The real issue is the lack of experienced raid leads. Most have left the game and parse requirements become the default because of that gap in knowledge.
@@CharlieZimbo rather sit and train a dps hitting 100k how to do mechs than a solo player who thinks they need 35k health in a trial who hits 35k. But… I would take a 35k who listens and understands over an 100k who can’t figure it out and kills people with curses, bubbles, bar swaps, or drops poison in group (the list goes on) the main issues is when the majority of the dps are fake dps and think dps means they just attack stuff and don’t ever build to maximum damage (or get to an more reasonable number)
Thank you!!!! All of what you said here does need to brought up way more than it does. It was around 4 years ago that I reached a high enough level and started moving into Vet dungeons and trials. Some guild mates helped me set up my bars and what the rotation should go and I was confused. Never liked how it rarely translated into what I should have slotted when I'm in the actual Trial. I eventually found other guilds and groups that knew a lot more about the game. They explained pretty much what you said in the video, it's to get an idea of how well I'm doing at just doing damage. I'm on PS5 and last few patches I've had an average of 100k. Sure It's not the 120k people have been posting but a lot of the time the people who hit those big dummy numbers don't see a mechanic(that they know is coming) and die. I've been asked plenty of times to join runs just because the raid leaders know that I have good raid awareness. Maybe that could be a topic for a future video. May the Hist guide you.
Great video! Drizzy here (just saying that so you can recognize that I have some understanding of what I'm talking about) I disagree on one point kind of, "you only have to max out on one class" I understand what you're trying to say I'd just insert "you have the potential to max out on all" as a magplar main, when I switched over to DK it took me some practice and research and talking with others to grasp the skill priorities of the class In order to hit max parse stats. (Not as much as inital magplar parse progression) what I'm trying to say is, just cause you hit max parse doesn't mean that transitions immediately over to different classes. When i moved to DK I dropped roughly 30% dps on the dummy, you have to learn how to accommodate your class. Which takes practice, research to grasp the understanding. But the potential is there, because you've done it.
Ty for posting this. When i first started parsing, I was told it was mostly to help my muscle memory. So when im in content doing mechs, my roto is second nature
Awesome as always, Red Lips👏👏👏 I remember the best raid lead i got till today, a guy that gave 9 people, myself included, the vet title on Hel Ra hard mode, Sunspire and Kyne's. Each one in one run, knowing how to explaing and ask actions, and had the patience for that. An unforgatable night that ended with the sun rising on my window. But the truth is that is hard to find people like that guy, with that knowledge and, above all, patience and believing that the group was capable of doing it. And no parse was required, by the way. And i can garantee that if you know how to play, you can do any vet trial with 80k dps without dying, at least. I did it and i am an average, but commited, player.
My only qualm with this is that often the parses I find have different sets on the dummy than what I'd use in content and I don't have resources for just parsing. However, I offset that by doing research on how x set(s) are contributing and how much what I'm wearing is contributing.
The problem, is that the dummy “sets” will be the best option for st fights that mimic the dummy. The next issue to maybe talk about is how people few gear sets in eso. There is no such thing as a true one size fits all, there are sets good for certain situations, and the dummy is a fight worth optimizing for like any other fight in the gamr
@eigh1puppies I agree with the original comment. 90% of the time, when I'm shy of the pros, it's because I'm not wearing HS for the parse because I have a job and a family and simply am not interested in testing how much damage I could possibly do in the best case scenario. I have enough time to perfect my actual, in-content build and rotation and I think most players are probably like that. I appreciate your videos with static rotations because so many dps die while staring at their cooldowns. Still, I meet folks in game who insist that an HS/Rele parse is the bees knees. That's like never doing legs in the gym but bragging about your bench press, right? I would love to see some of your parses with gear and rotations better suited to portal mechanics where movement and self healing are required. It would be good to see what kind of ceilings exist from the pros on more applicable dummy scenarios. Appreciate the videos, keep.em coming!!!
@ like I tried to point out in the video, if you don’t max a dummy parse at least once, you really don’t have a chance at hitting a ceiling in content. The dummy teaches fundamentals, and if you can’t master the fundamentals, you surely won’t do great damage in real content. Highland is a crafted gear set luckily, and while you don’t need it, it’s just way easier to gauge your actual performance by comparing your numbers to the actual ceiling. And like any prog in the game, if you can max the dummy one time, you never really have to do it again: you’ve done it, the same way you try to clear a raid one time it’s 10x easier each time you do it after. If you don’t have an interest in doing difficult endgame content, no worries, but if you do, it’s a necessity. I made a super detailed guide for dealing damage in vLC actually that has no views, go watch 20 minutes of it and I think this comment will make a bit more sense 😉
This video is bang on. I also think that many dont understand that their trial dummy build with no pen and all medium is likely not the best in 4 man or solo. People get really angry when you mention that.
@@MrRedRoaster 4 man is dependent on your group comp still. If you mainly play with a set group you can wear whatever. But, for random vet dungeons on all class dps I run med armor with lover stone.
@@shinobi197 even with minor and major breach if your pen isn’t 7k + you will miss the damage checks. For example in vet hm shipwright, when you have to kill the wolves to make a safe space to stand, having enough pen is the answer. But you wont make this burn without either tremorscale active on it or the lover stone in medium armor. Arcs and maybe NBs are different but Plar Sorc and DK really benefit from that extra pen in uncomped play. If weapon/sp around 50k and Crit% around 44-50%, pen at 7779 is ideal for random vet pug runs with medium armor. If you drink spell/weapon potions around 53k sp/wp dmg. But if you play in the same group all the time you can have congruent sets. Im not sure why you would want to run light armor comp but you could. I run exploiter instead of force of nature. This is just my experience. I really noticed a positive difference in dps in 4 man content by switching to the lover stone.
@ no no as a console player your video is a needed breath of fresh air to most of the community. Target dummy literacy is so important and this video showcased that perfectly. Enjoy the new year!
This is a really good video. You briefly touched on both of these, but I'd also like to add a couple of other common theories that come up with 'dummy parsing'. First, the concept of a '120k parser who somehow magically fails to do mechanics and is therefore somehow less important than a mechanics-god who only manages 90k'. Second, the people who continues to argue that using exploiter CP on a dummy is somehow 'cheese' and certain sets have, in their opinion, no 'raid utility' outside of padding dummy numbers.
Love your content. Here's my simple explanation about the parse dummy. Say I built a car that can do 9 seconds in the 1/4 mi and has a top speed of 200mph. I go to the drag strip and track to practice. I do pretty good. Then someone says they need a getaway driver in downtown Manhattan. All my practice at the track was great but now I'm in a real world scenario. It's a totally different situation.
