you almost always have the best videos out here.And fair comparisons.You might would have had a more FAIR one . But with the 7SAUM having a 30 in. barrel and the 6.5PRC having the short 22 or 24 in. barrel.And ( I cant remember what you said)its pretty much stacked against the 6.5PRC..I own both.With the 7SAUM shooting a 150 ELDX and the 6.5 PRC 143 ELDX I think would be a fair challenge.I may try it since I have both in 30 inch Bartlein Barrels.I could be wrong.Either way the 7 saum is the best round or the F-Class guys would not be necking up a 6.5PRC to a 7PRC Wheeler. I did see Erik Cortina did a Video on 7SAUM vs 7 PRC-Wheeler
That is an absolutely anemic load for the prc.. hornady shows 3150fps as their max load with rl26 and a 142gr bullet.. 3050fps with a 147gr bullet.. the 156gr berger is the bullet of choice for the prc with its high bc and berger even offers factory ammo with that at 2960fps.. this isn't a fair comparison
Love your videos! Backfire TV has a recoil chart of MANY cartridges if you ever need a reference for your future videos. Thanks for all the knowledge you share.
It's great information. What if you compared similar weight and bullet. Like a 1:42 grain 6.5 PRC versus a 140 grain 7 mm. Or even a 150 grain 7 mm bullet
Gotta say think you went a bit light on that PRC bullet. The BC on that is a pretty damn big jump DOwn versus the 150 gr. They offer. The jump from the best Saum BC to the 2nd isn’t nearly as much of a difference, plus the fact that it’s not linear, makes the whole comparison coming up light given my 2 cents. I know you will always have guys bitching , so thought I should add my bitch to it....). I have 1000 rounds thru mine, and can smoke that 1000 yard drop by a massive difference loading up to max shooting 147-156 gr. Then the BC gets up to the high sixties like that rifle was meant to shoot. That Sierra bullet just doesn’t have the profile as quite a few other slicker bullets out there for just a marginal increase weight. I have been throwing out 147s at over 3000 and 156 Berger’s right on the nose of 3k. The 147 hornady would have been another good comp to use, while It’s not maxing out the PRC weight capacity, it’s still a significantly slicker bullet than the plain Jane Sierra 150. Just my take on it, and thanks a lot for the time on the video. Cheers
Excellent review. Here is my Savage 6.5 PRC with 30" barrel can do Berger 153.5gr LRHT un der 57gr of N565 at 2.950", MV 3115 fps @ 1000 yards Elevation: 20.4 MOA U, Wind: 4.7 MOA per 10mph, Velocity: 1886 fps, Energy: 1216 ft.lb
I think you are going a little light only using 52.6 grains of RL26 in in the 6.5 Prc and need to do more load development. Hornady list this weight bullet with a max of 57 grains using RL26 and that is a published load. The 147 grain match loads they sell are listed at 2910 fps on the box.
Yes I agree. The published data for Sierra is a little conservative but when I checked hodgdon data it wS right in line with Sierra so for purposes of the video I use the same sources each time
I like your video. I would have liked to see a comparison using bullets a little closer in weight. I know if you were using a 140 gr bullet in the 7mm SAUM, it would smoke the PRC in velocity. Thanks again!
I was looking into a 6.5PRC when I stumbled on the 7SAUM then 7ShermanShort. Ultimately I went with the 7SS since like you said I would most likely have to hand load. It has been fun and I have spent the past 3 Sunday evenings at the range working up a mild for a class I am taking in Sept. THEN I can start working up a hunting load for next year. Most likely going with Berger 195 and RL26 or H1000.
Those are some fantastic powder choices. Another one to check out is h4831sc or plain h4831. You won't get the same velocities but I get some really wide accurate nodes with it
@@gunfather83 I would lean on RL26 except for temp stability. That is the only reason I think I will end up with H1000. I would certainly appreciate input. Again the purpose of the load is Elk hunting out West.
