I used to be one of the Anti electric bike People. I believe i'm coming a believer. Now that I'm seeing people like you guys. And a lot more reviews on this thing. Really starting to like it.
$14,200 for the full 80hp model. Still about $4,000-$5,000 more than a conventional bike. It would be interesting to know the lifespan of the battery and the cost of replacing it. Edit: The battery cost $7,000! Holy shit
These will flop, 80hp is a flat out lie. A ktm 150 would out pace the varg in just minutes. 400 cells and 80 hp would be close to to 200 watts per cell (laughable).
@Dat_Sun you're wrong, it's 80hp at motor just like all factory measurements and 68 rwhp. Very impressive and here to stay not sure why the hate, incredible machine
@@markmcmahen9442 When other manufacturers let's say KTM develop a new technology and release it, like the TBI bikes. We see actual examples of the bike's performing. You see this in the form of racing, hill climbs and endurance. All video of this powerwheel has been on hard packed surfaces for a few minutes at most, jumps are done downhill, and there is a strong following. They regurgitate the same ev propaganda I've heard for almost 50 years now. Nobody is certifying the manufacturers claims. The TH-cam shills hoping to get a good deal on one of these electric toys, will say or do anything for clicks except show a fair comparison. Please consider the taxpayers who are unwillingly taking part in these purchases. And make sure to save for the $7,000 + tax and ship replacement battery.
Things I wonder: What is the torque? Is it fully automatic & what is the final ratio/top speed? Will the battery be field replaceable? Will they offer an actual dash interface, instead of a cell phone interface? What keeps the battery from catching on fire?
Elektrik Throttle is normally constructed that way that if it fails it won’t give any input so there should be not such a thing like stuck throttle unless it’s mechanically an the turning mechanism
I do love myself the electric future. Home with plenty of solar and home batteries for all my usage. Electric truck with charging capability. Electric MX/enduro. Produce all my own power, for my home, car/truck and bike. And be able to run the MX/Enduro in areas where a noisy bike couldnt ride.
I think Yamaha has a copyright on the term “SSS”, so although other KYB forks are essentially the same, Stark can’t call them “SSS”. That’s why he just said “Yes”.
Yes but how much is a new KTM 450? Then add in all the replacement parts for rebuilds over 5 years, 100 octane fuel that cost $10 per gallon here, oil at $10 quart for good stuff, airfilter cleaning every ride the time for all that. I look at maintenance time as lost time from my family, for me what I get paid per hr and add up weekly maintenance it comes to over $90 per week and I ride 8-9 months per year. That adds up plus parts for these expensive 4t bikes. In 2 years the ROI for me for a Stark comes out ahead.
Brother after watching Haskells vids and dyno test it'll be like the 16-19 yr wait you had for the 1st girl you experienced what well you know and then some! I will be putting a down payment on 1 next week when I get paid, I can't effing wait. Check that haskell dudes video they are though and the dyno runs are SiC.
Guys Fyi, I'm thinking this hataer Dot_son is a paid troll for some other mfg. He keeps making false bs statements but hasn't even see the dyno vids from that haskell guy. His arguments are straight outta the troll playbook the trolls use on Breitbart. Just ignore the dude.
Why would you want a clutch that’s one of the main advantages. They even run Hard Enduro without issue. Some Trials variants have a clutch but that’s really the only outside condition. Most ICE riders use the clutch way too much as it is already
@@zaarkeru3391yep, amen. All these haters think everyone who buys ebikes are global warming psychos, just shows how ignorant and backwards thinking they are. Ffs, I bet most of the haters are riding clapped out 2000-2005 2 strokes they only clean their airliners and change their oil after 60hrs of riding in the desert. Ffs. Always gonna be jealous haters as they rider their beat up s#$t boxes that never finish a 15 min moto.
@@zaarkeru3391lol so true, it's funny like myself back in 97 ihated the 4 stroke thing and quit riding mx in 93 or so, got back into mx around 2005 at almost 40, rode a buddy's 05 yz450 and bought 1-3 days later. All the haters will be on 1 in 5-10 yrs. The haters think guys who these are climate warriors and hate fossil fuels, me I could gaf. 2 degrees of global warming won't do crap to the planet. If the polar bears are having trouble swimming the baby harp Seals will assist them getting to an ice flow! They'll Adapt overcome plus I'm 57, I could be dead long before anything happens. Odds are SloJoe Biden will start the wR with put in, chins and we'll all be done.
