I'm older than you and the GS looks super appealing but I am also a muscle car guy and love power and torque 😁 tough choice but adrenaline always wins out
You’re right about this motorcycle. It’s absolutely perfect to ride. KTM makes a very good bike, but other than the raw, scary power of the KTM 1290, hands down the BMW is the superior motorcycle. I don’t know why people need to refer to it as the old man's bike, it’s offensive. The fact of the matter is the BMW R1250GSA is a very expensive motorcycle (you get what you pay for) and the buying market is by and large older people who can afford it. I’m 66 and rip it up on my '21 GSA.
The GS is a good bike to take us more comfortably from point A to point B. The SAR is a good motorcycle to take us with a little less comfort from point A to point B but with much more pleasure and with the necessary comfort to do the kms we want.
I have owned both and the 1290 is no less comfortable (all it really needs is a bigger screen and an aftermarket seat) but has a lot more off road capability.
I never tried the SAS, but just love my GSA. Had the 1200 and then upgraded it to the 1250. I just adore how re-assuring it is to ride it fast in the twistied, flicking it from one side to another. Also I recognised that I rarely rev it to red line but use that immense amount off torque in between corners. It's just so much fun. Beats everything. I've seen KTM's sneak away in straight lines, but then in the corners they are just not sure-footed. I've had stronger bikes, but this beats them all.
I went to my local (150km away) BMW MOTORRAD Dealership in Wilmington North Carolina. Great sales person. Donald showed me a low suspension 1250GSA Triple Black. I thought I was too short after seeing this video, but since we are the same height, I could flat foot it with the setting in minimum and seat in low position. I am now playing the lottery so I can win it and buy one. I've bought a Royal Enfield Himalayan last year ( how I found your channel) and decided I need a better long distance motorcycle. I've looked at buying a Husqvarna Norden, but the dealership advertised a price of $12,499 and when he came back, it was $19,200. Yes, they were trying to take me to the cleaners. Some add on warranty ( only good at the dealership) $3000 in accessories with the paniers and slip on exhaust. Then it was this fee , and that fee. I walked out. They called me today wondering if I was still interested. I said, I will come down now if they want to sell it at the advertisement price. Love this video.
Before purchasing my KTM1290 SA/S in June, I did my research. The BMW came in #3 out of 4 behind the 1290 SAR #1, the Ducati Multistrada #2 and the Harley Pan-am was #4. I love my KTM and like you said, I love the "respect" and "thrill" that LC8 makes and just the raw power. I named mine Klaus. The Austrian War Horse.
Actually you try to lift the bike on double stand the wrong way. There is a much easier way. Just grab the bike from the steering and the passengers foot peg (and specifically the metal bracket above, as close to the foot peg as you can) and then try to lift. It makes a world of difference. Just try it.
I sold my 1290SAR after I road the 22 1250 GS also in Triple Black. No more chain slap that makes the bike sound like it’s falling apart. All joking aside…both great bikes…but I enjoyed the GS more.
I totally get that , i love both bikes. I think that the BMW is that chill relaxed guy down the street who orders 1 beer at the bar and the KTM is his crazy cousin that comes in the bar yelling asking for tequila 🙂. Both are fun guys to hang out with but it depends on what mood you are haha.
@@LifeofSmokey I think the GS is more the quiet lunatic sitting in the back having a coffee, GS's seem to have absurd capability hiding under the polished finish.
Some analogies: 1) the gs is like the good wife , it cares for you , is there whenever you need her , but the sexytime is lights out and missionary. The ktm still cares for you , but with a temper and the aoocasional dishes flying around and you microwaving your own meals occasionally. But the sexytime is wild in all angles and all kinds off fluids flying around... 2) the gs is like drinking still water: you know it is healthy, and you can and should drink lots of it , but it is tatseless and even maybe a bit dull . The ktm is your monster energy drinks , full of caffeine and other shit , you know its bad but you drink it anyway becease it gets you PUMPED :P I own a 2018 sas btw :p
Today I took my SDGT for a short ride and When I started the engine, a message of a red warning came out on the screen:- “SUSPENSION”. But as everything else was looking pretty well, I went to the highway and took her the beans and the warning message disappeared immediately and it never came out again… I love the bike but when I had the 1200GS and after the 1250 GS, neither of them gave me red light warnings. That’s the only thing That KTM makes me remember about the GS’s that I had🤙 Looking forward to see the next video of touring on the GS✌️✌️
Knappe review en montage smokey! my First GSA1250 Exclusive was stolen last year November at Brussels airport!! So now I bought the very last one ever made 1250GSA Rallye, will have it ready next week!! first trip starts 20 October, 7 days from Leuven Belgium to Mijas Spain. First stop Sancerre, 2th St Emillion, 3th Pamplona, 4th Ribera del Duero, 5th Avila, 6th Cordoba..Me happy
Great video and what a character you are! 🤣 I totally agree with you Smokey, after test riding both motorcycles I had no doubt in going for the 1290 Super Adv R which gave me pure adrenalin excitement! 🚀
You said it.. BMW.. conservative.. wide and no way near as fun to ride as a 1290 SAR.. love my 2022 KTM SAR.. ridden KTM for 15 years and they are better than ever!!
