Very little is quite so enjoyable as picking on Me 262's with props, but one of them is picking on Me 262's with a mate who is also flying a prop. I hope you enjoy!
@@bluthammer1442 I dont have track IR so to be competitive id be slaughtered. Id love to get into DCS by the amount of learning you have to just to get the plane off the ground is awesome but abit much for me atm.
6.3-7.7 WT sim is actually very fun i've enjoyed my time so far in it giving it a another shot. It seems the super props and low tier jets work very well.
Well the HMD is being a bit of a bastard but im hoping that will be sorted soon. The new PC is nothing short of astounding. CP2077 on ultra, RT on and a stable frame rate of over 60 at all times is stunningly beautiful. Really need to do that playthrough though I think I may be a little late to the party on it.
@@MagzGTV Hmd is still new to the world wide scale market so I wouldnt start expecting miracle just yet but I'm glad to hear that the rest is blowing your mind haha
Is Sim EC very playable in terms of balance just now? I haven't played War Thunder in a while and the general atmosphere on the Reddit gives me the impression the balance is the most broken it's ever been, but this video seemed pretty fun.
Sim EC works in blocks rather than in BR ranges. So this block is around 6.3 to 7.7 maximum. No matter what happens you will never face an aircraft above 7.7 which is meteor and 262 territory. It's a nice block for late war air combat without having to worry about being up tiered to missiles if that's not what you are in the mood for.
Just a quick one, I believe your kangaroo's feet (on your RAAF roundel) should be facing outwards on your wings, not inwards. They should be right way up for enemy, not for pilot. EDIT: Wait, just looked at my course photos, they're indeed feet-inwards. My bad, you've applied them correctly here.
I noticed that in VR you fly very near the ground, but in realistic battles, you generally flew pretty high up consistently, diving down for attacks and then at some point climbing back up again. Why the different tactics?
In RB you have markers and a 3rd person camera, Markers remove the ability to use any sneeky air combat tactics as once you get within a certain range a big red box pops up over you that tells the enemy your name, your aircrafts name, your exact location and your range. the 3rd person camera allows the player to look in pretty much every direction around the aircraft without blind spots. This is why RB is always a race to altitude, it's the only position that gives a reliable advantage when taking the markers and situational awareness offered by the 3d camera into account. In sim your just a black dot, no marker, no range, no name or info. in addition you are limited to a cockpit view which significantly limits your view in several directions including down and back with below and behind being impossible to see on some aircraft. Flying low masking your black dot against dark green trees and then doing pop up attacks from below an enemy in there blind spot is both a real air combat tactic and a reliable one in game once the players are all limited in vision by the nature of sim.
Not to mention that by its very nature, the "meta" sustains itself. There is little point climbing above 3000m in sim because not only you don't get as big an advantage as in RB, but also there is simply nothing to do up there since everyone is down on the deck. This does make high altitude a good place to take refuge too sneak around
Flying in vr is super hard for the fact that you have limited vision like real life, I would see myself rolling my eyes into the back of my head cause I was used to the flat screen 3rd person
Imo it's the other way around. VR is easier because you can keep your eyes on the target all the time then bring the plane on target. Way, way easier and faster than 3rd person with a clumsy freelook.
@@remigusker6024 I play in vr, the plane will usually leave my sight in less than a minute, but playing in vr is more enjoyable imo, so it just depends on how you look at it.
For me, its the sensitivity of the controller that throws me off. I have good lead and distance percption, but I can't align myself due to how damn reactive WT is to a small increment to the left/right.
VR controllers? I don't use VR controllers only the headset. VR controllers are the absolute worst things you can use in a flight sim or game because they give you zero feedback on your Inputs. A cheal joystick is better by far, I personally use a full hotas setup specifically for flight simming.
Ah was looking at getting a G2 myself, the specs are very appealing but I've heard less than stellar things about the controller tracking for 'full vr' games. I don't play those often, but I do enjoy them enough ( beat saber and such) that that has me worried some.
I haven't had a single issue with beat saber yet, the controller tracking seems to only be an issue when you play something that has your hands down in the low position (by your sides) for extended periods. Could maybe be an issue in a VR RPG but I haven't played one yet to find out.
