proud of you.
The medium was the two state solution which is as close to dead today as it has ever been. The arabs rejected it in 1937 and 1947 which soon resulted in the Nakba (disaster in Arabic) and the expulsion of close to a million Palestinians after the first Arab-Israeli war. A two state solution has been rejected by Israel (and the US) ever since, even as Palestinian leaders have been pushing for this since the mid 70's.
@iFantasyKlown You're right as long as a medium can not be upheld or respected, We will be in the same situation for years to come. Thanks for your reply.
Wow people don't listen. Israel offered the land to the Palestinians! HAMAS is the enemy. Why don't you listen. And please listen the slaughter that HAMAS committed. You're still not listening.
It's not 2 countries, it's one occupying another. Jews and Palestinians lived peacefully before the occupation started. Jews fled to the middle east because they were safer there than in Europe or russia.
The refusal of Jews to acknowledge any historical context about this conflict, and the crimes that Israel has committed, is deeply disturbing to people who truly want to see this resolved.
Such as? When IDF calls ahead of time to warn Gazans to vacate, the only crimes are Hamas terrorists who order them to stay behind to serve as human shields. There, I fixed it for ya.
This was honestly pretty disappointing. As someone who has been very outspoken about the struggle of Black Americans, the fact that this would be the video you present on the subject is disappointing. Not even a single mention of the over 4000 Palestinians Israel has killed in the last 2 weeks. No mention of the 75 year occupation. This idea that Israel just left Gaza and handed Palestinians the keys is the biggest load of BS. Israel fully blockaded Gaza and controls everything in and out, people, food, water, electricity, medicine. That's the definition of occupation, even if their soldiers aren't inside the strip, they still control everything. And idk how she has the audacity to say Jews and Israelis feel alone when literally the entire world and every govt is unconditionally supporting Israel even as they commit war crimes against Palestinians. Even if you wanted to present a nuanced both sides conversation this was not it. And regardless there is no both sides in genocide and occupation. Palestinians have been suffering for decades but the world only pays attention when Israeli lives are affected.
Acho is an African immigrant tether, posing as a black american. He does not speak for my people✊🏿💪🏿🇺🇲. This is yet another attempt to drag black americans into other people's dysfunctional mess 🤬
@@estherlyondelsordo6393 He does not speak for my people✊🏿💪🏿🇺🇲. This is yet another attempt to drag black americans into other people's dysfunctional mess 🤬
Emmanuel, thank you for asking the questions and facilitating the conversation. Please put this and your new video with Noura Erakat together so that everyone has to watch both people's pain and insights. If you could blend them together or something. I understand why you've shown them separately, but I think people need to be forced to listen to people from different backgrounds and understanding. Only by hearing perspectives and thoughts, we feel uncomfortable with will we grow and develop a more tolerant, understanding and compassionate society. I stand for Peace.
Gazza may not be occupied by Israel, but Israel controls what go into Gaza and what come out of Gaza as well as from what I heard and read about is that Israel have a color system with citizenship. That’s why people say it’s oppressive. Somewhat sort of like what happened in South Africa. so if she agrees with the same free Palestine, and it should be no issue with other people say it. Now the other people are doing foolish things like putting pictures pictures with it or something like that that goes against What’s going on. Then yes, that person is wrong.
The citizenship thing isn't like all Israelis have 1 citizenship and all Palestinians have 1 citizenship, its more like: Israelis hold 1 citizenship and they have all the freedoms that come with it and Palestinians have another citizenship depending on where they are: So Palestinians inside Israel have 1. Palestinians in the West Bank have a different 1. (is less than the Palestinians inside Israel) The Gaza strip need a permit to go into Israel and Israel can give and take it when it pleases and they're near impossible to get (less than citizenship in the West Bank + East Jerusalem) And then you have the Palestinians outside of Mandatory Palestine (refugees, diaspora, exiled) and they don't have any Palestinian/Israeli citizenship. Most are stateless. The Palestinians exist in a tier model where 1 can move down a tier but you can't move up. Israel also has settler roads, where only settlers can walk and drive on which are heavily guarded by soldiers. Most of the water in the occupied territories is directed to the settlements. Israeli cars have a yellow number plate so they can travel anywhere whereas Palestinians have a green number plate so their travel is restricted to certain road and areas.
Thank you for sharing this, Acho. And I thank this young lady for sharing her heart and story. I commend her strength and willingness to do such an interview. I don't know the whole story of what is going on. But I do know how to pray and have sympathy for lives being lost.
I believe Hamas is conveying the idea that if Palestinians cannot sleep in peace or live in freedom, particularly under the rule of apartheid, then why should the Israelis, viewed as their oppressors, enjoy their rest and freedom? Regardless of who is right or wrong in history, the focus here is that apartheid exist in that region. Unfortunately, terrorism and human sacrifice tend to become common trends and behaviors when there is apartheid in the land. In this context, apartheid is like the seed, and terrorism is the resulting fruit from that seed. Such is the history of mankind. This is innate behavior.
I understand her point but as far as them saying no to two states, what she said is not completely true, they said no because of what the Israeli government wanted the border lines to be which is a big deal. They have said over and over that their issue is with the border lines partly because they want Jerusalem as their capital and Israel said no. I believe she wants peace but how is it that I as an American know better than her what the issue is, and let me be clear before someone call me racist, I don't like either government or Hamas, who I care about is the Israeli and Palestinian people just like I hate the Iranian government but I believe the majority of the Iranian people are good and decent and only want to live in peace but because of the actions of the minority of their people and their government that just like in Israel and the Palestine/Hamas area they end up suffering.
I'm against conflating being anti-Israel with anti-Semitism but you are absolutely right that the world's reaction to what happened on October 7th was disgusting and shameful.
IDK...This felt opportunistic. I think people want to hear the facts and not opposing perspectives. The atrocities are too great for the "lets hear both sides" tactic. Its upsetting.
This is very one-sided. Im very surprised and DISAPPOINTED that Acho took this approach. The Israeli government has engaged in ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians for decades. They have created a system of apartheid. The violence that Hamas created was horrific, but to ignore that the Israeli government has been the oppressor is wrong.
Facts about Israel that the haters of Israel don’t like: 1. Israel became a state in 1312 B.C.E., two millennia before Islam. 2. Arab refugees from Israel began calling themselves “Palestinians” in 1967, two decades after (modern) Israeli statehood in 1948. 3. After conquering the land in 1272 B.C.E., Jews ruled it for a thousand years and maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300 years. 4. The only Arab rule following conquest in 633 B.C.E. lasted just 22 years. 5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital. It was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule,(East) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no Arab leader came to visit it. 6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the bible, but not once is it mentioned in the Qur’an. 7. King David founded Jerusalem; Mohammed never set foot in it. 8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem. 9. In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Jewish presence. 68% of them fled without ever setting eyes on an Israeli soldier. 10. Virtually the entire Jewish population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms. 11. Some 630,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948, while close to a million Jews were forced to leave the Muslim countries. 12. In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arab refugees were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of 100 million refugees following World War 2, they are the only group tohave never integrated with their co-religionists. Most of the Jewish refugees from Europe and Arab lands were settled in Israel,a country no larger than New Jersey, USA. 13. There are 22 Muslim countries, not counting Palestine. There is only one Jewish state. 14. Fatah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel. Israel ceded most of the west bank and all of Gaza to the Palestinian authority, and even provided it with arms. 15. During the Jordanian occupation, Jewish holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Jews. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian holy sites are accessible to all faiths. 16. Out of 175 United Nations Security Council resolutions up to1990, 97 were against Israel; out of 690 general assembly resolutions,429 were against Israel. 17. The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Jews from accessing the temple mount and western wall. 18. Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them.
Thank you for putting a face to the issue that CIVILIANS are facing...there is a bigger context that is hard to capture but this is a start. Nothing nothing nothing at all justifies the horrific attacks that Hamas perpertrated
How can someone who is an author sit there and DENY that Gaza is not an open air prison. Where there's PROOF that the people there are restricted from everything.