I'm glad ya brought up console players Eigh1 Puppies. While I play on PC, I do use a controller. It's the price one might pay after playing on consoles for an extended number of years. Anyway, it is difficult to bar swap effectively and efficiently with a controller given a controller layout. We have to take our left thumb off the left stick and press the left D-Pad button in a split second. In that split second, we stop moving. I think we both know a lot of shit can happen in that split second. As far as parse requirements go, I'm on the fence about this practice. On the one hand, parse requirements feel like applying for a job to me. On the other hand, they can be used as something to aspire towards. I play ESO for the fun of it. I already know my class, the Necromancer, as I've been playing one for years consistently. Hell I don't even entertain the idea of other classes anymore. Given my build, I can typically do around 56K DPS in real fights. What's more is I can stay alive in even the toughest vet dungeons to keep doing that damage. Looking at you vet Graven Deep and Scrivenir's Hall.
This is so real & well said, Pups. Definitely going to share this video around to help players that are learning these kinds of things. The part where you discussed parsing on Z'enKosh is something I've always thought as well. Awesome video as always!!!
The worst are the raid leads and guilds that want you to submit a new parse every patch. It's not just noobs and causal guilds who do this. I've also had to do this for raid leads and guilds who like to brag about their hm and trifecta clears. It's so stupid on top of everything else with the game that I just stopped raiding.
I'm fine, I don't need a dummy parse, I main tank XD. When I do DPS though I'm more inclined toward dmg support sets over my own individual highest damage and mastering mechanics instead so if a team needs a "backroom runner" or "portal team" I can handle these kinda things.
Man you beat me to this video lol . Very good video. I agree 💯 percent however i also think some who are against parsing are gonna come out there and say hey puppies said i don't have to parse even tho thats not what your saying at all. Becuz the endgame is so small compared to the casual community parsing gets misinterpreted alot follow by bad teachers Like everything in life you gotta put in the work parsing cleans your rotation so every dps should do it to point that eventually you get so fluent when you get to higher endgame its not even something to think about anymore the rest becomes team reps and comp strategy. Literally a fundamental like walking or shooting a basketball 🏀 . Good video .
I really liked how you clarified this as its a misunderstanding I think so many fall into (myself originally too!). The biggest issue I have seen with this though is many times some of my team’s hardest hitters tend to end up on the floor more than others because they over focus on damage. If we are under speed run time and are not pushing score I wish people would focus more on staying alive to actually get the trifecta completed instead of committing to saving 2 seconds and needing us to reset anyway because they died.
I think there’s a time and place. The time to progress mechs and die for the sake of doing damage is while you’re learning: learn what you can and can’t get away with mechanically for the sake of damage while you’re progging, but if you’re on death resets for example, play your life!
No, a combat dummy measures DPS only (not rotation or class understanding). This gives an accurate (not perfect OBVIOUSLY) forecast range to the potential dmg a player will do . Think of it like a Marine at target practice. Dps is not an indication of total game skill (tgs) Over the past few years zos has massively increased the dps , while simultaneously players irl capabilities have equally dropped. On na Xbox....trials are now lead by people who would have been accurately been described as noob a few years ago. A few years ago this state im describing was already in existence, however players today are SO SO terrible compared to the past the is NO comparison. Hence why dps is 3 to 4 times greater than past ESO. Recent examples: vhrc (first boss, rainbow method). i say "please use as little movement as possible, movement is causing the whirlwind dmg attacks, stop moving its going to kill people". Trial captain: " oh no, we learned in "something garbled " never stop moving"! Me : no just please stop moving constantly on purpose " Captain"no that doesn't work lol" Then puts me in mute. Non vet Cloudrest 0 (as easy as they can make a trial). Captain:" im not starting till we have a downstairs team" .....then goes in and "pull simoja (sp)" around in circles.... 🤣 As dps and healers try to run in circles back and forth to stay on her tail." What im saying is this...." people are stupid."..even the people reading this, and there was a time due to many forces education and progression were "real things" in ESO. A lot of people who learned this left, the brain drain cant be replaced with people who just watched a TH-cam video.... along with zos's increases to dps and to ease the game..there is no coincision between dps and actual game playing skill (gps). The result is a changing of the guard by which the blind are now leading the blind lowering the bar for all. A lack of awareness of this manifestation continues the downward trend. On Xbox na people leading trials this year would have been kicked from group 4 years ago.
Sadly, parse scores have now become a discrimination tool in "Normal" trials which are supposed to be for beginners! Want to know why trials are losing players just ask anyone that has been booted from a "Normal" trials when they are trying to learn how to do trials. Greedy trials group leaders are playing the "Stats" game to the detriment of ALL.
Such an amazing video pups! and very well detailed! I just mostly use the dummy to practice roatiuons! I already knew like when I was playing that the trial dummy Doesn't = actual real world raid numbers because they are so so so many veribles in raids and like you say There is no mechs happening while you are hitting that trial dummy!!
As a returning player. Quit when Morrowind came along and started again 2 weeks ago, i don't even bother with veteran dungeons, yet alone vet trials. Before quitting, i did achieve the Flawless Conqueror in VMA, did Hel Ra on vet and Law of Morkaj on vet. It will take some time for me to be able to do even VMA without a death with higher CP than i was. Doing 100k dps on a dummy was never my thing, as i was always a support dps. Revive if needed, burst if needed. I didn't lack dps, but other were better so i was a support dps mag Templar as it was the easiest to use and not run out of resources and/or die. Lots has changed in the game since i left but so far i enjoy it again.
The trend I've seen over the past few years is... someone on TH-cam posts a parse on pc then that # or slightly less is the new # required to get into a trial. Had this discussion with a GM where he listed every trial and the lowest requirement was 110k for crag trials. And it just went up from there. Nevermind that up until VRG came out, very few people were hitting 100k. The lazy raid lead as you say is the perfect label these days because everyone wants the highest dps #'s so they can either skip all mechanics instead of learning them OR so the person setting the requirements can low-key get carried through it.
ofc, cuz the time a boss is not attackable counts into the log, means the dmg you do drops per second, but that does not change the fact that you can proove your class by showing a decent parse. some ppl dont even know what their rotation is, those have to learn that first instead of stealing the time of 11 people.
What an amazing video, send this to all raid leads.(especially console) My favorite part is at 9:45 . How someone understands to alter their damage around the fight/mechanics tells you a lot about the players proficiency. to quote myself "are you a dd or do you DAMAGE?". A lot of good insights to endgame raiding too. awesome.
