I have made fixed blades from both Nitro V and 14c28n and as a maker my preference goes to the Sandvik steel. My experience has been it is more consistent, a bit easier to sand and definitely more reliable in the heat treat in terms of warping! I have not heatreated a single Nitro V blade without warping whereas I have only had 1 Sandvik 14c28n warp. I have not compared edge retention though!
Uncle Randy is never going to fully recover from the shock of having that Buck all gussied up. I predict a long "vacation" in the wilderness with a bottle of Jack Daniels, bags of cheese, and his dear ol' hound.
The nitro v was actually ran to 61-62hrc on the Perpetua. Massdrop got a lot of complaints about 57-59hrc being too low so they did a different heat treat and raised the hardness on it.
Picked up the Perpetua in March 2018. (first run of knife, still in the box) It seems that waiting 1-2 years after an initial production run is a good move, the HRC is a big deal in a user knife. I picked up the Ferrum Forge Gent in carbon fiber scales CPM-S35VN steel. The later generation of the knife came with improvements from the first run. Thank you for the video!
Thanks! There's room to explore and there might be surprises in store, but engineering a Uber knife only considering edge holding or steel alloy is incomplete approach. I think starting with design, then materials finally with skills like doing thermal cycles and grinding to good geometry as well as extra effort like not using electric belt grinder and sharpening machines, but doing all by hand after HT will bring a better knife. The thing is what would be better on this knife at this time for what use? There's never one steel for all knives for all uses. Add in people trying to make a good knife without spending more money. I bought a piece of blade material this week and this morning I found for one knife, it costs the same as two six foot bars of six inch wide @4C28N in 0.138 inch thick ess and the other bar at 0.177 inch thickness. There's a bucket of knives in those two huge bars and only one in the material I got. Food for thought and not saying the knife will perform or be any equal ratio better!!! In fact I don't see any further reason to chase good knives by spending 25 times more for the blade material.
Thanks for the infotainment Pete I have been really enjoying your channel Buddy. I have an EDC channel and have been doing some head to head reviews and I always give you a shout out when I talk about edge retention. I’m not sure if you realize how much you’ve given to the knife community with your edge testing. I’m constantly referring to it in my videos. Anyway please stay safe and keep up the great work it is so much appreciated.
So which one cut more? I just watched twice, and still no clue which one was better. You said "this one cut 50 less", but you never showed which you were talking about.
From my POV these steel are far away from being basic steels. Yes they aren't expensive and made in ingot tecchnique. But in my experience toughness and corrosion resistance are much more important in daily business than edge retention. When my knife is broken it's dead, when it's dull i can resharpen it. So what do i like more? I like knifes i can rely on and i don't have to be afraid of breaking when bending it by accident. I like my 14C28 and also 12C27 very much, my other prefered steels are Magnacut and S90V ;-) You have to know what to use in your specific use case.
Would like to see non extreme test of lock strength. For example take of edge. See if lock will fail with basic hand pressures. Hanging 300 kg off knife handle does not seem terribly relevant . If a lock fail with basic hand pressures would be just as important as edge holding.
Ive fixed a regular sized kizer sheepdog 10V that failed the test you mentioned by increasing linerlock strength and recessing the detent ball slightly to compensate for the increased detent pressure
My EDC for a while was an m4 pm2 that i experienced with pretty dramatically, in terms of sharpening. Id say i noticed no real change in edge retention or stability when dropping from 17° to 13°, with pretty dramatic increase in cutting efficiency in my normal uses of cutting cardboard, rope, and rubber tubing. My M4 pm2 at 13dps was on par with the edge retention, and stability, of my 10V K2 at 9-10dps, in the same uses. 10v at 13dps, predictably, significantly outperformed m4 at 13dps. Im just a jackass on the internet though, so take that as you will.
Thank you kindly@@CNYKnifeNerd ❤️ I hope that you and your family are safe & sound. AAAALLLLSSSSOOOO; on a completely different note: happy April fool's day!
I have searched your videos and haven't found one where you discuss microscopes, or which microscope you use. What microscope did you use for these edges, and what can you tell us about microscopes and lighting that are good for knife edges? Thanks.
