NEW! CPM S45VN Steel Edge Testing and Steel Talk
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It's all about the heat treatment. Don't think of hrc and don't think of softer or harder. Heat treatment is about heating and cooling the steel. And depending on the up and down temperature and what is happening at those Temps for the desired time.
If a manufacturer is not developing a heat treatment protocol and just using the basic one on the datasheet, then it won't be optimal for knives. Lucky for makers Larrin has already come up with some profiles for it that some manufacturers may use. While others will never see and will be quite worse in performance.
The key here is to not look at hrc. We want to bring out the proper carbides for edge retention, we want fine grain structure and a micro structure idea for edge retention while reducing austenite as much as possible. And tempering for toughness that makes it less brittle. Hrc is really not that important in the grand scheme of things. Cause you can use a different profile to get a different hrc number and get more or less performance.
This!!! 62HRC is actually really "tame" compared to what's possible hardness-wise - it's indeed also very important to have an ideal microstructure. 👌🏻
Most important is carbide formation and carbide retention when knife is used. You can have a higher hrc knife that does not retain carbides as well when edge is used as a lower hrc one. Carbides should do the cutting. So it's like cooking.. trying to find that perfect balance. I think the most important step was already done by the community.. and that is.. raise awarness of just how important heat treat is. Understanding how a cheap lower grade steel composition can drastically outperform a very pricey steel just because of heat treat is key. Why spend hundreds of dollars on faulty merchendise.. every knife maker should make it of the utter most importance to get the heat treat right. Because you can make a 1000 knives that kick ass.. or a 1000 knives that are trash.. for basically same money invested. Just dial in on the heat treat is my cryout to manufacturers. Don't waste perfectly good blade steel because of lazyness. Don't fraud your customers by advertising m390 and then have that 300$ m390 outperformed by a 15$ 12c27... it's outrageous. WAKE UP
@@bele28 ABSOLUTELY!! I am so glad to find you guys spreading the word 🤛🏻🤛🏻 Indeed, both at high as well as low HRC hardness you can have good (or bad) carbide stability... It all depends on the overall microstructure.
@@kknives_switzerland cough cough.. I m in Croatia.. If you get a reheatreat job on maxamet can I send you my native 5 maxamet blade so it gets a piggyback ride to perfection :D
@@bele28 I am still wating for some Maxamet blades to arrive for re heat treating, after those are done, I may have time. But focus is on my own folders for now. Want sum?😄
Nice vid as always. It suddenly struck me that it would be nice to see a microscopic image of the used (post Sisal cutting) edge. I remember that Virtuovice used to do something like that, back in the days. Cheers!
New to your channel. I bought a knife with S35VN; a week later, same knife offered in S45VN at the same price. At first, I was dismayed at the thought that I may have been left behind. Then I had a revelation. Like all new things; it takes time for refinement. The S35VN knife I chose has been in production for many years from a trusted company; so I'm more than satisfied. S45VN is "a new recipe in the kitchen" and will take time to perfect it. So for now, let us all enjoy the famed classic song, "I've Got A Lovely Bunch Of Coconuts" while our perspective knife makers do their refining. Also, I will be subscribing to your channel at this time. That's right! You made it! The other 30k plus subs PALE in comparison to my subscription! But seriously, great work and I look forward to your future videos.
I’ve been feeling flat with knives lately. Unsubbed from all channels. Deleted Instagram. But still watch your vids 👊🏻. Well done sir
You are the best Pete. Thank you for your great work.
Fantastic vid Pete! Hope you get well and loved the way you took it comically.
Thanks Pete. Hope you get better soon and I hope 🤞 the surgery helps in the long run. I really like that fixed blade to by the way. All the best till next time ✌🏽
Awesome video man. Thanks for the effort and all the best with the oral surgery. It is really tough to have stitches in mouth. Hope you recover very soon. Looking forward to the Spyderco S45VN review and comparing it with the @adknives edge retention ;)
Continuity in your work is greatly appreciated. (I'm sold on the 17° angle!)
Hope you're doing well and healing quickly!
I was intrigued with the direction the video was taking before uncle Randy spurred you to action, but am glad to have learned about s45vn too.
Edit: I accidentally typed "s35" rather than "s45"... nice - thanks brain!
