Two stroke outboard run without oil in fuel
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- Today we look at an old 2 stroke outboard motor that was run without oil in the fuel until it seized. Given the age of the engine and the fact that it had previously sunk the owner hoped to just check whether it survived rather than pulling apart.
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I know you’re going to change the channel to more diving and recovery stuff one day but man do I love the marine repair / explanation stuff. The way you do it is so entertaining and informative. Just love that content. There’s my two cents.
I'm sure he will break plenty of stuff while diving and using the boat in general.
@@ryanp0342 boats are forever falling apart, there will be repairs to come..
second that
The repair side of things is why I watch this channel
Should change to more of a chicken channel IMO.
"Shift ya Bastard", would never be sold in America, totally need to get some of that.
They make a "Start ya Bastard" also
Yeah even if you never needed it, it would be great just to have it on the shelf !
aerostart a valuable thing to have in the boat, the odd times Ive had to give my grumpy old evinrude a spray, or even others having issues at the ramp, its been so handy to have .
Always heard the name but assumed it was slang - never knew it was an actual product name. Going to have to get my Aussie friend to smuggle some back to the states the next time he goes home!
I never heard of it either. I busted out laughing when he said it and I saw the name on the can🤣
Shift, ya bastard!" - only in Australia!
I think hammers in Australia should have "F@%k ya c@#t" engraved on them for when you hit your thumb.
....and the cans of Ether for starting diesel engines is called............Start ya bastard. True story!
Ha! Best product names ever.
Comedy Company - TV show from 1980's
Highlight of the video for me! 🤣
I seized my 18,000 horse power 498cc out board... I did not realise massive engines like mine could not digest pasta... Apparently brocoli and cheese is OK for it... But not pasta 😢😢😢
We get “PB Blaster” you get “Shift Ya Bastard”
Military imagery versus emotional truth.
I wish I could give this video a 'super like', Stu. I wish more boat mechanics (and other technicians) were conducting their business and advice like you do. Just solid plans and honesty that will lead to a happy customer in the long run. Thank you.
I wonder How many times you have dropped tools overboard
Usually once per tool.
Only once from memory and it was quite recently, I'll have to get it back next dive!
If I’m working on stuff outside the boat with a risk of losing it I try to attach a lanyard to the tool and my wrist. Especially if I’m at sea and replacement tools aren’t easily obtainable.
@@FistralG I believe it was David Byrne of The Talking Heads who said "Stop making sense".
@@DangarMarine stu your just making excuses to go diving and using the metal detection machine 😳.
i'm looking for a used outboard around 20 to 30 hp and it's clips like this that have me worried. If I could afford a new one i would, but the funds aren't quite there
Yes, be careful what you buy.
not difficult to find a half decent one, but yes, a challenge, ive gone through plenty 40 year old motors, I check the turn over by hand as a start to make sure they are not seized, after that, 90% of the time a change of plugs, spray of carby cleaner and they are right to go. lucky ive not had one completely stuffed, but they still go.
Half of my tools would be in the water .
That’s so funny I was thinking exactly the same thing. When I do work on cars, half the tools end up dropped on the floor or in the engine bay, inconvenient but you usually get them back. In that marine environment I’d be buying a new ratchet every fortnight 👍🤣
This is true
@@johnfisher747 lol fortnight love it
YES! My thoughts exactly! Been there done that! Hated having to fix an engine on the water. ;-)
sounds like you would have more tools than me. I'd end up dropping all of them
Why on earth would you but the open end of the petrol tank next to the battery ?????????????????????
Excitement?
Great to see you do a video going back to your roots. I think a lot of us subscribed you back in the days when you were doing marine repair in the shop. Great video
Thanks mate, appreciate you staying all this time. :)
Such a pleasure to watch someone that actually understands engines and what they need to keep running. Good work!
Thanks mate.
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Stu, the Adrian of outboards.
You must be everybody's best mate on the island.
You get a few calls...
