I love interesting guitar stories! Frampton’s Phoenix Les Paul is probably the most interesting. Neil Young’s guitars have some really interesting histories as well. Thanks for putting this together. Paul’s bass is another chapter in the book someone should write about particular instruments.
The atlanta show used folded horn speakers that is why the sound was so good, No monitors but the speakers were also slightly angled and what they were hearing was the powerful speakers slaping back from the reflections of the staduim. looks like Altec lansing or voice of the theater" speakers. Most speakers did not project enough to bounce the signal back to the stage, Thes speakers did. From monteray pop fest, to the grateful dead, These are the speakers everyone at concerts started using, Including woodstock (done with 4 -four channel sure mixers joined together.)
I've been talking to Cathy Guest for a couple of weeks now. Her side of the story slightly differs from Nick Wass. She told me she returned the bass about six months ago and she knew nothing about the campaign to find the bass. I need to ask her a couple more questions, too.
Music Ground had two locations, the original located in Doncaster, east of Manchester. The second shop was located in London. The shops were owned by Rick Harrison and his son, Justin. Justin ran the London shop and was well known for taking repro and nearly new guitars, relic them to sell as vintage.
In some footage and pics the bass looks massive against PM's torso have you heard of a larger Hofner bass been made ??th-cam.com/users/shortsdeSWXe0ZBio
The problem for several years was getting the word out about the search. Like really out in major media. Finding a lost item like this means deep wide publicity about it. Last summer there was finally major coverage about it in England and that reached Kathy Guest. She knew there was a Hofner or similar in the attic in Hastings. She went and took photos of it. She then went to Paul's Hogs Hill recording studio in Icklesham, Winchelsea, East Sussex which is just 8 miles away.from Hastings. She showed the photos to the security guys there. In an interview in the Dutch magazine de Bassit published 2/15/24 Nick Wass of Hofner related that when Paul first brought up finding the bass he spoke with Kevin Smith (Paul's tech manager) about making reproductions of it because at the time he wasn't sure at all that it would be found.Wass said Hofner made two repros for Paul. One like it was from '-61 - '64 and one intended to be like it was after the '64 work. The interview doesn't discuss Paul's other Hofners. You can read the article and interview at de Bassist website.
Paul has about 3 different ‘61 repros, and 2 vintage 61 basses. He has one early 2000s ‘61 reissue. A 2011 ‘61 reissue and a 2018? ‘Revolution bass’ reissue. He also has a retoped ‘61 and obviously his original ‘61.
Tennessean is gone. George gave one gent away, right? He tried to sell Norm the Sullivan Gretsch during the Lucy recovery project- and norm declined! So either he got it back, and both a Gent and the tenny met their end on a motorway… or there is still a Beatles gretsch floating around out there somewhere? (Someone call Jim Irsay!)
500/1 started In 1956. Truss rod was added in super early 1961. It was always known mid ‘61 for domed backs. There are many More domed ‘61 backs then flat. The neck is not going to be that thick since it has a truss rod IMO. I also own a late ‘61 myself.
More domed than flat? Can you proved a source. Everyone but two I’ve found is flat. And Nick Wass was surprised it was domed. Literally everyone but you has said domed is rare. Not saying you’re wrong. It just disagrees with everything I’ve read and seen for the past 20 years. And I’ve been religiously looking for a domed back for the last four years. Reverb had one up not that long ago but it was very late 61 and had the horizontal logo, and some other issues that made me decide to pass. Besides that I saw one guy on Facebook with one.
he wore thru the neck pickup mtg ring with his fingers & pick. the footage on RSG shows his plucking hand location and form. it's obvious once you see it.. he broke a string because it was the same string that was on the bass when he took delivery of it!
The red colour ‘overkill’ in the overspray might actually not be such a strange thing, when one considers the huge change in preferred sunburst colouring at the time in guitarworld. The two tone sunburst (brown burst) of the original Höfner was heavily inspired by the color scheme in fashion in the fifties with the big brands (Fender Strats and Precisions up untill 1959). Than, from 1959 on, Fender came with the three tone sunburst with a modest red. Gibson Les Paul’s 1960 3T sunburst red almost hurts the eyes!! Fenders after 1962? Same thing! Other brands followed suit. So, if you had to do a refin on a Höfner in early 63 for a class A famous player, you wanted to give him the hippest newest color scheme possible: lots of red. To get an exact idea, the Fender Precision bass from 1957 and up in sunburst is the best example to exactly show you how fashion went on. Don’t only take a close look at the red, but also at the ‘natural’ base color at the center of the body just below the strings. It gets more and more yellow, almost not see through any more (shitty wood...?) making the red stand out even more!! Also, the way one color goes into the next really changes. Subtility goes almost completely, and returns years later... Here’s some particular P bass years you might want to look for to make a comparison: 1957 / 1959 / 1962 / 1964 / 1965 / 1966 / 1968 / 1970 / 1975 / 1978. Check various (more modest) shades from these years at other brands on their various models too, like Gibson, smaller Italian brands that were famous, late ‘60’s / early 1970’s Höfners, Guild Starfires, etc. Better have your sunglasses ready, 😄. Like Bowie said: Fashion! 🖖
But, Cathy and her kid put it up a few days before it really became public. I checked out her fb page and her and her mother has been replying to a lot of posts about it.
