This week there's PON (National sports multievent) on Indonesia and Rahmat & Rizki split their ways, Rahmat still on 73kg and rizki on 89 kg, Both won gold on their each class respectively. It seems Rahmat Rizki battle will end sooner than we expect as the Indonesian federation cannot lost the opportunity to send 2 of their best lifter to different classes on LA28.
I hope that Rizki breaks Lu Xiaojun's world record (Total:378kg in 81kg category) first before he moves to 89kg in Asian Games Japan 2026 and Olympics LA28.💯
As great as Rizki is, and as much as he deserved his Olympic slot and his gold medal, l feel like the events of the past year are just the beginning of one of the great weightlifting rivalries of all time, and l expect that Rahmat has learned from his mental mistake in Thailand and has been training very hard since. I bet we're going to see Rizki and Rahmat continue to push each other to ever greater heights over this next quad. It will be magical to see.
Riski recently made 160kg Snatch Second Attempt Skip His Third + 200kg Clean&Jerk on National Competition Indonesian Sport Games as 89kg technicly he weight only around 81,1kg .Rahmat also lifting as 73kg and made 153kg Snatch + 192kg Clean&Jerk which also Legit cuz he only Lift saved 6/6
I hope that Rizki breaks Lu Xiaojun's world record (Total: 378kg in 81kg category) first before he moves to 89kg in Asian Games Japan 2026 and Olympics LA28.💯
@noefvon Why? Because I have more important things going on in my life. I suppose I could if I trained several years to get the technique down. Then, take steriods or other drugs. But I keep my body clean. No roids for me.
I would LOVE to know what Shi Zhiyong could have hit in 2019, or even in Tokyo 2021, if he had anyone even remotely close to him. Beyond Liao Hui, his fellow countryman, nobody was ever close to him. That is, until Rahmat showed up at the 2022 World Championship, and now Rizki. Could he have done 370? Sadly, his injuries over the years have caught up to him, and now (probably) forced him into retirement. Great video!
170/200 shouldn't be too much trouble. He doesn't cut as much weight as Rahmat/Rizki so his competition lifts should be closer to his training numbers.
I understand the reasoning behind the Sinclair formula, it was designed to take into consideration lighter lifters lift more lb for lb so it tries to determine what everyone would lift if they were a super but what the supers have different coefficients themselves depending on each lifter’s weight. It seems this system is still quite arbitrary. Subjectively I still think Nassar’s 404 is a hair better than Rizki’s 365. Notice his 365 is exactly 5X his weight. That’s everybody’s target from now on.
Exactly, it can never be 'fair' in that respect, as an incontrovertible fact of strength sports is that strength does not scale with body weight. But is is a good indicator I suppose.
Both performances are pretty much equal tbh when compared to the all time best numbers at their respective body weights (Varbanov 382.5 @ 75, Solodov 423 @ 90). 404 by Karlos appears to be better because the 89kg world records were weaker compared to the 73kg class which was single handedly carried by Shi Zhiyong for several years.
Also worth noting that the coerficients for the Sinclair formula are based on the best performances of the previous quad, which in this case happens to be Lasha's all time world records. Thus, all scores in this quad are inflated compared to older performances. Under the same coefficients used in this video, superheavyweight Naim would theoretically total 527, Lu/Kakhi would be 496, and Vardanyan 511 which seem pretty unrealistic imo esp when considering their numbers relative to their peers (versus how far Lasha is ahead of other supers) TLDR: The Sinclair formula by nature usually downplays the pfp strength of supers, especially when the coefficients are based on the absolute strongest performance in history by an athlete with a gargantuan bodyweight.
Lots of strong indonesians here cause life is hard. Its not just about muscles or bone density, its also about mental fortitude as can be seen in many armwreslters, calisthenics and gymnasts which bodybuilders massively lacking making them weak.
Meta. How do you know the LA 2028 categories already? Even WH hasn’t reported them yet. According to Dan at WH the IWF is requesting 7 classes and the IOC has yet to respond.
this “pound for pound” system favours those with greater muscle mass and lesser body fat. cos ur essentially saying muscle mass and fat mass are the same.
I don't get how we can consider someone less strong stronger than someone stronger... It's like this guy is the strongest of the weakest but relative to the weakest he's stronger than the strongest??? Like yeah he's small, but the best got big, that's why they are the best.
New & GOAT are mutually exclusive, I feel like you have to accomplish way more and have a much longer career to be in the discussion. What if he fails or is injured in 2025 (god forbid), then is he a flop/fake? Can we not use these terms/catchy titles so carelessly?