It is an open air prison. But why? Research. I can give you a hint... What did they do with all that foreign aid and what happened to Gaza's infrastructure they were given? Please research before accusing.
@@jumpman858Israel barely allow anything into Gaza at all. Also, even IF Gaza had aid and it was distributed in the perfect way you envision, it would still be a prison where Israel put people whose homes they stole. It would simply be a slightly nicer prison.
I’m so sorry for the lost and I’m not justifying murder but I think that what happened in October the 7th It came as a result of the accumulations of oppression, injustice, and suffering, occupation that people in the West Bank and Gaza Strip experience every day for 75 years. This is must be called resistance. But I'm against killing of civilians.
You can't say you are not justifing the most horrific acts, and then give teasons to why they were done. There is NO reason for burning people alive, beheading babies, raping mothers infront of their children and kidnapping civilians!! That is TERRORISM!! Also you should read a book and educate yourself about israel before repeating lies you have heard
Oh my God, what a beautiful woman both in spirit and character 🌟 I received generous and human help during my stay in Canada precisely from the Jewish people, my friends, my brothers. Protect this people with your lives from the persecution of demonic structures.
“Filmed and presented to the world”. Everyone is a witness. Ask yourself the question, what kind of people are capable of committing the most immoral atrocities and filming them for the world to see and celebrate? It is the very definition of pathological extremism.
It seems disingenuous to discuss the generational trauma that will be caused by October 7th without mentioning that Hamas (in its current state) is the result of 75 years worth of generational trauma.
This is disappointing and so transparently biased. I hope you make an effort to have an uncomfortable conversation with a Palestinian author as well. (edit) I'm so glad you are having conversations with both perspectives. What is happening is unfathomable. Thank you for making it possible for us to have an opportunity to listen. I think it's important to remember that the people are NOT the government or the actions of the people with the power and the weapons, who seem bent on a Zero-Sum game regarding the territory, access to resources, safety etc. I understand her grief. But I also think there are key things she omitted regarding government policies. I want to ask what she means by "you can't compare these sides at all".
Humanity belongs to the earth. If it were Flowers versus grass, the earth would still feel the power of the pain on both sides, because they are of our world. Out of all of the planets, we get to exist on this one..... and yet, we kill each other. We distinguish families. We eliminate each other based upon race, religion, gender, beliefs, culture, and everything else we decide is not within our alignment in the future. Every human wants to own something, possess something. In this aire, humanity wishes to own land and more across the world. If it begins with taking lands, it grows to owning people, owning resources, and everything else this world has to offer. Humanity is greedy. Humanity is fickle. Humanity is a gift we take for granted.
This war is seeding more hatred to the victims especially the children. They’ll mature with these memories. Revenge is in their minds. It’s a cycle. It’ll never end. Why her, by the way?
If you really want to have that uncomfortable conversation on your platform you need to have an Israeli and a Palestinian person come face to face and hash out their issues towards one another and that can help society come to their own conclusions instead of being obligated and pressured to support something they might not necessarily support.
That's not going to help
@@satiricgames2129 it's important to happen.
This is just a rant from her perspective. So, I agree with having people from different perspectives to speak to each other.
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My thoughts exactly
What's the point in having "uncomfortable conversations" if when you ask uncomfortable questions, you don't hold your guests accountable to providing uncomfortable answers.
You asked this woman "Then why do they view Israel as the oppressor?" and she responded "Exactly." and you let her.
The way she tells the history of Israel and Palestine, "Israel can almost do no right". She says "We want freedom for Palestinians too. I can't say it in so many words. There were peace offerings given to the Palestinian people many times throughout history. And they kept saying no." There's no acknowledgement of the occupation of Palestinian land that the UN considers illegal. There's no acknowledgement of the actions against Palestinians that constitute genocide or ethnic cleansing. The way she talks of the history - on a complicated and disputed topic - the only interpretation of events she leaves is that Palestinians have never wanted peace even when given exactly what they were asking for, which is obviously untrue.
So why did you let her communicate that impression on your platform without challenging it?
Even if you're coming at this from the angle of seeking neutrality and empathetic understanding and also of not knowing what to believe and seeking more information, hearing one "expert" turn the other side of the discussion into an inexplicable monolith where her people are obviously the Good Guys who are unfairly maligned for no reason - that really ought to have made you feel like you weren't being given a fair depiction of events. And if you aren't wiling or able to identify that on a topic when it happens - especially one so raw and mired in conflicting accounts as this one is - you really ought to not bring that topic onto your platform as though some sort of nuance is going to be presented. You don't have to lead discussions on every topic if you don't know enough about them do to so responsibly.
The arabs rejected a two state solution in 37 and 47, then invaded Israel. This was before any occupation of Palestinian land that is in the UN partition plan, before any ethnic cleansing and before any genocide.
Since the first Arab-Israeli war there has basically been no progress on any sort of peace plan or solution to the conflict. These days, mostly thanks to Israel and the US as the Palestinians have changed their tune since getting their shit pushed in several times over the decades.
Perfectly said!
this is the one! thank you!
my thoughts the entire time watching this
Palestine isn't a real country
Im trying to be 100% empathetic but its hard hearing something one community feels they deserve that is denied to others.
THANK YOU
Do you have that same energy for Palestinians, or only.Israelis? Because you realize Hamas doesn't want Israel to exist at all, unlike Israel who has made various peace offers over the years for a two state solution? Not to mention Hamas openly states they want all Jews around the world to be killed. It's literally in their charter.
People were at a dance festival, and all of them were civilians. More than 200 were deliberately killed, some with unimaginable cruelty. Some of them are still held as hostages. Is it something that you find hard to be empatic with?
@@Malgus87 🤣🤣🤣
@@yuriyvidineev3505 im referring to her conversation. What happened was horrific.
Mr Emmanuel, Big respect for your show! Ms Noa, I am horrified to see atrocities committed by Hamas on October 7. I grieve with the families of all the victims. But I must tell you one thing since I am from Bosnia and Herzegovina where we have lived through the biggest siege that happened on the European soil after World War II, in Sarajevo during the aggression on our country, that your statement about "Israel does not occupy Gaza" , militarily perhaps Israeli army withdrew from the Gaza Strip, BUT IT IS ABSOLUTELY controlled by Israel. I visited in 2013 Israel and it was impossible to enter and visit Gaza. So I quite disagree about your statements about Israel especially having visited the West Bank and Occupied Territories and the humiliation that the Palestinians are living there. Its the politics of Israel that created Hamas, unfortunately.
I don’t believe that the politics of Israel created Hamas. I believe that hatred for Jews has existed amongst Arab culture for a long time. I think if you get to the core of it Israelis are more much willing to live in peace with Palestinians then vice versa.
Israel will always play a victim .
I am sorry for what you went through but you are wrong. You are unfortunately convoluting Israel defending its borders with occupation.
No I am not wrong. It is what I have seen with my own eyes. So i do not have any wish whatsoever to ever visit Israel. It is simple as that.
@@goldielikes3
Yes you are wrong. I lived in Kosova for one year writing about families who have still not found the bodies of their loved ones following the Kosova-Serbian war and have close friends who have lost their mothers, sisters and spouses in that war. I would never dream of arguing with a Kosovar-Albanian about what they went through and their realities.
You visited Israel ONCE and think you can comment intelligently on the actual situation? Ludicrous.
We don’t need you visiting Israel. That’s ok. We will live.
Are you going to interview an author from Palestine as well? That would really be true to your word about uncomfortable conversations.
He'd get cancelled. He knows what he's doing
Yes he is
Amen
@@crunkin1t590he advertised talking with both. 🙏❤️
Wow...I spoke some "uncomfortable" truths about #ACHO and race and received a notice from TH-cam ....smh unh unh unh....I already KNEW I would strike a cord, because I was speaking FACTS..... that shit hurt so they removed my comment
Point Proven.