What about a comparison of 7 SAUM vs 7 PRC. Was getting ready to build a 7 SAUM when word of the 7 PRC started floating around so I’ve been sitting on my hands try to make an educated decision. I’m a hunter not a competition shooter looking for a one rifle does most set up. Mostly bow hunt but have a few buddies that rifle hunt so I’m interested in spring black bears,mule deer ,and late season elk. Just curious on your thoughts. I know you’re a 7 SAUM guy .
Yeah you can get a better velocity out of your PRC. I'm getting 3010 from factory loaded 143 eldx. Thinking about getting a 7 saum or 300 wsm barrel for elk. Love my PRC but it's definitely more of a deer gun.
@@gunfather83 yea the 6XC has proven its self for us here at Panther Hollow. We have tested and used the heck out of a few of our builds. I am looking to build a XLR riffle and that's why I asked about the 30XC. Thanks buddy!
I doubt it. I would think that even with a rebated rim and fatter case the .284 would still be a thinner case than the WSM. Just a guess as the 284 was designed to compete with the 270 but in a short action case to chamber in the Win 88 and 100.
You hit the nail on the head when a company gets behind there product an pushing on yhe shooting world people go crazy for it look at 6 creed ya don't see or hear to much about it anymore
I noticed that in the last year. 6.5 CM to 6 CM and now to 6 ARC. Hornady supports their products and doesn’t wait for gun scribes to sell them for them.
Oh sorry it's a 1 in 8. I have has no issues stabilizing even the 197s in the 8 twist but I will say out at the extreme distances beyond a mile the 197s start to loose stability
I know I have already made a few comments about the low data on the PRC, but damn Sierras data is so low I swore the first time i saw it that it was a misprint: I have a Sierra book saying 50 grains is my max and Hornady says 55 gr. (They did make the cartridge...) oh that’s 4831 powder. Damn that’s a big difference. I am used to seeing different numbers but not a spread like this. I have a 26 inch barrel and usually get a bit more than Hornady book and WAY more than Sierra, like 300-350 Plus FPS more. How can that be? Glad I didn’t just blindly follow their data when I first got the rifle
So the 6.5 PRC is only good to 500 yards for elk. Don’t they want 1500 pounds of energy and at least 1800 ft./s on a bullet so that it all expand correctly. The .284 cal just has the best combination of weight, FPS, and bc for hunting and target shooting. It may be more expensive to shoot trailer for targets, if you can play these games cost should be the last of your concerns.
The 6.5 CM is garbage. 7 SAUM is what you have your 6.5 CM re-barrelled to because it is a true short action. 7 SAUM is the best hunting Cartridge for North America as long as brown bear and bison are excluded. For those I think the 300 WSM provides a good short action option as long as the feed ramps are good. 6.5 PRC is too long for some short actions and is that no mans land of medium actions. This and the fact that 30 cal and 7 mm produce a better wound channel make 6.5 PRC a tier below.
What exactly is the very good reason for a 30° shoulder angle? The purpose of sharp shoulder angle was originally to get more powder in an existing case. The original purpose had nothing to do with accuracy. They say that it slows down case stretching which I have yet to see verified. A Sharp shoulder prevents the brass from springing back after being fired especially a 40° shoulder. Which contributes to the cases sticking in the chamber. Sharp shoulder angles on the shoulder also are not conducive to smooth feeding out of a magazine. There have in reality been plenty of cartridges exhibit just as much accuracy with a shoulder angle less than 30 degrees. So what is the reason for a 30-degree shoulder other than it is a religious belief that people believe it Works to solve all the mysteries of the universe?
Gun nuts have many religious beliefs that bend the laws of physics. When I was 12 I was told that round nose slow bullets “plow” through brush. I asked what would plow through obstacles better, a slow moving train or the same train moving fast? The instructor just stared at me with a confused look on his face. It’s the first time I saw cognitive dissonance.
@@mrjeffjob the best way to hit something is to not hit any brush that's for sure. If the brush you shoot through is relatively close to the deer there is a chance that the bullet can still hit the deer. Whereas if the bullet hits brush closer to the shooter it has more time to get off course. And then you need a bullet that doesn't get destroyed by hitting a tree branch. This 30° shoulder business has become some sort of accuracy scripture. Reality is that is just wishful thinking that really has nothing to do with accuracy or case stretch. Sharper shoulder angles came into existence to try to get more powder in a case to make the bullet go faster in a shorter package.