I'm looking forward to the AEB-L vs Nitro-V! I find AEB-L is great for mushroom hunting as it's quite tough and I end up dragging the knife through rocky dirty when cutting mushrooms that haven't popped fully out of the soil. I'm wondering if Nitro-V would be tough enough for such a task. I got an Esee Xancudo and have used it once so far this year but it definitely developed many microchips from this task. Maybe after I sharpen it a few times it'll hold up better.
My take was he was providing a sharpening service for a genuine Buck folder and made a dog's dinner of it to where it was no better than Packistani tin can damascus folder
I read in the discussion section of Drop that the maker is heat treating to a Rockwell of 60/61 for the Perpetua and that the stated hardness is old . The story is supposedly, there was a lot of complaints about the steel only being hardened to sub 60 when this was being proposed claiming it would be a waste of the steels potential. The commenter claims this could be supported by contacting the knife's producer. I don't know, I just recently did some reading previous to ordering this knife but what was said kinda sounded legit as Massdrop presumably would want people to buy the knife . Massdrop also has a reputation for having inaccurate details in their descriptions. Bottom line? Who knows,lol.
All this said, I was highest impressed with a drop forged N690 Co blade done by Bark River. The Forrester. I chopped limbs in my backyard for four solid hours testing it and it was as sharp at the end...no noticable dulling! Therefore I do like VG-10 and N690 Co very much as much as I avoid S30V and D2!
I got a knife made of 14C28N steel to use for my EDC. Should I apply WD occasionally, or is it not necessary? And after applying WD, can I store the knife directly in the Kydex sheath?
@@TheScottyp1 Good to hear! I have the gray one too. Use it today at work actually. Great knife. I have my k390 para 2 for normal stuff and my Perpetua for anything that could screw an edge up lol. I spend alot of time getting that hair whittling edge and hate to damage it too soon lol
@@CedricAda its actually bead blasted, isn't it? I thought that was cool seeing the bead blast under the microscope...all those little indents and how it makes the blade appear darker and even, even though it's really like sextupled the surface area with dents!
Toothpaste may somewhat polish normal metal but you really want diamonds or cbn for most knife steels since your not just polishing to make it pretty, your refining the edge too. Toothpaste wont do anything to the actual apex on any supersteel. But I guess if your trying to polish a blade or some metal it would work a little
I use toothpaste to,polish fishing lures blades and trolling flashers and dodgers that get tarnished in the boat with a rag.....works well but it's just tarnish discoloration no scratches etc
Can we just accept this is going to become a uncle Randy skit channel now and we'll all be much happier ,pretending we care about knifes and steels 🙄 🙄🙄. When are we getting uncle Randy t-shirts dang it ...........
HAHAHA we all have at least ONE PAki crap knife (I have 3, I can explain! I bought them in a pak, I mean pack) We HAD to try! By ourselves And yeah they're garbage.
Thanks Pete! 😄. Hope you’re doing well. Sorry, I missed how many times the 14c28n cut? Was that 50 cuts less or more than the Perpetua?
yes 200! i realize now I left the little bit after at x8 speed too! Pinned for reference
14c28 did 50 less
I have made fixed blades from both Nitro V and 14c28n and as a maker my preference goes to the Sandvik steel. My experience has been it is more consistent, a bit easier to sand and definitely more reliable in the heat treat in terms of warping! I have not heatreated a single Nitro V blade without warping whereas I have only had 1 Sandvik 14c28n warp. I have not compared edge retention though!
Uncle Randy has been going through a lot lately.
Great review. Big fan of 14c28n as a solid all around EDC steel. Looking forward to trying out some Nitro-V at some point. Keep up the great work!
Uncle Randy is never going to fully recover from the shock of having that Buck all gussied up. I predict a long "vacation" in the wilderness with a bottle of Jack Daniels, bags of cheese, and his dear ol' hound.
I still don't understand which one cut better after watching this video like 4 times
For April 1 next year, perhaps you could provide a guide to carrying a fixed blade in a pocket without a sheath.
April fool's! I totally missed it yesterday, but I got my Bark River Bushcraft Scout!!!! So no wonder! I was preoccupied!
That's a flippin awesome intro 🤣😂😁 after I'd finished pissing my pants I cleaned myself up and continued watching the video. well done !!!