That fixed blade is absolutely gorgeous! I mean wow!
I got a Benchmade Meatcrafter in S45VN and I really like it, even more than I expected to.
CPM S45VN sounds like great knife steel. Thanks for another great video. You chose a perfect time for Life Of Brian references.
Thanks for letting Uncle Randy talk Ahmurikan!
Great review. Thanks a lot for the video.
thx for all the information and testing !
Thanks for your dow and dirty testing of sisal rope. Except for a job where you cut constantly this blade would go a long, long time before becoming dull. They really got it right. Thanks, hope you get better and better. Harry
Eventually we are going to crack the code for adamantium
Vanax 75 is mabye like adamantium
Cpm magna cut🤌 get a very thin grind and make a tough very stainless light saber. It has edge retention similar to 4v/V4E, almost as stainless as lc200n and tougher than cpm cruwear. Go take a look at knife steel nerds, he designed cpm magnacut and has everything you’d ever need to know about it on the site.
Also it’s essentially a very stainless cpm cru wear with better toughness
That's a proprietary name. They've rebranded as magnacut
Which one is stronger vibranium or adamantium?
Uncle Randy , I'd like to see him do more reviews 👌
Hope your surgery was successful, and heals well.
You still pronounce the metal composition names better than I ever could.
Good job on the accent haha. I appreciate the videos you do and the humor. Thanks from Indiana USA.
LOVED The Intro 💚💚
Best vids by a hobby guy, bar none!
Your speech still sounds perfect! I wouldn’t change a thing.
Lmao! That was hilarious!! A extra 10vns obviously ! They end! I love your videos! The entertainment value can't be understated! So funny!
that mirror edge is beautiful!
Congrats. I've been wanting to get a knife from Alex. His work is amazing.
I’m loving your t-shirt!
Great vid Pete!! Say hello to Bluey, Bingo, Stripe, and Chili for me!
A fast recovery to you.
Nice knife. Great video. I only have one knife. It’s made in PD#1 by Carpenter. Not sure if it’s any good but I heard it’s decent. Learning lots about steel from you. Thanks for shortening up the rope cutting.
Great video , interesting . Thanks for the hard work !! 👍😛
Glad you're feeling better, Paul. Alex makes a nice looking knife. I'll have to go check him out.
Monty Python + "Shimmer" at half speed = So much winning. 🤣
Thank you for the screenshot. I am now able to twirl and eat spaghetti 10x faster than before.
I am happy you and dbk are friends!
If I could have my own personalised TV channel it would be a constant loop of:
Pete, Advanced Knife Bro, Shabazz, Forgotten Weapons, InRangetv and RangerUp.
Followed by podcasts from Jocko, Andy Stumpf, Rogan and Shawn Ryan.
Hmmm......scratch that. That's what I do now anyway
Justin Haywood Check out Mike Drop podcast as well.....best of the bunch IMO.
@@jfpinkston1 thanks man 👍. Just added it to my list
Ditto!
Justin Haywood I bet you would like project farm. He compares everything
Justin Haywood advanced kb sucks. I like the others listed jus cant listen to his smart mouth
I don't even know what I would do with a fixed blade but I love this knife. Is this one of his DP35 / DP40 versions? Thanks as always for the information, exploration and entertainment.
Great Review , thanks Pete . Let's just hope Spyderco does this steel right on their new Para 3's ..
and 2s 😊
The “has a extra 10 VNs in it” and cut to Giorgio…☠️☠️
Thanth thyou!
: - )
Uncle Randy! Gotta love it. My wife has an uncle Randy (no kidding). Love it.
what a great knife (even independent of steel). i think infusing nitrogen in a carbon-rich steel is interesting. supposedly, particle steels always include a small amount of nitrogen picked up from the atmosphere during the process. i wonder how much of a role that has had, clandestinely, in the superior observed properties of particle steels generally (that and probable presence of carbonitride). i'm glad to see more experimentation with it.
Id like to know how he gets that blade finish. It looks like maybe 1500 grit (?), acid etched, then buffed off(?), then re sanded on the flats. Anyway, those are some great results!
Can't wait for CRK adopting S45VN and get it a run in the knaf lab
What do you think of Benchmade’s 14 degree cutting angle? They are making a big deal about it in their “Hunt” line.