May I ask how much cp would be required for that 100k+ mark? I'm trying to wrap up my stam arc and currently I have coral riptide, deadly strikes, slimecraw & velothi. On the parse I'm only @ 86k dps. I do understand your point here but I'm curious if I can get help. Currently I'm 602 CP and trying to break into doing trials regularly. Also, I don't have banner yet and I've heard it's really good how much dps potentially could that add?
I think some player require a dummy parse is to show that you know how to use your rotation. Using your rotation at 90%/100% is really good when youre running vet anything for achievements. Its not always about how high you get your number.
Good night (Cuz is night in my country). My answer to this question: IF YOU WANNA DO AND/OR GET THOSE FANCY AND WACKO DUNGEONS AND TRIAL VET ACHIEVMENTS YES, YOU NEED 101% A HIGH PARSING DPS. A low DPS is just a pain in the Azandar in a coordinated end game vet achievment group. But if you are okay doing just normal activities in trials and dlc dungeons. A WHOLE NOT. YOU DON'T NEED CARE ABOUT PARSING AT ALL. I am a low dps parser, but i can run (solo or grouped) any TESO normal endgame alone, almost all base vet dungeons, and some trial first bosses. I can't go far in trials cuz ZoS hate players going solo in "endgame content". That's why ZoS solution is: 1. Pantagruelic health bars in endgame bosses and mobs, 2. One shoot mechs against clock (portals, odd enrages, odd ads). I love TESO and i accept that state of endgame to date. I will never get those fancy vet endgame trial mounts, skins or those perfected sets (i will not pay a carry in my life). But few perfected parsers barely can survive a vet base dungeon. The IA show majority of high dps parsers cannot run solo or in twosomes. They need those big heals and big taunts cuz bosses and mobs give them ecoansiety. You can't get all in this life. Some wins and some loose.
Ngl I practice my tank and healer rotos on the dummy when I'm doing something goofy like tank or healer parsing just to get an idea of the damage and sustain
I've always seen it like this. Literally was typing what you were saying as you started saying it. It definitely acts like that, a way to "prove" you are able to build a thing a get that rotation bang on.
If you end up making that console weaving video, i play on console, and only saw my weaving improve when i changed my spammable attack to L1/LB. That way its a lot easier to weave in and out with the right trigger and the spammable. X makes no sense to me as a spammable button because hitting them one after the other i have to contort my hand.
Good vid as always! I feel giga cringe when I still see some lfg posts of a group that requires a dummy parse. What you hit on dummy doesnt at all say what are you capable of doing in raid. I know many people with almost max dummy parses but when it comes to raid, I just outparse them by a lot lmao. And then people are wondering why are their progs taking so long. Logs should be the main requirement, they say a lot more about a player than a dummy parse does.
I had a guild leader that basically said all this when she explained why I needed to do a certain amount with a target dummy. I worked extremely hard, for many days to get to the number she necessitated to be in the trials. I will say, without a doubt, that practicing light attack weaving and your rotation absolutely helps with your dps. Also, I am horrible at light attack weaving. It was all I could muster to make one parse above the number required. It saddens me that people will just toss out folks because of this. I do understand that trifectas require a level of commitment that I can not reach, but just cause I understand it doesn't mean I am happy about it.
I agree, but will say that my friends who hit harder on the dummy always hit harder in content. If you understand how to hit hard on the dummy you probably have a good grasp on mecs and skills
When you're tanking a vet trial and the boss dies in 25mins on a 7min fight you tell me if parsing is important or not. The point is if i have a person who only plays a werewolf instead of the templar class, they are wasted potential and am wasting my and our group's time by not hitting higher than the 40k parse he said he did. But he could be hitting for 117k like I do and we'll be done three times faster.
@eigh1puppies Yes sir I did. This wasn't sarcasm at all and I'm sorry it came out This way. I'm stressing the importance of pushing people to learn their classes and do more overall damage by practicing on the target dummy. It's frustrating as a tank watching the health % dwindle ever so slowly knowing there's minimal DPS in the group.
DoTs are one thing I am having gripe with. All the PvE builds emphasise DoTs. It crumbles as soon as you have to recast them or encounter lasts like 4 seconds. I hope they will move away from this DoT centered playstyle in 2025 plan.
I think “dots” are kind of the foundation of est combat, and when/where/how to cast them makes up the complexity of raid rotation, but I do agree that I wish every class didn’t use them the exact same way
@@eigh1puppies Indeed. Especially when almost ALL builds (haven't seen one that doesn't) use same two dots in their rotation. Dual Wield Cloak of Blades and Fighter Guild Trap. Trap it self is absurd, it's even good in open world content. In few seconds it deals more damage than most of classes toolkit. I like how they plan to move on to separate skill sets for PvE and PvP. Maybe open world PvE players will find good use for bursty PvP skills.
So are the numbers you hit on the dummy way less then real content or roughly the same givin the situation be the same like standing still not having to dodge roll etc i get so lost i build alot of your builds minus the perfected trial gear and i do maybe a fraction and end up just going back to 1 bar build that i know i can atleast solo anything i really need on the sorc or just do support role like healer cause i cant get my dps past 65-75k on a dummy i feel as if my dps lacks so im better off support
It really depends on the fight it could be way less or way more, that’s kind of the point: there is no way to correlate the damage. We can get that to 100k easily, shoot me a dm on discord if you’d like!
I feel like the dummy doesn't actually measure your true skill, for real here the dummy doesn't hit you back or actively try to kill you, I feel like VOD is more straight forward. At the end of the day it's come to your understanding of the mechanics when to deal the damage when to avoid getting kill not just have tunnel vision. I think if you try to practice your rotation try it with real combat would be more effective anyway.