Just wanted to inform you that Lasha has just went into politics. He has been included in the list of ruling party for parliament elections in october which means he ends his career to become a deputy
that's different bro. Anatoly only lifts up to his thighs. yes we admit he can lift up to 290kg. but again it's different. Rizki can lift 195kg above his head. and Rahmat can lift 200kg above his head. I'm also curious how much weight Anatoly can lift above his head.
Rizki is good, elite, we can all say that ! I'm glad you see potential & inspiration in his lifting as you appeal to casual fan base. But to us hardcore weightlifting fans, this is a crock. Watering down content/ click bait titles, B.S. the best weightlifter ! Old and injured Shi Zhiyong out snatched this man 3 months ago. How dare you desecrate and spit on his legacy so soon ! You cannot deny deep down that team China has done big things. Just to name one team.
Desecrate and spit on his legacy??? Dude you need to take your meds. I like and admire Shi myself but this year he was not the best 73, neither was Rahmat. When it counted Rizki was best. He’s the Olympic champ this year. He is a long way from GOAT, but this is his year. Don’t take that away from him.
@@JohnDoherty-dl2fz Out snatched three months ago when that tournament counted then, you guys take no account for trajectories of old champs seriously, then you are all off your meds.
JohnnyBlaze. You are correct. Shi did outsnatch Rizki in Phuket. The other side of the coin is that Rizki out jerked him by a larger margin and won the comp. Hey I’m the first guy to agree with you that Shi has had a more substantial career than Rizki so far. All I’m saying is that this has been Rizki’s year and he deserves all the accolades he gets for his big victories this year.
Karlos Nasar is the best with no formula :), however if we talk about Sinclair Coefficient Naim Süleymanoğlu was absolute best in history and he was also Bulgarian! Anyway Rizki is amazing no doubt about it, respect!
Shi Zhiyong in his prime outclasses Rizki by a mile... and I think Shi has the highest sinclair for this category. Shi's 171 Snatch, and 206 Kilo Clean and jerk.
@@Im_Alfaruq if you put rizki now against Shi's prime, Rizki can't touch him, and did you forget that Shi Zhiyong's prime was cut short because of his back injury. lmao
@@Im_Alfaruq I dont disagree with the video. Rizki now takes the number one spot, no doubt about that.. I admire him as much as you do if you do feel the same way
suprisingly someone will so little muscle mass can buy those chinese, it makes me start wondering those chinese with so much muscle mass, whether they are on dope. Its very likely tbh
It sure is entertaining to speculate and try to compare different lifters in different weight classes. But the sinclair calculation is far from perfect. In the end this is a somewhat arbitrary, pseudo-scientific calculation. Better than nothing, but I wouldn´t take it too serious.
Herman. I agree with you completely. I understand what they’re trying to do, level the playing field so there is one nice,neat,concise number that everyone can compare but I want to know. How exactly were those coefficients determined. Garbage in Garbage out.
You know what would actually level the playing field? Just getting rid of weight categories all together. Let the lifters just train to be as strong as possible and let the who lifts the most win.
I’m aware of the PED situation. It’s just that there are plenty of other things to comment on while watching these vids. You’re free to make any comments you want but it doesn’t seem like it goes anywhere. The same rehashed discussion/argument that solves/proves nothing.
@JohnDoherty-dl2fz Rehearsed? LOL. I'm just informing young people who think these lifters are clean. Steriods are dangerous. They can kill you if you are not careful.
When he achieves that in actual competitions then he might has the chance to claim that title until then he is nobody. He is far far away from Nassar. Prove it, officially! Stop chatting shit. ;] Karlos Nasar is number 1!
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This week there's PON (National sports multievent) on Indonesia and Rahmat & Rizki split their ways, Rahmat still on 73kg and rizki on 89 kg, Both won gold on their each class respectively. It seems Rahmat Rizki battle will end sooner than we expect as the Indonesian federation cannot lost the opportunity to send 2 of their best lifter to different classes on LA28.
that is indeed smart
This sport has fucked rules.
I hope that Rizki breaks Lu Xiaojun's world record (Total:378kg in 81kg category) first before he moves to 89kg in Asian Games Japan 2026 and Olympics LA28.💯
err this makes no sense. are you saying riski is bulkin up to 89 kg from 73? that is impossible
Non sense? His current weight is 81kg, 8kg more in two years is very possible.
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This made me want that book even more. The more I learn about weightlifting the more interesting it has become. And it's such a beautiful sport.
Did you learn to take drugs yet? They are all juiced up.