@@ForeverDoubting I own an oculus quest. The controllers are tracked through cameras on the had. When the cameras can see the controller, it tracks just fine- totally seamless. Sometimes the controller is obstructed from view of the cameras, or is just out of the tracking zone, and the controller looses tracking, but as long as you look more or less at what you are doing, it works just fine.
So I am confused. Is this another version of Air Realistic battle where it's first person only and no enemy hud names? Or are you just playing at an extreme disadvantage and using thag setup? Also are you using mouse and keyboard or joystick? Forgive my ignorance I love this game and am just curious
This is Sim battle mode, the 3rd battle mode in the game. It features a slightly more advanced FM, first person views only, no markers on enemy aircraft and no mouse aim. In this I'm using Joystick, Throttle and Rudder pedals.
@MagzTV: Can you clarify something for me please? your IAS is stated in mph. would that be landmiles or nautical miles as I seem to remember that traditionally aircraft would use knots as unit for speed, but I do not know whether this is reflected in WT because at one stage you almost had 550mph with would be quite on the highside for a Meteor if it were knots... thanks
@@ltflipper2 thanks I am european and use the metric system anyways, I was just confused as I thought knots are the standard in Imperial UOM for aircraft, but I thought the speed for a Meteor on a slight dive to be unlikely... thanks for pointing out... cheers
@@MagzGTV interesting and thank you, I have only seen videos of sim games and nothing else so was wondering. any chance you could make videos of showing it in different modes??
Hotas.Virpil T-50CM2 Joystick with an Alpha-R Grip, a Winwing Orion Throttle Quadrant and Thrustmaster T.Flight Rudder pedals. Everything I use is listed at the bottom of the video description.
Mainly because it's shit. Flight models are not really much better than WT, Has a $15 a month subscription to play it so basically an enforced premium time system with no benefits, has a perk point system that allows players to drag jets into prop battles that is amazingly worse than WT's BR system and visually it looks like a sim from the mid 2000's. If it was free to play or had a 1 off cost to play I may consider it but I wont pay 15usd ($20+AUD) a month for a worse War Thunder.
Magz, I don't know about others but I I would enjoy watching these VR videos much more, if they looked like normal sim battles or even better, with a "third person view" of the plane. Also, the cam view of you enjoying VR is not adding much more than an unnecessary distraction, at least for my attention span. Otherwise, I'm happy you've found some way to enjoy WT again, as these are the videos I can relate to and enjoy, so I'll keep watching for sure.
I can't make them look like normal sim battles, they are not they are VR, what appears on my screen in VR is a stereoscopic image (I.E two rendered screens) showing my left and rights eye projections in HMD. the normal screen you see when flying on a flat screen doesn't exist to record. While I would like to include more 3rd person camera work getting those external shots can double the time it takes to make the video, I basically have to do everything twice assuming the replay of the battle isn't corrupted to begin with which it often is. I rarely have the time to spend 16 hours to make a 20 minute video anymore and that is about how long it takes. I have a business I'm trying to get started in Covid outside of TH-cam and I have my family and commitments. I put them in when I can but I wouldn't expect them all the time or often, this is just how it is now and I understand not everyone will like it but. . . . can't please everyone. "he cam view of you enjoying VR is not adding much more than an unnecessary distraction" - this I disagree with, and i think it's coming from your point of not liking VR. That camera isn't "Me enjoying VR" that camera is me showing my head movements in the real world in relation to what you are seeing in cockpit. Without it you don't have any reference no how I'm having to move in the real world to generate movements in the space. The new target for this channel is to show VR flight summing and that includes not just what is happening in the HMD.
I really can't understand why, I mean a video is a video, your not strapped into the headset. But fair enough, that sucks but you may as well get used to it here. It's not just that it's great to play, VR has given me my eyesight back, I can see in VR in a way I haven't been able to see with my disability in over ten years. Frankly I don't really care anymore if VR videos bother the eyesight of able bodies people as looking at a flat screen has reached the point where I can not fly a fighter in a sim setting without suffering serious migraines and high levels of eyestrain and even then I die more often that not because I can not see the targets. I'm sure you'll learn to watch it, or you'll unsub because it's not pleasant, but I'm not taking your pleasure in watching a 20 minute video over my ability to see and the pain generated by my disability while making that video for you.