I wonder if the son of Ron Guest was in a band that was filmed at any point in the last 50 years..... It would be crazy to unearth footage of it being played.
Why would you say the Framus Hootenanny would have fallen apart by now? Michael played Perry Stanley's 1964 and it's in very good shape. Maybe the Beatles Hootenanny is still around somewhere.
Guys, and if more instruments broaks going to Glasgow, like Hofner Cavern, Sonic Blue Strat, 65’ Rickenbacker 360/12, could explain some facts about the disappearence? Could some instruments destroyed?
Barratts of Manchester Ltd replaced two tuning pegs on George's Country Gentleman. Maybe Barratts didn't have Gents tuners on hand and used Tennesseans instead? th-cam.com/video/45HsyxWmaXo/w-d-xo.html
some alarming observations, you all can probably explain some of them, the rest? well they're relevant to the story so.. (1) the recovered bass has a bridge location waaaay different than anything i've ever seen PM with in '61, '62 or '63.. I'm told the bridges are floating (?)..ok, what mfr would ever make a guitar with a "floating bridge" what analogy could possibly be used to justify a "floating bridge" & who would ever buy one? gold pickup?.. maybe plated brass with no plating left.?..i have several electric guitars, none of the tuners on these guitars would ever be an adequate tuner for a bass string? the primitive attitude towards the gear just wrecks my brain.. Your Sir Paul McCartney bass player for the biggest band in the universe!.. give mal 5 dollars & send him for a new, matching tuner!!.. in fact give him a cuppla benjamins for new, quality instrument!.. which brings up another confounding issue i have. it's winter, early 1965, the four of you are more popular than jesus, more beloved than elvis, wtf are you strapping sensitive, fragile electric guitars to the roofs of cars for?!?!. buy Mal & Neil a goddamned van!!, wtf. can you imagine transporting one of your guitars on the roof of a car in winter, & 60 min later your supposed to be on stage & in-tune?!.. its unbelievable, If i were mal, i wouldve made sure everyone of them git's went bouncing down the road, deservedly so. they would've been playing kazoo's @ shea stadium If i were Mal... where's your guitar John,? the elastics holdin it to the wing of the plane checked out over the atlantic! troodleoo Ricky!...buy a fkn van you cheap limey sons of !@##$% & some !@#@$% guitar stands too!!
I can address some of the other things later, but the floating bridge is actually surprisingly common, Gretsch Tennesseans even have a floating bridge!
@@Toobzilla Yeah that's right, it seems like an odd concept until you own one, it works fine and there's an argument to be made that it makes it easier to get the intonation right on the guitar
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Thank You so much for having me! Such a blast to nerd out about this stuff with you guys.
I THINK it was your post that I first saw it.
One of the most enjoyable episodes yet! Really interesting how pooled info fills gaps of a story. Great to see Gio too!
Gio is Yoda. We were lucky to have him on
Great and informativ episode, extra credit to Ryan for the editing
I love interesting guitar stories!
Frampton’s Phoenix Les Paul is
probably the most interesting.
Neil Young’s guitars have some
really interesting histories as well.
Thanks for putting this together.
Paul’s bass is another chapter in
the book someone should write
about particular instruments.
The atlanta show used folded horn speakers that is why the sound was so good, No monitors but the speakers were also slightly angled and what they were hearing was the powerful speakers slaping back from the reflections of the staduim. looks like Altec lansing or voice of the theater" speakers. Most speakers did not project enough to bounce the signal back to the stage, Thes speakers did. From monteray pop fest, to the grateful dead, These are the speakers everyone at concerts started using, Including woodstock (done with 4 -four channel sure mixers joined together.)
I've been talking to Cathy Guest for a couple of weeks now. Her side of the story slightly differs from Nick Wass.
She told me she returned the bass about six months ago and she knew nothing about the campaign to find the bass.
I need to ask her a couple more questions, too.
Music Ground had two locations, the original located in Doncaster, east of Manchester. The second shop was located in London.