I have a 2018 1200 gsa at home in Canada, and just finished renting exactly that 1250 bike you reviewed for 3 weeks in Germany , Austria, France, Switzerland, Italy and CZ Republic. July 1-22 4500km. . I am 197cm tall, and the windscreen is not tall enough for me but that is changeable. I can get it up on its center stand with both paniers and the top box loaded to bursting, its not "easy" but it goes up the first time, are you sure you didn't have it in gear? In Canada I have Heidenau gravel road tires because it gets lots of gravel roads. the riding modes for the bike are magnificent, the enduro mode is perfect for gravel roads even with such a heavy bike. In regards to this vs a KTM, even in Austria this is the bike you see..... likely 10 to 1 over big KTMs.
I'm just a very weak person and only 176cm and like 75kg. So me standing on that center stand didn't even make it move bit 😁👌. But i do understand why so many BMW's have been sold.
Both bikes are amazing and are the top two. KTM is a better all rounder, more fun, and better off road with the 21 inch front wheel. I’ve owned both and I love my KTM 1290.
This is an old debate, I'm not getting into that, it's more like a subjective issue. You made a very creative video and some great pointing out factors with a nice touch of humor.... You're smokin like the 1250 & 1290, Smokey pal...! Keep it up. ;-)
I like it if you don't look at price. I bought one put like 7k on it the first month. I have had many ktms and still have them. Gravel touring you can't beat the GS for comfort.
Center stand BMW: i think it is difficult to put it on the stand because the center of gravity on the GS is lower. Pre owned a KTM 1290 SuperAdventure T, the one in white with the 30 liter tank, and it was indeed easier to put on the center stand. Now i have the 1250 GS HP but have managed to find my way of putting it on the center stand. Loved my KTM but quality of build on the GS is better. IF only KTM would have done some things different and by that I mean the choice in material(s), the GS would have a more serious competitor.
Don't forget to activate the "pro-modus" with the optional plug to get "Dynamic PRO" and "Enduro PRO" (plug is under the seat normally). The sound of the engine even gets better with a SC Project muffler of Akra. Keep your righthand lower to pull the bike on the stand. Nice review! 👍
I have a 2021 GSA 1250.....the pro modes don't require a dongle/plug anymore.....it's built into the firmware.....supposedly it can't be activated until the first 600mile service...
I've had two GSA's 1200 - Air Cooled & Water Cooled. I sold my water cooled one to pay for a near new Superduke GT. I like the GT and the KTM orange but I would not hesitate goin back to the BMW GSA. I found it more comfortable, its more upright. However, despite my strong dislike of KTM as a company because of their mean out of warranty attitudes and their no so dependable electronics, I'm still hanging onto my KTM because its fun to ride and not so many own them. Seems every biker and his dog has a GSA these days and the price of them!!!!.
Great review again Smokey, really like your jokes. You are funny man, seriously. BTW I do ride a BMW R9T so I am a true believer in a boxer twin, however I am selling my roadster because the Norden 901 just peaks my interest. So I will buy it as soon as I sell my 9T. So not sure which is better any more, let's just say, they are both great bikes the 1290 and 1250 GS.
If it has to be big adventure, then BMW hands down for all the reasons. I use to have a 2016 GSA. But if you want it funnier, more speed is not the way; the dirty 300EXC is the way! 🙂 I use to have one of these too, plus a 450F and a 690R. Sold them all for a 890 thinking is the best compromise, but neeaah.. 99% of what I can do with this medium cow I could have done with the big cow, plus ride to the Moon and back in style. Bigger tank, no chain worries, wind protection, much comfier, oozing quality in the smallest detail, perfection. If you can't afford 2, then GSA, always! But if you can and you are dirt oriented, have a 2strokes chainsaw like the 250EXC, will change your life. The big KTM is neither donkey nor horse. Oh, I use to have a 990Adv too. Powerful, fast, big, useless :-)
I am not ktm ether but I just saw new bmw gs recall from since 2013 until now. Many accidents caused by schaf drive. Be safe don't risk your life just it's bmw
On the note of wheelies, I can stand my 2022 KTM 1290 SAR up on the back wheel at 110km/h in 4th gear without using the clutch 👌 Just stand up and give it a little bounce as you power on 😁👌 I've also got a 2021 KTM 500 EXC-F with a full motard setup. Both the 500 and the 1290 are absolutely amazing, but since getting the 1290 I haven't touched my 500 😅
KTM for sure, the SAR 22 is amazing bike, I believe that SAR don't have nothing to envy a BMW GSA, is comfortable in all terrain, is less heavy and tall for me with 1.71 mt and if you consider several extras in KTM it is still cheaper than BMW.
It really depends on how often, how far and what sort of roads you ride in. Currently I ride daily about 95km to/from work. I go on rides that can cover 2800km in 2 days. The GS would do that although my 1400GTR has the ability to give a scary feeling when you open the throttle. The GS doesn't. The KTM will give more smiles than than longevity of your rear tyre. It also has the potential to get your licence taken away from you very quickly. So many things to like although on single trail they do feel big. The GS ringing for help would be a feature that would be modified (deleted) quickly if I owned it. I think you set the standard high with the Norden 901 and I'm thinking these bikes don't quite make it to that level.
The Norden doesn't give enough fun when going on the highway or when i'm having fun in the harbour or bigger streets like that. I need at least 150hp or so i think 😅
Hi Smokey, I absolutely love the GS and is perfect for 1000+kms a day. I would definetly take it on round the world, however it lacks in spirit and excitement when I compare it to my 1290. That just rocks! I love both bikes, but if I have to keep one, its the 1290. My wife has an Africa twin, and she likes the BMW because its smooth but doesnt feel as capable in the really knarly stuff as the AT or the 1290 as its just too much of a lump...