@@MagzGTV Thank you for the explanation, I have a question regarding that, do you special lenses inside the VR-headset to compensate for your eyes? Or is this glasses + headset? I have trouble with WT on screens as well and I would love to try out if that makes it playable again.... I have an Oculus sitting around unused anyway
Very little is quite so enjoyable as picking on Me 262's with props, but one of them is picking on Me 262's with a mate who is also flying a prop.
I hope you enjoy!
probably answered this 1000x already but what is your current pc setup/specs?
@@zeroegopaintball Click the bottom of the video description :)
What game mode is that,
Glad to see you giving our the always forgotton sim community some love.
come to dcs or il2
@@bluthammer1442 I dont have track IR so to be competitive id be slaughtered. Id love to get into DCS by the amount of learning you have to just to get the plane off the ground is awesome but abit much for me atm.
@@shane8511 dont do sims myself, but a fair few of my mates do. Im more of a vanilla Air RB player on WT. Love watching the sim games - proper sport
6.3-7.7 WT sim is actually very fun i've enjoyed my time so far in it giving it a another shot. It seems the super props and low tier jets work very well.
Ah, the Tempest! Very good! 😄
I had my first vr wt flight yesterday and it looks much better than what videos can show to us. It is amazing.
An RAAF "Le Grand Charles" 😉
I loved this plane back in Aces High II; absolutely flew the crap out of my brit planes, but especially this one.
Nice flying and an amazing piece of kit.
How much was your pc setup in total? It sounds amazing and this video is mind blowing!! Keep them coming!!
What a graceful pilot
Keep the war thunder videos coming 👍
Great work nice flying.
I want vr JUST for this
it must feel SO GOOD flying!
Oh how I envy you, gaijin claimed the PSVR would work with WT, still waiting, soon been 5 years now and dont think it will happen..
I have heard of there being a program that can allow a pc to use psvr so it isn’t impossible
Very interesting... You may have convinced to save for a VR set!
The tempest always seems under appreciated. How's your new set up working out for you?
Well the HMD is being a bit of a bastard but im hoping that will be sorted soon. The new PC is nothing short of astounding.
CP2077 on ultra, RT on and a stable frame rate of over 60 at all times is stunningly beautiful. Really need to do that playthrough though I think I may be a little late to the party on it.
@@MagzGTV Hmd is still new to the world wide scale market so I wouldnt start expecting miracle just yet but I'm glad to hear that the rest is blowing your mind haha
So is there a possibility of marked SIM returning?
Yes' 'm probably going to run once on my Discord in the near future.
Is Sim EC very playable in terms of balance just now? I haven't played War Thunder in a while and the general atmosphere on the Reddit gives me the impression the balance is the most broken it's ever been, but this video seemed pretty fun.
In the BR range we were playing this night, yes it was very playable. We seemed to have some fairly evenly matched teams
You answered your own question... "Reddit"
Sim EC works in blocks rather than in BR ranges. So this block is around 6.3 to 7.7 maximum. No matter what happens you will never face an aircraft above 7.7 which is meteor and 262 territory. It's a nice block for late war air combat without having to worry about being up tiered to missiles if that's not what you are in the mood for.
Thanks guys. Now I just need to get gud enough to actually play Sim :V
Man how do you aim so well
Past few videos, it seem the biggest killer of Magz is self inflicted and not enough rivets in the wings.
Just a quick one, I believe your kangaroo's feet (on your RAAF roundel) should be facing outwards on your wings, not inwards. They should be right way up for enemy, not for pilot.
EDIT: Wait, just looked at my course photos, they're indeed feet-inwards. My bad, you've applied them correctly here.
Imagine dive bombing in vr
No need to imagine, I do it regularly.
@@MagzGTV do you do horizontal or do pristine like I do
May I ask what vr headset you are using
Looks good in be will have to see how hp g2 looks
ok i gotta play this game, this shit looks cool
how do you get first person in vr? im always in third person
is it worth buying a VR and a full joystick set??
I noticed that in VR you fly very near the ground, but in realistic battles, you generally flew pretty high up consistently, diving down for attacks and then at some point climbing back up again. Why the different tactics?