The shops were owned by Rick Harrison and his son, Justin. Justin ran the London shop and was well known for taking repro and nearly new guitars, relic them to sell as vintage.
fun episode, lads. good way for me to spend my Friday afternoon
Thanks, we’re glad to hear that!
PLEASE do the 4001!
paul was paul ramon on the johnny gentle tour in scotland, in 1960.
Not a guitar but Ringo's Premier Kit is still not accounted for. This was very interesting none the less.
The '64 Dallas show. shows it laying on the table behind the bass amp.
This is just awesome.
This is such a GEAR channel
Good job on this one guys, Gio made it good keep him on the show.
McCartney played in Montevideo last night. In response to my enquiry, a spectator reported he didn't play the '61 just the '63.
In some footage and pics the bass looks massive against PM's torso have you heard of a larger Hofner bass been made ??th-cam.com/users/shortsdeSWXe0ZBio
Macca's 6'2''.
You guys should have Neil and andrew from ably house for sure 😎
Yeah that’d be great if they want to come on!
The problem for several years was getting the word out about the search. Like really out in major media. Finding a lost item like this means deep wide publicity about it. Last summer there was finally major coverage about it in England and that reached Kathy Guest. She knew there was a Hofner or similar in the attic in Hastings. She went and took photos of it. She then went to Paul's Hogs Hill recording studio in Icklesham, Winchelsea, East Sussex which is just 8 miles away.from Hastings. She showed the photos to the security guys there. In an interview in the Dutch magazine de Bassit published 2/15/24 Nick Wass of Hofner related that when Paul first brought up finding the bass he spoke with Kevin Smith (Paul's tech manager) about making reproductions of it because at the time he wasn't sure at all that it would be found.Wass said Hofner made two repros for Paul. One like it was from '-61 - '64 and one intended to be like it was after the '64 work. The interview doesn't discuss Paul's other Hofners. You can read the article and interview at de Bassist website.
Paul has about 3 different ‘61 repros, and 2 vintage 61 basses.
He has one early 2000s ‘61 reissue. A 2011 ‘61 reissue and a 2018? ‘Revolution bass’ reissue. He also has a retoped ‘61 and obviously his original ‘61.
Tennessean is gone. George gave one gent away, right? He tried to sell Norm the Sullivan Gretsch during the Lucy recovery project- and norm declined! So either he got it back, and both a Gent and the tenny met their end on a motorway… or there is still a Beatles gretsch floating around out there somewhere? (Someone call Jim Irsay!)
500/1 started In 1956. Truss rod was added in super early 1961. It was always known mid ‘61 for domed backs. There are many More domed ‘61 backs then flat. The neck is not going to be that thick since it has a truss rod IMO. I also own a late ‘61 myself.
More domed than flat? Can you proved a source. Everyone but two I’ve found is flat. And Nick Wass was surprised it was domed. Literally everyone but you has said domed is rare.
Not saying you’re wrong. It just disagrees with everything I’ve read and seen for the past 20 years. And I’ve been religiously looking for a domed back for the last four years.
Reverb had one up not that long ago but it was very late 61 and had the horizontal logo, and some other issues that made me decide to pass.
Besides that I saw one guy on Facebook with one.
he wore thru the neck pickup mtg ring with his fingers & pick. the footage on RSG shows his plucking hand location and form. it's obvious once you see it..
he broke a string because it was the same string that was on the bass when he took delivery of it!
So when are they going to announce a project to locate the original 1961 Paul? It'd be neat to have him back!
The red colour ‘overkill’ in the overspray might actually not be such a strange thing, when one considers the huge change in preferred sunburst colouring at the time in guitarworld.
The two tone sunburst (brown burst) of the original Höfner was heavily inspired by the color scheme in fashion in the fifties with the big brands (Fender Strats and Precisions up untill 1959).
Than, from 1959 on, Fender came with the three tone sunburst with a modest red.
Gibson Les Paul’s 1960 3T sunburst red almost hurts the eyes!! Fenders after 1962? Same thing! Other brands followed suit.
So, if you had to do a refin on a Höfner in early 63 for a class A famous player, you wanted to give him the hippest newest color scheme possible: lots of red.
To get an exact idea, the Fender Precision bass from 1957 and up in sunburst is the best example to exactly show you how fashion went on.
Don’t only take a close look at the red, but also at the ‘natural’ base color at the center of the body just below the strings. It gets more and more yellow, almost not see through any more (shitty wood...?) making the red stand out even more!!
Also, the way one color goes into the next really changes. Subtility goes almost completely, and returns years later...
Here’s some particular P bass years you might want to look for to make a comparison:
1957 / 1959 / 1962 / 1964 / 1965 / 1966 / 1968 / 1970 / 1975 / 1978.