#FREEPALESTINIANS 🇵🇸
#FREEGAZA ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽
Israelis stand with theirs and it's "admirable"....people of color stand with theirs and it's somehow " inappropriate" or misplaced....BEAT IT.....Naming racism does not equate to antisemitism
Stand with your tribe!
Everything she says about what happened to israelis, i see is happening to palestinians all the time, since i'm a child, back in the 90s ... and that's what i observed, it was already going on and is still since 1948 ...
Can you list the things that israel has done since "whatever happened to israelis, i see is happening to palestinians all the time, since a child"? Which specific things has israel done that palestine has done to israel? What extra things have palestinians done to israels that the israelis have not done back? Special/specific differences?
@@JohnDorian-j7x you right, israel did even worse things to them, like deportation, mass murderer, imprisoning, calling them "animals" (as a POC from effing germany, the most disgusting thing one can hear...) and so on ... should i be more specific, troll?
I’m curious to know as aell
I think it’s hard to see people who are trying to stand with the civilians on both sides and against the leadership regimes that perpetuate this cycle when they are processing pain-especially when generational trauma is involved. I think she touched on that several times intellectually without being fully able to embrace it in her grief, but that Jewish people all over the world have demonstrated that they can which means they do need to be able to process their grief and have people support them through it as they have supported others. but that means this conversation may need to be revisited. when you asked her when this all started, she said it started on October 7-it did not. she said that the Israeli government-and let’s all try to phrase it that way because it’s not the people who were victims of a terrorist attack on October 7 or Jewish people more generally-gave the Gazans the keys when they’ve been blockaded in for 16 years. that’s not giving them the keys. she ignored that the West Bank is occupied. but let’s also take a moment to note that Hamas has not allowed an election to happen since they came to power 16 years ago. with a population where the voting age is 18 and 64% of people are under the age of 24, we have to interrupt this notion that they somehow voted for Hamas. very few of the people who did are still alive and they were never given an opportunity to correct those votes in a subsequent election. Hamas are not the people of Gaza and I would like them to be held accountable-but I’d also like compassion for the Gazans to remain throughout and after because, if we don’t, it’s likely another terrorist organization will succeed them and that is not safe for anyone. the Israeli government has also expanded settlements in the West Bank without a solution agreed to by the Palestinian people. again, she’s in justifiable grief and I hope you revisit these conversations at regular intervals because mortality salience combined with generational trauma is a hell of a drug. I think revisiting it will help people have a more nuanced understanding and maybe allow your interviewees to show how they’re evolving through all of this-and “this” also includes the resurgence of white Christian nationalism in this country which is making all of us less safe.
The Israeli army in fact left Gaza in 2005, they even forced settlers to leave with them. The infrastructure at that time was about alright - Ms Tishby mentions the greenhouses as an example.
What did Hamas do? That same night the army left, they attacked Christians and burnt down the synagogues, which were the last remains of the abandoned settlements. Shortly after that they took the tubings of the functioning sewage system to build rockets and attacked Israeli villages. They started a civil war to reassure power and implemented a system of corruption. They lived in wealth while the ordinary population remained poor and hungry.
The Israeli blockade of the years to follow was a direct result of these events.
@@BVBforever90 there should not have been settlements there in the first place-how can you have a two state solution when one state keeps encroaching on the land set aside for the other? obviously even if the buildings in the evacuated settlements were previously used as synagogues that doesn’t mean burning them down was a good idea. but blockading in Gaza was not a good idea either. blockading them in and bombing them periodically doesn’t ensure that infrastructure remains in the same condition-again, having the keys imply you can leave. I’m not making excuses for Hamas-you may also need some time to process your grief if you think I am despite the care I took in ensuring that was not the case. FFS: I even made sure to point out that Hamas has not allowed elections since they took power. if you understand what conditions they forced upon the civilians, I don’t know how we can’t agree that the civilians deserve compassion. I don’t know why you expect fewer terrorist to come to power when the response to a terrorist attack is shoving people’s noses in the dirt with the military power that my taxes are paying for. this is also about our safety in the US from ever experiencing another 9-11 terrorist attack amidst all the re-emerging domestic terrorism we’re dealing with. and now they’re reporting that Houthi rebels may have tried to hit Israel today all the way from Yemen because of what is happening. do you think Israel is safer now? do you think every day Israeli civilians will sleep easier tonight? because I don’t. this is exactly the kind of escalation I was worried about. the Israeli government has one of the best intelligence operations in the world backed by one of the best intelligence operations in the world. if they just wanted to take out Hamas, it would have happened a long time ago. I’m also starting to get the sneaking suspicion that BiBi wanted this conflict because of how bad things were going for him politically. I think he may have deliberately ignored intelligence. it’d probably be a first for the Israeli government, but plenty of others have done it before-we’ve done it at least twice. but I’m equally wondering what was included in that Five Eyes intel that the former guy shared and whether it made it’s way to Hamas enabling them to do this. so take a break and feel what you’re feeling if you cannot process someone going out of their way not to blame civilians anywhere and to make sure they saving plenty of blame for the terrorist group in the equation. have whatever catharsis you need. none of us have to pick a favorite monster. we can all stand with the civilians on both sides of any stupid wall that a government or a terrorist group puts up. empathy is not a finite resource.
Margaret Thatcher of the UK orchestrated the Falklands war at her most unpopular time to get herself and government Re-elected. Beyond doubt that was let happen and it worked. So the world is made aware of 6 hrs of torture death and NOISY terror in Israel and 14 days later on the brink of something much more terrifying we are still wondering why it took 6 hours for the IDF to turn up ? Yes this may have been allowed for a perceived greater good …. this is helping both Bibi and Biden.
All the world is a stage and we civilians don’t have the script.
Hamas are not Gazans, you’re correct, but Hamas has controlled Gaza for a very long time & that’s a critical to everything else. Hamas regularly takes resources that the people of Gaza receive from Israel, such as money, concrete, food, etc, & use it for themselves. Instead of building schools & businesses, which would increase the standard of living in Gaza, Hamas builds tunnels w/ the concrete & diverts money for weapons that should go to the Palestinian people for food, shelter, clothing, etc.
@@BVBforever90The settlers just moved to the West Bank, where they kill dozens of people (including children) every single week for free houses
My heart hurts for the Israeli people and Jews across the world. It’s horrific what’s happening in Israel, without a doubt. But the arguments shared here (pro-Israel) are what I hear so often, and they neglect to use the full history of Israel, Palestine, and this conflict to inform the conversation. This historical context is critical to understanding the modern conflicts between the two people groups, specifically because the Zionist movement was and is incredibly harmful to the Palestinian people. I have no doubt that many (most?) Israelis and Jews throughout the world want peace with Palestine, but what does the Israeli government want? What do Israel’s allies want? The Israeli government needs major reformation and they need to stop the imprisonment of the Palestinian people. Gaza isn’t some utopia that Israel gifted to the Palestinians like this video and many stories like it claim it to be. But I’ll say it again, none of this discounts the pain, suffering, and trauma that many, many Jews the world over are experiencing. Jews need our support right now, as do Palestinians. And let’s educate ourselves on the full history of the conflict so we can have truly informed conversations about this instead of blanket support for one side or the other. Also, who is pro-Hamas?? Other than perhaps extremists, I’ve yet to see someone explicitly or implicitly supporting Hamas and their heinous acts. That part is very confusing to me.
When you see far-left laughing and saying that the "hipsters" got what they deserved while waving a Palestinian flag... pretty much says they agree with what Hamas did.
Sure, absolutely. I don’t see that being common, however. There will always be extremists, but the overwhelming majority of what we’re seeing is support for the Israelis. That isn’t the same thing as support for the Israeli government, however.