@@auroraemperor2477 the problem is that this statement assumes that there is a “rotation” There is no content “rotation” there are only mechanics that make you change your “dummy rotation” for the sake of extra burst, aoe, ect, to get more damage than you can on a dummy or get otherwise. If cannot first get the dummy rotation down, there is 0 chance you are effectively coming up with AND implementing practical changes to that roto to increase damage, and I think that’s a big message I’m really tryin to get across here
@@eigh1puppies I do agreed with most of your point, I probably used the wrong word not " content rotation " more like dynamic rotation. Speaking from personal experience in real fight your rotation will change according to the mechanics you are facing such as you timing to use spam able or reapply your dots but, yeah I played this game enough to know that the fundamental of rotations is not that different you master 1 class you pretty much understand how to retrace your step on other classes. Anyway pretty good video. Just want to tell you this I watch your stamina necromancer video a lot for rotations practice keep up the good work man. waiting for you next video
Truly i dont agree with parsing at all what i care about is your ability to stay alive and can do some decent damage if you can stay alive, do damage and support your team thats all you need parseing high numbers is just about skipping mechanics which if you ask me is a fundamental part of the game and what makes it a challenge/fun so why work so hard to skip it just get good at the mechanic
Agreed… parsing is great for practicing weaving, tracking timers, and learning a class while you develop the muscle memory to get the fundamentals down. Once I got to a certain level, parsing just wasn’t something I cared to do anymore. I’d much rather apply that knowledge to actual fights in real content, rather than playing the “who’s bigger” game in a crit battle on the dummy. Also agree that gauging skill level on a parse alone might be fine for newer teams doing the older content because those players won’t have the pov’s to show for themselves, and quite frankly raid leads for those beginner teams probably won’t know what to look for in a good pov anyway, so I can totally see parse requirements holding more weight for that level of group. I also agree that as you progress as a player and start taking on more difficult content (think pb and trials after that) that a great parse alone won’t get you very far in that environment. I’ve seen dummy humpers flop in content, and as a raid lead this is where povs hold more weight than just a parse when it comes to picking players, giving feedback, etc.
That’s very much a bad takeaway from the video. If you want any help improving that 60k I guarantee you one discord message can get you to 100k easy, feel free to reach out!
Parsing should be done using what set and CP you will roll with not some parsing setup, also knowing mechanics outweigh knowing how to play dance dance revolution 😂😂😂
@@fil-amphilippines5157 I think you missed the point of the video unfortunately :/ There’s no point in parsing in the “setup you’ll roll with” because it will not effectively measure the damage you’re actually going to do. A small argument to made for the sake of practice maybe, but that argument is largely irrelevant in terms of setup. You should parse to learn how to do damage, and to gauge how good of an understanding you have, you should use the parse dummy setups.
First thing I do with new players is get them all to turn off dps share / display in hodor, focus on mechs, cpm etc instead, clear is more important than top parse.
This is a rather multifaceted issue for players in eso. I think parts 2 and 3 are the biggest crux for the game- especially new players. Parsing is important for learning the game’s combat mechs, but it can feel like a chore to do in game. High level success (contrary to what Zos would like you to think) isn’t really achievable for everyone. There are very real physical and mental limitations that prevent many good players from ever being in that top percentage of damage. In the 7 years I played I never moved beyond a certain aptitude because I don’t possess the skill set to. Though I loved the game, eventually this became a point of contention in being shut out of content I was paying for. With strict dummy parse requirements and no tolerance for those learning the fight, end game achievements were shut out for many who, with a bit of support and patience, may have become solid players. Damage is king in eso and you either step up or step out. The fallout of this mindset was it actually became harder to fill raids consistently and achieve goals. When everyone needs to be pulling their weight equally and not wasting anyone’s time what are you left to do then? Spend all your time parsing, running with lower skill level teams that don’t teach you anything, or hopefully pugging into a mid level group/joining a guild that has the patience and leadership to teach you. I left the game about a year ago and from what I can gather from content creators, things have not gotten any better for end game. I would have loved to keep playing but I reached the point where the game became series of diminishing returns. 😢 Thank you for continuing to fight the good fight for new players. I appreciate that there are those like you still willing and able to help and bring in aspiring end players. I sincerely hope Zos can do more to support your efforts. ❤️
@@AI_TrashPanda I also think someone who can do mechs but can’t do damage is useless 😅 A players goal should be to do both, not one or the other. A good DD can do perfect damage without ever sacrificing their rotation for a mechanic, in fact, being able to plan your damage around mechanics is also the mark of a good mechanical player.
@ I see bad damage with no deaths FAR more than I see good damage. The “don’t die” mindset is a plague for player progression especially on Xbox imo People get so scared to die that they just press random buttons until a mechanic is over half the time 😂
The real issue is the lack of experienced raid leads. Most have left the game and parse requirements become the default because of that gap in knowledge.
Dw Charlie I believe in you
@ChibiCosmos 😭😭😭
Based Charles comment. Retired from being one of the best raid leads to be one of the best Rift RPers. Miss you, homie. ;__;
@@CharlieZimbo rather sit and train a dps hitting 100k how to do mechs than a solo player who thinks they need 35k health in a trial who hits 35k. But… I would take a 35k who listens and understands over an 100k who can’t figure it out and kills people with curses, bubbles, bar swaps, or drops poison in group (the list goes on) the main issues is when the majority of the dps are fake dps and think dps means they just attack stuff and don’t ever build to maximum damage (or get to an more reasonable number)
Thank you!!!! All of what you said here does need to brought up way more than it does. It was around 4 years ago that I reached a high enough level and started moving into Vet dungeons and trials. Some guild mates helped me set up my bars and what the rotation should go and I was confused. Never liked how it rarely translated into what I should have slotted when I'm in the actual Trial. I eventually found other guilds and groups that knew a lot more about the game. They explained pretty much what you said in the video, it's to get an idea of how well I'm doing at just doing damage. I'm on PS5 and last few patches I've had an average of 100k. Sure It's not the 120k people have been posting but a lot of the time the people who hit those big dummy numbers don't see a mechanic(that they know is coming) and die. I've been asked plenty of times to join runs just because the raid leaders know that I have good raid awareness. Maybe that could be a topic for a future video. May the Hist guide you.
Great video! Drizzy here (just saying that so you can recognize that I have some understanding of what I'm talking about) I disagree on one point kind of, "you only have to max out on one class" I understand what you're trying to say I'd just insert "you have the potential to max out on all" as a magplar main, when I switched over to DK it took me some practice and research and talking with others to grasp the skill priorities of the class In order to hit max parse stats. (Not as much as inital magplar parse progression) what I'm trying to say is, just cause you hit max parse doesn't mean that transitions immediately over to different classes. When i moved to DK I dropped roughly 30% dps on the dummy, you have to learn how to accommodate your class. Which takes practice, research to grasp the understanding. But the potential is there, because you've done it.
Yeah that’s fair, the point should maybe be reframed to say that it is 1000x easier after you’ve done it once
@@eigh1puppies it does get easier with every class you reach through that's 100%
Ty for posting this. When i first started parsing, I was told it was mostly to help my muscle memory. So when im in content doing mechs, my roto is second nature
Awesome as always, Red Lips👏👏👏
I remember the best raid lead i got till today, a guy that gave 9 people, myself included, the vet title on Hel Ra hard mode, Sunspire and Kyne's. Each one in one run, knowing how to explaing and ask actions, and had the patience for that. An unforgatable night that ended with the sun rising on my window.
