How Does An E-Bike Ride Without The Battery? | Battery Vs No Battery
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- We frequently get questions about riding an E-bike without the battery! So... it's time to answer them! How do the kind of times you can set on the lighter bike with the battery out compare to when the battery is in and ready to go? Chris headed out to Flyup 417 Project to find out ⚡️
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Something I've noticed as a new eBike owner is I was surprised how well the bike pedals when the motor is turned off. Sure its not the same as a pedal only bike, but it isn't miserable like I expected. If you had to ride a few miles on a dead battery back to the trailhead it wouldn't be the worst thing ever if there wasn't crazy climbs or tech
Do some interviews with some e-mtb owners. I'm sure theres a few entertaining ones out there. Or interview some on the bike parks and ride with them for a bit.Or interview the bike park managers and ask what they think? Or review some of the bike parks and rank them for best e-mtb use.
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The gearing on an eBike is usually longer with that 34t front ring. That makes the steeper sections of climb even harder when you run out of gears. The whole balance of the bike is designed around the position of the motor and battery, remove one and it gets upset. The only reason I'd run without one is I really wanted to ride a certain trail and eBikes were otherwise banned.
This brings up the question,what is the optimal weight for a bike on the downhill? At what point does a light bike become a disadvantage?
Just like geometry it's a very personal thing Ryan! Every rider is going to want different things.
@@embn Yeah I think the sweet spot is around 14kg for me.
This is a very good question, as I see the latest trend for DH racers is to add weight to their bikes, the weights are being attached low down on the frames.
My hardtail weighs 15kg so maybe that's why it rides through a lot of stuff!
I can tell you all that 174 pounds is too much for an ebike
I think the skittish feeling and grip issues could be resolved with simple suspension tuning. The missing weight of the battery probably made the suspension too stiff.
Great job having a go at that climb at 417 without the Battery Chris, its a slog on a regular bike!
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Amazing shots on this video !
Another great video!
I've done it. It's crap.
Your forgot to mention that the suspension will be all set up wrong when you remove that weight but hey, maybe not a huge difference.
I'm not convinced that the effect on the suspension would be all that different. Rider+bike+battery = 80kg+20kg+2kg (approx). So removing the battery will only make about a 2% difference to total weight. Most bike suspension isn't that tuneable to such a small difference (in my opinion) :-)
Was the Ebike turned on during the decent? ultimately did you use any assist to accelerate?
Pretty sure on some models the battery offers structural strength to the frame... Probably best to check manufacturer before riding with out the battery installed.
I've been looking for that comment 😂
The Levo is one of them.
Fantastic video. Thanks for sharing
This is just the sort of comparison I'm interested in. As a suggestion, what about a 'control' reference of the time down the trail on a comparable non eMTB? I ask because here at Christchurch Adventure Park (chairlift), eMTBs are welcome just so long as they don't have the battery installed (something to do with regulations around the carriage of dangerous goods - NZ govt policy, not CAP's). So when I get an eMTB, do I keep my Canyon Strive for park riding or do I just use my eMTB with the battery out out?
Does the battery provide any structural stiffness to the frame? I notice having it out, the frame is essentially missing half of the outside diameter of the downtube, could this potentially make the frame flex or even begin to ben under load over time?
Well at least, this answers my doubt about damaging the motor by keep pedaling when the battery goes flat.
That was really really awesome very interesting 👍 e bikes rule way of the future get on the most fun available 🥰
Does it harm the motor if I use an e-bike often without battery power (just put it off but leave it on the bike).
145bpm on the uplift?
Slowest down.
I wonder if they were gassing you out on the way up.
Gassing or assing?
This is like drinking tea, without using tea. Bonkers!
Did you adjust the pre-load for riding without the battery?
My e bike is like a dead weight without the battery
You know what might be good? A social app that connects ebike riders from different countries for sharing batteries, which would also have a database of places to rent batteries.... Airbat? Ubat?
Good idea?
@@Mk-cl3il ah heeooorrr! Ya can't just reply without the reasons why 🙄
Start making it now before someone else does ;)
Really good idea, would help, and could make a lot of money.
Some people have 5 batteries at home but only use 3. Could rent 2 no problem for X price per day, or weekly.
What about riding with an empty Battery VS assist switch off. Many of my EBike friends keep telling me that it becomes harder to paddle when you run out of juice or when I try to go faster than the max assisted speed. They discribe it like turning the motor by your own power with a certain resistance
I have a Yamaha first gen motor, no way you could ride up a hill with the drag from the motor.