I am interested in buying the spyderco mule knives but I don’t want to get both the s45vn and the spy27. Do you have a recommendation, they are the same price. After that I will just continue to get the newest release when it comes out
Hey Cedric, do you know normalize to thickness behind the edge and rockwell as well as edge angle?
4:08 LOL, the last statistic is the best.
Oh...I wouldn’t worry. You give me something to think about.
To hell with s45vn, what I want is a review of that cordless spaghetti twirler! I’m here still twirling my pasta by hand like a peasant!
I wonder if the price for it will be as moderate as the make up of S45 over S35.
Re: your (temporary) speech impediment.
You should have told people you had an unlikely sharpening accident.
Instant like for the Spinal Tap reference. Random aside question, how long did it take to sharpen on the KME? I'm using the Lansky and considering upgrading my sharpening setup.
Probably a 25 min job all up. pretty doable, and I tend to fuss a little more
@@CedricAda Awesome, thanks for the response! That's the kind of real world data that is invaluable.
What sharpening system is that? Thanks.
Just in time for the pm2 sprint run, despite the great looks I'm not too hyped for this one tho
Where can I get the knife you're showing in this video
I wonder how the S45vn compares to M390?
Oh bless, his voice! What have they done to him
I love how the the world is linked by KNN, the knife nerd network. Give my regards to DBK
Molybdenum forms carbides that contribute to edge retention
We love uncle Randy! Not sure about that other dude in the knife lab. I mean I love his state of the art top secret super duper facility. An everyone loves brickie!
I fucking love your videos so much
Where can you get this knife?
How can we see the price and availability to buy?
thats a good looking knife
What is that sharper called?
I don't laugh at videos all that often...or anything at all really (wish it were different, but there it is) but the fork in the battery powered driver/drill made me laugh. It was just right.
I really don't know how Alex does these knives for the price he does!
Looks intriguing. I was delighted to see Ponches Piolet...strike him, centurion, very roughly.
Uncle Randy is a good candidate to sell propane and propane accessories.
Do you mirror polish your kitchen knives?
nah they get too beat up to worry about that level of fuss
Your thoughts about the value of custom fixed blades are in my top 5 ‘Knife Guru’ comments of all time. Lyn Thompson has the other four spots😉
Your a real trooper to do this after mouth surgery. Can ya say ssshhh again? Haha jkjk I’ve been there it sucks
2:25
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm sorry for laughing but I'm in stitches!
Well done for battling through and then to be able to take the piss out of yourself for it. 👍
You have made my day, cheers
Sexy new accent bud, keep up the great work
Cool.
0:42 Damn, those hospital grade drugs must be something else xD
So Nitrogen Is knife Cinnamon ? And consequently would represent the Brown Sugar ? .......... . . . . So the new steel .... . . Makes batoning your Rice Pudding taste absolutely Wonderful ?!? ................... . . . . . Awesome!!!
I almost died when Monty python came on
That knife is suuppper sexy. Mr. AD knives knows his business and then some.
All i want in a knife blade is a full flat grind zero bevel solid hardened cubic boron nitride thats razor sharp. It will always be razor sharp and will never need to sharpen it
*S45VN or 20CV???*
Which is a better EDC steel for the value?
IMO CPM 20CV is among the premium comparable with CPM S90V whereas the CPM S45VN is the high medium so very decent. I have used a lot my sprint run 20CV Spyderco Endura but I only have S35 VN and S90V blades to compare.
@@newhuskytwenty thanks for your insight
I got my wisdom teeth out and tongue tie snipped at the same time when I was like 23. Totally sucked.
Official 'Internet Friend' here: That fixed blade is a true Biggus Dickus and I must have it on my person; um, I mean...nevermind.
Well, of course, it's got an extra 10 VN's in it ... quite right! Next question!?
Damn it! Now I have throw all my S35VN knives in the garbage!
Nah all steels have trade offs from old steels. Every property you change has another property that changes along with the first change. I have a medically alarming knowledge of steels and I can tell you that every steel has a certain property that it’s good at. The only exception to the rule of trade offs is cpm magnacut. It’s like an extremely stainless cpm cru wear with a bit better toughness. Check it out on knife steels nerds it genuinely is a huge change to how we design steels in the future.