For everyday use or Touring the BMW is amazing, for trackdays or driving like a Madman (or like you i suppose :) ) the KTM is more fun... Had a 1290 SAS and changed it to my GS1250 and keeping that.... Even though i always look for a replacement but still have'nt found one..
Nearly bought a GS last week. I'm travelling about 1000kms per week at moment and thought must have a GS. Then I got on my SD GT. The GS is a good bike, does everything well but there is no excitement, no soul. I Don't think its an age thing, I'm 68 but I need the buzz, the little bit of fear keeps me going. Plus, why Don't GS riders nod or wave back?
No excitement ? Did you put it in dynamic mode and crack the throttle? I giggle like a little kid when I open that boxer up. I love the torque of my GS. For me the refinement is its soul albeit it’s not exciting as a hooligan KTM but I still appreciate it. Sometimes it takes being in the saddle 12 hrs in a day and then hopping off relatively fresh to appreciate this. Few bikes pull that off in my book.
I think i have a review of it somewhere on the channel. I was one of the first in the country that took one for a spin :-). It's good but nothing to compare with the KTM :-)
Informative and entertaining. Great production! Just long enough to let me finish my business on the toilet, but not so long that my legs fall asleep 👍
Clearly the GS is more road oriented than KTM in general. 1290 from KTM it's a beast but less polished than the GS. Probably best of both worlds would be a Honda Africa Twin. Even if the GS is premium quality for someone off-road passionate the boxer engine is a total deal-breaker tbh. The KTM gas tanks are already super big as they are and the boxer is just too much imo. Strictly for touring yes, you got all the motives to take the GS. Greetz from Brussels, had great fun watchin your videos!!🤟
You need to encourage your friend to buy one on this GS. It will make me look like a pro on KTM and can call police/fire/rescue when my KTM broken down :)
Fun stuff. Slap a set of 50/50 tires on that baby and try Enduro Pro mode.....supposedly it can't be activated until 600 miles...maybe BMW can do that for you....then I'd like to hear your thoughts compared to the KTM.....one last thing....in the dynamic modes you have control of wheelie suppression ....play with that
I am 5 ft 8 (similar to Smokey?). I have the KTM SD GT and love it. My gripe with the SD is for me the wind is bad at higher speeds. I had to put a big screen on. Other than that I love it, best bike I have ever owned. The GS looks a bit more refined, maybe worth doing a test drive? 🧐 I am ‘old’ now at 42, so probably makes sense 😅
If you love your GT you are gonna find the bmw GS pretty boring. The difference in engines is really big. If you want some more comfort but with a crazy engine in it you need the super adventure S or R. Those ate the Cadillacs 😁
Holy shit that was great! I was laughing from the beginning, and then the Biden phantom handshake 😂😂😂 Subscribed!! I never rode a KTM, but I do have this exact bike and I love it. And I’m not even Biden-old….
Great video! Keep making them! I’m going to be buying an adventure bike and trying to decide between 1290 sas or 1250 gs and it’s good to hear opinion on both from a KTM guy because I’m a KTM guy myself. I own a 690smcr at the moment and i love it! 😀
If you are a KTM guy you are gonna be amazed how comfy he 1250 GS is.... And the next day you are going to miss your KTM because the GS is kinda boring for a KTM guy 😁
Great review!! And exactly what I think about the bike. It is capable to do everything but master none. Depending on your riding profile it can make you go places. Also couldn’t convince myself to buy one yet, not the age I tell myself 😂😂😂 again, great review and love the humor 💪
How KTM stand for wind protection compared to GS? GS has big tank. And I like that. On KTM I can install bigger windshield. I was driving all year around, and my knees are cold now. So looking to protect them better on future bike :) Good videos Smokey! :) BR...
A Super Adventure R with the Super Adventure S screen on it is just as good when it comes to wind protection. The 2 boxer engine cilinders sticking out with heat up your shins and knee don't worry about that. The KTM will give you more crazy fun times 😁
The BMW still doesn't have a little compartment to fit your I-phone...🤣🤣🤣Love the fact that every time you get on the KTM you try to shut the little door on the compartment.
You can bet i'm really laughing at both of those compartments in my review video between the GS and KTM. I will keep doing it until KTM makes it bigger 😁
The only unique thing you made better is that the bike that’s said to be bigger (KTM super adventure 1290 and the GS1250) is actually big compared with your standard grown man size.
You buy a GS if you want to have the feeling you could conquer the World any time, and a KTM if you actually do it. Besides that, BMW has turned into a terrible company since Covid. My K1600 is since 10 weeks in the shop because they don’t have parts, or a clue what’s wrong with it…lucky I own a 890 Adv R :)
It's pretty simple to be honest. If you want a comfortable bike , good shifting , descent basic offroad but nothing special and kinda boring to ride you need the BMW. If you want comfort , good shifting with a crazy hardcore engine that keeps asking for more you need the 1290 SAS. If you plan on riding a lot on normal offroad trails and nothing to crazy the SAR is for you. I love my SAR , it's almost as fast as a Superduke R as i did some drag racing with my buddy. And it's really good offroad also. The Norden is by far the best controlable bike offroad , lower , weighs less and also pretty fast on road. But for me personally the Norden 901 does not have enough horsepower and torque when i wanna do some sporty riding.