But the truth is that is hard to find people like that guy, with that knowledge and, above all, patience and believing that the group was capable of doing it. And no parse was required, by the way. And i can garantee that if you know how to play, you can do any vet trial with 80k dps without dying, at least. I did it and i am an average, but commited, player.
My only qualm with this is that often the parses I find have different sets on the dummy than what I'd use in content and I don't have resources for just parsing. However, I offset that by doing research on how x set(s) are contributing and how much what I'm wearing is contributing.
The problem, is that the dummy “sets” will be the best option for st fights that mimic the dummy.
The next issue to maybe talk about is how people few gear sets in eso. There is no such thing as a true one size fits all, there are sets good for certain situations, and the dummy is a fight worth optimizing for like any other fight in the gamr
@eigh1puppies I agree with the original comment. 90% of the time, when I'm shy of the pros, it's because I'm not wearing HS for the parse because I have a job and a family and simply am not interested in testing how much damage I could possibly do in the best case scenario. I have enough time to perfect my actual, in-content build and rotation and I think most players are probably like that.
I appreciate your videos with static rotations because so many dps die while staring at their cooldowns. Still, I meet folks in game who insist that an HS/Rele parse is the bees knees. That's like never doing legs in the gym but bragging about your bench press, right?
I would love to see some of your parses with gear and rotations better suited to portal mechanics where movement and self healing are required. It would be good to see what kind of ceilings exist from the pros on more applicable dummy scenarios.
Appreciate the videos, keep.em coming!!!
@ like I tried to point out in the video, if you don’t max a dummy parse at least once, you really don’t have a chance at hitting a ceiling in content. The dummy teaches fundamentals, and if you can’t master the fundamentals, you surely won’t do great damage in real content.
Highland is a crafted gear set luckily, and while you don’t need it, it’s just way easier to gauge your actual performance by comparing your numbers to the actual ceiling.
And like any prog in the game, if you can max the dummy one time, you never really have to do it again: you’ve done it, the same way you try to clear a raid one time it’s 10x easier each time you do it after.
If you don’t have an interest in doing difficult endgame content, no worries, but if you do, it’s a necessity.
I made a super detailed guide for dealing damage in vLC actually that has no views, go watch 20 minutes of it and I think this comment will make a bit more sense 😉
@eigh1puppies I can agree to that. I'm missing a lot of what I need to do top damage in specific scenarios 😅
This video is bang on. I also think that many dont understand that their trial dummy build with no pen and all medium is likely not the best in 4 man or solo. People get really angry when you mention that.
@@MrRedRoaster 4 man is dependent on your group comp still. If you mainly play with a set group you can wear whatever. But, for random vet dungeons on all class dps I run med armor with lover stone.
You can do ez full medium on 4 man content, just adjust tank sets for pen thats all
Caltrops is king in 4 man group. I don't even count on tanks to breach.
Defo brother. Me as a Main dungeon dd can totally confirm that.
@@shinobi197 even with minor and major breach if your pen isn’t 7k + you will miss the damage checks. For example in vet hm shipwright, when you have to kill the wolves to make a safe space to stand, having enough pen is the answer. But you wont make this burn without either tremorscale active on it or the lover stone in medium armor. Arcs and maybe NBs are different but Plar Sorc and DK really benefit from that extra pen in uncomped play. If weapon/sp around 50k and Crit% around 44-50%, pen at 7779 is ideal for random vet pug runs with medium armor. If you drink spell/weapon potions around 53k sp/wp dmg. But if you play in the same group all the time you can have congruent sets. Im not sure why you would want to run light armor comp but you could. I run exploiter instead of force of nature. This is just my experience. I really noticed a positive difference in dps in 4 man content by switching to the lover stone.
This is one of the best ESO videos ever posted. This needs shared on Reddit and guild discords. A sincere thank you for making this video!
You’re too kind!
@ no no as a console player your video is a needed breath of fresh air to most of the community. Target dummy literacy is so important and this video showcased that perfectly. Enjoy the new year!
"the dummy is its own progression." awesome rant, very high level insights...
This is a really good video. You briefly touched on both of these, but I'd also like to add a couple of other common theories that come up with 'dummy parsing'. First, the concept of a '120k parser who somehow magically fails to do mechanics and is therefore somehow less important than a mechanics-god who only manages 90k'. Second, the people who continues to argue that using exploiter CP on a dummy is somehow 'cheese' and certain sets have, in their opinion, no 'raid utility' outside of padding dummy numbers.
Meanwhile I'm here hitting a measly 52k average damage on dummy, I've been playing for 3 months or so
Love your content.
Here's my simple explanation about the parse dummy. Say I built a car that can do 9 seconds in the 1/4 mi and has a top speed of 200mph. I go to the drag strip and track to practice. I do pretty good.
Then someone says they need a getaway driver in downtown Manhattan. All my practice at the track was great but now I'm in a real world scenario. It's a totally different situation.
I'm glad ya brought up console players Eigh1 Puppies. While I play on PC, I do use a controller. It's the price one might pay after playing on consoles for an extended number of years. Anyway, it is difficult to bar swap effectively and efficiently with a controller given a controller layout. We have to take our left thumb off the left stick and press the left D-Pad button in a split second. In that split second, we stop moving. I think we both know a lot of shit can happen in that split second.
As far as parse requirements go, I'm on the fence about this practice. On the one hand, parse requirements feel like applying for a job to me. On the other hand, they can be used as something to aspire towards. I play ESO for the fun of it. I already know my class, the Necromancer, as I've been playing one for years consistently. Hell I don't even entertain the idea of other classes anymore. Given my build, I can typically do around 56K DPS in real fights. What's more is I can stay alive in even the toughest vet dungeons to keep doing that damage. Looking at you vet Graven Deep and Scrivenir's Hall.
This is so real & well said, Pups. Definitely going to share this video around to help players that are learning these kinds of things. The part where you discussed parsing on Z'enKosh is something I've always thought as well.
Awesome video as always!!!
Don't forget parsing on a ec cro is pointless also 😂
The worst are the raid leads and guilds that want you to submit a new parse every patch. It's not just noobs and causal guilds who do this. I've also had to do this for raid leads and guilds who like to brag about their hm and trifecta clears. It's so stupid on top of everything else with the game that I just stopped raiding.