@@davidc-l9174 All I have seen is the far-left (I'm a leftist but not extreme) saying that Israel deserved it and they are colonizers.
@@NessaBear90 Do you really think right-wingers/conservatives give a darn about Jews and Israel? All of those people in Charlottesville yelling, "Jews will not replace us" were conservative/Republican/Donald Trump supporters. The shooter at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh was a card carrying member of the Donald Trump/MAGA cult. Show me where someone on the far-left in america has committed a similar atrocity? The level of Jewish bigotry on the right/conservative/Repbulcian side is immensely greater than what is seen on the left.
I appreciate the support. and I’d like to recommend this short video about the history. This is a travel guide from Israel like me, but you can completely fact check everything he is saying. I’d like to add this is not a conflict about land, this is an Ideological issue. You might also like to watch Interviews with ‘son of Hamas’ not only from the past few days but from years ago. th-cam.com/video/XNf40sBcvKk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xvNpKOj8VtmF8ND0
I can't imagine being a Palestinian after this happened, knowing you didn't do this and the horror that was coming bc of it to your people. Israel needs to step back and deal w/the offenders not Palistine as the Palistinian people have been in a state of apartheid for 60 plus years.
How do you distinguish the members of Hamas from the people living in Gaza?
@@babyfaec Do you have to kill them both bc you can't?? Is it necessary to do more harm to everyone instead of using words and middle ground?
@@beeamendola How would words help after a terror attack that killed 1300 people?
Just look to the US response after 9/11.
I obviously abhor the violence of both sides but how can you sit there and comment that "just punish the offenders and not the other people" is a realistic path or even possible AT ALL to accomplish?
@@babyfaecSo you're okay with the "War on Terror" that ensued for years afterward? Are you serious?
@@kenyett7 The opposite.
As a Jew, I understand the emotions she is going through. But there's simply no excuse for what Israel is doing in Gaza and the West Bank right now and I'm disappointed she didn't have to sit with a second of discomfort about it.
It's Genocide going on in Gaza atm
Exactly. Totally dehumanizing the other side and irresponsible non-answers to the question why.
Thats echos fault. He should have been prepared more for the interview
You are absolutely right. I am very delighted that there are Jews like yourself that know the real agony in what is going on in Gaza. I praise your comment ❤
Hamas has a whole underground city I'd weapons and tunnels to harm Israel, what are they supposed to do about it? Ignore it and let another massacre happen in two years? They are trying to blow up Hamas but Hamas hides behinds civilians
My father was right. They hate us because we are Jewish.
I am in shock how much hate I keep seeing from so many.
Where is the humanity?
Define what it means to "stand with Hamas". Because if you mean condemning them and wanting them to be stopped while at the same time questioning the human rights violations that Israel's government is doing to innocent people, then I can get behind that. If you mean that you cannot hold the Israeli government accountable for human rights violations because of this terrorist attack, then no, that is a precisely wrong definition. Remember, you can support Palestine and Israel. Questioning these leaders and their supporters is not supporting the other side. It's calling into question their actions. Specifically THEIR actions. It has nothing to do with the other side.
Just like U.S. cops can't tell "peaceful" mingled BLM protestors from rioters, Israelis have a hard time telling Hamas from run of the mill Muslims.
Exactly, you’re spot on
Exactly
what human rights violations?
Chanting from the rivers to the sea is being Pro hamas and pro genocide of Jews
To say that Israel left Gaza alone, left houses and fields but with monitored resources and stipulations, sounds a lot like when a colonizer leaves their colonized. They have it in shambles, and to think that Gaza was left in a perfect condition is so disingenuous.
Even after vacating Gaza Israel did what it had to do to protect itself from a population which historically killed and attacked Israel and Israelis.
@@mikeg5280 Let’s say that was 100% the case, in which things don’t happen in a vacuum, but let’s say that Israel has historically had an issue with the other groups. Should people always hold onto historic treatment, or should progress be factored in? An example is how black Americans have historically been treated by those in power, should they defend themselves in the same manner or should they assess the progress made. That narrative is often stated.
And Israel protecting itself against a situation they had a large part in creating? They don’t want accountability and people enable that.
@@mikeg5280 Israel didn't "vacate" Gaza. They made it a prison. Just because the guards are are in the stands doesn't mean the guards aren't there
You're just pushing a-historical, Israeli propaganda
And, also, there have always historically been Jewish people in Palestine. Zionists (different than just being jewish) started the conflict by getting with the British to steal Palestinian land. Painting the zionists as historical victims isn't supported by historical fact
It’s similar to saying the US gave indigenous people the keys to the reservation and then went on to violate treaty after treaty. It’s utter nonsense and tells such a tiny sliver of the story with no acknowledgment of how they got there.
Actually they didn't leave. That's the lie they keep repeating so that enough gullible people would believe their lies. What they did was that the Gazans gave their illegal settlers a hard time, they couldn't keep them in there so they removed the settlers and besieged Palestinians. F*cking liars.
When you do this: The State of Israel was created on May 14, 1948. The United Nations passed Resolution 181, also known as the Partition Plan, on November 29, 1947.
The resolution divided the British Mandate of Palestine into Arab and Jewish states.
The resolution left Jerusalem under UN control.
The Arab states rejected the resolution. This led to a civil war in 1947 and the first Arab-Israeli War after Israel was created.
What do you expect is going to happen? You cannot walk into an area and claim it to be another land. If the United Nations came into America and took away some land to give it to another group of people what do you think is going to happen?
Notice America did the same thing with the Native Americans. When you do things like this you can cause generational long conflict.
As an American...I can tell you it's gonna get ugly
It was conquered. The land was a part of the United Kingdom. Before that it had been a part of the Ottoman Empire for 400 years. No arab sovereign states had existed in that area for 400 years.
@@babyfaec It wasn't conquered, if it was conquered then the United Kingdom could have forced them to comply. They didn't comply because they had sovereignty which they STILL have to this day.
That's what you don't understand, the United Kingdom did not have the power to do what they did. When you have the power you can ENFORCE your will, and its clear as day that they could not.
For example using America as an example. If the Union lost the war they would not have the authority to tell the South what to do. You are only as powerful as your ability to enforce your will.
@@ralx225b So Israel is justified in what they are doing today since they obviously have the ability to enforce their will, and have done so for decades.
@@babyfaec Everybody is justified from their point of view. What isn't justified is pretending that taking out land from a group of people and giving it to another isn't going to cause problems.
If I came to your house told you to leave because I am giving it to another group of people you are not going to go quietly into the night.
But here is the biggest kicker for you. Define what a Jew is. Then I'll show you that there is no way to PROVE that you are a Jew. And how this whole experiment is a farce.
These should be everyday conversations with friends, family, neighbors to create better understanding and empathy for each other
It would not work though, as long as there is apartheid.
This seems like Israeli propaganda
Sorry acho but this wasn't an uncomfortable conversation. This was a pro Israeli conversation.
Facts
Thank you for sharing this Acho.
I had a Palestinian friend tell me that he feels bad for the Jews for this event bc all this pain they are in reminds him of the pain he feels on a daily basis.
I feel for this woman but she really is over simplifying the conflict. I’d love to hear her take on what’s been happening in the West Bank.
Palestinians love to pretend like they're the victims of Israel when really they're the victims of themselves and almost everything they claim is false.
This!!
Lol the pain he feels is a unfulfilled list for power.
@@AmonAnon-vw3hr sounds like someone is projecting.
@@TheLethalknife😂😂😂😂 ok. Didn’t realize the Palestinians were occupying themselves
Folks complaining about how he needs to have someone from Palestine come in clearly didn't pay attention to what he said at the end, or notice what it says in the description - this is a TWO PART episode. This was the FIRST episode. The second is an interview with a Palestinian-American. I am assuming that to show balance, this other person is probably going to be in/from a similar life experience (parent, writer, etc).