I enjoy my 7wsm. Had it out to 2500 yards and my prc to 2000 yards.... love em both. I need another ....
you almost always have the best videos out here.And fair comparisons.You might would have had a more FAIR one . But with the 7SAUM having a 30 in. barrel and the 6.5PRC having the short 22 or 24 in. barrel.And ( I cant remember what you said)its pretty much stacked against the 6.5PRC..I own both.With the 7SAUM shooting a 150 ELDX and the 6.5 PRC 143 ELDX I think would be a fair challenge.I may try it since I have both in 30 inch Bartlein Barrels.I could be wrong.Either way the 7 saum is the best round or the F-Class guys would not be necking up a 6.5PRC to a 7PRC Wheeler. I did see Erik Cortina did a Video on 7SAUM vs 7 PRC-Wheeler
That is an absolutely anemic load for the prc.. hornady shows 3150fps as their max load with rl26 and a 142gr bullet.. 3050fps with a 147gr bullet.. the 156gr berger is the bullet of choice for the prc with its high bc and berger even offers factory ammo with that at 2960fps.. this isn't a fair comparison
Love your videos! Backfire TV has a recoil chart of MANY cartridges if you ever need a reference for your future videos. Thanks for all the knowledge you share.
Let’s see 300 WSM make it’s debut
I’d like to see 7 Saum versus 7 mm PRC
It's great information. What if you compared similar weight and bullet. Like a 1:42 grain 6.5 PRC versus a 140 grain 7 mm. Or even a 150 grain 7 mm bullet
Gotta say think you went a bit light on that PRC bullet. The BC on that is a pretty damn big jump DOwn versus the 150 gr. They offer. The jump from the best Saum BC to the 2nd isn’t nearly as much of a difference, plus the fact that it’s not linear, makes the whole comparison coming up light given my 2 cents. I know you will always have guys bitching , so thought I should add my bitch to it....). I have 1000 rounds thru mine, and can smoke that 1000 yard drop by a massive difference loading up to max shooting 147-156 gr. Then the BC gets up to the high sixties like that rifle was meant to shoot. That Sierra bullet just doesn’t have the profile as quite a few other slicker bullets out there for just a marginal increase weight. I have been throwing out 147s at over 3000 and 156 Berger’s right on the nose of 3k. The 147 hornady would have been another good comp to use, while
It’s not maxing out the PRC weight capacity, it’s still a significantly slicker bullet than the plain Jane Sierra 150. Just my take on it, and thanks a lot for the time on the video. Cheers
I agree.
Excellent review.
Here is my Savage 6.5 PRC with 30" barrel can do
Berger 153.5gr LRHT un der 57gr of N565 at 2.950", MV 3115 fps
@ 1000 yards Elevation: 20.4 MOA U, Wind: 4.7 MOA per 10mph, Velocity: 1886 fps, Energy: 1216 ft.lb
Thank you. Yeah I think Sierras data is a little conservative for the 6.5 prc
30in barrel pushing at that speed only? Wow. I thpught id be faster..waay faster
@@mryaj0095 6.5 PRC is a short magnum
@@YERAFirearms so between 6.5 prc and 6.5 saum, whos faster?is that a fair comparison? Im all about speed...
@@mryaj0095
6.5 SAUM has a larger case capacity (+4gr)
Same bullet(144 Match Burner), powder (H1000) load ratio 103%
6.5 SAUM has +58 fps of MV
I think you are going a little light only using 52.6 grains of RL26 in in the 6.5 Prc and need to do more load development. Hornady list this weight bullet with a max of 57 grains using RL26 and that is a published load. The 147 grain match loads they sell are listed at 2910 fps on the box.
Yes I agree. The published data for Sierra is a little conservative but when I checked hodgdon data it wS right in line with Sierra so for purposes of the video I use the same sources each time
He is a biased flog. I have run the 147 eldm at 3150 in my PRC. Absolute goose
I like your video. I would have liked to see a comparison using bullets a little closer in weight. I know if you were using a 140 gr bullet in the 7mm SAUM, it would smoke the PRC in velocity. Thanks again!