@@DangarMarine Been there, done that ;)
@@DangarMarine sorry about that mate lol
Scary Stuff working on motor in water! Stuff often gets dropped! Cheers once again from Canada!
Cheers!
No worries, You add that to the final bill & the customer pays.
RE: outboard. The expression beating a dead horse comes to mind
"The surgery was successful, but the patient still died."
LOL
Sunday afternoon with a new Dangar Stu video. How good is that?
Enjoy!
Good to see you finally back on small boat stuff.
Thinking of doing a few each month this year.
@@DangarMarine Excellent, I still like Renko :)
"Shift, ya bastard!" Only available in Australia...
Don't forget, 'start ya bastard' too!
I want some of that stuff lol
stu needs to do an episode just of austrailian products with those catchy names
And nuts off.
Do they make "work ya bastard". I need some for my teenage boys.
Poor Limpy Daffy. Not getting any better. Getting old maybe a tiny dose of CBD oil will remove the pain and give her that pep in step back.
Yeah, I think the bone didn't heal correctly unfortunately. I'll look into the oil.
Great video, wonder why / how it was run without premix though, that probably kills more 2-strokes than anything :D
Just started watching and I'm already feeling nervous about things dropping into the water while pulling apart an outboard while still attached!!
I drop way too many tools and parts to attempt that.
He just swims and gets em calm down
You are right about 2 strokes will run again if run without oil in most cases, Stu. Usually the piston skirt which is alloy will expand and just nip up in the bore, you can get some metal transfer but usually this just alloy transfered onto the bore and it doesn't stick permanently.
Yes, I think in this case it was more death by a thousand cuts. I definitely wouldn't open a 2 stroke up until I was confirmed to be dead. Could end up being a big waste of time and money when it can just be run.
Sad to see such a reliable 2-stroke abused like that one.
Yes, poor thing has had a hard life...
Surprised you didn't suggest a detroit as a change of engine. Lol
I'll call now. ;)
I have an old 1970's Evinrude 9.5 what they called a Sportwin. It was used when I bought it so had an uncertain history. Someone else borrowed it and while carrying it from a tinnie to a car, turned it up side-down and spilled saltwater back into the bores. I always used to stand the motor upright, tilt the motor rearwards and to left and start it for a few seconds on the remaining fuel in the bowl to blow out the exhaust box before loading it into a car boot left side down.
The head had to come off and it took quite a bit of dieseline, oil, a wooden drift and a lot of patient light rapping around the circle of the pistons upon the drift with a small malllet to gradually work the pistons free enough to uncover enough of the bores to clean. They were only very lightly bloomed but pistons wedged stiff by the jammed rings I guess. After closing it back up again it worked fine but became just a little slappy, I am guessing after the rings worked free. It still runs.
To give it a bit of help, I ran it with a more generous dose of oil in the fuel and took my chances with the plugs fouling and the mixture being wrong. It did got get any worse. I was fascinated by the use of teflon non-stick coatings in the water jacket and chambers of the head. For what they are I was amazed at how much of a thrashing they take just in normal use. I was told it should not be babied or it would deteriorate.
Eventually the resin in the ignition coils broke down and that was the end of the spark. The design work for the ignition system was not good. The old coils and the new coils were an interference against the reliefs in the casting intended to clear them and come under destructive pressure when the bolts are tightened as I found out the hard way. It is probably now almost a heritage object.
Great to see an outboard repair episode again, that how I found you some time ago, I like the floating workshop! Those 2 stroke Yams take some abuse and are the motor of choice for most fishermen that live away from easy access to a service workshop, it will be nice to see it live again.
Thanks mate. Actually filmed three different outboard repair videos last month, just need time to edit up all the footage!
2 strokes are built way tougher than any 4 joke stroke. Now run a 4 joke with no oil and see how long its lasts. 1 stroke to power it 3 strokes to wear it out.
13:10 It's dirty but you can hone the bores with the pistons installed. All you're trying to do is break the sharp edges off the scars in the bore. After you need to flush the heck out of it, do everything you can to remove any residual ceramic abrasive.
