Both my emtb (Scott Aspect e-ride 20) and my manual mtb (2014 Kona Hei Hei Hei) came fitted with Maxxis Ikon - 29x2.6 and 29x2.3 respectively, low profile tyres, which are lovely on dry, hard surfaces but absolutely hopeless in any sort of mud or dampness. No lateral grip and no shoulder grip - slide around all over the place! I was also finding them surprisingly slow on tarmac. So, the Kona acquired some proper old-school more aggressive cross-country/all-terrain Panaracer Fire tyres, like I'd been riding for years on my old 26" Orange Gringo, which transformed the ride in all conditions - ride through the muddy holes smiling, not around them worrying. The Scott has wider tyres fitted and, it being a hardtail, I didn't want to lose that wee bit of extra cushioning so, as Panaracer don't seem to do a 29x2.6 Fire, I went for some Schwalbe Hans Dampf. Most of my rides include a little tarmac, some logging/hunting tracks, rocky sections and a fair bit of mud. They seem perfectly suited to that and have impressed me on ice and snow. Maybe I could save a little battery with some lower profile tyres but I'd sooner have more capable ones. Yesterday I rode 22 miles of mostly rocks and bog complete with some short rocky technical climbs up into a mountain pass at 1 degree C, which used just over half a battery - not too bad considering I'm nearly 18 stone (112kg) - with rider weight being the other big range-killer. So far I've found the worst thing for battery range to be a cold headwind. A few weeks ago I used 4/5 of my battery power in 10 miles of riding up a fairly moderate gradient but with a steady 40-50mph headwind at around minus 6 C.
Great introductory trial. I agree that it depends on what you are trying to acheive on your ebike. I have a Kenevo that I ride up to get the max DH. The highest grip on the DH without sacrifising speed is more important for this type of riding than trying to get more out of the battery. Find I run out of energy before the 700 watt battery does! The stock Butcher tyres seem to give great traction. Will be replacing with Asegai on front and rear for winter and Disector on rear for summer. The combo has performed well on my DH bike for 2 years.
Did a 9 miler yesterday in the fat burn zone, steadily turning pedals, 2 climbs with 1421ft elevation gain and only one bar of battery lost, seems to work well for making the battery last.
I previously had cube acid on rapid rob tires and was able to make huge ranges and it felt so light to ride it. Than I switched to turbo levo and it felt like a tank to drive. Also the range dropped down significantly. Now in know why... Butchers are good at curves but they roll slowly. It's s a good time to change. Thanks a lot! 🍻 very good job!👍
I'm from Belgium and was a bit confused ... "Tire and tyre both mean a covering for a wheel, usually made of rubber. Tire is the preferred spelling in the U.S. and Canada. Tyre is preferred in most varieties of English outside North America. Of course, all English speakers use tire in the sense to grow weary."
Great video I knew the lower profile would win another point to consider is fatigue could the lower profile numbers of been even better if you ride them 1st with fresh legs
I run same tyres all year round with 40psi up front and 35psi rear on my hard tail ebike, like Daniel Bedingfield says " I gotta get through this" " I gotta get through this" plus can't afford lots of other tyres as bike cost me an arm and leg, not literally
Been running maxxis dhf-dd 2.5 in rear and dhf exo 2.5 in front. Been considering a 2.3 or 2.4 in rear. Still need double down in rear, I blow everything else up. Would like almost as good of grip just lighter.
man Im so out of shape or something just thinking about your heart rate and how heavy you were breathing. When I get out of breath my heart rate is above 160 easy. This will be the first time riding an ebike this year and only been riding for 2 years now on my stump jumper regular bike. I was in much worse shape before I started to ride but even after the 2 years I just cant get fit enough fast enough to come even close to keeping up with the people i ride with any time the trail gets even the slightest uphill, which turned me off riding with them at all. I would still ride at least 1 time a week on the weekends for a good over 1k calorie workout but just wasn't enough and couldn't get myself to get to the gymn enough as I just hate it. Hoping that since the ebike is going to be such a blast andI'll be able to keep up with the group that Ill ride with them more and thus ride multiple times a week and get more consistent exercise.
This is quite an eye opener, I thought you’d be much slower on hard compound through the tech section due to all that sliding around. The biggest drawback to running tubeless is the inability to make a swift tyre change though. Unless of course you happen to have a pair of wheels you prepared earlier.......get down Shep!
Did you put a fresh fully charged battery on the bike for each test? Other wise it was not a completely fair test? With 18650 cells what the battery packs are made up of the first part of the charge when the cells are fully charged at 4.2 volts the first part of the charge will drop faster then stabilise out and discharge a bit slower when you get to about 70% charge. If dont think the results would differ much just slightly less difference
So 4.8 inch wide fat tires may not beat my 0.91 inch road tires for range, got it! Lol, I’ll have to see what the ranges are like for that, but then again it’s 2 different bikes and motors (will be the same battery and possibly even motor controller).