I used to be into the elec cars, bikes etc. But honestly elec. is junk long run, another throw away piece. Im sticking to engines and leaving electric to RC.
Do you own a 2 stroke? It's blatantly obvious the Stark out performs any mx bike out there, did you see the dyno vid? th-cam.com/video/3KqFZeGwuo8/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
Yeah that’s why KTM and Alta have bikes with over 500 hours with no power plant issues and batteries that operate like day one. Do you realize the cost of the equivalent ICE bike at that point 🤦🏻♂
@@Dat_Sun Nope. I’m going to trust the opinions of the dozens of guys, including current and former pros, who have actually ridden the bike, ALL of whom have said it is faster and handles better than any current production 450.
@@lisaashton2845 How come nobody is showing a real comparison? Only sketchy Dyno measurements, and washed out pro mx shills? What would be so difficult about taking the Stark bike to the quarter mile? Or take maybe a Dyno day where dozens of other motorcycles are measured in front of everybody, Oh that's right it will expose this sham. I live in Kremmling Colorado, we have thousands of acres of BLM land to ride on here. I welcome any e bike or motorcycle owner up here. We have a guest cabin on 20 acres, it's close enough to ride directly to the BLM land. Any electric bike that can outperform my little 250XC in any category gets my other brand new unused tbi 300xc. This is the equivalent of a 12000 bucks up for grabs. All I want is the right to record the outcome and make a video for TH-cam for my other channel. If I win I don't want anything, not trying to take someone's bike. I have been trying for almost 2 years and have been unable to talk anyone into making this short trip up here for a real world electric comparison. The place is called "big horn park" it's amazing, like I said the guest cabin will be extended along with a friendly environment, I love all motorcyclists. Just because I disagree with them on the electric bike does not mean we are worlds apart. We could spend the weekend racing and testing, While spending the evenings enjoying Colorado's perks around the fireplace. I look forward to the day an electric bike outpaces my xc's, but I see no sign of that happening. Oh I almost forgot i have 2 champion 4500 W inverter generators with parallel connect. So we can charge at the blm land. I'll even supply the fuel.
Until the forest starts growing electric plugs generators will need to be used in the forest. Don't tell anyone that I use a Honda 4-Stroke Generator to charge my Electric KTM Freeride E-XC.
Did Marley finally admit he’s gotta vagina now 😂 Nah E bikes are cool I think, i love all dirtbikes. Always great when there’s more of em electric or not. Brandon looks pretty good on one of those things👀
@@zaarkeru3391 I don't see where I said 80 horsepower is 80,000 W here. It would be closer to 65000 W. Maybe it was from a different comment and if so it's obviously a mistake and we both know that. In reality you would need a battery capable of 80000 W to realistically support 80 hp, Using the maximum discharge rating quickly shortens a cell's life or ends in flames. I need the spec sheet from the battery not your wild claims. I've got a lipo (far superior power density and c ratings due to huge surface area of these envelop style cells) sitting right here that says 150 C on it, yes it's advertised as that, but what would happen if I applied a load of 150 C? (Aka like 20,000 watts) It would go up and smoke after the conductors lit up like the filament of a light bulb. Now if I look at the spec sheet provided from the manufacturer it lists the limitations of the c rating. It's quite shocking those ratings are generally for about 1 second, but again there's no certification, so don't hold your breath that you'll even get that much power. The Stark bike feels quick because of its gear reduction box. But like all electric vehicles this initial punch quickly runs out and the roll on performance is miserable. Notice how Stark gives horsepower rating at the motor but torque at the rear wheel? This is because he's using the highest possible measurement methods for each. Not advertising sustained horse power, and they are using geared torque #'s. This is scommy advertising and suggest this company will not be around long once the people realize the reality of a $13,000 power wheel. 80 rwhp would require even more battery to make up for the losses. Every single advertisement for this bike is misleading and over-inflated without proof. TH-cam is showing packs of electric dirt bikes riding around together or a single electric bike on a hard packed bmx style track is hardly proof of its abilities. It seems like every jump is done down hill with these things. I look forward to seeing these in a Hill climb muddy conditions or other real world conditions other than hard packed park land or BMX trails. They get away with these wild claims because none of these are certified by anyone. It's the Wild Wild West of battery advertising days. Other guys here are telling me you can pull over a 150 watts from one of these little cells, that is insane imagine one little tiny cell powering a big hot 150 W incandescent light bulb, It's not happening.. Now, one of those cells will light up an 80 W "equivalent" which is what we're seeing here, made up equivalent numbers. Stark cannot compete pound for pound with ice, so they have to use misleading advertising and TH-cam shills to push the product. A real comparison would be taking that power wheel to the local quarter mile and racing the local ice bikes. Followed by a trip over to the dynamometer for a back-to-back comparison with witnesses and other bikes as a control. Without this we're getting nothing but wild claims to boost pre-order sales of a unbelievably ugly and plastic looking bike. $7000 for a replacement battery that has a shelf life, no matter how carefully you wipe it down every night in your living room, it's degrading. In just a few years you will be looking at a $7000 battery replacement, Assuming lithium prices haven't skyrocketed more than they have.
