Thanks BBB. Somehow I missed this until now and I enjoyed the hell out of it. I might have to go watch Tombstone now. So S45VN looks pretty good to you. 👍🏻
Not really S35VN has better edge retention but S45VN is more corrosion resistant. Basically its LC200N just slightly better on edge retention and little less corrosion resistant. I would say its just Crucibles LC200N. Great steel nothing that changes the world. It isn't Rex 121 or Maxamet or Vanax Super Clean.
I love the edge I can get on s45VN (S30V is no slouch, I can get a wicked edge on Spydercos with their HT). Lots of great steel options out there these days but I still love the 45.
One of my favourite western scene ever.. As far as the steel is concerned it's s35vn + 2% more Chromium.. I'm not sure if it needs more corrosion resistance.. I have several knives from several manufacturers in s35vn and Ive never had any rust or even discoloration yet and Kizer in that steel are my beaters layin' around and I live 1.5km from Javanese Sea.. There are more interesting steel , although not yet released but elmax 2 and m398 are 2most interesting looking... Look forward to get one of those.. Or vancron.. There is guy in Switzerland (Kase Knives) making some pretty amazing knives with relatively fair price.. Check him out
@@marekmasar5216 it's not about the corrison resistance for me, it's that the design will form more Vanadium carbide and less chromium Carbides thanks to the additional nitrogen shifting up what is forming in the steel with HT allowing the Niobium to do more work as well. Finer Carbides than s35vn and S30v at higher hardness of temps that dissolve the Carbides are used. Don't know or care what the production guys are doing with it, by I'm running it hard and will get fine structures.
@@FearNoSteel Thank you for clarifying that to me Bear.. Actually that was great demonstration what comon knife enthusiast will think of such minimal composition change.. Thank you Shaun🙏😉.. I'm sure it's gonna be worth ,just like any steel you work with.. ✌️
if i understand this right..i am not alone not to like s35vn..i like s30v..can't say anything about s45n..never had it..but i always felt very alone with it..not to like s35vn..to me it was never an upgrade from s30v..it was a downgrade..
I know this is completely off subject,, but I got my hands on some CPMS35VN. I’m going to attempt to heat treat it in a propane forge then I’m gonna do a dry ice and kerosene cryo. I know you’ve tried everything under the sun so my question is do you have any pointers and tips and is this even possible to get 60 HRC or more this way. Thank you for your time and knowledge that you share with us.
Really needs +2000f and a good soak and temp control to work best, I highly recommend getting a Evenheat KH418, worth every penny. I had a propane muffle furnace with a Thermocouple as well when I was getting started, It was a game changer when I got the electric furnace.
@@FearNoSteel that’s the exact heat treat oven I’m looking at getting, I’m saving up for it now. Yeah that higher temperatures with a long soak is definitely a problem for me in a propane forge
@@FearNoSteel I got an envelope with about $300 in it and I’m doing just that, I’ve sold three knives now. Me having to wait like this ill appreciate it even that much more lol.
I like the comparison of the movie scene and the blade steel as it relates to the knife community. I own knives in all three steels. I don't have enough experience with S45VN to make any informed speculations other than it seems to have promise. Regardless of S45VN's promise it doesn't mean I'm going to ditch my EDC in S35VN or its twin in S30V.
Its more corrosion resistant less edge holding properties. Like sorta LC200N but not as good on being Stainless but should hold an edge longer than LC200N
We dissolve more chromium carbide, the Niobium pins grains better than Vanadium. The boost of Carbon and Nitrogen allows us to get more carbon in solution and more undissolved MC type Carbides. So we get finer structure, lower carbide volume for toughness and a better ratio of the harder MC type carbides rather than an overwhelming amount of M7C3 chromium Vanadium rich Carbide
Where are the other super steels like elmax, vanax, m390, cpm m4, cpm cruwear, cts-xhp, maxamet, and cpm magnacut for example? Would of been funny if they mock s30v and s35vn. At this point, I don't think s30v and s35vn should be considered as super steel anymore. They should make it low budge now just like with d2 steel.