I feel like adding the 70th comment here is really gonna ruin the vibe.
Not as bad as me commenting 2 years later 👍
@@OsamaBinDarrel Yeah, that's the worst.
The nitro v was actually ran to 61-62hrc on the Perpetua. Massdrop got a lot of complaints about 57-59hrc being too low so they did a different heat treat and raised the hardness on it.
At first I was like "use the 0.1 Micron CBN emulsion"...
But then I was like "Glitter is PURDY!"
LOL
Glitter, herpes of the craft world. Gets on everyone and you can't get rid of it 😂😂
Picked up the Perpetua in March 2018. (first run of knife, still in the box) It seems that waiting 1-2 years after an initial production run is a good move, the HRC is a big deal in a user knife. I picked up the Ferrum Forge Gent in carbon fiber scales CPM-S35VN steel. The later generation of the knife came with improvements from the first run. Thank you for the video!
Micro-scratches! Geez, like are they even sharp?
The Metamorph's blade geometry is comparatively chunky so is at a disadvantage.
Wow, I don't usually laugh out loud when I watch TH-cam, but you got me!
Thanks! There's room to explore and there might be surprises in store, but engineering a Uber knife only considering edge holding or steel alloy is incomplete approach. I think starting with design, then materials finally with skills like doing thermal cycles and grinding to good geometry as well as extra effort like not using electric belt grinder and sharpening machines, but doing all by hand after HT will bring a better knife.
The thing is what would be better on this knife at this time for what use? There's never one steel for all knives for all uses. Add in people trying to make a good knife without spending more money. I bought a piece of blade material this week and this morning I found for one knife, it costs the same as two six foot bars of six inch wide @4C28N in 0.138 inch thick ess and the other bar at 0.177 inch thickness. There's a bucket of knives in those two huge bars and only one in the material I got. Food for thought and not saying the knife will perform or be any equal ratio better!!! In fact I don't see any further reason to chase good knives by spending 25 times more for the blade material.
Thanks for the infotainment Pete I have been really enjoying your channel Buddy. I have an EDC channel and have been doing some head to head reviews and I always give you a shout out when I talk about edge retention. I’m not sure if you realize how much you’ve given to the knife community with your edge testing. I’m constantly referring to it in my videos. Anyway please stay safe and keep up the great work it is so much appreciated.
So what was the Nitro-V knife?
So which one cut more? I just watched twice, and still no clue which one was better. You said "this one cut 50 less", but you never showed which you were talking about.
From my POV these steel are far away from being basic steels. Yes they aren't expensive and made in ingot tecchnique. But in my experience toughness and corrosion resistance are much more important in daily business than edge retention. When my knife is broken it's dead, when it's dull i can resharpen it. So what do i like more? I like knifes i can rely on and i don't have to be afraid of breaking when bending it by accident. I like my 14C28 and also 12C27 very much, my other prefered steels are Magnacut and S90V ;-) You have to know what to use in your specific use case.
Would like to see non extreme test of lock strength. For example take of edge. See if lock will fail with basic hand pressures. Hanging 300 kg off knife handle does not seem terribly relevant . If a lock fail with basic hand pressures would be just as important as edge holding.
Ive fixed a regular sized kizer sheepdog 10V that failed the test you mentioned by increasing linerlock strength and recessing the detent ball slightly to compensate for the increased detent pressure
Trying to go to bed bro!
Me : his intros are the best and hes even kept it up during this crap
My better half : Ohhhhhh I like the glitter !!!
Dig the black mage village intro
Thanks! Both great steels.. Just Starting using some nitro V seems like it's pretty decent stuff 👍👊
How is your review 2 yrs later on nitro v I just bought g10 baby banter
I have several custom knives over $1000 in Nitro-V i love it!
I have knives in both steels. It’s nice to see the testing, especially when some folks on TH-cam will say they’re basically the same. Thanks
2.5 years later, how much glitter are you still finding in your Tormek? :o)
Good video bud
Would you be so kind as to an edge retention test with the CPM-M4 steel on a 13° edge or less please?
My EDC for a while was an m4 pm2 that i experienced with pretty dramatically, in terms of sharpening.