While you've got the head off you can also feel if there's massively excessive clearance in the rod bearings.
Yep, taking those sharp edges off does make a huge difference. As you say, just keep flushing all the abrasive out until you are 100% sure it's clean and hasn't just gone down the ports into the crankcase.
I did exactly this with a Johnson Outboard that severely overheated. It was a V4 Model and one bank melted the cylinder head. No biggy !! I resurfaced the block surface with a block and sandpaper, sanded and the cylinder bores a little bit with sand paper, flushed flushed flushed with 2 stroke oil to clean out the sand and debris. Cleaned scavenging ports from debris, resurfaced a spare cylinder head I had from another 2 stroke. Put it together, poured premix in the cylinders, BOOM 💥. There she went. Ran it, granted I did a full tune up, washed the whole engine replaced the melted stator, put a spare timing trigger on, new plugs, new premix gas, rebuilt the carbs. Made new gaskets for the carbs. She works like new, re torqued the head bolts after some use. Still Runs !!!!!! The trash engine was brought back to life
Stu
When I worked over at the speed and marine shop , we got plenty of those brought in. And yeah sometimes you end up eating some labor when the customer just leaves it and never calls back.😳
That's it, you put hours in and then they just give up on the engine when they hear what it is likely to cost. If you are lucky there are a few useful parts in it.
Does he live on a boat
Hey Stu do you watch that MartyT fellow, I bet you too would be fantastic mates.
No, I'll check him out.
I'm going to be sharing this video with my customers! I have a lot of customers that just do not understand why I won't work on a lot of older motors. This explains in detail about fixing one thing finding another and then it's just not worth it and then you got an upset customer. I much prefer happy customers over making money any day. Thanks from all the way here from Salt Lake City, UT Danger
I definitely need a case of SHIFT YA BASTARD. It would sell immediately here just for novelty.
How do I get it. 👍🇺🇸
OK, I have to ask, why was it run without oil?
Just picked up the wrong hose. One side is 50:1, the other is unleaded...
@@DangarMarine One more reason to go with four stroke. Also cleaner, quieter, more efficient
Glad you came back to the little outboards and diagnose, can't wait to see that yami in pieces 😁 definitely a good thing to do videos of a little bit of all... Never get tired of the mechanical videos, have a nice trip with Renko Stu, cheers from Argentina
Thanks Martin!
Ya gotta luv the Aussies. Only there could you have a lubrication product marketed under the name "Shift Ya Bastard"!
you guys have a can called shift ya bastard! love it
Not only that, but also "start ya, bastard".
@@grunthostheflatulent9649 Stu forgot to spray the motor with "Be fixed, ya bastard!"
"Didn't sound awesome." How many times have I heard that!
Yeah I'd have dropped half the loose parts overboard.
Very cool, I love watching people go through the diagnostic process, simple symptoms with hundreds of potential root causes. Interesting that the lack of oil appeared to be the nail in the coffin as that outboard clearly had a hard life.
Rod bearings went out with the tide apparently...😂 i have two oil injected scooter engines, i still run premix with em just in case.
I love your outboard repair videos I’ve learned so much from you over the years. Cheers from Texas
Glad to help! :_
Chooks and Two Strokes Perfect rainy Sunday arvo entertainment
Thanks mate!
Its good to run 2 stroke outboards without oil mixture s9mtimes, keeps the carbs clean fo4 longer life of your motor
This was what got me caught way back when you started filmen from your home. You really have a way with repairing and teaching about outbaords. And I can see that I am not the only one that loved that you made a outboard vid again. I loved the hole Renko jurney, It was great, but I sure do miss those outboard magical repair vids. With the amount of comments here, I think people are sending you a message :-)
Thanks mate, more outboard vids to come!
First it was, "Start Ya Bastard", and now, "Shift Ya Bastard". I wish that brand was available in Canada
We have both in Australia 😊👍
Insect & spider spray called " Die ya bastard.".... just kidding.