Sorry Steve it’s TYRE! - Sphell cheker - now that said interesting video - most of mtb is off road so I’m happy with the stock levo butcher and play around with tyre pressure - biggest killer Range is temperature and weight
Hi hope you're well. I have a levo 21 with a 700 battery and my friend has one we are similar wieght and fitness i run the assigia 2.5 front and rear he runs the stock tyres after a day climbing muddy steep hills in Scotland I generally have half the battery he has .eg last day out I had 3 bars he had 6 im not sure if I have a battery issue. Or if its tyres
They weren’t only better on the battery they were faster everywhere, even on wet roots and mud 🤷🏻♂️ proves to me that most riders are running way too aggressive tyres on both emtb and mtb for where they actually ride.
15 mph limit suckks tho, is too slow, a rider can easily hit and maintain a higher speed than that. I built my own ebike and my average speed with pedal assist is 21 mph, and is way better than 15 mph to be able to keep up with traffic. I noticed that driver are less bothered now that I can ride quicker than before on the limited 15 mph bike. But I went maybe too big, 2000w motor is kinda useless when even the steepest of the hill is climbed at about 20 mph using only around 500w...
@@ScotiaDroning blame canada. the presenters are british and their content is written in english. trust me, they're just badly educated and don't know how to spell.
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There is one tyre above all else that affects range.
That's the one round your belly!
Always helps to keep a spare... 🍩
True, and if you want more mileage pedal harder.
paradox963 ha fuck that, that’s why I got a e bike 😂🤘
Thanks, just orderd the assagai tire
Both my emtb (Scott Aspect e-ride 20) and my manual mtb (2014 Kona Hei Hei Hei) came fitted with Maxxis Ikon - 29x2.6 and 29x2.3 respectively, low profile tyres, which are lovely on dry, hard surfaces but absolutely hopeless in any sort of mud or dampness. No lateral grip and no shoulder grip - slide around all over the place! I was also finding them surprisingly slow on tarmac. So, the Kona acquired some proper old-school more aggressive cross-country/all-terrain Panaracer Fire tyres, like I'd been riding for years on my old 26" Orange Gringo, which transformed the ride in all conditions - ride through the muddy holes smiling, not around them worrying. The Scott has wider tyres fitted and, it being a hardtail, I didn't want to lose that wee bit of extra cushioning so, as Panaracer don't seem to do a 29x2.6 Fire, I went for some Schwalbe Hans Dampf. Most of my rides include a little tarmac, some logging/hunting tracks, rocky sections and a fair bit of mud. They seem perfectly suited to that and have impressed me on ice and snow. Maybe I could save a little battery with some lower profile tyres but I'd sooner have more capable ones. Yesterday I rode 22 miles of mostly rocks and bog complete with some short rocky technical climbs up into a mountain pass at 1 degree C, which used just over half a battery - not too bad considering I'm nearly 18 stone (112kg) - with rider weight being the other big range-killer. So far I've found the worst thing for battery range to be a cold headwind. A few weeks ago I used 4/5 of my battery power in 10 miles of riding up a fairly moderate gradient but with a steady 40-50mph headwind at around minus 6 C.
Great introductory trial. I agree that it depends on what you are trying to acheive on your ebike. I have a Kenevo that I ride up to get the max DH. The highest grip on the DH without sacrifising speed is more important for this type of riding than trying to get more out of the battery. Find I run out of energy before the 700 watt battery does! The stock Butcher tyres seem to give great traction. Will be replacing with Asegai on front and rear for winter and Disector on rear for summer. The combo has performed well on my DH bike for 2 years.
Did a 9 miler yesterday in the fat burn zone, steadily turning pedals, 2 climbs with 1421ft elevation gain and only one bar of battery lost, seems to work well for making the battery last.
Would love to see a comparison between the Assegai 3C Maxxgrip and Dual on the rear.
I hope you revisit this topic during dry weather. I've got nothing buy sunshine here in Southern California
I previously had cube acid on rapid rob tires and was able to make huge ranges and it felt so light to ride it. Than I switched to turbo levo and it felt like a tank to drive. Also the range dropped down significantly. Now in know why... Butchers are good at curves but they roll slowly. It's s a good time to change. Thanks a lot! 🍻 very good job!👍
I'm from Belgium and was a bit confused ...
"Tire and tyre both mean a covering for a wheel, usually made of rubber. Tire is the preferred spelling in the U.S. and Canada. Tyre is preferred in most varieties of English outside North America. Of course, all English speakers use tire in the sense to grow weary."
What's confusing about any of that?
Good video this, very interesting and informative 👍.
Our mud is pretty thick here. 3.0 rear, 2.6 front. Both Nobby Nic
West Coast of Canastan
Great video I knew the lower profile would win another point to consider is fatigue could the lower profile numbers of been even better if you ride them 1st with fresh legs
Conversely insufficient warm up before the first section might have made that time slower than it would otherwise have been.