And yes, these are softer questions, but consider the fact that she is clearly traumatized and dealing with that generational trauma coming to life in front of her. Asking the 'harder, tougher' questions at this time, when this is so fresh, is just cruel. I honestly expect the questions to be pretty similar in the next episode, and if they're not, THEN complain about the bias.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is being presented as something meant to educate people unfamiliar with the situation. I understand she's going throught trauma and may not be in a mental state to answer hard questions. Personally, I think that makes her the wrong person to bring here, but I can overlook that. I can't overlook the lack of critique to the misinformation she shared. If the intent is education, there should have been some context provided either before or after the interview or it should have been one episode with both people so they can critique each other.
And im sure the Palestinian interviewee will tell the history of Palestinians being forced off their land by European-Jews, then faced genocide. And that's why Israel is seen as the oppressors. Ms. Noa dodged that question like Neo from the Matrix.
@@TheBusyJane Thank you! That was as bad as privileged Americans when asked about the Native American Indians and African slaves.
We don't care about the ancestors of the rapists citizens.
Being against Israel is not the same as anti-Semitism. Stop conflating them.
@hawkwing3 😢oh my goodness...these two are very related!!!!! Like the amazing Dr. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR said..."when people criticize zionists, they means Jews..."
The thing that you don't understand mate. And I'm sure you're not Jewish by the sounds of your comment. Is they mean Jewe and general even us who are anti Zionists and who live outside of Israel
100% ... they try to shame people against speaking out about what they don't like about this war / the Israeli govt tactics.
@@lexakellington123 are you sure that's what you want? Days ago z!onist mobs supporting the right for soldiers to s0domize Palestinian "prisoners" broke out - another great example of z!onist PR
That is an insane take TBH. Jewish people have been systematically oppressed since Roman times. There is no such people as Palestinians, they are Arabs given a new name for political purposes. Arabs who have colonized all of North Africa by force now cry genocide and it's been working well for them.
Can someone kindly point me in the correct direction to obtain access to these proofs that Israel offered the options for a 2 state & it was rejected numerous times?
History.
Honestly, this interview highlights the need for an intra-Jewish uncomfortable conversation. There are Israeli organizations (e.g., Breaking the Silence and B'tselem) that document the atrocities that the Israeli government and settlers commit on a regular basis, how discriminatory policies that are in place, etc. that individuals like Nao Tishby either refuse to come to grips with or haven't had exposure to. Having Noa sit down with someone from the Jewish/Israeli community who can provide an understanding of the conditions and struggles of Palestinians (as well as other non-Ashkenazi Jews for that matter) will be the only way this conversation changes. Her bias forces her to be believe in the best of Israel, while the reality is significantly more complicated.
She lives there, has family there. She sees the reality first hand. She has herself criticized Israel on many fronts. Why does she need to hear from others?Stop patronizing
@@Bananabear20 First, she sees her reality - not 'the' reality. Asking for a diversity of perspectives is not patronizing. It's providing a wider array of perspectives - which in this case is extremely important given that the other perspective is widely disregarded yet the only one that is uses objective metrics - not mythology, tribalism, and indoctrination. A huge part of the challenge with this discussion is that those seeking to preserve status quo simply throw ad hominem attacks (specifically claims of anti-semitism) out against anyone from outside the community they disagree with to avoid discussing issues they are uncomfortable with. It's a tactic used often by extremist groups (e.g., fascists) to destroy dialog and avoid accountability. Removing the ability for someone to use these lazy tactics limits easy outs for those seeking to avoid discussing the subject outside of a childish good vs. evil and other narratives.
@@greinerphil why do you "the reality" better than her...
Comparing this Hamas attack to the Holocaust is insulting. Its wild to me how ppl can so casually compare one of the most tragic events in human history (the holocaust) to every other events. The Hamas attack was tragic but it is not Holocaust 2.0. Also the Israeli lives lost on that one day are not more deserving of compassion and comcern than the thouaands of Palestinians that have died at the hands of the Israeli govt.
Cmon Acho. I expected more fact checking if you’re gonna give them a platform to say their side.
It can’t just suddenly be “look it up”, “they said no!”.
WTF is this? I hope you really learn from this missed opportunity, as the damage it caused is substantial.
literally. This isn't an "uncomfortable conversation". This is an opinion with little to no facts. She also focuses alot ON HAMAS AND NOT ON THE ISRAELI GOVERMENT
This woman had reality so convenient for zionist side, as if they are angels, and can do and never did any wrong
You better ask her about the illegal land occupation as well as the 70 years of ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinians...
i SEE , you fuck around you find out. Isreal has been fucking around for a while.
And even when it's not ethnic cleansing or genocide it's at a minimum ethnic displacement.
She dodged that fact when ask why is Israel seen as oppressors? She knows exactly why. She failed the test just like privileged people do in America.
@@holly_wood26 You can't be serious.. Great-Brittan, the same people the American colonizers descend from stole the land with lies and piece of paper, for Euro-Jews on Arabic land! "Nakba"! Now you go learn the history.
Israel gave back Gaza 20 years ago. By the way, Egypt used to occupy Gaza.
For this conversation to be nuanced, history needed to be involved. It's only by looking back that we can understand what has happened, and I think this conversation really fell short of what it could be because that history was missing.
I also think it's problematic to present both sides as if the two nations hold the same power, wealth and resources. Many people are seeking to boost Palestinian voices right now because they have been silenced for so many years.
Just some feedback.
Can we have the same conversation with an author from Palestine. I'm sure one is not hard to find.
You're right!
You got it and all she did was tell fake stories lol..
I wholeheartedly don't agree with the attack or with Hamas. But it's time to be honest. The people on the Gazas strip are being literally starved. They are cut off from the rest of the world.
So justifying it
@@satiricgames2129 no one's justifying anything.
When Israel cuts off electricity, food and water as well as life saving medical aid to 2.2 million Palestinians, when Israel calls for the forcible transfer of 1.1 million Palestinians from Northern Gaza, when 3,000 Palestinian children (and counting) have been murdered, when Israel bombs Churches, Mosques, and HOSPITALS, how can any person stand with a country that does that?
When Israel describes the Palestinians as 'nothing but human animals and they will be dealt with as such' , when they use rhetoric like mowing the lawn and putting them on a diet, people with humanity aren't going to blindly support Israel.
'Israel isn't occupying Gaza' and yet they control what and who moves in and out of the Gaza strip and have imposed a 16 year long seige on the strip by land, sea and air. You can't expect people to side with a colonial nation, furthering American imperialism and oppressing the Palestinians under an apartheid system.
Most of the world has suffered from colonialism, from American imperialism, from the western world's racists/orientalist views of the global south and people haven't forgotten what was done to them and their grandparents.
Like many are looking at Israel and seeing the double standards and the lack of accountability and we're all fucking tired of it.
#freepalestine
This isn't a good idea. It should be an author and or lecturer from Palestine and Israel. Nuance for a real conversation.
Agreed there’s tones of experts on both sides this woman is not an expert she is just a famous person
There’s A separate conversation with an author from the Palestinian side. When you get two people together, they do usually end up speaking over each other.
Ms. Noa, I hear your pain. My heart breaks for the massacre that happened to the Jewish people in Israel. I am praying for the families who had loved ones killed or held hostage. May God see them safely home. I am also praying for all the innocent children on both sides of this war to be safe and unharmed. God commands us to love, but as humans, it seems that we are incapable of this. May my words encourage someone today.a
75 years of suffering
I totally, 100% feel the exact same way. Hate is combated with love , not more hate. May Israelis and Palestinians find peace
The whole "other miniority groups should fight for us because we fought for them" doesn't move me....at all! Your enemy is NOT automatically my enemy. Especially when we consider that U.S. police departments and enforcement officers often participate in exchange programs with Israel, adopting militarized tactics that have been used there to police Black communities in the United States. These tactics only compound the already harmful methods historically employed in this country, and there is MORE than enough evidence to support this. I am 100000000% oppose settler colonialism, genocide, the Israeli occupation of Palestinians, ethnic cleansing, and apartheid. I wholeheartedly stand in solidarity with all efforts to free Palestinians from Israeli occupation. Paulo Freire's statement is clearer today than ever "The oppressed, instead of striving for liberation, tend themselves to become oppressors". FREE PALESTINE!!! THERE ARE NO "BOTH SIDES" TO GENOCIDE/ETHNIC CLEANSING/APARTHEID!!!