Id say i noticed no real change in edge retention or stability when dropping from 17° to 13°, with pretty dramatic increase in cutting efficiency in my normal uses of cutting cardboard, rope, and rubber tubing.
My M4 pm2 at 13dps was on par with the edge retention, and stability, of my 10V K2 at 9-10dps, in the same uses. 10v at 13dps, predictably, significantly outperformed m4 at 13dps.
Im just a jackass on the internet though, so take that as you will.
Thank you kindly@@CNYKnifeNerd ❤️
I hope that you and your family are safe & sound.
AAAALLLLSSSSOOOO; on a completely different note: happy April fool's day!
A Buck 110 with glitter grind. How you gonna do uncle Randy like that?
This quarantine is bad for peoples mental health
I have searched your videos and haven't found one where you discuss microscopes, or which microscope you use. What microscope did you use for these edges, and what can you tell us about microscopes and lighting that are good for knife edges? Thanks.
My wife and her damn glitter.
I find it everywhere and now after seeing your video I'm gonna have glitter nightmares for weeks. Damn
I'm looking forward to the AEB-L vs Nitro-V! I find AEB-L is great for mushroom hunting as it's quite tough and I end up dragging the knife through rocky dirty when cutting mushrooms that haven't popped fully out of the soil. I'm wondering if Nitro-V would be tough enough for such a task. I got an Esee Xancudo and have used it once so far this year but it definitely developed many microchips from this task. Maybe after I sharpen it a few times it'll hold up better.
Yes, theyre in the same family of tough fine grain steels. AEBL, Nitro V, 14C28N, 13C, BD1N is another good stainless.
Another great video in the Knaf Lab. If you ever think of selling the Perpetua. I would love to buy it from you.
Did you just ruin a fresh buffing wheel with glitter?
Love the intro
managed to get most of it off with an air compressor haha
Dang it, Pete...a Buck 110 and Uncle Randy in the same video again?!?! You dun outdid yourself!
man that pattern welded buck looks awesome, i wouldn't carry it as my edc but it could have a spot in my collection
My take was he was providing a sharpening service for a genuine Buck folder and made a dog's dinner of it to where it was no better than Packistani tin can damascus folder
Have you ever tested a Rockstead? I’m toying with buying one.
That intro has me crying 😂
Uncle Randy's rolling in his grave from that opening.
Uncle Randy went easy on you there, I sweerr ta gawd he was gonna put the hurrrt on yeww.
154cm is only a bit more and performs much better in edge holding dept.
Hey Pete, how do you like the perpetua for general use. Thinking about buying one? Thanks
That polish!! Great job
I read in the discussion section of Drop that the maker is heat treating to a Rockwell of 60/61 for the Perpetua and that the stated hardness is old . The story is supposedly, there was a lot of complaints about the steel only being hardened to sub 60 when this was being proposed claiming it would be a waste of the steels potential.
The commenter claims this could be supported by contacting the knife's producer.
I don't know, I just recently did some reading previous to ordering this knife but what was said kinda sounded legit as Massdrop presumably would want people to buy the knife . Massdrop also has a reputation for having inaccurate details in their descriptions.
Bottom line? Who knows,lol.
this is the first gen-perpetua they added a finger groove near the stud and changed the hrc i reckon for the second batch
@@CedricAda Any thoughts on best angle for a hatchet? (Swedish steel)
Semper Fi
Gunny
@@CedricAda first batch is 61, I have one and kurt tested it.
Yay they get better I ordered one
Update, forgot my knife in the staffroom at work and some a$$hole with sticky fingers took it.
Bummer, really like that knife.
🤣 I *KNEW* giving the old 110 the Glitter Bae treatment wouldn't fly with Uncle Randy. You're lucky you didn't kill him...again.
Just found your channel today!
Most awesome!
Thank you
How do the strength and toughness of these steels compare to a carbon steel like 1095?
Much tougher
How would a 9Cr18Mov compare with these in terms of edge retention, sharpenability?
A good notch lower on edge retention....probably easy to sharpen
Intros like this is what keeps me subscribed to this channel
An image has never triggered me more than glitter flying everywhere.
I love your incorporation of Undertale music!!!