Do you think dudes who buy ebikes gaf about global warming? Seriously, most give a shit about that, they want the coolest tech and a bike that will holeshot every 4 stroke mxbike out there and out pull any 4 stroke out of every corner and to every corner and have 10% of annual maintenance costs. The global warming propaganda is total bs. Ffs
I am sure the bike works great, and I would probably be smiling if I rode it. Was just poking a little fun about the hypocrisy in the whole EV movement.
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Best is the ending . excellent work..
Part 2 coming lol
@@HighSidedFilmshurrryyy mferrr lets gooooooooo
I just moved to TN and would love to bring my Varg here 😍. So rad to see more people experiencing the bike. It truely is incredible.
Once the battery tech advances these bikes are going to be insane
I used to be one of the Anti electric bike People. I believe i'm coming a believer. Now that I'm seeing people like you guys. And a lot more reviews on this thing. Really starting to like it.
Mine has shipped, and I'm crazy excited. Better than Christmas.
come in yet? how is it?
@dhprojects3296 it did come in. The thing is an absolute blast. 80hp is so overkill. The tire tubes are a problem though.
$14,200 for the full 80hp model. Still about $4,000-$5,000 more than a conventional bike. It would be interesting to know the lifespan of the battery and the cost of replacing it.
Edit: The battery cost $7,000! Holy shit
And for that reason I won’t be seeing one in my garage. Lol would be cool to have to play on tho.
I’ve had some experience with Lithium batteries, I can say they been stout for me. Can’t really notice a degradation over the 3ish years Ive had them
These will flop, 80hp is a flat out lie. A ktm 150 would out pace the varg in just minutes. 400 cells and 80 hp would be close to to 200 watts per cell (laughable).
@Dat_Sun you're wrong, it's 80hp at motor just like all factory measurements and 68 rwhp. Very impressive and here to stay not sure why the hate, incredible machine
@@markmcmahen9442 When other manufacturers let's say KTM develop a new technology and release it, like the TBI bikes. We see actual examples of the bike's performing. You see this in the form of racing, hill climbs and endurance. All video of this powerwheel has been on hard packed surfaces for a few minutes at most, jumps are done downhill, and there is a strong following. They regurgitate the same ev propaganda I've heard for almost 50 years now. Nobody is certifying the manufacturers claims. The TH-cam shills hoping to get a good deal on one of these electric toys, will say or do anything for clicks except show a fair comparison.
Please consider the taxpayers who are unwillingly taking part in these purchases. And make sure to save for the $7,000 + tax and ship replacement battery.
Holyshit! It looks fast af and looks lite as hell from the way he was riding.
Great details on this up and coming beast! I was laughing at the POS rattling Harbor Freight generator though!
Good to see you guys on the reg!
I’d want mine with mountain bike style brake setup. Definitely need a battery pack generator.
Things I wonder:
What is the torque?
Is it fully automatic & what is the final ratio/top speed?
Will the battery be field replaceable?
Will they offer an actual dash interface, instead of a cell phone interface?
What keeps the battery from catching on fire?
Are your parents siblings?
That would be terrifying if the throttle stuck wide open. With no clutch to pull or kill switch on the handlebar you'd just be along for the ride.