I'm fine, I don't need a dummy parse, I main tank XD. When I do DPS though I'm more inclined toward dmg support sets over my own individual highest damage and mastering mechanics instead so if a team needs a "backroom runner" or "portal team" I can handle these kinda things.
Man you beat me to this video lol .
Very good video. I agree 💯 percent however i also think some who are against parsing are gonna come out there and say hey puppies said i don't have to parse even tho thats not what your saying at all.
Becuz the endgame is so small compared to the casual community parsing gets misinterpreted alot follow by bad teachers Like everything in life you gotta put in the work parsing cleans your rotation so every dps should do it to point that eventually you get so fluent when you get to higher endgame its not even something to think about anymore the rest becomes team reps and comp strategy. Literally a fundamental like walking or shooting a basketball 🏀 . Good video .
That’s the best part, the raid lead will know that someone who says that didn’t actually watch the video 😆
@eigh1puppies lol good point lol 😆
I really liked how you clarified this as its a misunderstanding I think so many fall into (myself originally too!). The biggest issue I have seen with this though is many times some of my team’s hardest hitters tend to end up on the floor more than others because they over focus on damage. If we are under speed run time and are not pushing score I wish people would focus more on staying alive to actually get the trifecta completed instead of committing to saving 2 seconds and needing us to reset anyway because they died.
I think there’s a time and place. The time to progress mechs and die for the sake of doing damage is while you’re learning: learn what you can and can’t get away with mechanically for the sake of damage while you’re progging, but if you’re on death resets for example, play your life!
It's crazy to me that people need this information
No, a combat dummy measures DPS only (not rotation or class understanding). This gives an accurate (not perfect OBVIOUSLY) forecast range to the potential dmg a player will do . Think of it like a Marine at target practice.
Dps is not an indication of total game skill (tgs)
Over the past few years zos has massively increased the dps , while simultaneously players irl capabilities have equally dropped. On na Xbox....trials are now lead by people who would have been accurately been described as noob a few years ago.
A few years ago this state im describing was already in existence, however players today are SO SO terrible compared to the past the is NO comparison. Hence why dps is 3 to 4 times greater than past ESO.
Recent examples: vhrc (first boss, rainbow method). i say "please use as little movement as possible, movement is causing the whirlwind dmg attacks, stop moving its going to kill people". Trial captain: " oh no, we learned in "something garbled " never stop moving"!
Me : no just please stop moving constantly on purpose "
Captain"no that doesn't work lol"
Then puts me in mute.
Non vet Cloudrest 0 (as easy as they can make a trial).
Captain:" im not starting till we have a downstairs team" .....then goes in and "pull simoja (sp)" around in circles.... 🤣 As dps and healers try to run in circles back and forth to stay on her tail."
What im saying is this...." people are stupid."..even the people reading this, and there was a time due to many forces education and progression were "real things" in ESO. A lot of people who learned this left, the brain drain cant be replaced with people who just watched a TH-cam video.... along with zos's increases to dps and to ease the game..there is no coincision between dps and actual game playing skill (gps).
The result is a changing of the guard by which the blind are now leading the blind lowering the bar for all. A lack of awareness of this manifestation continues the downward trend.
On Xbox na people leading trials this year would have been kicked from group 4 years ago.
Sadly, parse scores have now become a discrimination tool in "Normal" trials which are supposed to be for beginners! Want to know why trials are losing players just ask anyone that has been booted from a "Normal" trials when they are trying to learn how to do trials. Greedy trials group leaders are playing the "Stats" game to the detriment of ALL.
Such an amazing video pups! and very well detailed! I just mostly use the dummy to practice roatiuons! I already knew like when I was playing that the trial dummy Doesn't = actual real world raid numbers because they are so so so many veribles in raids and like you say There is no mechs happening while you are hitting that trial dummy!!
Shout out to all the houses with random objects to let you walk forward without walking forward.
Lmao. So true
As a returning player. Quit when Morrowind came along and started again 2 weeks ago, i don't even bother with veteran dungeons, yet alone vet trials. Before quitting, i did achieve the Flawless Conqueror in VMA, did Hel Ra on vet and Law of Morkaj on vet. It will take some time for me to be able to do even VMA without a death with higher CP than i was. Doing 100k dps on a dummy was never my thing, as i was always a support dps. Revive if needed, burst if needed. I didn't lack dps, but other were better so i was a support dps mag Templar as it was the easiest to use and not run out of resources and/or die. Lots has changed in the game since i left but so far i enjoy it again.
The trend I've seen over the past few years is... someone on TH-cam posts a parse on pc then that # or slightly less is the new # required to get into a trial. Had this discussion with a GM where he listed every trial and the lowest requirement was 110k for crag trials. And it just went up from there. Nevermind that up until VRG came out, very few people were hitting 100k. The lazy raid lead as you say is the perfect label these days because everyone wants the highest dps #'s so they can either skip all mechanics instead of learning them OR so the person setting the requirements can low-key get carried through it.
Makes sense. I am happy i dont do end game trials.
The intro clip looks familiar :). Nice vid pups
ofc, cuz the time a boss is not attackable counts into the log, means the dmg you do drops per second, but that does not change the fact that you can proove your class by showing a decent parse. some ppl dont even know what their rotation is, those have to learn that first instead of stealing the time of 11 people.
What an amazing video, send this to all raid leads.(especially console) My favorite part is at 9:45 . How someone understands to alter their damage around the fight/mechanics tells you a lot about the players proficiency. to quote myself "are you a dd or do you DAMAGE?". A lot of good insights to endgame raiding too. awesome.
May I ask how much cp would be required for that 100k+ mark? I'm trying to wrap up my stam arc and currently I have coral riptide, deadly strikes, slimecraw & velothi. On the parse I'm only @ 86k dps. I do understand your point here but I'm curious if I can get help. Currently I'm 602 CP and trying to break into doing trials regularly. Also, I don't have banner yet and I've heard it's really good how much dps potentially could that add?
I’ve hit 100k at cp 180 on Stam arc when I swapped to the EU server
Banner is about a 5k increase!
I think some player require a dummy parse is to show that you know how to use your rotation. Using your rotation at 90%/100% is really good when youre running vet anything for achievements. Its not always about how high you get your number.
I love this video. It's basically a Ted talk of how I feel about the dummy as a console player.
Good night (Cuz is night in my country). My answer to this question: IF YOU WANNA DO AND/OR GET THOSE FANCY AND WACKO DUNGEONS AND TRIAL VET ACHIEVMENTS YES, YOU NEED 101% A HIGH PARSING DPS. A low DPS is just a pain in the Azandar in a coordinated end game vet achievment group.