So now we know your secret! Glitter strops. Brilliant.
The magnified 14c28n looks a bit more toothie.
All this said, I was highest impressed with a drop forged N690 Co blade done by Bark River. The Forrester. I chopped limbs in my backyard for four solid hours testing it and it was as sharp at the end...no noticable dulling! Therefore I do like VG-10 and N690 Co very much as much as I avoid S30V and D2!
I got a knife made of 14C28N steel to use for my EDC. Should I apply WD occasionally, or is it not necessary?
And after applying WD, can I store the knife directly in the Kydex sheath?
No need to use oil mate it has good stainless properties,just clean it and dry off will be fine.
OMG amazing intro as always
Best intro ever.
that intro is dope as s*
Nice FFIX
RIP in peace Randy's 110
LOVED the Intro 💚💚💚
I've been following your channel for a long time but I'm not sure if you tested sk85
it's not 57 to 59 I had my perpetua tested at 61 on the dot.
the new one or the old one?
@@CedricAda old gray handle
@@CedricAda I sent it to Ltk and we had a few of my knives tested in batch 12 sorry
Yes, this was a big deal for the first run. The sales page said 57-59 but as shipped they were 61.
@@TheScottyp1 Good to hear! I have the gray one too. Use it today at work actually. Great knife. I have my k390 para 2 for normal stuff and my Perpetua for anything that could screw an edge up lol. I spend alot of time getting that hair whittling edge and hate to damage it too soon lol
Great work!
That open 🙏🙏🙏🙏
You would love wicked edge !!! It’s worth it I swear ! Js
I think that perpetua could benefit from a regrind. I heard it was kind of think for a hollow grind.
Agreed
Why dont u get a cbn wheel on the tormek??? U need 1
I hit like in the middle of the night
whats your unbiased opinion on 3g steel ?
That glitter was genius level cover for your trip to the strip club
Am I helping the kids with their online school work don’t think so I’m going to the knife lab
What is your position on serrated vs straight edge retention in stainless steals?
My mass drop Nitro V did the same thing-started to rust?
yeah its the stonewash - it really opens up the surface area of the steel to rust and stuff I think
@@CedricAda its actually bead blasted, isn't it? I thought that was cool seeing the bead blast under the microscope...all those little indents and how it makes the blade appear darker and even, even though it's really like sextupled the surface area with dents!
Have you tried toothpaste as polishing media?
Toothpaste may somewhat polish normal metal but you really want diamonds or cbn for most knife steels since your not just polishing to make it pretty, your refining the edge too. Toothpaste wont do anything to the actual apex on any supersteel. But I guess if your trying to polish a blade or some metal it would work a little
I use toothpaste to,polish fishing lures blades and trolling flashers and dodgers that get tarnished in the boat with a rag.....works well but it's just tarnish discoloration no scratches etc
Can we just accept this is going to become a uncle Randy skit channel now and we'll all be much happier ,pretending we care about knifes and steels 🙄 🙄🙄. When are we getting uncle Randy t-shirts dang it ...........
Bead blasts invites rust?
Lmfaooo the intro😂😂😂
Perpetua reviewwwww
Great fidget toy steel.
Naked eye with a microscope?
I love the background music 🎵 90’s video games Yeah
Top 5 intro
Also Nitro V sounds way better than 14c28n. Lol
Glitter why!
COVID really cut down his lap dancing income and now he has all this extra glitter laying around. What would you do with it?
Izuku Midoriya quirk : one for all lol
No, it's a cardigan, but thanks for noticing!
HAHAHA we all have at least ONE PAki crap knife (I have 3, I can explain! I bought them in a pak, I mean pack)
We HAD to try! By ourselves
And yeah they're garbage.
👍🏻💯
Glitter.... every....f***ing .....where.....what have u done!......
Haha what
hello hello brother thanks for making these videos for dumb people like me
Wait, you're NOT a robot? Sad face emoji.
I'm still not sure. I never saw him check a box that guarantees this is true.
... At this point in history, anyway ---- Burn! :D
That site is freakin awesome. knifesteelnerds.com is great.
love your videos brother but your still greedy
Terrible background music... had to turn this off. Sorry bro
your background looks like jailbars lol.