A Spike Milligan style curse often works
I do have a "Burn ya bastard" switch for my LED spotlights that has a illuminated flaming man running along.
@@dustyfarmer
On 'Vice Grip Garage' Deryk , uses a Varity of Flammable Aerosols to get rid Wasp Nests.
“Shift ya bastard”. Hahahah only in Australia
you almost always see the worst scoring by the exhaust ports because they are the ones that have the most heat. those borescopes always magnify the damage... if you look at it with the head off won't seem as bad, but yea this one needs a bore and hone. piston skirts shot. probably 40% leakdown ha. thanks for the video!
2 strokes need oil ?
Witnessed that statement in person....
@@deathcar You live on Dangar Island ?
"That's not me. Trust me." Still laughing at that one!
If you can set it up... Sailing Zatara crew is in your neck of the woods I think. Sidney-is. They are planning to sail to Western Australia around the south side of the country. Might be an interesting trip for Renko. A nice break-in cruise for the rebuilt motor. If nothing else, meet up before they set sail and you two Mega-Channels can join forces for an episode and dominate TH-cam.
Thanks for the tip Fred, I'll check them out.
There's a guy keeps parking in my space at the garage. Do you think a can of "Shift Ya Bastard" could possibly sort this out?
"Shift Ya Bastard" cracks me up every single time.
I must get a can of Shift Yu Bastard :-) - stay safe
From one Outboard Mechanic to another I have to say, you have balls working on the boat in the water. I would have dropped tools and nuts and bolts in the water, or even better, I would have fallen in the water. lol
Yes, it does get tricky. There isn't even a boat ramp on the island so pulling them out isn't really an option.
@@DangarMarine I own a boat repair business in KY. I have a 30x40 Ft. Shop and I have my customers bring their boats to me. I get a lot of Bass Boats and Pontoon boats. I see everything from 9.9HP - 250.HP. Occasionally I work on I/O Boats. The best part is these are all fresh water boats.....No salt!
Dangar Marine old school. No idea why I enjoy watching Stuey work on an outboard, I never would, but he's got long-time chops and it's just satisfying. A pleasant and educational interlude.
Thanks mate. :)
I know nothing about motors/engines but I enjoyed watching the whole thing. Thanks!
Awesome, thank you!
Love your work Stu. Technically informative and easy to understand. Will be watching more of your videos.
Awesome, thank you!
Had my 2 stroke 3 wheeler seize on me. Walked home, came back an hour later and it fired right up. Ran for almost a year after that till I decided to rebuild it.
That's it, they can just cool down and live to fight another day.
hey Stu loved saying hi in pittwater last weekend. great to see u out there enjoying the conditions.
Hello to both of you from Washington State USA. Have my self a little bayliner for cruising around the Puget Sound. Love the content! Have a great weekend everyone.
It was a great weekend to be out on the water. :)
@@DangarMarine yeah i agree. my sonar said that the water was 27 degrees like wtf
Wait, penetrating oil called " Shift ya Bastard"?
I can't understand why someone would watch this and then downvote it. How miserable must you be? I realize this is a bearing failure, or appears to be, but why have OB manufacturers not gone to the component method like bikes and sleds where it is relatively simple to swap out pistons and jugs?
It will be annoying if this needs a whole new crank assembly.
Still pretty amazing how stout and reliable these outboards are. The fact these will still even pop off and run after the abuse is amazing. You run a 2stroke motorbike out of oil and run it untill it stops you can pretty much guarantee your going to do a total top end rebuild at minimum.
They sure are tough!
Nah, my buddy ran his 2-Stroke bike with an empty oil tank until we could hear the piston SCREAMING as it scraped up and down the bore, while being completely dry. It died while it was idling, and was REAL tight while kick starting it. Ran some premix in it for a tank, along with a full oil tank, then went back to regular fuel, and it ran for years after that.
This is why you should work on your own outboards. Do the basics , water pump, carburetor, voltage etc. you'll be ahead of the game but when they're done they're done.
BTW do you know Thatboatguy's channel? Dude finds all the outboards on the cheap and gets them to run almost all the time.