I'm a Black American and I stand against hate and violence. Be strong.
The fact he said they stood by the black community is a joke
So brave of you. Do you also stand against cancer and child slavery?😂
Yes I stand against child slavery. In Arabs countries you will find a lot of black children enslaved by them. Are you brave enough to call that out?
@@TheCastedone Facts!!! The second I seen acho talking about this subject, I knew his immigrant tether ass was gone attach black americans to it.
Thank you. If you can, please provide comfort to your Jewish friends, that would be great. Fay stood up for civil rights for you.
I love Emmanuel Acho. He is more thoughtful than 99% of media personalities. I appreciate the fact that he lets people talk. However, there needs to be some follow-up questions/rebuttals. Its easy to say "Israel left Gaza", but there should be a follow-up "yeah but you have it under blockade so food can't get in and the water is undrinkable" or she can say "we offered them a state" but there is no questions about what the borders looked like or a mention of the fact that the entire Arab League offered normalization of relations in 2002 in exchange for withdrawal to the 67 borders.
The blockade was imposed only after they started launching rockets. Food and Medicine have been going into the Gaza strip continuously since the blockade had been imposed, except during active fighting. Besides, the Gaza strip also borders Egypt. Why is Israel expected to supply its enemies with food, water, fuel and electricity???
No one is expecting israel to supply anything. However, the blockade prevents anyone from letting supplies get in. I'm not the one who coined the phrase largest open air prison. Also, Hamas has no presence in the West Bank but that doesn't stop Israel from stealing land and attacking civilians there.
@@ctownaqib Again I repeat, supplies have been getting in from land crossings (from Israel) all the time. The blockade was designed to ensure no ammunition got in... if anything, the latest atrocities should serve as an example to why the blockade was so necessary... but the weaponry did get in through the Egyptian border... in other words, the blockade was only from the Israeli side and certainly does not warrant the "open air prison" term.
BTW Hamas certainly has presence in the west bank. Israel's presence in the west bank is designed to prevent this area from turning into a second "Gaza", armed to the teeth. Many terror attacks against Israelis came from West bank Palestinians.
Israel's presence in the West Bank is to steal more land. If terrorism was the reason why would you put 700K settlers there?
@@eyaled9367right...the blockade actually ensured that for the first few years of the blockade that the gazans lived at a caloric deficit. Out of spite, they prevented chocolate from entering. They prevent construction grade wood and steel to enter. They control water, 90% of water is undrinkable. You're being highly disingenuous.
The hamas presence in the west bank is so small that it's not material. There are over 2M Palestinians in the west bank, .01% is Hamas
Thanks for the interview but tbh it never got uncomfortable. It was like Emmanuel held back tough questions b/c the author got more animated and impassioned. No questions about the displacement of 800k people in '48, the occupation of West Bank, or Israel's blockade on Gaza (especially when she said Israel isn't occupying Gaza), etc.
But I appreciate bringing her on and hearing her perspective.
And no discussions of Hamas being voted in during 2007. Or Israel having Muslims in their Government and not the same in Palestine. No discussion of a possible 85% of Palestinians being compliant with Hamas and NOT so innocent after all. Obviously the children are innocent and that's sad.
@@undericesinger Muslims in the Israeli government.... Only an idiot thinks they don't mean to fix that.
Now talk about those underground tunnels in NYC
Can't wait to hear from the Palestinian side.
Can't wait? Really??? Another brainwashed person who's disregarding the satanic brutality of hamas' slaughter fest...smh...so shameful. Please educate yourself!!!!
Check out Mosab Hassan Yousef, a Palestinian and the son of the founder of Hamas, and you’ll figure it out much better than you would with any other speaker.
@thk929 🫂🫂👍👍
Thank you for having this conversation. I look forward to seeing the interview with the Palestinian author in part 2. Unfortunate that so many seem to have missed the obvious that you are hosting a conversation and not a monologue. Thank you again, Emmanuel for being willing to present the uncomfortable.
This didn’t start on October7th, No one who believes in humanity agrees with what happened, but your ignorance of historical events prevents you from from facilitating at truly uncomfortable conversations without challenging her narrative!
It is extremely difficult to take this conversation seriously when your guest refuses to believe Israel does in fact occupy Gaza.
Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005. In 2006 the Palestinian people voted Hamas into power. They have been in political control ever since, and haven't allowed new elections. Why would they vote Hamas into power? Most say it was due to the widely accepted anti-american, Israeli and European sentiment. Now does Israel have crazy control on Gaza? Oh yeah, they control all the borders and the sea. They say this is to maintain control of Hamas. So do they keep a tight grip on Gaza? Yeah, sometimes brutal. But they do not, in fact, actually occupy Gaza.
that country is the most guarded country in the world, you mean to tell me 3.5k hamas fighters entered the most protected region in the world. They have a dome that shoots down rockets that are targeted at the city. It does not make any sense to me
It was Russia
I watched both of these conversations. The REAL uncomfortable conversation would be Noura Erakat & Noa Tishby sitting down and listening to each other. It is not difficult to speak, it is difficult to listen.
I wish she would have explained why she thinks that "Israel" and "Jewish" are the same!!!
I agree, he didn't pose the question. But Jews came from Judea which is present day Israel.
6th Netanyahu cabinet
Netanyahu's coalition partners rejected the two-state solution. In February 2023, Netanyahu said he would be willing to grant Palestinians autonomy but not sovereignty, and in any future deal Israel would maintain full security control of the West Bank.
What a waste of time. The only thing uncomfortable about this conversation was me listing to how he pandered to every Zionist view of the conflict without ever challenging that narrative.
What a waste of time that you don't do your studying and comment on things you don't know about. Read a book.
Great answers Noa!! Thank you for speaking up for Israel and Jewish people around the world. We hope for brighter days for all!! 🇮🇱🇮🇱
Does 'never again' apply to Palestinians?
Excellent question
Dropped the ball with this video
This lady just said that "everytime we have come to the table to talk about how much of YOUR LAND we want to give to you" is straight BS. And she really believes this too.
It’s not their land
She's an actress, and she can act.
Okay! Thank you for having an Israeli on. She was brilliant in this mess.
Hoping this ain’t some pro Israel shit that all Celebs are doin. Protecting that bag at the cost of people’s lives is crazy 🇵🇸
Already is bro. Didn’t even take long.
@briantran8731 If you knew who the founders of Hollywood are it makes since why a lot of celebrities are under obligation to support Israel and their people. That “certain group” still runs Hollywood to this day, so yes they are doing what they feel they need to do to protect the bag, otherwise it’s the end of their career.
Omg. This too is horrific. Both episodes are unthinkable. It is so horrible two groups of people are fighting like this.
The difference is to see the bashing of the Isreali's story vs the Palestine's story in these comments. Why do people hate the Jewish people so much? The comments say something.
If people really cared about palestinains they should rally against Hamas. Hamas holds its own hostage.
The truth is coming to light and you cannot hide from it anymore !!!
A real conversation would have two sides talking to each other. Isn't this an interview?
It's way too heated for that. He did a separate one with a Palestinian woman. Both sides are valid. It's hard to hear both nations hurt like this 🇵🇸🕊🇮🇱🕊
What blows my mind is that the leadership of Hamas like live in Abu Dhabi or some fancy hotel in the UAE
An "Uncomfortable Conversation" would've started with "why do you believe you belong on the land?"
so where do jews belong?