BBB, can you watch any movie without relating the banter to steels? I hope not! Awesome video. Now what to do with the s35-vn in my pocket? Throw it out the door?
Funny... But I see no need for a more stainless S35VN, which is less tough. If I was looking for a tough steel, I'd be looking in totally different category, same is true for corrosion resistance. Yes, I think S45VN is well balanced, but these day, being the golden days of knife steels, there are just better options...3V, 4V, Vanax, Vancron, LC 200 come to mind.
Big Brown Bear I did mate....and I stand to be corrected, but I understand it like this: S45VN has higher corrosion resistance, if only a bit, because of higher Cr in solution while Mo being equal to S30/S35VN. The pictures seem to add truth to that assumption. Am I mistaken?
That’s a new one to me but if it’s any harder than s35vn won’t be up my alley plus I cant even imagine the price though I will buy a knife in that steel some day cause I like the steels almost as much as the rest of the knife gotta catch em all🤡
More options for custom HT to hot rod it. In a production knife it may offer more wear resistant, Stability and corrison resistance than s35vn. Difficulty sharpening has more to due with techniques and tools rather than a particular steel being difficult unless the Geometry is thicker and HT is shit. Mostly though it's lack of techniques and tactics.
Always gets me to laugh, Funny I just watched Tombstone last week! " You may get me, But not before I make a canoe out of your head Ike!" Read Larrins article yesterday and Phil Wilson's reply on Spydercos forum. Interesting to see how it all turns out after testing.
The guy at the bar minding his own business is A2 with a good heat treat.
lol
I thought he was Cru wear w any kinda heat treat lol
440c with fancy heat treat and best years behind him but has supplier connections.
“you gunna do sumthin’ or just stand there and bleed?” is maybe the coolest question that has ever been asked, in cinema or otherwise.
Thanks BBB. Somehow I missed this until now and I enjoyed the hell out of it. I might have to go watch Tombstone now. So S45VN looks pretty good to you. 👍🏻
Damn makes my S35VN PM2 feel like D2 now
Not really S35VN has better edge retention but S45VN is more corrosion resistant. Basically its LC200N just slightly better on edge retention and little less corrosion resistant. I would say its just Crucibles LC200N. Great steel nothing that changes the world. It isn't Rex 121 or Maxamet or Vanax Super Clean.
D2 was,is and will always be the best everyday all-around use steel. Cheap and angry always in our hearts.
It kinda is now in 2023. 2024, will..... should be low budget now
Rex 121 strolls in & says " I'll be ur Huckleberry"
Hahahaa
This is like the best coment ever. I laughed soooooo fucking hard.
Then Johnny Maxamet walks in with his knife steel cowboys
Thanks, big brown bear, now I understand the difference between s35vn and s45vn so much better now lol😂😂
Bought a S35VN knife, ONE WEEK LATER they come out with a S45VN version...
You should explain all super steels in Tombstone speak! Much easier to understand and makes perfect sense!
Don't forget about m398 steel, that will also be the next rage when it hits America
I love the edge I can get on s45VN (S30V is no slouch, I can get a wicked edge on Spydercos with their HT). Lots of great steel options out there these days but I still love the 45.
I was wondering what to do this afternoon, thanks. Time for some researching.👍🇦🇺🍺
Your creative side is sparking again!
One of my favourite western scene ever.. As far as the steel is concerned it's s35vn + 2% more Chromium.. I'm not sure if it needs more corrosion resistance.. I have several knives from several manufacturers in s35vn and Ive never had any rust or even discoloration yet and Kizer in that steel are my beaters layin' around and I live 1.5km from Javanese Sea.. There are more interesting steel , although not yet released but elmax 2 and m398 are 2most interesting looking... Look forward to get one of those.. Or vancron.. There is guy in Switzerland (Kase Knives) making some pretty amazing knives with relatively fair price.. Check him out
th-cam.com/channels/v7WhIE11ClB9BiaJWOJZRg.htmlvideos
@@Zavgar7419 I visited the webpage and I'm subscribed to his channel.. He's knives looks and perform just spectacular 🙏
@@marekmasar5216 it's not about the corrison resistance for me, it's that the design will form more Vanadium carbide and less chromium Carbides thanks to the additional nitrogen shifting up what is forming in the steel with HT allowing the Niobium to do more work as well. Finer Carbides than s35vn and S30v at higher hardness of temps that dissolve the Carbides are used. Don't know or care what the production guys are doing with it, by I'm running it hard and will get fine structures.