As great as Rizki is, and as much as he deserved his Olympic slot and his gold medal, l feel like the events of the past year are just the beginning of one of the great weightlifting rivalries of all time, and l expect that Rahmat has learned from his mental mistake in Thailand and has been training very hard since. I bet we're going to see Rizki and Rahmat continue to push each other to ever greater heights over this next quad. It will be magical to see.
I still watch the -73 sesh in Phuket for excitement! That ish was legendary 🔥
Literally one of the best sessions ever filmed, I've watched it like 6 times already.
@@christopherroberts2500 My man 👊
can you drop link here please?
@@satyaputra2706 th-cam.com/video/BqdgnqiyBvM/w-d-xo.html
It's absolutely mindblowing how he can generate that much power with a normal amount of muscle
And after surgery 😂
very exciting stuff here, these rivals push each other towards greatness.
Using straps for the clean and jerk is insane! It broke my wrists when I was younger.
i dunno if doing it for warmups could be a great way to warmup that front rack.
Riski recently made 160kg Snatch Second Attempt Skip His Third + 200kg Clean&Jerk on National Competition Indonesian Sport Games as 89kg technicly he weight only around 81,1kg .Rahmat also lifting as 73kg and made 153kg Snatch + 192kg Clean&Jerk which also Legit cuz he only Lift saved 6/6
I hope that Rizki breaks Lu Xiaojun's world record (Total: 378kg in 81kg category) first before he moves to 89kg in Asian Games Japan 2026 and Olympics LA28.💯
Thanks to steriods.
@@roncaruso931 then why u dont do it?
@noefvon Why? Because I have more important things going on in my life. I suppose I could if I trained several years to get the technique down. Then, take steriods or other drugs. But I keep my body clean. No roids for me.
I would LOVE to know what Shi Zhiyong could have hit in 2019, or even in Tokyo 2021, if he had anyone even remotely close to him. Beyond Liao Hui, his fellow countryman, nobody was ever close to him. That is, until Rahmat showed up at the 2022 World Championship, and now Rizki.
Could he have done 370? Sadly, his injuries over the years have caught up to him, and now (probably) forced him into retirement.
Great video!
If we're talking a perfect day, I reckon 172-3 and 205-6kg were possible - so more or less what his bests in training were.
170/200 shouldn't be too much trouble. He doesn't cut as much weight as Rahmat/Rizki so his competition lifts should be closer to his training numbers.
Please show full training session like you do with team china. Would be great to see.
I understand the reasoning behind the Sinclair formula, it was designed to take into consideration lighter lifters lift more lb for lb so it tries to determine what everyone would lift if they were a super but what the supers have different coefficients themselves depending on each lifter’s weight. It seems this system is still quite arbitrary. Subjectively I still think Nassar’s 404 is a hair better than Rizki’s 365. Notice his 365 is exactly 5X his weight. That’s everybody’s target from now on.
Exactly, it can never be 'fair' in that respect, as an incontrovertible fact of strength sports is that strength does not scale with body weight. But is is a good indicator I suppose.
Both performances are pretty much equal tbh when compared to the all time best numbers at their respective body weights (Varbanov 382.5 @ 75, Solodov 423 @ 90). 404 by Karlos appears to be better because the 89kg world records were weaker compared to the 73kg class which was single handedly carried by Shi Zhiyong for several years.
GOAT does not mean the current best lifter. It means the best OF ALL TIME. Rizki is great but y'all gotta chill with that term.
Agree. This guy is not even close to being an actual GOAT.
Everything/Everyone Is The "G.O.A.T" With This Generation 🤷🏿♂️! That Title Will Be Bestowed Upon Someone Else Next Week 😂.
None of the current 73s are better than Liao was at 69. Liao’s bests of 166/198 at 69 would win just about every 73 competition today.
@@dmanatanso nobody is better than chinese weightlifter s, is that what you mean?
@@dmanatan I believe Shi in 2019 was better than Liao at his peak, but there was nobody even close to him at the time.
He gives me nightmares of Shi Zhiyong C&J.... dominated everyone in the snatch and then that 191
Amazing!
Also worth noting that the coerficients for the Sinclair formula are based on the best performances of the previous quad, which in this case happens to be Lasha's all time world records. Thus, all scores in this quad are inflated compared to older performances. Under the same coefficients used in this video, superheavyweight Naim would theoretically total 527, Lu/Kakhi would be 496, and Vardanyan 511 which seem pretty unrealistic imo esp when considering their numbers relative to their peers (versus how far Lasha is ahead of other supers)
TLDR: The Sinclair formula by nature usually downplays the pfp strength of supers, especially when the coefficients are based on the absolute strongest performance in history by an athlete with a gargantuan bodyweight.