@@LifeofSmokey thank you very much for taking time to answer! In fact I’ve had Superduke R 1290 SE, and I’ve loved this engine. And I have to confess: I am a KTM fanboy 😅 I came to the same conclusion has you did. I loved to try the GS, it’s an incredible bike but I have a problem with the Telelever. So it will be a KTM. I would like to take a SAR but for the moment I think I have more a SAS profile. I am not enough experienced for that kind of suspension and I think the electronic ones will do the job on the S. But I hope that, for my use, I won’t regret the 21’ front wheel.. Well I have a few months to decide S or R and maybe try it both. Thanks a lot for your videos! Change nothing!
@@LifeofSmokey thank you very much for taking time to answer! In fact I’ve had Superduke R 1290 SE, and I’ve loved this engine. And I have to confess: I am a KTM fanboy 😅 I came to the same conclusion has you did. I loved to try the GS, it’s an incredible bike but I have a problem with the Telelever. So it will be a KTM. I would like to take a SAR but for the moment I think I have more a SAS profile. I am not enough experienced for that kind of suspension and I think the electronic ones will do the job on the S. But I hope that, for my use, I won’t regret the 21’ front wheel.. Well I have a few months to decide S or R and maybe try it both. Thanks a lot for your videos! Change nothing!
Just traded in my BMW 1200 GSA in on a 2024 1250 GSA. I am lucky enough to also have a KTM 1290 SA. My thoughts: The BMW is like the cute shy catholic school girl that you take home to meet mom. The girl that wouldn't even think about kissing on the first date. Tye KTM is like the stripper girl you take to bike week with the guys.
KTM or BMW? That is the question 😎🤷♂️
LC8 all day, every day 🍊💪
I'm older than you and the GS looks super appealing but I am also a muscle car guy and love power and torque 😁 tough choice but adrenaline always wins out
I have had GS, and sorry, but never again. Or maybe when I will be 70… 🤔😅
Sorry, but KTM rules in all aspects 🤷♂️
Only HONDA
I bleed orange 🍊 and speak only pumpkin 🎃 KTM for life!!
You’re right about this motorcycle. It’s absolutely perfect to ride. KTM makes a very good bike, but other than the raw, scary power of the KTM 1290, hands down the BMW is the superior motorcycle. I don’t know why people need to refer to it as the old man's bike, it’s offensive. The fact of the matter is the BMW R1250GSA is a very expensive motorcycle (you get what you pay for) and the buying market is by and large older people who can afford it. I’m 66 and rip it up on my '21 GSA.
I test rode a 1290 a week ago and I haven’t been able to get it out of my head - what an absolute beast.
Did the same 3 weeks ago..bought one 2 weeks ago 😄
Ha that’s great! Congrats my friend!
I test rode the 890r and also can’t stop thinking about it
KTM for the win! I think that KTM feels more like a living beast than a bike!
Has more character and moooore poweeeer.
The GS is a good bike to take us more comfortably from point A to point B.
The SAR is a good motorcycle to take us with a little less comfort from point A to point B but with much more pleasure and with the necessary comfort to do the kms we want.
I have owned both and the 1290 is no less comfortable (all it really needs is a bigger screen and an aftermarket seat) but has a lot more off road capability.
For me the GS for sure!!!🙏🏼 but i would take the standart GS And not the adventure. Because of more sporty behaviour And les weight👌🏼
I never tried the SAS, but just love my GSA. Had the 1200 and then upgraded it to the 1250. I just adore how re-assuring it is to ride it fast in the twistied, flicking it from one side to another. Also I recognised that I rarely rev it to red line but use that immense amount off torque in between corners. It's just so much fun. Beats everything. I've seen KTM's sneak away in straight lines, but then in the corners they are just not sure-footed. I've had stronger bikes, but this beats them all.
I went to my local (150km away) BMW MOTORRAD Dealership in Wilmington North Carolina. Great sales person. Donald showed me a low suspension 1250GSA Triple Black. I thought I was too short after seeing this video, but since we are the same height, I could flat foot it with the setting in minimum and seat in low position. I am now playing the lottery so I can win it and buy one. I've bought a Royal Enfield Himalayan last year ( how I found your channel) and decided I need a better long distance motorcycle. I've looked at buying a Husqvarna Norden, but the dealership advertised a price of $12,499 and when he came back, it was $19,200. Yes, they were trying to take me to the cleaners. Some add on warranty ( only good at the dealership) $3000 in accessories with the paniers and slip on exhaust. Then it was this fee , and that fee. I walked out. They called me today wondering if I was still interested. I said, I will come down now if they want to sell it at the advertisement price. Love this video.
Before purchasing my KTM1290 SA/S in June, I did my research.
The BMW came in #3 out of 4 behind the 1290 SAR #1, the Ducati Multistrada #2 and the Harley Pan-am was #4.
I love my KTM and like you said, I love the "respect" and "thrill" that LC8 makes and just the raw power. I named mine Klaus. The Austrian War Horse.
That's interesting. For me the Panam comes before the GS, because I had much more fun on the Panam than the GS.
Actually you try to lift the bike on double stand the wrong way. There is a much easier way. Just grab the bike from the steering and the passengers foot peg (and specifically the metal bracket above, as close to the foot peg as you can) and then try to lift. It makes a world of difference. Just try it.
the old guy cane was a nice touch
Great review mate. Love the humour. Looking forward to catching up with your previous videos. Greetings from Oz mate.
I sold my 1290SAR after I road the 22 1250 GS also in Triple Black. No more chain slap that makes the bike sound like it’s falling apart.
All joking aside…both great bikes…but I enjoyed the GS more.