But if you are okay doing just normal activities in trials and dlc dungeons. A WHOLE NOT. YOU DON'T NEED CARE ABOUT PARSING AT ALL.
I am a low dps parser, but i can run (solo or grouped) any TESO normal endgame alone, almost all base vet dungeons, and some trial first bosses. I can't go far in trials cuz ZoS hate players going solo in "endgame content". That's why ZoS solution is: 1. Pantagruelic health bars in endgame bosses and mobs, 2. One shoot mechs against clock (portals, odd enrages, odd ads).
I love TESO and i accept that state of endgame to date. I will never get those fancy vet endgame trial mounts, skins or those perfected sets (i will not pay a carry in my life). But few perfected parsers barely can survive a vet base dungeon. The IA show majority of high dps parsers cannot run solo or in twosomes. They need those big heals and big taunts cuz bosses and mobs give them ecoansiety.
You can't get all in this life. Some wins and some loose.
Ngl I practice my tank and healer rotos on the dummy when I'm doing something goofy like tank or healer parsing just to get an idea of the damage and sustain
I’ve done this before for sure
I've always seen it like this. Literally was typing what you were saying as you started saying it. It definitely acts like that, a way to "prove" you are able to build a thing a get that rotation bang on.
1:08 damn cool log, that 2nd plar is healer i heard and is a giga gamer
I’m guessing I found your teams log? 😂
I find it helpful just to practice the skill rotation and timing on the skills.
Very good for getting a feel for animations
If you end up making that console weaving video, i play on console, and only saw my weaving improve when i changed my spammable attack to L1/LB. That way its a lot easier to weave in and out with the right trigger and the spammable. X makes no sense to me as a spammable button because hitting them one after the other i have to contort my hand.
I usually use B personally XD
Good vid as always! I feel giga cringe when I still see some lfg posts of a group that requires a dummy parse. What you hit on dummy doesnt at all say what are you capable of doing in raid. I know many people with almost max dummy parses but when it comes to raid, I just outparse them by a lot lmao. And then people are wondering why are their progs taking so long. Logs should be the main requirement, they say a lot more about a player than a dummy parse does.
@@AlduinESO TO BE FAIR you are one of the dummy gods Im referring to in the video 😂
Thanks for the insight as always brother 🤝
I put this video on my phone and it lit on fire when I was away. This is peak ESO knowledge.
I had a guild leader that basically said all this when she explained why I needed to do a certain amount with a target dummy. I worked extremely hard, for many days to get to the number she necessitated to be in the trials. I will say, without a doubt, that practicing light attack weaving and your rotation absolutely helps with your dps. Also, I am horrible at light attack weaving. It was all I could muster to make one parse above the number required. It saddens me that people will just toss out folks because of this. I do understand that trifectas require a level of commitment that I can not reach, but just cause I understand it doesn't mean I am happy about it.
@@Bowmanganie I strongly believe that everybody is capable of maxing a dummy parse with the right coaching
Another banger 🔥🔥 I pray the people who need to hear this take it in!
I agree, but will say that my friends who hit harder on the dummy always hit harder in content. If you understand how to hit hard on the dummy you probably have a good grasp on mecs and skills
When you're tanking a vet trial and the boss dies in 25mins on a 7min fight you tell me if parsing is important or not. The point is if i have a person who only plays a werewolf instead of the templar class, they are wasted potential and am wasting my and our group's time by not hitting higher than the 40k parse he said he did. But he could be hitting for 117k like I do and we'll be done three times faster.
Did you watch the video?
@eigh1puppies Yes sir I did. This wasn't sarcasm at all and I'm sorry it came out This way. I'm stressing the importance of pushing people to learn their classes and do more overall damage by practicing on the target dummy. It's frustrating as a tank watching the health % dwindle ever so slowly knowing there's minimal DPS in the group.
@ my fault!
@ I definitely took the “you tell me if parsing is important or not” as a response to the thumbnail 😂
I know kite jesus. Love seeing folks I play w/ in your content!
@@C42-e8n kites one of the best players I know!
@ Definitely! I got GS with him.
@@eigh1puppies also, great video! This conversation really needed for console gamers!
Really great video
Do we need a DD or a DPS Boss Raid Manager.
We need cmx/hodor (dps trackers essentially) for console
Sitting here with my 20k parse and thinking I'm doing great.
No, not only should you not "parse", it means nothing. Just play the game to have fun, that's it.
Great video 👑 👑 👑
DoTs are one thing I am having gripe with. All the PvE builds emphasise DoTs.
It crumbles as soon as you have to recast them or encounter lasts like 4 seconds.
I hope they will move away from this DoT centered playstyle in 2025 plan.
I think “dots” are kind of the foundation of est combat, and when/where/how to cast them makes up the complexity of raid rotation, but I do agree that I wish every class didn’t use them the exact same way
@@eigh1puppies Indeed. Especially when almost ALL builds (haven't seen one that doesn't) use same two dots in their rotation. Dual Wield Cloak of Blades and Fighter Guild Trap.
Trap it self is absurd, it's even good in open world content. In few seconds it deals more damage than most of classes toolkit.
I like how they plan to move on to separate skill sets for PvE and PvP. Maybe open world PvE players will find good use for bursty PvP skills.
So are the numbers you hit on the dummy way less then real content or roughly the same givin the situation be the same like standing still not having to dodge roll etc i get so lost i build alot of your builds minus the perfected trial gear and i do maybe a fraction and end up just going back to 1 bar build that i know i can atleast solo anything i really need on the sorc or just do support role like healer cause i cant get my dps past 65-75k on a dummy i feel as if my dps lacks so im better off support
It really depends on the fight it could be way less or way more, that’s kind of the point: there is no way to correlate the damage.
We can get that to 100k easily, shoot me a dm on discord if you’d like!
@eigh1puppies i added you on discord idk if it will let me dm you or not with out being friends
Common Pups W! Well said dude!
I feel like the dummy doesn't actually measure your true skill, for real here the dummy doesn't hit you back or actively try to kill you, I feel like VOD is more straight forward. At the end of the day it's come to your understanding of the mechanics when to deal the damage when to avoid getting kill not just have tunnel vision. I think if you try to practice your rotation try it with real combat would be more effective anyway.
@@auroraemperor2477 the problem is that this statement assumes that there is a “rotation”
There is no content “rotation” there are only mechanics that make you change your “dummy rotation” for the sake of extra burst, aoe, ect, to get more damage than you can on a dummy or get otherwise.