Especially with the super linear power, I bet it's real easy to get whiskey throttle
Elektrik Throttle is normally constructed that way that if it fails it won’t give any input so there should be not such a thing like stuck throttle unless it’s mechanically an the turning mechanism
Brakes still exist
Rear brake solves problem. Prolly slide out but better than nothin
With the power that thing makes I'm willing to bet that it would drive right through the brakes. It might slow it slightly but it's not stopping it.
Btw… for a spare battery to ride another 35 minutes at WFO is…. $8k !!!!!!!
I've seen other test videos and riders seem to really like the bike. I don't understand all the hate. Some riders fear change.
Yeah our entire sport has been resistant to change for years unfortunately. That’s why we lag behind so much.
“I’d rather ride my cousin”
-People that say they’ll never ride anything but a 2 stroke
Cool to own but it can't replace gas.
At least not yet.
Can’t argue with that.
Incredible mechines. Yes im jelous 😂 id absolutely love one. ❤️
I do love myself the electric future.
Home with plenty of solar and home batteries for all my usage.
Electric truck with charging capability.
Electric MX/enduro.
Produce all my own power, for my home, car/truck and bike.
And be able to run the MX/Enduro in areas where a noisy bike couldnt ride.
I think Yamaha has a copyright on the term “SSS”, so although other KYB forks are essentially the same, Stark can’t call them “SSS”. That’s why he just said “Yes”.
What ended up happening with the white one?
Posting video today. I was told the inverter failed.
Sweet play bike
😂😂😂😂
RIP to my eardrums when he started cranking the generator 🪦
And 4 strokes with aftermarket exhaust WFT are quieter?
I thought Marley retired from riding. I guess not. Dude still rips
Made me want one untill I seen how much they are
Yes but how much is a new KTM 450? Then add in all the replacement parts for rebuilds over 5 years, 100 octane fuel that cost $10 per gallon here, oil at $10 quart for good stuff, airfilter cleaning every ride the time for all that. I look at maintenance time as lost time from my family, for me what I get paid per hr and add up weekly maintenance it comes to over $90 per week and I ride 8-9 months per year. That adds up plus parts for these expensive 4t bikes. In 2 years the ROI for me for a Stark comes out ahead.
So you will be be lucky to get a moto in on a charge.
You will easily get a moto in
This video hurts me. I paid for mine in full 5 weeks ago expecting it in August 31st. The most recent update says November 15th. So sick of waiting.
Brother after watching Haskells vids and dyno test it'll be like the 16-19 yr wait you had for the 1st girl you experienced what well you know and then some! I will be putting a down payment on 1 next week when I get paid, I can't effing wait. Check that haskell dudes video they are though and the dyno runs are SiC.
Same exact here. Dates and all.
That shot at 7:45 didn't look real wtf that was so fast
There are 2T there are 4T and NOW there is THE "0" or NO Stoke.bikes
I love it and its a rippa!
There needs to be like a 85cc size bike..
Man his fast
Guys Fyi, I'm thinking this hataer Dot_son is a paid troll for some other mfg. He keeps making false bs statements but hasn't even see the dyno vids from that haskell guy. His arguments are straight outta the troll playbook the trolls use on Breitbart. Just ignore the dude.
We'll be going to the races and the loudest thing you'll hear is the generators
When you wake up from riding an electric dirt bike you can put you pants back on and go home from your boyfriends house!
10:39 ahhahahaa
Using a gas generator to charge the electric bike classic😂😂😂😂😂
✌️
A clutch would be nice. Otherwise i want one!
Why would you want a clutch that’s one of the main advantages. They even run Hard Enduro without issue. Some Trials variants have a clutch but that’s really the only outside condition. Most ICE riders use the clutch way too much as it is already
Badass!
But i don't think it's $14k + a 240v generator badass.
defeats the purpose also.
What purpose?
Its not electric to be green, its electric to be quick.
@@zaarkeru3391yep, amen. All these haters think everyone who buys ebikes are global warming psychos, just shows how ignorant and backwards thinking they are. Ffs, I bet most of the haters are riding clapped out 2000-2005 2 strokes they only clean their airliners and change their oil after 60hrs of riding in the desert. Ffs. Always gonna be jealous haters as they rider their beat up s#$t boxes that never finish a 15 min moto.
Broke back mountain called
Why are they calling you?