I totally get that , i love both bikes. I think that the BMW is that chill relaxed guy down the street who orders 1 beer at the bar and the KTM is his crazy cousin that comes in the bar yelling asking for tequila 🙂. Both are fun guys to hang out with but it depends on what mood you are haha.
@@LifeofSmokey
Yes sir I agree. I also bought a 990 adventure so I can be drinking that Tequila 🤪
@@LifeofSmokey I think the GS is more the quiet lunatic sitting in the back having a coffee, GS's seem to have absurd capability hiding under the polished finish.
@@dancarlin5434 agree 😁
Some analogies: 1) the gs is like the good wife , it cares for you , is there whenever you need her , but the sexytime is lights out and missionary. The ktm still cares for you , but with a temper and the aoocasional dishes flying around and you microwaving your own meals occasionally. But the sexytime is wild in all angles and all kinds off fluids flying around...
2) the gs is like drinking still water: you know it is healthy, and you can and should drink lots of it , but it is tatseless and even maybe a bit dull .
The ktm is your monster energy drinks , full of caffeine and other shit , you know its bad but you drink it anyway becease it gets you PUMPED
:P
I own a 2018 sas btw :p
That first one cracked me up 😂
Yeah. That sumps it up very well. 😂
Drinking water 🚱 🤣🤣🤣👍🏻
Brilliant analogy!
Great video, always entertaining. Look forward to your trip.
Respect to the best-selling motorcycle in the world.
Perfektní video i s humorem ....fakt super!!! Mám jen GS ...tak jsem se i nasmál...🙂👍👍
Today I took my SDGT for a short ride and When I started the engine, a message of a red warning came out on the screen:- “SUSPENSION”. But as everything else was looking pretty well, I went to the highway and took her the beans and the warning message disappeared immediately and it never came out again…
I love the bike but when I had the 1200GS and after the 1250 GS, neither of them gave me red light warnings. That’s the only thing That KTM makes me remember about the GS’s that I had🤙
Looking forward to see the next video of touring on the GS✌️✌️
Knappe review en montage smokey! my First GSA1250 Exclusive was stolen last year November at Brussels airport!! So now I bought the very last one ever made 1250GSA Rallye, will have it ready next week!! first trip starts 20 October, 7 days from Leuven Belgium to Mijas Spain. First stop Sancerre, 2th St Emillion, 3th Pamplona, 4th Ribera del Duero, 5th Avila, 6th Cordoba..Me happy
I am at Brussel Airport right now , some times I think of taking the motorcycle but I guess some get stolen here 😅🙈
Love the toolbox/work bench assembly.
I am 63 years old and I confirm that it is an old man bike. I love it.
Brilliant production, as always.
Thx mabs 😁👌
It wasn't a bike review but more , like a movie 🎬 . Now you deserve another subscriber well done 👏 ✔️ 👍.
Thx a lot Ali! 😁👌
What about the new Tiger1200?
Maybe i will try it out , why not 😎👌
@@LifeofSmokey 😎👍
When putting the center stand down, pull the back of the bike up as you stand in the stand. I'm 5 " and 80kg and it's soooo easy.
Love my KTM1290SAS, had a GS and it was great. KTM is like the naughty school boy, just so much more fun
Great video and what a character you are! 🤣 I totally agree with you Smokey, after test riding both motorcycles I had no doubt in going for the 1290 Super Adv R which gave me pure adrenalin excitement! 🚀
Have to agree on that! And thx for the positive feedback. Appreciate that , makes me wanna make more videos 😁👌
You said it.. BMW.. conservative.. wide and no way near as fun to ride as a 1290 SAR.. love my 2022 KTM SAR.. ridden KTM for 15 years and they are better than ever!!
Sehr schöne Werkbank. Von welchem Hersteller ist das Regal system?
Kraftmeister :-) I believe it's German!
I have a 2018 1200 gsa at home in Canada, and just finished renting exactly that 1250 bike you reviewed for 3 weeks in Germany , Austria, France, Switzerland, Italy and CZ Republic. July 1-22 4500km. . I am 197cm tall, and the windscreen is not tall enough for me but that is changeable. I can get it up on its center stand with both paniers and the top box loaded to bursting, its not "easy" but it goes up the first time, are you sure you didn't have it in gear? In Canada I have Heidenau gravel road tires because it gets lots of gravel roads. the riding modes for the bike are magnificent, the enduro mode is perfect for gravel roads even with such a heavy bike. In regards to this vs a KTM, even in Austria this is the bike you see..... likely 10 to 1 over big KTMs.
I'm just a very weak person and only 176cm and like 75kg. So me standing on that center stand didn't even make it move bit 😁👌. But i do understand why so many BMW's have been sold.
Both bikes are amazing and are the top two. KTM is a better all rounder, more fun, and better off road with the 21 inch front wheel.
I’ve owned both and I love my KTM 1290.
@Yo Ken mentioned you on his channel and I'm sure glad he did! You are hilarious and I, am now a subscriber!!!
Gotta check out that video lol 😂👌
This is an old debate, I'm not getting into that, it's more like a subjective issue. You made a very creative video and some great pointing out factors with a nice touch of humor.... You're smokin like the 1250 & 1290, Smokey pal...! Keep it up. ;-)
I had the GSA before and now KTM 1290 SAR, way more fun on the KTM. Regarding reliability, I had my issues with BMW as well
I like it if you don't look at price. I bought one put like 7k on it the first month. I have had many ktms and still have them. Gravel touring you can't beat the GS for comfort.