If cannot first get the dummy rotation down, there is 0 chance you are effectively coming up with AND implementing practical changes to that roto to increase damage, and I think that’s a big message I’m really tryin to get across here
@@eigh1puppies I do agreed with most of your point, I probably used the wrong word not " content rotation " more like dynamic rotation. Speaking from personal experience in real fight your rotation will change according to the mechanics you are facing such as you timing to use spam able or reapply your dots but, yeah I played this game enough to know that the fundamental of rotations is not that different you master 1 class you pretty much understand how to retrace your step on other classes. Anyway pretty good video. Just want to tell you this I watch your stamina necromancer video a lot for rotations practice keep up the good work man. waiting for you next video
Truly i dont agree with parsing at all what i care about is your ability to stay alive and can do some decent damage if you can stay alive, do damage and support your team thats all you need parseing high numbers is just about skipping mechanics which if you ask me is a fundamental part of the game and what makes it a challenge/fun so why work so hard to skip it just get good at the mechanic
Nice work homie
Agreed… parsing is great for practicing weaving, tracking timers, and learning a class while you develop the muscle memory to get the fundamentals down.
Once I got to a certain level, parsing just wasn’t something I cared to do anymore. I’d much rather apply that knowledge to actual fights in real content, rather than playing the “who’s bigger” game in a crit battle on the dummy.
Also agree that gauging skill level on a parse alone might be fine for newer teams doing the older content because those players won’t have the pov’s to show for themselves, and quite frankly raid leads for those beginner teams probably won’t know what to look for in a good pov anyway, so I can totally see parse requirements holding more weight for that level of group.
I also agree that as you progress as a player and start taking on more difficult content (think pb and trials after that) that a great parse alone won’t get you very far in that environment. I’ve seen dummy humpers flop in content, and as a raid lead this is where povs hold more weight than just a parse when it comes to picking players, giving feedback, etc.
Well I got a dk and can only hit 60k now so I guess I shouldn’t even play now. Nevertheless 5 updates ago I was going 90k. Nothing to do with the game
That’s very much a bad takeaway from the video. If you want any help improving that 60k I guarantee you one discord message can get you to 100k easy, feel free to reach out!
Parsing should be done using what set and CP you will roll with not some parsing setup, also knowing mechanics outweigh knowing how to play dance dance revolution 😂😂😂
@@fil-amphilippines5157 I think you missed the point of the video unfortunately :/
There’s no point in parsing in the “setup you’ll roll with” because it will not effectively measure the damage you’re actually going to do.
A small argument to made for the sake of practice maybe, but that argument is largely irrelevant in terms of setup. You should parse to learn how to do damage, and to gauge how good of an understanding you have, you should use the parse dummy setups.
Destro, are you paying attention? Xbox NA
First thing I do with new players is get them all to turn off dps share / display in hodor, focus on mechs, cpm etc instead, clear is more important than top parse.
@@lef1970 I 100% have thrown MANY times for the top parse 😂
This is a rather multifaceted issue for players in eso. I think parts 2 and 3 are the biggest crux for the game- especially new players. Parsing is important for learning the game’s combat mechs, but it can feel like a chore to do in game. High level success (contrary to what Zos would like you to think) isn’t really achievable for everyone. There are very real physical and mental limitations that prevent many good players from ever being in that top percentage of damage. In the 7 years I played I never moved beyond a certain aptitude because I don’t possess the skill set to. Though I loved the game, eventually this became a point of contention in being shut out of content I was paying for. With strict dummy parse requirements and no tolerance for those learning the fight, end game achievements were shut out for many who, with a bit of support and patience, may have become solid players. Damage is king in eso and you either step up or step out. The fallout of this mindset was it actually became harder to fill raids consistently and achieve goals. When everyone needs to be pulling their weight equally and not wasting anyone’s time what are you left to do then? Spend all your time parsing, running with lower skill level teams that don’t teach you anything, or hopefully pugging into a mid level group/joining a guild that has the patience and leadership to teach you. I left the game about a year ago and from what I can gather from content creators, things have not gotten any better for end game. I would have loved to keep playing but I reached the point where the game became series of diminishing returns. 😢 Thank you for continuing to fight the good fight for new players. I appreciate that there are those like you still willing and able to help and bring in aspiring end players. I sincerely hope Zos can do more to support your efforts. ❤️
@@frankieluv1479 I really truly with all of my heart believe that anybody can play the game at a high level, even for parsing, with the right teacher.
A raid lead wanted a ZK with 100k dps for vet trails trifecta's lol
lol that stuff drives me crazy nobody knows what a 100k zenkosh parse on a 21 mil dummy even means 😂
@@damian4748 I dont even think thats possible lmao. Even Geldis does about 95k iirc
I'ma be honest...IDGAF about your parse. I care about your competence. Your damage is useless if you can't accomplish mechanics.
@@AI_TrashPanda I also think someone who can do mechs but can’t do damage is useless 😅
A players goal should be to do both, not one or the other. A good DD can do perfect damage without ever sacrificing their rotation for a mechanic, in fact, being able to plan your damage around mechanics is also the mark of a good mechanical player.
@@eigh1puppies Agreed, but I rarely see someone that understands mechanics without an understanding of fundamentals.
@ I see bad damage with no deaths FAR more than I see good damage. The “don’t die” mindset is a plague for player progression especially on Xbox imo
People get so scared to die that they just press random buttons until a mechanic is over half the time 😂
@@eigh1puppies If completion is the goal, no death/mediocre dmg is better than the best dmg imo.
@ the easiest way to clear content is with good damage, and if more players prioritized that, there would be more successful raid teams
Gg Chavo!
Eso is sooooo damn easy now! Yall can clear anything with 30k lol 😅 this game is a joke😂
Oh gawd
I dla tego ludzie odchodzą z tej gry kurwa więcej matematyki niż grania
Thats a bulshit actually, and I'm the perfect example of it lmao
if you do 60k on dumy, you are all set. Done. Rest is elitism bs
@@runkorko This is kinda toxic casual talk. You should not ever go for Swash, MM, Unstoppable with 60k dps.
@@eigh1puppies pls. Spare me the "tixic: sheet. All im sayin is, every raid is perfectly doable with 60k dps. Per DD ofc. Facts.
@ it’s not facts though you will not make the speed run in LC HM😂😂😂
You’re white knighting straight bull shit 😂
@@eigh1puppies where i said speed run? I said any raid is doable if ppl pull 60k dps per person on ST, and it is.
Found the carry.