@@HighSidedFilms they want the stark bargina back😆😳
@@2smokejoke
Sounds like someone is insecure about their sexuallity xD
@@zaarkeru3391lol so true, it's funny like myself back in 97 ihated the 4 stroke thing and quit riding mx in 93 or so, got back into mx around 2005 at almost 40, rode a buddy's 05 yz450 and bought 1-3 days later. All the haters will be on 1 in 5-10 yrs. The haters think guys who these are climate warriors and hate fossil fuels, me I could gaf. 2 degrees of global warming won't do crap to the planet. If the polar bears are having trouble swimming the baby harp Seals will assist them getting to an ice flow! They'll Adapt overcome plus I'm 57, I could be dead long before anything happens. Odds are SloJoe Biden will start the wR with put in, chins and we'll all be done.
Yeah real relevant like sexuality even has anything to do with it. Real original to.
Cool bike but holy heck it's expensive. Costs as much as a 600cc sports bike
I used to be into the elec cars, bikes etc. But honestly elec. is junk long run, another throw away piece. Im sticking to engines and leaving electric to RC.
Do you own a 2 stroke? It's blatantly obvious the Stark out performs any mx bike out there, did you see the dyno vid?
th-cam.com/video/3KqFZeGwuo8/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
Yeah that’s why KTM and Alta have bikes with over 500 hours with no power plant issues and batteries that operate like day one. Do you realize the cost of the equivalent ICE bike at that point 🤦🏻♂
2nd
First
Only way Id ever ride an electric bike is if I intend to break law
Or drive a kid without a helmet on a dirtbike.
Are riding a 2 stroke now?
Yeah real smart 🤦🏻♂
@@kurtheidelbach call the cops
61% used in only 19 minutes of riding on 60hp... For that price I'll pass and stick with gas😂
та м бабшето 80
I still don't like it.. but Marley ripped it no doubt!
so at most the Stark Varg has more horsepower than a maico 700
Send a Maico and a Stark to my PO Box and I’ll test them both.
If they could add a clutch. It would be insane.
No
If you learn proper throttle control, you don’t need a clutch.
Why?
what is the point of an electric bike if you have to use gas to recharge it lls
More power, more control for that power, more adjustability, less maintenance, better handling…it’s about performance, not saving the environment
@@lisaashton2845It's slower than a ktm 150 and has less range. 80hp is a lie.
@@Dat_Sun Nope. I’m going to trust the opinions of the dozens of guys, including current and former pros, who have actually ridden the bike, ALL of whom have said it is faster and handles better than any current production 450.
@@lisaashton2845 How come nobody is showing a real comparison? Only sketchy Dyno measurements, and washed out pro mx shills? What would be so difficult about taking the Stark bike to the quarter mile? Or take maybe a Dyno day where dozens of other motorcycles are measured in front of everybody, Oh that's right it will expose this sham.
I live in Kremmling Colorado, we have thousands of acres of BLM land to ride on here. I welcome any e bike or motorcycle owner up here. We have a guest cabin on 20 acres, it's close enough to ride directly to the BLM land. Any electric bike that can outperform my little 250XC in any category gets my other brand new unused tbi 300xc. This is the equivalent of a 12000 bucks up for grabs. All I want is the right to record the outcome and make a video for TH-cam for my other channel. If I win I don't want anything, not trying to take someone's bike. I have been trying for almost 2 years and have been unable to talk anyone into making this short trip up here for a real world electric comparison. The place is called "big horn park" it's amazing, like I said the guest cabin will be extended along with a friendly environment, I love all motorcyclists. Just because I disagree with them on the electric bike does not mean we are worlds apart. We could spend the weekend racing and testing, While spending the evenings enjoying Colorado's perks around the fireplace.
I look forward to the day an electric bike outpaces my xc's, but I see no sign of that happening.
Oh I almost forgot i have 2 champion 4500 W inverter generators with parallel connect. So we can charge at the blm land. I'll even supply the fuel.
Until the forest starts growing electric plugs generators will need to be used in the forest. Don't tell anyone that I use a Honda 4-Stroke Generator to charge my Electric KTM Freeride E-XC.
I’d never ride an electric bike even if there was a fire!
Okay it’s kinda cool
I'm betting if you where in lahina Maui you woulda rode your grandma to get outta that hot box!😂
You mean when the battery catches on fire?