I’ve had both. Keep the KTM! 😎💪💪
Good review I absolutely love your garage what size is it
It's like 150 square meter. 20m by 7m or so 😊
Love yer stuff mate..a new subscriber.👍🏻
Thx Ben! Welcome to the club 😁👌
Center stand BMW: i think it is difficult to put it on the stand because the center of gravity on the GS is lower. Pre owned a KTM 1290 SuperAdventure T, the one in white with the 30 liter tank, and it was indeed easier to put on the center stand. Now i have the 1250 GS HP but have managed to find my way of putting it on the center stand. Loved my KTM but quality of build on the GS is better. IF only KTM would have done some things different and by that I mean the choice in material(s), the GS would have a more serious competitor.
Would you buy the GS over the SAR?
Nope not in the first 10 years 😊
I look forward to your videos Smokey. Keep them coming 👍
CONFORT is everything
it's true, I would also like a little more power in my GS, otherwise I have everything I need on it
30 more aggressive horses on steroids and it would be close to perfect 😁👌
Don't forget to activate the "pro-modus" with the optional plug to get "Dynamic PRO" and "Enduro PRO" (plug is under the seat normally). The sound of the engine even gets better with a SC Project muffler of Akra. Keep your righthand lower to pull the bike on the stand. Nice review! 👍
I have been reading something about pro mode and the seat today. Gotta check that out 😁
I have a 2021 GSA 1250.....the pro modes don't require a dongle/plug anymore.....it's built into the firmware.....supposedly it can't be activated until the first 600mile service...
Don’t need the plug anymore
Hi there, pls do a review for the BMW F 850 GSA. Your style of review is spot on and with humer its appropriate info.
I've had two GSA's 1200 - Air Cooled & Water Cooled. I sold my water cooled one to pay for a near new Superduke GT. I like the GT and the KTM orange but I would not hesitate goin back to the BMW GSA. I found it more comfortable, its more upright. However, despite my strong dislike of KTM as a company because of their mean out of warranty attitudes and their no so dependable electronics, I'm still hanging onto my KTM because its fun to ride and not so many own them. Seems every biker and his dog has a GSA these days and the price of them!!!!.
Yeah on the highway it's 10 GS vs 1 KTM these days. In the woods it's the other way around 😁
Great review again Smokey, really like your jokes. You are funny man, seriously. BTW I do ride a BMW R9T so I am a true believer in a boxer twin, however I am selling my roadster because the Norden 901 just peaks my interest. So I will buy it as soon as I sell my 9T. So not sure which is better any more, let's just say, they are both great bikes the 1290 and 1250 GS.
Absolutely superb, smoke you honestly crack me up. Some freaking funny stuff there 🤣 😂👍👌
If it has to be big adventure, then BMW hands down for all the reasons. I use to have a 2016 GSA. But if you want it funnier, more speed is not the way; the dirty 300EXC is the way! 🙂 I use to have one of these too, plus a 450F and a 690R. Sold them all for a 890 thinking is the best compromise, but neeaah.. 99% of what I can do with this medium cow I could have done with the big cow, plus ride to the Moon and back in style. Bigger tank, no chain worries, wind protection, much comfier, oozing quality in the smallest detail, perfection. If you can't afford 2, then GSA, always! But if you can and you are dirt oriented, have a 2strokes chainsaw like the 250EXC, will change your life. The big KTM is neither donkey nor horse. Oh, I use to have a 990Adv too. Powerful, fast, big, useless :-)
Totally understand that 😁👌
I am not ktm ether but I just saw new bmw gs recall from since 2013 until now. Many accidents caused by schaf drive. Be safe don't risk your life just it's bmw
Schaf drive? You mean the drive shaft?
@@LifeofSmokey who care you understand my English that's enough. I am not native English speakers
@@trysmthing4951 i'm also not a native speaker. What was wrong with the drive shaft is what i was wondering?
Smokey you out of control man 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣 😂
Going to try the Triumph Tiger 1200 out some time Smokey?
Maybe one day yeah...still figuring out what the hell i'm gonna do with this channel in the future 😂🙈
that ragdoll intro made almost spit out water
I know your normally review adventure bikes, but if opportunity comes would u consider reviewing the 1200rt ? Again great work smokey 👏 👍
Thx bud! Will see not sure what i'm gonna do in the future 😅🤷♂️
On the note of wheelies, I can stand my 2022 KTM 1290 SAR up on the back wheel at 110km/h in 4th gear without using the clutch 👌
Just stand up and give it a little bounce as you power on 😁👌
I've also got a 2021 KTM 500 EXC-F with a full motard setup. Both the 500 and the 1290 are absolutely amazing, but since getting the 1290 I haven't touched my 500 😅
I have a 350 Husqvarna FE for single tracks and hillclimb stuff....but using my 1290 SAR now for no reason 😅🙈
KTM for sure, the SAR 22 is amazing bike, I believe that SAR don't have nothing to envy a BMW GSA, is comfortable in all terrain, is less heavy and tall for me with 1.71 mt and if you consider several extras in KTM it is still cheaper than BMW.
Smokey I'm 60, and am far to young for a BMW, I love my superduke in sport mode
It really depends on how often, how far and what sort of roads you ride in. Currently I ride daily about 95km to/from work. I go on rides that can cover 2800km in 2 days. The GS would do that although my 1400GTR has the ability to give a scary feeling when you open the throttle. The GS doesn't.
The KTM will give more smiles than than longevity of your rear tyre. It also has the potential to get your licence taken away from you very quickly. So many things to like although on single trail they do feel big.
The GS ringing for help would be a feature that would be modified (deleted) quickly if I owned it.