@@tristanphillips8937 interesting comment thank you! you and I are totally different in terms of metallurgy or steel knowledge I have very little
so quick question why has no one used Magna cut in their knives yet ? can it even be used in knives? does anyone produce and is it coming in the future ?Spyderco seems to use every Steel in the book including cruwear m390 M4 maxamet 20cv and on and on but have not heard anyone speak of Magna cut
also second question,..,.the only property I seem to be most interested in lately is Edge retention the way I test sharpness of my knives is by how it pops the hair off my arm if a blade isn't cutting the hair on my arm with ease then it is not sharp to me and I will not use it most of the time. so considering all I'm interested in is Edge retention what is the absolute top Steel for just that property and not just a working edge but an absolute Razor Edge held the longest
@@BuffaloNickel9 yes! Magnacut was specifically designed for knives. However, it’s such a new steel that it hasn’t really been produced yet. I heard that after the melt of steel is atomized it can sometimes sit around for months or even years before it is pressed into a solid ingot. I’m very anxious to see some production knives in magnacut too but sadly it may take some time. As for the second question, ive found my absolute favorite steel for hair whittling sharpness is k390. (You can get a pm2 in k390 on bentoboxshop) I’ve found that almost no stainless steels have that super fine edge holding capability just because they have excess chromium carbide. Magnacut will almost certainly be an exception to that rule though. A Non stainless high alloy steel will probably suit you very well:) I’ve carried my k390 pm2 for about 18 months now without a spot of rust so it isn’t a huge deal to oil it every now and then if you want that super nice edge. The reason it holds an edge like it does is the almost 10% vanadium content and very little chromium or other elements. (Other high alloy non stainless steels like 10v and maxamet may achieve the same properties but k390 has that little bit of extra toughness)
@@tristanphillips8937 hey friend I appreciate the reply in case you didn't know I watched the video from 2 weeks ago at blade show showing Tim Reeve with a prototype sebenza 31 made out of Magna cut blade Steel I watch the video about 30 minutes after I typed my comment to you and couldn't believe it... were you aware of this Chris Reeve prototype in Magnacut made specifically for Tim Reeve to test..? .. perhaps as a future blade Steelo several years from now obviously on the sebenza and inkosi
@@BuffaloNickel9 yes I saw a few prototypes that came out during bladeshow this year and I am dying to get my hands on one. Like I said though they may not go into production for a while. They made a test melt to see the properties of magnacut, which was then divided to a few custom makers for prototypes. I’m sure they’ve started the production process for magnacut but it’ll take a while for those melts to be ready to be sold.
I wonder if it will cut “half” the amount as s90v
Half x N, you mean.
That really depends on the heat treatment recipe of the s90v in the particular knife being tested. S90v can be poorly heat treated in mass production while still showing 59hrc. It's how the recipe itself does to the composition of the steel inside. When steel is heated all the components of that steel interact at different temperatures for sustained times. If s90v is not done correctly because a manufacturer doesn't want to investigate the best recipe for that composition, it will be abismal. Never trust manufacturers... Most of them do not do that, only few do.
Tactical Center it was a math joke
Wait 45 and 45 is 90 🤯😂
It’s got an extra 10VN!!!!!! 🤣🤣
LC200N is only 0.5% nitrogen but 15% chromium, are you thinking about testing corrosion resistance with this steel also? Wonder how it compares? zknives.com/knives/steels/lc200n.shtml
Anthony Vollmer check out my rust test vids, just search ‘cedricada lc200n’ or ‘cedricada rust test’ and theres a bit ive done on it
One Puuuuuuuuuuuuunchhh!!!
How goes it Pete.... Listening to any good podcasts lately?
This Podcast will kill you - two epidemiologists talk about a disease each episode
S45,6VN
Hey bro, Chris Reeves dose not work at Reeves anymore. His wife Jenny runs it now. Man your good with your steels man.
lmfao@2:50
Hurry up Spyderco, put out a PM2 with DLC and a cool g10 color, so we thow our cash at you.
She sells seashells by the seashore.
Teddy Roosevelt in the house... 0:18
Rust test
Pete you sound like the nerdy guy in a Marvel movie that is bullied and ultimately goes rogue and turns into a supervillain. It’s amazing. Jokes aside, I wish you a speedy recovery!