I was looking into a 6.5PRC when I stumbled on the 7SAUM then 7ShermanShort. Ultimately I went with the 7SS since like you said I would most likely have to hand load. It has been fun and I have spent the past 3 Sunday evenings at the range working up a mild for a class I am taking in Sept. THEN I can start working up a hunting load for next year. Most likely going with Berger 195 and RL26 or H1000.
Those are some fantastic powder choices. Another one to check out is h4831sc or plain h4831. You won't get the same velocities but I get some really wide accurate nodes with it
@@gunfather83 I would lean on RL26 except for temp stability. That is the only reason I think I will end up with H1000. I would certainly appreciate input. Again the purpose of the load is Elk hunting out West.
The SS is better paired with 175 EHs than any bullet. It’s a tad slow with 195s.
What about a comparison of 7 SAUM vs 7 PRC. Was getting ready to build a 7 SAUM when word of the 7 PRC started floating around so I’ve been sitting on my hands try to make an educated decision. I’m a hunter not a competition shooter looking for a one rifle does most set up. Mostly bow hunt but have a few buddies that rifle hunt so I’m interested in spring black bears,mule deer ,and late season elk. Just curious on your thoughts. I know you’re a 7 SAUM guy .
Nostalgia cartridges for hunting:
270 wm, 7 RM, 416 Rigby, 416 RM,
404 Jeffrey, 375 H&H
25 inch barrels.
Optimisation cartridges:
300WSM, 6.5x47 Lapua,
6.8 Western (165g Nosler Accubond)
27 Nosler & 28 Nosler
300 Norma
26 inch barrel
Ya got throw it 300PRC some where...lol
I know they’re pretty damn close but have you looked into the 7mm Sherman max vs the 7mm SAUM?
Yeah you can get a better velocity out of your PRC. I'm getting 3010 from factory loaded 143 eldx.
Thinking about getting a 7 saum or 300 wsm barrel for elk. Love my PRC but it's definitely more of a deer gun.
Bring more new videos we miss you bro
So with the 7mm PRC now out, is a 7mm SAUM with a long action still worth for ELR? does the SAUM use that extra 8gr of powder capacity?
Can you covert a 7 mag to 7 saum?
I know his is old, but with the advent of the new 7mm prc, any thoughts of rechambering the tikka in that?
Great Video buddy! do you have any experience with the 30XC?
Thank you. No I do not. I do have with 6 xc but not 30.
@@gunfather83
yea the 6XC has proven its self for us here at Panther Hollow. We have tested and used the heck out of a few of our builds. I am looking to build a XLR riffle and that's why I asked about the 30XC. Thanks buddy!
What’s the closest cartridge that I can buy off the shelf to a 6.5 saum
I’m getting a R700 in 7mm rem mag barreled action to build. Do I shoot the original barrel or just switch it out? Keep it 7mm or what do you think?
7mm and never look back. You will be satisfied. ...
Nice !
I love your comparison video. Would 7wsm and 284 be a good comparison
Yes it might be. I'll have to look at them and see if they would make a good comparison and where the similarities and difference are
I doubt it. I would think that even with a rebated rim and fatter case the .284 would still be a thinner case than the WSM. Just a guess as the 284 was designed to compete with the 270 but in a short action case to chamber in the Win 88 and 100.
Thanks
You hit the nail on the head when a company gets behind there product an pushing on yhe shooting world people go crazy for it look at 6 creed ya don't see or hear to much about it anymore
Yes definitely
I noticed that in the last year. 6.5 CM to 6 CM and now to 6 ARC. Hornady supports their products and doesn’t wait for gun scribes to sell them for them.
If you don't mind me asking... which Barrel are you running??? And what twist rate???
It's a 30" McGowan shouldered prefit
@@gunfather83 what twist rate are you running for the seven Saum???
Oh sorry it's a 1 in 8. I have has no issues stabilizing even the 197s in the 8 twist but I will say out at the extreme distances beyond a mile the 197s start to loose stability
@@gunfather83 so do I. 🥸
I had a 65 PRC really did like it
🍺🍺🌮🌮
It's a great cartridge and I think the published data on it is a little conservative
@@gunfather83 very conservative lol.