In RB you have markers and a 3rd person camera, Markers remove the ability to use any sneeky air combat tactics as once you get within a certain range a big red box pops up over you that tells the enemy your name, your aircrafts name, your exact location and your range. the 3rd person camera allows the player to look in pretty much every direction around the aircraft without blind spots. This is why RB is always a race to altitude, it's the only position that gives a reliable advantage when taking the markers and situational awareness offered by the 3d camera into account.
In sim your just a black dot, no marker, no range, no name or info. in addition you are limited to a cockpit view which significantly limits your view in several directions including down and back with below and behind being impossible to see on some aircraft. Flying low masking your black dot against dark green trees and then doing pop up attacks from below an enemy in there blind spot is both a real air combat tactic and a reliable one in game once the players are all limited in vision by the nature of sim.
@@MagzGTV Interesting. Thanks!
Not to mention that by its very nature, the "meta" sustains itself. There is little point climbing above 3000m in sim because not only you don't get as big an advantage as in RB, but also there is simply nothing to do up there since everyone is down on the deck.
This does make high altitude a good place to take refuge too sneak around
Flying in vr is super hard for the fact that you have limited vision like real life, I would see myself rolling my eyes into the back of my head cause I was used to the flat screen 3rd person
Imo it's the other way around. VR is easier because you can keep your eyes on the target all the time then bring the plane on target. Way, way easier and faster than 3rd person with a clumsy freelook.
@@remigusker6024 I play in vr, the plane will usually leave my sight in less than a minute, but playing in vr is more enjoyable imo, so it just depends on how you look at it.
For me, its the sensitivity of the controller that throws me off. I have good lead and distance percption, but I can't align myself due to how damn reactive WT is to a small increment to the left/right.
I just feel that magz and spit are the same person...
Spotting planes is just stupid easy with a VR headset in WT. Those huge dots are like cheating.
How did you set to make it compatible with VR , I try to use VR sticks but not working well
VR controllers? I don't use VR controllers only the headset. VR controllers are the absolute worst things you can use in a flight sim or game because they give you zero feedback on your Inputs.
A cheal joystick is better by far, I personally use a full hotas setup specifically for flight simming.
not sure why we need mouth cam with these VR video's
I'm showing the Head movements in VR vs the movements in game.
Figured that would be obvious.
Ah was looking at getting a G2 myself, the specs are very appealing but I've heard less than stellar things about the controller tracking for 'full vr' games. I don't play those often, but I do enjoy them enough ( beat saber and such) that that has me worried some.
I haven't had a single issue with beat saber yet, the controller tracking seems to only be an issue when you play something that has your hands down in the low position (by your sides) for extended periods. Could maybe be an issue in a VR RPG but I haven't played one yet to find out.
@@MagzGTV thanks for the input!
@@ForeverDoubting I own an oculus quest. The controllers are tracked through cameras on the had. When the cameras can see the controller, it tracks just fine- totally seamless. Sometimes the controller is obstructed from view of the cameras, or is just out of the tracking zone, and the controller looses tracking, but as long as you look more or less at what you are doing, it works just fine.
So I am confused. Is this another version of Air Realistic battle where it's first person only and no enemy hud names? Or are you just playing at an extreme disadvantage and using thag setup? Also are you using mouse and keyboard or joystick? Forgive my ignorance I love this game and am just curious
This is Sim battle mode, the 3rd battle mode in the game. It features a slightly more advanced FM, first person views only, no markers on enemy aircraft and no mouse aim. In this I'm using Joystick, Throttle and Rudder pedals.
Magz, do you fly sim with a joystick/pedals or with mouse/keyboard like air RB? Just curious
Full HOTAS in VR.
@MagzTV: Can you clarify something for me please? your IAS is stated in mph. would that be landmiles or nautical miles as I seem to remember that traditionally aircraft would use knots as unit for speed, but I do not know whether this is reflected in WT because at one stage you almost had 550mph with would be quite on the highside for a Meteor if it were knots... thanks
I'm fairly sure WT has a separate option for knots, so it'll be landmiles per hour
@@ltflipper2 thanks I am european and use the metric system anyways, I was just confused as I thought knots are the standard in Imperial UOM for aircraft, but I thought the speed for a Meteor on a slight dive to be unlikely... thanks for pointing out... cheers
What happened there where your Meteor was in an apparent spin? Did you break something? I couldn't tell for certain.