Indeed, yes, I have watched his vids. :)
I ran a Ford 302 marine inboard at high throttle and the freshwater cooling system had snapped off at a connection so the motor got super hot very quickly I heard a loud bang and upon inspection realized it was the dipstick and it’s handle that was shot out of its tube the motor was stuck I did manage to get into my slip squirted Marvel Mystery into the plug holes and let it sit for 24 hours then I tried the starter and she fired up and has been running for over 25 years ! , with your outboard because it’s a Yamaha I would want it to be fixed btw the Chinese make a Yamaha clone you can find on EBay I would resource parts from them to rebuild a real Yamaha on the cheap if needed to save a out board but heck if you got decent compression and it to run then I’d use it as it is personally and everyday I got out of it I would count as a blessing or gift
Great to hear your inboard survived it's overheating.
Who's the guy in the photograph on the wall during the intro?
Bill Murray from Life Aquatic 😅
@@outdoors5352 thanks! 👍
Looking forward to the other videos. I have the same engine on my speedboat in the Netherlands.
I had a similar problem with my Merc 3.3, not by lack of oil in fuel or a dunking but possibly from inverting the engine while stowing it away, causing a bit of salt water getting in to the crankcase and then on the crankshaft roller bearings. Managed to unseize with lots of spray down the plug hole and in the carby. It ran but very noisy so I ended up stripping it apart and ordered the full parts kit to repair it off ebay. Works like a dream now. It's never too hard to have go at fixing something yourself particularly with the help of Stu's informative videos.
do you have access to Marvel Mystery in Australia. Good candidate to pour in the cylinders and soak------Mikey in Sequim, USA
I haven't seen it around. I'm sure it can be found but it doesn't seem to be commonly stocked by anyone.
The outboard vids are my favorite
The teenager in you was pissing themselves when you started talking about 'shafts' back at 19:30 😂😂😂😂
As for the chooks you need to put the camera 📸 on the feeder. The girls are only going to play if it gets filmed
Whoohooo got my T-shirts today, now i am a real Dangar Marine tech when working on my boat 😎😎
Thanks for supporting the channel!
Been wearing my hoodie for years and people still ask "what's danger machine"?
ITS DANGAR MARINE!
Great video mate. Thank you so much. I pray I will need kill an engine like that .like that hair cut mate .I didn’t recognize you
Thanks Joe. :)
two stroke cranks usually have to be split for bearing replacement using a hydraulic press. Its the reassembly that can be tricky cause if you have it out even a tiny amount(less than half a degree) the runout can be over spec. IF your lucky the only bearings that need replacing are on the outside of crankshaft and not the middle ones.
To be honest its easier and quicker to bring it to a shop that specializes in crank rebuilding, and depending on model, just trade in for another. $100 to $200 and your back home putting engine back together with NEW crank seals!
It's definitely a very tricky process getting a 2 stroke crank back together properly. Even worse than the engine alignment.
Some of the multi cylinder ones have a single piece crank and 'broken' big end caps, made by snapping the rod so that they fit together without a gap. Needle rollers run directly against the rod. No alignment needed!
Is there such a thing as a "rescue chicken"? I'm thinking you should add another mature member to the D Squad. Hmmm?
There sure is. Plenty get to the end of their career as battery hens and need much better homes than they have had in the past.
Sorta surprised that Yamaha made a twin-carburetor 25 h.p., I've had 4 that I've owned and serviced through the past 16 of 34 years doing outboard service. Johnson and Evinrude also made a single carburetor 40 h.p. work-twin model commercial motor, that was designed with clammers/fishermen in mind! The lower unit was made with a split-casting design, so that the guy using the motor could make major repairs including replacing internal gears/clutchdog etc.! Also the carburetor was very simple and so was the ignition system! Eventually the company phased out the work-twin and just made the twin-carburetor 40 h.p. looper design and eliminated the crossflow design motor.