I think you set the standard high with the Norden 901 and I'm thinking these bikes don't quite make it to that level.
The Norden doesn't give enough fun when going on the highway or when i'm having fun in the harbour or bigger streets like that. I need at least 150hp or so i think 😅
@@LifeofSmokey that's why KTM built the 1290SAS. For all-round rideablity, smooth highways and 150+ HP of fun.
The GS is a good bike to take us more comfortably
Hi Smokey, I absolutely love the GS and is perfect for 1000+kms a day. I would definetly take it on round the world, however it lacks in spirit and excitement when I compare it to my 1290. That just rocks! I love both bikes, but if I have to keep one, its the 1290. My wife has an Africa twin, and she likes the BMW because its smooth but doesnt feel as capable in the really knarly stuff as the AT or the 1290 as its just too much of a lump...
For everyday use or Touring the BMW is amazing, for trackdays or driving like a Madman (or like you i suppose :) ) the KTM is more fun... Had a 1290 SAS and changed it to my GS1250 and keeping that.... Even though i always look for a replacement but still have'nt found one..
Nearly bought a GS last week. I'm travelling about 1000kms per week at moment and thought must have a GS. Then I got on my SD GT. The GS is a good bike, does everything well but there is no excitement, no soul. I Don't think its an age thing, I'm 68 but I need the buzz, the little bit of fear keeps me going. Plus, why Don't GS riders nod or wave back?
I wave even at scooters and ebikes! 🤣
My GS has excitement and soul. Not sure what GS you're talking about? I'll wave but you gotta wave first.
No excitement ? Did you put it in dynamic mode and crack the throttle? I giggle like a little kid when I open that boxer up. I love the torque of my GS. For me the refinement is its soul albeit it’s not exciting as a hooligan KTM but I still appreciate it. Sometimes it takes being in the saddle 12 hrs in a day and then hopping off relatively fresh to appreciate this. Few bikes pull that off in my book.
Keep the KTM, its the one that makes you smile every time. One day, you will become old, and then, you may want to consider BMW. ;-)
Love the Creepy Joe commentary!
If it lacks that excitement factor?? Test riding the Rally Pro, and the GS, in the next few days, with the view of buying. Let you know the outcome.
Try the Pan American Harley Davidson adventure bike
I think i have a review of it somewhere on the channel. I was one of the first in the country that took one for a spin :-). It's good but nothing to compare with the KTM :-)
Gold Standard
Informative and entertaining. Great production! Just long enough to let me finish my business on the toilet, but not so long that my legs fall asleep 👍
My legs fall asleep after 20min on the toilet. It helps sitting up straight and not having your elbows on your knees 🙈
Clearly the GS is more road oriented than KTM in general. 1290 from KTM it's a beast but less polished than the GS. Probably best of both worlds would be a Honda Africa Twin. Even if the GS is premium quality for someone off-road passionate the boxer engine is a total deal-breaker tbh. The KTM gas tanks are already super big as they are and the boxer is just too much imo. Strictly for touring yes, you got all the motives to take the GS. Greetz from Brussels, had great fun watchin your videos!!🤟
Thx m8! Just got back doing some mountainbike single tracks. Almost smashed those boxer engines into some trees 😂🙈
You need to encourage your friend to buy one on this GS. It will make me look like a pro on KTM and can call police/fire/rescue when my KTM broken down :)
C beau ce que vous faites mais je ne comprends pas .s'il voulait faite une traduction en français merci
Fun stuff. Slap a set of 50/50 tires on that baby and try Enduro Pro mode.....supposedly it can't be activated until 600 miles...maybe BMW can do that for you....then I'd like to hear your thoughts compared to the KTM.....one last thing....in the dynamic modes you have control of wheelie suppression ....play with that
I must say the lower point of gravity is darn crazy on this thing , i can make really easy and short u turns 😁👌
KTM SAR or BMW GSA or Ducati Multistrada V4S??
I am 5 ft 8 (similar to Smokey?). I have the KTM SD GT and love it. My gripe with the SD is for me the wind is bad at higher speeds. I had to put a big screen on. Other than that I love it, best bike I have ever owned. The GS looks a bit more refined, maybe worth doing a test drive? 🧐 I am ‘old’ now at 42, so probably makes sense 😅
If you love your GT you are gonna find the bmw GS pretty boring. The difference in engines is really big. If you want some more comfort but with a crazy engine in it you need the super adventure S or R. Those ate the Cadillacs 😁
@@LifeofSmokey dammit, how am I going to explain this to my wife when I have to test drive another one! 😅😂
@@Benboy1980 just say it might brake down because of known issues. Another bike might extra money at first but might save some later on 😂
Holy shit that was great! I was laughing from the beginning, and then the Biden phantom handshake 😂😂😂 Subscribed!! I never rode a KTM, but I do have this exact bike and I love it. And I’m not even Biden-old….
Hello police, fire brigade, weed control (=onkruid verdelger 🙃), veterinary clinic, swimming pool rescuer 😂 Very handy such a telephone button 👌👍😁
I am glad that I got the KTM 1290 sas 21 :) the Biden thing made me crack :))))))
Great video! Keep making them! I’m going to be buying an adventure bike and trying to decide between 1290 sas or 1250 gs and it’s good to hear opinion on both from a KTM guy because I’m a KTM guy myself. I own a 690smcr at the moment and i love it! 😀
If you are a KTM guy you are gonna be amazed how comfy he 1250 GS is....