RIZKI JUNIANSYAH. The 'Y' in the 'syah' is pronounced like an 'H' like in shisha. So it's not Junianseeah but Junianshah
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The muscle rest from that injury period make him STRONGER cause the muscle has a time to relax and contract again in given time.
He,s incredible, amazing teenagers
Menyala bang rizki...🔥🔥🔥
Lots of strong indonesians here cause life is hard. Its not just about muscles or bone density, its also about mental fortitude as can be seen in many armwreslters, calisthenics and gymnasts which bodybuilders massively lacking making them weak.
tidak usah lebay tidak semua berasal dari bawah, mereka itu atlit yg jelas sudah terlatih dari kecil bukan terlatih kerna susah.
Lebay loe, muscle and bone density also requirements to lift that much weights. You cant lift with mental only, your body will injure for sure.😂😂😂
Alay
rizki and rahmat is like naruto and sasuke. Both fights for konoha, both rival.
Does anyone know what shoes he's wearing in the training session (the red ones)?
Those are the current edition of the ANTA shoes. ANTA 2
Keren, ayo Rizki
Rizki will compete in 81 kg category for LA 2028
There is no M-81kg category in Paris24 and LA28, only ...,M-73kg,M-89kg,...So sad!
Meta. How do you know the LA 2028 categories already? Even WH hasn’t reported them yet. According to Dan at WH the IWF is requesting 7 classes and the IOC has yet to respond.
Looking forward to the next competition what is WHL plans?
Sorry WLH.
We are covering Junior Worlds later this month and then Senior Worlds in December!
@@WeightliftingHouse Excellent
Hey Guys. Will there be a chat room for Jr Worlds or just commentary? I’m pleased you’re doing this in any capacity.
Chat room would be sick
Wellcome gentlenment The Goat🎉
Slight nitpick, "Juniansyah" is pronounced "Joo-nee-ahn-shah" rather than "Joo-neen-shee-ah".
hes crazy
Omg he lift 3 morr times of his weight but how???
this “pound for pound” system favours those with greater muscle mass and lesser body fat. cos ur essentially saying muscle mass and fat mass are the same.
I don't understand the close-up on Rizki's face while he lifts. What does that show us ?
great channel to view with the volume off and playing lofi on another page.
I don't get how we can consider someone less strong stronger than someone stronger... It's like this guy is the strongest of the weakest but relative to the weakest he's stronger than the strongest??? Like yeah he's small, but the best got big, that's why they are the best.
With your logic why even have weight classes. Why even have different events.
he has a sleeper build, doesn't look like he has any muscles like his other team mate, Rahmat.
RIP To Rizky Dad/Coach 🙏🏻
GOAT means New Challenger
power over body
New & GOAT are mutually exclusive, I feel like you have to accomplish way more and have a much longer career to be in the discussion. What if he fails or is injured in 2025 (god forbid), then is he a flop/fake? Can we not use these terms/catchy titles so carelessly?
What is that on his ankles
Just wanted to inform you that Lasha has just went into politics. He has been included in the list of ruling party for parliament elections in october which means he ends his career to become a deputy
That’s why there are different categories 🙂
should be a model
How about anatoly ?
that's different bro. Anatoly only lifts up to his thighs. yes we admit he can lift up to 290kg. but again it's different. Rizki can lift 195kg above his head. and Rahmat can lift 200kg above his head. I'm also curious how much weight Anatoly can lift above his head.
Riz(z)ki(ng)
Indonesia mentioned RAAAHHHHHH
Clickbaity title but ill allow it lol
yaiyalah wong serang jeh
Rizki 🔥🔥🔥
Rizki is good, elite, we can all say that ! I'm glad you see potential & inspiration in his lifting as you appeal to casual fan base. But to us hardcore weightlifting fans, this is a crock. Watering down content/ click bait titles, B.S. the best weightlifter ! Old and injured Shi Zhiyong out snatched this man 3 months ago. How dare you desecrate and spit on his legacy so soon ! You cannot deny deep down that team China has done big things. Just to name one team.
Desecrate and spit on his legacy??? Dude you need to take your meds. I like and admire Shi myself but this year he was not the best 73, neither was Rahmat. When it counted Rizki was best. He’s the Olympic champ this year. He is a long way from GOAT, but this is his year. Don’t take that away from him.
@@JohnDoherty-dl2fz Out snatched three months ago when that tournament counted then, you guys take no account for trajectories of old champs seriously, then you are all off your meds.