I have a PW-X2 and often turn off the motor to use it as a traditional bike when I ride with others. No noticeable drag at all with the motor off...
They must have done something right with the PW-X2. I'm very happy with it, both concerning cadence, strength and power levels in the different modes.
Love the videos guys, though I don’t understand the heart rate. Maybe because I am not so fit but the heart rate up the hill was so low, mine would have hit 200
We ride our Kenevos in the WMBP . It’s not a problem regarding weight on the roll up trays, as our old DH bike from the early days weighed about the same as an Ebike.
However, I would be hesitant to hang it on the hook by its front wheel - only because I’m not certain the lift attendant at the top , could remove it without a struggle. Not sure if It’d be healthy for the front rim, either?
i heard ebike riding without battery feel like riding in pool of mud.now this seems to be like normal mtb to me.nice video by the way.😍👍
The Shimano system feels more like riding a normal bike just a tad heavier than normal
It really helps me having that extra weight. The suspension seems to work better, so more planted and less skittish in the corners or over rocks etc and the jumps you can hit slower and pre load as you say and easily clear jumps. Great video.
so basically if you buy an emtb you are forced to use the battery? correct?
Basically for me I just want to ride my bike on a flat path, just a bit easier for longer distances (I end up being fatigued when riding my bike, so the electric motor assist would help a lot for just more enjoyable rides and not an extreme workout every time)
I probably wouldn’t need a battery if the electric motor is powered by my pedals (am I wrong?) Is there a thing like this out there?
Nice comparison
Poor Chris always get the cardio work out! Wheres chunky Ste? Last week you nearly chundered up a bacon egg breakfast.
What I am missing is some explanation *WHY* the bike seems to handle less desirable without the battery ... given that „normal“ bikes weigh far less than an e-bike without the battery but still seem to handle better. I sounds logical to expect that the handling would improve without the battery ...
Is this because of the weight distribution over the rest of the bike? So the balance might feel off without the battery?
Anyway ... interesting topic!!
Is there an ebike have a switch to turn on/off battery source? So I can use it when necessary?
Yes
You missed out the no battery option for spesh riders, where the assistance randomly cuts out on the trail. Kenevo, Levo and Turbo Levo, has affected all my mates.
Pretty fit to pedal up that hill with 144bpm... I guess I would be higher with the battery in and on
What brand of bike was that?
What about protecting the exposed contacts when the battery is out?
Endorfin Fishing I’ve personally never had a problem with that. Just don’t touch the contacts or get it wet. They are recessed, so you would need a very specifically shaped conductor to accidentally short it out, and even then the battery protection would kick in so you would just end up with mild melting where it shorted.
I think it makes the uphills a bit of fun. I also think that if you want to use the same amount of effort uphill compared to a clockwork you can? But is the comparison worth doing anymore? E-mtb can stand on their own two feet without having to be justified or compared against mtbs. It just sets up the 'angry mob' to moan.
Hi guys,
Great channel! I have a 2018 Spectral On 6.0. Since day one I have heard a sound like a scraping/ vibrating brake disk. Had my axels tightened, spokes tensioned, brakes checked, no change.
Then I noticed it only occured whilst pedalling and now I think the sound actually might be coming from the motor... Do you have experiences with this?
Yes, switch to rocky mountain trailbike type (non ebike) or Rocky mountain Enduro type (non ebike) both with alloy frames. This will solve your problem guaranteed 😊
I would argue that the better downhill times are mainly because of the practice of previous runs.
thank but I thought it would be a comparison of an ebike without battery and a normal mountain bike. How much the weight of the motor and frame is disadvantageous ... it's pretty obvious that ebike with battery is better than without.
If we want to eliminate the speed limit in downhills, can we turn off assist mode and enjoy speed? or we still have to struggle with that strange limiter? I will be appreciated as it really on my nerve and I couldn't find any proper answer to this.
You'll still be pedalling with the mechanical limit of the motor
Maybe I'm old fashioned correction I am old fashioned prefer to ride up on my e.bike and blast down. That's why I bought an e.bike living in snowdonia
Nice Video. Question: Isn´t it a bit dangerous driving without battery inserted. I have a bit concerns because of the mudd, dirt and the battery contacts? Or is it not a problem?
as long as you clean them afterwards there is no problem
is it safe to ride ebike with dead battery? Does it harm the motor in anyway?
