The Biggest Challenges Facing DUNE Prophecy | New HBO TV Series
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- Discussing some of the biggest hurdles for Dune Prophecy from its premise to its source material and the current state of the market. What does it need to do to succeed?
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I feel like this will be the "Young and the Restless" for Dune casuals.
Dune is about political drama and backstabbing in universal wide grudge matches.
If you distilled it down to one faction, you'll lose the thing that makes the Landsrad intrigue so appealing.
Dune lore is a complicated beast. On the one hand you have the BH and KJA version, and on the other you have what the Dune Encyclopedia shows. The latter was specifically disavowed by the Herbert estate (BH KJA). You can get copies of the Dune Encyclopedia as a pdf file (700+ pages).
Brian Herbert would like you to forget that he has a father and think he created the Dune universe and therefore knows what is best for it
I find it interesting that it's two Harkonan women who founded or helped with the founding of the order. I want to see the difference between these Harkonan and the ones 10,000 years later.
They're already trying to redeem the family name at this point because Xavier Harkonnen was branded a traitor in the key battle or one of the key battles against the thinking machines and while his friend, Vorian Atreides knew the truth of what he had done, they are seeking revenge, because they didn't feel like he did what he should do to clear the family's name... So while being part of founding the order, they are also seeking revenge on the Atreides family in the novels this will be pulling from
Fans worried ?
I watched the first movie just ONCE .
Never had any desire to see the second part , and totally ignoring the third one .
No thanks .
I will read the book , again , or watch the 80's movie .... again ..............
Gazillions murdered in heros name... and hero going into the desert.
Unless the writers can nail...I mean REALLY nail this, I'm concerned it'll be 'Rings of Power' with a 'Dune' skin.
this format is much more organic
Yeah they should try a new style to tell the story. The Butlerian jihad was about how technology was used, and not the technology itself. Worrying that they haven't grasped such a basic concept. It depends with the witch thing. I don't mind them as long as they are done right. Warhammer calls psykers, witches so there wil be that word again in that universe. lol. *does-wicked-witch-cackle*
I probably won't watch until I hear from people I trust that it won't drive me crazy. I'm not generally a purist as long as the result is good. But with Dune, I definitely am. Don't mess with it unless you know what you're doing. The Bene Gesserit really is the coolest concept in all of fiction. But I haven't seen evidence that they understand why. Even in the films, they gloss over Other Memory without really thinking it through or showing how central it is to everything that happens. "They have visions! Ooga booga" is about as far as it has gone so far. And if they don't nail that down, they'll kinda skip over what's cool about the universe in its entirety. They seem to want to reduce it to a GoT-like power intrigue with magic show. But I could be wrong. Fingers crossed.
If they keep the identity activists out of the writing staff then it’ll be OK
YAWN. Do you want your mommy to tuck you in ya ❄️🤣😘
What is an identity activist?
@@tomalexander4327 The mere concept of having women, black people and LGBT+ people at all in a story.
Which is ironic, since the series is about the origin of a SISTERhood.
Thank you, Nerd Cookies.
I want to see the weirding way!
Love your channel, thank you.
I never read any Dune novels outside the original 8 book arc (with the last two written by his son). All I want...more than anything....is more exploration of genetic memories. They could potentially do ANYTHING. Sisterhood tapping into genetic memories from women who lived in 2024. Women who lived in the Dark Ages. Women who knew Jesus Christ. Or...blow everyone's mind...and go back to Adam and Eve. The first ancestor. The origin of all genetic memories.
I have a feeling this will crash and burn. Hope not, but I don’t have a lot of faith that this will connect with anyone especially the fans of the books and lore.
Thanks Elaine
By the time PROPHECY comes out Denis Villanueva will already be retired from filmmaking
Speaking of Brian and Anderson, let’s say hypothetically they keep making adaptations of all the mainline Dune books. How do you think fans will react when they get to the last two books Brian and Anderson worked on that closed out the story? I can’t see it being GOT s8 bad, but not great either :/
By NOT following the novel, I suspect this will be another DOA woke dumpster fire. It'll be canceled after the first season.