@@FearNoSteel Thank you for clarifying that to me Bear.. Actually that was great demonstration what comon knife enthusiast will think of such minimal composition change.. Thank you Shaun🙏😉.. I'm sure it's gonna be worth ,just like any steel you work with.. ✌️
I know it isn't Crucible Steel but this should have been Vanax Superclean
Where is CPM-S110V ? (Holiday)
so the new dealer has some potential
Damn right
A steel like Maxamet has got a great big hole, right in the middle of it. It can never cut enough, or patina enough, or dull enough to fill that hole…
Got some reading to do I see thanks for the link!
That was perfect! Bravo!
if i understand this right..i am not alone not to like s35vn..i like s30v..can't say anything about s45n..never had it..but i always felt very alone with it..not to like s35vn..to me it was never an upgrade from s30v..it was a downgrade..
I know this is completely off subject,, but I got my hands on some CPMS35VN. I’m going to attempt to heat treat it in a propane forge then I’m gonna do a dry ice and kerosene cryo. I know you’ve tried everything under the sun so my question is do you have any pointers and tips and is this even possible to get 60 HRC or more this way. Thank you for your time and knowledge that you share with us.
Really needs +2000f and a good soak and temp control to work best, I highly recommend getting a Evenheat KH418, worth every penny. I had a propane muffle furnace with a Thermocouple as well when I was getting started, It was a game changer when I got the electric furnace.
@@FearNoSteel that’s the exact heat treat oven I’m looking at getting, I’m saving up for it now. Yeah that higher temperatures with a long soak is definitely a problem for me in a propane forge
@@AaronJohnson1979 just keep working with the steels ya have and make and sell blades to buy one.
@@FearNoSteel I got an envelope with about $300 in it and I’m doing just that, I’ve sold three knives now. Me having to wait like this ill appreciate it even that much more lol.
I love these skits u do
Hilarious and accurate! That was awesome!!!
i feel Kurt Russell Wyatt Earp is more of a CruWear or 3V than a stainless steel.
looking at my army of S30V folders then
looking at my Hogue Ritter S45VN fixed blade
I like the comparison of the movie scene and the blade steel as it relates to the knife community. I own knives in all three steels. I don't have enough experience with S45VN to make any informed speculations other than it seems to have promise. Regardless of S45VN's promise it doesn't mean I'm going to ditch my EDC in S35VN or its twin in S30V.
Mmmmmm.....that’s a fact! Just stand there and bleed! Classic!!! So what’s this S45!!!
Spyderco just put it in some of their new 2020 line up. On paper it looks really good.
Its more corrosion resistant less edge holding properties. Like sorta LC200N but not as good on being Stainless but should hold an edge longer than LC200N
My God, that was funny!
My fav western movie
Lol I love these fucking videos. They fit so perfectly
This stuff is so funny well done!
LOL! That was friggin' AWESOME!
That bitch slap is classic! One of my most favorite scenes of the film, u da man Triple B!
Same hahaha
S45VN? What does it offer over S35VN? Seems like they went for better corrosion resistance.
We dissolve more chromium carbide, the Niobium pins grains better than Vanadium. The boost of Carbon and Nitrogen allows us to get more carbon in solution and more undissolved MC type Carbides. So we get finer structure, lower carbide volume for toughness and a better ratio of the harder MC type carbides rather than an overwhelming amount of M7C3 chromium Vanadium rich Carbide
@@FearNoSteel hmmm interesting stuff. Now we just wait and see if the market/makers pay any attention to it.