Check various (more modest) shades from these years at other brands on their various models too, like Gibson, smaller Italian brands that were famous, late ‘60’s / early 1970’s Höfners, Guild Starfires, etc.
Better have your sunglasses ready, 😄.
Like Bowie said: Fashion!
🖖
But, Cathy and her kid put it up a few days before it really became public. I checked out her fb page and her and her mother has been replying to a lot of posts about it.
You guys, I was expecting this since i heard the news.😀
The pickups on his 1961 are the only year for those cavern pickups. 1960 weee toasters - 1962 were Diamond logo w Pole screws.
I wonder if the son of Ron Guest was in a band that was filmed at any point in the last 50 years.....
It would be crazy to unearth footage of it being played.
Yeah that would be awesome
Been waiting for this episode since the news broke!!!
We knew people would be hoping to see it, so we had to hurry to get it out quick!
RIP: the Tennessean lives on in that original Hofner. Hope Paul does a big reveal. (tell the story about George’stuner..lol)
What a fantastic video have a good weekend ❤❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
Thanks, you have a great weekend too!
Dude talking about beatle gear and wearing a 70s vintage phillies jersey. Awesome
Why would you say the Framus Hootenanny would have fallen apart by now? Michael played Perry Stanley's 1964 and it's in very good shape. Maybe the Beatles Hootenanny is still around somewhere.
It certainly is.
@@chrisst8922 Hooray! Maybe there's hope to find the rest of the missing Beatle guitars!
The Beatles were a construct of Tavistock!
Go away, you clueless person. You're showing yourself up.
I thought Paul moved to bass when Stuart left but why then has Paul got his Hofner in those photos with Stuart still in the band?
Stuart had said he was going to leave soon, it sounds like Paul had time to go get a bass before that happened
Guys, and if more instruments broaks going to Glasgow, like Hofner Cavern, Sonic Blue Strat, 65’ Rickenbacker 360/12, could explain some facts about the disappearence? Could some instruments destroyed?
George said that 14 guitars were strapped on the Princess. Maybe he was right. LOL
Now you have to do the Tennessean.
Will do! 🫡
Barratts of Manchester Ltd replaced two tuning pegs on George's Country Gentleman. Maybe Barratts didn't have Gents tuners on hand and used Tennesseans instead? th-cam.com/video/45HsyxWmaXo/w-d-xo.html
What’s up with Ryan’s eyes?
They’re gradually destroying themselves from spending 10-12 hours editing each of these podcast episodes lol
@@GearThereEverywhere Dang 😂
Rosebud...
some alarming observations, you all can probably explain some of them, the rest? well they're relevant to the story so.. (1) the recovered bass has a bridge location waaaay different than anything i've ever seen PM with in '61, '62 or '63.. I'm told the bridges are floating (?)..ok, what mfr would ever make a guitar with a "floating bridge" what analogy could possibly be used to justify a "floating bridge" & who would ever buy one? gold pickup?.. maybe plated brass with no plating left.?..i have several electric guitars, none of the tuners on these guitars would ever be an adequate tuner for a bass string? the primitive attitude towards the gear just wrecks my brain.. Your Sir Paul McCartney bass player for the biggest band in the universe!.. give mal 5 dollars & send him for a new, matching tuner!!.. in fact give him a cuppla benjamins for new, quality instrument!.. which brings up another confounding issue i have. it's winter, early 1965, the four of you are more popular than jesus, more beloved than elvis, wtf are you strapping sensitive, fragile electric guitars to the roofs of cars for?!?!. buy Mal & Neil a goddamned van!!, wtf. can you imagine transporting one of your guitars on the roof of a car in winter, & 60 min later your supposed to be on stage & in-tune?!.. its unbelievable, If i were mal, i wouldve made sure everyone of them git's went bouncing down the road, deservedly so. they would've been playing kazoo's @ shea stadium If i were Mal... where's your guitar John,? the elastics holdin it to the wing of the plane checked out over the atlantic! troodleoo Ricky!...buy a fkn van you cheap limey sons of !@##$% & some !@#@$% guitar stands too!!
I can address some of the other things later, but the floating bridge is actually surprisingly common, Gretsch Tennesseans even have a floating bridge!
@@GearThereEverywhere nothing but string tension secures the bridge to the top?
You sad, sad, person.
@@catherinewilson3880 you dont kno the half of it, lol
@@Toobzilla Yeah that's right, it seems like an odd concept until you own one, it works fine and there's an argument to be made that it makes it easier to get the intonation right on the guitar
The photo scrolling is excruciating… the content is awesome, but that scrolling makes it unwatchable