JohnnyBlaze. You are correct. Shi did outsnatch Rizki in Phuket. The other side of the coin is that Rizki out jerked him by a larger margin and won the comp. Hey I’m the first guy to agree with you that Shi has had a more substantial career than Rizki so far. All I’m saying is that this has been Rizki’s year and he deserves all the accolades he gets for his big victories this year.
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almost, almost. keep going bro.
Wong serang menyala
the rizking?
more like pound-for-pound metric
Karlos Nasar is the best with no formula :), however if we talk about Sinclair Coefficient Naim Süleymanoğlu was absolute best in history and he was also Bulgarian! Anyway Rizki is amazing no doubt about it, respect!
I use the steroids formula.
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Shi Zhiyong in his prime outclasses Rizki by a mile... and I think Shi has the highest sinclair for this category. Shi's 171 Snatch, and 206 Kilo Clean and jerk.
hell nah. do some research
@@Im_Alfaruq I did.. did you forget that Shi Snatched 171, and clean jerked 206kg unofficially.. My guy totaled 377kg
@@Im_Alfaruq if you put rizki now against Shi's prime, Rizki can't touch him, and did you forget that Shi Zhiyong's prime was cut short because of his back injury. lmao
@@Im_Alfaruq I dont disagree with the video. Rizki now takes the number one spot, no doubt about that.. I admire him as much as you do if you do feel the same way
Bullsh**.. Shi Zhiyong can't do more than 364kg total! Shi Zhiyong's time is over and his body can't lie.
i thought erwin will pass him
If you have to "explain how athletes are better", they're not better lol
or you just dumb to understand them. you can't say bullshit like 5nm is better than 10nm, but what actually changes?
suprisingly someone will so little muscle mass can buy those chinese, it makes me start wondering those chinese with so much muscle mass, whether they are on dope. Its very likely tbh
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Just rambling anf rambling to create a longer video ...what a shame ...Get to the point mate ... or have timestamps ....
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It sure is entertaining to speculate and try to compare different lifters in different weight classes. But the sinclair calculation is far from perfect.
In the end this is a somewhat arbitrary, pseudo-scientific calculation. Better than nothing, but I wouldn´t take it too serious.
Herman. I agree with you completely. I understand what they’re trying to do, level the playing field so there is one nice,neat,concise number that everyone can compare but I want to know. How exactly were those coefficients determined. Garbage in Garbage out.
Hes the best with an asterisk
Lasha is the best full stop
The best...World record holder? Olympic record holder? World champion? Olympic gold medalist? Pound per pound? Human definition...
Rizki Indonesia ni cuy👌 🇲🇨
Indonesia ...
That's a flawed system.
Yeah, no! We still need to live in reality, woulda/should/coulda.. Once Lasha retires we won't see any 220 snatches anytime soon
Don’t be so sure. Varazdat Lalayan is poised to hit huge numbers given his progression and age
If anyone is going to do it, it’ll be Lalayan he is still 24, Gor turns 30 very soon.
can't see his progressing much more than this
Rizki from Malaysia 🇲🇾
Dafuq
You know what would actually level the playing field? Just getting rid of weight categories all together. Let the lifters just train to be as strong as possible and let the who lifts the most win.
That's literally the thing that would make it absolutely unequal. Weight classes are there for a reason
Is there a updated table with the greatest sinclair performances of all time?
Yes there is a table. It's called the steriods table.
Ron Caruso a broken record as usual.
@JohnDoherty-dl2fz Cant take the truth? As usual.
I’m aware of the PED situation. It’s just that there are plenty of other things to comment on while watching these vids. You’re free to make any comments you want but it doesn’t seem like it goes anywhere. The same rehashed discussion/argument that solves/proves nothing.
@JohnDoherty-dl2fz Rehearsed? LOL. I'm just informing young people who think these lifters are clean. Steriods are dangerous. They can kill you if you are not careful.
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to many pipples on his head ..... why ???
Ok but by your own presented definition riski is not the GOAT…
he is not...
When he achieves that in actual competitions then he might has the chance to claim that title until then he is nobody. He is far far away from Nassar. Prove it, officially! Stop chatting shit. ;] Karlos Nasar is number 1!
Bla bla bla.. 7:33 see that.. you miss the point of this video
Rizky is from malaysia,,malay punya ...
😂 bisanya ngaku...ngaku.. he is from...🇲🇨
Wkwkwkwk 😅kumat lagi ini bangsa gak punya jati diri..
this guy got lucky in olympics when Shi Zhiyong led him and got injured
he can't lift. not get injured
No, Shi Zhiyong can't do more than 364kg! Not because of his injuries. Shi Zhiyong's time is over and His body can't lie.
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