The show looks so good, if the writing is bad ill watch it on mute and make up my own storylines, im tired of the hurt
Everything has to be a collosal cash grab these days. I'll watch it, I'll probably like it, but I miss the days when creators respected the fan base.
So they are not going to follow the books and make up a lot of stuff? That's usually a recipe for shite
They will ruin it. It will look like the CW and feel like a struggle session.
The biggest challenge? No Zendaya and Timothee, so no zoomer fans will watch the show
Really, good news, hate those actors in Dune.
Zendaya really shouldn't have been Chani, even with the direction chosen for her character, I think it could've been better with someone else.
Timothee himself, I don't really care for, but the boy can act, did ridiculously well in Dune pt. 2
Who cares? The remaining Boomers are the ones who made Dune what it is back in the 70s.
Nothing beats boomers whining that younger people are enjoying things
I'll reserve judgements until I see it. However,it sounds and looks good. I hope it is.
I really would love to see something focused and internal for a Bene Gesserit show rather than having the pressure to be something grand and sweeping like Villeneuve's style. I definitely wish they would have built a different style language with the filmmaking and costuming, something that gave them more creative freedom and a bold take. What I love about the Bene Gesserit is this idea of training and mastering oneself and the internal experience of that. I'd love to feel very close with a character going through her initiation, training and rites. The claustrophobia of that, the pressure, the relationship with what is essentially sex work. I feel like focusing on the Bene Gesserit has to do with THE BODY and I'd love to see influences of things like Butoh and the various dance and body mastery forms that deal with internal experiences. There's something with the grand sweeping imagery in empty spaces that makes me feel so disconnected with the bodies of the actors and I have always imagined what it would be like to train as a Bene Gesserit, to learn the rules. And I think there's just something that needs to be really tactile about that. Watching the trailer makes me feel like there's sort of a cut-and-past Villeneuve thing, even in the acting style. And I think I just want to see the visual aliveness, sexual nature and control of their own bodies being the foundation to what they're able to accomplish throughout the imperium. I think of body horror a bit when I think of the Bene Gesserit---sexy and weird body horror. I dunno. I feel like so many of the witches we see in these shows are style over substance and it would be rad as hell to get people with occult interests to lay the juicy and gritty foundations that it takes to be an actual occultist/witch/yogini---I think the witch is a genre of person who, in media, has become style reference over experience-from-the-inside. I want to feel viscerally from a Bene Gesserit experience. And I hope I get it!! Maybe I will. But the images have this distance, sparseness and coldness. And that's a shame.
I think the bad impressions are because they sucked. hopefully this won't and won't preach a message for modern audiences.
Why am I worried? Because writers today mostly appear devoid of talent. Much like artists, originality is a lost concept. It's copy, copy, warp original vision. Tags words like "fresh approach", and a "modern feel" are dangerous terms today. I have no faith in this show being good past the 1st season if even that. Writers tend to have a message to tell, rather than a story to tell. Ever since Westworld, I have skipped all shows until the 2nd season released. The decline is typically rampant, and I'm tired of wasting my time on false promises, gaslighting, and catfishing.
I stand by my previous opinion that they had a marvellous amount of material and storyline if they had adapted the story of Vian Atreides. With his lifespan alone and the crucial events he lived through, you had a perfect prequel for Dune, including the start of the Harkonnen-Atreides feud, and including the origins of the Bene Gesserit. I really think they missed a golden opportunity for several highly interesting era's of how the Universe eventually ended up with Paul Atreides
Will we end up getting the Rings of Dune. Just make stuff up :P
Biggest problem is this is not a Frank Herbert novel. Yes, Brian Herbert is his son, but it still reads like fan fiction when compared to the original source material. Like trying to add to a Lego set with Duplo blocks…
I'm eager for this show and , like you, I have some reservations. The "witch or coven of witches" is a very common trope in literature, tv, and movies. All these productions are not done in a vacuum. Social media and creative networks with their critics does make a very small world. IMO, it's the story that makes or breaks any and all productions not the tropes or devices employed.
fans are worried? Fans were worried about the last two Dune movies, fans are always worried, that's all fans do is worry
Feels like the show wants to play it safe rather than take risks, something that is trendy lately. I would be more interested in hearing that, after Dune Messiah, the next four books would be adapted by various directors.
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