As long as your e-bike is in a regular bicycle configuration, biking without a battery is manageable. If you're talking about the cafe racer style e-bike configuration, it'll be a painful ride, especially up hills.
nocee, I´ve done the same and felt the same
Still think theres an aftermarket business for someone to make battery compartment covers for going without a battery and bolt in traditional bottom brackets in place of the motor( for travel, lifts, or if your motor is getting serviced)
My son printed me one for my YT decoy. 👍
@@Yip247 awesome! Im going to look into that.
I just wanna say thank you.
Flew to Chico, rode through town up to Paradise batteriless. Thighs were screaming at me all day. Needed next morning desend.
What bike is this in the video?
Marek Kuzian I think it’s a Canyon Spectral:ON 9.0
Why dont bike parks allow emtb?
Does riding without the battery in clause problems with dirt ingress on the connectors?
The connections are sealed. So you just blow them out or wipe them clean
How long are you My Friend?
Can you ride e bike without pedalling
They should have them set up to wear when you ride on a dead battery the movement of the bike should be able to charge it. Electric motors with magnets in them can be used like generators
Do they not have gears to shift to? Like the benefits of electric are a loss if you don't have gears to make hills easier.
Does riding an ebike without the battery negate the speed cap?
Max Vargas the cap is on assistance not speed.
I would worry that on an integrated battery bike the battery might be a structural member so the strength of the bike could be compromised?
I can not use my shifter if my battery is not installed! Pointless. E-bikes need 3 small 'piggy back' batteries to overcome battery 'size' issue when flying.
Hey Shannon D, if you are running Di2 you could always install the battery in the fork steerer tube.
I miss fourth side of equation - what about riding with the battery, but depleted ;-) Of course down the hill only, we all know how would the climbing go...
Like a noughties DH bike
What does it feel like on an E bike with no battery to me...well...frankly...pointless. However when I was riding downhill on my trail bike I missed the big tires and weight of my ebike.
When I saw the heart rate so high going up in the van I imagined it as some sort of flintstone's type vehicle where all the passengers legs are the actual drive system.
I came into this video expecting some sort of analysis of different motors and their drag. I think direct drive hub motors have the most drag but geared hub motors can freewheel completely without drag and mid-mount motors vary enormously depending on design. The old Bosch motors had a lot of drag but the new ones are massively improved in that regard. I was hoping for some analysis of the different brands of motors and how good they are when the battery is flat with regard drag. I'm none the wiser after watching the video. I feel the battery should be fitted at all times to protect the contacts and in case it has a structural purpose plus it will also weight the bike as intended for use.
Of course if you have a e-bike conversion with a front hub motor you can quickly convert it back to a normal bike by fitting a standard front wheel and removing the battery. You can then use it and take it anywhere as a normal bike. If its a lighter geared hub motor then you don't even have to change the wheel it will freewheel without issues. I know that won't get much coverage on this channel which is mainly sponsored by higher end e-mountain bikes but there are many advantages to hub motors not just price. In this scenario where you are riding to the top of a hill by road or track and then riding it purely downhill on a trail I'm not sure a mid-mount motor has that many advantages, the extra torque is only really beneficial for steep inclines off-road but any hub motor will get you up any road going up hill. Admittedly a heavy direct drive hub motor is probably not ideal on the front for downhill tracks it would need to be on the back but a light geared hub motor could be on either wheel. Unfortunately like mid-mount motors the geared hub motors have more moving parts and therefore a shorter life and require more maintenance although still probably more reliable than most mid-mount motors.
Late to comment on this - I enjoyed viewing the rides and the post analysis. I recently got a light trail use hard tail ebike and have enjoyed it immensely. Next target is an enduro style ebike for the more challenging trails. Thanks for posting the video
A Rocky mountain trailbike (non ebike) can handle Enduro with upgraded brakes and reduced speed. Your ebike trailbike must be weak or too heavy. Maybe its an ebike trailbike for preteens 😂
Y wouldnt you lock your suspension going uphill? Especially on relatively smooth surfaces. Waste of energy...
I can't change years without battery on mine
That dude has the most Britishy accent I've ever heard in my life. and I'm not even British!
E-Bikes clearly let you shred much more than an analog MTB. That's why they will eventually takeover, except in certain competitions/styles of riding
neat
Well; I have the Merida E 1 sixty there ain’t no riding with out a battery ; with electric gears , good but 600 dollars for a new derailleur not good , but love it anyway
The main problem I see with this test is you didn't change your suspension set up between riding with and without the battery. The test did show that you must be fairly fit to begin with and a pretty good rider to cope with a poor suspension set up.