@@Bananabear20 1.) They aren't Jews., and 2.) They are from the Caucasus Mountains, Poland, Russia, and other European countries.
@@Bananabear20where did they belong before 1946?
@@roneyg_509 you mean 1948b babe?
The Palestinian people have been living in nightmare for 75 years because of Isreal. End the occupation, restore justice.
I would have liked to see a roundtable from both sides. There are too many conflicting narratives .
Let’s have this uncomfortable conversation: the cultural and religious oppression of women and gay people in the Middle East. Then we can talk about how “freedom loving” people are.
She has the entire map of Palestine as a necklace. Meaning they intend to take over the entire land and not adhere to a two-state solution.
I knew I didn't have shit in my eyes. I kept pausing the video and checking and I wasn't sure.
How's she gonna sit there and say she wants a two state solution and then we're a necklace with the whole of Palestine on it as if it's her birth right to have it all?
#FREEPALESTINE 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸
This is not it. I don’t discredit Jewish voices and how they feel but in occupied Palestinian territory where thousands of Palestinian civilians have been slaughtered. Israel turned off Gaza’s water, electricity, and bombed churches and mosques and hospitals innocent civilians stayed in. This is completely one sided and awful conversation.
"If Israelis don't want to be accused of being like the Nazis, they simply need to stop behaving like Nazis" Norman Finkelstein
She said it all so well and she politely, what she didn’t dare to say is that the world barks free Palestine out of complete ignorance
Hey what's up with IDF soldiers raising their Israel flag on the beach in Gaza? I thought this was about Hamas??
These two countries have been at war for multiple decades. This didn't start yesterday. I hope someone from the other side come on your show so you can interview them. The loss of lives is horrible, but some medium needs to be reached. We, as a world, can not keep up this horrific site. It pains to watch it on TV. We should be able to agree to disagree. Thanks for your show. You keep moving forward. I am so proud of you.
The medium was the two state solution which is as close to dead today as it has ever been. The arabs rejected it in 1937 and 1947 which soon resulted in the Nakba (disaster in Arabic) and the expulsion of close to a million Palestinians after the first Arab-Israeli war. A two state solution has been rejected by Israel (and the US) ever since, even as Palestinian leaders have been pushing for this since the mid 70's.
@iFantasyKlown You're right as long as a medium can not be upheld or respected, We will be in the same situation for years to come. Thanks for your reply.
Wow people don't listen. Israel offered the land to the Palestinians! HAMAS is the enemy. Why don't you listen. And please listen the slaughter that HAMAS committed. You're still not listening.
Palestine is NOT a country really, Israel runs everything there
It's not 2 countries, it's one occupying another. Jews and Palestinians lived peacefully before the occupation started. Jews fled to the middle east because they were safer there than in Europe or russia.
The refusal of Jews to acknowledge any historical context about this conflict, and the crimes that Israel has committed, is deeply disturbing to people who truly want to see this resolved.
Such as? When IDF calls ahead of time to warn Gazans to vacate, the only crimes are Hamas terrorists who order them to stay behind to serve as human shields.
There, I fixed it for ya.
And the refusal by the pro Palestinians to acknowledge their affinity for terrorism as a method of resistance doesn’t have to be addressed?
crimes? There were no crimes - there were wars and mitigation of terrorist attacks.
This was honestly pretty disappointing. As someone who has been very outspoken about the struggle of Black Americans, the fact that this would be the video you present on the subject is disappointing. Not even a single mention of the over 4000 Palestinians Israel has killed in the last 2 weeks. No mention of the 75 year occupation. This idea that Israel just left Gaza and handed Palestinians the keys is the biggest load of BS. Israel fully blockaded Gaza and controls everything in and out, people, food, water, electricity, medicine. That's the definition of occupation, even if their soldiers aren't inside the strip, they still control everything. And idk how she has the audacity to say Jews and Israelis feel alone when literally the entire world and every govt is unconditionally supporting Israel even as they commit war crimes against Palestinians. Even if you wanted to present a nuanced both sides conversation this was not it. And regardless there is no both sides in genocide and occupation. Palestinians have been suffering for decades but the world only pays attention when Israeli lives are affected.
He is going to interview a Palestinian American as well
Acho is an African immigrant tether, posing as a black american. He does not speak for my people✊🏿💪🏿🇺🇲. This is yet another attempt to drag black americans into other people's dysfunctional mess 🤬
@@estherlyondelsordo6393 He does not speak for my people✊🏿💪🏿🇺🇲. This is yet another attempt to drag black americans into other people's dysfunctional mess 🤬
Truth
Well, he uploaded a video with a pro palestinian that didn't mention the babies hamas ended their lives, so yes, that video was a disapointment.
You’re Nigerian. Not black American
Emmanuel, thank you for asking the questions and facilitating the conversation. Please put this and your new video with Noura Erakat together so that everyone has to watch both people's pain and insights. If you could blend them together or something. I understand why you've shown them separately, but I think people need to be forced to listen to people from different backgrounds and understanding.
Only by hearing perspectives and thoughts, we feel uncomfortable with will we grow and develop a more tolerant, understanding and compassionate society.
I stand for Peace.
Why hasn’t this been updated with fact checks?
Because he is not a real journalist. He is part of the propaganda machine of the west
I dont see this conflict ever ending to be honest without an annexation. It will be a never ending cycle unfortunately.
Thank you ma’am! FREE PALESTINE FROM HAMAS!!
And what about the West Bank and East Jerusalem where there isn't Hamas.
Like we're calling for their freedom too.
@@foreveravatar5874 We who?
She should GO against HER government of what that government does to the Palestinian people.
💯 I’d like to hear her take on the impact of the Netanyahu era. The most racist society in their history. She doesn’t seem to fit into that society.
Also what did she mean at the end by “thank you for being an ally”?
"We are always the hero in our own stories. Never the villain." GRRM
Gazza may not be occupied by Israel, but Israel controls what go into Gaza and what come out of Gaza as well as from what I heard and read about is that Israel have a color system with citizenship. That’s why people say it’s oppressive. Somewhat sort of like what happened in South Africa. so if she agrees with the same free Palestine, and it should be no issue with other people say it. Now the other people are doing foolish things like putting pictures pictures with it or something like that that goes against What’s going on. Then yes, that person is wrong.
The citizenship thing isn't like all Israelis have 1 citizenship and all Palestinians have 1 citizenship, its more like:
Israelis hold 1 citizenship and they have all the freedoms that come with it and Palestinians have another citizenship depending on where they are:
So Palestinians inside Israel have 1.
Palestinians in the West Bank have a different 1. (is less than the Palestinians inside Israel)
The Gaza strip need a permit to go into Israel and Israel can give and take it when it pleases and they're near impossible to get
(less than citizenship in the West Bank + East Jerusalem)
And then you have the Palestinians outside of Mandatory Palestine (refugees, diaspora, exiled) and they don't have any Palestinian/Israeli citizenship. Most are stateless.
The Palestinians exist in a tier model where 1 can move down a tier but you can't move up.
Israel also has settler roads, where only settlers can walk and drive on which are heavily guarded by soldiers. Most of the water in the occupied territories is directed to the settlements.
Israeli cars have a yellow number plate so they can travel anywhere whereas Palestinians have a green number plate so their travel is restricted to certain road and areas.
Thank you for sharing this, Acho. And I thank this young lady for sharing her heart and story. I commend her strength and willingness to do such an interview.
I don't know the whole story of what is going on. But I do know how to pray and have sympathy for lives being lost.
Your fear of asking of asking her tough questions and challenging her answers was palpable.
I believe Hamas is conveying the idea that if Palestinians cannot sleep in peace or live in freedom, particularly under the rule of apartheid, then why should the Israelis, viewed as their oppressors, enjoy their rest and freedom? Regardless of who is right or wrong in history, the focus here is that apartheid exist in that region. Unfortunately, terrorism and human sacrifice tend to become common trends and behaviors when there is apartheid in the land. In this context, apartheid is like the seed, and terrorism is the resulting fruit from that seed. Such is the history of mankind. This is innate behavior.