I run same tyres all year round with 40psi up front and 35psi rear on my hard tail ebike, like Daniel Bedingfield says " I gotta get through this" " I gotta get through this" plus can't afford lots of other tyres as bike cost me an arm and leg, not literally
Been running maxxis dhf-dd 2.5 in rear and dhf exo 2.5 in front. Been considering a 2.3 or 2.4 in rear. Still need double down in rear, I blow everything else up. Would like almost as good of grip just lighter.
Interesting video, thanks.
How much of the difference do you think was due to the tyres being much lighter?
man Im so out of shape or something just thinking about your heart rate and how heavy you were breathing. When I get out of breath my heart rate is above 160 easy. This will be the first time riding an ebike this year and only been riding for 2 years now on my stump jumper regular bike. I was in much worse shape before I started to ride but even after the 2 years I just cant get fit enough fast enough to come even close to keeping up with the people i ride with any time the trail gets even the slightest uphill, which turned me off riding with them at all. I would still ride at least 1 time a week on the weekends for a good over 1k calorie workout but just wasn't enough and couldn't get myself to get to the gymn enough as I just hate it.
Hoping that since the ebike is going to be such a blast andI'll be able to keep up with the group that Ill ride with them more and thus ride multiple times a week and get more consistent exercise.
This is quite an eye opener, I thought you’d be much slower on hard compound through the tech section due to all that sliding around.
The biggest drawback to running tubeless is the inability to make a swift tyre change though.
Unless of course you happen to have a pair of wheels you prepared earlier.......get down Shep!
Did you put a fresh fully charged battery on the bike for each test? Other wise it was not a completely fair test? With 18650 cells what the battery packs are made up of the first part of the charge when the cells are fully charged at 4.2 volts the first part of the charge will drop faster then stabilise out and discharge a bit slower when you get to about 70% charge. If dont think the results would differ much just slightly less difference
So 4.8 inch wide fat tires may not beat my 0.91 inch road tires for range, got it! Lol, I’ll have to see what the ranges are like for that, but then again it’s 2 different bikes and motors (will be the same battery and possibly even motor controller).
Skills, been waiting for that video. 👍
Downhill in the front, trail on the back is my favorite setup.
Sorry Steve it’s TYRE! - Sphell cheker - now that said interesting video - most of mtb is off road so I’m happy with the stock levo butcher and play around with tyre pressure - biggest killer Range is temperature and weight
He's just avoiding upsetting the septics - likewise "farm tracks" have become "fire roads".
Did the same test with a de restricted Haibike,makes no difference to mileage/battery usage if you’re always above 15.5mph on the flat.
one of the best videos yet
Hi hope you're well. I have a levo 21 with a 700 battery and my friend has one we are similar wieght and fitness i run the assigia 2.5 front and rear he runs the stock tyres after a day climbing muddy steep hills in Scotland I generally have half the battery he has .eg last day out I had 3 bars he had 6 im not sure if I have a battery issue. Or if its tyres
I live in the Highlands so MTB tyres required on the potholed crumbly tarmac so choice was easy enough.
If you want range stay off the deep tread, I have city t..y..res on my homebuild and it copes with 80% of off road.
How about widths? For example my Levo came with 2.6", I can't see much of an issue if I went to 2.5" or am I wrong?
@Frank Hartmann I suppose that is the point, its not just tyre compound, pressure or even profile. Many factors come into play.
Good job.
🤙🤙🤙
They weren’t only better on the battery they were faster everywhere, even on wet roots and mud 🤷🏻♂️ proves to me that most riders are running way too aggressive tyres on both emtb and mtb for where they actually ride.
Tyre pressure?
There's that old welsh man again
15 mph limit suckks tho, is too slow, a rider can easily hit and maintain a higher speed than that. I built my own ebike and my average speed with pedal assist is 21 mph, and is way better than 15 mph to be able to keep up with traffic. I noticed that driver are less bothered now that I can ride quicker than before on the limited 15 mph bike. But I went maybe too big, 2000w motor is kinda useless when even the steepest of the hill is climbed at about 20 mph using only around 500w...
2.9lb? I know we're leaving the EU but no need to drop the metric system Steve..
Kgs please.
*tyres
Wrong u
seems strange you Poms using American spelling...just saying.
i was sure the word was 'tyre'. please tell me you're stoners at least.
It's like jewelry or whiskey, some words have multiple correct spellings
@@ting280 agreed. some words do indeed have multiple correct spellings. 'tire' isn't one of them.....unless you're american ;)
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@@UrbFoxFact Canadians spell it tire.
@@ScotiaDroning blame canada. the presenters are british and their content is written in english. trust me, they're just badly educated and don't know how to spell.
booring