0:33 THATS WHAT SHE SAID
Did Marley finally admit he’s gotta vagina now 😂 Nah E bikes are cool I think, i love all dirtbikes. Always great when there’s more of em electric or not. Brandon looks pretty good on one of those things👀
80 Horsepower is a monstrous lie. 400 cells right?
Buddy, alteast have a smidge of understanding before you comment...
150W per cell is nothing for both a 18650 cell and 21700 cells....
@@zaarkeru3391 Okay let's do some math. Give me the exact cell you want to use as an example. You're about to get schooled.
@@Dat_Sun
Take any high end 18650 cell...
3.2V
5000mAh
10C
Please school me...
@@Dat_Sun
Buddy, you even wrote (for some reason) that 80bhp = 80kW...
You shouldnt school anyone, so dont homeschool your kids if you have ant
@@zaarkeru3391 I don't see where I said 80 horsepower is 80,000 W here. It would be closer to 65000 W. Maybe it was from a different comment and if so it's obviously a mistake and we both know that. In reality you would need a battery capable of 80000 W to realistically support 80 hp, Using the maximum discharge rating quickly shortens a cell's life or ends in flames.
I need the spec sheet from the battery not your wild claims. I've got a lipo (far superior power density and c ratings due to huge surface area of these envelop style cells) sitting right here that says 150 C on it, yes it's advertised as that, but what would happen if I applied a load of 150 C? (Aka like 20,000 watts) It would go up and smoke after the conductors lit up like the filament of a light bulb. Now if I look at the spec sheet provided from the manufacturer it lists the limitations of the c rating.
It's quite shocking those ratings are generally for about 1 second, but again there's no certification, so don't hold your breath that you'll even get that much power.
The Stark bike feels quick because of its gear reduction box. But like all electric vehicles this initial punch quickly runs out and the roll on performance is miserable.
Notice how Stark gives horsepower rating at the motor but torque at the rear wheel? This is because he's using the highest possible measurement methods for each. Not advertising sustained horse power, and they are using geared torque #'s. This is scommy advertising and suggest this company will not be around long once the people realize the reality of a $13,000 power wheel.
80 rwhp would require even more battery to make up for the losses. Every single advertisement for this bike is misleading and over-inflated without proof.
TH-cam is showing packs of electric dirt bikes riding around together or a single electric bike on a hard packed bmx style track is hardly proof of its abilities. It seems like every jump is done down hill with these things. I look forward to seeing these in a Hill climb muddy conditions or other real world conditions other than hard packed park land or BMX trails.
They get away with these wild claims because none of these are certified by anyone. It's the Wild Wild West of battery advertising days. Other guys here are telling me you can pull over a 150 watts from one of these little cells, that is insane imagine one little tiny cell powering a big hot 150 W incandescent light bulb, It's not happening..
Now, one of those cells will light up an 80 W "equivalent" which is what we're seeing here, made up equivalent numbers.
Stark cannot compete pound for pound with ice, so they have to use misleading advertising and TH-cam shills to push the product.
A real comparison would be taking that power wheel to the local quarter mile and racing the local ice bikes. Followed by a trip over to the dynamometer for a back-to-back comparison with witnesses and other bikes as a control.
Without this we're getting nothing but wild claims to boost pre-order sales of a unbelievably ugly and plastic looking bike. $7000 for a replacement battery that has a shelf life, no matter how carefully you wipe it down every night in your living room, it's degrading. In just a few years you will be looking at a $7000 battery replacement, Assuming lithium prices haven't skyrocketed more than they have.
Gay
Ur GaY
Does your mom know?
Original and real relevant
Go green while you ride, burn fossil fuels while you wait to ride.
Do you think dudes who buy ebikes gaf about global warming? Seriously, most give a shit about that, they want the coolest tech and a bike that will holeshot every 4 stroke mxbike out there and out pull any 4 stroke out of every corner and to every corner and have 10% of annual maintenance costs. The global warming propaganda is total bs. Ffs
It’s not about green. It’s about technology and performance.
I am sure the bike works great, and I would probably be smiling if I rode it. Was just poking a little fun about the hypocrisy in the whole EV movement.
The Varg has absolutely nothing to do with politics, climate change, generators, or any of that other crap
Two people already told me this. Thanks for saying it again.@@kurtheidelbach