Nobody is standing with hamas folks are saying isreal should be held accountable just like everyone else.
I understand her point but as far as them saying no to two states, what she said is not completely true, they said no because of what the Israeli government wanted the border lines to be which is a big deal. They have said over and over that their issue is with the border lines partly because they want Jerusalem as their capital and Israel said no. I believe she wants peace but how is it that I as an American know better than her what the issue is, and let me be clear before someone call me racist, I don't like either government or Hamas, who I care about is the Israeli and Palestinian people just like I hate the Iranian government but I believe the majority of the Iranian people are good and decent and only want to live in peace but because of the actions of the minority of their people and their government that just like in Israel and the Palestine/Hamas area they end up suffering.
I'm against conflating being anti-Israel with anti-Semitism but you are absolutely right that the world's reaction to what happened on October 7th was disgusting and shameful.
I'm black I stand with my Jewish family
IDK...This felt opportunistic. I think people want to hear the facts and not opposing perspectives. The atrocities are too great for the "lets hear both sides" tactic. Its upsetting.
This is very one-sided. Im very surprised and DISAPPOINTED that Acho took this approach. The Israeli government has engaged in ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians for decades. They have created a system of apartheid. The violence that Hamas created was horrific, but to ignore that the Israeli government has been the oppressor is wrong.
Facts about Israel that the haters of Israel don’t like:
1. Israel became a state in 1312 B.C.E., two millennia before Islam.
2. Arab refugees from Israel began calling themselves “Palestinians” in 1967, two decades after (modern) Israeli statehood in 1948.
3. After conquering the land in 1272 B.C.E., Jews ruled it for a thousand years and maintained a continuous presence there for 3,300 years.
4. The only Arab rule following conquest in 633 B.C.E. lasted just 22 years.
5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem was the Jewish capital. It was never the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even under Jordanian rule,(East) Jerusalem was not made the capital, and no Arab leader came to visit it.
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the bible, but not once is it mentioned in the Qur’an.
7. King David founded Jerusalem; Mohammed never set foot in it.
8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem; Muslims face Mecca. If they are between the two cities, Muslims pray facing Mecca, with their backs to Jerusalem.
9. In 1948, Arab leaders urged their people to leave, promising to cleanse the land of Jewish presence. 68% of them fled without ever setting eyes on an Israeli soldier.
10. Virtually the entire Jewish population of Muslim countries had to flee as the result of violence and pogroms.
11. Some 630,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948, while close to a million Jews were forced to leave the Muslim countries.
12. In spite of the vast territories at their disposal, Arab refugees were deliberately prevented from assimilating into their host countries. Of 100 million refugees following World War 2, they are the only group tohave never integrated with their co-religionists. Most of the Jewish refugees from Europe and Arab lands were settled in Israel,a country no larger than New Jersey, USA.
13. There are 22 Muslim countries, not counting Palestine. There is only one Jewish state.
14. Fatah and Hamas constitutions still call for the destruction of Israel.
Israel ceded most of the west bank and all of Gaza to the Palestinian authority, and even provided it with arms.
15. During the Jordanian occupation, Jewish holy sites were vandalized and were off limits to Jews. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian holy sites are accessible to all faiths.
16. Out of 175 United Nations Security Council resolutions up to1990, 97 were against Israel; out of 690 general assembly resolutions,429 were against Israel.
17. The U.N. was silent when the Jordanians destroyed 58 synagogues in the old city of Jerusalem. It remained silent while Jordan systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives, and it remained silent when Jordan enforced apartheid laws preventing Jews from accessing the temple mount and western wall.
18. Arabs started all five wars against Israel, and lost every one of them.
Thank you for putting a face to the issue that CIVILIANS are facing...there is a bigger context that is hard to capture but this is a start. Nothing nothing nothing at all justifies the horrific attacks that Hamas perpertrated
This was not a topic you were educated on enough to have a conversation about Acho.
She forgot to explain why it happened. It is the result of 75 years of pain and humiliation caused by Israel.
I do not support Hamas.
I see the comment section is filled with historians and political experts. You really should include your credentials in your comments.
How can someone who is an author sit there and DENY that Gaza is not an open air prison. Where there's PROOF that the people there are restricted from everything.
It is an open air prison. But why? Research. I can give you a hint... What did they do with all that foreign aid and what happened to Gaza's infrastructure they were given? Please research before accusing.
@@jumpman858 “Divide and Rule”: How Israel Helped Start Hamas to Weaken Palestinian Hopes for Statehood. you have done your research also
@@jumpman858 How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas
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@@jumpman858Israel barely allow anything into Gaza at all. Also, even IF Gaza had aid and it was distributed in the perfect way you envision, it would still be a prison where Israel put people whose homes they stole. It would simply be a slightly nicer prison.
@@TheHauntedKiwi 😭😭😭cry cry cry. For years foreign aid entered in and they used it to build bombs and tunnels.
I’m so sorry for the lost and I’m not justifying murder but I think that what happened in October the 7th It came as a result of the accumulations of oppression, injustice, and suffering, occupation that people in the West Bank and Gaza Strip experience every day for 75 years. This is must be called resistance. But I'm against killing of civilians.
You can't say you are not justifing the most horrific acts, and then give teasons to why they were done. There is NO reason for burning people alive, beheading babies, raping mothers infront of their children and kidnapping civilians!! That is TERRORISM!! Also you should read a book and educate yourself about israel before repeating lies you have heard
Oh my God, what a beautiful woman
both in spirit and character 🌟
I received generous and human help during my stay in Canada precisely from the Jewish people, my friends, my brothers. Protect this people with your lives from the persecution of demonic structures.
Great job peace to all prayers for all suffering.
“Filmed and presented to the world”. Everyone is a witness. Ask yourself the question, what kind of people are capable of committing the most immoral atrocities and filming them for the world to see and celebrate? It is the very definition of pathological extremism.
נועה אישה נדירה, תודה רבה לך! לקחת תפקיד שעוד ידובר בו רבות לייצג את עם ישראל בצומת היסטורי. תודה רבה לך על כל שאת עושה למען העם היושב בישראל הכואבת!
It seems disingenuous to discuss the generational trauma that will be caused by October 7th without mentioning that Hamas (in its current state) is the result of 75 years worth of generational trauma.
This is disappointing and so transparently biased. I hope you make an effort to have an uncomfortable conversation with a Palestinian author as well. (edit) I'm so glad you are having conversations with both perspectives. What is happening is unfathomable. Thank you for making it possible for us to have an opportunity to listen. I think it's important to remember that the people are NOT the government or the actions of the people with the power and the weapons, who seem bent on a Zero-Sum game regarding the territory, access to resources, safety etc. I understand her grief. But I also think there are key things she omitted regarding government policies. I want to ask what she means by "you can't compare these sides at all".
He's advertised and uncomfortable conversation with a Palestinian. It was made clear in the announcement preceding this video where he says this
And I just finished listening to it. He also announced the second part to this at the end.
Humanity belongs to the earth. If it were Flowers versus grass, the earth would still feel the power of the pain on both sides, because they are of our world. Out of all of the planets, we get to exist on this one..... and yet, we kill each other. We distinguish families. We eliminate each other based upon race, religion, gender, beliefs, culture, and everything else we decide is not within our alignment in the future. Every human wants to own something, possess something. In this aire, humanity wishes to own land and more across the world. If it begins with taking lands, it grows to owning people, owning resources, and everything else this world has to offer. Humanity is greedy. Humanity is fickle. Humanity is a gift we take for granted.
This war is seeding more hatred to the victims especially the children. They’ll mature with these memories. Revenge is in their minds. It’s a cycle. It’ll never end. Why her, by the way?
Agreed. They only create more enemies for themselves