Makes me wanna pimp slap my zt 0450 in s35vn. Steeltoez gotta keep the steelhoez in line😂🤣🤣🤣😁😁
Pretty good 😆😆😆👍👍👍
Where do you get these from? 😀
Where are the other super steels like elmax, vanax, m390, cpm m4, cpm cruwear, cts-xhp, maxamet, and cpm magnacut for example? Would of been funny if they mock s30v and s35vn. At this point, I don't think s30v and s35vn should be considered as super steel anymore. They should make it low budge now just like with d2 steel.
Snobism
@@HellGatefr2 can't take a joke buddy?
@@techfrank2431 sarcasm in internet comments, always a good idea
Genius
BBB, can you watch any movie without relating the banter to steels? I hope not! Awesome video. Now what to do with the s35-vn in my pocket? Throw it out the door?
Hahahaha dead
This sums it nicely 😂😂
Awesome!!!
Very cool. Thanks
And chuck norris would be M390
Lmao fuck no
@@FearNoSteel s90v? Lol
Bahahahaha your sitting in my chair 😂
Still Rad!
Where do you even find this content? Classic hah lol
Hahhaha
@@FearNoSteel skin that smoke wagon .... I'm dying here lol
I really hate this format of meme or whatever you call it but gotta admit this one was pretty good
Ohhh I want to try this shit
Dam i just bought an s35vn knife
Bravo 👏!
Soooooo, how long before you work up a s35vn and an s45vn in equal parts and baton them both through nails? Countdown in 3, 2, ...
Let's fucking do it
I still like to come back and watch this video. I imagine it as magnacut slapping s45vn now
Im craving pizza now haha.
S30V Guy looks more like 420HC
Spyderco kicked S35VN out of it’s lineup and replaced it with more S30V, and finally S45VN.
Haha that was awesome. I have never seen that movie. What is it called?
Tombstone bro
@@MrCrazyclown145 cheers
Funny...
But I see no need for a more stainless S35VN, which is less tough.
If I was looking for a tough steel, I'd be looking in totally different category, same is true for corrosion resistance.
Yes, I think S45VN is well balanced, but these day, being the golden days of knife steels, there are just better options...3V, 4V, Vanax, Vancron, LC 200 come to mind.
Its not that it's more stainless, read the article in the description.
Big Brown Bear I did mate....and I stand to be corrected, but I understand it like this:
S45VN has higher corrosion resistance, if only a bit, because of higher Cr in solution while Mo being equal to S30/S35VN.
The pictures seem to add truth to that assumption.
Am I mistaken?
Der Kleine Mann No opposing reply? Guess I'm right then. Well, I thought so.
You got it all wrong, friend. Appropriate steels are never the answer. 20cv at 58 HRC is the answer!
If only spyderco would Watch this I’m so tired of s30v
Movie?
Tombstone, Classic AF
🤣🤣🤣Skin that smoke wagon and see what happens.....
That’s a new one to me but if it’s any harder than s35vn won’t be up my alley plus I cant even imagine the price though I will buy a knife in that steel some day cause I like the steels almost as much as the rest of the knife gotta catch em all🤡
More options for custom HT to hot rod it. In a production knife it may offer more wear resistant, Stability and corrison resistance than s35vn. Difficulty sharpening has more to due with techniques and tools rather than a particular steel being difficult unless the Geometry is thicker and HT is shit. Mostly though it's lack of techniques and tactics.
In vino veritas!
"Age quod agis" 😂😂
😂😂😂🤣🤣 Nice one bro 👊👊👊👊
Well, gee, I kind of like S35VN!
Always gets me to laugh, Funny I just watched Tombstone last week! " You may get me, But not before I make a canoe out of your head Ike!"
Read Larrins article yesterday and Phil Wilson's reply on Spydercos forum. Interesting to see how it all turns out after testing.
Lol that's so funny
😂😂✌
Your a beautiful man
LMAO nailed it
You're* 😘
That was the illest
Bwahahahababahahahabahaha
Lmao 🤣🤣
LMAO
Ahahahahahahaha
😂😂😂
Lol
😂😂😂