@@matt5203 lol yeah it seemed about 100fps light but both hodgdon and Sierra were in the same ballpark
I know I have already made a few comments about the low data on the PRC, but damn Sierras data is so low I swore the first time i saw it that it was a misprint: I have a Sierra book saying 50 grains is my max and Hornady says 55 gr. (They did make the cartridge...) oh that’s 4831 powder. Damn that’s a big difference. I am used to seeing different numbers but not a spread like this. I have a 26 inch barrel and usually get a bit more than Hornady book and WAY more than Sierra, like 300-350 Plus FPS more. How can that be? Glad I didn’t just blindly follow their data when I first got the rifle
So the 6.5 PRC is only good to 500 yards for elk. Don’t they want 1500 pounds of energy and at least 1800 ft./s on a bullet so that it all expand correctly. The .284 cal just has the best combination of weight, FPS, and bc for hunting and target shooting. It may be more expensive to shoot trailer for targets, if you can play these games cost should be the last of your concerns.
Your obviously not liking the prc , I shoot 153.5 Berger hybrid target at 3010 fps with MRP
Do they have a 6-8 saum or 270??
No I do not. Those are pretty much in the vein of a full wildcat cartridge
Shoulda been 6.5 saum Vs 6.5 prc
Battle of the 300s would be sweet 300 prc, rum, Norma, and win mag with 220, 230, or 245 grain projectiles comparison
I actually have done several of those comparisons here a few months back.
Just like you told me that you did the video I asked for and I've asked you three times now to link the video which you haven't done yet🤷
@@gunfather83 I didn't see them in my feed I'll look back through..
@@rowdybroomstick1216 a little aggressive much? The guy does a lot of research and work for us so a little slack maybe?
You should join our SAUM improved group.
I will do that
6.5 creedmoor magnum is the best for target
Lol this is why China has no chance.
The 6.5 CM is garbage. 7 SAUM is what you have your 6.5 CM re-barrelled to because it is a true short action. 7 SAUM is the best hunting Cartridge for North America as long as brown bear and bison are excluded. For those I think the 300 WSM provides a good short action option as long as the feed ramps are good.
6.5 PRC is too long for some short actions and is that no mans land of medium actions. This and the fact that 30 cal and 7 mm produce a better wound channel make 6.5 PRC a tier below.
What exactly is the very good reason for a 30° shoulder angle? The purpose of sharp shoulder angle was originally to get more powder in an existing case. The original purpose had nothing to do with accuracy. They say that it slows down case stretching which I have yet to see verified. A Sharp shoulder prevents the brass from springing back after being fired especially a 40° shoulder. Which contributes to the cases sticking in the chamber. Sharp shoulder angles on the shoulder also are not conducive to smooth feeding out of a magazine. There have in reality been plenty of cartridges exhibit just as much accuracy with a shoulder angle less than 30 degrees. So what is the reason for a 30-degree shoulder other than it is a religious belief that people believe it Works to solve all the mysteries of the universe?
Gun nuts have many religious beliefs that bend the laws of physics. When I was 12 I was told that round nose slow bullets “plow” through brush. I asked what would plow through obstacles better, a slow moving train or the same train moving fast? The instructor just stared at me with a confused look on his face. It’s the first time I saw cognitive dissonance.
@@mrjeffjob the best way to hit something is to not hit any brush that's for sure. If the brush you shoot through is relatively close to the deer there is a chance that the bullet can still hit the deer. Whereas if the bullet hits brush closer to the shooter it has more time to get off course. And then you need a bullet that doesn't get destroyed by hitting a tree branch. This 30° shoulder business has become some sort of accuracy scripture. Reality is that is just wishful thinking that really has nothing to do with accuracy or case stretch. Sharper shoulder angles came into existence to try to get more powder in a case to make the bullet go faster in a shorter package.
No comparison, except less recoil.
6.5 saum vs 6.5 prc.
That's what u call Even match...
SAUM has more case capacity.
7 Rem SAUM vs 7mm PRC Primal