And the next day you are going to miss your KTM because the GS is kinda boring for a KTM guy 😁
@@LifeofSmokey Haha that’s what I’m scared of, i need the aggression of the KTM 😀 i wish I could have all of them and not pick just one haha 😀
@@theautopage the GS would be perfect for a long ride when i have a hangover but have to ride far 😂
@@LifeofSmokey Exactly 🤣
Only KTM the KING of motorcycles!!!
🤩🤩🤩🤩🥳🥳🥳🥳😎😎😎
Till it breaks down. Then it gets decapitated in a revolution by the peasants😂
Great review!! And exactly what I think about the bike. It is capable to do everything but master none. Depending on your riding profile it can make you go places. Also couldn’t convince myself to buy one yet, not the age I tell myself 😂😂😂 again, great review and love the humor 💪
How KTM stand for wind protection compared to GS? GS has big tank. And I like that. On KTM I can install bigger windshield. I was driving all year around, and my knees are cold now. So looking to protect them better on future bike :) Good videos Smokey! :) BR...
A Super Adventure R with the Super Adventure S screen on it is just as good when it comes to wind protection.
The 2 boxer engine cilinders sticking out with heat up your shins and knee don't worry about that. The KTM will give you more crazy fun times 😁
I came for the bike. Stayed for the jokes
Thanks for video video from Russia. I am just looking to buy GS, but I am not sure. I am ktm guy.
The BMW still doesn't have a little compartment to fit your I-phone...🤣🤣🤣Love the fact that every time you get on the KTM you try to shut the little door on the compartment.
You can bet i'm really laughing at both of those compartments in my review video between the GS and KTM. I will keep doing it until KTM makes it bigger 😁
RT is for elderly riders. GS is swiss Army knife of motorcycles
The only unique thing you made better is that the bike that’s said to be bigger (KTM super adventure 1290 and the GS1250) is actually big compared with your standard grown man size.
Try a Honda Africa Twin... DCT... Its a great off road bike...
You buy a GS if you want to have the feeling you could conquer the World any time, and a KTM if you actually do it. Besides that, BMW has turned into a terrible company since Covid. My K1600 is since 10 weeks in the shop because they don’t have parts, or a clue what’s wrong with it…lucky I own a 890 Adv R :)
That first sentence 😁👌.
Horrible! I can‘t make my choice between 1250 GSA, 1290 SA S, 1290 SA R and the incredible Norden 901 😭
It's pretty simple to be honest. If you want a comfortable bike , good shifting , descent basic offroad but nothing special and kinda boring to ride you need the BMW. If you want comfort , good shifting with a crazy hardcore engine that keeps asking for more you need the 1290 SAS. If you plan on riding a lot on normal offroad trails and nothing to crazy the SAR is for you. I love my SAR , it's almost as fast as a Superduke R as i did some drag racing with my buddy. And it's really good offroad also. The Norden is by far the best controlable bike offroad , lower , weighs less and also pretty fast on road. But for me personally the Norden 901 does not have enough horsepower and torque when i wanna do some sporty riding.
@@LifeofSmokey thank you very much for taking time to answer! In fact I’ve had Superduke R 1290 SE, and I’ve loved this engine. And I have to confess: I am a KTM fanboy 😅
I came to the same conclusion has you did. I loved to try the GS, it’s an incredible bike but I have a problem with the Telelever.
So it will be a KTM. I would like to take a SAR but for the moment I think I have more a SAS profile. I am not enough experienced for that kind of suspension and I think the electronic ones will do the job on the S.
But I hope that, for my use, I won’t regret the 21’ front wheel..
Well I have a few months to decide S or R and maybe try it both.
Thanks a lot for your videos! Change nothing!
@@LifeofSmokey thank you very much for taking time to answer! In fact I’ve had Superduke R 1290 SE, and I’ve loved this engine. And I have to confess: I am a KTM fanboy 😅
I came to the same conclusion has you did. I loved to try the GS, it’s an incredible bike but I have a problem with the Telelever.
So it will be a KTM. I would like to take a SAR but for the moment I think I have more a SAS profile. I am not enough experienced for that kind of suspension and I think the electronic ones will do the job on the S.
But I hope that, for my use, I won’t regret the 21’ front wheel..
Well I have a few months to decide S or R and maybe try it both.
Thanks a lot for your videos! Change nothing!
@@LifeofSmokey in fact I would like to buy a SAR but I am not sure that I will be able to manage the settings of the suspension 😒
When my ball hair turns grey i will buy a grey BMW riding suit and see if i can wrangle it.
KTM 🔥😏
Gs easier to maintain . Better mpg . Maybe more reliable?
I modified mine with an angle grinder and got about 70 pounds off it. Better.
TOY(ktm) and TOOL(bmw)
Just traded in my BMW 1200 GSA in on a 2024 1250 GSA. I am lucky enough to also have a KTM 1290 SA.
My thoughts:
The BMW is like the cute shy catholic school girl that you take home to meet mom. The girl that wouldn't even think about kissing on the first date.
Tye KTM is like the stripper girl you take to bike week with the guys.
If you think thats bad for putting on a centre stand try the 1600 gtl
Why is the Joe Biden joke not the number 1 comment here???? Love it when other countries can see the obvious! 😅😅
3:50 that's a rallye not a trophy :)
My bad sorry :-)
Your garage is bigger than most British homes 🤣
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It's a great bike smokey but it ain't a 1290 beast
Try Honda Africa. ☺️
Me too, I would like to see some day a comparative to the SAR with Africa Twin