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You're a great lad to try to lend a hand. Having said that, there was abuse, neglect and ..idiocy? But I don't know the details of the sinking. and that has been rotting away for all that time. I hate to see it. I know I know I shouldn't judge but......
It goes to show you should do regular maintenance
Great advertisement for Yamaha outboards. They are hard to kill like a Toyota Hilux. Wish I had your knowledge great work.
Thanks my friend...The last Bass Boat l had was a 21 foot Norris Craft with an Johnson Outboard tricked out V8 chopper prop, hydraulic jack plat...That was back in the early 1980's telling my age here a little lol...Take care my friend down under....! TEACHING MISS DAISY....
Sounds like a beast!
@@DangarMarine It was many years ago now....l am 81 years now..Thanks
Man, I get dizzy fussin on a motor whilst bobbin around like that.
Who knows... Maybe she was run on Yamaha's specified 100 to 1... LMFAO...! But sounds like she's just a parts motor now...
Ok, the ending got me confused...Seems like the recommendation from your mate is to just forget about pulling it apart and move on, but the customer wants it done anyway??
An outboard video. I feel like I have travelled back in time to 2BR (Before Renko)
LOL, I like that. :)
i see that they also have a similar ripoff in Australia as well;
it's the Bastard Shifter vs the Water Displacement bullcrap ,and i'll bet none of them does what it says lol
Stu, How many tools have you dropped overboard. I keep thinking "oh no, don't drop that!"
yes working in this condition above the water, is intresting for your tools.....
Hell I will run it with 10% fatter on oil until it won't run any more. Spark plugs are cheap.
Sure, can up the oil a bit no problem.
Really love your work Stu. As always, very informative and entertaining.
I love how you have a floating mobile workshop now!! i remember when these types of videos were everyday you have come a long way my friend......
Thanks mate. I am really enjoying being able to work on the boats from Renko. Much easier than lugging everything up the hill.
Reminds me of a blue band Mercury 70HP I tried to resuscitate. Took me a while to realize I was throwing good money after bad.
Norm's a good bloke. I love a good soapie or sitcom crossover. I'm not sure which one this is.
Bit of both I think. ;)
Great vid Stu, love the refresher on the 2 strokes, always learn a little something from your outboard vids!
Glad you enjoyed it
I suspect that Daffy is actually quite smart. Daffy waits for Daisy to do the work, and watches, while Daisy goes in circles not really having a plan. When Daisy has almost by accident made a find, Daffy jumps in. Great video about the outboard btw. I am always keen to learn about small engines. I think you enjoy sharing your knowledge, Stu.
Hmmm. Daffy is black, Daisy is white, no? Like the WB and Disney characters, respectively? Seems to me you have them reversed. Or maybe I'm reading too much into random chicken behavior...seems to me Daffy is the aggressively active one while Daisy hangs back.
Yes, Daffy definitely rules the roost.
@@MargaretLeber Yes, I got the names mixed up.
now I dont know what I am talking about but I watch videos about people using all electric motors and the repairs look very simple and easier to find where the break is. I watch video of people replacing their engines with all electric and everything fits in a smaller space. perhaps its a style choice or a money choice. I dont know but I do think that most people can learn how to find where a break in the circuits are.
The big trouble with electric boats around here is that people tie to public wharves so access to power to recharge is tricky.
2-stroke no oil = piston and jug set to me. Worked for a rental company. One of the part time employees [I named him Paperweight] sent out a chainsaw with straight gas, when the customer brought it back Paperweight thought it needed a carb adjustment so he gave the customer the other chainsaw, the customer still had the same gas can. On the up side the older Makita were easy to swap piston/jugs.
G'Day Stew
The red terra's bottom needs a bit of a clean .
Cheers Rory
It sure does! Sunday would be good if you are free.
I picked up an old 1990-ish Johnson 30HP last summer. I learn so much from this channel. Thanks for showing so many situations and fixes for motors that are the same or very similar to mine.
...my God...get the Shifty Bastard or Shift ya Bastard ....Boston... on Amazon and make them a million !! : )