Have you used a GPU before this because I am worried about my 1080 running this
When you get on there through steamVR, do you use your controllers in vr? Or is it just your keyboard and headset?
Keyboard and mouse, controllers have no support in war thunder
doing research on VR games, wondering is VR restricted to SIM or can you use it in RB and AB
You can use VR in any mode, it's just a way of displaying the game.
@@MagzGTV interesting and thank you, I have only seen videos of sim games and nothing else so was wondering. any chance you could make videos of showing it in different modes??
What u using controller or kb n m what your setup
Hotas.Virpil T-50CM2 Joystick with an Alpha-R Grip, a Winwing Orion Throttle Quadrant and Thrustmaster T.Flight Rudder pedals.
Everything I use is listed at the bottom of the video description.
Are you using mouse and keyboard?
In Sim EC while flying VR? No, Full HOTAS, exact hardware is listed in the vireo description.
Where to download this for vr?
Can I use Quest2 to play war thunther ?
Yep
Why dont you play Aces High III VR?
Mainly because it's shit.
Flight models are not really much better than WT, Has a $15 a month subscription to play it so basically an enforced premium time system with no benefits, has a perk point system that allows players to drag jets into prop battles that is amazingly worse than WT's BR system and visually it looks like a sim from the mid 2000's.
If it was free to play or had a 1 off cost to play I may consider it but I wont pay 15usd ($20+AUD) a month for a worse War Thunder.
what vr are you using?
HP Reverb G2
Id this pc?
Magz, I don't know about others but I I would enjoy watching these VR videos much more, if they looked like normal sim battles or even better, with a "third person view" of the plane. Also, the cam view of you enjoying VR is not adding much more than an unnecessary distraction, at least for my attention span. Otherwise, I'm happy you've found some way to enjoy WT again, as these are the videos I can relate to and enjoy, so I'll keep watching for sure.
I can't make them look like normal sim battles, they are not they are VR, what appears on my screen in VR is a stereoscopic image (I.E two rendered screens) showing my left and rights eye projections in HMD. the normal screen you see when flying on a flat screen doesn't exist to record.
While I would like to include more 3rd person camera work getting those external shots can double the time it takes to make the video, I basically have to do everything twice assuming the replay of the battle isn't corrupted to begin with which it often is. I rarely have the time to spend 16 hours to make a 20 minute video anymore and that is about how long it takes.
I have a business I'm trying to get started in Covid outside of TH-cam and I have my family and commitments.
I put them in when I can but I wouldn't expect them all the time or often, this is just how it is now and I understand not everyone will like it but. . . . can't please everyone.
"he cam view of you enjoying VR is not adding much more than an unnecessary distraction" - this I disagree with, and i think it's coming from your point of not liking VR.
That camera isn't "Me enjoying VR" that camera is me showing my head movements in the real world in relation to what you are seeing in cockpit. Without it you don't have any reference no how I'm having to move in the real world to generate movements in the space.
The new target for this channel is to show VR flight summing and that includes not just what is happening in the HMD.
@@MagzGTV Thanks for the reply and I wish you all the best in your endeavors, Magz. You're a very cool dude, as far as I know.
I'm sure the VR is great to play, but as a viewer it gives me eye problems, so it is not pleasent for me to watch.
I really can't understand why, I mean a video is a video, your not strapped into the headset. But fair enough, that sucks but you may as well get used to it here.
It's not just that it's great to play, VR has given me my eyesight back, I can see in VR in a way I haven't been able to see with my disability in over ten years. Frankly I don't really care anymore if VR videos bother the eyesight of able bodies people as looking at a flat screen has reached the point where I can not fly a fighter in a sim setting without suffering serious migraines and high levels of eyestrain and even then I die more often that not because I can not see the targets.
I'm sure you'll learn to watch it, or you'll unsub because it's not pleasant, but I'm not taking your pleasure in watching a 20 minute video over my ability to see and the pain generated by my disability while making that video for you.
@@MagzGTV Thank you for the explanation, I have a question regarding that, do you special lenses inside the VR-headset to compensate for your eyes? Or is this glasses + headset? I have trouble with WT on screens as well and I would love to try out if that makes it playable again.... I have an Oculus sitting around unused anyway
@@MagzGTV Never said I was unsubing, lol.
facecam is kinda pointless for this
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