The battery only represents less than 2% of the total weight of bike & rider so would its removal have had any significant effect on the suspension tuning?
@@darrenleslie981 That's a fair point, I admit I hadn't done the numbers on it. My thinking was I have to change my fork set up when I put bikepacking gear on so the battery would likely have the same effect.
Bike parks do allow mtb
All ebike can have the power switched of at any time
Taking the battery out does not make it not an ebike the weight of the motor in the middle doesn’t change
Like a lot of these videos , there is an agenda that’s not made clear to some
There is no speed restriction on any ebike , just a limit to what the battery will help you reach then you can go as fast as are able under your own steam
It’s all about riding up hill!
Maybe try an alloy frame MTB that weighs 60 pounds with a dead battery uphill. Now you will know what "dead" feels like hehehehehhe!
My 1000w BBSHD bike weighs 23kg with a 4kg battery
A e bike is just like a regular bike without a a battery
Lol your max heart rate was highest in the van
It doesn't make sense to me. Everyone complain about weight and now this guy say that 19 kg was bad and 22 was great. Just wtf.
Actually you can take a electric mountain bike on an airplane as long as the battery is smaller than 500wh
Just imagine havinh an ebike and electronic shifters and rd and loses battery all the same time..
I have one motor
Should have used a gravel bike. You could have got up that hill without 'dismount of shame'...
Why is your heart rate 145 in the back of a van? And higher than pedalling with the motor?!
Come on, there's no way to transport batteries of that size on airplanes? At all? That's fucked up. What about sending it ahead of time by delivery service?
Wrist hr monitors are extremely inaccurate for cycling and point measurements like max or min hr, it can be off by up to 20 bpm or even more as demonstrated here with that 144bpm for close to maximum effort and 145bpm for sitting in a van. The only figure you can trust is average hr. If you want to know your heart rate at any single moment, or max or min hr a chest belt is the only way. Anything else is just Theranos bs.
My ebike has a dead battery its like riding with a flat tire not easy but it can be done hope your going down hill, Not looking forward to buying a new battery $$$ money.
On anything with the older Bosch motors, no battery is awful. Way too much resistance internally in the motor for non battery riding at low speeds. Get it moving and you'll be right but it's very unpleasant on climbs and even flats to an extent.
Must have been a super hot chick on the bus to get 145bpm😲
Leak exhaust more like nox fumes in the cab.
I will answer the biggest question. With DD. No battery TANKWEIGHT. a geared motor. Not bad. These are Hub motors. 3rd kind are middle. Chain for those w more $ than sense. Research
Something _must_ be wrong with those heart rates.
Your heart rate goes up with your cadence. I find I pedal faster, for longer on my ebike, hence higher heart rate.
Airlines not allowing the batteries...then what about the computers? The cellphones? 🙄
FhargaZ battery size matters
Battery capacity, actually. The more milliamps, the more dangerous they get.
Heart beating out of chest at 144 ? Really? I’d try a hr belt my garmin watch is miles of when using the wrist pick up compared to a belt.
First! Love your vids!
Why would you want to? Stupidly small batteries.
Better downhill with battery weight.
Ok add another 10kilos to the frame, see if it gets even better
It does get better but you have to adjust the suspension/pressure.
He didn't change pressures with battery out
@@bikemad because they wanted to make sure it was better with the battery in,
LOL - Renting a battery. You ahve no idea what the rental battery condition is - how it's been maintained - if it might cause an electrical problem with your euipment. But yeah ... good luck with that.,
I can't ride my ebike without the battery. It literally requires more force from me to even go down hill without it. It just doesn't go, it has resistence. It doesnt function like a normal bike. I have a Surface604.
Do you have a Bosch gen 3 motor in your bike.
@@Simonsimps No, it's a Bafang
@@slowsavage5522 Well my Bosch gen 3 CX feels exactly how you describe also. If your going downhill and you try and pedal with a dead battery it actually slows you down. Horrible feeling.
@@Simonsimps Yeah doesn't make sense :/ If I get stranded somewhere I just have to carry the damn thing
I know the is an ebike channel, but how about some objective content rather than just tailoring every 'test' or 'review' to make the ebike the holy grail of everything that can do no wrong. Btw i do like ebikes.just seems like the channel is basically an advertising platform for certain brands of ebike
motojames the fact is, EMTBs are better at almost everything.
'seems like'. Do you pay for those videos? no? well then it IS advertising. Which is fine, as long as the content is relevant.